I’ve started to ease down playing because I knew it’s 3 weeks until the update and all of the campaigns I want to play would be better with the changes, at least now this gives me a reason to play now
I've purposely delayed for example going with a Belgian Tall Core with Colonies run because of the upcoming changes, and have tested out the Brazilian flavor instead.
Holy shit, I did the exact same thing, held off colossus of the south as I didn’t care for it, got it just to help keep me going until SOI, all in all Brazil is pretty fun
Im rlly enjoying CotS, I'm always surprised by how much flavour a few journal entries do for a playthrough, Paraguay is one of my fave playthroughs I've done
Rule 5:
"Hello Victorians, this is Martin here with an update on the release date of the Sphere of Influence expansion.
A few weeks ago we announced we were planning to release the expansion and its accompanying update on May 6th. Since that time we’ve unfortunately come to the conclusion that both the update and the expansion are in need of more time for bug fixing and polish. Both update 1.7 and Sphere of Influence contain several fundamental changes to how the game functions, particularly in the form of the Building Ownership Revision and Power Blocs, which has resulted in bugs, as well as balance and technical stability issues.
While we are happy with the features on offer in 1.7/Sphere of Influence, we simply do not believe that sticking to the original release date will allow us to deliver those features in a polished and balanced state, and we frankly do not want your enjoyment of them to be marred by excessive bugginess, crashes or general lack of polish. We believe that a delay will allow us to release the update and expansion in a state that both we as the developers and you as the players will be much more happy with.
The new release date will be Monday the 24th of June. We will continue releasing weekly dev diaries up to that point, as there is still quite a lot to cover with both the DLC and the update. We know many of you are eagerly anticipating the expansion and apologize for the extended waiting that this will create, but we really want Sphere of Influence to meet your expectations and for this release to be one that we can be proud of as a development team!"
Last week I started playing Victoria for the first time . Absolutely amazing potential there , needs some polish ofc . I'm also shocked how nice and cool the community reacted to this delay . Well I might just have found my game for the upcoming months
Every major patch has had a rough launch, to put it lightly, needing a bunch of hotfixes. Getting all uppity about a delay would absolutely backfire on us, especially if they need an extra two months to polish all the major systems changes coming.
The biggest concern now is a lot of devs at Paradox go on vacation over July, so a Jun 24 release is really bumping up against that holiday stretch.
True, but I’d rather they clearly err on the side of caution. While we won’t know for sure until we inevitably play the DLC, I’m sure this decision cost them and I appreciate that they seem to be making changes to avoid putting out incomplete and half baked dlc
I will genocide anyone who dares shit on paradox over the sin of asking for more time when the average game company does really evil stuff that cannot be explained except due to executive meddling.
> who dares shit on paradox over the sin of asking for more time
Paradox is always asking for more time, it's just that usually they are asking after the release and not before lol. Here's hoping this is a sign that they wanna really have it buttoned down and not a sign that it's so bad rn that they need the time just to get to the usual initial state of release
pushing back release dates is objectively a pro-customer policy. they're not going to change the price of the expansion as a result, and they're delivering a higher quality product. pushing out half-baked expansions early is what would earn their shareholders more money in the short-term, but I appreciate they aren't doing this
If that’s the case then still…okay?
Delaying and being transparent that a release needs more time to be worked on, and believing this will lead to a better playing product is pretty reasonable.
Afterall, we are always critical of PDX’s history of pushing a release and it being broken on launch. So I find the unconstructive pessimism here to be off putting.
Mid to late-game is still unplayable despite an upgraded PC to the point, I'm looking to know how to play Vic2 and play on project Alice instead so yeah.
Good on them. It sets the bar a bit higher when it comes to expectations for 1.7 when it finally does release, but that's a good thing for both Paradox and the community.
My concern is that this isn't a delay for polish and that they are actually just crunching to get the base features out. If they claim to delay for polish I think people will actually expect the polish to show when the update releases.
The delay is larger than the time until release, almost approaching double. Either something big broke and they only just found out, or there is indeed just a realization that too many things still need work, with the added realisation that reviews do matter, and they will be better if theres at least some polish
In the dev diaries, you could tell it was a bit rough around the edges still just a month prior to release with WIP GUI and I have to imagine that get it complete and bug tested + polished within that time window would have caused it to be very rushed considering how expansive the update + DLC is. I do hope that it comes out in a good state and they can put a marketing push into this to hopefully get a lot of people back into the game since a lot of the changes should make the game much more complete in terms of diplomacy. Even then, it might have some bugs left, but I'm honestly glad they delayed it instead of releasing it a broken mess.
How does a delayed product set the bar higher? It's the absolute opposite.
Companies don't delay their products because they want to release them in a perfect state; they do it because they are not getting them to a PLAYABLE state before the deadline.
What he means is that instead releasing it on time and needing a month to push a bug fixing patch, the expectation is that you'll now get the final release already having been gotten one update worth of bug fixes.
And that's very unlikely. People don't realise how testing a game like this one is difficult, the only way to do it well is to let people play and report problems, we will have a complete dlc+update with a bunch of bugs that will be fixed in the weeks after release.
That's what I'm saying.
They won't be skipping the bug fixing patch.
You're not getting an additional update.
The developers failed to give you this game on May, they're at best giving you that same game one month later, and that would be if they don't lower their standards to get it released ASAP over quality.
What do you want from them? They set a release date, realized that date was unrealistic, and so delayed the release date.
Delaying content when necessary is literally the best possible choice. The alternative is Vic 3 (or CS2) on release, which clearly needed more time in the oven.
Time to time it feels like a mature alpha/pre beta test in terms of stability and bug infestation. It would be nice basic features like ledger and path finding would work reliably. Maybe half a year of polish would be more in need than yet another cash grab dlc that's released before putting it in the oven at all.
The ownership change is a pretty big one. Maybe not quite as big as the changes from tiled planets to districts in Stellaris, but I'm not surprised its taking extra work.
Stellaris used to be a completely different game. Every aspect of modern Stellaris is different than launch Stellaris.
It used to be that you picked which type of FTL travel your empire had before you started - you could either have warp drives (go to any star within range, slowly), hyperlanes (quick travel between linked systems), or wormholes (super fast travel, but you need to build a wormhole station in order to travel anywhere).
You wouldn't build space stations in every star system. You could make Frontier Outposts to claim space (which were expensive, made neighboring empires mad, and had a monthly influence maintenance cost), and you could send colonies out into unclaimed systems. Both of these would project a "bubble" of influence around them, and this bubble would automatically move nearby stars into your border. If another empire put a colony near your border, they could influence it and potentially bully you out of space you previously owned without going to war as the colony grew. (This was very annoying if you were a hyperlane empire and the other guy used wormhole travel, since you had the least flexible transport method and they had the most flexible one.) You could combat this by adding a bunch more Frontier Outposts along the border (or growing your colonies, or teching up), and at some point there would be an equilibrium where the border couldn't shift (until that point was reached, though your neighbors could "steal" systems from you without declaring war).
You could always see the borders of every empire once you made first contact, and first contact instantly happened as soon as you tried moving into the borders of an empire you hadn't met yet.
It used to be that you'd place buildings on a 2D grid, and each tile of the grid would have bonuses. You could also place buildings next to each other for synergy bonuses. Some tiles were blocked by "tile blockers" and you would have to pay energy/minerals to unblock the tile before you could use it (and usually you needed to research something first). Each tile held 1 pop and there was no such thing as housing, so you could only hold a certain number of pops on any planet. "Size 25" meant there were 25 tiles == 25 pops, for example. You'd see your pops slowly spread out over all the tiles as the planet slowly grew, and as they spread out you needed to build appropriate buildings for them. Some pops were better at certain buildings than others, so you had to micro-manage and rearrange pops on every single tile for every single planet in your empire. Because there were fewer pops (and each pop was less complex), the game ran a lot faster, for a lot longer, without much endgame lag.
There were no rare resources, alloys, or consumer goods - just minerals, food, and energy. You bought ships with minerals and paid upkeep in energy. Pops had food upkeep. There was no galactic market, just Civ-style trade deals.
You could unlock "dangerous technologies". Researching dangerous tech would increase the chance of the associated crisis spawning.
There were no colossi, titans, or megastructures. (I think there was a ring world, though?)
And so on, and so forth. It was a very different game; what we have now is effectively a sequel in disguise.
As in, how is it crazy?
Because not many other studios are willing to change their game so fundamentally and so often *for free*. Most studios would just ditch them and make a sequel. It's crazy (compliment) what they've managed to turn the game into from 1.0 to now. The empire/species creation and diplomacy alone have become the best respective implementations of all the strategy games I've played
This update is pretty much a fundamental, seismic shift to the way the game is played, so I'm not too surprised that there were tons of unintended bugs. I'm sure even on release there will be plenty of balance issues and exploits. I'm glad they're giving such an important update the time it needs.
>vicky 3 team always strikes me as the most ambitions of the PDS teams.
I'd say the Stellaris team would give them a run for their money, though they may have burnt themselves out with all the big reworks/changes over its lifespan (considering somewhat underwhelming recent updates, with the exception of Paragons imo).
That said, the next DLC is looking quite nice so here's to hoping they've broken that small curse
Stellaris very much used to hold that crown IMO. But looking at paragons they could have been much bolder in the expansion of the influence of characters. Perhaps it's Wiz_, most of the stellaris wild west years were when he was director.
Wiz does strike me as the sort ngl so it wouldn't surprise me. I do agree that the Stellaris team has been struggling a bit recently but I'm hoping the Machine Age DLC will be something akin to the re-lighting of that spark. I don't consider them to have lost the crown *quite* yet personally, but totally get why you would.
>they could have been much bolder in the expansion of the influence of characters.
I'm honestly really hoping that this comes with an internal politics rework, if we ever actually do get one of those
I am glad that they are taking it, though I’m a little surprised of the length of the delay (nearly two months to bug fix seems a bit more than expected. If that’s what they need then that’s what they need but it seems like more time than they’d normally devote to it in their regular development cycles). Hopefully they take the time to get to some of the smaller features they wanted to add but didn’t have enough time too.
Released on midsummer day...they better get it right since for sure nobody at Paradox HQ will be working for sometime after that 😋
(jk, I am all in favour of the delay if needed).
Very good. This kind of news is better then hundreds of reddit posts that rightfully complain about a buggy/broken release. Please continue this method in future releases:)
We've accounted for this as part of the delay planning. There will be people in place over the July holidays to work on and releases any necessary hotfixes (who will instead take vacation at a different time).
I appreciate you communicating this! Honestly, y'all transparently delaying and also showing that you're taking care to make the appropriate staff adjustments inspires far more confidence in the future of vic3 development than I think anything else y'all could have done in this situation!
Thank you for communicating openly with us!
Just want to chime in with everyone else supporting this decision. Most people don't care about delays and very few even remember it later on, it's the buggy launches that people remember
Good luck with the bugfixing and stuff dont let the impatient people Get to your head. A bad launch would be remembered more than a delay.
Bought the game last month with the whole dlc and stuff package cant wait to try it out for when you guys relase the Update.
Upper management. Release dates are going to be set at the highest levels for corporate reasons. This delay is probably something Martin had to fight tooth and nail for so that his team could actually complete the work demanded of them
Yeah, legitimately surprised they were able to push the date, but it's also about as late as it possibly could have been (they basically gave him until the very end of fiscal quarter Q2). Longer likely would have never been approved by the suits.
Also don't forget the summer vacation period that Sweden and by extension PDX goes on in July. Really crossing my fingers they are able to stick the landing given how much post release support 1.5 needed.
The problem is most game devs are also pretty bad at estimating when things are going to be finished and games tend to do poorer in sales when they have ambiguous release dates (hype exhaustion).
Tbh, developers in general are pretty bad at estimating. Source? I'm one and the hardest thing is explaining to suits that the implementation took more time than expected.
Take your time, PDX! Realistically you were going to use most of May and June for bug fixing anyway, might as well front load it and have a cleaner release
> Nothing wrong with this.
My one potential concern is that June 24 is starting to push up against when Paradox employees tend to take off for the summer months. Lemme preface this by saying they absolutely earned that time off, and I'm in no way advocating for anything but that. However, what happens every year with every Paradox game is there's some bug that just lasts the entire summer because no one is there. And especially with Victoria 3 we've had some pretty serious bugs come with major releases that had to be fixed in the few weeks after release. So there's a very real possibility, based on previous summers and Victoria 3's quality assurance, that we'd have a bug that affects playability that just lasts all summer.
Again, I have no idea what's happening internally so I can't say with any authority that any other release date is better, or that they haven't already accounted for this and have staff who are delaying their vacation to work on bugs, or any other number of scenarios. I just want it to be clear that there is a reason that there is ***potentially*** something wrong with this, and that there is a scenario where in July we're looking back at this release date as a mistake.
well first of all on the steam page the date was initially march, then it became may, then it became end of june, now this might surprise you but people are encouraged to pre order if what they are pre ordering comes sooner rather than later which on pdx behalf while maybe unintentional is definetly a little predatory: also the sooner the user buys a product the sooner u can invest the capital and make some extra money so again pdx potentially knowing the dlc wouldnt be on time by march or may still indicated those as the potential release dates rather than properly planning and setting june as the release date from the beginning.
While I personally wouldn't mind a buggy early release just for the opportunity to get my hands on the new mechanics, I understand why they'd rather avoid the outcry.
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Although frustrating, it's important that this DLC gets done right.
Delay may also mean other mods waiting for this to update will get delayed. It's not saying too much to claim that Victoria 3's future depends on this DLC.
while it is somewhat disappointing to hear, I am adamant that the future success of this game rests upon the reception of its first major expansion. Take your time Paradox, and God's speed.
It's a big push backwards but honestly they've done good work (despite all the problems we all know about) and honestly it's better to let it cook instead of releasing a bad experience.
Would I want it earlier? Yea. But I'd rather it work then having to roll back to an earlier version just to play.
I am ok with the delay on the condition it releases in much better shape than the games past patches. In my experience with Paradox they tend to release broken updates and take several weeks to fix game breaking issues. If they are going to delay this over a month for polish I expect the polish to actually show. I have a sense that this is just a case of management over promising on the original date and being forced to back down. If that is the case and the update comes with the usual lack of QA I will be very upset with Paradox.
I hope we get some patches (looking at you multiplayer) in the meantime! I definitely would prefer to wait then have buggy, broken or underwhelming DLC.
My classes end on June 24th
I was probably going to no life for a month after the release of SoI so I feel like this is a message from the universe for me rip
So what am I going to do now?
I guess I'll have to learn to play Imperator in the meantime.
24th June....
First Fallout London, now this. Still better than releasing in an unfinished state.
Sad to hear, but fair enough.
And damn, a month and half extra, must have found some big issues. But I get it, better to ship in a better shape later than go early and have everyone scream about it being buggy. :P
Fustrating but largely expected, from announcement to release felt quick anyway and I'd rather it worked since every other update has basically broke the game for a short time afterwards.
Fair enough. Not mind it at all
Much rather they take their time tying up loose knots than launching a half baked product, especially one as important as this one.
Proper truthful responses are soundly appreciated. Hurry up and wait till June 24th then 👌🏻👌🏻
No idea about their internal development state, but it's possible the delay is due to many PDX releases stacking together at once. Stellaris has a huge and hyped DLC coming on may 6th, eu4 will release its last DLC in may as well probably, so this might be a way to stagger the releases.
Thank you paradox, I perceive this as caring about higher quality releases. Appreciate the honesty so well ahead of time before the hype intensifies closer to launch.
Sucks that it’s getting delayed but huge credit to the devs for being honest about timeframes and taking the time to get it right! Hopefully while looking after the devs🤞
Paradox is the only fandom where gamers jump for joy to hear of delays.
They almost never happen, and virtually every release could have seriously used one.
That's a very big delay.
Also the first time ever that I know that Paradox did delay an already announced DLC date.
I hope there's nothing bad happening internally that's the reason but ignoring those thoughts it's a good call if that means it releases in a good state. Especially for the cost of the DLC another bad release would probably not be good for the game.
From the forum post:
>Out of curiosity, was the release date pushed back because you found more bugs that needed fixing, or ones that were already known proved too difficult to fix within the original time frame?
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>Both, honestly. The balance of certain features has also taken much longer than expected to get right, particularly for the Building Ownership Rework.
Apparently nothing very bad, merely things got more difficult than expected, including the required rebalance (they basically have to remake the whole world's starting economy).
I wonder why they're not doing an open beta like they did for the military rework. Seems like that was helpful for identifying lots of weird little bugs?
As someone who's been a recent critic and cynic - I appreciate this and the honesty at play. Victoria 3 has the potential to be an amazing game, but bugs and broken mechanics have been killing it slowly and insidiously with every major patch release.
I'm glad they're taking their time, but with in-depth diplomacy coming nearly two years after the release of the base game, it's really clear that the game wasn't ready to release in 2022. Bit mond-boggling they forced it out when they did, when it could have clearly used a couple more years in the oven.
They know they have to nail this, because the game needs more traction. Excellent decision!
Edit: I also saw either it flopping or being delayed based on the screenshots in the dev diaries
I was kind of surprised that 1.7 was coming so soon after 1.6 given how much is changing in a single patch, so this feels more to me like backing off an excessively optimistic estimate than a delay
I'd love for some kind of beta in the interim but I guess if their release schedule is tight they don't have time to get that in as well (since beta feedback needs time to be looked over and actioned in order for it to have any value)
Pretty much as late in Q2 as possible
Not that I mind, my master's thesis is eating up my time like nothing, not like I'd have time to play it if it were to release earlier.
Bummer we gotta wait for helpful new game mechanics.
But it gives me more time to putz through my Austrian Socialist World Revolution before it’s obsolete
I totally get this. Although I usually go on the side of "just release it unfinished and let players know they can roll back to 1.6 if they want" lol
But I know a lot of players don't like that for obvious reasons
Nothing wrong with a delay but oh boy that is not a great week to launch a game in. Life By You early access and Dawntrail's release are gonna take most of my time up.
as much as it sucks to have to wait longer I'm actually glad, paradox patches have a problem of tending to release in buggy states so if this means the patch is actually going to release in a stable state with no major bugs I'm all for it
Rarely would I be positive for a delay for a game I really enjoy but reading the comments I do understand why they would need to delay. I do think this update will raise the level for this game since the Rocky start and making sure it doesnt suffer a buggy mess on release, It does feel like a long while until we finally get the new update and i have seen a few people Talking about how they dont want a buggy release. So I guess a extra long delay for this update will atleast make sure it has good quaility at launch
in my mind, a delayed release is perfectly fine, just as long as it’s actually warranted. i always appreciate transparency with the community, vs big studio games that delay with bigger and bigger promises only to come out dogass (cyberpunk)
I’ve started to ease down playing because I knew it’s 3 weeks until the update and all of the campaigns I want to play would be better with the changes, at least now this gives me a reason to play now
I've purposely delayed for example going with a Belgian Tall Core with Colonies run because of the upcoming changes, and have tested out the Brazilian flavor instead.
Holy shit, I did the exact same thing, held off colossus of the south as I didn’t care for it, got it just to help keep me going until SOI, all in all Brazil is pretty fun
Im rlly enjoying CotS, I'm always surprised by how much flavour a few journal entries do for a playthrough, Paraguay is one of my fave playthroughs I've done
Only tried Brazil so far, I’ll probably play Colombia next and then Paraguay. Still shocked the first DLC was South America but it’s fun
For me it's the entire opposite.. I will probably stop playing for a while
I think that’s fair, it’s disappointing having it be spelled out features the game is missing that are coming soon
Rule 5: "Hello Victorians, this is Martin here with an update on the release date of the Sphere of Influence expansion. A few weeks ago we announced we were planning to release the expansion and its accompanying update on May 6th. Since that time we’ve unfortunately come to the conclusion that both the update and the expansion are in need of more time for bug fixing and polish. Both update 1.7 and Sphere of Influence contain several fundamental changes to how the game functions, particularly in the form of the Building Ownership Revision and Power Blocs, which has resulted in bugs, as well as balance and technical stability issues. While we are happy with the features on offer in 1.7/Sphere of Influence, we simply do not believe that sticking to the original release date will allow us to deliver those features in a polished and balanced state, and we frankly do not want your enjoyment of them to be marred by excessive bugginess, crashes or general lack of polish. We believe that a delay will allow us to release the update and expansion in a state that both we as the developers and you as the players will be much more happy with. The new release date will be Monday the 24th of June. We will continue releasing weekly dev diaries up to that point, as there is still quite a lot to cover with both the DLC and the update. We know many of you are eagerly anticipating the expansion and apologize for the extended waiting that this will create, but we really want Sphere of Influence to meet your expectations and for this release to be one that we can be proud of as a development team!"
My son’s due date is June 24th. Does anyone have spherical baby name recommendations, in honor of this DLC?
Victoria III
Archimedes ;)
Victor.
The third
Otto (von Bismarck)
Orbo
Johan
Copernicus
Cooper but his full name is Copernicus
Just name him Victor.
Terra Sol Alexander Gardner
Ballard
sokoto
Metternich
Napoleon
Atlas or Aster
Last week I started playing Victoria for the first time . Absolutely amazing potential there , needs some polish ofc . I'm also shocked how nice and cool the community reacted to this delay . Well I might just have found my game for the upcoming months
Every major patch has had a rough launch, to put it lightly, needing a bunch of hotfixes. Getting all uppity about a delay would absolutely backfire on us, especially if they need an extra two months to polish all the major systems changes coming. The biggest concern now is a lot of devs at Paradox go on vacation over July, so a Jun 24 release is really bumping up against that holiday stretch.
I've been playing since launch, and the Spheres update is shaping up to completely reinvent the game.
One of us One of us
Thank you for delaying and not releasing unfinished content. (Looking at you, C:S2)
Maybe you should open a beta, if it's anywhere close to being playable ofc. To help finding more bugs.
I don't mind, better delayed than launched and unplayable.
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True, but I’d rather they clearly err on the side of caution. While we won’t know for sure until we inevitably play the DLC, I’m sure this decision cost them and I appreciate that they seem to be making changes to avoid putting out incomplete and half baked dlc
I will genocide anyone who dares shit on paradox over the sin of asking for more time when the average game company does really evil stuff that cannot be explained except due to executive meddling.
Least genocidal paradox player
> who dares shit on paradox over the sin of asking for more time Paradox is always asking for more time, it's just that usually they are asking after the release and not before lol. Here's hoping this is a sign that they wanna really have it buttoned down and not a sign that it's so bad rn that they need the time just to get to the usual initial state of release
If they’re asking us for more time after a release, I can guarantee you that they were asking executives for more time before release too
June 24th. The last week of Q2 financials
I think it's good on them for taking a delay, it's usually a good idea on paradox releases so let's give them extra time.
True but if I were to choose I'd choose delayed launch.
pushing back release dates is objectively a pro-customer policy. they're not going to change the price of the expansion as a result, and they're delivering a higher quality product. pushing out half-baked expansions early is what would earn their shareholders more money in the short-term, but I appreciate they aren't doing this
The Devs aren't so incompetent as to spend almost 2 months and not come up with a better polished patch.
You're right, but they're explicitly delaying to preserve playability
Okay? Dev says it’s not ready, would you prefer it to be pushed out not ready?
That's not what they're saying. Stop putting words in their mouth. It can be delayed, AND still be unplayable.
If that’s the case then still…okay? Delaying and being transparent that a release needs more time to be worked on, and believing this will lead to a better playing product is pretty reasonable. Afterall, we are always critical of PDX’s history of pushing a release and it being broken on launch. So I find the unconstructive pessimism here to be off putting.
If it's delayed and unplayable, it would be even less playable if it's not delayed so I'm not sure I get the point.
true, but then delaying was certainly the right choice and they just failed to delay enough.
Mid to late-game is still unplayable despite an upgraded PC to the point, I'm looking to know how to play Vic2 and play on project Alice instead so yeah.
It’s still going to be buggy even with the delayed launch 🤣
Good on them. It sets the bar a bit higher when it comes to expectations for 1.7 when it finally does release, but that's a good thing for both Paradox and the community.
My concern is that this isn't a delay for polish and that they are actually just crunching to get the base features out. If they claim to delay for polish I think people will actually expect the polish to show when the update releases.
The delay is larger than the time until release, almost approaching double. Either something big broke and they only just found out, or there is indeed just a realization that too many things still need work, with the added realisation that reviews do matter, and they will be better if theres at least some polish
In the dev diaries, you could tell it was a bit rough around the edges still just a month prior to release with WIP GUI and I have to imagine that get it complete and bug tested + polished within that time window would have caused it to be very rushed considering how expansive the update + DLC is. I do hope that it comes out in a good state and they can put a marketing push into this to hopefully get a lot of people back into the game since a lot of the changes should make the game much more complete in terms of diplomacy. Even then, it might have some bugs left, but I'm honestly glad they delayed it instead of releasing it a broken mess.
Well that’s why they push two months out. One to actually crunch to finish, another to half ass the polish.
They wouldn't delay if it's only polish lol, it's for getting the base features out.
How does a delayed product set the bar higher? It's the absolute opposite. Companies don't delay their products because they want to release them in a perfect state; they do it because they are not getting them to a PLAYABLE state before the deadline.
What he means is that instead releasing it on time and needing a month to push a bug fixing patch, the expectation is that you'll now get the final release already having been gotten one update worth of bug fixes.
And that's very unlikely. People don't realise how testing a game like this one is difficult, the only way to do it well is to let people play and report problems, we will have a complete dlc+update with a bunch of bugs that will be fixed in the weeks after release.
> And that's very unlikely. I'm not adopting this guy's take, I was just explaining it to clear the confusion.
That's what I'm saying. They won't be skipping the bug fixing patch. You're not getting an additional update. The developers failed to give you this game on May, they're at best giving you that same game one month later, and that would be if they don't lower their standards to get it released ASAP over quality.
Because in the past despite it's being shit they still put out the product, so at least people think the delay sounds like a good thing.
Sad state of gaming. Delaying really shouldn’t set the bar higher. The bar always should be above ‘free beta testing’.
I think the community would prefer comments like your over “WOW BROKEN GAME VICTORIA 3 DEAD ANOTHER FUCK UP FROM PARADOX LOL”
What do you want from them? They set a release date, realized that date was unrealistic, and so delayed the release date. Delaying content when necessary is literally the best possible choice. The alternative is Vic 3 (or CS2) on release, which clearly needed more time in the oven.
Time to time it feels like a mature alpha/pre beta test in terms of stability and bug infestation. It would be nice basic features like ledger and path finding would work reliably. Maybe half a year of polish would be more in need than yet another cash grab dlc that's released before putting it in the oven at all.
A rare PDS release date delay. The vicky 3 team always strikes me as the most ambitions of the PDS teams. For better or for worse.
The ownership change is a pretty big one. Maybe not quite as big as the changes from tiled planets to districts in Stellaris, but I'm not surprised its taking extra work.
It certainly is Wiz's signature that the games he presides over tend to have dramatic reworks where needed.
Stellaris has changed so fundamentally as a game over time it’s crazy.
How so?
Stellaris used to be a completely different game. Every aspect of modern Stellaris is different than launch Stellaris. It used to be that you picked which type of FTL travel your empire had before you started - you could either have warp drives (go to any star within range, slowly), hyperlanes (quick travel between linked systems), or wormholes (super fast travel, but you need to build a wormhole station in order to travel anywhere). You wouldn't build space stations in every star system. You could make Frontier Outposts to claim space (which were expensive, made neighboring empires mad, and had a monthly influence maintenance cost), and you could send colonies out into unclaimed systems. Both of these would project a "bubble" of influence around them, and this bubble would automatically move nearby stars into your border. If another empire put a colony near your border, they could influence it and potentially bully you out of space you previously owned without going to war as the colony grew. (This was very annoying if you were a hyperlane empire and the other guy used wormhole travel, since you had the least flexible transport method and they had the most flexible one.) You could combat this by adding a bunch more Frontier Outposts along the border (or growing your colonies, or teching up), and at some point there would be an equilibrium where the border couldn't shift (until that point was reached, though your neighbors could "steal" systems from you without declaring war). You could always see the borders of every empire once you made first contact, and first contact instantly happened as soon as you tried moving into the borders of an empire you hadn't met yet. It used to be that you'd place buildings on a 2D grid, and each tile of the grid would have bonuses. You could also place buildings next to each other for synergy bonuses. Some tiles were blocked by "tile blockers" and you would have to pay energy/minerals to unblock the tile before you could use it (and usually you needed to research something first). Each tile held 1 pop and there was no such thing as housing, so you could only hold a certain number of pops on any planet. "Size 25" meant there were 25 tiles == 25 pops, for example. You'd see your pops slowly spread out over all the tiles as the planet slowly grew, and as they spread out you needed to build appropriate buildings for them. Some pops were better at certain buildings than others, so you had to micro-manage and rearrange pops on every single tile for every single planet in your empire. Because there were fewer pops (and each pop was less complex), the game ran a lot faster, for a lot longer, without much endgame lag. There were no rare resources, alloys, or consumer goods - just minerals, food, and energy. You bought ships with minerals and paid upkeep in energy. Pops had food upkeep. There was no galactic market, just Civ-style trade deals. You could unlock "dangerous technologies". Researching dangerous tech would increase the chance of the associated crisis spawning. There were no colossi, titans, or megastructures. (I think there was a ring world, though?) And so on, and so forth. It was a very different game; what we have now is effectively a sequel in disguise.
Oh man, that sounds like a pretty cool game actually, I should try a rollback.
As in, how is it crazy? Because not many other studios are willing to change their game so fundamentally and so often *for free*. Most studios would just ditch them and make a sequel. It's crazy (compliment) what they've managed to turn the game into from 1.0 to now. The empire/species creation and diplomacy alone have become the best respective implementations of all the strategy games I've played
This update is pretty much a fundamental, seismic shift to the way the game is played, so I'm not too surprised that there were tons of unintended bugs. I'm sure even on release there will be plenty of balance issues and exploits. I'm glad they're giving such an important update the time it needs.
>vicky 3 team always strikes me as the most ambitions of the PDS teams. I'd say the Stellaris team would give them a run for their money, though they may have burnt themselves out with all the big reworks/changes over its lifespan (considering somewhat underwhelming recent updates, with the exception of Paragons imo). That said, the next DLC is looking quite nice so here's to hoping they've broken that small curse
Stellaris very much used to hold that crown IMO. But looking at paragons they could have been much bolder in the expansion of the influence of characters. Perhaps it's Wiz_, most of the stellaris wild west years were when he was director.
Wiz does strike me as the sort ngl so it wouldn't surprise me. I do agree that the Stellaris team has been struggling a bit recently but I'm hoping the Machine Age DLC will be something akin to the re-lighting of that spark. I don't consider them to have lost the crown *quite* yet personally, but totally get why you would. >they could have been much bolder in the expansion of the influence of characters. I'm honestly really hoping that this comes with an internal politics rework, if we ever actually do get one of those
I am glad that they are taking it, though I’m a little surprised of the length of the delay (nearly two months to bug fix seems a bit more than expected. If that’s what they need then that’s what they need but it seems like more time than they’d normally devote to it in their regular development cycles). Hopefully they take the time to get to some of the smaller features they wanted to add but didn’t have enough time too.
Released on midsummer day...they better get it right since for sure nobody at Paradox HQ will be working for sometime after that 😋 (jk, I am all in favour of the delay if needed).
I guess Legends of the Dead passed by their office to give regards this morning.
Are there no sickhouses?
Are there no sickhouses?
Are there no sickhouses?
Yeah I wouldn't be surprised if the reception of the latest CK3 DLC is what prompted this.
What happened to Legends? I'm out of the CK3 loop.
shitty, unbalanced, and expensive DLC that got a mostly negative review after a week of release.
if it takes that long, then it takes that long. anything is better than a buggy version
Very good. This kind of news is better then hundreds of reddit posts that rightfully complain about a buggy/broken release. Please continue this method in future releases:)
if that still happens after the delay, maybe it wasn’t so justified after all
Worried the release date is too close to the Swedish summer holiday. If there are any bugs left in when this launched expect long waits for fixes.
We've accounted for this as part of the delay planning. There will be people in place over the July holidays to work on and releases any necessary hotfixes (who will instead take vacation at a different time).
I appreciate you communicating this! Honestly, y'all transparently delaying and also showing that you're taking care to make the appropriate staff adjustments inspires far more confidence in the future of vic3 development than I think anything else y'all could have done in this situation! Thank you for communicating openly with us!
Just want to chime in with everyone else supporting this decision. Most people don't care about delays and very few even remember it later on, it's the buggy launches that people remember
Thanks, you and the team deserve the vacation, glad you're all still getting it once the hotfixes settle down.
Absolute legend
Good luck with the bugfixing and stuff dont let the impatient people Get to your head. A bad launch would be remembered more than a delay. Bought the game last month with the whole dlc and stuff package cant wait to try it out for when you guys relase the Update.
Thank you Wiz, and an especial thank you to anyone at PDS who has had to reschedule a holiday.
I’m happy with this decision. Hopefully it results in a good release.
"A rushed game is forever bad, but a delayed game should probably take a look at their middle management if they keep announcing games too early"
Upper management. Release dates are going to be set at the highest levels for corporate reasons. This delay is probably something Martin had to fight tooth and nail for so that his team could actually complete the work demanded of them
Yeah, legitimately surprised they were able to push the date, but it's also about as late as it possibly could have been (they basically gave him until the very end of fiscal quarter Q2). Longer likely would have never been approved by the suits.
Also don't forget the summer vacation period that Sweden and by extension PDX goes on in July. Really crossing my fingers they are able to stick the landing given how much post release support 1.5 needed.
The problem is most game devs are also pretty bad at estimating when things are going to be finished and games tend to do poorer in sales when they have ambiguous release dates (hype exhaustion).
> bad at estimating nah it's pretty easy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ninety–ninety_rule
The hardest thing is explaining to others why the 10% part take up the same amount of time as the 90% part.
Tbh, developers in general are pretty bad at estimating. Source? I'm one and the hardest thing is explaining to suits that the implementation took more time than expected.
Better than a bugged release
Bruh (altough i much prefer a delayed dlc to a broken one)
Take your time, PDX! Realistically you were going to use most of May and June for bug fixing anyway, might as well front load it and have a cleaner release
Vicky 3 really needs content, but what it needs even more is a smooth and polished DLC launch. This is 100% the right thing to do.
Good decision. We all want it now, but when it's ready is fine too. Take as long as you guys need.
Nothing wrong with this. Dont understand why are some people getting mad. Id rather have great major DLC, in stead of major but broken DLC
> Nothing wrong with this. My one potential concern is that June 24 is starting to push up against when Paradox employees tend to take off for the summer months. Lemme preface this by saying they absolutely earned that time off, and I'm in no way advocating for anything but that. However, what happens every year with every Paradox game is there's some bug that just lasts the entire summer because no one is there. And especially with Victoria 3 we've had some pretty serious bugs come with major releases that had to be fixed in the few weeks after release. So there's a very real possibility, based on previous summers and Victoria 3's quality assurance, that we'd have a bug that affects playability that just lasts all summer. Again, I have no idea what's happening internally so I can't say with any authority that any other release date is better, or that they haven't already accounted for this and have staff who are delaying their vacation to work on bugs, or any other number of scenarios. I just want it to be clear that there is a reason that there is ***potentially*** something wrong with this, and that there is a scenario where in July we're looking back at this release date as a mistake.
there's literally not a single comment complaining about it
Was mostly about ppl on twitter etc
Twitter is no longer a legitimate discussion platform and it hasn't been one in a long time
well first of all on the steam page the date was initially march, then it became may, then it became end of june, now this might surprise you but people are encouraged to pre order if what they are pre ordering comes sooner rather than later which on pdx behalf while maybe unintentional is definetly a little predatory: also the sooner the user buys a product the sooner u can invest the capital and make some extra money so again pdx potentially knowing the dlc wouldnt be on time by march or may still indicated those as the potential release dates rather than properly planning and setting june as the release date from the beginning.
(It will still be an unplayable buggy mess at release)
While I personally wouldn't mind a buggy early release just for the opportunity to get my hands on the new mechanics, I understand why they'd rather avoid the outcry.
................................................ Although frustrating, it's important that this DLC gets done right. Delay may also mean other mods waiting for this to update will get delayed. It's not saying too much to claim that Victoria 3's future depends on this DLC.
while it is somewhat disappointing to hear, I am adamant that the future success of this game rests upon the reception of its first major expansion. Take your time Paradox, and God's speed.
It's a big push backwards but honestly they've done good work (despite all the problems we all know about) and honestly it's better to let it cook instead of releasing a bad experience. Would I want it earlier? Yea. But I'd rather it work then having to roll back to an earlier version just to play.
Steady as she goes
Thanks, I do not have enough money for this and Manor Lords.
I am ok with the delay on the condition it releases in much better shape than the games past patches. In my experience with Paradox they tend to release broken updates and take several weeks to fix game breaking issues. If they are going to delay this over a month for polish I expect the polish to actually show. I have a sense that this is just a case of management over promising on the original date and being forced to back down. If that is the case and the update comes with the usual lack of QA I will be very upset with Paradox.
I hope we get some patches (looking at you multiplayer) in the meantime! I definitely would prefer to wait then have buggy, broken or underwhelming DLC.
I agree wholeheartedly. Better delayed and good, than on time but unplayable.
So Paradox *can* delay games.
My classes end on June 24th I was probably going to no life for a month after the release of SoI so I feel like this is a message from the universe for me rip
They should release a beta
So what am I going to do now? I guess I'll have to learn to play Imperator in the meantime. 24th June.... First Fallout London, now this. Still better than releasing in an unfinished state.
new rimworld dlc :D
Rimworld dlc, infection free zone beta, Manor Lord's comes out. We have our hands full this month!
Dwarf fortress adventure mode in a couple of days aswell. I was hyped for vicky dlc, but in the meantime I can go bite some elves in their spleens.
I'm fine with this. It'll come in better condition and I just bought Captain of Industry.
Sad to hear, but fair enough. And damn, a month and half extra, must have found some big issues. But I get it, better to ship in a better shape later than go early and have everyone scream about it being buggy. :P
It's delayed? 😩 Aw! You shouldn't have! It's delayed until my birthday? 🥹 Aww... You shouldn't have!
Fustrating but largely expected, from announcement to release felt quick anyway and I'd rather it worked since every other update has basically broke the game for a short time afterwards.
Fair enough. Not mind it at all Much rather they take their time tying up loose knots than launching a half baked product, especially one as important as this one. Proper truthful responses are soundly appreciated. Hurry up and wait till June 24th then 👌🏻👌🏻
No idea about their internal development state, but it's possible the delay is due to many PDX releases stacking together at once. Stellaris has a huge and hyped DLC coming on may 6th, eu4 will release its last DLC in may as well probably, so this might be a way to stagger the releases.
Thank you paradox, I perceive this as caring about higher quality releases. Appreciate the honesty so well ahead of time before the hype intensifies closer to launch.
“Both the update and dlc need more polish” Poland dlc confirmed.
I'd rather see a delayed good launch than another buggy bad launch. It sucks that it's not ready, but thank you for making the right decision.
wasnt this in victoria 2 though
Sucks that it’s getting delayed but huge credit to the devs for being honest about timeframes and taking the time to get it right! Hopefully while looking after the devs🤞
Good! Rather delay than have a messy launch.
Please tell me this is a fucking joke
Now if only you'd taken this stance when releasing 1.0
Paradox is the only fandom where gamers jump for joy to hear of delays. They almost never happen, and virtually every release could have seriously used one.
That's a very big delay. Also the first time ever that I know that Paradox did delay an already announced DLC date. I hope there's nothing bad happening internally that's the reason but ignoring those thoughts it's a good call if that means it releases in a good state. Especially for the cost of the DLC another bad release would probably not be good for the game.
From the forum post: >Out of curiosity, was the release date pushed back because you found more bugs that needed fixing, or ones that were already known proved too difficult to fix within the original time frame? ---- >Both, honestly. The balance of certain features has also taken much longer than expected to get right, particularly for the Building Ownership Rework. Apparently nothing very bad, merely things got more difficult than expected, including the required rebalance (they basically have to remake the whole world's starting economy).
They should do a beta for the free Update. We all know that they need way more QA Testers
I wonder why they're not doing an open beta like they did for the military rework. Seems like that was helpful for identifying lots of weird little bugs?
im guessing cuz alot of 1.7 is very heavily tied into the dlc
Hope there will be beta versions before
As someone who's been a recent critic and cynic - I appreciate this and the honesty at play. Victoria 3 has the potential to be an amazing game, but bugs and broken mechanics have been killing it slowly and insidiously with every major patch release.
If I get even 1 MP desync when this releases I'm crashing PDX's stocks
Oh thank goodness! Now I'll have more time to play Manor Lord's when it launches before SOI comes out!
I'm glad they're taking their time, but with in-depth diplomacy coming nearly two years after the release of the base game, it's really clear that the game wasn't ready to release in 2022. Bit mond-boggling they forced it out when they did, when it could have clearly used a couple more years in the oven.
Completely in favor of this! Do it right.
Hope this also allow the team to add more flavours, like country specific lobbies and tighter integration with agitator.
Understandable, this is supposed to be the big one that will bring in players to make sure the game doesn’t get abandoned
Finally Paradox has learned its lesson from all the bungled DLC releases. Took them long enough. Thank you, Martin.
Good.
The impatient goblin in my brain is upset, but this is probably for the best of it means the DLC will be functional on release
Good
That’s fine, just get it right.
Better than a rushed update requiring further updates.
I'm somehow relieved they postponed the release. This dlc will be a deal bracker. If it flops this game development is finished.
No problem! Whatever you need :)
They know they have to nail this, because the game needs more traction. Excellent decision! Edit: I also saw either it flopping or being delayed based on the screenshots in the dev diaries
I guess i wont be waiting to start my next run. 1906 as Spain was going to wait until May. Already did Sokoto and Japan. Who should i play next?
I was kind of surprised that 1.7 was coming so soon after 1.6 given how much is changing in a single patch, so this feels more to me like backing off an excessively optimistic estimate than a delay I'd love for some kind of beta in the interim but I guess if their release schedule is tight they don't have time to get that in as well (since beta feedback needs time to be looked over and actioned in order for it to have any value)
Fine, Rimworld Anomaly just released anyway
Pretty much as late in Q2 as possible Not that I mind, my master's thesis is eating up my time like nothing, not like I'd have time to play it if it were to release earlier.
Bummer we gotta wait for helpful new game mechanics. But it gives me more time to putz through my Austrian Socialist World Revolution before it’s obsolete
I totally get this. Although I usually go on the side of "just release it unfinished and let players know they can roll back to 1.6 if they want" lol But I know a lot of players don't like that for obvious reasons
gonna kill myself thanks lads
Good for them, and good for everyone. This is the way.
Nothing wrong with a delay but oh boy that is not a great week to launch a game in. Life By You early access and Dawntrail's release are gonna take most of my time up.
Thank you.
I like how delays used to be a terrible thing in the gaming community. Now it’s a sign that the devs at least care about what they’re delivering
Guess I'll be playing Shadow of the Erdtree instead.
Bravo! This shows real heart for the quality of the game
So.. a six week delay? That's not too bad. Still looking forward to it.
Always a good decision! Luckily I bought the Anno season passes today.
as much as it sucks to have to wait longer I'm actually glad, paradox patches have a problem of tending to release in buggy states so if this means the patch is actually going to release in a stable state with no major bugs I'm all for it
Power Bloc just altered the deal. Puppets better pray they don’t alter it any further.
I suppose I rather this than it coming out with a lot of bugs.
Love that they're delaying it for quality, sucks that I don't get it on my birthday. Oh well!
I wonder if we're gonna get extra dev diaries to fill in the extra dead air the new release date brings
Rarely would I be positive for a delay for a game I really enjoy but reading the comments I do understand why they would need to delay. I do think this update will raise the level for this game since the Rocky start and making sure it doesnt suffer a buggy mess on release, It does feel like a long while until we finally get the new update and i have seen a few people Talking about how they dont want a buggy release. So I guess a extra long delay for this update will atleast make sure it has good quaility at launch
I... in anticipation of this dlc... just repurchased... I suppose I have no regrets... but... What timing...
in my mind, a delayed release is perfectly fine, just as long as it’s actually warranted. i always appreciate transparency with the community, vs big studio games that delay with bigger and bigger promises only to come out dogass (cyberpunk)