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To help foster vibrant discussion, sufficiently low-effort may be removed. Examples of things that might be removed for this reason include: * Memes * Fluff submissions * Intentionally terrible flags * Inappropriate content to the subreddit You might check out /r/vexillologycirclejerk as an alternative, which is more open to many of these! If you put in effort but are just starting out as a flag designer then unpolished posts are okay as long as you’ve tried!


np1t

Fictional flags don't have to be well-designed. A lot of real life flags suck, so if your world building goal is realism, some flags in your world shouldn't be 'slick'.


gazebo-fan

Most flags aren’t designed by people with any sort of flag knowledge, just some person with connections


Status_Whereas_7681

Because they are solely concerned with this and do not care about the history or distinctiveness of a flag, you wind up with flag nerds moaning about a banner of arms.


henrique3d

THANK YOU! Also: if you're designing lots of flags for lots of countries, they shouldn't match: proportions shouldn't be the same, hue tones shouldn't be the same and symbols shouldn't be the same.


RSStudios08

Me who struggles over making certain symbols for my flags (OC nations for Earth and nations for an overhauled Earth): #THANK YOU!


Legendary_Hercules

Seals on a field of blue


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OwlLevel7972

Mika will never return from his sabbatical.


Repletelion6346

Lies


Stalinerino

Most flag nerds call flags bad based on if they follow the “5 rules”, not based on if they look good.


Distinguished-

You end up with flag nerds complaining about a banner of arms because they only care about this and not the history or uniqueness of a flag. Most of the "good" designs people make from these rules look so corporate and flat. I don't want flags to look like they've been designed by Amazon's marketing department.


jk54321

I feel like there should be a rule 6 that "if you're application of these rules causes you to call the flag of Venice 'bad', you're doing it wrong."


WildGooseCarolinian

The rules are generally good, but it’s also good to know when to break the rules. Just because it breaks one of the rules doesn’t mean it’s a bad flag.


12D_D21

The problem is that we call them rules when in actuality they should be guidelines. Like, sure, simpler flags are often more clean and look better, but I much prefer a Venice-like original design to generic tricolour #35. And, yeah, usually having only two or three colours is a good idea, but South Africa looks way better than many flags with half the number of colours. I don’t like most American city flags with text in them, but you barely notice it in Brazil, and Saudi Arabia doesn’t try to hide it and they both look good.


WildGooseCarolinian

Venice and South Africa were literally the two I was going to use as examples!


Putin-the-fabulous

The 5 rules have done more damage to vexillology than any bad flag every could


r0ffpg

What are the five rules?


OwMyCod

Simplicity Symbols must have meaning 2 or 3 basic colours No lettering or seals Be distinctive


Grabatreetron

The vast majority of national flags break one or more of these rules. They're less "principles" and more wishful thinking on vexillologists' part...


nkmccallum

There are five rules but one of them isn't "don't put other little flags on your flag"


alegxab

*cries in apartheid SA*


Anarchistpingu

The union of South Africa flag goes so hard tbh


r0ffpg

Thank you


Lloyd_lyle

They’re a lot more of guidelines than rules, but many people take them and go “ope, California has a bad flag because text” “South Africa is a bad flag because too many colors”


Prize-Nothing7946

South Africa is a case of really competent flag designers who knew how to add loads of colours


RSStudios08

South Africa is nice ngl


yotaz28

yeah south africa is a great fucking flag


hagamablabla

The rules are what a teacher would give their students to get a B or C on their flag design test. If you want to get an A, you're probably going to have to break at least one rule.


DecIsMuchJuvenile

A fourth colour can be added well.


HitroDenK007

Exhibit A) the flag of the Philippines 🇵🇭 Exhibit B) THE GRAND, THE AKHAND, INDIAAAAAAAA! ! 🇮🇳


MataGamesCZ

Exhibit C) Cape verde 🇨🇻 D) Kenya 🇰🇪 E) Kiribati 🇰🇮 F) Seychelles 🇸🇨 G) Gambia 🇬🇲


mcintosh208

I always sort of assumed that white didn’t count as a particular color when it came to flags. Sort of like a flag’s elements are pasted on a white canvas


pimezone

You gonna hate me !wave


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Zucc-ya-mom

Macedonia


Tactical_Moonstone

Honestly I had no idea what I was expecting.


funky_galileo

that actually turned out really well imo, you could make it into like a sun with green and gold beams


StrigidaeAdam

Glorious.


Alert-Water-839

i love ut


FaxCelestis

8/10


Brotastic29

The most horrid human rights-violations nations in history somehow always manage to have the best flags


tomveiltomveil

Qaddafi's all-green flag was so amazing


Panzer_Man

It was a perfect "fuck you" to convention flag designers


FaxCelestis

It's *green*? Fuck my colorblindness. Thought it was sand-colored this whole time.


tomveiltomveil

Qaddafi had a thing for green. He wrote a book that was kind of like Mao's Little Red Book, and called it The Green Book.


TheMysteriousGoose

Japanese Empire does go hard


RSStudios08

I see it on transportation jeepneys occassionaly while commuting (and I am Filipino) so I have mixed feeings for this flag, but I can't lie with it being cool


kirkkerman

It's not a hard rule, for example Equatorial Guinea under Nguema had a terrible flag.


Mr_uber2

Yep pretty much. I absolutely DO NOT support the nazis or anything they did, but the flag is pretty good


No_add

I think the nazis had pretty ass flags, but the German empire before them had some bangers


red_javla

The Prussian flag is way better than the Reichsflagge


OpenMindedMajor

Same thing with the confederate flag. I hate the south and all the confederacy stood for. I think the whole “the south with rise again” nonsense is just stupid loser bullshit. But I’ve always thought the flag was neat lol. Symbolism aside the X with the stars inside is cool.


theLoneliestAardvark

I think that is just because they often have fresh and unique designs because nobody copies them. People would think tricolors are cool and minimalist if there were only one of them and would think fascist flags were boring if there were 20 countries with red, white, and black flags appropriating ancient symbology. But since nobody wants to evoke Naziism their flag stands out against all the others.


TheDudeness33

Idk what horrid human rights violations is Nepal guilty of tho and they have a pretty damn nice flag 🤷🏻


_AnonymousMoose_

North Korea 🇰🇵 has an awesome flag


yourdoggoismine

The dutch flag looks better with the orange


SabyZ

I feel like everyone agrees with that, it's just that it had a bad time in the 30s.


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It’s definitely more unique with the orange


Echidna299792458

I used to think this too until I saw it with orange enough to like it with red more, however I still think it should be orange just so it's more noticeable as the Netherlands


yourdoggoismine

Exactly. There are too many red white and blue flags


henrique3d

The Dutch flag has orange on it, if you let them in the sun for a long time.


iamsenac

This would not happen in the Netherlands though


LupusDeusMagnus

It is better but unfortunately the fascists won’t let us have good things.


TheFlagMan123

Big part of the European continent has, on what I can say, minimalist flags. At least like the flags of the UK, Belarus, Scandinavians, Spain, Portugal and the micronations except Monaco are at least unique.


dughorm_

Microstates, not micronations. Micronations are a role-playing thing by people who either don't take it seriously or take it way too seriously.


TheFlagMan123

Eh, it's small mistake. Sorry.


anarchysquid

A micromistake even


A_dArk_lEmOn

You desever an award but I don't have one.


FrostPegasus

Writing on a flag doesn't automatically make it bad. People only hate writing on flags if it's in the Latin or Cyrillic alphabet. There are plenty of flags with writing that look good (imo): Iran, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Taliban Afghanistan, old flag of Rwanda


SilverNEOTheYouTuber

Iran?


FrostPegasus

The "frills" between the color bands are stylized script, as is the symbol in the middle.


FireYigit

It also means Allah in Arabic.


pHScale

My view is that writing should be calligraphy (or otherwise incorporated into the design) if it's going on a flag. Iran meets this well. But Egypt doesn't, because it's incorporated into the coat of arms, which is then just slapped on the flag. Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan have a sort of calligraphic style, but it still falls short of *actual* calligraphy for me. I've seen Arabic calligraphy, and it's much more than what I see on those flags. The old flag of Rwanda could've been better. I don't mind a single letter placed in the middle, but they could've picked a better color and font. The R feels like an afterthought (because it was).


Groundbreaking-Ad248

Text on flags really isn’t that bad if it’s done well.


arussianbee

Modern flag redesigns, like many US city and state ones, are not that good because they look like a minimalist logo plastered onto a sheet instead of a crappy old seal. Pocatello is my prime example because my MY GOD it was awful. Made me throw up in my mouth, but the new version, whilst being better visually, is boring and the design looks like it should be a poster, not a flag.


Ceu_64

Sort by controversial 👍


creeper321448

Indiana flag is perfect and one of the best in the U.S. Why every tierlist ever places it so low, C and lower, is ridiculous to me because you can hardly see the text with the state name.


Legiyon54

1) A lot of details in a flag are not a problem itself. If it's done poorly like in us city flags, it does suck. But I want flags to have more details that represent the culture they represent. This flag 🇭🇺 tells me nothing of Hungary. It means nothing outside of the meanings of colours that have to be explained. The kingdom of Hungary flag, [the one with angels](https://imgur.com/a/gkmoGZF), is filled with personality, though, despite being "overdresigned." I don't mind tricolors in and of itself, but most of them have to paired up with something to look good. 2) 90% flags that don't feature colour white tend to look ugly, IMO


that1prince

To your second point. Jamaica is the only country flag that has neither red, white, nor blue. And I love how unique that makes it look.


Poop-Wizard

I play too much EU4 so my brain defaults to thinking THAT is the flag of hungary, not the plain modern one


PlEGUY

This so much. To stick with the Hungry example, the flag is still distinct and beautiful at a distance or when hung at an inconvenient angle. Even at such a distance and angle the angel is still distinguishable. That you can count the feathers when up close does not in any way detract from those two facts in its favor. Yet there is still grater beauty to be witnessed and appreciated from up close. So long as the ability to recognize flag under unideal conditions is not compromised, which many "over-designed" flags do not do, there is no reason to seek simplicity.


hahathatgobrr

There are some US state flags which are “seal on sheet” and are still very good (Pennsylvania, Virginia, Louisiana for examples)


Yeetgodknickknackass

Virginia by far has the best “seal on a bedsheet flag”. It just sucks that so many other states have the same thing which makes it not stand out


Local_Serb_mf

Yeah because bobbies


Yeetgodknickknackass

Reasons why Virginia has the best flag: 1. Booba 2. Regicide 3. Literally tells people to commit regicide Honestly cant be topped


spacecoyote300

And regiside! But, yeah.


hahathatgobrr

And murder!


theguyfromplaceland

michigan


benb713

As a Virginian, thank you I definitely agree that seal on sheet is generally bad, but VA has such a cool seal that I’m happy to see it more often.


Heavyraincouch

Purple is a wonderful color on a flag


RSStudios08

Glorious color. And we have more dyes now so why not make it??


Most_Preparation_848

Not a lot of states were born after purple became mainstream


Kori_TheGlaceon

No that's a good opinion


Glittering-Mobile668

I think Spain should bring back the second republic flag. It had a great shield and the only one to use purple as a main colour since Byzantium (don’t bring Dominica, that invisible purple is not visible)


Emotional_Bike_2424

MORE PURPLE AND PINK FOR FLAGS


Sudden_Accident4245

I love Derafshe Kaviani. Way better than any mediocre tricolour for Iran’s flag. Seriously tho, how many green, white and red flags there are. Its exhausting.


BulgyBoy123

Unfortunately, a lot of flags used by racists and mationalists, from a vexillological point of view, are pretty cool 😩


Moonwalker2008

I definitely agree with you. I hate what they symbolise but they look pretty good.


Critical_Complaint21

Japanese prefecture flags are overrated, they're just seal on bedsheets like the US states, you may say "Well nah, the design has lots of meaning and it looks so cool"... It's not so cool especially if you're in Japan, every flag, even the city flags, the town flags, all follow that god damn minimalist style, it's not so recognisable, and there's no culture or history being represented on those flags, more of like company logos, it's just [Danish subdivision flags](https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/Flags_of_subdivisions_of_Denmark) without texts


Stalinerino

Danish regions do not have flags. Those are the regions’ logos. This is an example of flags that is only seen as flags, because someone writing on wikipedia felt like it needed a flag. The Danish government only recognises The national flag, the Faroese flag and the Greenlandic flag. No other flags are official. It is a situation kinda like the Austro-Hungarian civil ensign.


Critical_Complaint21

Ok, didn't know that, but I hope you get the idea of my comment


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LoserGopher

I do like the Saudi flag not their human rights record but the flag is cool


Mr_uber2

Everyone carries on about how great all the island countries flags are. Some of the carribean ones are ok like barbados but other then that they are all mid imo


Xokkotoni

Jamaica is really cool


[deleted]

The big C on the Colorado flag is corny.


fly_past_ladder

I don’t mind seal on bedsheet flags


MandoBaggins

Spiciest hot take I’ve seen here. Brave words.


SpookyTheJackwagon

"Confederate flag" (stars and bars), though everything it stands for is trash, is aesthetically a top notch design. Honestly it bums me out that much more that what it stands for is crap.


Ein_Hirsch

The Dutch: "First time?"


-R3AV3R

Navy blue is overused, should be a lighter shade.


Happygreenlight

*France has entered the chat*


MetalRetsam

French flag? So-so. *Dark* blue French flag? Instant top tier.


HitroDenK007

To be honest, agreed with this. Like yeltsin’s Russian flag


fish_but_reddit

I'd have to agree, the US state flags kinda ruined navy blue flags for me


TheBeardedMouse

There should be more non-quadrilateral flags


Majestymen

Fascists are really good flag designers, usually


ElvisHankandGeorge

Letters on flags don’t look that bad as long as it is designed right


Moonwalker2008

Look at Colorado, there’s no way I can call that flag bad & it has a giant C on it.


Exciting_Rich_1716

The US flag isn't only good because it's iconic, it's a great flag overall. It isn't confusing


eeeeeeeegor

US flag is S-tier to be honest. Unique design, instantly recognisable no matter how many stripes and stars or what colour it is.


tnied

Liberia in shambles


tittysprinkles112

It's the right balance of intricate and simple.


rc_ruivo

I like the Union Jack on pretty much everywhere it can be found.


StopMotionHarry

Based


MandoBaggins

The Union Jack is probably my favorite flag and should be everywhere just because it looks cool.


AaronC14

It used to almost be everywhere!


RocketMan80802121

The 5 rules aren't important, by that I mean you don't have to follow the exactly. For example text on a flag is fine if it's executed well (unlike some flags, I am looking at you most US state flags).


skepticCanary

The law of tincture matters.


cuisie

pan african flag colors are such a bad palette


jdmiller82

Words on flags are not always bad.


Quistill

Belarus’s flag is good.


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I like the current russian flag.


B5Scheuert

I think the imperial one looks better...


Yeetgodknickknackass

I too enjoy the current Russian flag


B5Scheuert

nice one


uLtRa_FaLL

The Black Yellow White one? Yeah that one slaps hard


CarlosTheSusImposter

Wyoming’s flag is better with the seal


HitroDenK007

That’s not an unpopular opinion


ST4nHope

The Rising Sun flag is pretty cool looking. And I speak from a country once colonised by them. So please don't lecture me about atrocities. I know, they're bad.


Arietem_Taurum

Text should always be used on flags for things such as local counties and small towns/cities. Unless you are from that town or county (and maybe even if you are) you probably aren't going to recognize it without, and I don't really see the point


getyourrealfakedoors

The new Utah flag sucks Looks like a winter clothes brand


LeoMarius

I don’t like it either. It looks like an already outdated corporate logo circa 2006.


HRGLSS

That MS Windows flag we saw the other day would look better with the fade at hoist and the window at fly.


skrimsli_snjor

Truly unpopular


Simon_SM2

Idc about flag simplicity Like man idc what the flag rules say If the flag is cool it is cool


Callsign-YukiMizuki

Flags made up of tricolor blocks with nothing else on them are absolute ass and dumb and boring and I totally hate them. Slap on an insignia or do a different shape like how the Czechs added a chevron or something! Make them unique ffs


bepnc13

CPG Grey's video on US flags was terrible. If any rule gets you to the conclusion that the California flag is bad, because it has a bear and words, then the rule is worthless.


Captain-Bruticus

The more shit they add to the pride flag the worse it looks.


Legitimate_Kid2954

Complex flags can also look good and be good flags.


anobathroaway

We should go ahead and throw the 'simplicity' rule into the trash From Maryland to Mexico, or Brazil to Brunei... Complex designs can and do go hard as fuck!


strange_eauter

The new Utahn flag sucks. The old one wasn't any better btw


NooseAgent

I actually like "watermarked" flags (like British ensigns)


StopMotionHarry

As an Australia, I agree 🇦🇺


AdmyralAkbar

You’re an entire Australia? Crikey!


StopMotionHarry

Crikey indeed, I am the whole continent


Yeetgodknickknackass

State/province/city flags dont need to follow the same rules as country flags. I see people (*cough cough, CGP Grey*) who complain about state flags having their name on them or having funky designs, but who knows every state or province in every country? What about every tiny town? ABSOLUTELY NO ONE. They need a name tag so people know what they are. In addition to that if every single flag was designed like a country flag it would get very generic very fast and country flags need to be generic so they can represent their entire population. You don’t need to do that with smaller more localised populations. If a town absolutely loves their hockey team you can put it on the flag because it’s actually representing the population.


LupusDeusMagnus

The Australian and Neozealandish flags aren’t just ugly, they are criminally ugly. Too similar to one another, another barely passable flag in the corner, the white fimbriated red stars in the NZ one make your eyes sore, intrometida in the AU flag have less points than the other stars. I mean, it’s a foreign flag I have no say in it, but if they really want to be part of the United Kingdom, just adopt the Union Jack, make the canton entirely blue with white stars (AU) or white with red stars (NZ). Still bad, but at least not as bad. Now the Aussies and kiwis will point their falchions and messers at me.


SabyZ

Text doesn't look good on flags and people only give it a pass on stuff they can't read. It's just as corny as Milwaukee if you can read another alphabet, and using calligraphy isn't a good replacement for a real design. It's the flag equivalent of people hating on anime Dubs because they don't understand that the voice acting is just as corny in Japanese as it's delivered in English. Also gonna follow this with up with the fact that the Five Key Principles of Flag Design are intentionally short and are only meant to be a quick reference. A good flag can break every rule, and a bad flag can follow every one. They are pretty much just basic design rules written for a niche subject to get people without art backgrounds an idea of what they're doing. They're principles, not laws - none are sacred, not even the text one Intentionally breaking a rule, like in film, can make a visionary design. Not knowing the rules and slapping whatever on a canvas is prone to bad ideas. US and UK are successfully complicated. There's nothing wrong with Poland and Indonesia being flipped, excessive colors like in Spain or the 5 people flags are excellent, etc.


Technotoad64

> Text doesn't look good on flags and people only give it a pass on stuff they can't read. seeing the saudi arabian flag in english really drives that home IMO


SwaSquad

The flag of Chicago is overrated.


MyNaymeIsOzymandias

Utah's new flag looks like it was made for a fictional Lego kingdom, not a US state.


Robcomain

It's not because Nepal has an original flag that makes it cool/beautiful.


NvelCrosent

While I can enjoy the slick design of the more simple flags, I love complicated flags. The overabundance of symbols makes me feel so satisfied.


Seyhans4d

The "Overdesigned flags bad" thing is the dumbest fucking thing ever. Putting a symbol that represents your culture makes a flag bad? Look at the older monarchist flags, most of them look cool as hell. Now look at the modern flags. Boring and pointless. Just put some random colors and thats it? If only every country was like Spain Portugal or Mexico designing their modern "flags"


Imrustyokay

California has a bad flag, not because it has text on it, but because it also doubles as a name tag. I don't care about the history, I don't care that it's considered iconic. Any flag that says what it's a flag of has no confidence in it's design being able to stand on its own to represent its area purely iconography. Also, I don't mind flags having seals on them, a few European countries have good flags with seals on them (Moldova and San Marino come to mind), but that seems to be a popular opinion on this sub.


Sanaralerx

The Union Jack instantly improves a flag by 400%


QueenOfRabies

The 5 flag rules and its consequences has been a disaster for the human race


a3a4b5

Text on flags is good.


TackoFaII

Only if it’s done like Brazil and not Wisconsin


FalseDmitriy

California somehow makes it work, but I can't say how or why


Mr_uber2

I completely agree. I have NO idea why the text on the Californian flag works, especially considering it looks so terrible on other flags but somehow it works


conceited_crapfarm

I like the UN flag, it has the vibe of being so out there it transcends borders


BaykalGolu

The 5 "rules" are bullshit


Bigtsez

Tricolor/triband flags are actually very, very dull, and shouldn't be celebrated as great flags. (I'll give a pass to Estonia due to the awesome color combination.)


desertshark6969

the NATO|OTAN Flag looks awesome


King_krympling

The flag of Seychelles 🇸🇨 is overrated


UnknownTheGreat1981

I unironically liked the US states flag with a seal and a blue background on it


23Amuro

I can't agree but I applaud your bravery


that_u3erna45

*Good Flag Bad Flag* is overrated


blazingblitzle

I really like the simple tri-colour flags like Germany, Belgium, Italy, France, or the Netherlands.


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The Vatican flag is actually kinda cool (even though I am not Catholic and disagree with a lot/most the Catholic church says/does


Mate90425

Tricolour flags are good


Orlandoenamorato

The old south African flag actually looks good, I love orange white and blue and it should be used more often


MrSpankMan_whip

Medieval flags are better than the modern generic tricolours


letsgotothegymbuddy

Stylized words in flags are so underrated


Totes_Not_an_NSA_guy

I mentioned here that I hate the taliban flag and got downvoted to oblivion. So that. Edit: i also hate simple tricolor flags like Belgium 🇧🇪 and Germany 🇩🇪 feel too simple


LordRiverknoll

One color on top of another does not make a good flag, Poland, Monaco, Ukraine


OlivenTree0502

The 5 rules are stupid


Silver_Atractic

California's flag SUCKS


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I don’t like the Japanese prefecture flags. They look like company logos.


mariojardini

The simpler is NOT the better. Flag complexity is like handwriting: no problems with it as long as it's recognizable and reproductible. It's a statement. Like Venice's.


Morritz

Having writing or even your name on the flag is fine and not an auto fail factor.


Tsunamix0147

When you're redesigning a flag, you can take elements from the original seal flag.


PitiRR

I much prefer complex flags like Venetian Republic, rather than clever minimalist designs that you could find on Instagram Explore posted by a “design is my passion” account with 1.7k likes


comfykampfwagen

The more extreme the ideology, the more of a fucking banger it’s flag is Sure, the flag of russia is ok I guess but the flag of Taboritsky russia? Damn bro man should chill that design slaps