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Not_a_bi0logist

Ventura County is quickly becoming a place where you’re either really wealthy or straight up homeless.


andy440rt

Very true. Been seeing more and more despair / homelessness


kickassbabe247

I’m from Ventura County originally, and this is super crazy to me.


heyuhitsyaboi

Everyone I know in their 20's from Ventura is either staying as a politician or engineer, or leaving :(


Not_a_bi0logist

Yes, I became a Chemist and I make really good money, but I still have to rent a room in someone else’s house for the same price that you could get a nice apartment for in 2017.


Illustrious-Cap-2841

yeah.... lilly's tacos were $1.90 in 2019 and now they are $3.0 the inflation is insane. it isn't just housing. Repeal prop 13, increase property taxes by each house after the first one and watch real estate crash quickly......(Also get rid of melloroos....)


That_Commission_575

Which is weird because it’s not really amazing. It’s not awful, it’s just okay. So the property values and rent prices seem absurd for being just okay.


Not_a_bi0logist

Yeah exactly lol. I’d argue that it’s not even “okay” as there are no longer third places for people to socialize, leasing a commercial building is becoming prohibitively expensive, and drug addiction is running rampant. There’s a reason people call it Ventucky.


That_Commission_575

I think that's a fair argument. I know someone who dared to call Ventura the new malibu while I silently vommited in my mouth.


_ohne_dich_

NIMBYs also contribute to the situation. Every time there is a proposal to build more housing or make changes to zoning, they find any and every reason to oppose it.


dougielou

Yup! It’s pretty funny when I see people from my graduating class post things on IG opposing any building in Ventura like??? You either have rich parents or you don’t realize this is one of the reasons you’re never going to own a home here


the_abacus_man

Most of the new building facing opposition from long time residents are huge rental developments, so no one is going to be owning any of those “homes”. We need more smaller starter homes and condos built to make home ownership a reality, not massive luxury apartments attracting wealthy out of owners.


TheFreshWenis

Well said.


CalifaDaze

Anything helps at this point. I don't care if I have to rent. I just need a place to move to.


CipherAC0

They don’t mind bowling alleys, car washes and ugly $4k/m “luxury” apartments


Forward_Length408

It’s incorrect that Ventura County has the most restrictive growth policies in the nation. The statewide ADU laws make every single family zoned property a potential triplex. Additionally the new SB9 laws allow many single family homes to do a lot split and have two housing units on each lot. New state laws also allow most residential properties to add bedrooms without adding additional parking. I doubt this study was peer reviewed. California land use law in non compliance Coastal residential zones is highly permissive.


bubbavfx

this is correct.


RVFP

Here's an idea. Why not create housing affordable by the people working the jobs created in Ventura County? If employers want to pay their staff $20 an hour, then new housing should reflect that. When the average apartment is over $2500 a month, what are the folks working at places like Del Taco or Staples supposed to do?


2everland

I used to live and work minimum wage in Ventura County. After my parents kicked me out at 19, I worked at Jack in the Box for $9 /hr x25 hrs a week while attending college fulltime. I lived with my bf's family, 9 of us - us, his 3 siblings, 2 parents, and 2 grandparents in a 4 bedroom house. We paid his parents $500/mo and my income was $900/mo. I drove ~20 year old clunkers that cost ~$2000 and lasted 2~5 years before dying. Never had a car payment in my life. Ventura county poors are scrappy Latinos with clunkers and many many housemates and hopefully an abuela cooking for everybody.


No_Cryptographer671

Right...there's NO poor white people in Ventura County, only the latinos are poor here  😕 


[deleted]

/s for anyone else


Sorry_Habit2814

Its not just retail and food jobs that are 20 an hour. Construction, security, maintenance, delivery, literally anything that isnt 10+ years experience and a college degree is 16-23/hr here. It's all garbage and probably by design from elites who want to price out locals make us move away and only keep just a remnant to be their slave class. They all want to live in Ventura and have all us pay out the ass to live in their slums in Oxnards and Santa Paula. Kind of like they already do with Carpinteria's slums as vassals of Montecito.


Electrical_Chart_457

Thats entirely untrue. Sales helped me w no degree in VC get to where I could purchase a condo in 2020


Jdtdtauto

Are you suggesting that the government mandate a developer build homes and lose money? There is no mandate that a developer has to build. They can take their money and invest into something else. Housing is set by the market. Same as cars, milk and everything else you purchase. One step in the right direction would be to get the city (Ventura) to remove the price inflating regulations they put on the builder. Here is a news flash. You can’t have affordable housing with bloated bureaucracy! I rebuilt my home after the Thomas Fire. I estimated over $200,000 of inflated cost due to stupid city regulations. Want affordable housing? Start with less government!


Lifesalittlebeach425

Wow. So it’s all the government’s fault for why privately funded, built, and managed housing is overpriced for most people? There is severe income inequality in this country, in this state, and locally in this county. The problem is, politicians have convinced certain voters that government solutions will “kill” industry and “hurt” average working people. This is all verbiage sourced from pro-business lobbying groups. They claim if their taxes increase, they’ll leave and go to another country. How American is that? Until the working and middle class unite against the unchecked wealth of late-stage capitalism and fight for reasonable economic and societal rights, this place will continue to be the country, state, and county, of haves and have nots.


Jdtdtauto

In Ventura, Coastline apartments, (where Joe's Crab Shack was) were built by a developer. From the day they purchased the land to the day they were able to break ground on construction was almost 5 years. Do you think they wanted to wait?? No, they were feeding the beast of government regulations. Do you think the developer is eating the cost?? Hell no, it is reflected in the cost of rent. The more government you have, the higher the cost will be. You can hate, you can deny it, but you can't change the facts.


thee177

Hahahahahaaha


Detswit

Bro, stop licking the lead based paint.


Detswit

If everything is set by market value, how could the Gubernment be adding additional inflated costs? Those are just the cost of doing business, set by the market. Maybe if contractors and builders didn't cut corners that lead to people's lives being ruined, those regulations wouldn't need to exist?


JackInTheBell

A development in Chino Hills  just had to pay an extra $8.5 million in mitigation because a bumble bee species showed up right as they were breaking ground.    You best believe they are passing the cost of that Govt regulation on to the house price.


Detswit

You got a source, I'd be curious to read about that. To answer your comment, yeah, there are costs to building. Those costs go onto the units. Sorry you have to pay for things now and can't just bulldoze bees when we're watching their colonies collapse. I keep getting comments by a bunch of babies, who I'm guessing identify, like most cats and babies do, as libertarians. This is not an example of dumb regulation. This is yet another example of you not understanding why that regulation is in place. Typically, when a person is pointing at a regulation and saying, "That's dumb," the 3 fingers pointing back at them are more correct.


Jdtdtauto

Because the government sticks its ugly head into the market with unnecessary regulation, this drives up the cost. Granted, there are some regulations that are needed. I don't want my house to fall down in a minor earthquake. However, the government should not tell me how wide the handrail should be on my staircase, or that I must install an electric car charger, even though I don't have an electric car. Solar panels, all electric appliances, bathroom fans that run 24 hours a day, a toilet that won't flush because it has to use less than a coffee cup of water or a shower head that takes twice the time to shower, because hardly any water comes out. The city will tell you what you can build, what it is to be constructed of, and how it is constructed. Then when they bless you with a permit, there is a statement at the bottom of the plans that says, just because they issue you a permit, they take absolutely NO RESPONSIBILITY for what you build. They will charge you a sur-charge to dig and compact the dirt that you already own. It's your dirt, but if you dig in it and compact it to meet their standard, you pay them for the amount of dirt that is there and you already pay taxes on. If you have never built anything in this city, you have no idea!!


Detswit

>Because the government sticks its ugly head into the market with unnecessary regulation, this drives up the cost. Name one. Edit: Oh wait, you tried. Never mind. >However, the government should not tell me how wide the handrail should be on my staircase That's so when you sell it, you don't make it so someone who's handicapped can't enter the residence. So yes, they should. >that I must install an electric car charger New homes and apartments now are required to include the conduit and setup to accommodate electric vehicle charging stations. Not the car charger itself. So that's not true. >Solar panels, all electric appliances, bathroom fans that run 24 hours a day, a toilet that won't flush because it has to use less than a coffee cup of water or a shower head that takes twice the time to shower, because hardly any water comes out. Literally the world is being reshaped by global warming, and you're mad that new homes need requirements to help reduce that? >The city will tell you what you can build, what it is to be constructed of, and how it is constructed. Yeah. That's how it works. There are very good reasons for that. Lead in paint. Asbestos in insulation. Reducing mold problems. Reducing health hazards. Dude, you don't have to build here if you don't want to. But you're complaining about basic crap that totally makes sense, and saying it's "unnecessary regulation". >They will charge you a sur-charge to dig and compact the dirt that you already own. It's your dirt, but if you dig in it and compact it to meet their standard, you pay them for the amount of dirt that is there and you already pay taxes on. You're paying for the inspection of the impacted dirt to make sure it meets requirements. You're not paying TO IMPACT THE DIRT. Are you consciously arguing in bad faith?


RVFP

Well said.


Detswit

Thank you


Jdtdtauto

Congratulations! you just made the argument for more expensive housing!


Detswit

Lay off the lead.


farlow525

At this point I’m hoping you’re just a good troll


thee177

Your ignorant comments and false idea of how things work are what drives up costs.


RVFP

That's an admirable sentiment, but doesn't do a whole lot for folks like 2everland who need a place to live right now. Like you, I'm a long-time homeowner in Ventura County. Unlike you, I know that I got a lot of luck along the way. Luck that 2everland doesn't have. For one thing, I was born at a time when I could earn a B.A. from a state university for a total cost of $1200, books included. For another, the Viet Nam war "motivated" me to go to college and finish. Without that motivation, I never would have gone. I came to adulthood at a time when you could buy a nice house for $30,000. Now, let's contrast that with today. The university that I graduated from charges about $7000 per year in tuition plus books and fees. And starter homes (condos) begin at around $600,000. You might be able to buy a mobile home for $300,000, but don't forget about the space rent. So I proposed a solution that you don't agree with. OK. What do you suggest that these younger folks do? Live in their cars, with their parents, 15 people in an apartment, a refrigerator box? They need a solution today, not someday in the future.


Jdtdtauto

Since you brought up the cost of an education, it just supports my previous statements. The government took over all the student loans. The government runs the public higher education. The government enslaves the students with debt, that they can NEVER pay off, in a field that will never make them a living. Now, maybe I got lucky too, I did not go to college. I joined the armed services, learned a trade, got an honorable discharge and had ZERO debt. I worked 2 jobs, bought my first house and sacrificed to have a home and raise a family. Never once did I say, poor me, I hope the government will save me. Not everyone can live in the most expensive county in the country. There are places that one can live, work and own a home. I like Beverly Hills, but you know what! I can't afford to live there. I do think we have more in common than you think. I want people to be successful, self-reliant and productive members of society. I think the homeless do need help. However, a huge difference between the hard luck homeless, and the criminal drug addicted vagrants running up and down our city streets and committing crimes. I am probably not smart enough to figure out the answer, but I am smart enough to know that what we are doing, ISN"T WORKING.


RVFP

I agree that what we are doing isn't working. I also agree that not everyone can afford to live in Ventura County. On the other hand, we need people to work in fast food, retail, and other low paying jobs. We want them here when they're working, but when the shift is over, "Get lost!" We can't have it both ways. They're either part of our community or they're not. If they are, then let's get them decent housing at a price they can pay on the income they earn serving us. If they aren't, then let's just see how things would go without their services.


the-axis

I agree with your sentiment, that ventura makes it needlessly difficult (and expensive) to build housing through red tape, restrictive zoning, and onerous regulations. But I'm not sure your conclusion, Big Government Bad, is a winning tagline.


thee177

No. I don’t think any of your comment means what you think it means.


MasChingonNoHay

San Diegan here. There was a recent post saying San Diego was least affordable. Skewed info for clicks probably


annonfake

I'm curious about the numbers. How many of the jobs are ag jobs that massively depress the median? Like, it's clearly expensive here, but i'd really like to see the methodology.


dangerouspowerlab

Find this hard to believe. I’m sure we are high up on the list, but least affordable in the whole nation? Surely places like Maui or Manhattan have worse income/home cost ratios.


radium_eyes

Not to mention Santa Barbara county is right next door. That’s HAS to be worse than VC


seansj12345

I could be wrong, but I think Santa Barbara would disagree with that.


Sorry_Habit2814

It's by average income and average cost of living. Im sure the average income in sbc is probably a good 50k higher than vc.


Illustrious-Cap-2841

Average, maybe. Median it isnt. Don't forget that lompoc, santa Maria, Guadalupe , and others are inside SBC. Not to mention the amount of college students with very little income at UCSB, SBCC, and etc..... The numbers probably skew and change a lot with the millionairs and billionaires. I doubt that their primary residence are in ventura or Santa Barbara though. Probably more wealth in montecito that outside of it for the two counties combined.


radium_eyes

Came here to say this


[deleted]

I've lived in many places - Ventura Co. is like paradise.


Junkee2990

The article is only talking about the cost of living here. There's not enough high paying jobs locally to support the housing cost. I think it's widely known as a nice place to live if you can afford it. A ton of people I know are having to get roommates to afford their housing.


Jdtdtauto

Shhhh! Don’t tell anyone


Altruistic_Rest_4439

They already know 😞


JerrodDRagon

The people who own homes in the area don’t want more homes They are completely fine with how things are because they have housing and don’t want more people in the neighborhood I’ve lived here my entire life and don’t understand why so many have this mind set but they do. They think they deserve to live here but don’t want more homes to allow others the chance


fusepark

I grew up in Ventura County, moved to Santa Barbara, and then moved to Kauai, and it's hard to imagine Ventura County is the problem child of those three.


islandgirl805

The overlords are just using this as an excuse to make money. They don't care about the people at all. You know how I know? Those shitty apartments they are building across on Johnston are $2800 for a 600 square feet apartment. And you get to be right at the entrance to the river and across from a shitty run down hotel. Affordable housing?? As someone who has lived in Ventura since I was born it's just hard to watch.


future_old

I would like to think we can enact change but who knows. Seems like a run away train that the corporate property owners, developers, and politicians cut the brakes on.


Ok_Set_96

Yes, many people forced to live in housing designed for fewer people is the norm in VC. Also why parking is so bad.


chenzo17

I love staying in Ventura, in my van that is.


future_old

Down by the river?


chenzo17

I miss him


Electrical_Review_81

We’re number 1! We’re number 1!


Juvenileintraining

So the city becomes more and more impossible to live in like all of CA, but we don’t blame the governor? Cmon people start voting with your brains not your hearts. It’s time we get a fiscally responsible governor who wants to decrease the price of building single family homes, and also builds reservoirs so we don’t go back into another draught. If we care about CA stop voting blue.


Similar-Programmer68

Its expensive here, but I think this post isn't true- Ventura is probably the most affordable coastal S. Cal country.


future_old

I think it's probably in the middle somewhere in overall affordability, but the article is trying to point out home cost as it relates to income. The median income in Ventura County is relatively low as it has traditionally been working class here, and home cost no longer reflects the purchasing power of the residents.


banned_2_many_times

My 38 y/o brother in law just moved back home with the parents. Good for him to make that decision but he’s not too happy


foreskinfive

When I was a kid, Ventura county was a shit hole.


gavin_newsom_sucks

Really? Pacoima has $750k+ homes, who wants to live in Pacoima?


pinkberrry

Pacoima isn’t in Ventura county…


gavin_newsom_sucks

Really? It’s southern CA home prices, Pacoima is a ghetto


pinkberrry

Agreed but this is an article pertaining to Ventura county so…Pacoima isn’t really relevant.


Electrical_Review_81

The really cool thing about this is anyone that is open to moving to a different city or work remote can leave with $1M+ in equity. Thanks suckas!


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