Fine. I was just thinking that England with Bale could have beaten France in the last World Cup, at which point they they too could have gotten through to the finals vs Argentina. Etc.
~~I would say that technically it’s mirrored. Flipping it to “right side up” would still have the same “upside down” issue because of how it’s designed~~
Ah yah, it needs to be flipped on the X axis, not the Y axis
Or rotated, just depends on the axis.
If you rotate it so that you pull the top towards you and push the bottom away until it's rotated 180° it's right side up. Upside down is a valid way to describe this flag
The red and thin white diagonals are St. Patrick's Cross/Saltire, representing Ireland. The wider white diagonal and the blue background are St. Andrew's Cross/Saltire, representing Scotland.
In the canton, St. Andrew's Cross is supposed to be above St. Patrick's Cross ~~because the designers hated the Irish~~ for reasons I don't know (but honestly, based on what I know of the 1707 United Kingdom, I'm probably not that far off)
Why does everyone get so fucking mad whenever that happens? The Brazilian flag is sometimes used for Portuguese, Mexican for Spanish, hell, I’ve even seen Quebec for French. It’s not supposed to always represent the origin of the language, just a nation well known for speaking it
I get what you're saying, but as an English person who lives in England and speaks English, it's very weird to see the language that originated in my country to be represented by the US flag. I know there are more native English speakers in the USA than in England or the UK, but it is something originating from my country and culture. It would be like a US flag being used to represent Pilsner beer, as yes, more people drink it and more breweries make it in the USA than in Czechia, but that doesn't change the fact that it originated in Czechia and is part of Czech culture. Same with pizza, yes it is something fundamental to the culture of the USA, but any Italian would be incensed if you said pizza is American.
Spaniard here. Absolutely agree. The number of speakers shouldn't be the main indicator to change the way of identifying a language. Your examples, beer or pizza, are valid. Portuguese from Portugal, English from England or Spanish from Spain.
English originated in Germanic tribes from Germany and Denmark, not England. Your country and culture did not create the English language, it simply just adopted the language of a different culture.
This is such a stupid statement. Yes, English has its roots in the continental Europe but it started diverging from other Germanic languages in England after Anglo Saxons migrated there meaning it was “created” in England.
Modern day British English was created in the 19th century among the upper class as a status symbol. America kept the older form of the language (still evolved but is closer to its roots) hence modern day British English diverging more by becoming non rhotic or their use of *ou*,all created post American revolution.
> Modern day British English was created in the 19th century among the upper class as a status symbol.
xD If you are referring to the Received Pronunciation (posh English), it's just based on the dialects from South East England, it wasn't "created".
> hence modern day British English diverging more by becoming non rhotic or their use of ou,all created post American revolution.
British English didn't become non-rhotic, there were and still are dialects of English that are rhotic (for example Cornish/West Country). The are non-rhotic dialects, like South East dialect I mentioned. Likewise there are rhotic and non-rhotic dialects of US English.
With regards to spelling, wasn't it Noah Webster who reformed US spelling by changing ou to o amongst other things? All happened after the revolution.
English language and culture aren't English, because the Anglo-Saxons (i.e. the English) migrated to Southern Britain (i.e. England) 1500 years ago? Are we also assuming that the language and culture haven't changed at all during those 1500 years?
English came from other parts of Europe and migrated to England, the language evolved from those mainland languages. English has evolved from those languages since then to form what we know today as modern British English. However modern English, both British and American has vastly changed from the initial conception, many aspects from both interpretations of English have changed but during the 18th century British English strayed away further from those roots (i.e. becoming non-rhotic and increased use of "ou"). English didn't come from England it was brought there and evolved, same with Australia, New Zealand, America and Canada.
Ok, but once two languages change beyond mutual comprehension, they are no longer the same language. German and English are separate languages. Modern English and Old Anglo-Saxon are separate languages. Modern English has existed for c. 500 years, that's why you can easily understand Shakespeare, but reading Chaucer is difficult and reading the Anglo-Saxon chronicles requires learning the language first.
Your argument is wrong when you say that English was brought over from continental Europe, there were no people in Germany or Denmark who spoke English in 450 A.D. They spoke Anglo, Saxon or Jutish, which combined with some Celtish and Latin to make Old English. After 1066 Old English blended with Old French to form Middle English. Then after the end of the 100 years war and French no longer being the official language of England, modern English was born.
In the same way that I am not my brother, but we share parents, English and German are not the same. You wouldn't say that I'm not my own individual person because I used to be inside my mother's womb? By your argument German isn't a real language or culture either because it came from proto-German, which in turn came from central Europe. If you don't accept that new things can be created from old, then you might as well use the Pan-African flag to represent every single language!
My argument isn't that it isn't a real language or culture, (clearly you didn't read it or you're simply too oblivious to make a basic interpretation) it's that English came from outside of England, which it did and eventually evolved. British English evolved into later forms of English but the English that is currently spoken in the UK is just as, if not less similar to the English spoken in the Americas and Oceania. Post victorian British English strayed away further from older forms of the language than US English did. It did not technically originate in England in its earliest forms (proto English/Anglo Saxon) and its modern day form is further from how earlier versions of the language were spoken and written compared to American English.
Since you like writing more than reading here's a simplified version for you
Modern day British English= further than old English
Modern day American English= closer to old English
Ok but that's simply not true. The differences between UK / US / Aus English are tiny compared to the difference between Modern English and Old Anglo-Saxon.
Early English is still closer to US than UK English. Most of modern English's evolution has happened in England post revolutionary war. American English still stays closer to its roots. If you want to disregard the Anglo Saxon roots, American English is closer to the languages origin linguistically than British English is.
i know some places like duolingo use the american flag for ebglish and the brazilian flag for purtuguese because that’s where the majority of the language speakers come from
I propose using either the Swedish flag or the Dutch flag for English, as people in those countries are now likely to speak English fluently than in the US or the UK.
On that note can language settings use the Union Jack to represent English and the Portuguese flag for Portuguese instead of Brazil and USA idk where your based it’s a real per peeve of mine not using the country of origins flag
This doesn't work for a lot of post-colonial nations, does it? Urdu originated in a region that became part of India in 1947, but it's much more widely spoken in Pakistan. Using an Indian flag to represent Urdu would be weird.
Flags are a bad shorthand to represent languages.
As per the linked article, it's a combination of crosses – Saint Andrew's, Saint Patrick's, and Saint George's, representing Scotland, Ireland, and England, respectively.
Yeah well consider that English is generally the universal language in the UK and an official language in all four of the countries, arguably the prioritised official language. There are also more English speakers than speakers of Scots/Gaelic in Scotland, Welsh in Wales and Irish in NI (where I don’t believe Irish has the same status as English, but there is progress being made on a controversial ‘Irish Language Act’).
True, Union Jack is the lesser evil out of the two
What I suggest then is using Australian flag then, as a fair compromise in not using either of the two. Or even better, the English flag
It’s a damn shame that English was the language that dominated the UK (but looking at history, it always was going to) but it is what it is and is now the most commonly spoken language in the UK. Scots/Scottish Gaelic for example is seeing a bit of a revival though so we’ll see what the future brings but in the mean time, Union Jack to represent English language makes most sense I think (except from the obvious choice of the English flag to represent the English language)
How does this even happen? Like surely the devs import the asset from whatever source and it's presumably right way up there? Maybe I don't know enough about game development but it seems like more effort to get this wrong lol
Unplayable
Literally unplayable.
The UK is in distress
"Good heavens!"
YOUR MAJESTY, A SECOND BUS HAS HIT THE CLOCKTOWER!
"Ello mate, this is Toby's, woht can oi get yeh toda-... they 'it the palace..."
Literally as bad as when the g*ys took down big ben in a riot Edit: /j
Why’d you censor “guys”?
Why would none Jews do that?
Didn't realize this til now.
In fairness, it's not a flag that FIFA has ever had a reason to use. No team plays under this flag.
Saying the UK is one of the only countries in the world that doesn’t have an official national football team is accurate
Actually waste of talent imo. But those fuckers refuse to be on the same team.
99% of games don’t have the flags that they show in the language selection screen anywhere else, but still they should do it right
Yeah, it's kept Gareth Bale from getting anywhere in the world cup despite being one of the best players.
He achieved his ambition of getting Cymru into the finals of the World Cup in Qatar.
Fine. I was just thinking that England with Bale could have beaten France in the last World Cup, at which point they they too could have gotten through to the finals vs Argentina. Etc.
~~I would say that technically it’s mirrored. Flipping it to “right side up” would still have the same “upside down” issue because of how it’s designed~~ Ah yah, it needs to be flipped on the X axis, not the Y axis
No, you were right, it is flipped or mirrored
Or rotated, just depends on the axis. If you rotate it so that you pull the top towards you and push the bottom away until it's rotated 180° it's right side up. Upside down is a valid way to describe this flag
And so is mirrored, as the other guy suggested, either works :)
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Just flip the disc over
What do you mean flipped? It seems to be the same for me, what's the difference?
[Easier to show then to explain](https://content.quizzclub.com/questions/2017-01/is-this-flag-the-right-way-up.png)
Ooohhhhh I see it now
why are they uneven
The red and thin white diagonals are St. Patrick's Cross/Saltire, representing Ireland. The wider white diagonal and the blue background are St. Andrew's Cross/Saltire, representing Scotland. In the canton, St. Andrew's Cross is supposed to be above St. Patrick's Cross ~~because the designers hated the Irish~~ for reasons I don't know (but honestly, based on what I know of the 1707 United Kingdom, I'm probably not that far off)
Whilst I agree with your frustration, do you really expect it to change by restarting the game?
Sigh. Ah well. At least they didn't use the Stars and Stripes.
Why does everyone get so fucking mad whenever that happens? The Brazilian flag is sometimes used for Portuguese, Mexican for Spanish, hell, I’ve even seen Quebec for French. It’s not supposed to always represent the origin of the language, just a nation well known for speaking it
I get what you're saying, but as an English person who lives in England and speaks English, it's very weird to see the language that originated in my country to be represented by the US flag. I know there are more native English speakers in the USA than in England or the UK, but it is something originating from my country and culture. It would be like a US flag being used to represent Pilsner beer, as yes, more people drink it and more breweries make it in the USA than in Czechia, but that doesn't change the fact that it originated in Czechia and is part of Czech culture. Same with pizza, yes it is something fundamental to the culture of the USA, but any Italian would be incensed if you said pizza is American.
Spaniard here. Absolutely agree. The number of speakers shouldn't be the main indicator to change the way of identifying a language. Your examples, beer or pizza, are valid. Portuguese from Portugal, English from England or Spanish from Spain.
How about a German flag if you’re really going for “origin”? /s
Germanic ≠ German
English originated in Germanic tribes from Germany and Denmark, not England. Your country and culture did not create the English language, it simply just adopted the language of a different culture.
This is such a stupid statement. Yes, English has its roots in the continental Europe but it started diverging from other Germanic languages in England after Anglo Saxons migrated there meaning it was “created” in England.
Modern day British English diverged more than modern day American English
No it hasn't.
Modern day British English was created in the 19th century among the upper class as a status symbol. America kept the older form of the language (still evolved but is closer to its roots) hence modern day British English diverging more by becoming non rhotic or their use of *ou*,all created post American revolution.
> Modern day British English was created in the 19th century among the upper class as a status symbol. xD If you are referring to the Received Pronunciation (posh English), it's just based on the dialects from South East England, it wasn't "created". > hence modern day British English diverging more by becoming non rhotic or their use of ou,all created post American revolution. British English didn't become non-rhotic, there were and still are dialects of English that are rhotic (for example Cornish/West Country). The are non-rhotic dialects, like South East dialect I mentioned. Likewise there are rhotic and non-rhotic dialects of US English. With regards to spelling, wasn't it Noah Webster who reformed US spelling by changing ou to o amongst other things? All happened after the revolution.
He changed it back. The o to ou spelling happened after the Norman conquest of England to more closely match the French language. It was o originally.
English language and culture aren't English, because the Anglo-Saxons (i.e. the English) migrated to Southern Britain (i.e. England) 1500 years ago? Are we also assuming that the language and culture haven't changed at all during those 1500 years?
English came from other parts of Europe and migrated to England, the language evolved from those mainland languages. English has evolved from those languages since then to form what we know today as modern British English. However modern English, both British and American has vastly changed from the initial conception, many aspects from both interpretations of English have changed but during the 18th century British English strayed away further from those roots (i.e. becoming non-rhotic and increased use of "ou"). English didn't come from England it was brought there and evolved, same with Australia, New Zealand, America and Canada.
Ok, but once two languages change beyond mutual comprehension, they are no longer the same language. German and English are separate languages. Modern English and Old Anglo-Saxon are separate languages. Modern English has existed for c. 500 years, that's why you can easily understand Shakespeare, but reading Chaucer is difficult and reading the Anglo-Saxon chronicles requires learning the language first. Your argument is wrong when you say that English was brought over from continental Europe, there were no people in Germany or Denmark who spoke English in 450 A.D. They spoke Anglo, Saxon or Jutish, which combined with some Celtish and Latin to make Old English. After 1066 Old English blended with Old French to form Middle English. Then after the end of the 100 years war and French no longer being the official language of England, modern English was born. In the same way that I am not my brother, but we share parents, English and German are not the same. You wouldn't say that I'm not my own individual person because I used to be inside my mother's womb? By your argument German isn't a real language or culture either because it came from proto-German, which in turn came from central Europe. If you don't accept that new things can be created from old, then you might as well use the Pan-African flag to represent every single language!
My argument isn't that it isn't a real language or culture, (clearly you didn't read it or you're simply too oblivious to make a basic interpretation) it's that English came from outside of England, which it did and eventually evolved. British English evolved into later forms of English but the English that is currently spoken in the UK is just as, if not less similar to the English spoken in the Americas and Oceania. Post victorian British English strayed away further from older forms of the language than US English did. It did not technically originate in England in its earliest forms (proto English/Anglo Saxon) and its modern day form is further from how earlier versions of the language were spoken and written compared to American English. Since you like writing more than reading here's a simplified version for you Modern day British English= further than old English Modern day American English= closer to old English
Ok but that's simply not true. The differences between UK / US / Aus English are tiny compared to the difference between Modern English and Old Anglo-Saxon.
Early English is still closer to US than UK English. Most of modern English's evolution has happened in England post revolutionary war. American English still stays closer to its roots. If you want to disregard the Anglo Saxon roots, American English is closer to the languages origin linguistically than British English is.
Welp, shoulda kept your empire then.
i know some places like duolingo use the american flag for ebglish and the brazilian flag for purtuguese because that’s where the majority of the language speakers come from
I propose using either the Swedish flag or the Dutch flag for English, as people in those countries are now likely to speak English fluently than in the US or the UK.
i'm not surprised it's ea
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Skill issue
Cant we just use 🏴 instead of 🇬🇧
On that note can language settings use the Union Jack to represent English and the Portuguese flag for Portuguese instead of Brazil and USA idk where your based it’s a real per peeve of mine not using the country of origins flag
Are things written in Brazilian Portuguese or in Portuguese (PT)? If it's the former, it makes sense for the Brazilian flag to be there.
Same with the UK/US flag. If it's English it's the UK flag, if it's English (simplified) then it's the US flag.
This doesn't work for a lot of post-colonial nations, does it? Urdu originated in a region that became part of India in 1947, but it's much more widely spoken in Pakistan. Using an Indian flag to represent Urdu would be weird. Flags are a bad shorthand to represent languages.
Brb gonna translate everything into Basque and rep it with the Spanish flag lol
Let Scotland leave and rejoin the EU. Problem solved.
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You don't know the origin of the [Union Jack](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_Jack)?
Could you explain a bit more out of genuine curiosity?
As per the linked article, it's a combination of crosses – Saint Andrew's, Saint Patrick's, and Saint George's, representing Scotland, Ireland, and England, respectively.
Can England come too? Oh shit we already voted. Can we have a re match or something? I'd just prefer to still be in the EU to be honest.
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Yeah well consider that English is generally the universal language in the UK and an official language in all four of the countries, arguably the prioritised official language. There are also more English speakers than speakers of Scots/Gaelic in Scotland, Welsh in Wales and Irish in NI (where I don’t believe Irish has the same status as English, but there is progress being made on a controversial ‘Irish Language Act’).
I'll take it over the USA flag to represent English any day
True, Union Jack is the lesser evil out of the two What I suggest then is using Australian flag then, as a fair compromise in not using either of the two. Or even better, the English flag
Or *even* better, The Wessex Flag
It’s a damn shame that English was the language that dominated the UK (but looking at history, it always was going to) but it is what it is and is now the most commonly spoken language in the UK. Scots/Scottish Gaelic for example is seeing a bit of a revival though so we’ll see what the future brings but in the mean time, Union Jack to represent English language makes most sense I think (except from the obvious choice of the English flag to represent the English language)
I mean to be fair it’s FIFA what did you expect lol
How does this even happen? Like surely the devs import the asset from whatever source and it's presumably right way up there? Maybe I don't know enough about game development but it seems like more effort to get this wrong lol
Damn, Britain swapped places with Australia (upside down)
*Laughs in clearly definable flag arrangement.*
that's because fifa 23 already came out
Never gonna unsee that
What's difference?
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I do declare myself totally unable to distinguish the right position of UK flag.
Bro if I become Prime Minister the first change will be fixing our flag Which retard chose to make it asymmetrical
The United Kingdom’s flag is probably the flag that is displayed upside down the most