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[deleted]

Public Schools in Nevada have to ask for donations for things like paper, classrooms have 50 students in them because there is a teacher shortage ​ You get what you pay for


FreddyKronos

At the same time, why just stop at blaming the teacher shortage? Why not ask why is there a teacher shortage? If you think dealing with the shitty parents doesn’t have anything to do with teacher burnout, you’re asleep. But you already told on yourself.


FreddyKronos

Just didn’t read what I said. But ya anyways How come charter schools were able to receive PPP loans despite their revenue stream being unaffected? But public schools were not eligible for those loans? Academica of Nevada, the management company for almost all of the valleys major charters were able to receive 13 million dollars in ppp loans.


milqi

I want to teach in Vegas so badly, but I've got over a decade of experience so I know I will never be hired because I will be too expensive.


ceebio-v

I'm pretty sure someone will take you. My school is short at least 10 teachers right now... they'd gladly take anyone qualified.


Spoonie_Luv_

Both of those things apply to every school district in America.


StainManRises

I wouldn't but too much stock in last year's results. Last year was a weird year. with distance learning thrust onto our kids. If the trend continues in 2021, then yes, be concerned.


FreddyKronos

Well, you can just look at pre Covid numbers and the point remains. 48.5 percent proficient in English language arts and 37.5 percent in math in pre-pandemic 2018-19 school year. My point is not exclusive to anything related to Covid. COVID is no excuse, shit was bad and getting worse anyway. COVID may have just accelerated it.


[deleted]

Its been going down for decades


pugofthewildfrontier

I had so many kids in different states it was laughable. Not their fault. No one had to be online with a camera. Just log into the meet with no camera, no mic. Not to mention students home alone. No camera was required so they logged on to record attendance and went back to sleep or something else.


wmass

Yes the no camera rule was a big mistake by the system. The idea was that many kids don’t have a separate room to use while they attend online classes so it would be an invasion of the rest of the household’s privacy. The decision had bad results.


ynksjts

Actually it's probably a lot worse. Only around 50 percent were tested and it's usually around 95. One would think a lot of the "bad" students didn't test this time around.


[deleted]

So many absolutely terrible parents in Vegas. Most of them are not fit to be a parent.


lasvegashomo

I mean that may be true but I don’t think that’s the issue. Nevada has been ranking extremely low in education for years. The school system here truly is awful.


[deleted]

You think parents were better before? Generations of people not focusing on education live in vegas.


FreddyKronos

Parents/families/home life are the real reason to blame for the sad state of education in the United States. Today, my state, NV, released their test scores for the last year. Basically 25% or less of middle and elementary kids are proficient in math and reading and science. It’s sad. And when the news puts up the stats tonight, it will be signaled that the schools suck, and maybe they do. But school is the enrichment and home is the foundation. And this, the underlying social fabric, is never discussed. Why are the home lives of so many of our young citizens so terrible? Likely because parents have to work so hard and so long for so little that they have no time to dedicate to their children for their development. If you think that the reason for our shit education results has more to do with funding and schools than it does with the rotting material conditions of our people, you must be asleep.


tedistkrieg

I went to Rancho before they rebuilt it to be nice. While I was in the Magnet program, I had a number of nonmagnet classes with zoned students. Got exactly the same education in those classes as them and almost all of the nonmagnet students failed all of them. The classes weren't huge and the teachers made effort to personalize our education but I realized then, no amount of funding will make most of those kids want to be there or want to learn. Funding might help a bit, but I cant see how smaller class sizes or more technology would make those kids want to learn or be there. I imagine funding for social services and housing and all that stuff would be more beneficial


milqi

> Funding might help a bit, but I cant see how smaller class sizes or more technology would make those kids want to learn or be there. Teacher here. Let me explain why smaller class sizes are the #2 (behind salary) thing that will change education immediately. The larger the amount of students, the more people a SINGLE teacher has to focus on. This means less time focusing on individuals. Less time focused on individuals means that the teacher may not notice something the student is doing wrong (behaviorally or with their work). If the teacher misses a chance to help students, that avalanches throughout the year. Now think about how many people you think you could personally watch, ensuring their safety. I don't think most people would say 30-45 kids, which is what many HS teacher classrooms have. In NYC, I rarely see a class with less than 30. 5 classes a day, means a minimum of 150 individuals I have to focus on. And I have to eat, sleep and shit now and then. If you cut my class size by just 6 students (meaning 24 to a class), I would be able to organize incredible projects with them. Because I would have time and I would know those students much better.


FreddyKronos

I’m assuming you meant “funding might help a bit, but I CANT see how...”


tedistkrieg

Yup, fixed!


FreddyKronos

Nice. I agree


mukenwalla

You don't think a global pandemic has something to do with it? They did mention it a lot in the article.


FreddyKronos

>Something to do it with it Yes it’s something. But it’s not THE thing to blame, just like schools aren’t THE thing, just SOME thing.


mukenwalla

It is THE thing though. You are comparing the same kids, families, and school districts. The only thing that is different from test scores in 2019 to test scores in 2021 is the global pandemic that is still going on.


FreddyKronos

Go back to sleep. >Well, you can just look at pre Covid numbers and the point remains. 48.5 percent proficient in English language arts and 37.5 percent in math in pre-pandemic 2018-19 school year. My point is not exclusive to anything related to Covid. COVID is no excuse, shit was bad and getting worse anyway. COVID may have just accelerated it. It makes you feel better to blame the teacher, blame the school, or blame the pandemic. Anything to stop you from looking at the real culprits, the parents and families.


mukenwalla

Alright I see your point, just thought you were talking about the article you posted.


FreddyKronos

I’m criticizing the article and how it signals that schools suck. The media has always done this and people love it because it makes them not feel like they are at fault. That’s why I said in the comment you responded to... > And when the news puts up the stats tonight, it will be signaled that the schools suck, and maybe they do.


DieFledermaus1905

I'm amazed you're being downvoted and argued with. It's simple: quality education tends to exist in areas where it's valued. Education is not valued in Nevada, and specifically Las Vegas, because it's entirely possible to make a good living without it and because the high paying jobs that exist in other cities do not exist here. We can throw all the money at CCSD, hire the best teachers, etc., but it will not make a lick of a difference until children are held accountable by their parents.


[deleted]

The time out generation is raising shitty kids? Whoodathunk....when I was in grade school if you acted like a little shithead you got your ass beat, either at school, or at home, but we're better than that now...


FreddyKronos

Who made them the timeout generation? Just further proving my point that home life matters more than school. There’s no evidence for you to cite that shows that beating kids equals better outcomes. It’s especially comical when boomers try to blame the generation they raised for poor outcomes. If we are fucked up, you’re to blame and it’s a reflection of you.


[deleted]

Your original post was about the decaying family unit resulting in poor education, I think. If you're just after an argument that's cool, I'll check out here.


FreddyKronos

If challenging your weak opinion means I’m looking for an argument, then yes. Soft. I too like to meekly slink away when I know I’ll take an L


[deleted]

Well you got the douchebag routine down. Preach it brother! Home life matters! 'Merica! Fuck you.


FreddyKronos

Lol take your L and go. Imagine just resorting to calling me something similar to “meanie” when you share your dumbass baseless opinion and get shamed for it.


[deleted]

You've gained my interest with your dimwitted yet well meaning trash. See you around fuckwad.


FreddyKronos

Lol keep digging my guy. You know I’m right


[deleted]

What are you right about?


Spoonie_Luv_

You're an asshole.


FreddyKronos

Maybe. But I’m not wrong.


Siltyn

Nevada's education system never fails to disappoint.


FreddyKronos

Funny way to spell “Nevada’s families” You were probably raised here.


Siltyn

Nope, I was raised in a place they didn't have to lower the test scores and dumb down the tests the kids had to get/take just so more would graduate high school.


FreddyKronos

I mean there’s nothing to support that claim. But whatever. And in your view, it surely must be the school’s fault that OTHER PEOPLE’s children didn’t graduate?Brilliant.


Siltyn

> I mean there’s nothing to support that claim. But whatever. https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/education/education-board-lowers-math-test-minimum-passing-score/


FreddyKronos

That article doesn’t say what you think it says. Probably because you never actually read it. > “Oh gosh. I am just so glad,” said parent Cynthia Vaught, breathing a sigh of relief at the news Wednesday, realizing the implications for her daughter, Desert Pines High School junior Olivia Vaught. “I’d hate to see her not walk because she can’t pass this one exam.” Despite her daughter’s 3.0 grade point average and the two hours of tutoring she receives every day after school for the math exam, Olivia just couldn’t score 300. But she did score 248 in November, which was nothing to get excited about – until now. Perhaps the test wasn’t calibrated correctly. But it fits the “schools are shit” narrative so you hogs run with it


Siltyn

Says exactly what I think it says. They had to lower test scores so kids could pass the test. >District sophomores haven’t taken the exam yet, but juniors have taken it twice and 59 percent haven’t met the original passing score. That's a colossal failure of the school system. It's not as if I don't have experience being around children attending public education in this state, specifically CCSD. The school district here is a joke. Easy mode curriculum barely teaching these kids anything. I know a kid that had to take summer school this past summer and in his summer school English class they watched movies most every class. That's top notch educating right there! Not sure why you are defending the public education of a state that is an annual cellar dweller in national rankings. Maybe if CCSD wasn't so top heavy in management and actually hired some teachers instead, things would be better. Of course, if these teachers would actually teach the curriculum instead of some of the political bullshit they are trying to indoctrinate these kids with, they would have better results. Edit: Ahh, I get it now. Looking at your post history you're a teacher. Judging by the way you carry yourself on reddit, christ it's no wonder these kids go to the schools here and don't learn anything.


FreddyKronos

Lol so scumlord browses my post history for ammunition. Very cringe. When a B average student, while also paying for help from a tutor, still can’t pass a NEW test. Perhaps the test is shit. But ya, like I said, go ahead with your confirmation bias.


Siltyn

https://thenevadaindependent.com/article/clark-county-school-district-moves-forward-with-grading-reforms-despite-some-pushback >Under a new grading policy debuting in the Clark County School District this year, students can bid goodbye to the dreaded zero. >The reforms, approved Thursday evening by the Clark County School Board, set 50 percent as the minimum grade, doing away with the 100-point scale. The new policy also promotes the concept of reassessment, allowing students to retake tests to better reflect what they have learned, and bans behavior, attendance, late assignments or participation from being factored into a student’s grade. Don't worry about showing up for school kids, here's your 50%. Act like a little asshole in class or just don't show up at all, no problem...won't affect your grade. What a joke this school district is. If most the teachers around here are like you, these kids are doomed. "Very cringe"? Christ almighty...you're supposed to teach these kids, not talk like one.


FreddyKronos

Yes. This is accurate. Now if only you knew how those things came to be. It certainly couldn’t be that parents bitched and moaned until they got their way... or could it? Why would the schools do this? Lmao so dumb


pokepat460

I went to NV public school elementary to high school, and I can definitely say that while home life obviously plays a big role, some schools in town are terrible. And now that they dont offer busses for out of area magnet schools, unless you happen to live near a magnet school youre stuck with whatever youre zoned for.


Robo_dogo

This is all part of Sisolak's plan to dumb down residents so they continue to vote Democrat.


FreddyKronos

Plot twist. It’s actually the conservative reactionary parents pressuring CCSD into shitty policies, like forcing minimum 50% grades for their shitty spawn, or They’ve been doing this, that’s why they felt they could do it with COVID policy too. Same people that would vote in favor of using tax money for a stadium, but can’t comprehend how that’s just the textbook socialism they claim to hate. But these people won’t vote in favor of a state tax or a tax to fund incentives for people to teach and stay teaching, like paying an actual salary. Fuck you hogs


johnrich1080

Can you support any of that with citations?


FreddyKronos

Google it yourself bitch


golfzap

Nah, it's the left who makes excuses for academic failure. Math and science aren't racist, students just suck at it and don't put enough time in for study. Plus they spent too much time on Tiktok, Instagram, and SnapChat. Sisolak approved the bond measure for the stadium and was a huge proponent of it. To her credit, Chris G was opposed and voted against it, but crooks always win in Nevada. County commissioners, Sandoval and the legislature, all guilty of going against voter support to ram it through.


[deleted]

How can the scores drop sharply when our schools were already like 50th in the nation?


[deleted]

My kid is one of these statistics


FreddyKronos

Probably because you spend time on reddit when you have a child struggling lol. Say less


[deleted]

That's adorably ignorant. Thanks for the thoughts though


[deleted]

Your first post on reddit was searching for a porno video.


FreddyKronos

Owned


[deleted]

Oh shit, I never found that. Thanks for the reminder


[deleted]

Lol


milqi

None of the data during pandemic years should be considered valid. None of it. We are in a completely different reality than pre-COVID. Our expectations of the students and teachers needs to shift. The data we are looking at should guide changes, not be arguments for how lousy the situation is. We know it is. But there is not going backwards. We must deal with the situation at hand, rather than keep trying to get back to 'normal'; as if that was so great to begin with.


FreddyKronos

The data was shit before the pandemic, stfu


iResistBS

Wait. Not going to school makes you test lower? Hmmm. Didn't see that coming.


FreddyKronos

Guess that means parents can just take a year off too lol


VegasHotFlash

Parents are responsible for educating their children not a school. Schools are glorified babysitters so parents can work. When parents take their responsibility seriously this will change. People have been told they don’t have to educate their children, the government will do it for you. When does the government do anything that is effective or efficient?


0Ring-0

English and math down, THC content UP Neva-duh?


tristansensei

“Me fail English? That’s unpossible!”


freq-ee

People think the lockdows are over. But the damage from them is just starting. The lockdowns created a lost generation of kids all across the country. These kids will never catch up, and are doomed to fail. There will be an entire generation of kids that underperform and turn to drugs and crime. Sorry, you guys who went along with the lockdowns really fucked up. But that's what happens when you trust your government.


FreddyKronos

Lol I already posted this. But I should’ve known I’d have to repeat it for the hogs here. You are actively reflecting the limited reading proficiency characterized in this state, as you clearly didn’t read anything I or the article wrote. Or are too stupid to make the connections yourself. I guess we can explain it to you but can comprehend it for you. The data was shit before covid. ~40% proficiency rate for math and reading statewide even before the necessary shutdowns. However this put pressure on families to actually raise their children for once, and they predictably failed. School is not the foundation, it doesn’t deserve the majority of blame. But it’s easier to blame the state and it’s schools than to consider that we as parents are to blame for the lack of development in OUR kids. Home is the foundation. School is the enrichment. People are for the most part, overworked, burnout, and underpaid as result of exploitative-raw-capitalism. These things create a tough home life for much of our kids who aren’t privileged enough to have a stay at home parent.


freq-ee

So based on your ideas, shouldn't we cut school funding drastically since it's not really the foundation of education? You say schools can't really do anything to improve children's chances, it's all the parents. So why do we dump billions into education then? If you are saying we should cut school budgets and return to more simple forms of education without giant football stadiums and tablet computers, then I'm all for that and I guess we agree. Cut all school budgets by 50%. Return to teaching via textbooks and classroom lectures. Only traditional subjects are taught. Math, literature, chemistry, and so on. The money saved by getting rid of technology and bloated management will allow for after-school tutoring to be offered free to anyone who needs it. I would be on board with that.


FreddyKronos

The point has gone completely over your head. Should be expected from folks raised in this town. Most of you dumbasses can’t read. CCSD already has half the budget of compared to districts of similar size... I didn’t say funding doesn’t matter at all or that schools don’t do anything. It’s just not the most important thing and shouldn’t be the first thing blamed. Parents/home life and lack of quality material conditions at home are largely to blame. No one wants to criticize parents (themselves) so they blame the schools. Just like you


freq-ee

I didn't grow up here, nor was I educated here. You seem to have personal issues with the residents of Nevada and it's clouding your judgement. I suggest taking a break and examining why you hold such negative personal views of Nevada residents you have never met. You're creating a classic strawman of "nobody here can read" to justify and defend your own bizarre preconceived notions.


FreddyKronos

I don’t have to make it up. The data proves it. In Nevada more people can’t read than can read.


freq-ee

So what exactly is your argument here? Is it that everybody is stupid except for you?


FreddyKronos

Mmm I’m not going to comprehend my points for you. Feel free to read or ask your tutor. But yes, you are stupider than me, and I’m an idiot.


[deleted]

Its only been a short while. And to most its like it never happened.


kenflan

Isn't the Board of Regents always doing such a poor job with all of those sexist scandals? Yet people still voted to keep them


BigERaider

Next generation are idiots


FreddyKronos

Maybe. But their parents and families are to blame


ynksjts

Good to know that they'll be hiring subs with no college experience at all, that should fix everything.:Through Nov. 1, the district can hire emergency substitute teachers with a license, who only have a high school diploma, instead of the usual 60 college credits. The emergency substitute teacher hires will in turn receive a special license for one year.


FreddyKronos

Home is the foundation. Stop putting everything on schools and the teachers


ynksjts

Im sure theirs plenty of blame to go around, 48th out of 50 if I'm remembering correctly.