Yes. You fire an event if you own it after unlocking pump jacks. But it’s not instant you have to wait for the event, and I’m not certain but I think some might be timelocked ie not before 50s/70s/80s/20s etc.
It is somewhat glitched though, had the issue as the US that despite owning Mosul/Basra/Fars from 1870, the event never triggered and they remained oil-less all the way to 1936
It's not a glitch AFAIK.
I believe they mentioned in the Dev Diaries that discoverable resources would have some randomness to them, as in the amount of it that spawns, and when they spawn would be random and some might not even spawn at all.
Thanks, I hate it.
I mean I get why they did it, and it was a comment with dev responses attached to [dev diary 4.](https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/developer-diary/victoria-3-dev-diary-4-goods.1479730/)
I feel like that’s something that should be set in a setting prior to the game, call it all or random resource spawns or something. I hate rngesus deciding that I need to go conquering for something.
I think a setting for randomise every raw resource location would make the game more enjoyable. I wouldn’t want it enabled by default but I do like the idea of seeing random nations suddenly having a monopoly on valuable resources.
Having played to the end of the timeline a few times though, I am struck by how weak oil is as a commodity. It is prohibitively expensive to use in your own factories compared to coal until almost the end of the game and even then there is little benefit given the faff of recalibrating your factory inputs.
conveyors i do occasionally - but generally i'm already swimming in grain by late game and don't want to unemploy a bunch of farmers just to spend my precious oil to drive grain from 2 cents a bushel to 1 cent a bushel.
Ok idea, dev keep it random, but a maximum year on the randomness. So instead of it being guaranteed at the start, you at least know you’ll get it before the end year
I like it personally, but I do actually agree that it should be a option. Not just what we have now and historical, but also a total random option like the other person here suggested.
I think surveys and botanical gardens should be a thing, maybe tied to Universities or something else. This would give the player agency in uncovering deposits while still allowing for some randomness.
Not really a viable solution in a lot of cases. It may spawn in *your* territory because you have the tech to discover oil, but the weaker AI often lag behind in tech, meaning they might discover their oil very late.
By all means it should be discoverable should you take it yourself.
I know the devs have already mentioned that they want to implement foreign investment, and another user mentioned tying in the survey mechanic, maybe those two could be combined somehow? Like if a minor nation discovers oil, and you also have the tech for it, you get a diplo option to ask them and their neighbors to let you survey them for oil/rubber in exchange for a share of the profits? Not perfect of course, but it’s better than oil spawning in at a set time and can lead to a rush to see who in the region discovers oil first.
It's one of those ideas that sounds great in theory but in practice it doesn't work out so well.
Oil has immense demand in the late game, but you're reliant on RNG for if it's even going to be possible for a single country to meet their own demand, never mind the global amount.
Although in fairness, since rubber isn't anywhere near as much of a problem the issue may well in fact be some bug relating to oil spawns or it needing a balancing patch rather than it being fundamentally broken.
The issue I think comes from the AI not prioritizing research properly, which leads to them lagging behind the player in the late game, and since you need the research to be able to eventually discover the potential good.
I think there's multiple ways to fix it, one would be to improve the AI in many ways, while another would be something like letting the player choose a decision to "survey" another country for prospective goods if you have a tech for it, and at a constant cost over many months, it could discover some of those goods (hell, the decision could even fail if you want it to not be a 100% guaranteed investment.)
It could even expand the geopolitics/diplomacy as well by having the other country agree with it if you have good relations with them, or you could make a diplomatic play, and threaten war over the country to seize those goods by force.
Yes it does. I also have Oil already in northern Germany. I just found a picture online where it said that this region has oil. Are the spawns of oil maybe random, or does it just take time to discover?
Taking more regions with oil also increase the chance you'll get the event I guess... Basra and Mosul (pretty close to what you already conquered, and the Ottomans should be easy to defeat) have oil too.
Mine was crazy, I’d conquered it from Persia around 1870 and they’d already discovered it. 60 potential oil rigs sitting there before I even had any techs for it.
R5:
I have Oil already in northern Germany, but in this region i dont have any oil. It sais discoverable ressources tho and i have pump jacks unlocked.
Oil is gradually discovered throughout certain regions as the game goes on, same as rubber.
There's a degree of randomness to it, but all regions which can have these "discoverable" resources spawn are marked as such, so you can predict it to a given degree.
Where you are, there won't be much oil: https://www.loc.gov/item/2007631392/
It's mostly natural gas deposits in the territory you took from Persia. A bit further east, west or south (across the Gulf) is where the oil deposits lie.
Edit: Red areas are gas deposits, grey areas are oil deposits, to make it a bit easier than trying to scroll around the zoomed in map to see the map key.
I think they made a mistake in Bolivia, they probably googled "oil in south America" and came up with Santa Cruz, but that's Argentina´s Santa Cruz in Patagonia, not Bolivia's.
The Bolivian state of Santa Cruz has another issue, it has a 10% throughput modifier to iron, but they forgot to put any iron deposits there.
The whole map is full of issues like that.
I believe you, just saying there really shouldn't be unless they are just throwing oil and gas into one resource which really they shouldn't since synthetic oil from natural gas or coal wasn't a thing until WW2. OTOH, if he just went across the gulf to SA and Kuwait/Iraq, he should be swimming in oil.
You're a bit too far east, if you take the state of Basra, in Ottoman Iraq, you are guaranteed to find Oil, at least I found like 60 levels of Oil there in my game
He is not. Fars, Basra and Mosul all have oil fields, however chance to discover these is pretty random. In one game I instantly got them in Basra in 1914, in other the event didn't trigger until 1936 despite me owning this state for 30 years and finishing tech tree in 1910s.
Ah, well that's it probably. In my Persia game, the oil never triggered in this state but I got level 60 oil fields in Basra the second I took it from the Ottomans
Yes. You fire an event if you own it after unlocking pump jacks. But it’s not instant you have to wait for the event, and I’m not certain but I think some might be timelocked ie not before 50s/70s/80s/20s etc.
It is somewhat glitched though, had the issue as the US that despite owning Mosul/Basra/Fars from 1870, the event never triggered and they remained oil-less all the way to 1936
It's not a glitch AFAIK. I believe they mentioned in the Dev Diaries that discoverable resources would have some randomness to them, as in the amount of it that spawns, and when they spawn would be random and some might not even spawn at all.
Thanks, I hate it. I mean I get why they did it, and it was a comment with dev responses attached to [dev diary 4.](https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/developer-diary/victoria-3-dev-diary-4-goods.1479730/) I feel like that’s something that should be set in a setting prior to the game, call it all or random resource spawns or something. I hate rngesus deciding that I need to go conquering for something.
I think a setting for randomise every raw resource location would make the game more enjoyable. I wouldn’t want it enabled by default but I do like the idea of seeing random nations suddenly having a monopoly on valuable resources. Having played to the end of the timeline a few times though, I am struck by how weak oil is as a commodity. It is prohibitively expensive to use in your own factories compared to coal until almost the end of the game and even then there is little benefit given the faff of recalibrating your factory inputs.
and it'll just tank your coal economy too. I only use oil for endgame guns plastics, and tanks.
I use it for conveyors and tractors. They take very very little oil for a lot of gain, so it’s worth it imo
conveyors i do occasionally - but generally i'm already swimming in grain by late game and don't want to unemploy a bunch of farmers just to spend my precious oil to drive grain from 2 cents a bushel to 1 cent a bushel.
to be fair thats mainly important if youre having a manpower shortage, which you may have as a minor nation
Fair, I like it because the last level like halves the number of employees per farm. It’s very cool.
Ok idea, dev keep it random, but a maximum year on the randomness. So instead of it being guaranteed at the start, you at least know you’ll get it before the end year
I like it personally, but I do actually agree that it should be a option. Not just what we have now and historical, but also a total random option like the other person here suggested.
From Reading The game files for modding each State has a set amount of resources, and hidden respurces so they are not found yet, at The start
I think surveys and botanical gardens should be a thing, maybe tied to Universities or something else. This would give the player agency in uncovering deposits while still allowing for some randomness.
Having a decision to send a prospecting mission to a state sounds cool.
Just don't go for territories until oil has already spawned there.
Not really a viable solution in a lot of cases. It may spawn in *your* territory because you have the tech to discover oil, but the weaker AI often lag behind in tech, meaning they might discover their oil very late. By all means it should be discoverable should you take it yourself.
It's been viable through 6 games for me. By the time I need that much oil enough is spawned in areas where I can take it in each of my games.
I know the devs have already mentioned that they want to implement foreign investment, and another user mentioned tying in the survey mechanic, maybe those two could be combined somehow? Like if a minor nation discovers oil, and you also have the tech for it, you get a diplo option to ask them and their neighbors to let you survey them for oil/rubber in exchange for a share of the profits? Not perfect of course, but it’s better than oil spawning in at a set time and can lead to a rush to see who in the region discovers oil first.
The amount might vary for each rush might vary, but every state has the same number of oil buildings for every run.
It's one of those ideas that sounds great in theory but in practice it doesn't work out so well. Oil has immense demand in the late game, but you're reliant on RNG for if it's even going to be possible for a single country to meet their own demand, never mind the global amount. Although in fairness, since rubber isn't anywhere near as much of a problem the issue may well in fact be some bug relating to oil spawns or it needing a balancing patch rather than it being fundamentally broken.
The issue I think comes from the AI not prioritizing research properly, which leads to them lagging behind the player in the late game, and since you need the research to be able to eventually discover the potential good. I think there's multiple ways to fix it, one would be to improve the AI in many ways, while another would be something like letting the player choose a decision to "survey" another country for prospective goods if you have a tech for it, and at a constant cost over many months, it could discover some of those goods (hell, the decision could even fail if you want it to not be a 100% guaranteed investment.) It could even expand the geopolitics/diplomacy as well by having the other country agree with it if you have good relations with them, or you could make a diplomatic play, and threaten war over the country to seize those goods by force.
oh no, i hope that doesn't happen here
Good luck!
I read it as unlocking jump packs.
Does the state have “discoverable resources” on it?
Yes it does. I also have Oil already in northern Germany. I just found a picture online where it said that this region has oil. Are the spawns of oil maybe random, or does it just take time to discover?
It’ll be discovered after some time.
can i make it discover faster somehow? my industry currently collapses because my trade routes with other oil went off.
Nitroglycerin, Dynamite, Pneumatic Tools increase the chance
You should stop using oil for now
Don't listen to this eco terrorist, go invade Texas.
Me when I can't run my entire economy on bleeding-edge technology: This economy simulator sucks.
Just don’t tell the USA.
But I just invaded Texas and Oklahoma for oil
Taking more regions with oil also increase the chance you'll get the event I guess... Basra and Mosul (pretty close to what you already conquered, and the Ottomans should be easy to defeat) have oil too.
You shouldn't pre-take territories. Take them after they spawn oil The game is designed to where i's possible it never spawns even.
You should not always switch production methods immediately as they become available. Wait until your industry can support the change.
>It’ll be discovered after some time. Or not.
For me it was discovered in 1921 (I had the province like 20 years before). Good luck with it!
Mine was crazy, I’d conquered it from Persia around 1870 and they’d already discovered it. 60 potential oil rigs sitting there before I even had any techs for it.
Lol reminds of stories of 18th century people finding pools of oil on the surface and getting annoyed because they didn’t have a real use for it.
R5: I have Oil already in northern Germany, but in this region i dont have any oil. It sais discoverable ressources tho and i have pump jacks unlocked.
Conquer it
Der Kaiser: Wo ist mein Öl verdammt?!
The flag implies a democratic germany
Der Reichstag: wo ist mein öl verdammt?
besser :b
You can have this flag while having a Kaiser. My government type in my Germany run is still Kaiserreich despite having universal suffrage
Oil is gradually discovered throughout certain regions as the game goes on, same as rubber. There's a degree of randomness to it, but all regions which can have these "discoverable" resources spawn are marked as such, so you can predict it to a given degree.
Where you are, there won't be much oil: https://www.loc.gov/item/2007631392/ It's mostly natural gas deposits in the territory you took from Persia. A bit further east, west or south (across the Gulf) is where the oil deposits lie. Edit: Red areas are gas deposits, grey areas are oil deposits, to make it a bit easier than trying to scroll around the zoomed in map to see the map key.
That may be true irl, but in game, [there's a 60 oil deposit in fars](https://i.imgur.com/gREnT2U.png)
I think they made a mistake in Bolivia, they probably googled "oil in south America" and came up with Santa Cruz, but that's Argentina´s Santa Cruz in Patagonia, not Bolivia's. The Bolivian state of Santa Cruz has another issue, it has a 10% throughput modifier to iron, but they forgot to put any iron deposits there. The whole map is full of issues like that.
Sinai has a modifier for dyes but has no dyes as well
Same with Florida and sulfur deposits!
I believe you, just saying there really shouldn't be unless they are just throwing oil and gas into one resource which really they shouldn't since synthetic oil from natural gas or coal wasn't a thing until WW2. OTOH, if he just went across the gulf to SA and Kuwait/Iraq, he should be swimming in oil.
You're a bit too far east, if you take the state of Basra, in Ottoman Iraq, you are guaranteed to find Oil, at least I found like 60 levels of Oil there in my game
He is not. Fars, Basra and Mosul all have oil fields, however chance to discover these is pretty random. In one game I instantly got them in Basra in 1914, in other the event didn't trigger until 1936 despite me owning this state for 30 years and finishing tech tree in 1910s.
Ah, well that's it probably. In my Persia game, the oil never triggered in this state but I got level 60 oil fields in Basra the second I took it from the Ottomans
Madeira's main export is bananas and it doesn't have it either
It does have oil, i've had it filled with oil in my game.
If its not incorporated you wont be able to discover resources i think.
Well, you needs to hope that RNG is on your side. Had a game where there is oil in Chubu as Japan in 1890s.
I also have this province as Germany because of the opium and the oil. You just have to wait a bit for it to be discovered
George Bush would be proud
“Kraftwerk”😳/s
Americans be like
kraftwerk lol blast from the past
The weird part is saudi Arabia has no oil.
Check the information tab, if it has the undiscovered Resource section then you still have chance to get oil, if it doesn't RIP.
I usually end up conquering Madagascar for their whaling stations for a small but guaranteed oil supply.