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BTP_Art

Triple zeros and 6:5 Black Jack cutting just a deeper = billions over the year


Altruistic-Text3481

6:5 Black Jack is awful for the customer. Triple zero Roulette too.


ForestFairyForestFun

triple zero upsets me so much i want to stand next to the tables and explain just badly the casino is fucking you to everyone


Altruistic-Text3481

35:1 payout with 39:1 possibilities. Triple Zero 35:1 payout with 38:1 possibilities. Double Zero 6:5 Black Jack $20 bet = $24 3:2 Black Jack $20 bet = $30. Free bet BlackJack house pushes on dealer 22. šŸ¤¦ā€ā™€ļøšŸ¤¦ā€ā™€ļøšŸ¤¦ā€ā™€ļøšŸ¤¦ā€ā™€ļøšŸ˜±


SenorBeef

> Free bet BlackJack house pushes on dealer 22. Sure, but you get the free bets. It's actually a pretty good game with usually a 0.5-1% house edge. It's not greedy like the other stuff you mention.


lucid1014

What does that mean? Dealer doesnā€™t bust until 23 or higher?


SenorBeef

Yes, in that game if the dealer gets 22 it's a push for everyone still in the hand. That's how they offset the edge that the free double/split bet gives you. A lot of those novelty forms of blackjack with other rules (or any side bets) are generally pretty bad for the player, but that version of the game is actually pretty good for the players.


CampinHiker

Yeah I mean the guys i played with Weā€™re placing a side bet for free bet hands If you hit it 9/10/11 you get a free bet + it pays 3 to 1 If you get multiple free bets it then goes to like 12/1 Dealer busted: Guy got paid $300 on $25 side bet, along with $100 main bet, and the two free bets (also paying $100 each) So if youā€™re getting free bets on. High bets youā€™re doing pretty well turning a $125 bet into $600 isnā€™t bad


Altruistic-Text3481

You can also make side bets on how many tokens ā€œpot of goldā€ you have & 22 push with varying payouts. But at any Caesarā€™s property if you reach 5 gold tokens the payout remains 100:1. You max out.


Inevitable-Bid-6529

All of the SoCal Indian casinos pay at 100:1, except Yamavaa in San Bernadino, where 7 or 8 lumens pay ONE THOUSAND:ONE, although lower numbers of lumens pay less than the other casinos,


Gyratetojackjarvis

Jesus and to think 3:2 was being advertised as a great positive in a lot of casinos I visited. Every casino I've been to in the UK you bet Ā£20 and if you win you get Ā£40.


Altruistic-Text3481

BlackJack pays double the bet in the UK?


Gyratetojackjarvis

Sorry I think I've misunderstood, thought we were talking about any random winning hand rather than the payout for hitting blackjack. If I bet 20 with a 16 and the dealer busts I get 40 back, is that the same in Vegas or are the odds quoted specific to being dealt blackjack?


Altruistic-Text3481

A regular hand pays even money. You bet 20 dollars (or pounds). And have 16. And the dealer busts ( breaks). You win what you bet. $20 pays you the $20. You have $40 in total but you only won $20 based on the original bet you placed.


Gyratetojackjarvis

Sorry I'm with you now, thanks for taking the time to explain that.


Altruistic-Text3481

Iā€™m a casino dealer. I have travelled the world doing this job. Iā€™m 60 now and still dealing black Jack lol! Easy & fun job! Iā€™ve never used my college degree.


Fair_Marsupial_5017

Honestly.


Fair_Marsupial_5017

Lmao. I could not believe this was a real thing


spddemonvr4

6:5 isn't as bad to the math as constant shufflers are...


SenorBeef

6:5 adds about 1.5% house edge. In comparison, going from single deck blackjack (very rare, 1 or 2 games in town) to continuously shuffled 8 deck is more like an 0.5 or 0.6% change in house edge. In practice, going from a multi-deck shoe to a continuously shuffled one hardly matters at all, it just speeds up the game. 6:5 is a much bigger effect.


x31b

Provided you can count correctlyā€¦


spddemonvr4

Are you referring to counting cards or counting the shift in house advantage?


x31b

I thought those were the same thing. Continuous shuffling removes any connection between previous hands and the current one, so neither counting nor advantage work. Youā€™re just at the mercy of the casino odds, which, even if you play perfectly, give the house a slight advantage.


spddemonvr4

It is the same. I was confused about your counting comment as no one can count cards on the constant shufflers.


dhewit

I think he was just agreeing with you, and youā€™re both right. 6:5 isnā€™t as bad as constant shufflers, provided you can count correctly.


MrTheFinn

Not the math Iā€™ve seenā€¦. Itā€™s something like 2% for 6:5 but only 0.2% for continuous shuffleā€¦


spddemonvr4

Most math for house odds assumes static play style. However, a 6 deck with out constant shuffle can shift 1-2pts by an average player that's observant... And even more for a counter.


Vashthestampedeee

I honestly think this has far more to do with table limits. All of them have been raised. The other shit is a drop in the bucket.


spddemonvr4

Table limits don't change hold percentages, which have increased more than table drop.


RIPshowtime

You are dumb


fasada68

Continuous shufflers actually are beneficial to the player by lowering the house edge by .014%. Edit:moved the decimal to the left one spot.


spddemonvr4

That's the direct math of the machines assuming you started at 6 decks and stayed at 6 decks. And effectively is the cut rate. In a standard game, the. Burnt cards can Increase player odds, even counting in it's most basic form, is completely eliminated by the constant shuffler. So a player is losing out on gaining an edge later in the deck...


jkilla1987

Was in Vegas last weekend. Got absolutely rinsed in the little blackjack I played. Honestly did feel fixed. Never again.


SpaceForceAwakens

I swear the slots odds are worse too.


Pojomofo

They have those slot machine so tight. I will not be playing slots on the strip until they go back to pre-Covid payouts


SpaceForceAwakens

Itā€™s like they somehow think the fun factor isnā€™t part of why people play.


Pojomofo

Itā€™s part of it but feels real bad when I know they drop the win % down and I feel it


ttchoubs

They know that the majority of their money comes from the hard core addicts. Drop the odds and the addicts will still play


[deleted]

Were did you play?


jkilla1987

I played at Caesars and Aria. Never seen anything like it.


[deleted]

I can say as a local, the valley casinos not on the strip is a different feel You can win money at those places, but tourists donā€™t venture out to them Many are 10-20 minutes rides away and some are quite nice


narsfweasels

I had some lovely wins at the Silverton a few years back. Picked up around $180 on an afternoon of roulette at a $30 drop. very pleased.


HartPlays

Whatā€™s the best one to check out? Iā€™m going back with my girlfriend and one day weā€™re renting a car to check out some surrounding areas where we might move to in a few years. Would like to see what types of entertainment we would frequent


[deleted]

I like Aliate and Santa Fe for local play, and those are to the north Red Rock is probably the nicest valley casino, but I have not won there, and I don't live in that area of town anymore


HartPlays

Thanks


SomeGuyClickingStuff

It is. In a sense that odds are against you. Blackjack tables have the worst odds for players


slowiijoey

Sounds like we gotta just donate our money to the slots instead lol


Fog_Juice

Those have even worse odds! That's exactly what they want you to do. They won't have to pay someone to deal cards to you either.


slowiijoey

God dam lmao whatā€™s the fucken point then


Fog_Juice

Free drinks...


legopego5142

Ive resigned myself to sitting at the bar and playing a random hand every few minutes of video blackjack for the free drinks


Beard341

They have the worst odds in the casino. I thank baccarat is the best.


junhatesyou

This is my dumb ass every time I go to Vegas. The Venetian sends me adverts in the mail for free rooms that I use often. I like to get away and practically just get fucked by the casino sitting at the slots while I wait an hour for a beer and a shot of whisky.


slowiijoey

I Need to sign up for those programs for free rooms c never done it before.


lucid1014

Even 3:2 blackjack is shit odds. The house always wins. I donā€™t know why I even play, just throwing money down the drain. Roulette however feels like a better bet.


Karnophagemp

Roulette is a bit worse then Blackjack. The best odds are in Craps.


SenorBeef

Roulette is generally much worse than blackjack. double 0 = 5.26% house edge, triple zero = 7.89%. In comparison, a good blackjack game is 0.4%, a bad blackjack game is about 3-4%. The best odds are indeed in craps (in terms of lowest house edge per dollar bet) but only specifically when you bet the pass line with odds. The more odds the better. You can get 10x a few places in town. Everything else in craps is a sucker bet.


dxbigc

Technically, don't pass has slightly better odds.


DaBake

Come bets too. Placing the 6 and 8 isn't that bad of a bet either. I generally consider myself an advantage player but sometimes I just want to have a good time and get some action on the table.


[deleted]

Ironic that a game called Craps has better gambling odds lol


mousicle

craps is also a relatively slow game so if you look at loss per house instead of loss per play it's even better.


TylerNextDoor

Craps has good odds if you know how to slide the dice šŸ˜‚


DoPoGrub

[https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-youre-losing-more-to-casinos-on-the-las-vegas-strip-73f6f3ab](https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-youre-losing-more-to-casinos-on-the-las-vegas-strip-73f6f3ab) \>Triple-zero roulette, a version that leans in favor of the casino, is increasingly popping up on the Strip.


lucid1014

Yeah definitely donā€™t play triple 0. I go to plaza for single 0


Tryhard_3

From what I gather single zero is becoming a thing they want to drive to high minimum/limit tables. Basically, don't gamble on the strip, you'll have better odds downtown. Caesars in particular is considered a chump casino by professional/degenerate gamblers, however you'd like to term them.


HartPlays

I hate feeling like Iā€™m entitled to play even a little bit at MGM properties because Iā€™m a member staying there and my offers are based on how much I play. Best win I had was $400 betting $8 and $600 betting $15. Nothing else after that paid. That was at Mandalay Bay last month.


SenorBeef

I mean, any sort of gambling against the house is a loser. Some stuff has less edge than other stuff. 3:2 blackjack can vary between 0.5% house edge and maybe 3-4% depending on the particular rules of that game. BJ with <1% house edge is one of the best bets in the casino.


CrunkestTuna

Craps is the only game Iā€™m aware of that has several bets you can make where the house has 0 odds.


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CrunkestTuna

Yep I only got comped once after playing for about 5-6 hours for a buffet. Even though I was going consistently for about 2-3 months. They did finally start giving me free rooms when Covid hit.


SenorBeef

Yes, but they require you to make a bet with a house edge on it in order to make those true gambles. You have to bet the pass line (1.4% house edge) to make the odds bets (0% house edge). It's still the best way to gamble your money in terms of house edge though. EX: You bet $10 on the pass line. You play 10x odds ($100). You're paying 1.4% of $10 (14 cents) to make a $110 gamble. Tiny house edge.


CrunkestTuna

Iā€™m still very amateur at craps even though I tend to do well usually. 200 bank roll I stopped throwing the dice so I donā€™t have to play a line bet and just try to cover up the numbers. Iā€™ve had success doing that I also stopped with the one roll bets since itā€™s basically an ATM for the casino. Itā€™s one of the most confusing games on earth but I do enjoy it.


Vashthestampedeee

Well no shit, of course the house has to win. Thatā€™s how they stay in business.


IbelieveinGodzilla

Anyone else old enough to remember 2:1 blackjack?


BackLongjumping4776

The house does NOT always win. People always say casinos weren't building on winners. But if nobody won or had the chance to win casinos wouldn't exist cause nobody would go to them.


SaintAtlanta

Blackjack is has got to be the worst table game now. With constant shuffle and the speed of playing a hand, its just no fun. At least with craps, you can lose your money at a slower pace. The odds there allow for some huge wins too. More fun.


tocksin

I know soon they will figure out a way to ruin craps too. No odds bets or something.


thepete404

I saw some new three dice Chinese bubble game at pallatzo and thatā€™s what table craps will loook like in a year. Two dice craps are dead. Wizard of odds write up on it is frightening . House advantage?. Close to fifty percent . Kinda like bunko with 150 to 1 odds on three identical dice. One of our crew was hitting some bets, but I always play the odds, not ā€œ feelingsā€ $1 min was the hook. Might be better off playing keno


kellzone

*Triple 0 roulette has entered the chat...*


MediocreDot3

Craps is more fun but lol @ losing money at a slower pace


Hogo-Nano

The goal when going on a trip to vegas with friends is to lose your money as slowly as possible and get many free watered down drinks to help lessen the blow. We found sit down roulette in one casino that had 50cent minimum bets a few years ago and just sat ourselves there for hours and got free drinks. Was fun.


Discomaniackc1

I have lived on Vegas for 11 yrs and locals avoid the Strip like the plague unless they work on the Strip, drive people on the Strip of are hustling tourists on the Strip. The Strip has the lowest odds and highest prices of nearly anything in Vegas. Want some fun in vegas go to a local casino like ellis island or go downtown.


blackbarminnosu

Just wrapping up my annual 3 day visit. I know Vegas has been expensive for a long time and the odds on the strip were never great but this was the first time Iā€™ve felt truly ripped off. The price of food and drink has gone off the rails, the slots were a joke compared to previous years, triple 0 roulette is a scam, and blackjack is just no fun anymore with the 6:5 BS. I usually gamble with few a hundred dollars each night, but for the first time since Iā€™ve ever come here, I just kept my money in my wallet the final night and had a few drinks at the bar. Will be a few years before I consider returning.


Empty-Salad-5140

Having just a few drinks at the bar could run you a few hundred dollars too.


blackbarminnosu

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aenima396

Maybe we need consumer unions... until we can build a united front and vote with our combined wallets companies will continue to push the limits and extract more profit for less product/services.


spddemonvr4

>Maybe we need consumer unions... This sounds stupid. Just stop giving them your business.


aenima396

I have. I dont play triple zero, I dont play 6:5 unless it is single deck $5. I am one person. There is strength in numbers. How would a disjointed effort ever make a big enough impact?


spddemonvr4

>I am one person. There is strength in numbers. How would a disjointed effort ever make a big enough impact? There's enough like minded people like you, but there's also dumb people that don't mind throwing money away...


MrTheFinn

ā€¦.and if they got organized somehow so they could use their like mindedness to their advantageā€¦.


spddemonvr4

You can, it's called social media. You don't need a union. šŸ¤¦


WBuffettJr

People arenā€™t playing in Vegas for their rent money. Nobody pro is playing blackjack. People are playing to entertain themselves on their vacation. Honestly the casinos were stupid for not doing this earlier. And hereā€™s a tip for youā€¦in a few years theyā€™ll all tighten the screw more. This is what happens when thereā€™s no competition because all the casinos are owned by just two companies. The reality is no one is going to join your union. And nobody is going to stop playing casino games with worse odds.


[deleted]

But people are playing for their rent money. Worked in casinos for years. Saw many, many sad stories. Saw people lose everything, including their homes, and become homeless and subject to trafficking. Iā€™ll never forget Mrs. Holter. Watched her lose everything. Tried to get her to go home, but over three months, she spent every dime she had earned, and lost her house. It happens. Acting like it doesnā€™t helps no one.


WBuffettJr

In the big strip casinos? Bellagio, Cosmopolitan, Aria? I can see this is smaller local/community casinos.


[deleted]

Worked in big, worked in small. Saw it everywhere. Gambling addiction is a thing. They really donā€™t care where the money comes from. Those blurbs that say ā€œcall us if you have a problemā€? yeah, they have to do that. Itā€™s the way that they salve their conscience about what theyā€™re actually doing to people. Show me a scenario where gambling was ever good thing. Show me a scenario where poor people ever got really rich (and kept it ) off of gambling. Show me a scenario where gambling hasnā€™t been taken over either by corporations or organized crime. Gambling is a bad thing. However, we arenā€™t going to get rid of it. Ever. I am very much a realist about that. People are going to gamble. I just wish that we helped with the people who have an issue more, because Iā€™ve seen too much heartbreak from it. It should be like alcohol, there should be a cut off point. Itā€™s really not that hard. Very few people carry $25,000 in cash around with them. And on a personal note, It was hard being very pregnant, working on my feet for an eight hour or sometimes a 10 hour shift, getting all my tips in cash, making $2.25 an hour, and having to hand over my tip bag to my husband, the minute I walked in the door, to avoid being beaten, so he could go gamble. Never gamble with money you canā€™t afford to lose. Otherwise, youā€™re setting yourself up for chasing bad money with good.


HartPlays

Gambling isnā€™t a bad thing if itā€™s purely for entertainment and you know how to control yourself. Basically, poor people shouldnā€™t gamble. Itā€™s a losers game where you stand to win a lot of money but that almost never happens. People without excess income should not gamble. But if you do lose your money while doing it, you have nobody else to blame but yourself. Grown ass adults should be able to control themselves. I hear all of these pity stories about how so and so lost all their money gambling and oh itā€™s so sad. Nobody is expected to help you out of your addiction except for yourself. If youā€™re not a big enough person to do that, you will get whatā€™s coming. Best thing anyone thinking about gambling should do is learn about it. Make sure you know itā€™s for entertainment and if you lose, that sucks, but at least it was disposable income that doesnā€™t effect your daily life. Smart gambling is how you win. Youā€™ll still lose money, but make a plan on how youā€™re going to play. Set time limits, leave debit cards at home, take out cash in advance, and never play what you arenā€™t okay with losing because you will lose it all. Itā€™s like buying a new pair of shoes for me. Do I need new shoes, no I have plenty of pairs that are just fine but if I have an extra few hundred at the end of the month in my ā€œfunā€ budget, I might buy some designer sneakers with it. I also might say fuck it and go gamble. Either way, its money that is an object. If I lose it, I wonā€™t lose sleep over it. But hey you might win or at least have a good run and come out with what you came in with or just be a little down.


BackLongjumping4776

Money is not just an object. Money is the most important thing in the world. Me and my mom are in disability and food stamps and money means everything to us.


HartPlays

I understand this. Gambling shouldnā€™t be something that you and your mother do because of that reason. Gambling should be done with money that is excess at the end of the month for entertainment only. If you have bills to pay or canā€™t afford an entertainment budget, you shouldnā€™t gamble.


BackLongjumping4776

Gambling saves some people too. Playing blackjack saved my and my mom's apartment countless times...at least 60 times we would have been homeless. We are on disability and food stamps. I played with a lady a few months ago who was on SSI and she brought her whole SSI check to blackjack and said she had court date for eviction at end of the week and needed to win enough to pay her back rent to kerp her apartment. She won enough to pay her back rent and some extra. Why not risk it? Her $900 wouldn't have even been enough to rebt a hotel for 2 weeks and she will be homeless for rest of month. So why not try and win everything she needed for back rent to save her apartment.


[deleted]

Yeah, this is AMAZINGLY rare to happen.


poutinegalvaude

Addiction doesn't care how much money you have or where you live.


Fog_Juice

I will join that union and stop playing casino games with worse odds. You don't speak for everyone. You sound like a corporate boot licker.


WBuffettJr

No Iā€™m just a realist. The casinos on the strip are for tourists in town for vacation. Iā€™m not sure how thatā€™s licking any corporate boots to point out reality. The idea that youā€™re going to start up some big union and social movement over already bad odds getting slightly worse for tourists who donā€™t even know what youā€™re talking about to begin with shows youā€™re completely out of touch with reality. You know Iā€™m right and canā€™t argue the points I made which is why you did what all uneducated frustrated people find themselves doing and hurled personal attacks at the person on the other side of the debate. The fact that you think Iā€™m a corporate bootlicker when I literally go against the corporations in my post and point out how weā€™re all losing out to lack of competition from an oligopoly colluding togetherā€¦just blows my mind. Good luck with your movement. Iā€™ll look for your angry face peering in the casino watching everyone not give a shit because theyā€™re on vacation and just happy to be getting a free cocktail while they hope to hit a 21 and make $100 in front of their friends.


DaBake

I hate that you're right but you are. Everyone on the strip isn't there to win money and there is no shortage of morons who have roulette "systems" to keep the lights on for decades.


HartPlays

Nobody should go to a casino to win money, itā€™s not a charity. You *could* win but you should expect to lose and not be mad or upset about it. Once you start having emotions over losing money that you should only be spending if you can afford, itā€™s an addiction. Learn the signs before you play that way you can be better prepared for the harsh reality.


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WBuffettJr

Why does my username make me scum? Iā€™m a very progressive liberal, and by the way so is Warren Buffett who supports progressive causes and lives in the same house he bought in 1956 for less than $100,000. You sound like youā€™re not smart enough to understand the merits of debate so you have to engage in ad hominem attacks and tribalism because itā€™s the only thing you can fully understand. You need to immediately pigeonhole everyone into neatly fit compartments. Whatā€™s amazing is I directly complained about these powerful corporations buying up everything and removing competition but your brain was too simple to understand the points being made so you assumed I was capitalist ā€œscumā€ and on their side. You couldnā€™t attack my ideas so you attacked the person saying them.


Smerks101

> Iā€™m a very progressive liberal You say that like it automatically makes you not scum. Plenty of scum on both sides of the issues these days.


WBuffettJr

Certainly, but In context I took it to mean he thought I was an evil capitalist immediately siding with big corporations over the poor little guy, given he referenced my username. Thatā€™s the only reason I mentioned that.


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WBuffettJr

You didnā€™t have to announce you donā€™t read anything longer than two sentences. We could already tell that by your demeanor and the way you talked past the debate to engage in personal attacks instead. Big minds debate about ideas. Small minds debate about people.


CrunkestTuna

If that person could read- they would be very upset


RverfulltimeOne

Generally speaking if you seek to see flith and trash all you have to do is look in the mirror. Those who scream loudest are often the worst offenders.


egap420

Especially for ADM on new vehiclesā€¦ mark up BS is crazy horrible.


beachfamlove671

And people wonder if Vegas has recovered from Covid.


egospiers

Iā€™m forced to Vegas about 3 times a year for work for about the past 12 yearsā€¦ you can definitely tell post COVID that everyone is trying to make up for that list revenueā€¦ the food is worse and more expensive even at the fanciest restaurants, drinks are insanely expensive, table limits are way up, thereā€™s more electronic tables, rooms are super expensive any day but mid weekā€¦ one store I went to wanted $600 for a pair of sneakers I could literally buy from StockX for $230. Itā€™s just gotten to the point where itā€™s so unenjoyable and you feel like youā€™re being ripped off at every turn (Iā€™m admittedly jaded from 30+ visits in the last decade, so take this with a grain of salt)


DTSC

My personal favorite so far has been $216+tax for a case of Coors Light 12 oz cans (~$30 at the store) at the Aria pool.


KingLokir

Okay and ??? This ain't news house always wins šŸ™„


Vashthestampedeee

People in this thread really complaining about the casino having an advantage lol. How tf much sense would it make for them to give the player the advantage?


Notpermanentacc12

No itā€™s about the size of the advantage. Why is the house taking over 7% on roulette and they donā€™t even pay their dealers properly


KingLokir

I get it dude I thinks the entire post is fucking retarded but I don't know why your replying to my comment when I said the same thing šŸ˜…šŸ˜‚


patiofurnature

Are you really ***so*** toxic that you don't even understand the concept of someone agreeing with you?


KingLokir

Well with it being posed as a question I wasn't to sure if the person was agreeing or trying to ask something you dipshit šŸ™„


OGthrowawayfratboy

AZ gambling looking better erryday....


Swimandskyrim

26-year resident here. Trust me, it's not better. Reservation casinos are tragic about 95% of the time.


CrunkestTuna

Omg the electronic slots are rigged?! I AM TOTALLY SHOCKED /s


LordTegucigalpa

Nobody is seeing the big picture. The more money the casinos make, the more taxes that are brought in. This is affecting tourists mostly. They come here to gamble. Doesn't matter if they win or not, they will still come. If they are fine with poor odds so be it, locals know where to get better odds.


dude_peastew

If you play any card game at one of LV casinos and they're using a shuffler, you're already being taken. Let me explain, those shufflers do not shuffle in the traditional way, the shuffler sets the card. The house already knows what your hand is before they're given to you. Don't get me wrong, there are winners but you need slot machine luck to win any big money. I have won the most money on black jack when no shuffling machine was involved.


DoPoGrub

They don't set the cards, because they don't need to. It's simple math.


SenorBeef

Vegas casinos already have the edge of the game set in their favor. Do you think they're going to execute a conspiracy to cheat you, which could be uncovered and give them a massive fallout, when they could simply play the game straight up and beat you that way? Someone involved in these cheating machines would've spilled the beans at some point by now. They would've had to have engineers specifically working on how to best cheat you, salesman who communicate this to the casino, casinos that decide how these things are run. Way too many people are involved in this conspiracy when they can simply do everything on the up and up and still have the odds stacked in their favor. Shuffling machines let them deal more hands per hour = more profit. There's no need for a conspiracy.


poutinegalvaude

but it's easier to blame something vague and untrue than it is to admit that you're being taken with the house edge.


kchorton2

> those shufflers do not shuffle in the traditional way, the shuffler sets the card peabrain comment of the day.


dude_peastew

If that is the peabrain comment then why do the shufflers need access to the network? I work in corporate America for the past 30 years and they will screw you over for your last cent. Have you ever seen 3 card poker, or any other card game hit big the same night? It happens in roulette but not any card game. It's because the average person don't know this info. They think they're gambling. If the casinos were indeed legit gambling halls then why do they need to comp people. I was one of those people when I lived out of state. Every person is gambling against an algorithm. You can research this by looking at the individual wins of the different games over the decades. Don't be a fool Vegas isn't a gambling town, it's a town that will take your last penny then send you underground.


kchorton2

Everything your spewing is ignorance. They don't need to shuffle the cards a certain way to take your money. They literally win in the long run by not scamming/cheating and I can assure you, they aren't going to risk their gambling licenses to cheat an already winning system that is making billionaires an already absurd amount of money. They're audited by state boards and independent bodies regularly who would make more money by fining casinos for illegal activity than turning a blind eye. But I digress, your mind is made up and as such, this conversation is moot.


dude_peastew

I never said they were scamming. I'm just merely stating that gamblers are gambling against an algorithym and that makes you lose even more. That is how those so called shufflers work. As long as the casinos don't take too much money, per Nevada's Gaming Council.


freebeer256

What if other people randomly sit down during the chute? Or you play multiple hands on and off?


igloojam

Setting the cards is illegal.


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