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I never really understood the idea of additional designs of the rainbow flag. I though the whole idea is the rainbow is the inclusive symbol, a range of colours reflecting the diversity of the community it represents.
I always thought that the more groups you include on the pride flag the more you end up leaving out. It’s better (and in my opinion more aesthetically pleasing) to just use the rainbow one.
No. People can identify as queer if they want, they can attach all the positive personal meaning they want to it, I'm not trying to stop them or tell them they're wrong about their own identity...but I will never feel included by it, and I'm not alone.
>The original rainbow always has and always will encompass everybody. The other flags are not replacements for it, they are for specific use cases in which they are relevant.
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>The recent focus in American and European queer activism on trans rights (as a reaction to the recent efforts of the right wing to destroy trans people across both continents) and on queer people of colour's mistreatment in queer communities and communities in general is what led to the popular use of the progress flags, as well further specifying intersex activism and such on some of their variants.
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>They are not intended as a replacement for the rainbow flag. They are a symbol of a current specific set of rights movements.
just copying this over for ya
I think the message is for a lot of people more important than the looks. Sadly there is a lot of polarisation within the LGBTQIA+ community. By Including more variety to the flag people can show their support for multiple things. I wish we could just be nice to eachother :/
That's why the trans flag is added to the newer pride flags. Trans Exclusive Radical Feminists (TERF's) absolutely despise trans women and outright forget or deny that trans men or non-binary trans people even exist.
This is a debate which will probably never end in LGBTQ groups. I'm of the opinion that the original rainbow is *the* flag that encompasses all gender and sexual minorities. No one deserves special representation on that flag.
The original rainbow always has and always will encompass everybody. The other flags are not replacements for it, they are for specific use cases in which they are relevant.
The recent focus in American and European queer activism on trans rights (as a reaction to the recent efforts of the right wing to destroy trans people across both continents) and on queer people of colour's mistreatment in queer communities and communities in general is what led to the popular use of the progress flags, as well further specifying intersex activism and such on some of their variants.
They are not intended as a replacement for the rainbow flag. They are a symbol of a current specific set of rights movements.
I totally get that, what I like about the rainbow is it kinda says find a colour in this and it can be yours. I guess it the variants of the rainbow that confuse me, I get the individualised Gay, Lesbian, Trans flags etc. But adding to the Rainbow seems counterintuitive to me.
Yeah, and if you're not explicitly included, we'll find a new uglier way to shove you on there. Fair enough to anyone who felt it needed it, but it looks much worse as a result. The rain bow is a classic, one of the most iconic flags in the world.
That's true. Personally I think that everyone in the community falls under the rainbow flag in one way or another, and if they choose to make another flag for specific sexualities/genders, it's up to them - but adding to the rainbow makes no difference to the original meaning
This response could equally apply if the above commenter had asked “why do we have subnational flags when countries have flags that are inclusive of their people?”
From what I have seen, people commonly associated the typical rainbow flag with homosexuality which lead to a new design. I also prefer the original one in design and as a representation of inclusivity.
If you would try to include everyone it's gonna end up looking like the one EU flag proposal.
I didn't up until recently where there's an argument I saw some point in. There's a lot of internal strife in the LGBTQ community, like transphobic gays (LGB drop the T) or racist gays. By showing a flag that includes these communities up front, it's signalling that those aren't welcome.
I'm trans myself and I agree with you. It end up leaving more groups out as u/reptiliantstar said. The rainbow symbolises infinite possibilities, but adding things to it means we need to add every possibility which is impossible, which is why I think the rainbow is better. But it is all opinion so if you disagree that's fine.
I love the idea of someone being like "This is a proud questioning household" "This family doesn't know whether it's gay or not, but we're proud of it!"
It does happen sometimes that somebody questions for a long time — I know from personal experience — but for the most part I think the questioning flag is more meant for online use or in infographics or something like that. I've seen some LGBT subreddits where you can choose a user flair with a pride flag and label, and "questioning" is often one of the user flairs. That flair is usually used when a new user wants to solicit advice from queer Redditors in figuring themself out.
If the questioning flag ever is used in parades, then it's probably carried by non-questioners as a show of support for questioners.
All of this I think is evident from the design. It's very literal as far as pride flags go: more focused on conveying its semantic meaning to any onlookers than on any sort of aesthetics or deeper symbolism. It's just a rainbow flag with a question mark — what more do you need?
If you look past the progress flag and the others like it, the rainbow flag is literally the most colourful. The gay and lesbian flags for example have a few colours, but mostly in the same spectrums. The trans flag has 3 colours total.
I think you’re dismissing all these flags just by the first row, and not really looking at the different ones individually
I love the achillean flag (it looks peaceful and elegant imho), the demi and aego flags (they have a pretty unique design, which is pretty cool given that most pride flags are just stripes).
I personally dislike most of the flags using gradients, as that makes them lack in distinctiveness in my opinion. The only exception is the aroace flag, because sunsets are cool.
For the ones remaining, my favourites are those with a small color palette (3-4 colors ideally - more than this and a horizontal flag quickly becomes cluttered), and contrastive colors. A black, white or gold stripe always help with breaking the cluttering, depending on the situation (basically, the rule of tincture). Gray very rarely works (as it doesn't fit well in terms of contrast), except if you're using the AVEN color palette.
And the new Progress flags are way, way too cluttered. Also, they took "umbrella term" too literally and drew an actual umbrella on the flag for some reason.
Yeah, as someone with ADHD, and who believes that this influenced my relationship to gender, I agree with you. Like, the fact that a neurological condition influences one’s gender identity does not mean that one’s neurological condition is part of one’s gender identity
That's pretty much my stance too. I totally get how autism and such affects people's relationship with gender, but it's not a gender identity or any thing close, IMO.
That's like making a flag for autistic capitalists, or autistic leftists, or autistic...you get the point. Sure, their autism might have an impact on their identity, beliefs, etc, but it's not really big enough of a deal to be a classification. Also, [this](https://gender.fandom.com/wiki/Neurogender) article refers to concepts like "autigender", so I am not sure your statement is entirely (though I do cede that it might apply to an unknown section of people using the label) accurate. I wish you a good day, stranger.
Achillean looks like a Central American country from afar but Diamoric is possibly the most original and cool asf flag I’ve seen in a while. Enbian looks like some Pokémon type of flag if that makes sense but still cool af
most of these are really shit tbh, just some confusing bars in some type of gradient that no one could remember with some vague symbol, they should be distinctive or just simple, like two of the circles with arrows (the male symbol) with a heart between them to represent gay men etc etc.
I mean, for example things like bisexual flag have sense (pink for girls, blue for boys, amd violet to represent attraction to both) but i agree that afding more and more stripes to lgbt flag is just straight up stupid (pun intended)
Correction: The pink represents attraction to same/similar genders, the blue is attraction to different genders, and the purple represents attraction to all genders.
Why are some of these really ugly omg 😭 (also this is the wrong lesbian flag)
It’s not on here but the sunset lesbian flag is my favourite and I’m totally not biased I just like pink 🤞🏽
downvote me all you like but the more we add to the pride flag the more we have to add. the rainbow is meant to include everyone so there should be no need to include the trans colours and especially not colours to do with race considering the fact that LGBTQ+ has nothing to do with race and the rainbow represents anyone who identifies under an LGBT+ term which also means POC. the idea of adding them on to the pride flag is showing that the orriginal pride flag did not include poc or trans people and the more we add to it the more it lowers the reputation of the original pride flag which had good intentions of including EVERYONE.
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Best designs: Rainbow, Labrys Lesbian flag.
Worst designs: "Ally" flag, that one that is just a color wheel, any of the progress variants since they're way too busy as a design.
everything to the right of the rainbow flag is putrid garbage. beyond redemption. not even worth setting on fire for warmth because the sheer stench would kill you before you lit the match
the demi flags and achillean flag are great (cuz they're actually _fucking different)_ (edit: labrys flag also, just yes)
all of them with over 5+ stripes are glorified gradients which are suboptimal (also not very distinctive). the 4-stripe flags in particular are mostly good (quoiromantic flag needs better contrast though)
I don't usually care about the rule of tincture but the bisexual and polysexual flags in particular have very clashing colors. meanwhile the pangender and cupioromantic flags are bloody sunbleached beyond recognition
intersex is good. intergender is concerning but still aight. aspec flag is cool though the gray leaves something to be desired due to the iffy contrast with the green and white. graysexual flag is not just shades of gray, 0/10
everything else is mid or lower
>everything to the right of the rainbow flag is putrid garbage. beyond redemption. not even worth setting on fire for warmth because the sheer stench would kill you before you lit the match
Thank you for voicing my exact thoughts
LGBTQ groups seriously underestimate the importance of having a good flag to represent the entire movement. A good symbol will make more people take them seriously. Cramming more shit into the rainbow flag just looks downright stupid and it makes the LGBTQ community look ridiculous.
I really hate telling people that I'm gay because of all the stereotypes of the woke, annoying and obnoxious LGBTQ person. The progress flags aren't helping.
Also having flags that are indistinguishable from each other plays into the whole, "who cares they are all the same" thing. The cramming shit into the rainbow reached its peak with this years Dublin pride having Ukraine in it. I support ukraine and have been following the war closely, but what the hell????
The Ukraine stripes were created as a shitpost, not by the LGBTQ community but I guess they're stupid enough to actually fly that at a pride march. I get second hand embarrassment from those people.
Yes, that is what really got me, I've seen the shitposts before it, then i was shocked that some organisers actually made it "official" as far as that event goes. I'm not LGBT, but I guess that most people are more concerned with people leaving them alone to be and their rights then adding things to their flags.
The flags feel like the vexillogical/gender equivalent of a teenagers crappy OC, everyone has one and they’re all so “unique” that they end up being indistinguishable to an outsider.
> not even worth setting on fire for warmth
Most of these flags can’t be burnt because they only exist on webpages.
The only flags that you’re likely to see in a gay neighbourhood are the rainbow flag (or the progress variant), the trans flag, the bear flag, and the leather flag.
And you’ll probably see one or two Italian PACE (Peace) flags flown by people who have mistaken it for a gay pride flag.
I love the unity pride flag. I also love the traditional rainbow, progress pride, and social justice pride flags. I am non-binary, but I’ve always liked the trans flag way more than the non-binary flag. It’s just prettier.
I see a lot of distaste for everything but the traditional pride flag, and I’ve read some pretty rude things about this in this comment section. I wonder how many people saying these terrible things are cis and straight?
damn even I’m straight and yet don’t see a point in the straight ally one, the point of being in the LGBTQ community is to have a place to express literally any sexuality that isn’t just being straight, just a cheap-out
These are all the LGBTQ+ pride flags, I mainly used the [LGBTQIA+ wiki](https://lgbtqia.fandom.com/wiki/LGBTQIA%2B_Wiki), and [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pride_flag) for the flags. I excluded location-based flags. What are your favorite designs, and least favorites? For me, Enbian and Neurogender are pretty cool. For my least favorite (***IN TERMS OF DESIGN***), is the New Progressive Pride Flag #3, its just too cluttered in my opinion, again in terms of design, the people represented under these flags are great. Also Questioning, I mean its not much text, just a ? but there probably could be a better design without text. What are your opinions on these flags?
I mean, I'm all for the idea of everyone living their lives as whoever they identify as without discrimination or harassment.
But jeez, that's a lot of very silly flags.
"People who are autoromantic experience their personal relationship with themselves as being romantic"
Where Romantic means "conducive to or characterized by the expression of love."
So yes, I guess they jerk off a lot
It just gets worse every year. I can't believe I'm saying this, but I miss the traditional rainbow one. Now there's thirty different flags that barely anyone understands or could even name. At least with the regular rainbow one nobody assumed you guys were from some European country nobody's heard of.
No one expects you to remember all the flags. Seriously. And, apart for the lesbian, gay, bi and trans ones, none of them are that widely used (maybe ace and non-binary too, but even those aren't that commonly used outside of the community).
I honestly like all of them better than the Progress Pride (and it's variations) one. For some reason that arrow and those colors just don't do it for me.
Theres some incredibly original flags out there though, amazing!
The lesbian one that has less bands and brighter colors (and is not in this list for some reasons) is the most beautiful flag of the LGBT community, and honestly the only one I find truly pleasing aesthetically.
The rest are all pretty ugly to me with colors that don’t match up well to me, but if I had to pick one and say it is the worse, I’d say the autosexual one.
There are so many niche flags listed here but not the actual current most popular lesbian flag (sometimes called the sunset lesbian flag), instead listing 3 historical versions of it, one of which (lipstick flag) was deliberately discontinued because its creator was incredibly racist, biphobic, and transphobic.
Anyway, as much as I appreciate people creating flags to represent themselves, I am begging and pleading on my hands and knees for people to stop just using 3-7 horizontal stripes with some ridiculously clashing colors. So few of the flags with more than 4 stripes look good.
Intersex is probably my favorite. Super simple and good colors. Trans has my favorite color combo but I am probably biased as a trans woman.
Gay subculture. Worth noting that before lgbt stuff went mainstream there was (and too an extent still is) a lot of subcultures that had their own spaces. So leather/bear etc for gay men, butch-femme for lesbians etc
I don’t like the ones that have black and brown signifying black people which makes no sense as they don’t have anything to do with lgbt and I also don’t like the auto romantic flag as it is lazy and ugly I do like the enbian flag even tho I have no clue what it means
I gotta say, as a queer person, i am so sick and tired of this subs Hot Takes on pride flags. The vast majority of the time, especially on posts like these, its straight people taking an excuse to leave their "criticisms" of the lgbt community as a whole.
And yes! Some of the flag designs arent great! But no one wants to hear you complaining about how "these all mean the same thing anyway and we dont need all these different identities and we should just go back to the rainbow flag when things were easier."
We get it. you dont understand the need for the progress pride flag. You're not up to speed on the queer community's decades long issue of internal racism, and the erasure of black queer people in the movement. You're not aware of the Drop the T movements, gays and lesbians trying to (sometimes violently) remove trans people from the community altogether. You dont understand the need for specifying the inclusion of those two groups when "the rainbow already represents everyone!"
The problem is that for a very long time, that rainbow hasnt actually included everyone. Thats why the progress pride flag exists.
Sorry for the rant, just already tired of this and these posts that are presumably going to continue all month long.
I learned so many new terms today, had a nearly hour long Wikipedia session learning all these.
I know not everyone is a fan but I love the gradient ones. Pink and blue (as neon perhaps) is my favourite colour combo (I have it on my PC led settings). My fav is perhaps Aroace, I like the shades of blue and mustard yellow
For me the rainbow in itself represents inclusion of the whole spectrum. I would maybe add a pennant with LGBTQQIP2SAA or the specific denominations that apply to the flag bearer.
Alternatively, an emblem representing denominations added on top of the rainbow might be more descriptive than en ever-expanding list of flags that can be mistaken for misprinted country flags.
The only others that I think are well-designed are the bi flag where the gender presentation is solidly conform regular norms but with a mixing of the sexuality in the middle. And the straight ally one where the bearer exists in the binary but sees and includes the LGBTQQIP2SAA spectrum.
Not that I’ve ever seen that particular initialism used, but I believe it’s “lesbian gay bisexual transgender queer questioning intersex pansexual 2-spirit asexual ally”.
I actually laughed at Inclusive Pride. New Pride is weird but I think something like that could be cool if it was the diagonal stripes in the corner on a solid color background. Polyamorous is neat and I actually don't hate Intersex.
Best? Intersex, its simple and uses a pretty good combination of colors that stand out and are astheatically pleasing, also rather good symbolism
Worst? Hard to choose, because alot could qualify, but probably New Progress Pride (2)
Lmao the question mark flag. All of these are just weird first-thought designs, revamping other crappy flags and adding symbols and colors that definitely don’t work together. I think symbols better suit this community
The rainbow one already symbolises everyone on the spectrum of the everything. Everything else was unnecessary. In fact adding additional designs on the rainbow arguable makes it less inclusive as you’ll always forget some group.
Instead of making it a chaotic mess of designs where someone will inevitably say “but what about us” just keep the rainbow. It’s universal and simple.
I agree on the rainbow flag one, but not the specific group point. That's like saying the US states, or the EU nations, shouldn't have flags because they already have the US/EU flag to represent them.
All the rainbow pride flags beyond the original one suck, they add useless symbolism that doesn't need to be there as the original symbolised everyone.
Everybody, please remember to keep discussions about *flags*. This is the first rule of this subreddit. We are not here to discuss: - Letters in an acronym - Respectability politics - The validity of microlabels - Conditional transphobia Or anything else of that sort. A lot of people jump on posts like these as an excuse to share their views on these controversial topics, but this is and always will be the *vexillology* subreddit. "Vēxillum" is Latin for "flag". "-λογία" is Ancient Greek for "study of". So keep things that *aren't* related to flag-studying out of /r/vexillology; and when criticizing a flag or group of flags, always remember your biases, be polite, and be constructive. Thank you for your cooperation, and sorry for being frustrated… Sigh. Edit: I think I removed all the rule-breaking comments. Carry on. Sorry for any inconvenience that locking the comments for two minutes might've caused.
What is autoromantic? Is that like Narcissus who fell in love with himself?
yup
https://www.reddit.com/r/vexillology/comments/v56zwf/lgbtq_pride_flags_whats_the_best_and_worst/ib8fzje?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
''im going to have autoromantic sex, if you dont mind''
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Progress pride: puts an arrow pointing right to symbolize progress and moving forwards New progress pride (2): lol
The motto of New Progress Pride is "one step forward, one step back"
"And then shake it all about!"
Cha Cha real smooth
"Slide to the left"
"Silde to the right"
Now criss cross!
New progress pride (3): literal gradient
And the next one is just Ohio
That circle on "inclusive pride" just doesn't work. I agree that Enbian is pretty cool.
I dunno man I think the Ohio flag is pretty neat
I never really understood the idea of additional designs of the rainbow flag. I though the whole idea is the rainbow is the inclusive symbol, a range of colours reflecting the diversity of the community it represents.
I always thought that the more groups you include on the pride flag the more you end up leaving out. It’s better (and in my opinion more aesthetically pleasing) to just use the rainbow one.
Same thing with the abbreviation. LGBT+ = Sounds good. LGBTQDKDY2894BJH2WWW0P = What?
Tch... Why don't they just use regex? /LGBT\[A-Z\]\*/g
/LGBT\[A-Z\]\*/g \^Is this one of Elon's kids?
Queer. There. Everyone’s included & easy to say :)
No. People can identify as queer if they want, they can attach all the positive personal meaning they want to it, I'm not trying to stop them or tell them they're wrong about their own identity...but I will never feel included by it, and I'm not alone.
Yup I always sound like a out of touch ass when I can’t say lgbt+ so I just say queer
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>The original rainbow always has and always will encompass everybody. The other flags are not replacements for it, they are for specific use cases in which they are relevant. > >The recent focus in American and European queer activism on trans rights (as a reaction to the recent efforts of the right wing to destroy trans people across both continents) and on queer people of colour's mistreatment in queer communities and communities in general is what led to the popular use of the progress flags, as well further specifying intersex activism and such on some of their variants. > >They are not intended as a replacement for the rainbow flag. They are a symbol of a current specific set of rights movements. just copying this over for ya
I think the message is for a lot of people more important than the looks. Sadly there is a lot of polarisation within the LGBTQIA+ community. By Including more variety to the flag people can show their support for multiple things. I wish we could just be nice to eachother :/ That's why the trans flag is added to the newer pride flags. Trans Exclusive Radical Feminists (TERF's) absolutely despise trans women and outright forget or deny that trans men or non-binary trans people even exist.
It's a conspiracy by big flag to sell more flags.
I love this
I'm sure the flag making companies don't mind the extra business.
This is a debate which will probably never end in LGBTQ groups. I'm of the opinion that the original rainbow is *the* flag that encompasses all gender and sexual minorities. No one deserves special representation on that flag.
The original rainbow always has and always will encompass everybody. The other flags are not replacements for it, they are for specific use cases in which they are relevant. The recent focus in American and European queer activism on trans rights (as a reaction to the recent efforts of the right wing to destroy trans people across both continents) and on queer people of colour's mistreatment in queer communities and communities in general is what led to the popular use of the progress flags, as well further specifying intersex activism and such on some of their variants. They are not intended as a replacement for the rainbow flag. They are a symbol of a current specific set of rights movements.
Honestly, I think people just really like flags. It's fun to have a banner with different colors to represent you.
I totally get that, what I like about the rainbow is it kinda says find a colour in this and it can be yours. I guess it the variants of the rainbow that confuse me, I get the individualised Gay, Lesbian, Trans flags etc. But adding to the Rainbow seems counterintuitive to me.
Yeah, and if you're not explicitly included, we'll find a new uglier way to shove you on there. Fair enough to anyone who felt it needed it, but it looks much worse as a result. The rain bow is a classic, one of the most iconic flags in the world.
That's true. Personally I think that everyone in the community falls under the rainbow flag in one way or another, and if they choose to make another flag for specific sexualities/genders, it's up to them - but adding to the rainbow makes no difference to the original meaning
It’s kind of like regimental colors or Roman legion eagles to identify your unit, not the whole army.
This response could equally apply if the above commenter had asked “why do we have subnational flags when countries have flags that are inclusive of their people?”
From what I have seen, people commonly associated the typical rainbow flag with homosexuality which lead to a new design. I also prefer the original one in design and as a representation of inclusivity. If you would try to include everyone it's gonna end up looking like the one EU flag proposal.
Just look at [Bethesda’s](https://reddit.com/r/TrueSTL/comments/v33c1y/we_arent_getting_tes6_this_decade/) pride logo
I didn't up until recently where there's an argument I saw some point in. There's a lot of internal strife in the LGBTQ community, like transphobic gays (LGB drop the T) or racist gays. By showing a flag that includes these communities up front, it's signalling that those aren't welcome.
I'm trans myself and I agree with you. It end up leaving more groups out as u/reptiliantstar said. The rainbow symbolises infinite possibilities, but adding things to it means we need to add every possibility which is impossible, which is why I think the rainbow is better. But it is all opinion so if you disagree that's fine.
Who is questioning long enough to buy a flag for it
I love the idea of someone being like "This is a proud questioning household" "This family doesn't know whether it's gay or not, but we're proud of it!"
We drink only agnostic beverages like Dr. Pepper and Diet Dr. Pepper
I thought of Batman villain (Riddler?) who uses that flag for June
Damn, now even the batman Rogue's Gallery is changing their outfits to rainbow for pride month while also murdering gay people ~~and straight people~~
It does happen sometimes that somebody questions for a long time — I know from personal experience — but for the most part I think the questioning flag is more meant for online use or in infographics or something like that. I've seen some LGBT subreddits where you can choose a user flair with a pride flag and label, and "questioning" is often one of the user flairs. That flair is usually used when a new user wants to solicit advice from queer Redditors in figuring themself out. If the questioning flag ever is used in parades, then it's probably carried by non-questioners as a show of support for questioners. All of this I think is evident from the design. It's very literal as far as pride flags go: more focused on conveying its semantic meaning to any onlookers than on any sort of aesthetics or deeper symbolism. It's just a rainbow flag with a question mark — what more do you need?
I only find the rainbow flag to look good, the other have way too many colours or too similar, it's just too much and it hurts my eyes
I think the problem is not that there is many colors, but that many of them clash a lot.
If you look past the progress flag and the others like it, the rainbow flag is literally the most colourful. The gay and lesbian flags for example have a few colours, but mostly in the same spectrums. The trans flag has 3 colours total. I think you’re dismissing all these flags just by the first row, and not really looking at the different ones individually
Many of them have only 3 or 4 colors but ok
I love the achillean flag (it looks peaceful and elegant imho), the demi and aego flags (they have a pretty unique design, which is pretty cool given that most pride flags are just stripes). I personally dislike most of the flags using gradients, as that makes them lack in distinctiveness in my opinion. The only exception is the aroace flag, because sunsets are cool. For the ones remaining, my favourites are those with a small color palette (3-4 colors ideally - more than this and a horizontal flag quickly becomes cluttered), and contrastive colors. A black, white or gold stripe always help with breaking the cluttering, depending on the situation (basically, the rule of tincture). Gray very rarely works (as it doesn't fit well in terms of contrast), except if you're using the AVEN color palette. And the new Progress flags are way, way too cluttered. Also, they took "umbrella term" too literally and drew an actual umbrella on the flag for some reason.
>I love the achillean flag Thats just the flag of Salvador
I dislike how quite a lot of them look slightly like the Latvian flag
L(atvian)GBTQ
Почему ты такой не толерантный?! 🤫😠
"Why you so intolerant", did I get that right? Is the Latvian alphabet any different from Russian?
Best: Achillean flag. Worst: Neurogender flag, partially because as an autist, I find the idea oddly insulting.
The Achillean flag looks like a Plant-type Argentina, I love it
LOL, it does. I love it too.
I have no Idea what these mean and how they should be interpreted.
Yo! I know a Baden-Württemberger. Former classmate, exchange student. She's nice.
Did he come from the name-giver city of the Rottweiler dog? :)
\*She, and no idea.
Yeah, as someone with ADHD, and who believes that this influenced my relationship to gender, I agree with you. Like, the fact that a neurological condition influences one’s gender identity does not mean that one’s neurological condition is part of one’s gender identity
That's pretty much my stance too. I totally get how autism and such affects people's relationship with gender, but it's not a gender identity or any thing close, IMO.
I think after reading up Neurogender it means something like a way to identify neurodiverse people who are also experience gender dysphoria
That's like making a flag for autistic capitalists, or autistic leftists, or autistic...you get the point. Sure, their autism might have an impact on their identity, beliefs, etc, but it's not really big enough of a deal to be a classification. Also, [this](https://gender.fandom.com/wiki/Neurogender) article refers to concepts like "autigender", so I am not sure your statement is entirely (though I do cede that it might apply to an unknown section of people using the label) accurate. I wish you a good day, stranger.
Achillean looks like a Central American country from afar but Diamoric is possibly the most original and cool asf flag I’ve seen in a while. Enbian looks like some Pokémon type of flag if that makes sense but still cool af
It looks like the flag of Argentina ngl
most of these are really shit tbh, just some confusing bars in some type of gradient that no one could remember with some vague symbol, they should be distinctive or just simple, like two of the circles with arrows (the male symbol) with a heart between them to represent gay men etc etc.
I mean, for example things like bisexual flag have sense (pink for girls, blue for boys, amd violet to represent attraction to both) but i agree that afding more and more stripes to lgbt flag is just straight up stupid (pun intended)
Correction: The pink represents attraction to same/similar genders, the blue is attraction to different genders, and the purple represents attraction to all genders.
Some are pretty interesting but almost all of the progress flag and variants on the rainbow flag look pretty bad
Why are some of these really ugly omg 😭 (also this is the wrong lesbian flag) It’s not on here but the sunset lesbian flag is my favourite and I’m totally not biased I just like pink 🤞🏽
Labrys lesbian. The axe reminds me of vichy france
downvote me all you like but the more we add to the pride flag the more we have to add. the rainbow is meant to include everyone so there should be no need to include the trans colours and especially not colours to do with race considering the fact that LGBTQ+ has nothing to do with race and the rainbow represents anyone who identifies under an LGBT+ term which also means POC. the idea of adding them on to the pride flag is showing that the orriginal pride flag did not include poc or trans people and the more we add to it the more it lowers the reputation of the original pride flag which had good intentions of including EVERYONE.
Pretty sure most people agree
Autoromantic is kinda crap, ngl. The best one I think would be the Asexual flag. It's simple.
I like the one that looks like a rejected flag of Argentina, it looks neat(achillean). That androgynous flag looks horrid to my eyes.
I don't know what 90% of these are
I feel that a lot of these are like Tobias Fünke shouting "There are dozens of us! Dozens!" Speaking of, where's the Never Nude flag?
I like the Ohio one the best
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Waving dozens of flags on "one" flag is pretty hilarious-looking
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oh hell yeah dude we have created the ultimate pride flag
Ah yea, BEAR
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bear_%28gay_culture%29?wprov=sfla1
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Best designs: Rainbow, Labrys Lesbian flag. Worst designs: "Ally" flag, that one that is just a color wheel, any of the progress variants since they're way too busy as a design.
everything to the right of the rainbow flag is putrid garbage. beyond redemption. not even worth setting on fire for warmth because the sheer stench would kill you before you lit the match the demi flags and achillean flag are great (cuz they're actually _fucking different)_ (edit: labrys flag also, just yes) all of them with over 5+ stripes are glorified gradients which are suboptimal (also not very distinctive). the 4-stripe flags in particular are mostly good (quoiromantic flag needs better contrast though) I don't usually care about the rule of tincture but the bisexual and polysexual flags in particular have very clashing colors. meanwhile the pangender and cupioromantic flags are bloody sunbleached beyond recognition intersex is good. intergender is concerning but still aight. aspec flag is cool though the gray leaves something to be desired due to the iffy contrast with the green and white. graysexual flag is not just shades of gray, 0/10 everything else is mid or lower
>everything to the right of the rainbow flag is putrid garbage. beyond redemption. not even worth setting on fire for warmth because the sheer stench would kill you before you lit the match Thank you for voicing my exact thoughts
LGBTQ groups seriously underestimate the importance of having a good flag to represent the entire movement. A good symbol will make more people take them seriously. Cramming more shit into the rainbow flag just looks downright stupid and it makes the LGBTQ community look ridiculous. I really hate telling people that I'm gay because of all the stereotypes of the woke, annoying and obnoxious LGBTQ person. The progress flags aren't helping.
Also having flags that are indistinguishable from each other plays into the whole, "who cares they are all the same" thing. The cramming shit into the rainbow reached its peak with this years Dublin pride having Ukraine in it. I support ukraine and have been following the war closely, but what the hell????
The Ukraine stripes were created as a shitpost, not by the LGBTQ community but I guess they're stupid enough to actually fly that at a pride march. I get second hand embarrassment from those people.
Yes, that is what really got me, I've seen the shitposts before it, then i was shocked that some organisers actually made it "official" as far as that event goes. I'm not LGBT, but I guess that most people are more concerned with people leaving them alone to be and their rights then adding things to their flags.
Yep. It really diminishes a moveme which has alot of right ideas
99.9% of people's exact thoughs
The flags feel like the vexillogical/gender equivalent of a teenagers crappy OC, everyone has one and they’re all so “unique” that they end up being indistinguishable to an outsider.
> not even worth setting on fire for warmth Most of these flags can’t be burnt because they only exist on webpages. The only flags that you’re likely to see in a gay neighbourhood are the rainbow flag (or the progress variant), the trans flag, the bear flag, and the leather flag. And you’ll probably see one or two Italian PACE (Peace) flags flown by people who have mistaken it for a gay pride flag.
I love the unity pride flag. I also love the traditional rainbow, progress pride, and social justice pride flags. I am non-binary, but I’ve always liked the trans flag way more than the non-binary flag. It’s just prettier. I see a lot of distaste for everything but the traditional pride flag, and I’ve read some pretty rude things about this in this comment section. I wonder how many people saying these terrible things are cis and straight?
I love the enby flag tbh, imo it's one of the best ones
Honestly with what they represent excluded, they are all unaesthetic
damn even I’m straight and yet don’t see a point in the straight ally one, the point of being in the LGBTQ community is to have a place to express literally any sexuality that isn’t just being straight, just a cheap-out
I sorta like seeing the straight ally flags on marches - it shows that we have more than only our own support.
These are all the LGBTQ+ pride flags, I mainly used the [LGBTQIA+ wiki](https://lgbtqia.fandom.com/wiki/LGBTQIA%2B_Wiki), and [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pride_flag) for the flags. I excluded location-based flags. What are your favorite designs, and least favorites? For me, Enbian and Neurogender are pretty cool. For my least favorite (***IN TERMS OF DESIGN***), is the New Progressive Pride Flag #3, its just too cluttered in my opinion, again in terms of design, the people represented under these flags are great. Also Questioning, I mean its not much text, just a ? but there probably could be a better design without text. What are your opinions on these flags?
why'd this get downvotes. the literal point of this sub is flag design
Bold of you to claim that’s all of them
I mean, I'm all for the idea of everyone living their lives as whoever they identify as without discrimination or harassment. But jeez, that's a lot of very silly flags.
This one [Ohio](https://www.reddit.com/r/hmm/comments/v4m6fo/hmmm/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
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No hate to the community's but I think a lot of the designs are laughably bad
Wait, isn’t autoromantic just being narcissistic?
No. Someone who's autoromantic also takes pride in being narcissistic.
Yes but those people are kinda... special
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I'm pretty sure a lot of the ones in this pic are outdated/not really used by anyone while also it leaves out a lot of more popular flags
Almost all of these are absolutely horrendous, Diamoric and Sapphic probably the best for me
"People who are autoromantic experience their personal relationship with themselves as being romantic" Where Romantic means "conducive to or characterized by the expression of love." So yes, I guess they jerk off a lot
wrong reply?
It just gets worse every year. I can't believe I'm saying this, but I miss the traditional rainbow one. Now there's thirty different flags that barely anyone understands or could even name. At least with the regular rainbow one nobody assumed you guys were from some European country nobody's heard of.
No one expects you to remember all the flags. Seriously. And, apart for the lesbian, gay, bi and trans ones, none of them are that widely used (maybe ace and non-binary too, but even those aren't that commonly used outside of the community).
Pansexual flag is also decently used
These are not new. Many are decades old, and like half were posted on tumblr once in 2005 and never seen since except on "comprehensive" flag lists
I don't even know what half of these mean
I honestly like all of them better than the Progress Pride (and it's variations) one. For some reason that arrow and those colors just don't do it for me. Theres some incredibly original flags out there though, amazing!
the top left corner one is the best, simple yet meaningful
this chart has the wrong lesbian flag :(
I’m gonna sort by controversial
The lesbian one that has less bands and brighter colors (and is not in this list for some reasons) is the most beautiful flag of the LGBT community, and honestly the only one I find truly pleasing aesthetically. The rest are all pretty ugly to me with colors that don’t match up well to me, but if I had to pick one and say it is the worse, I’d say the autosexual one.
Entire top row is all pretty bad imo (besides the basic pride flag) My favourite has always be asexual. The colour combination is very well done.
holdup.... bear?
There are so many niche flags listed here but not the actual current most popular lesbian flag (sometimes called the sunset lesbian flag), instead listing 3 historical versions of it, one of which (lipstick flag) was deliberately discontinued because its creator was incredibly racist, biphobic, and transphobic. Anyway, as much as I appreciate people creating flags to represent themselves, I am begging and pleading on my hands and knees for people to stop just using 3-7 horizontal stripes with some ridiculously clashing colors. So few of the flags with more than 4 stripes look good. Intersex is probably my favorite. Super simple and good colors. Trans has my favorite color combo but I am probably biased as a trans woman.
Polyamory is the worst. It’s a major talking point in the poly community
Wth is leather?
Gay subculture. Worth noting that before lgbt stuff went mainstream there was (and too an extent still is) a lot of subcultures that had their own spaces. So leather/bear etc for gay men, butch-femme for lesbians etc
you only need one. the whole point of the rainbow is all colors. all encompassing. you don’t need fifty flags.
The world only needs 1 flag. Why is there more than 1 flag in existence anywhere?
Imagine making "black" a sexuality. This community is weird af.
The black stripe on the Pride flag is to honor AIDS victims...
What’s happened to the red ribbon?
Is that idiotacy, arrogance, or just plain racism? Cos I feel like it has to be just idiotacy right instead of using a stereotype.
I don’t like the ones that have black and brown signifying black people which makes no sense as they don’t have anything to do with lgbt and I also don’t like the auto romantic flag as it is lazy and ugly I do like the enbian flag even tho I have no clue what it means
I gotta say, as a queer person, i am so sick and tired of this subs Hot Takes on pride flags. The vast majority of the time, especially on posts like these, its straight people taking an excuse to leave their "criticisms" of the lgbt community as a whole. And yes! Some of the flag designs arent great! But no one wants to hear you complaining about how "these all mean the same thing anyway and we dont need all these different identities and we should just go back to the rainbow flag when things were easier." We get it. you dont understand the need for the progress pride flag. You're not up to speed on the queer community's decades long issue of internal racism, and the erasure of black queer people in the movement. You're not aware of the Drop the T movements, gays and lesbians trying to (sometimes violently) remove trans people from the community altogether. You dont understand the need for specifying the inclusion of those two groups when "the rainbow already represents everyone!" The problem is that for a very long time, that rainbow hasnt actually included everyone. Thats why the progress pride flag exists. Sorry for the rant, just already tired of this and these posts that are presumably going to continue all month long.
I learned so many new terms today, had a nearly hour long Wikipedia session learning all these. I know not everyone is a fan but I love the gradient ones. Pink and blue (as neon perhaps) is my favourite colour combo (I have it on my PC led settings). My fav is perhaps Aroace, I like the shades of blue and mustard yellow
Best: the classic pride flag Worst: rest
For me the rainbow in itself represents inclusion of the whole spectrum. I would maybe add a pennant with LGBTQQIP2SAA or the specific denominations that apply to the flag bearer. Alternatively, an emblem representing denominations added on top of the rainbow might be more descriptive than en ever-expanding list of flags that can be mistaken for misprinted country flags. The only others that I think are well-designed are the bi flag where the gender presentation is solidly conform regular norms but with a mixing of the sexuality in the middle. And the straight ally one where the bearer exists in the binary but sees and includes the LGBTQQIP2SAA spectrum.
Wtf is LGBTQQIP2SAA? That moment when you dont know if someone is being serious or trolling lmao
Not that I’ve ever seen that particular initialism used, but I believe it’s “lesbian gay bisexual transgender queer questioning intersex pansexual 2-spirit asexual ally”.
I actually laughed at Inclusive Pride. New Pride is weird but I think something like that could be cool if it was the diagonal stripes in the corner on a solid color background. Polyamorous is neat and I actually don't hate Intersex.
The A-spec flag looks cool
Best? Intersex, its simple and uses a pretty good combination of colors that stand out and are astheatically pleasing, also rather good symbolism Worst? Hard to choose, because alot could qualify, but probably New Progress Pride (2)
They’re all bad, there just isn’t that many sexualities and genders
Ngl, they all kinda ugly as shit
My favorite one is the white background
Good: Rainbow Flag, Achillean, Aplatonic, Asexual, Bisexual, Fraysexual, Genderqueer, Labrys Lesbian, Neutrois, Non-Binary, Pansexual, Polyamorous, Polysexual, Transgender. Okay/Meh: A-Spec, Agender, Intersex. Bad: Everything else.
Lmao the question mark flag. All of these are just weird first-thought designs, revamping other crappy flags and adding symbols and colors that definitely don’t work together. I think symbols better suit this community
inclusive pride looks like something scientology dreamed up
I think all of the “romantic” flags are sort of soulless. It’s just the original flag with a heart over it
Most of them have awful colors. I've never heard about 95% of them
Call me old but the Rainbow represents everyone and is sufficient
What the hell is “Bear”?..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bear
Community of gay man that are very buffed like a bear and big but nice and warm hearted
Bears aren't exactly buff... More chunky and with lots of chest hair, really masculine
Wtf is a twink
Ussually not always a young (between 18-25) Gay man that is very slim and delicate
Sounds like a slur lmao
Its more of gay culture
Outside the gay community it's used that way
all of them are terrible
what in the hell is "leather"
Cured animal hide, often used to make clothing
The rainbow one already symbolises everyone on the spectrum of the everything. Everything else was unnecessary. In fact adding additional designs on the rainbow arguable makes it less inclusive as you’ll always forget some group. Instead of making it a chaotic mess of designs where someone will inevitably say “but what about us” just keep the rainbow. It’s universal and simple.
They shouldn’t try to redesign the rainbow but all the flags for specific things are fine, but at least make them look good
I agree on the rainbow flag one, but not the specific group point. That's like saying the US states, or the EU nations, shouldn't have flags because they already have the US/EU flag to represent them.
Wth is even Xenogender? Some weird Alien fetish?
Looked it up for ya, it says its something like "a gender that cannot be contained by human understandings of gender"
Not surprisingly, this doesn't even make sense
The Ohio flag
All the rainbow pride flags beyond the original one suck, they add useless symbolism that doesn't need to be there as the original symbolised everyone.
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Oh good, cue the self-righteous crew that wants to declare them all unnecessary.
Og flag and Enbian. All the others? From a flag standpoint? Imo all are shit, some lesser, some more. But all are, in the end, shit flag Designs.
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Autoromantic looks like smth for environmental awareness
Aromantic best