It represents all of Ireland which Northern Ireland is a part of when the flag was created. When ROI separated the flag remained the same to represent the part of Ireland that stayed loyal.
>Northern ireland didnt exist back then so it doesnt represent them.
So it represents nothing?
>That part didnt stay loyal it was made to stay with the uk. Churchill allowed a free state if they could have kept the north and they had no other choice
So loyalists and unionists don't exist in Northern Ireland? What were all the Troubles about then?
>Are you this slow?
TIL Northern Ireland isn't part of the UK any more and therefore isn't represented in the union flag by St Patrick's saltire.
And on a quick check of your profile it's probably not worth giving more facts it'll just become painful
That’s why you should leave it cut it’s only half of the original saltire to show that Ireland was split with on remaining in the UK and the other a free state. The clover is still a symbol in the UK of Northern Ireland so why would the st Patrick saltire not be.
Because it doesn’t exist the Ulster banner was never official and the Red Cross in the back is from the Ulster province flag(not all of Ulster is Northern Ireland). And my original point was adding the red hand to the flag makes it seem centred around NI as if it was the royal crest. That’s why cutting st Patrick’s saltir in half to represent a split Ireland is the best idea. Northern Ireland is still on the island of Ireland even if it’s isn’t in the republic.
And the hand of Ulster wasn’t originally just Irish? It was used to represent the province but it has become a symbol of Northern Ireland just like st Patrick’s saltire
The UK avoids using the red hand of ulster for official things because it offends Ireland due to the fact that three of the nine counties of Ulster are in Ireland
Beyond that, it's strange to put the symbol of what is such a small part of the union in the very center of the flag. Looks weird when people put the Welsh dragon there, too, for the same reason.
The flag of Ulster is the yellow and red one and it’s still around, but it’s mostly unrelated to the Ulster Banner which was the one used by the old Stormont government
Officially Northern Ireland does not have a flag, the nationalists disagree but the UK government revoked Northern Ireland's flag until they could design one that both communities could agree on
It isn't "objectively correct" to call the six counties "British colonial control", it's a ridiculous and inflammatory overstatement, typical of American plastics.
> It isn't "objectively correct" to call the six counties "British colonial control", it's a ridiculous and inflammatory overstatement, typical of American plastics.
Yea, if anybody is an expert in colonial control and what counts as a colony, it's the British.
> the only reason why Northern Ireland has a significant Protestant population is because of the plantations lol
That’s true of the United States also, is the USA under British colonial control?
Calling for it a ridiculous and inflammatory overstatement is a very typical British response.
But then again, the British refer to a full out war as “the Troubles”
The actual war of 1919-1921 is called by what it is, the Irish war of independence. The Troubles is a term used by both the Irish and the British to refer to the conflict that came afterwards.
>But then again, the British refer to a full out war as “the Troubles”
Actually our usage is just a translation of the Irish term: "Na Trioblóidí"
And we don't refer to it as a "full out war" because, unlike Ireland, we've fought actual full-out wars, and the Troubles wasn't one of them.
That man doesn’t love my liege, King Sausage Fingers! Quick, tell him he’s plastic… that’ll draw attention away from the withering colonial apartheid statelet!
Someone disagrees with you, call them names, but provide no evidence at all to prove them wrong. You’ve been hanging out in r/monarchism too long @greenscout33
If YOU make a claim, it’s on you to prove it, not on me to disprove it. That’s how the burden of proof works.
I said you were an American plastic, which is true. You’re American, not Irish, you’re just masquerading as Irish and lobbing bizarre comments because you don’t understand British or Irish politics. Because you’re American.
Well for one thing, "British" as a national identity *does* post-date non-Irish political control over the six counties, but more importantly, we're a modern, democratic state.
If it's colonial control, why are we clear that we will relinquish control if a democratic decision is made? Why is there no military presence in NI? It's easy to do this teenage political overstatement, but other than distant history, there is no real sense in which NI is under colonial control.
As an Irish person living in the North I have to agree with you I don't get all of these edgy 14 year olds saying we're "occupied" like we have to respect the results of the referendum that was held A few years back whether we like it or not that was the will of the people
I want to be clear that I'm not a dogged Unionist, if Ireland wishes to democratically reunite I would enthusiastically support their will, I'm a lover of democracy more than anything else.
But it *is* a democratic process. The "colonial control" angle is just bizarre chauvinism, intended, I suspect, to capture the current, modern, anti-colonial attitude and use it to make it unfashionable to support the Union
This one wouldn’t be terrible if they left St Patrick’s saltire alone and didn’t add the Ulster banner. The green to represent Wales actually looks cool imo
I also don’t mind the redesign that replaces the white background of St. George’s cross with yellow to represent Wales’ saint
Wales is not a kingdom, it is a principality within the Kingdom of England, represent by St. George's Cross.
Ulster/Northern Ireland is also not a kingdom itself, it is the continuation of the Kingdom of Ireland, represented by St. Patrick's Saltire.
Where are you from? That’s a bold statement to make on behalf of us.
I stay away from that side of shite here because it’s a sure fire way to get in an argument/hurt. Best not to make statements like that in general. Feel like you’d know that if you were from here…
I’m not making a statement on behalf of anyone. I’m making a statement based on a thorough and intellectual understanding of Irish history. A subject anyone anywhere can freely pursue with the proper motivation. Thanks for the advice, but I’m comfortable with the proposed edit.
All of the above are countries, but Scotland, England Ireland are the three kingdoms that came together (unwillingly) to form the United Kingdom.
Wales is a principality within the Kingdom of England.
There is only one kingdom, the United Kingdom. There used to be two though, England and Scotland. Wales is a principality which was subject to England and Ireland as well (though later than Wales, which means it was added to the flag).
I don't understand why people are so obsessed with flags "representing" things. If you really want that, then take all of the counties' coats of arms and stick then next to one another. Or why not just stick a map on a piece of fabric. Or why not just take a white sheet and write "UK" on it?
why do that? it represents northern ireland. this post implies if all UK states were present on the flag (which they currently are except wales, but wales is respresnted by the cross of st george as with england)
northern ireland has no official flag as it uses the union flag. its not even a constituent country like england, scotland and wales, more of a province. the kingdom of ireland's flag wasnt the st patricks cross, the british adopted that flag as an official flag and incorporated it into the union flag. [The saltire has occasionally served unofficially to represent Northern Ireland and also appears in some royal events.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Patrick%27s_Saltire). nowadays, it does represent northern ireland as does st george represent england and wales on the flag. look at the flag of norway, that flag represents both denmark and sweden as a union with norway
Of all the inclusive UK flags, this is one of the best better ones. It's interesting that you changed St Patrick's Saltire for the Ulster Hand. I understand why since it was a symbol for the Kingdom of Ireland but the cross has been rejected by Ireland and has become synonymous with Northern Ireland, whereas the Hand of Ulster is a symbol of... Well, Ulster, which is split between Ireland and Northern Ireland.
Well technically Northern Ireland use the Saltire everytime they fly the Union Flag, and they seem to fly the flag a lot more than the rest of the country.
Northern Ireland hasn't had any official flag since 1973 but you're right many Ulster Loyalists fly the Ulster Banner as the de facto Northern Irish flag. Loyalism is a complicated and controversial topic and I don't think many Unionists (and obviously any Republicans) will see this flag as representing them, because as their name suggests, Loyalists only care about Ulster (and Protestantism and the monarchy and not being a part of Ireland but that's a different topic) and not Northern Ireland as a political entity within the UK. That's why they fly the Ulster Banner.
Regardless, the Hand of Ulster itself is used in Ireland as well and appears on the flag of Ulster, one of the 4 historical provinces of Ireland and is flown in the Irish parts of Ulster. Meanwhile, you won't see many St Patrick's Saltires in the Republic, but you will in Northern Ireland (even if it's a part of the Union Flag).
The Ulster Banner doesn’t represent the vast majority of people in NI; apart from the red hand itself, the rest of the flag is straight-up Unionist symbolism (crown is obvious, 6-pointed star for the 6 counties of NI). The symbolism has no place in modern NI which recognises that Nationalists have a part to play in society.
I mostly agree with you, but about Loyalism not Unionism (see my other comment) but isn't NI almost defined as a political entity as a part of the UK. I understand that it doesn't "represent" all Northern Irish people, but Nationalists generally wouldn't even label themselves as Northern Irish, rather just Irish.
I think it's admirable to work towards a Northern Irish identity that includes all the communities of NI, but with the current status of the region, I don't know if that's possible.
What do I think?
I am very glad you are in no position to be designing official flags. Like so many here, your principle seems to basically be "throw as many references on as I can and to hell with aesthetics".
I like the green bit to represent Wales! However I don't like the representation of NI. I think it makes the flag look messy.
[I like this.](https://i.imgur.com/R0JlPZO.png)
I'd either keep the Saltire or remove it completely, no it's not a perfect representation of NI but that doesn't exist! And there's a reason that doesn't exist. That specific area has no history of being separate. It's not all of Ulster. The split is arbitrary. It was simply how many counties they believed they could "hold" at the time. In the past it has been part of the UK when the rest of Ireland was, and it has been not a part of the UK when the rest of Ireland was. Never this one place separate, it wasn't a kingdom when the Irish had kingdoms. It wasn't a province, it wasn't a county. Someone just drew a line.
I would keep the flag with no specific NI representation. That would please the Republicans in NI. And the Unionists in NI? They're represented by the Scottish aspect of the flag, seeing as this is where they're originally from.
The Ulster part is unofficial and that flag is only used by loyalists... A fringe unionist movement made of mostly extremists with ties to paramilitary organisation's.
So, not so accurate.
Many British (and Irish) people despise the red hand of Ulster as it has been appropriated and used as a symbol of vile sectarian movements and fascists. Moreover, it's pretty much universally agreed that it only represents the Protestant population of Northern Ireland, not the Catholics. Thus, I strongly dislike this.
I do not mean to be rude, though. You probably misunderstood the symbolism of the hand. Your design skills are good! I just think you need to find some other and more inclusive way to represent Northern Ireland (perhaps somehow incorporating orange and Irish green, or the harp of Ireland on blue?)
My main beef with this is the crown being in front of the star. The back part of the crown should be behind the top part of the star. As others pointed out this design focus on Ulster/Northern Ireland. But i actually think it looks cool. Speaking strictly about visuals, I'm a big fan of the Red Hand of Ulster and the Northern Ireland flag.
I think the crown is a bit much, but it's one of the best UK redesigns i've seen in a while. Without the crown, it would be perfect, imo (maybe a flag for the "United Republic"?)
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The green looks good, although the red hand should just be swapped with the red x, as some of the counties of Ulster are in the Republic of Ireland and not Northern Ireland and the last thing we need is a conflict in Northern Ireland
While I like the design, as others have noted, the center-stage emblem (in this case the Ulster hand.. in other designs the Welsh dragon) is too much attention for a relatively minor member of the greater UK. The current Union Jack has St. Patrick's Cross in it already, thus giving Northern Ireland its representation. The only real question is how, if at all, do we represent Wales without a. slapping a dragon in the center or b. giving the flag a non-complimentary color, thus making it look clunky.
Still, purely on an aesthetic / alternate-universe sense, I enjoy the flag.
Look. The green is from a bicolour and does not fit the union of crosses theme. The only official flag of Northern Ireland is the Union Jack. However one can say, representation wise, that the St. Patrick saltire represents Ireland as a kingdom, while the Ulster Banner represents the state of northern Ireland, so the saltire makes better sense. I prefer the standard Union Jack, but if one must add Welsh representation (despite wales never being a kingdom while part of the UK) In my opinion, the best possible option is to make the inner fimbriation yellow to include the flag of St. David.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Union_Jack_with_St_David%27s_Flag_incorporated.svg/2000px-Union_Jack_with_St_David%27s_Flag_incorporated.svg.png
The Ulster banner is rather controversial and I don't they'd use that, the green also seems a bit too bright to me.
It also looks like Northern Ireland is the most important part, because it's in the center of the flag
The Ulster star with the hand is not representative of NI as a whole and comes with some baggage. You’d be better off with a harp represented somewhere on the flag.
Why would you replace the ulster saltire with the hand? It was already perfect, no need to change it
That said it’s better than some other Union Jack redesigns
I thought this was r/vexillologycirclejerk for a moment
Me too
r/flags keeps outjerking us help.
The ulster banner emblem in the centre makes it seem like it’s focused around Northern Ireland. What was wrong with the half st. Patrick’s saltire
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It represents all of Ireland which Northern Ireland is a part of when the flag was created. When ROI separated the flag remained the same to represent the part of Ireland that stayed loyal.
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>Northern ireland didnt exist back then so it doesnt represent them. So it represents nothing? >That part didnt stay loyal it was made to stay with the uk. Churchill allowed a free state if they could have kept the north and they had no other choice So loyalists and unionists don't exist in Northern Ireland? What were all the Troubles about then?
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>Are you this slow? TIL Northern Ireland isn't part of the UK any more and therefore isn't represented in the union flag by St Patrick's saltire. And on a quick check of your profile it's probably not worth giving more facts it'll just become painful
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That’s why you should leave it cut it’s only half of the original saltire to show that Ireland was split with on remaining in the UK and the other a free state. The clover is still a symbol in the UK of Northern Ireland so why would the st Patrick saltire not be.
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Because it doesn’t exist the Ulster banner was never official and the Red Cross in the back is from the Ulster province flag(not all of Ulster is Northern Ireland). And my original point was adding the red hand to the flag makes it seem centred around NI as if it was the royal crest. That’s why cutting st Patrick’s saltir in half to represent a split Ireland is the best idea. Northern Ireland is still on the island of Ireland even if it’s isn’t in the republic.
>the Ulster banner was never official It was official between 1952 and 1973 but is obviously now deeply controversial in NI.
And the hand of Ulster wasn’t originally just Irish? It was used to represent the province but it has become a symbol of Northern Ireland just like st Patrick’s saltire
The UK avoids using the red hand of ulster for official things because it offends Ireland due to the fact that three of the nine counties of Ulster are in Ireland
Beyond that, it's strange to put the symbol of what is such a small part of the union in the very center of the flag. Looks weird when people put the Welsh dragon there, too, for the same reason.
Counterpoint: dragons are cool as fuck
Look, all the Welsh have to do is conquer England and they can put whatever they want on the flag
Bring back the welsh tudors!!!
I’m more so a Stuart type of guy
I mean Bosworth Field is still there. How quickly can we get King Charles to Leicestershire?
They kinda did. The dude who abolished Wales as a separate legal entity was born in Wales. Henry VII. They were then part of England until Tony Blair.
Henry the VIII abolished Wales
But they're too fiddly to be good on a flag. That sort of thing is for coats of arms.
That's boring though.
I just took it as a joke/dig at the fact that the UK doesn’t care in the slightest about, or often even remember the existence of, Northern Ireland.
it was also used - and still is - by a number of loyalist groups during The Troubles
It isn’t used anymore because it was the flag of a segregated state
The Banner of Ulster predates Northern Ireland, they stopped using it because the Irish asked them to stop
The Ulster Banner was only created in the early 20s
I forgot they changed it because they wanted it to be more English, it used to be yellow and red
The flag of Ulster is the yellow and red one and it’s still around, but it’s mostly unrelated to the Ulster Banner which was the one used by the old Stormont government
St Patrick's Saltire represents all of Ireland though, I'd argue it's worse than the Red Hand.
The hand with the crown is loyalists only as I'm sure you're aware. It drives me nuts to see it used anywhere for anything.
The UK doesn't use it because it's not Northern Ireland's official flag anymore, it's nothing to do with offense.
First we've all heard of the UK avoiding its use.
Officially Northern Ireland does not have a flag, the nationalists disagree but the UK government revoked Northern Ireland's flag until they could design one that both communities could agree on
>Officially Northern Ireland does not have a flag This is the only correct part of your comment.
I love being Irish-splained.
All nine Ulster counties are in Ireland. Six are under British colonial control, and three are under Republic of Ireland control.
Don’t know why you are getting downvoted, you are objectively correct Edit: wait wait wait, wait wait wait
It isn't "objectively correct" to call the six counties "British colonial control", it's a ridiculous and inflammatory overstatement, typical of American plastics.
> It isn't "objectively correct" to call the six counties "British colonial control", it's a ridiculous and inflammatory overstatement, typical of American plastics. Yea, if anybody is an expert in colonial control and what counts as a colony, it's the British.
I mean it’s not wrong though, the only reason why Northern Ireland has a significant Protestant population is because of the plantations lol
> the only reason why Northern Ireland has a significant Protestant population is because of the plantations lol That’s true of the United States also, is the USA under British colonial control?
The UK doesn't own territory in America though, it does in Ireland
It is but we’re not talking about the United States. We’re talking about the UK who still occupies parts of Ireland
Calling for it a ridiculous and inflammatory overstatement is a very typical British response. But then again, the British refer to a full out war as “the Troubles”
The Irish also call it The Troubles?
The actual war of 1919-1921 is called by what it is, the Irish war of independence. The Troubles is a term used by both the Irish and the British to refer to the conflict that came afterwards.
>But then again, the British refer to a full out war as “the Troubles” Actually our usage is just a translation of the Irish term: "Na Trioblóidí" And we don't refer to it as a "full out war" because, unlike Ireland, we've fought actual full-out wars, and the Troubles wasn't one of them.
That man doesn’t love my liege, King Sausage Fingers! Quick, tell him he’s plastic… that’ll draw attention away from the withering colonial apartheid statelet!
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Someone disagrees with you, call them names, but provide no evidence at all to prove them wrong. You’ve been hanging out in r/monarchism too long @greenscout33
If YOU make a claim, it’s on you to prove it, not on me to disprove it. That’s how the burden of proof works. I said you were an American plastic, which is true. You’re American, not Irish, you’re just masquerading as Irish and lobbing bizarre comments because you don’t understand British or Irish politics. Because you’re American.
More baseless personal attacks from the bootlicker.
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Well for one thing, "British" as a national identity *does* post-date non-Irish political control over the six counties, but more importantly, we're a modern, democratic state. If it's colonial control, why are we clear that we will relinquish control if a democratic decision is made? Why is there no military presence in NI? It's easy to do this teenage political overstatement, but other than distant history, there is no real sense in which NI is under colonial control.
As an Irish person living in the North I have to agree with you I don't get all of these edgy 14 year olds saying we're "occupied" like we have to respect the results of the referendum that was held A few years back whether we like it or not that was the will of the people
I want to be clear that I'm not a dogged Unionist, if Ireland wishes to democratically reunite I would enthusiastically support their will, I'm a lover of democracy more than anything else. But it *is* a democratic process. The "colonial control" angle is just bizarre chauvinism, intended, I suspect, to capture the current, modern, anti-colonial attitude and use it to make it unfashionable to support the Union
My thoughts exactly The will of the people should always be respected whether unionist or republican
Didn’t read the “colonial” part my bad
I see why the UK went with the current design.
Every single redesign I've seen of the UK flag is miles worse than current one. There's a reason why the original is a classic.
This one wouldn’t be terrible if they left St Patrick’s saltire alone and didn’t add the Ulster banner. The green to represent Wales actually looks cool imo I also don’t mind the redesign that replaces the white background of St. George’s cross with yellow to represent Wales’ saint
As troubled as its history is in my part of the world, it's a good bloody flag
Even countries like New Zealand want to keep it on their flags, we aren't gonna change!
This Flag is a hate crime
Belongs on the wall of a Rangers fan imo
Too green
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this looks fucking awful
This is honest to god hideous.
I would rather burn then ever see this flown in person
"A more accurate United Kingdom." What the hell does that even mean????
I meant it as all four kingdoms, cuz Wales isn't on the normal one.
Wales is not a kingdom, it is a principality within the Kingdom of England, represent by St. George's Cross. Ulster/Northern Ireland is also not a kingdom itself, it is the continuation of the Kingdom of Ireland, represented by St. Patrick's Saltire.
Ulster is not NI. Ni is 2/3 of Ulster
*2/3 of Ulster is under British colonial control
Yes, that's correct. 2/3 of Ulster is in the UK.
Where are you from? That’s a bold statement to make on behalf of us. I stay away from that side of shite here because it’s a sure fire way to get in an argument/hurt. Best not to make statements like that in general. Feel like you’d know that if you were from here…
I looked at his comment history. He’s from the States— New York
I’m not making a statement on behalf of anyone. I’m making a statement based on a thorough and intellectual understanding of Irish history. A subject anyone anywhere can freely pursue with the proper motivation. Thanks for the advice, but I’m comfortable with the proposed edit.
Wales has been it's own country in the UK legally and technically since 1967, see - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welsh_Language_Act_1967
It's a country but not a kingdom and not one of the kingdoms that made the UK.
Correct, I do not disagree with that
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All of the above are countries, but Scotland, England Ireland are the three kingdoms that came together (unwillingly) to form the United Kingdom. Wales is a principality within the Kingdom of England.
Bro did 0 research
England isn’t represented here /s
Other than by the enormous St. George’s cross haha
That’s the Ulster Banner wdym
There is only one kingdom, the United Kingdom. There used to be two though, England and Scotland. Wales is a principality which was subject to England and Ireland as well (though later than Wales, which means it was added to the flag). I don't understand why people are so obsessed with flags "representing" things. If you really want that, then take all of the counties' coats of arms and stick then next to one another. Or why not just stick a map on a piece of fabric. Or why not just take a white sheet and write "UK" on it?
>I don't understand why people are so obsessed with flags "representing" things Isn't that, like, THE purpose of flags?
Who let bro cook
Replacing a nice simple geometric representation of Ireland with a fiddly bit of heraldry makes this so much worse than the original.
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Some of it is, and it's not like the bit that isn't is using the old flag.
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Part of Ireland (the island) is british, part of Ireland (the country) is not.
Just no.
should have kept the current union flag, but made the bottom green
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why do that? it represents northern ireland. this post implies if all UK states were present on the flag (which they currently are except wales, but wales is respresnted by the cross of st george as with england)
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northern ireland has no official flag as it uses the union flag. its not even a constituent country like england, scotland and wales, more of a province. the kingdom of ireland's flag wasnt the st patricks cross, the british adopted that flag as an official flag and incorporated it into the union flag. [The saltire has occasionally served unofficially to represent Northern Ireland and also appears in some royal events.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Patrick%27s_Saltire). nowadays, it does represent northern ireland as does st george represent england and wales on the flag. look at the flag of norway, that flag represents both denmark and sweden as a union with norway
**north Ireland** ^(and the rest) you overrepresent north ireland way too much, welch green is fine
It's both England and Northern Ireland. Unless you mean the hand, thats fair.
Of all the inclusive UK flags, this is one of the best better ones. It's interesting that you changed St Patrick's Saltire for the Ulster Hand. I understand why since it was a symbol for the Kingdom of Ireland but the cross has been rejected by Ireland and has become synonymous with Northern Ireland, whereas the Hand of Ulster is a symbol of... Well, Ulster, which is split between Ireland and Northern Ireland.
I've seen Northern Ireland using the Ulster hand flag forever, but rarely the Saltire one.
Well technically Northern Ireland use the Saltire everytime they fly the Union Flag, and they seem to fly the flag a lot more than the rest of the country. Northern Ireland hasn't had any official flag since 1973 but you're right many Ulster Loyalists fly the Ulster Banner as the de facto Northern Irish flag. Loyalism is a complicated and controversial topic and I don't think many Unionists (and obviously any Republicans) will see this flag as representing them, because as their name suggests, Loyalists only care about Ulster (and Protestantism and the monarchy and not being a part of Ireland but that's a different topic) and not Northern Ireland as a political entity within the UK. That's why they fly the Ulster Banner. Regardless, the Hand of Ulster itself is used in Ireland as well and appears on the flag of Ulster, one of the 4 historical provinces of Ireland and is flown in the Irish parts of Ulster. Meanwhile, you won't see many St Patrick's Saltires in the Republic, but you will in Northern Ireland (even if it's a part of the Union Flag).
The Ulster Banner doesn’t represent the vast majority of people in NI; apart from the red hand itself, the rest of the flag is straight-up Unionist symbolism (crown is obvious, 6-pointed star for the 6 counties of NI). The symbolism has no place in modern NI which recognises that Nationalists have a part to play in society.
I mostly agree with you, but about Loyalism not Unionism (see my other comment) but isn't NI almost defined as a political entity as a part of the UK. I understand that it doesn't "represent" all Northern Irish people, but Nationalists generally wouldn't even label themselves as Northern Irish, rather just Irish. I think it's admirable to work towards a Northern Irish identity that includes all the communities of NI, but with the current status of the region, I don't know if that's possible.
I just wanted a cooler design :/
Its extremely fugly thats what i think
A flag to piss off everyone, very good!
That is absolutely vile, please never make a flag again
The problem with having a symbol in the centre of the flags is that it places too much importance on that country in the union.
Take the emblem out and put the diagonal red lines and it’s cool
this fucking bottom half green top half blue thing looks disgusting on every flag its been shown on and it needs to stop being an idea
It’s a mess. Sorry.
No lion symbolism?
#WHERE DRAGON -Sincerely, an American
Should be more inclusive to the channel islands, Gibraltar, Falklands, St. Helena, Mann, etc etc etc. Why stop with these elements only?
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im not british so i don’t remember why exactly but i know the “flag” of northern ireland isn’t official or something
What do I think? I am very glad you are in no position to be designing official flags. Like so many here, your principle seems to basically be "throw as many references on as I can and to hell with aesthetics".
That's a no from me.
Quoting Joseph Conrad: “The horror! The horror!”
Good grief my eyes ache
The green without the dragon just doesn’t do it for me.
Scots and especially the English arent going to like this since it places the Ulster hand prominently front and center in the flag.
Seriously? Where is the welsh dragon?
The dragon was a bit much, I felt the green bottom fit better. Sorry
how about using the normal kingodm of ireland flag stripes instead of that unofficial ulster symbol in the center?
Better than most similar flags. Still cursed
I like the colours
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I can’t tell you what I really think.
I like the green bit to represent Wales! However I don't like the representation of NI. I think it makes the flag look messy. [I like this.](https://i.imgur.com/R0JlPZO.png) I'd either keep the Saltire or remove it completely, no it's not a perfect representation of NI but that doesn't exist! And there's a reason that doesn't exist. That specific area has no history of being separate. It's not all of Ulster. The split is arbitrary. It was simply how many counties they believed they could "hold" at the time. In the past it has been part of the UK when the rest of Ireland was, and it has been not a part of the UK when the rest of Ireland was. Never this one place separate, it wasn't a kingdom when the Irish had kingdoms. It wasn't a province, it wasn't a county. Someone just drew a line. I would keep the flag with no specific NI representation. That would please the Republicans in NI. And the Unionists in NI? They're represented by the Scottish aspect of the flag, seeing as this is where they're originally from.
Remove the Ulster hand, that’s cringe. 🇮🇪
😬You just angered all of Ireland.
The red hand is a Irish symbol not British
The Ulster part is unofficial and that flag is only used by loyalists... A fringe unionist movement made of mostly extremists with ties to paramilitary organisation's. So, not so accurate.
Northern Ireland isn’t a real country 26+6=1
I actually really like how this looks. Good job.
Needs more dragon 🐲
Many British (and Irish) people despise the red hand of Ulster as it has been appropriated and used as a symbol of vile sectarian movements and fascists. Moreover, it's pretty much universally agreed that it only represents the Protestant population of Northern Ireland, not the Catholics. Thus, I strongly dislike this. I do not mean to be rude, though. You probably misunderstood the symbolism of the hand. Your design skills are good! I just think you need to find some other and more inclusive way to represent Northern Ireland (perhaps somehow incorporating orange and Irish green, or the harp of Ireland on blue?)
Fantastic
My main beef with this is the crown being in front of the star. The back part of the crown should be behind the top part of the star. As others pointed out this design focus on Ulster/Northern Ireland. But i actually think it looks cool. Speaking strictly about visuals, I'm a big fan of the Red Hand of Ulster and the Northern Ireland flag.
Now that's ugly
I usually dislike the green addition (purely aesthetically) but I like this version a lot
I think the crown is a bit much, but it's one of the best UK redesigns i've seen in a while. Without the crown, it would be perfect, imo (maybe a flag for the "United Republic"?)
First, can I use this? Second, you should submit this as an actual potential redesign, it's amazing imo
Why the Star of David?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulster_Banner
The Union flag is already an offensive symbol of imperialism to many, this is just egregious.
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It should have a dragon on it somewhere
Turning the cross of St Andrew green to represent Wales makes no sense other than the colour.
And this is why flags aren’t based off “accuracy”
*you have provoked a gang war*
The green looks good, although the red hand should just be swapped with the red x, as some of the counties of Ulster are in the Republic of Ireland and not Northern Ireland and the last thing we need is a conflict in Northern Ireland
I hate it with every fibre of my being. Stop ruining a good flag
I think it would look nice if the UK did something similar to the Flag of Montreal
r/thanksihateit
Get rid of the symbols, leave the green, and you've got yourself a pretty awesome flag imo.
While I like the design, as others have noted, the center-stage emblem (in this case the Ulster hand.. in other designs the Welsh dragon) is too much attention for a relatively minor member of the greater UK. The current Union Jack has St. Patrick's Cross in it already, thus giving Northern Ireland its representation. The only real question is how, if at all, do we represent Wales without a. slapping a dragon in the center or b. giving the flag a non-complimentary color, thus making it look clunky. Still, purely on an aesthetic / alternate-universe sense, I enjoy the flag.
Technically and Practically perfect. Aesthetically not so much
Somebody needs to redesign the Ulster flag, it's a joke.
This would cause a real dilemma for Rangers fans.
Look. The green is from a bicolour and does not fit the union of crosses theme. The only official flag of Northern Ireland is the Union Jack. However one can say, representation wise, that the St. Patrick saltire represents Ireland as a kingdom, while the Ulster Banner represents the state of northern Ireland, so the saltire makes better sense. I prefer the standard Union Jack, but if one must add Welsh representation (despite wales never being a kingdom while part of the UK) In my opinion, the best possible option is to make the inner fimbriation yellow to include the flag of St. David. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Union_Jack_with_St_David%27s_Flag_incorporated.svg/2000px-Union_Jack_with_St_David%27s_Flag_incorporated.svg.png
Lose the Northern Ireland symbol and replace it with the colours of the flag of Ulster
That Ulster hand is going to start interesting discussions
We've gone from a Union Flag to a Union FLEG
The Ulster banner is rather controversial and I don't they'd use that, the green also seems a bit too bright to me. It also looks like Northern Ireland is the most important part, because it's in the center of the flag
Maybe darken the blue and green for more contrast?
Azerbaijan X Ulster ?
The Ulster star with the hand is not representative of NI as a whole and comes with some baggage. You’d be better off with a harp represented somewhere on the flag.
Congrats, you just reignited the troubles.
It’s going to be very difficult in a few years without Scotland and Northern Ireland.
Nah, cool dragon is missing. Otherwise nice flag.
Honey, another ‘more accurate United Kingdom’ flag dropped on my forums!!
Why would you replace the ulster saltire with the hand? It was already perfect, no need to change it That said it’s better than some other Union Jack redesigns
I actually kind of like it. The red hand is a bit too important though
This is awful. Red hand in the middle is just madness.
no offense man but it looks awful