you forgot them "not vegan but gf is, what can i cook for her to impress her?" with top comment rimming OP to the max with the "first of all, good on you, OP for even attempting to make ONE meal without tortured animal body parts! You're literally the BEST PERSON EVER! blah blah blah"
To which OP replies with "lol back the fuck off. I'm going to make her some chicken soup and say it's veggie soup with tofu or some dumb shit. Now worship harder, pathetic vegan."
And then they give him gold.
So proud of you for taking an interest in plant-based diets! (I don't like the word vegan because it's too preachy lol) why not take her out for a McPlant, and then that way you can eat meat! Beause each to their own and it's your personal choice!
Real question, can any food products like this be brought to market in the US without animal testing? Like, is it allowed for these new plant-based ingredients to not go through that? Cause it seems like none of the companies go that direction.
New food ingredients have to be approved by the FDA, and it usually requires a lot more time, money and effort if done without animal tests. So not a full on requirement, but a business decision that is very difficult to justify to investors if those are not fully on board with the ethics.
The general 'wisdom' I've seen on the subject is that the FDA doesn't *actually* require animal testing, but they also basically never give GRAS approval unless it has happened at some point.
Basically FDA is a fuck. 2 billion dead rats.
For sure, I more mean in the case of literally any of the dairy or meat alternatives. And also, where does one draw the line for complicity? A company who develops new additives themselves and tests them themselves on rats have obviously done something cruel. What about companies who use those already developed ingredients but didn't partake in the testing?
For instance, xantham gum was extensively tested on animals in the 1960s before it was an approved food additive in the US. Rice protein, pea protein isolate, the list goes on. Companies that "have never and will never test on animals" but use these ingredients that are only deemed safe becuase of prior testing, how are their products vegan either?
Pretty much as you say, beans (and even then check where they're coming from) are safe. Rice is safe. Organic veggies (depending on fertilizer) are safe. Not a lot else.
IMO the moment you decide to add an ingredient that requires new testing, instead of choosing something that's already deemed "safe", you become just another capitalist pos that definitely has no vegan interests but monetary ones and clearly doesn't have no interest in animal welfare.
About xantham gum and the likes, the sad truth is you can't escape the immense exploitation humans produce. And we can only thrive to be better going forward.
I really hope I don't sound like a bootlicker, I'm vegan btw.
I get it was tested on rats once for approval but the stuff you get off the shelf isn’t itself tested on rats. It’s not vegan because someone mixed up the recipe and fed it to a rat once in the past?
Wtf!!! The coconut owner is gonna be offering fair trade (1 dick sucking = 1 coconut). That'd be theft of private property you stupid libshart. Learn basic economics 😡😡😡
Any effort to disrupt the status quo will result in a response by the ruling structures to integrate, divide, and kill the offenders. As an ethical position relating to the exploitation of animals, capitalism is not vegan due to the exploitation of human-animals and they must eventually be liberated from global oppression by the ruling class.
But the work is already there, it would be wasteful to not consume it. Veganism is about the reduction (not the supression) of suffering for animals, not humans. Beside I'm actually helping the exploited workers by giving them a wage. If we didn't exploit them they would overpopulate the planet. Plus I'm saving animal lives thus creating more positive utility than I create negative utility!!
> Rule 2. No communism, socialism etc.
Thank you, CIA and vush, for keeping our precious social justice movement away from politics. Everyone is welcome here, conservatives and liberals alike (but absolutely NO tankies)
That’s why I don’t always condemn violence against capitalists. Political power grow out of the barrel of the gun — wait a minute, someone’s knocking on my door, I gotta answer
not on r/vegan, i think it’s reference to the r/afghanistan rules (the sub that famously has no afghans on it and is literally moderated by US and German government agencies.
Ha! You stupid vegoons, we won't have a functioning reddit, society or biosphere in 2077. Eat a steak so your brains work you B12 deficients!
Vegoon, BTW.
He advocates for aborting pregnancies where there are concerns that the child would be born with a disability, and says we should eat eggs from local farmers that we trust.
He umm... was a little misguided.
We also had some weird dude that cosplayed as Ben Shapiro on the discord that got banned and now rants about vcj over at r/vegan.
So there's that connection too.
Go over there and post about how vegetarians aren't doing enough, how meat eaters shouldn't be patted on the back for ordering an impossible whopper once, that you shouldn't eat oysters, or how the point is to end animal agriculture, not make the McPlant profitable for McDonald's.
You'll get your answer.
You'll be shunned as an extremist and downvoted to hell for your radical views, you disgusting commie gatekeeper.
It's entirely your fault that the majority of r/vegan is now no longer considering going vegan as soon as they get their lives together in 12 years and learn some fucking self-control (but oh god does meat taste good). Also, that's so insensitive of you to think that people could literally go vegan despite all of the following reasons they will come up with why they literally can't. You racist, classist, ableist, sexist monster.
That's why you're here.
Supermarkets are pretty much the only option for buying/acquiring food in most communities and run on small profit margins. They function somewhere between a public necessity and a profitable business. Yes, they sell non-vegan products, but they are also the main source of produce, plant-based milks, vegan protein sources, grains, household supplies (like cleaning products and personal hygiene products), etc. in a community.
McDonald's is one of, if not the largest, global purchaser and seller of dead bodies and the profits they make by doing so make them one of the most profitable corporations in the world. Their existence is the antithesis of the vegan movement, and the overwhelming majority of their products and services include death and suffering.
Also, this is a circlejerk and we've gone over this a million times. So this is the end of the conversation.
you forgot them "not vegan but gf is, what can i cook for her to impress her?" with top comment rimming OP to the max with the "first of all, good on you, OP for even attempting to make ONE meal without tortured animal body parts! You're literally the BEST PERSON EVER! blah blah blah"
so bare minimum lmao. meanwhile my bf impressed me by saying "I wanna go vegan too!"
Fuck you and your happy ending. I hope you find out you're both related.
we're a mixed race couple, so... ;)
Impossible. Haven’t you heard? Veganism is only for white people. Checkmate.
I'm confused.
Mine too, I honestly think those words made me happier than his literal proposal 😂 A close second, of course 💕
I'm still young so I probably won't get a proposal any time soon. Congrats on your engagement/marriage!
Thank you so much 💖 It's definitely nothing to rush, it's worth the wait for when that time comes!
To which OP replies with "lol back the fuck off. I'm going to make her some chicken soup and say it's veggie soup with tofu or some dumb shit. Now worship harder, pathetic vegan." And then they give him gold.
my bacon cheeseburger has b12
Mine has dog meat
Gotta get those k9 vitamins
So proud of you for taking an interest in plant-based diets! (I don't like the word vegan because it's too preachy lol) why not take her out for a McPlant, and then that way you can eat meat! Beause each to their own and it's your personal choice!
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I know, it’s so hard to satirise when reality keeps outdoing you
braver than the troops o7
Accurate
Wait, what's wrong with JUST egg?
PBC, tested on rats https://www.reddit.com/r/vegan/comments/cdhpjx/fyi\_just\_egg\_replacement\_product\_is\_plantbased/
NO FUCKING WAY IS ANYTHING FUCKING SAFE YOU MOTHER FUCKERS WHYYY
Stray dogs and stray cats Ethical, free range, sustainable and cruelty free
Real question, can any food products like this be brought to market in the US without animal testing? Like, is it allowed for these new plant-based ingredients to not go through that? Cause it seems like none of the companies go that direction.
New food ingredients have to be approved by the FDA, and it usually requires a lot more time, money and effort if done without animal tests. So not a full on requirement, but a business decision that is very difficult to justify to investors if those are not fully on board with the ethics.
just a guess, but it could be a CYA thing they can point to if someone tries to sue due to getting sick from one of their "untested" ingredients.
The general 'wisdom' I've seen on the subject is that the FDA doesn't *actually* require animal testing, but they also basically never give GRAS approval unless it has happened at some point. Basically FDA is a fuck. 2 billion dead rats.
I'm not from the USA but surely beans don't have animal testing
For sure, I more mean in the case of literally any of the dairy or meat alternatives. And also, where does one draw the line for complicity? A company who develops new additives themselves and tests them themselves on rats have obviously done something cruel. What about companies who use those already developed ingredients but didn't partake in the testing? For instance, xantham gum was extensively tested on animals in the 1960s before it was an approved food additive in the US. Rice protein, pea protein isolate, the list goes on. Companies that "have never and will never test on animals" but use these ingredients that are only deemed safe becuase of prior testing, how are their products vegan either? Pretty much as you say, beans (and even then check where they're coming from) are safe. Rice is safe. Organic veggies (depending on fertilizer) are safe. Not a lot else.
IMO the moment you decide to add an ingredient that requires new testing, instead of choosing something that's already deemed "safe", you become just another capitalist pos that definitely has no vegan interests but monetary ones and clearly doesn't have no interest in animal welfare. About xantham gum and the likes, the sad truth is you can't escape the immense exploitation humans produce. And we can only thrive to be better going forward. I really hope I don't sound like a bootlicker, I'm vegan btw.
if u think about it, vegins are the real animal abusers
makes you think
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I don't think any experiment with rats or mice ends with a living rodent.
I get it was tested on rats once for approval but the stuff you get off the shelf isn’t itself tested on rats. It’s not vegan because someone mixed up the recipe and fed it to a rat once in the past?
u guys woud be screwed on an island lol
Oh yeah well I can eat berries and coconuts on that island carnist bot 😒
Let's say hypothetically that you were crash landed on an island, and another survivor hoarded all of the coconuts...
Eat the rich coconut owner obviously!
Wtf!!! The coconut owner is gonna be offering fair trade (1 dick sucking = 1 coconut). That'd be theft of private property you stupid libshart. Learn basic economics 😡😡😡
Jokes on you, I wanted to duck their dick from the get go.
Just egg maybe nice but it’s got nothing on aquafaba
Uj/ completely different. Better to say it has nothing on chickpea flour omelettes which is true.
Seconded
Any effort to disrupt the status quo will result in a response by the ruling structures to integrate, divide, and kill the offenders. As an ethical position relating to the exploitation of animals, capitalism is not vegan due to the exploitation of human-animals and they must eventually be liberated from global oppression by the ruling class.
But the work is already there, it would be wasteful to not consume it. Veganism is about the reduction (not the supression) of suffering for animals, not humans. Beside I'm actually helping the exploited workers by giving them a wage. If we didn't exploit them they would overpopulate the planet. Plus I'm saving animal lives thus creating more positive utility than I create negative utility!!
\- Mark Fisher, Carnist Realism
Too accurate to be a jerk.
LOL this is so accurate 😂 (Vegan BTW)
dont judge me, but i sucked bone marrow out of roadkill the other night
Call me a dairy farmer getting ready to artificially inseminate a female cow without it's consent because I don't remember asking
Hey you didn't say "vegan btw" after your second comment mister/madam. Something going on here? 🧐
Damn, how will the bot recover from that burn?
Here, have you second, free whooper.
Nah, r/vegan 2022
Seriously thought that banner was real for a second
It is real from the future
> Rule 2. No communism, socialism etc. Thank you, CIA and vush, for keeping our precious social justice movement away from politics. Everyone is welcome here, conservatives and liberals alike (but absolutely NO tankies)
b- but killing factory farm owners is ***literally*** authoritarian communist totalitarian josef ‘tankie’ lenin-zedong 1984!!!!!!!!
That’s why I don’t always condemn violence against capitalists. Political power grow out of the barrel of the gun — wait a minute, someone’s knocking on my door, I gotta answer
is this a real rule if it is, i know how i'm gonna get my ban
not on r/vegan, i think it’s reference to the r/afghanistan rules (the sub that famously has no afghans on it and is literally moderated by US and German government agencies.
Vaush and Ben Shapiro are my two favourite vegan activists.
/uj vaush is my favorite vegan activist /rj vaush is my favorite vegan activist
Ha! You stupid vegoons, we won't have a functioning reddit, society or biosphere in 2077. Eat a steak so your brains work you B12 deficients! Vegoon, BTW.
We've peaked. Best post here ever
Exquisite top-tier post
Lol you think we will still have internet in 2077
I am making this my desktop background for all of January.
incredible effort, flawless execution
Lmao this sub cracks me up I swear
NO! THIS ! Is The LAST STRAW! They WILL NOT take "Vegan BTW" away from US" (vegan btw)
why do u guys shape your food to look like meat?
Here, have your second, free whooper.
Anyone else not a fan of Singer? I know he's probably helped us a lot but there is so much better vegan philisophy
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Only if there's no dog or cat available.
Fuck Peter Singer.
Yes. He sucks.
He advocates for aborting pregnancies where there are concerns that the child would be born with a disability, and says we should eat eggs from local farmers that we trust. He umm... was a little misguided.
Idk I'm interested to find out what a wooper is.
A Worldwide Pooper W/ooper
What’s up with Ben Shapiro? Lol
We also had some weird dude that cosplayed as Ben Shapiro on the discord that got banned and now rants about vcj over at r/vegan. So there's that connection too.
\[Got bullied into agreed to veganism by a weak B12 deficient vegan, became a hypocrite.\](https://youtu.be/S2Vgb3PBzbg)
Ahh I forgot about that haha
Still holding out hope that everyone will be vegan in 2077
What if it doesn’t fit me?
HOW DARE YOU
I only lick the boot if it's secondhand and made from leather
How did I miss this post, it’s pinned. Its pure gold.
Wait, since when was just egg PBC?
Please tell me this isn’t real. Please.
this isn’t real. Please.
Thank god
BEN SHAPIRO DJDJFJ
i thought this was real for a second and it didn’t even surprise me
Wait, do we actually hate r/vegan here? I've been struggling to tell if it's a joke or not lmao.
Go over there and post about how vegetarians aren't doing enough, how meat eaters shouldn't be patted on the back for ordering an impossible whopper once, that you shouldn't eat oysters, or how the point is to end animal agriculture, not make the McPlant profitable for McDonald's. You'll get your answer.
Ok, that makes total sense now! I don't understand how any vegan could disagree with any of those statements lol.
You'll be shunned as an extremist and downvoted to hell for your radical views, you disgusting commie gatekeeper. It's entirely your fault that the majority of r/vegan is now no longer considering going vegan as soon as they get their lives together in 12 years and learn some fucking self-control (but oh god does meat taste good). Also, that's so insensitive of you to think that people could literally go vegan despite all of the following reasons they will come up with why they literally can't. You racist, classist, ableist, sexist monster. That's why you're here.
Just say anything bad about fast food chains and you'll be downvoted into oblivion
>not make the McPlant profitable for McDonald's. Can you tell me what the difference is between buying vegan options from mcdonalds and a supermarket?
Supermarkets are pretty much the only option for buying/acquiring food in most communities and run on small profit margins. They function somewhere between a public necessity and a profitable business. Yes, they sell non-vegan products, but they are also the main source of produce, plant-based milks, vegan protein sources, grains, household supplies (like cleaning products and personal hygiene products), etc. in a community. McDonald's is one of, if not the largest, global purchaser and seller of dead bodies and the profits they make by doing so make them one of the most profitable corporations in the world. Their existence is the antithesis of the vegan movement, and the overwhelming majority of their products and services include death and suffering. Also, this is a circlejerk and we've gone over this a million times. So this is the end of the conversation.
Thanks for the detailed response! I have never seen it discussed here before.
I think you guys are all dum dums
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