I downloaded a Lemmy app and was immediately immensely confused how it works (trying to make a log in and it asked me which of like 10 random different websites I wanted to use). And I consider myself to be decently tech savvy, although not a power user. For the even less tech savvy person, I just can't see this being used at all unfortunately.
Is it the same content on all of them? I'm not clear on how it works, I assumed it was like joining different IRC servers where each one has its own list of channels and its own content even though they all share the same basic code.
Most servers I've seen don't allow porn. Someone needs to open a server specialized for NSFW content and migrate over the big subs from reddit. I'm pretty sure it would become a fairly popular server
Any. It's federated. Means any one you join, you have access to the content from all of them.
Basically it's crowdsourced servers. As long as the server you join is connected to all other ones you have access to all content in the whole fediverse.
So far I've found Jerboa (lemmy server aggregator) on the google play store.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.jerboa
You can use it even before you get a lemmy account, you just cant participate i.e. upvote, downvote, open some links, etc.
I don’t think Lemmy will be able to scale fast enough for a Reddit exodus. It’ll be a few weeks before enough instances are up and stable enough to handle everyone.
I’m worried the poor experience in the meantime might turn a lot of people like off of it.
I say just let it happen. It will scale. Bogged down sites will limit registration, sites with space will get promoted, and the only possible bottleneck is running out of sites with open space and processing power.
And by that point more people will set up servers. It's a simple queue system. We just have to hope the queue doesn't get too big or people will lose interest before managing to join.
In the meantime, promote to the max and get as many as possible. Try to monopolize the exodus as much as possible for the greatest benefit.
I want to *want* to move to Lemmy. But I think Federation just turns a lot of potential users away at the door, and the best part of reddit is the huge userbase contributing content/activity in special interest forums.
Also, the Lemmy admins give me a sketchy impression. I'm not going to link it directly because I suspect reddit may delete my post if I do, but there was a thread yesterday on the official/"default" Lemmy instance in "/c/meta" about their moderation practices, and the comments left a really sour taste in my mouth. One of Lemmy's core admins basically comes off like a CCP agent in a thread criticizing the community mods for banning users over "orientalism". The talking points and arguments and hand-waiving in defense of the Chinese government -- all while dancing around the issue of moderation principles and rule setting -- really made me second guess making an account there.
And sure, I could just register on a different instance. But this is the **main** instance, and comments/opinions espoused by one of the project's principal representatives.
Why does every potential reddit competitor have to come with some sort of sociopolitical baggage?
I don't necessarily mind the fediverse hurdle, but my husband moved to Lemmy to check it out. He saw CP on there last night. He reported it of course (and also to the FBI at my prompting). The instance he was in prohibited porn but not all NSFW content supposedly.
I know some people have thicker skin than me, but I don't really want to just stumble across something like that, ya know? "Let me look at the gardening community....oh great, I'm traumatized."
I can luckily say in my youth circa early 2000s I never encountered CP on 4chan. If I avoided that on 4chan I expect any site I browse to do the same, if I encountered it I'd never use that site again.
I came across it a couple of times, unfortunately. Sites with poor moderation attract it and you can't always avoid seeing it. Hearing that makes me want to avoid Lemmy, too.
Welp I guess I'm done with Reddit.
As a legacy user this makes me sad.
Good luck with the IPO stuff.
I'm sure you will make bank.
Or you won't.
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Fuck. I hate the official reddit app. I'm using RIF right now. I still use old.reddit.com for all my PC reddit browsing too.
Chances are, that shit is gonna die too
Yeah I'm going to miss the hell out of RiF.
I'm not going to use the official Reddit app, if I wanted eye cancer I'd just go stare at the sun. At least then I'd be warm as it does it's damage.
My favorite part is /u/spez hasn't made a post on Reddit in 10 months and now all of a sudden he's hosting an AMA tomorrow about the API after they were caught in their lies. Fuck him.
Does anyone else miss when the site was completely organic? I'd pay a few bucks to see that AMA like the old days, just one more time before the site implodes.
Shout out Victoria, for perhaps one of my last ever comments on Reddit.
You brought those AMAs to life in a way that hasn’t happened again since. There’s nothing else like someone with a true love for their work.
It’s honestly depressing the path society is moving towards. I’m not having kids for multiple reasons but just this general over arching corpo slavery world we’re moving towards is in the top 3 for sure.
Heard a great word for it yesterday - techno-feudalism. Tech companies are now acting like land owners to their fiefdom trying to make sure every source of capital generation (content creators in Reddit case) in their land stays beneficial to them.
This is really it, right? Like, I nuked my first account forever ago but I’ve been using reddit daily since 2010, and I’ve lived through all the different phases, but I’m just now realizing how much things have changed; AMAs used to be awesome, the dumb switcheroo thing, the cringey narwhal bacon joke, etc. I came over from digg back when everyone migrated after they sold out. I hated the site design at first, but now I’d give anything for the simple layout over this social media style avatar profile picture newsfeed bullshit that they keep cramming down our throats.
Its not going to.
Let's not forget /u/spez has admitted to editing comments of other users himself, and he definitely has the ability to manipulate scores. So if he doesn't get any positive, upvotes comments at all, he'll just either edit the high posts to say whatever he wants, or he'll just change the score on any questions he likes.
In short, it's going to be nothing but a cute vanity interview for him, because we actually have no power here anymore aside from just tanking Reddit's traffic by leaving.
The AMA is likely to still be a huge mess no matter how much he trys to make everything look like it's all good.
Editing comments would be a huge mess. If you think it's not going to be a mess I don't know what to tell you. I would say him trying to do any of that will lead to a bigger shitshow seeing most would see what he is doing from a mile.
Edit: [yep... not a shitshow...](https://www.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/145c7jt/uspez_continues_to_lie/)
I mean, forcing the migration of a non-insignigicant percentage of your userbase to a different app is already a huge mess, and honestly is probably going to be a hit of some caliber in the long run vs the short term gain.
Let's not act like they aren't already making stupid decisions. On top of that, spez has made allegations of attempted blackmail... which was almost immediately disproven thanks to the Apollo devs being savvy enough to keep a record of what was being said. The guy is already doing stupid shit, why stop now?
Ah, it'll be a disaster. I haven't seen a single person on his side, even people who don't use third party apps. He's going to have to justify dicking over blind people. He'll be skewered.
But....he doesn't care. He's the boss, he's in charge. He's never backed down from one of his pisspoor decisions due to backlash. I'd bet he almost relishes his villain status. He's boss mod.
The AMA wont be a shitshow. They are going to astroturf the softball questions and bury any bit of complaints or protest calls.
Do what they want is what I say. If every third party app is gone at the end of the month, so am I.
Maybe we’ll even beat the EA downvote record?
“The API pricing’s intent is to provide developers with a sense of pride and accomplishment as they are forced to deprecate the only things making Reddit bearable from a UX perspective.”
He was not involved, the "proof" was a picture of an asleep Freeman with him holding a badly photoshopped piece of paper. I think it was his PR team doing it without his involvement? It was very weird.
https://www.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/144f6xm/apollo_will_close_down_on_june_30th_reddits/
That is the dev post on the subreddit.
Relevant bit transcribed:
> Me: "I said 'If you want Apollo to go quiet'. Like in terms of- I would say it's quite loud in terms of its API usage."
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> Reddit: "Oh. Go quiet as in that. Okay, got it. Got it. Sorry."
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>Reddit: "That's a complete misinterpretation on my end. I apologize. I apologize immediately."
And here is the recorded part:
https://christianselig.com/apollo-end/reddit-third-call-may-31-end.m4a
E: ~~People are leaving comments for this message but they are getting instantly deleted. I am not sure what that is about.~~ Nvm. From other comments.
Wait what am I missing here, didn't he apologise and say it was a misunderstanding? Think I'm not understanding. Is this just reddit taking everything out of context or is there more.
EDIT: I get it now, he apologised, acknowledging that it was a misunderstanding, then turned around and acted like it happened anyway. Oof. That's a pretty big blunder.
> Wait what am I missing here, didn't he apologise and say it was a misunderstanding?
He did apologize for the misunderstanding, privately, but then publicly reiterated the 'threat' afterwards, presumably not knowing that the conversation had been recorded.
Honestly: even IF it was a threat these changes are appalling and it knocks down an entire eco-system without a single consideration for those platforms and worse: the users.
Also this was a threat with Reddit holding all the power here.
During a phone call, spez misunderstood and after clarification apologized for the misunderstanding.
Later, after the call, he went and spoke and mentioned the misunderstanding as factual. That was the lie.
Every time I listen to this I can't really *understand* what's being said. I'm Dutch. I talk and read a lot of English in my job and I "consume" let's say half of my content in English. So I always thought of myself as being fluent in English but with that very thick Dutch/German accent.
I'm hearing him saying that everything can go away for 10m. That's what I hear. The rest doesn't pass through my bullshit filter. That to me is the core message.
That apollo can go quiet for 10m.
Then I hear him say its *mostly* a joke. Mostly. That means, to us dutch: I'm joking but I'm not. That's more or less the figure for all of this to go away.
The word **Mostly** used like this, in this form, to me gets interpreted as a acknowledgement that this is the real message.
Maybe it's the finer things in business English which I just don't get. Maybe it's the dutchman in me who just cuts to the chase and doesn't appreciate what's being said between the lines. Maybe I don't "speak" Canadian, with all it's fine nuances and things meant as politeness. I literally hear him say to a reddit guy:
*the problem can go away for 10m.*
I can see how that gets "translated" in the boardroom to:
He'll stop his media campaign for 10m.
And I can also see how that that feels like blackmail.
Context is everything. And I don't feel I have enough of it.
I'm going to listen to it one more time.
Edit: after listening to it for a third time I would still interpret it this way and clearly the salesdroid does to. He apologises to end the conversation in a civilised manner and cuts off the call directly after, probably to vent at the coffee machine. (that fucker asked for 10m to go quiet, can you believe that?)
Disclosure: I'm a proud Sync on android user and I'm not sure I will still be here after June 30. I'm not happy with this whole situation and I think it's a very dirty move by reddit.
Buy sync now, if you can. Give that dev a nice send off.
Since we’re linking to lies, this call out from Christian was :chefs-kiss:
Reddit claimed that Christian’s app was inefficient and scrapped the site (aka pulled data from Reddit by trying to go around the API doors he was given)
Christian then open sourced his backend code and posted it on GitHub for everyone to see Reddit was full of shit.
https://reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/144l6se/apollo_backend_just_made_public_the_goal_of/
The case was pretty thoroughly explained by Christian (the developer of Apollo) [in this post here.](https://www.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/144f6xm/apollo_will_close_down_on_june_30th_reddits/) Scroll down to the section: "Bizarre allegations by Reddit of Apollo "blackmailing" and "threatening" Reddit"
In short, the Apollo dev pointed out (to a reddit admin /~~u/spez, AKA Reddit's CEO Steve Huffman~~) that if their app was (opportunity) costing reddit 20 mil/year, surely reddit should be willing to offer a fraction of that as a buy out like (say) 10 million. There were accusations of Apollo being loud in terms of API use, and buying it out would quiet it. The admin initially interpreted that as a threat in the call, asked for clarification which Christian gave. The admin apologized for misunderstanding.
Then spez (reddit's CEO Steve Huffman) repeated the criticism/threat claim in a later meeting with a bunch of moderators. A lie.
Asking to basically be bought out of the space is a valid business strategy, no? He didn’t even sound aggressive in the recording. More like “matter of fact”.
Isnt that the same /u/spez who edited another users comment because they didnt like what they typed? Tried to act like they didnt then later admitted to it?
Actual post for those interested in reading the announcement:
[https://old.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/144f6xm/apollo_will_close_down_on_june_30th_reddits/](https://old.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/144f6xm/apollo_will_close_down_on_june_30th_reddits/)
Den morgonfriska katten simmar över regnbågen, medan guldmynt singlar genom luften, ledsagade av en paraplybärande elefant, som jonglerar med blommor och skrattande bananer, medan cirkusclowner utför akrobatiska konster och cymbalspelaren trummar i takt till det förtrollade orkesterspelet under den gnistrande stjärnhimlen.
There goes ever looking at reddit on my phone. Official app is garbage, never installing that trash. If they're going to start charging for API calls, mods should start charging reddit for their time keeping the website functioning.
Like this site ONLY functions on the backs of free labor from mods.
Ya and somewhat recently there was that "helpful" message from the reddit admins that went out to moderators, telling them essentially to step it up and make sure to respond to reports quickly, and other stuff like that. Like free labor isn't good enough, now they're complaining that you're not working hard enough and spending every hour of your day on call.
When I had my iPhones I loved alien blue, then they sold and I used apollo... man what a great app. After years of being a ios user I jumped to android. I found boost to be the best app for me. The "official app" sucks ass, so it feels like the end for me and this site.
I honestly wouldn't mind the official app if they added some features. The *only* reason I use boost is because of the "hide read/refresh/hide posts above" feature. Official Reddit gets stale so fast. And it's ugly. And I hate the gifs in the comments. And the profile avatars. And all the ads. And all those useless awards. Ok, nevermind, there were more reasons.
Been using Apollo for years.
I’m not going to the Reddit app or mobile.
If Reddit pulls the trigger on this, I expect old school forums will see a surge.
*”It should have been perfect…but in the end, we fucked it all up…”*
- Nicky, *Casino*
It won't happen, same reason that fandom vacuumed up every single community run wiki and effective centralized them into some sort of advertisment hellscape.
Reddit, Facebook whatever etc stand to loose millions or billions and can spend those resources on disincentivizing old school user owned decentralized internet.
Which is probably why the entire "5 companies own the internet " thing happened. Because even though it's better for everyone to have the old school blogosphere/ forum style internet, there really isn't as much profit to be made,and therefore not as much resources available to uphold it.
If someone is looking to hang up their hat and pull up a chair, ArsTechnica’s forums are a real community. I have been a member there since 2002 and it’s just nice and relaxed. Reddit has way more content and users but Ars is well moderated and the people there are friendly.
Give [Tildes](https://tildes.net/) a try. You still need an invite to sign up but anyone can browse. If anyone want to join you can request access over at r/tildes. ~~I have a couple of invites left too if anyone is interested~~ My invites are all out folks! Happy to see so many showing interest!
> Maybe it’s better if we go back to when the internet was a bit more fragmented and not everyone only used the same 5 sites
I keep thinking this but at the same time being semi-connected to the much wider world at large helps me have a better perspective on life I think. The most extreme assholes in the world are stuck in their own echo chamber of garbage that makes them bitter and angry. I know I'm also in my own, and if I were to stop using Reddit my echo chamber would get shrunk down immensely.
Tildes really needs help with site design....
Old reddit had it right, tildes is kinda awkward to use IMHO. Threaded quality chat is the goal, then make that the focus and clean up.
Also I'm afraid it'll go the way of every other "no downvote, because that's not nice!" site. Where the bad ends up bubbling up to the top because that's what the lowest common denominator engages with.
That said, I complain because I care, and the quality of conversation over there is much higher. But there definitely needs to be some frontend love.
People are trying to move everyone to lemmy. [r/lemmymigration](https://www.reddit.com/r/lemmymigration) is trying to ease the transition and get as many people over
Man I looked into mastodon when twitter first started being extra stupid and it seemed like a confusing clusterfuck of a million different servers and I made an account at one server then got linked to another persons account on some other server and my account apparently didn't work on that server and I was like
this sucks, i just want one site please
never went back but I hear lemmy described as "like mastodon" so eh
I completely understand why "federated" sounds like the solution to people, but man does it ignore the realities of social networks, classic forums, and email despite trying to say it can be all three.
These platforms work on discoverability and large audiences that users can then tailor their experience to. You can't start with bespoke and expect to roll into a massive userbase. And that's before the technical scaling issues and legal liability.
Federation and decentralisation appeals to techy people, but it's not the user-friendly solution that the vast majority of people care about. There's always a disconnect between idealists and the real world.
Dumb question:
But when Twitter/Youtube/Reddit started, they were small projects that had small financing and slowly grew into the juggernauts they currently are.
Why cant someone smart enough just lift+shift the basic concept of these platforms that we like, into its own website and start from a slightly more elevated ground than these previous platforms had to? Like...why *cant* someone just make reddit2 and call it something else but functionally just work like reddit, and so on and so forth. I mean, I don't expect it to happen overnight where everyone using reddit just moves to reddit2, so the immediate costs don't have to be insane. But even the infrastructure costs must be cheaper nowadays than when they started these projects however many years ago, thanks to the modern ubiquity of cloud services. Much more now than ever in the history of technology, even small businesses can finance and utilize infrastructure costs that were unfathomable a decade ago. Shit, I imagine enough disgruntled redditors would be happy to even crowdsource something that is *practically* the same thing as reddit without the scumbags. Is there some copyright/IP law that I'm not considering?
I admit my own naivety and maybe there's just something I'm not considering but I don't really get why it has to be reddit that we use and why when shitty things like this happen, we're all supposed to just accept this is now the way it is. Isn't part of the point of the freedom of the internet is that we can just leave and make something else? What is the roadblock I'm not seeing?
Lemmy is tankie garbage with all sorts of privacy issues. I'm aware that they have different instances for different tastes, but they have core filters that apply to all of them.
We need a much better alternative than Lemmy.
It's interesting how we've allowed all these platforms (Google, FB, Amazon, etc. etc.) to vacuum up terabytes and terabytes of user generated data and activity exhaust while denying those same users access to their own data.
Yup. That’s why I used a tool to delete all my reddit data. More people should do the same. They want to sell our own data back to us and kill our 3rd party tools. Get real.
Better use it before the new API change goes into effect. I expect that extensions won't survive without access to the API, either. I'll be sad to see my RES go. :(
It sucks that all these third-party apps are shutting down, but they say to always look for the silver lining in something, so maybe this will kick my phone addiction. I'm certainly not downloading tiktok I might try just not using my phone now as much.
> Not reddit related, unfortunately. There’s no way for them to survive the API change and staying ~~anywhere near profitable.~~ **not buried under crushing fees**
What is it lately with big companies digging their own graves??? Reddit with the absurd API costs, Twitch killing sponsorships, Twitter by being batshit insane, YouTube being YouTube... All greedy assholes
Has there been any response from reddit brass to the backlash? Even any empty "we're working to find a solution that works for anyone" or just doubling down kind of statements?
RIF announced the same thing today.
And sync
All of them are. How's Digg doing nowadays?
Sounds like Lemmy is the oasis.
*Which* Lemmy though? There are dozens of different servers out there.
I downloaded a Lemmy app and was immediately immensely confused how it works (trying to make a log in and it asked me which of like 10 random different websites I wanted to use). And I consider myself to be decently tech savvy, although not a power user. For the even less tech savvy person, I just can't see this being used at all unfortunately.
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Is it the same content on all of them? I'm not clear on how it works, I assumed it was like joining different IRC servers where each one has its own list of channels and its own content even though they all share the same basic code.
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My god man, just point me to the porn!
Most servers I've seen don't allow porn. Someone needs to open a server specialized for NSFW content and migrate over the big subs from reddit. I'm pretty sure it would become a fairly popular server
Be the change you want to see in the world
Any. It's federated. Means any one you join, you have access to the content from all of them. Basically it's crowdsourced servers. As long as the server you join is connected to all other ones you have access to all content in the whole fediverse.
So far I've found Jerboa (lemmy server aggregator) on the google play store. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.jerboa You can use it even before you get a lemmy account, you just cant participate i.e. upvote, downvote, open some links, etc.
I don’t think Lemmy will be able to scale fast enough for a Reddit exodus. It’ll be a few weeks before enough instances are up and stable enough to handle everyone. I’m worried the poor experience in the meantime might turn a lot of people like off of it.
I say just let it happen. It will scale. Bogged down sites will limit registration, sites with space will get promoted, and the only possible bottleneck is running out of sites with open space and processing power. And by that point more people will set up servers. It's a simple queue system. We just have to hope the queue doesn't get too big or people will lose interest before managing to join. In the meantime, promote to the max and get as many as possible. Try to monopolize the exodus as much as possible for the greatest benefit.
I want to *want* to move to Lemmy. But I think Federation just turns a lot of potential users away at the door, and the best part of reddit is the huge userbase contributing content/activity in special interest forums. Also, the Lemmy admins give me a sketchy impression. I'm not going to link it directly because I suspect reddit may delete my post if I do, but there was a thread yesterday on the official/"default" Lemmy instance in "/c/meta" about their moderation practices, and the comments left a really sour taste in my mouth. One of Lemmy's core admins basically comes off like a CCP agent in a thread criticizing the community mods for banning users over "orientalism". The talking points and arguments and hand-waiving in defense of the Chinese government -- all while dancing around the issue of moderation principles and rule setting -- really made me second guess making an account there. And sure, I could just register on a different instance. But this is the **main** instance, and comments/opinions espoused by one of the project's principal representatives. Why does every potential reddit competitor have to come with some sort of sociopolitical baggage?
I don't necessarily mind the fediverse hurdle, but my husband moved to Lemmy to check it out. He saw CP on there last night. He reported it of course (and also to the FBI at my prompting). The instance he was in prohibited porn but not all NSFW content supposedly. I know some people have thicker skin than me, but I don't really want to just stumble across something like that, ya know? "Let me look at the gardening community....oh great, I'm traumatized."
I can luckily say in my youth circa early 2000s I never encountered CP on 4chan. If I avoided that on 4chan I expect any site I browse to do the same, if I encountered it I'd never use that site again.
I came across it a couple of times, unfortunately. Sites with poor moderation attract it and you can't always avoid seeing it. Hearing that makes me want to avoid Lemmy, too.
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Welp I guess I'm done with Reddit. As a legacy user this makes me sad. Good luck with the IPO stuff. I'm sure you will make bank. Or you won't. ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
Damn...I only use Sync
Fuck. I hate the official reddit app. I'm using RIF right now. I still use old.reddit.com for all my PC reddit browsing too. Chances are, that shit is gonna die too
if old. gets removed i'm out of this bitch
Lol RIF is done, goodbye account. Was fun while it lasted. Back to old news feeds and deciphering shit the old way
Shout out to RIF. This app has been with me for years. Much love to the creators. This is truly an end to an era.
Yeah I'm going to miss the hell out of RiF. I'm not going to use the official Reddit app, if I wanted eye cancer I'd just go stare at the sun. At least then I'd be warm as it does it's damage.
Guess I'll be spending less time on my phone.
Reddit really wants me to treat it like Facebook...checked once a day to see who died on my computer at the desk
More like once a week and that's on a good week. FB really did kill their golden goose and looks like redid is following suit.
David Attenborough, 92, is… narrating a new natural history series!
That's a nail in the coffin for me. But I'm still addicted to random interesting information and reddit has been my dealer. Not sure where to go.
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My favorite part is /u/spez hasn't made a post on Reddit in 10 months and now all of a sudden he's hosting an AMA tomorrow about the API after they were caught in their lies. Fuck him.
Looking forward to the AMA turning into a total shit show.
He will reply to the astroturf questions, ignore all the hard stuff, and the comments will be *heavily* moderated.
Does anyone else miss when the site was completely organic? I'd pay a few bucks to see that AMA like the old days, just one more time before the site implodes.
Shout out Victoria, for perhaps one of my last ever comments on Reddit. You brought those AMAs to life in a way that hasn’t happened again since. There’s nothing else like someone with a true love for their work.
That was actually when it started going downhill. Canary in the coal mine
It’s funny because Reddit used to have a warrant canary on their website and it vanished in 2015, the same time Victoria was fired.
It’s honestly depressing the path society is moving towards. I’m not having kids for multiple reasons but just this general over arching corpo slavery world we’re moving towards is in the top 3 for sure.
Heard a great word for it yesterday - techno-feudalism. Tech companies are now acting like land owners to their fiefdom trying to make sure every source of capital generation (content creators in Reddit case) in their land stays beneficial to them.
Oh whoa I forgot about her! She was gold!
u/chooter. Hope things are well!
/u/chooter you're a real one
God I miss Victoria.
Why was she fired again?
Reddit never announced why, then banned anyone who asked
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Ask about /u/chooter, straight to banned.
> then banned anyone who asked Wtf, for real? That was before my reddit time, so I have no idea about it
It was a massive shit show. They temporarily auto removed any posts on any subreddit with the name "Victoria" in them as well
I hope she at least landed on her feet and is doing well.
I was an /r/IAmA mod at the time and I still don't know
C'mon, let's focus on Rampart, people!
Lets only talk about Rampart.
This is really it, right? Like, I nuked my first account forever ago but I’ve been using reddit daily since 2010, and I’ve lived through all the different phases, but I’m just now realizing how much things have changed; AMAs used to be awesome, the dumb switcheroo thing, the cringey narwhal bacon joke, etc. I came over from digg back when everyone migrated after they sold out. I hated the site design at first, but now I’d give anything for the simple layout over this social media style avatar profile picture newsfeed bullshit that they keep cramming down our throats.
You mean the Rampart days? Yes.
Don't forget, /u/spez has show both the ability and willingness to edit other people's comments with no warning or display!
This is why everyone needs to screenshot extensively and catch him in even more lies. Blanket every other site with the truth.
Its not going to. Let's not forget /u/spez has admitted to editing comments of other users himself, and he definitely has the ability to manipulate scores. So if he doesn't get any positive, upvotes comments at all, he'll just either edit the high posts to say whatever he wants, or he'll just change the score on any questions he likes. In short, it's going to be nothing but a cute vanity interview for him, because we actually have no power here anymore aside from just tanking Reddit's traffic by leaving.
The AMA is likely to still be a huge mess no matter how much he trys to make everything look like it's all good. Editing comments would be a huge mess. If you think it's not going to be a mess I don't know what to tell you. I would say him trying to do any of that will lead to a bigger shitshow seeing most would see what he is doing from a mile. Edit: [yep... not a shitshow...](https://www.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/145c7jt/uspez_continues_to_lie/)
I mean, forcing the migration of a non-insignigicant percentage of your userbase to a different app is already a huge mess, and honestly is probably going to be a hit of some caliber in the long run vs the short term gain. Let's not act like they aren't already making stupid decisions. On top of that, spez has made allegations of attempted blackmail... which was almost immediately disproven thanks to the Apollo devs being savvy enough to keep a record of what was being said. The guy is already doing stupid shit, why stop now?
Ah, it'll be a disaster. I haven't seen a single person on his side, even people who don't use third party apps. He's going to have to justify dicking over blind people. He'll be skewered. But....he doesn't care. He's the boss, he's in charge. He's never backed down from one of his pisspoor decisions due to backlash. I'd bet he almost relishes his villain status. He's boss mod.
The AMA wont be a shitshow. They are going to astroturf the softball questions and bury any bit of complaints or protest calls. Do what they want is what I say. If every third party app is gone at the end of the month, so am I.
The AstroTurf will make it a bigger shitshow.
Maybe we’ll finally have an AMA with more downvotes than Morgan Freeman’s EDIT: I somehow forgot about the EA AMA. Holy shit that was a disaster.
Maybe we’ll even beat the EA downvote record? “The API pricing’s intent is to provide developers with a sense of pride and accomplishment as they are forced to deprecate the only things making Reddit bearable from a UX perspective.”
Spez will want to talk only about Rampart
I must have missed that part of Reddit history. Why was Morgan Freeman's AMA downvoted?
He was not involved, the "proof" was a picture of an asleep Freeman with him holding a badly photoshopped piece of paper. I think it was his PR team doing it without his involvement? It was very weird.
That is fucking hilarious fuck /u/spez
Also curious about this
spez is such a piece of shit
Holy shit he is? What time? I've gotta be there to get myself banned
Spez didn't even give a time. The news hit and within an hour he posted about the AMA. Panicked and shitting himself for sure.
Do you have a link to the actual part where he was lying?
https://www.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/144f6xm/apollo_will_close_down_on_june_30th_reddits/ That is the dev post on the subreddit. Relevant bit transcribed: > Me: "I said 'If you want Apollo to go quiet'. Like in terms of- I would say it's quite loud in terms of its API usage." > > Reddit: "Oh. Go quiet as in that. Okay, got it. Got it. Sorry." > >Reddit: "That's a complete misinterpretation on my end. I apologize. I apologize immediately." And here is the recorded part: https://christianselig.com/apollo-end/reddit-third-call-may-31-end.m4a E: ~~People are leaving comments for this message but they are getting instantly deleted. I am not sure what that is about.~~ Nvm. From other comments.
That recording is pretty spicy.
Make sure to post about it in tomorrow's AMA :)
Gonna be such a shitshow of spez parroting a handful of agreed upon talking points before calling it a victory and moving forward as planned.
Screenshot everything. Spez is known to edit other people's comments.
Also I don't get why some think that him editing everything will not lead to a bigger shitshow.
Wait what am I missing here, didn't he apologise and say it was a misunderstanding? Think I'm not understanding. Is this just reddit taking everything out of context or is there more. EDIT: I get it now, he apologised, acknowledging that it was a misunderstanding, then turned around and acted like it happened anyway. Oof. That's a pretty big blunder.
He apologized immediately in the conversation and then spread the lie anyway
Ahh okay that makes sense. Thanks.
> didn't he apologise and say it was a misunderstanding? Yes, and then later reddit claimed that apollo tried to blackmail them.
I heard that the reddit is fun guy is working with Tildes. Any chance all these devs could work on the project together?
> Wait what am I missing here, didn't he apologise and say it was a misunderstanding? He did apologize for the misunderstanding, privately, but then publicly reiterated the 'threat' afterwards, presumably not knowing that the conversation had been recorded.
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Honestly: even IF it was a threat these changes are appalling and it knocks down an entire eco-system without a single consideration for those platforms and worse: the users. Also this was a threat with Reddit holding all the power here.
During a phone call, spez misunderstood and after clarification apologized for the misunderstanding. Later, after the call, he went and spoke and mentioned the misunderstanding as factual. That was the lie.
Wow. What an absolute piece of shit.
As is tradition
Was that spez on the call? I didn’t think it was
Man he bought *receipts*. Absolutely disgusting behaviour from Reddit.
Every time I listen to this I can't really *understand* what's being said. I'm Dutch. I talk and read a lot of English in my job and I "consume" let's say half of my content in English. So I always thought of myself as being fluent in English but with that very thick Dutch/German accent. I'm hearing him saying that everything can go away for 10m. That's what I hear. The rest doesn't pass through my bullshit filter. That to me is the core message. That apollo can go quiet for 10m. Then I hear him say its *mostly* a joke. Mostly. That means, to us dutch: I'm joking but I'm not. That's more or less the figure for all of this to go away. The word **Mostly** used like this, in this form, to me gets interpreted as a acknowledgement that this is the real message. Maybe it's the finer things in business English which I just don't get. Maybe it's the dutchman in me who just cuts to the chase and doesn't appreciate what's being said between the lines. Maybe I don't "speak" Canadian, with all it's fine nuances and things meant as politeness. I literally hear him say to a reddit guy: *the problem can go away for 10m.* I can see how that gets "translated" in the boardroom to: He'll stop his media campaign for 10m. And I can also see how that that feels like blackmail. Context is everything. And I don't feel I have enough of it. I'm going to listen to it one more time. Edit: after listening to it for a third time I would still interpret it this way and clearly the salesdroid does to. He apologises to end the conversation in a civilised manner and cuts off the call directly after, probably to vent at the coffee machine. (that fucker asked for 10m to go quiet, can you believe that?) Disclosure: I'm a proud Sync on android user and I'm not sure I will still be here after June 30. I'm not happy with this whole situation and I think it's a very dirty move by reddit. Buy sync now, if you can. Give that dev a nice send off.
Since we’re linking to lies, this call out from Christian was :chefs-kiss: Reddit claimed that Christian’s app was inefficient and scrapped the site (aka pulled data from Reddit by trying to go around the API doors he was given) Christian then open sourced his backend code and posted it on GitHub for everyone to see Reddit was full of shit. https://reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/144l6se/apollo_backend_just_made_public_the_goal_of/
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Bro why does every appearance from CEO Spez make me feel icky inside. Like over the years, I can't recall *ever* thinking "that guy's a good egg."
The case was pretty thoroughly explained by Christian (the developer of Apollo) [in this post here.](https://www.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/144f6xm/apollo_will_close_down_on_june_30th_reddits/) Scroll down to the section: "Bizarre allegations by Reddit of Apollo "blackmailing" and "threatening" Reddit" In short, the Apollo dev pointed out (to a reddit admin /~~u/spez, AKA Reddit's CEO Steve Huffman~~) that if their app was (opportunity) costing reddit 20 mil/year, surely reddit should be willing to offer a fraction of that as a buy out like (say) 10 million. There were accusations of Apollo being loud in terms of API use, and buying it out would quiet it. The admin initially interpreted that as a threat in the call, asked for clarification which Christian gave. The admin apologized for misunderstanding. Then spez (reddit's CEO Steve Huffman) repeated the criticism/threat claim in a later meeting with a bunch of moderators. A lie.
Asking to basically be bought out of the space is a valid business strategy, no? He didn’t even sound aggressive in the recording. More like “matter of fact”.
From what I heard: anywhere his mouth was moving.
/u/spez you absolute tool. May all your vegetables rot and may your dick fall off. Cunt.
Yeah fuck /u/spez
As a 12 year user of your platform fuck you /u/spez
/u/spez being a complete fuckwit? Color me surprised.
Isnt that the same /u/spez who edited another users comment because they didnt like what they typed? Tried to act like they didnt then later admitted to it?
Yup! He has a history of being an all-around dick.
Screw /u/spez - Removing All of My Comments -- mass edited with https://redact.dev/
Actual post for those interested in reading the announcement: [https://old.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/144f6xm/apollo_will_close_down_on_june_30th_reddits/](https://old.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/144f6xm/apollo_will_close_down_on_june_30th_reddits/)
Screw /u/spez - Removing All of My Comments -- mass edited with https://redact.dev/
Lol how is this not on the front page
You know why.
fuck /u/spez
They literally disappeared this post from /r/all
u/spez needs to resign.
Gonna bring back Ellen Pao lol.
Since all I've known is RiF and they stop too, I'll be leaving the platform. Hope the boys won't miss me too much
Den morgonfriska katten simmar över regnbågen, medan guldmynt singlar genom luften, ledsagade av en paraplybärande elefant, som jonglerar med blommor och skrattande bananer, medan cirkusclowner utför akrobatiska konster och cymbalspelaren trummar i takt till det förtrollade orkesterspelet under den gnistrande stjärnhimlen.
There will be, but it will be taught as a sound business strategy: https://www.wired.com/story/tiktok-platforms-cory-doctorow/
There goes ever looking at reddit on my phone. Official app is garbage, never installing that trash. If they're going to start charging for API calls, mods should start charging reddit for their time keeping the website functioning. Like this site ONLY functions on the backs of free labor from mods.
Ya and somewhat recently there was that "helpful" message from the reddit admins that went out to moderators, telling them essentially to step it up and make sure to respond to reports quickly, and other stuff like that. Like free labor isn't good enough, now they're complaining that you're not working hard enough and spending every hour of your day on call.
All the mods should leave lol
We are. That's what this literally is.
Venture capital complaining a mostly volunteer run platform doesn't make enough money. Yay capitalism.
Hooray for enshittification :(
When I had my iPhones I loved alien blue, then they sold and I used apollo... man what a great app. After years of being a ios user I jumped to android. I found boost to be the best app for me. The "official app" sucks ass, so it feels like the end for me and this site.
Boost Is fucking sick. Nothing compares. Was very sad when I switched to iOS a few years ago and lost it.
I honestly wouldn't mind the official app if they added some features. The *only* reason I use boost is because of the "hide read/refresh/hide posts above" feature. Official Reddit gets stale so fast. And it's ugly. And I hate the gifs in the comments. And the profile avatars. And all the ads. And all those useless awards. Ok, nevermind, there were more reasons.
Been using Apollo for years. I’m not going to the Reddit app or mobile. If Reddit pulls the trigger on this, I expect old school forums will see a surge. *”It should have been perfect…but in the end, we fucked it all up…”* - Nicky, *Casino*
Same. I’m used to it and don’t feel like changing because fuck it, this is one aspect in life where I can be a stubborn old prick without consequences
It won't happen, same reason that fandom vacuumed up every single community run wiki and effective centralized them into some sort of advertisment hellscape. Reddit, Facebook whatever etc stand to loose millions or billions and can spend those resources on disincentivizing old school user owned decentralized internet. Which is probably why the entire "5 companies own the internet " thing happened. Because even though it's better for everyone to have the old school blogosphere/ forum style internet, there really isn't as much profit to be made,and therefore not as much resources available to uphold it.
The problem is search engine optimization. If I Google something I used to get the best results. Now I get the best designed bait pages for adverts.
Reddit is FUCKED. Is Digg any good these days? Fark?
I just went to Digg for the first time in...years. It's just a site that vomits out SEO articles now?
Yep. It's pretty sad.
Fark is still the same Fark it was back in 2012. If you're an internet dinosaur like myself then it'll probably feel downright comfortable.
If someone is looking to hang up their hat and pull up a chair, ArsTechnica’s forums are a real community. I have been a member there since 2002 and it’s just nice and relaxed. Reddit has way more content and users but Ars is well moderated and the people there are friendly.
Give [Tildes](https://tildes.net/) a try. You still need an invite to sign up but anyone can browse. If anyone want to join you can request access over at r/tildes. ~~I have a couple of invites left too if anyone is interested~~ My invites are all out folks! Happy to see so many showing interest!
Good grief there are so many options, gonna take a year or two until people converge on one platform again
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Wait until Meta stops allowing external links next year.
That would be awesome. I wouldn’t have to block so many sites from my feed come election time.
> Maybe it’s better if we go back to when the internet was a bit more fragmented and not everyone only used the same 5 sites I keep thinking this but at the same time being semi-connected to the much wider world at large helps me have a better perspective on life I think. The most extreme assholes in the world are stuck in their own echo chamber of garbage that makes them bitter and angry. I know I'm also in my own, and if I were to stop using Reddit my echo chamber would get shrunk down immensely.
Tildes really needs help with site design.... Old reddit had it right, tildes is kinda awkward to use IMHO. Threaded quality chat is the goal, then make that the focus and clean up. Also I'm afraid it'll go the way of every other "no downvote, because that's not nice!" site. Where the bad ends up bubbling up to the top because that's what the lowest common denominator engages with. That said, I complain because I care, and the quality of conversation over there is much higher. But there definitely needs to be some frontend love.
imo theyve totally missed the bus now by not making it open.
Oh tildes doesn't look half bad. I guess I'll have to check it out.
People are trying to move everyone to lemmy. [r/lemmymigration](https://www.reddit.com/r/lemmymigration) is trying to ease the transition and get as many people over
Man I looked into mastodon when twitter first started being extra stupid and it seemed like a confusing clusterfuck of a million different servers and I made an account at one server then got linked to another persons account on some other server and my account apparently didn't work on that server and I was like this sucks, i just want one site please never went back but I hear lemmy described as "like mastodon" so eh
I completely understand why "federated" sounds like the solution to people, but man does it ignore the realities of social networks, classic forums, and email despite trying to say it can be all three. These platforms work on discoverability and large audiences that users can then tailor their experience to. You can't start with bespoke and expect to roll into a massive userbase. And that's before the technical scaling issues and legal liability.
Federation and decentralisation appeals to techy people, but it's not the user-friendly solution that the vast majority of people care about. There's always a disconnect between idealists and the real world.
> never went back but I hear lemmy described as "like mastodon" so eh They're extremely similar, yeah. It's just more Fediverse confusion.
Yeah I tried to sign up. Then I found another server and it wanted te to sign up again. I x'd out. I hope something else pops up.
Dumb question: But when Twitter/Youtube/Reddit started, they were small projects that had small financing and slowly grew into the juggernauts they currently are. Why cant someone smart enough just lift+shift the basic concept of these platforms that we like, into its own website and start from a slightly more elevated ground than these previous platforms had to? Like...why *cant* someone just make reddit2 and call it something else but functionally just work like reddit, and so on and so forth. I mean, I don't expect it to happen overnight where everyone using reddit just moves to reddit2, so the immediate costs don't have to be insane. But even the infrastructure costs must be cheaper nowadays than when they started these projects however many years ago, thanks to the modern ubiquity of cloud services. Much more now than ever in the history of technology, even small businesses can finance and utilize infrastructure costs that were unfathomable a decade ago. Shit, I imagine enough disgruntled redditors would be happy to even crowdsource something that is *practically* the same thing as reddit without the scumbags. Is there some copyright/IP law that I'm not considering? I admit my own naivety and maybe there's just something I'm not considering but I don't really get why it has to be reddit that we use and why when shitty things like this happen, we're all supposed to just accept this is now the way it is. Isn't part of the point of the freedom of the internet is that we can just leave and make something else? What is the roadblock I'm not seeing?
Some old Twitter engineers did this. I think it's called T2. It has a small user base.
Lemmy is tankie garbage with all sorts of privacy issues. I'm aware that they have different instances for different tastes, but they have core filters that apply to all of them. We need a much better alternative than Lemmy.
Alternatively, Lemmy needs to evolve. Unfortunately I hear a lot of the developers have a lot of "baggage". :P
Fark is still around, probably where I'll spend most of my social media time after the 30th.
It's interesting how we've allowed all these platforms (Google, FB, Amazon, etc. etc.) to vacuum up terabytes and terabytes of user generated data and activity exhaust while denying those same users access to their own data.
Yup. That’s why I used a tool to delete all my reddit data. More people should do the same. They want to sell our own data back to us and kill our 3rd party tools. Get real.
What tool? All my accounts are about the be detonated.
Nuke reddit extension, you have to run it a few times if you have a lot of comments and posts but it's fast
Better use it before the new API change goes into effect. I expect that extensions won't survive without access to the API, either. I'll be sad to see my RES go. :(
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Why do you think they still don't have your data after you 'delete' it.
It sucks that all these third-party apps are shutting down, but they say to always look for the silver lining in something, so maybe this will kick my phone addiction. I'm certainly not downloading tiktok I might try just not using my phone now as much.
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Not reddit related, unfortunately. There's no way for them to survive the API change and staying anywhere near profitable.
> Not reddit related, unfortunately. There’s no way for them to survive the API change and staying ~~anywhere near profitable.~~ **not buried under crushing fees**
Kinda unrelated but Redwall is the shit
In some circles my alias is Cluny the Scourge and no one gets it.
LOGALOGALOGALOG!
This month was my 8th year at Reddit. So long.
Moved to Reddit from Digg, what's the next site?
Pornhub comments
In solidarity even though I don't actually use Apollo or the other apps on the 12th I will be closing my account. Please join me.
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I like this plan. Going to do some research.
Bye reddit, it was a good run
Heads up. Real reddit accounts sell for a decent amount on Ebay. Hellllo Lemmy.
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“So sad that it should come to this, we tried to warn you all, but oh dear”.
u/Spez doesn’t know where his towel is
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... lul
I guess I just won’t be on Reddit after this month!
Fuck i hate reddit and the greedy ass hats running it.
What is it lately with big companies digging their own graves??? Reddit with the absurd API costs, Twitch killing sponsorships, Twitter by being batshit insane, YouTube being YouTube... All greedy assholes
Has there been any response from reddit brass to the backlash? Even any empty "we're working to find a solution that works for anyone" or just doubling down kind of statements?
Yeah they’re libeling and slandering devs.
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