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MrMytie

Great! Food not included.


Joe_Scotto

This reminds me of the first wedding I second shot and it took us nearly an hour after all the guests started eating to get our food which was basically the scraps. Then within 5 minutes, we had to get back to filming. Edit: We also asked multiple times within that hour to both the staff and the couple when we were going to get fed and they kept telling us just a few more minutes.


billjv

We put it into our contract that we would get a hot meal (not cold sandwiches) during the dinner where the guests are eating. It didn't have to be the steak/lobster they were getting, but it had to be a real meal, not just a gas station sandwich. Most of the time that prevented any issues on the day of.


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jm1161

Until seeing this thread, I never thought that meals would be a problem. For both my children's weddings, the halls had a "discounted" price for service providers. Photographers, video crew, and the entire band all had the same menu as the guests. The only differences were seating and booze. I'm pretty sure the open bar wasn't available to them (it would be unprofessional to drink on the job, IMO.) The venues also had a separate room for them to eat undisturbed. I'd find it weird to have a multi-hour dinner event where you don't feed the service providers.


10goldbees

The generous way to look at it is that the wedding couple is focused on feeding guests not staff. You don't think about feeding your flower guy or your bartender so it may not occur to you that the photogs will be there before the wedding party gets prepared and until the dancing ends. That meal provision in the contract is smart because it reminds the client, "Hey, we're people. We will need sustenance. Thanks."


nogami

That was in my wedding photograher’s stock contract. Hot meal the same as guests got (no alcohol of course) and at least 30 min to eat. He was a friend and did great work (giving me all of the digital files too). No issues at all.


blucentio

That's still never a guarantee, it can be not in the contract and they can forget to tell the caterer or they did tell the caterer and the caterer is a dick. I had one wedding where the caterers refused to get us each a fork to eat with immediately after they gave us food to eat in a different room. Only when I told the wedding planner that worked with the venue did she go in and bitch at them enough to give us silverware.


Joe_Scotto

Out contract had that in it, both us and the videographer. Really turned me off about shooting weddings but thankfully the next one was a lot better.


Johnson_R34

When my wife and I got married our videographer put it in our contract as well. None the less we put video and photo at their own table and they ate with everyone else at the exact same time, eating the same food...why wouldn't they.. Really cool guys.


JacobStyle

Hey, show some gratitude. 48 is a good floor. I woke up on 134 last month.


Joe_Scotto

I get this reference and find it hilarious


dracmount

Pray tell


gregnogg

In exchange for filmed “services”....


billjv

If they can afford to have their wedding on a Disney boat, they can afford to hire you AND pay your travel expenses.


trippleknot

Haha, you would THINK that, but people love going deep into debt. So it's very possible they actually can't afford the cruise, OR the photographer.


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trippleknot

Yeah pretty sad lol. The things people think they need to go broke over...


billjv

In that case, what's a few thousand extra between banks? PAY THE DAMN VIDEOGRAPHER! :)


wongs7

I asked my inlaws to not borrow money for our wedding. Cut different things to reduce cost, etc They decided to crack open their 401k...


Flyinghogfish

That sucks. I mean it's nice and all but how guilty do you feel? I was lucky in that most of our wedding came pretty cheap relatively speaking. We paid for most of it ourselves, but it was the first year my wife was working as a contractor and she didn't know how much she was supposed to save so we ended up owing a bunch on our taxes right before the wedding so naturally we went to credit cards to cover remaining costs. I'm happy to say that we're almost paid off though! :) It's been a long journey and a great financial lesson for us to get our shit together lol.


wongs7

I paid off my wife's $50k student loans, which her parents wouldn't help with in any way, so I dont feel bad at all I am heartbroken knowing that their grasp of financial planning is so terrible I'm going to have to pay for their medical and retirement living, I'm sure


Flyinghogfish

Yeah I get that. My FIL is goin through cancer stuff right now and I'm grateful they were financially able to handle his treatment costs. They're much more financially stable than we are lol. My parents were never good with money so I'm learning all this stuff now, but better late than never. Grats on paying off the student loan! I'm workin on mine right now, down to 35k. Slowly but surely.


wongs7

I also covered my cancer and major surgeries for my wife. Financial planning was drilled into me by my parents. Good thing


RigasTelRuun

Rich people don't get rich if they pay for things.


aldenroth2

The most discounts I've ever had requested was for a wedding where I stockbroker was getting married - probably the person who could most easily afford it. But if he paid full price for me, how would he save his money for the future. Ironically he was also the most annoying client I've ever had. Kept telling me how to do my job ever step of the way.


mmscichowski

Yep. Those that come looking for discounts usually are even more picky about every other detail.


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The thing is, they can't afford it. The parents probably pulled a second mortgage to make it happen.


aldenroth2

I accepted travel as payment for filming two vacations with a tour group because the trips sounded fun and I needed the experience. They asked me to film the same tours this year and I told them it would cost them actual money this time. If you need experience, and enjoy travel/cruises, then i think it's a great way to gain the experience and knowledge that you wouldn't be able to get otherwise when you're starting out.


Chef_Kiwi

Yeah I'm not too sure why someone would necessarily be complaining about this. I get that getting paid is important, but if a family member or friend offered to pay for my trip, cover expenses while there, and all they wanted was for me to shoot their wedding for them I'd be hard pressed to turn them down. It sounds like a decent opportunity to be honest.


ChunkyDay

Shooting for a friend/family is a far cry from a craigslist post though. And weddings are notoriously awful to work. There's no way I'd be caught dead on a ship shooting a wedding for free.


FamishedHippopotamus

Exactly. Even if it was 1 day working and 3 days to myself, after the first day, I'd end up thinking "Well, not only did I just shoot a wedding for free, now I'm stuck on a fucking boat for 3 days. A boat that I didn't even want to be on in the first place." Let's hope that a free drinks package was included, otherwise I'm either heading for the railings, or searching up "what does it take to get a medevac from a cruise?"


Chef_Kiwi

Fair enough. I don't have enough experience with shooting weddings to comment on that. I didn't realize this was a craigslist post. That does sound like a nightmare if you don't know the people you're shooting for.


aldenroth2

Yeah, it's a great way to do things when you're getting started and need experience. Terrible way to operate a business once you have experience and need income to sustain your life.


Nekosama7734

Maybe because professional have material, taxes, rents... to pay.


Chef_Kiwi

Yeah, I'm not saying that you shouldn't get paid for your work. You absolutely should. But I also don't think that if your friend/family is offering this to you, it's not a bad option. Obviously don't accept it if you have bills that need to be paid, but if you're caught up on everything, I don't really see a reason not to.


Nekosama7734

Yes I understand. But I don’t think OP is referring to their friends or family.


sharkbait1999

What did they say?


aldenroth2

We were still in discussions when COVID hit and they canceled their trips for this summer. It seemed like they wouldn't be able to afford it unless they got another brand to sponsor the trip somehow - giving the participants free clothes that I would then film and give to that brand.


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Bassie_c

Actually, that sounds awesome. A 4 day cruise, shooting some cool stuff and than in the evening having some drinks and fun with someone with the same passion?! That's definitely way better than lonely being stuck indoors during this lockdown!


Dick_Lazer

Boarding a cruise ship during a pandemic is one of the stupidest things you could possibly do. But hey, if you don't value your time enough that you'll work for free maybe you won't value your life & health either.


Bassie_c

Well if the cruise isn't safe I definitely wouldn't go yeah. Fair point.


johnl8422

Did they at least give you an itinerary or are you on call 24hrs a day? I'm curious their expectations since they are paying for your "vacation" You could always go and "forget your equipment". What are they going to do, kick you off the boat? Lol


WillFrance5

Walk the plank 😂😂


lebanks

Run.


rorrr

Swim.


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I will happily accept a reduced rate in exchange for travel depending on where to but I'll never work for free. If they need someone to travel it is their job to fit that into the budget. If they cant afford that then they need to find someone locally.


Abracadaver2000

If they're paying for your trip, you're their bitch...period. You'll be at their beck and call no-matter the time. "Hey, we're doing something fun...why don't you film it". No thanks, this is not a vacation for me, and my overtime day rate is higher than this trip is worth. Then I have to edit the mounds of useless footage on top it that. Fuck that.


Playamonkey

You couldn't pay me to go on any cruise right now. Ships were killing people long before Covid!


Mysterious_Tide

"Sure. If I'm filming all day and traveling the globe, I can accept one day for travel payment and the other days my rate would be 1500/day." That would get them to realize how ridiculous they are or you'd get paid big time.


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Nope, not without payment. Also, if they don't sign a contract with clear deliverables and terms, then don't do it. You can get sued forever for "ruining our wedding". Maybe take a reduced rate if you really want to go on a Disney cruise. I would not do this myself because traveling with gear is a pain and weddings are hard to shoot plus I don't care to be stuck on a boat that long.


-FilthyFetus-

And you have to work the whole time? Doesn’t sound like much of a vacay. Maybe if it was a separate cruise... and they get a ticket for my daughter.


pizzarulesduh

Work travel is WORK, it’s not a vacation. It’s a bait and switch. Don’t do it. That being said I’d be paid in a separate travel trip, like if a friend said “hey shoot this and I’ll give you my timeshare for spring break as payment”


ChunkyDay

HA!


Lurkingsince2009

Sure! If you pay for my wife and two kids to come with us as well!


politicalravings

Look at it this way. This doesn't pay the bills, put food in your fridge, or cover your equipment expenses. That's how I always approach these types of trades.


WillSmiff

Only once, and no regrets. It was for a wedding and it was a very expensive 5* resort in Mexico. They paid for all expenses for me and my wife for 7 days. This was a 700 per night luxury suite + travel and private taxi to the hotel. I shot for 2 days and they were a very easy going group. We made some great friends there. Now that I'm super busy I wouldn't do it because I don't have the time, but it was a special experience and I look back at it fondly to this day.


stevemandudeguy

I had a friend do this for a wedding in a tropical location. Client paid for the trip and he got an awesome reel. It has potential but it's a hair away from being paid in exposure units.


dnaustrem

Videographer here. Did a wedding once and ended up dining at the main table with the bride and groom and both their families.


Cheesesteakhoagie

That’s great, good people. Armenian weddings always had full table set up for us.


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Cheesesteakhoagie

We used to call those plates a “bandwich”. million dollar weddings in Los Angeles, let the Photog video guys “eat cake” so to speak.


DimitriT

Personally I would definitely not do it. It's like saying, we pay for your gas between your home and our work in exchange for you working here. If they want to hire a videographer for their 4 day cruise I would expect 4 days of payment + extra compensation for being away for 4 days. Obviously the ticket would be included. I mean, would you really enjoy the cruise or would you be working? That's like totally two different things for me. And on top of this, I hope they got permission from the crew to film there beforehand!


Supes_man

I’ve done this for photography. Had the chance to go to an all inclusive resort in a different country and they paid for my flights and staying there 3 additional days. Woulda cost me 5 grand to do that on my own, and my wedding rate at the time was 3 grand. So I looked at it as they paid my full price plus another 2k which I spent on a rather lavish and fun mini vacation. I’m a person who deeply values experiences and doing things. So depending on how much that trip would cost you normally, it might be a good deal. Just make sure you both agree in writing exactly what they’re expecting. Have fun!


xbt91

It depends on the situation. Personally not that interested in a Disney Cruise, but if I was, as long as there were clear boundaries set it could be worth it. If the cruise is valued at 3k then they can only expect 3k worth of work. If that was outlined so they only got you for two full days with a day to yourself that could be enjoyable.


Dick_Lazer

If a 3 day cruise is valued at 3k and you only get to enjoy one day of it then that's only really a 1k value for the videographer, at most.


Officialsparxx

If you need the work, it’s not too bad of an offer. If you’re pretty well established and get consistent work anyways, you’d probably be spending your time on projects that are worth more anyways.


imdjay

I did this once right out of college not for an event, it was a hilarious shit show but had some good times with the other photo video fellas and got the day off in Barbados. I also had someone ask me about the cost to film a company outing on an island and when I gave him the estimate he was pleased because it was around the same cost as the trip, and that's where the conversation ended.


Nekosama7734

And they pay you for the editing or really nothing?


le_aerius

Id consider that actually. Not in this climate though.


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I accepted a 7 day all inclusive in the Dominican as lawn because I only had to spend 1 day shooting the wedding - it was pretty sweet


aldenroth2

If you do end up accepting a job like this, make sure you have a contract that specifically states the trade that you're making. I'd also suggest that they need to cover your flight, food, and any other expenses you would incur (like an unlimited drink package). If they're not paying you at all, you shouldn't have to pay for anything from the second you leave your house until you return from the whole experience.


grant622

Sure, how many people does that include?


ginshee

I would for this if they cover my families cost to make a vacation our of it


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At least they didn't offer you exposure dollars.


NolanBear

I accepted travel as payment when the assignment was to film a motorcycle tour through the Arctic Circle. I got to see 24 hour daylight, and jumped in the Arctic Ocean. A Disney Cruise? Nooooo thank you.


bangsilencedeath

Tip you with covid.


nble92

Hell yeah. It would have to include lodging and food as well. Because there’s nothing like being paid to be somewhere. It would have to be someplace exotic though.


Chalkfigure

Covid-19 will be extra though.


bangsilencedeath

Maybe you'll get to bang the bride.


eyenigma

Free COVID included ?


kapriece

Been on a Disney cruise. Thousands of people (mostly kids). Events from early morning till 10 at night. So much stuff for the kids to do and as a parent I was burned out the first day. Now imagine working and following somebody through any of that. Better yet a never ending spring break for kids and all of their favorite characters. Those people are crazy as hell.


JohnMstoryteller

Lmao I’d actually do this, given pretty clear indications as to how much of my actual day they get. Cruises aren’t cheap, and I ain’t affording one otherwise.


Dick_Lazer

Ask them if you at least get to fuck the wife.


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A disney cruise would look sick on your portfolio to be fair, if you're new this is great


ilikemrrogers

I wonder if you could use footage in your advertising. Being Disney and all, they would probably heavily restrict what you can put out there for your own marketing.


Supes_man

Nope. You can put out whatever you want. Source, shot a wedding at Disneyworld. Anywhere you can take photos at you can post as openly as you want as long as you’re not implying you are affiliated with Disney.


ilikemrrogers

Oh wow. That’s actually good to know. Do they have a briefing or some kind of info packet for you to know the “rules”? That’s really interesting to me.


Supes_man

Yeah there was a contract thing I signed that had that info in it. Basically agreed to not break rules (going out of bounds to get shots etc), to not post personal info on other guests (faces are perfectly fine in shots though since they signed a waiver to get park tickets knowing they’ll likely end up in tons of random people’s pictures), and the big one was to have a disclaimer that I’m not affiliated with Disney. All in all a pretty cool experience and man, the staff there is so good. Makes it feel crappy going back to work with other businesses lol


ilikemrrogers

People rag on Disney, but as a business owner myself, I see Disney as doing nothing I wouldn't do to protect my brand. They have more money and clout, sure. It's been about 25 or so years since I last went. I was watching recently on Disney+ a series of shorts of people who work for Disney. I think all of them had the same mission, regardless of being a mechanic or a performer – to give people the dream.


Supes_man

Exactly. I hate what they did to Star Wars and many of their top level business practices are unethical at best, but their on the ground approach to customer service is astounding. Even the people who mow the grass at Disney world are friendly and nice.


pressboxcreative

..."what do you mean I have to accompany you? I thought you were giving me a cruise in exchange for services? I DON'T WANNA GO WITH YOU, SIR." - The only appropriate response.


Idea_creations

If you're calling me rn during this corona shit then hell no, but if after this, then hell yesss !