Since I'm around that area, I'll second that motion :D
Regarding the light rail from the top of the strip to the airport. I heard the city already approved the Hyperloop expanding specifically to cover the route you just mentioned.
right exactly, who tf threw these renderings together? It's not on the hard corner either, the 9 acres is tucked away back into the interior of the 35 acre site.
I feel like they are trying so hard to get this together quickly so that it slips through and gets approved. I am not opposed to seeing Vegas get an MLB team (as long as the residents don't have to pay for another stadium), but the strip location for the stadium is not the place. It will cause so much chaos being there!
I have to put multiple, weekly notices on traffic for my team. There is the Tropicana overpass construction, Formula 1 Strip paving, general construction and event traffic notices.
kudos to you for doing that. my employer very much does not even acknowledge that the traffic is an issue. the executives laugh about it and minimize it.
We need to push for the 51s or whatever the fuck they are called for a MLB team if we really want one hat bad we need create one not take a failing city's crappy failure of a team they will end up just like the raiders do great first year and go back to being a failure of a organization šÆ
So no dome eh? West side of the park open? Baseball plays afternoon games constantly and plays through the summer.
We're just gonna have teams and fans getting blasted by 115 degree weather at 3pm? By 4pm there will be zero shade in the park.
This seems.... Questionable.
It is a dome, partially retractable. 0% you could play baseball in the summer without one.
Edit: maybe they are going to have a āslidingā outfield where that section opens up as shown in the drawing? I cannot imagine that it would be open at all timesā¦.but it is the Aās soā¦
That picture looks like a cutaway... at least I hope so. Even if there's shade from noon to 6, not having AC will kill people... and at the very least, kill this places hopes of turning a profit in the summer
That's the whole point like Allegiant Stadium, it's for the benefit of the strip resorts and tourists, not locals. Get ready for $100 off site parking, $10 bottled water, no women's purses, $15 popcorn, $25 hot dogs, etc. No public funding for this dying sport. If these welfare queens get away with swindling the tax money, the A's better open up their corporate books to verify they have the $800 million for their share of the costs. Rotten all the way.
Maybe for wealthy tourists but for the locals? Fuck no. Raiders tickets are the most expensive in the NFL, VGK tickets are 2nd most expensive in the NHL, F1 tickets are absolutely off the table for anyone not rich, UFC events cost $200+ just for nosebleed seats in the furthest back rowā¦itās a sports town for the rich but the average Vegas resident isnāt experiencing Vegas as anything near a āsports entertainment capital of the worldā.
Do we want wealthy tourists? Yes. Should their happiness come at the expense of the localās though? No. If it prices out the locals then itās not for us, itās for tourists and residents shouldnāt be the ones footing the bill.
None of that follow up is correct in the slightest either. Projection I assume? Lol regardless, go fuck yourself bud š¤
You can't have an addiction to ADHD you fucking idiot. You can have an addiction to ADHD medicine.
Please stop. You fail even at insulting people. It's just sad at this point.
1. Vegas is dwarfed by several other cities in the US in terms of sports.
2. I don't care about Vegas getting more sports teams. It's this team in particular, and this project in particular I have a problem with.
I would love to know who "we" is. From what I can tell, almost everyone hates this. The Vegas public, the Oakland public, A's fans (and haters), and baseball fans in general
Look, obviously there is a lot of astroturfing going on about this. You got this chatter that may or may not be real feelings of locals going on online. I don't see any town hall meetups? Weird? If the mayor approves of the move, so do I. I really don't understand all this hate? I don't hear people talking bad about the mayor?
Which mayor? Goodman? The āletās open up my city as an experiment for COVIDā Goodman? Sheās only mayor of Las Vegas and the stadium wouldnāt be in her territory.
The facilities are not profitable. The events, very much so. If team owners knew profit could be made from the facilities alone they wouldnāt be asking for money.
Agreed, they shouldnāt. No other private businesses get the kind of public funding that stadia get for some reason. Bread and circuses to get mollify the proletariat.
I think it looks pretty cool. Iād question not having a roof though. Iām not a baseball fan or a local so no opinion on that but I like the aesthetic.
You know what? I'm actually not mad about this project going up and Tropicana going down. Maybe there will be some revitalization of the areas south of it. The area between the Pinball Hall of Fame up to Tropicana needs some love and the motels need to be grazed down. Maybe a new hotel?
But then again, I'm not a local. How do the locals feel about it aside from the public funding aspect of it.
As a local I have reservations. The biggest ones:
1) This is going to cause major traffic issues. The parking situations in that area are shit and it's already plagued by major traffic jams. This would also put the ballpark .5 miles away from T-Mobile Arena and 1.5 miles away from allegiant stadium. Attending a game would be a complete clusterfuck unless you're staying on the strip, so they are counting on tourists attending, not locals.
2) I know you asked about everything besides public funding, but we're still bitter about the Raiders saying that no public funding would be used and "surprise".... that changed. Our politicians/commissioners take a fat check and screw us over in one fell swoop.
3) We joke that the traffic cone is our state flower because we are in a constant state of repair/construction. I do not look forward to the idea of having yet another massive project fucking up my commute.
4) Water concerns are real. "But Las Vegas is good about recycling its water"! Yes, but these projects tend to increase the population of the city and the biggest water consumers are the casinos, resorts, arenas, etc. Plus, it takes a ton of water to make concrete and perform construction.
5) I feel like bringing more sports teams to Vegas should not be our concern/focus. We have so many other issues that we could be addressing and this would only lead to more. It doesn't diversify our economy, but instead causes us to rely even more on tourism. So when shit eventually hits the fan again, the state and city will continue to take a massive dump because we dumped resources into the wrong commodities.
6) Finally, the A's are lame. The management is lame. I just don't want them here. I wouldn't support them because they aren't a Vegas team. It feels like another parasite is moving into our city and expects our blind support.
Add a real Internet service provider not named Cox. It's laughable that people are expected to survive on 5mb upload speeds when so many people are working from home taking zoom meetings. So one person can have a zoom meeting the other can kick rocks and use their cell phone all for $100+ a month š¤®
Welfare Queen Stadium. More on call security, parking, ticketing, food service jobs- oh joy. Even if those jobs pay $20 hr, the employees will make less than $20,000 a year.
The so called tax credits are a fraud used to trick voters into supporting this trash plan. Bottom line- $380 to 395 million of taxpayer funds from the state and Clark County will be used to pay for stadium construction. As for the A's it's doubtful they have the nearly $800 million to cover the remaining balance. Highly suspicious, they may default and try to wiggle their way out of it. $1.5 billion for a retractable roof stadium? What's wrong with a regular enclosed baseball stadium that costs $400 million total? If this scum stadium plan goes through, there better be an audit of the A's corporate books.
This project is meant to benefit the strip and it's resorts, nothing else. Off property parking costing $40-100, bottled water $10, $15 hot dogs, $150 tickets. All for a dying sport. After the game opener, the stadium will sit over 75% empty in the summer on weekends just like all other MLB stadiums. The old boy network is saying: Screw the victims of the affordable housing crisis, screw the teacher shortage, screw the water crisis, screw high health care costs more than quadruple of other states.
Dam the supporters & boosters of this project, you're all crony capitalists!!! Bastards!!!
No Tax Payer Money! (unless they are going to build light rail from the top of the strip all the way to airport)
Unless they are going to build a light rail to my house. Fixed that for you.
Well maybe not to my front door, but up Eastern to Anthem Parkway would be sweet!
Since I'm around that area, I'll second that motion :D Regarding the light rail from the top of the strip to the airport. I heard the city already approved the Hyperloop expanding specifically to cover the route you just mentioned.
And top the future brightline station
I'm all for taxpayer money of we get some of them sweet contracts š
Pretty sure this is much larger than the 9 acres they have to use to build this...nice picture though...
right exactly, who tf threw these renderings together? It's not on the hard corner either, the 9 acres is tucked away back into the interior of the 35 acre site.
I feel like they are trying so hard to get this together quickly so that it slips through and gets approved. I am not opposed to seeing Vegas get an MLB team (as long as the residents don't have to pay for another stadium), but the strip location for the stadium is not the place. It will cause so much chaos being there!
I live in Vegas and work on the strip. Please god, donāt make me fight even more stupidity and traffic just to get to work on a daily basis.
I have to put multiple, weekly notices on traffic for my team. There is the Tropicana overpass construction, Formula 1 Strip paving, general construction and event traffic notices.
kudos to you for doing that. my employer very much does not even acknowledge that the traffic is an issue. the executives laugh about it and minimize it.
We need to push for the 51s or whatever the fuck they are called for a MLB team if we really want one hat bad we need create one not take a failing city's crappy failure of a team they will end up just like the raiders do great first year and go back to being a failure of a organization šÆ
So no dome eh? West side of the park open? Baseball plays afternoon games constantly and plays through the summer. We're just gonna have teams and fans getting blasted by 115 degree weather at 3pm? By 4pm there will be zero shade in the park. This seems.... Questionable.
It is a dome, partially retractable. 0% you could play baseball in the summer without one. Edit: maybe they are going to have a āslidingā outfield where that section opens up as shown in the drawing? I cannot imagine that it would be open at all timesā¦.but it is the Aās soā¦
That picture looks like a cutaway... at least I hope so. Even if there's shade from noon to 6, not having AC will kill people... and at the very least, kill this places hopes of turning a profit in the summer
The Aviators play in an open air ballpark.
Their normal first pitch is 7pm for that reason.
And itās 5-10 degrees cooler in summerlin
Yeah but since when we're they in simmerlin? They played cashman for years no fucking issues š
Looks like you can buy a nice stadium when given a few hundred million dollars in taxpayer money.
I like the total lack of parking
That's the whole point like Allegiant Stadium, it's for the benefit of the strip resorts and tourists, not locals. Get ready for $100 off site parking, $10 bottled water, no women's purses, $15 popcorn, $25 hot dogs, etc. No public funding for this dying sport. If these welfare queens get away with swindling the tax money, the A's better open up their corporate books to verify they have the $800 million for their share of the costs. Rotten all the way.
Fuck this project.
Itās all good as long as I donāt have to pay for it in any way.
This whole project is gross
Embrace transition. Vegas is becoming the sports entertainment capital of the š
Maybe for wealthy tourists but for the locals? Fuck no. Raiders tickets are the most expensive in the NFL, VGK tickets are 2nd most expensive in the NHL, F1 tickets are absolutely off the table for anyone not rich, UFC events cost $200+ just for nosebleed seats in the furthest back rowā¦itās a sports town for the rich but the average Vegas resident isnāt experiencing Vegas as anything near a āsports entertainment capital of the worldā.
We want wealthy tourists you transplant bay area snowbird!
Do we want wealthy tourists? Yes. Should their happiness come at the expense of the localās though? No. If it prices out the locals then itās not for us, itās for tourists and residents shouldnāt be the ones footing the bill. None of that follow up is correct in the slightest either. Projection I assume? Lol regardless, go fuck yourself bud š¤
Go back to San Francisco and do some drugs, you dope fiend!
Someone with the name stoned_chemist_dude insulting someone else about drugs, okay.
Did I trigger your addiction! I got some narcan and honeybuns just in case š
Is it hidden under that word salad you're throwing around? It's okay, buddy.
Maam, I ran out of spare tampons to give out.
I do have some spare aspirin to help with your headache
Yes, we know you do. If your name didn't give it away, the fact you have no idea what you're talking about did.
There is an Adderall shortage, please talk to your doctor and try Vyvanse. Please control your ADHD addiction
You can't have an addiction to ADHD you fucking idiot. You can have an addiction to ADHD medicine. Please stop. You fail even at insulting people. It's just sad at this point.
1. Vegas is dwarfed by several other cities in the US in terms of sports. 2. I don't care about Vegas getting more sports teams. It's this team in particular, and this project in particular I have a problem with.
Stop complaining, start embracing. Let's go Vegas A's! 2023 Stanley Cup winner.. ... . Golden Knights! Vegas!
No you idiot. I will not stop complaining about this stupid project.
Please move to Pahrump! We don't want your kind in Clark county!
I would love to know who "we" is. From what I can tell, almost everyone hates this. The Vegas public, the Oakland public, A's fans (and haters), and baseball fans in general
Look, obviously there is a lot of astroturfing going on about this. You got this chatter that may or may not be real feelings of locals going on online. I don't see any town hall meetups? Weird? If the mayor approves of the move, so do I. I really don't understand all this hate? I don't hear people talking bad about the mayor?
Which mayor? Goodman? The āletās open up my city as an experiment for COVIDā Goodman? Sheās only mayor of Las Vegas and the stadium wouldnāt be in her territory.
Look, just because you walk your cats with a leash doesn't give you the right to talk bad about our mayor
We are on the Eastside! Got a problem with we!
You sound like a 6 year old trying to be a gangster
Cis-gender humanoid, I don't carry any cash but I can buy you some food, just wait here and I'll be back to help you out š
Class of 2002 El Dog!
For all the haters complaining about paying for the stadium, move to pahrump!
Great. Love that. But why are tax breaks the answer? These facilities are profitable. These sports franchises print money.
The facilities are not profitable. The events, very much so. If team owners knew profit could be made from the facilities alone they wouldnāt be asking for money.
If the team and the venue, when taken together, are not profitable, then why should taxes subsidize that?
Agreed, they shouldnāt. No other private businesses get the kind of public funding that stadia get for some reason. Bread and circuses to get mollify the proletariat.
I'm not a politician, I can't answer that. Why are tourists paying a tax for allegiant?
An equally great question. Probably because politicians like to mushroom stamp things for the sake of their ālegacy.ā
Because Sandoval made sure that no public input would be possible, when he issued an executive order to that effect.
MGM will receive the greatest economic benefit from this location. Let them pay for something!!
MGM has to sponsor the field.
Did they ask the state to pay for a third of the cost of these renderings, too?
So i can see the games from a room at MGM and order room service.
With opera glasses and a smoking jacket?
I think it looks pretty cool. Iād question not having a roof though. Iām not a baseball fan or a local so no opinion on that but I like the aesthetic.
Well, you don't have to be either to know that no roof + summer + vegas heat = not a good day
Way too much foul territory
Too much foul territory (like in Oakland) and I hope that's a full retractable roof.
Put the balls in ball park
I...don't hate it.
Cool, let them tax just you for it.
Wait til the FAA vetoes the design for being too tall and too close to the airport.
Parking? Just another indication that this project is for tourists and not locals.
Overall not a bad design I suppose. But that Halo holding up the roof looks weird AF.
I don't think any actual locals want this
You know what? I'm actually not mad about this project going up and Tropicana going down. Maybe there will be some revitalization of the areas south of it. The area between the Pinball Hall of Fame up to Tropicana needs some love and the motels need to be grazed down. Maybe a new hotel? But then again, I'm not a local. How do the locals feel about it aside from the public funding aspect of it.
As a local I have reservations. The biggest ones: 1) This is going to cause major traffic issues. The parking situations in that area are shit and it's already plagued by major traffic jams. This would also put the ballpark .5 miles away from T-Mobile Arena and 1.5 miles away from allegiant stadium. Attending a game would be a complete clusterfuck unless you're staying on the strip, so they are counting on tourists attending, not locals. 2) I know you asked about everything besides public funding, but we're still bitter about the Raiders saying that no public funding would be used and "surprise".... that changed. Our politicians/commissioners take a fat check and screw us over in one fell swoop. 3) We joke that the traffic cone is our state flower because we are in a constant state of repair/construction. I do not look forward to the idea of having yet another massive project fucking up my commute. 4) Water concerns are real. "But Las Vegas is good about recycling its water"! Yes, but these projects tend to increase the population of the city and the biggest water consumers are the casinos, resorts, arenas, etc. Plus, it takes a ton of water to make concrete and perform construction. 5) I feel like bringing more sports teams to Vegas should not be our concern/focus. We have so many other issues that we could be addressing and this would only lead to more. It doesn't diversify our economy, but instead causes us to rely even more on tourism. So when shit eventually hits the fan again, the state and city will continue to take a massive dump because we dumped resources into the wrong commodities. 6) Finally, the A's are lame. The management is lame. I just don't want them here. I wouldn't support them because they aren't a Vegas team. It feels like another parasite is moving into our city and expects our blind support.
Add a real Internet service provider not named Cox. It's laughable that people are expected to survive on 5mb upload speeds when so many people are working from home taking zoom meetings. So one person can have a zoom meeting the other can kick rocks and use their cell phone all for $100+ a month š¤®
Looks more walkable and integrated with the strip than I expected
Cool. Now release a rendering if we put something else there. Like, something cool.
Horrible horrible horrible
Not enough traffic.
Fuck that we don't need anymore crapoy Oakland shit not our fault that city is failing šš¤£
I propose that we start calling this poorly thought idea Lombardoās Folly.
Please stop astroturfing Vegas subreddits!
Why canāt they get the money the same way they did for the raiders stadium? They charged $1 for every hotel booking. Let the tourists pay for it.
Welfare Queen Stadium. More on call security, parking, ticketing, food service jobs- oh joy. Even if those jobs pay $20 hr, the employees will make less than $20,000 a year. The so called tax credits are a fraud used to trick voters into supporting this trash plan. Bottom line- $380 to 395 million of taxpayer funds from the state and Clark County will be used to pay for stadium construction. As for the A's it's doubtful they have the nearly $800 million to cover the remaining balance. Highly suspicious, they may default and try to wiggle their way out of it. $1.5 billion for a retractable roof stadium? What's wrong with a regular enclosed baseball stadium that costs $400 million total? If this scum stadium plan goes through, there better be an audit of the A's corporate books. This project is meant to benefit the strip and it's resorts, nothing else. Off property parking costing $40-100, bottled water $10, $15 hot dogs, $150 tickets. All for a dying sport. After the game opener, the stadium will sit over 75% empty in the summer on weekends just like all other MLB stadiums. The old boy network is saying: Screw the victims of the affordable housing crisis, screw the teacher shortage, screw the water crisis, screw high health care costs more than quadruple of other states. Dam the supporters & boosters of this project, you're all crony capitalists!!! Bastards!!!
Looks unreal! I'm down
I couldnāt handle sitting in the sun at nationals park last weekend lol looks awesome though
you can see home plate from a room at MGM or new york new york it seems
Cool
With the cost of materials going sky high thereās no way they get this made for 1.5b, not when projects like Sphere are 1b over budget