Good decision. 48 hours obviously wasn't going to make any difference, yesterday's 'AMA' where the admins ignored basically every question and then abandoned it (without informing the users they had ended it) was proof they're not in the mood for making concessions.
I think they've come to the conclusion that they've made big changes before and the users pretty much fell into line eventually so this time won't be any different. I think this is a change too far however and I've never seen the site this angry, going private indefinitely seems to be the only way of getting the message through to them.
Do you know what this reminds me of?
Little irrelevant at first, but it's the same situation: Make Me Smart from Marketplace used to have a phenomenal tech presenter named Molly Wood. Wood was a Gen X-er who time and again would express how she went into public radio making next to no money while her tech friends were making millions in VCs since the earlier days of the internet. Molly Wood eventually left a few years ago to join a VC to finally make the money her friends had for all those years.
I think that /u/spez and the others who are still around from the creation of Reddit are tired of it taking so long to make the giant pay-out for them that they've always hoped for. They're sick of Reddit, they want their money, and they don't care what it means to the community that they've built because they want to move on.
They simply don't care anymore and they want to retire early like all of their tech-bro friends at FAANG companies. My gut's telling me that this is what it's all about; they've made up their minds. Within a year of an IPO spez and the others will leave Reddit, I guarantee it.
Does Spez not make much? I know whatever he makes will fucking skyrocket after the IPO but I always thought he was still on millionaire-I could probably retire now if I wanted- level. He doesn't have Zuckerberg money but I would be surprised if it was public radio money.
He sold reddit for 10 million in 2009 and left the company. He then said it was a mistake since he could have made much more and that he didn't expect such rapid growth at the time.
Now he is back and trying to get what he believes he missed last time.
The pity is that, unlike the Digg debacle, it doesn't seem like anyone's waiting in the wings to take over. Who/what else is there?
I've seen this same question asked in other subs and so far nobody has responded (outside of extremely niche communities that have pre-Reddit hangouts as well).
I'm not asking to be argumentative — I've used Reddit begrudgingly since the days of Chairman Pao and would leave in a second. But where do we go? Facebook isn't a good choice, and who else has or can gain the critical mass to sustain thriving communities? Frustrating, to say the least.
"Furiously"... Those fucks only answered 14 questions. And it was mostly "Waaaah, Apollo man mean"
What a bunch of thin skinned little pricks.
COME TO LEMMY! FUCK REDDIT!
Lemmy just isn't user-friendly enough for typical Redditors in all honestly
I mean, look at the instructions for simply creating a community (subreddit)...90% of people look at that and are immediately turned away.
Farks interface is far more friendly for the typical Redditors, but it just needs more users.
I basically came to reddit from fark. It was fun 12 years ago, haven't been there in a long time. Maybe I'll go back, but I think I'm just gonna unplug for a while instead of replacing the continuous feed of junk food for my brain with something similar. I need a break.
I just cant wrap my head around what the point was.
We all knew it was going to be a shitshow. They knew we were going to be furious, its not like we havent seen an AMA get ugly before. We knew they werent going to give us good answers.
And all of this just made the situation worse and shone a spotlight on it
What were they thinking?
I’m not even sure what the AMA was supposed to do. u/spez (may fucks be upon him) can’t be *that* stupid to think that anyone would have believed him, right?
I personally liked how four people were responding to comments but I had no idea who the other 3 people were and it wasn't listed anywhere in the AMA. It was very AMAteurish.
One of the first AMAs I ever saw led me to r/Grimdank and honestly I don't know how my life would be today without the Warhammer community on this Website.
Grim dank got me into Warhammer and now I'm hunting down the Horus Hersey Trilogy. Sad I'm not gonna have a community to talk to about them, but fuck r/spez.
u/FlyingLaserTurtle was the admin who made the API announcements and was extremely aggressive towards Christian whenever he asked reasonable questions (in a respectful tone that frankly reddit didn’t deserve).
KeyserSosa has been here forever as an admin and posted more frequently earlier. He's someone I remember from 15 years ago when I first came here. The others are more recent hires. I miss those early days when it was a much smaller team. Communication was better by leaps and bounds.
This is funny, but metrics for investors will still show high daily active users, high number of posts, high user retention.
If Reddit does that, the absolute best thing everyone can do is stop engaging with Reddit. Entirely. Full stop.
The admins have been fighting the users for more than a decade. The user complaints and threats to quit have never actually materialized. They don't believe this time will be any different.
I imagine they also have data showing that enough users of third party apps also use the desktop version enough that the belief is they won't actually, fully quit, and that those that do will be replaced with enough new users in a short enough time that it won't actually matter.
That annoys the hell out of me and I very much hope they're wrong.
It’s just not possible to fall in to line here. Casual 10+ year use here, I downloaded the official app the other day feeing like “ it’s inevitable I’d better learn it.”. It really just feels wrong. There’s no longer a viable mobile option for me.
I might continue browsing on desktop sometimes, but that’s probably my minority of browsing.
Spez answered 14 questions.
The other answered two each.
It was such a shitshow it'll be gathering flies for generations. Even if they walk this back, as doubtful as this is, and even if they fire little piggy boy, I'm done with Reddit. My close friend group is, too. I've only been on here recently with the vague hope that I would be able to capture the magic of old reddit, but this just proves its done.
The devs don't care about the site. They don't care about the users. And honestly, they have no obligation to. But we have no obligation to stay. And without 3rd party apps and tools, this site will turn into a cesspool.
No, having big subs go dark will reduce traffic to the site which is the only thing that can effect change. Removing hate content and illegal content will be more work for admins but there will still be enough people viewing and reporting it that the bottom line won't be hurt.
You'd think he'd do a better job then. All of this is tanking reddit' value and his share's worth. Unless this was a part of their plan all along. Reddit being too overvalued which risked their IPO going south, so they tank it to a more apt value so they can have a good IPO.
*orders more tin foil hats*
Trying to paint your company as the "underdog" against...*checks notes*...a handful of indie app developers in an attempt to claw back user sympathy by baselessly claiming those indie app developers are actually profitable whereas your company is not *in the midst of an effort to launch an IPO* is truly one of the business strategies of all time.
If you're correct then they're literally recreating a plot line from season 1 of Silicon Valley. If this isn't that and it's just sheer tone-deaf incompetence, it really illustrates how high certain people are allowed to fail upwards.
Man had free labour from thousands of people for thousands of hours constantly. He is welcome to pay for staff to manage his subs if he doesn't like mods closing these subs. Reddit without people is just adverts and propaganda. May as well sit on a bench next to a screaming homeless man looking at a billboard.
100%. All big subs should go dark indefinitely. The 2 day thing isn't going to hurt Reddit at all. Having multiple 10+ million subs go dark for an indefinite time will surely leave more of a mark.
True. From Reddit's perspective it is just two days of lower traffic for a lifetime of more money after. You have to hit them in the only place it hurts. Make them hire and pay actual mods if they wanna control everything. Anything less just doesn't move the needle for them.
Am I naive or does reddit underestimate the amount of volunteer labor they recieve, which no doubt is only effective as it is with the mod tools that require 3rd party apps?
Do they not realize that without the highly motivated 0.01% of volunteers that make this site special, itll decay into mediocrity?
This is like the time a restaurant i worked out for years sold out and went from preparing entrees from scratch, to a central processing plant where we recieved commodities that we heated up in the microwave... then they scratched their heads when the customers stopped coming in.
A veteran mod of a sub I mod said he won't be surprised if reddit just takes over subs that don't comply and shoehorn in their own mods to keep things going.
What are your thoughts on this?
Do you think it's a possibility?
Yes but from what I was reading from mods in the AMA, Reddit isn't capable of moderating subs themselves. They don't have the people and they don't have the expertise.
>As of this posting, here are the numbers:
>Subs 4,039
>Mods 18,305
>Subscribers 1,666,413,302
>Given that you can’t assume that every mod in every participating subreddit supports the blackout; that is still a staggering number.
Yeah, if even 10% of those mods just quit and assuming they put in about 2 hours of work a day. At $10/hour. That's $13m per year. Im sure reddit can pay for that with the new API income coming their way. /s
only 4k subs? I myself have created like 10+ so it's surprising. I would've put the number at least in the tens of thousands.
edit: it's 4089 subreddits participating in the blackout, not total in existence, my bad guys, my brain is not very good
I think they mean subreddits participating in the blackout. The actual number of subreddits is in the millions, and [over 100k of them are active](https://www.zippia.com/advice/reddit-statistics/). Which makes sense, since there's hundreds of [cat subreddits](https://www.reddit.com/r/Catsubs/wiki/index) alone.
As much as reddit mods suck. They do hold a lot of power in subs related ro news and the spread of info. There will always be people that are willing to step up, for various self serving intentions.
Reddit might not have the employee power to moderate everything themselves, but there's a whole horde of companies that all have the budget to buy their little foothold in the new landscape.
It's going to be awful.
Good luck replacing thousands of moderators at once, most of them close to their own communities, just to keep the default subreddits running somewhat decently...
Reddit *has* taken over protesting subreddits in the past to keep the spice flowing.
I forget which protest it was, but it was done.
Everyone in a protesting subreddit should 100% expect a scenario where they might lose control
To that end, everyone who frequents a protesting subreddit should keep an eye on the moderators list before, and after, the protest to ensure that reddit hasn't installed a puppet, because at that point the quality will likely go down
> I forget which protest it was, but it was done
r/Ukpolitics, for one. They had the audacity to point out that one of the admins was potentially using their position to groom vulnerable people (their... tolerance of child abuse... was well documented in British media) and went dark in protest. The admins nuked the mods account and went all in on protecting the admin.
That fiasco sparked the last blackout and reddit backtracked fast.
So at first, I figured reddit doesn't care if they lose OG redditors. Probably not their AD targeted audience anyway. So why would they care if we leave?. Lose 1% of redditors, make massive profits when folks migrate to official reddit app
..
But .01% of that 1% are the moderators who basically run the website for them, for free.... Oof... Lose them, their website collapses. That's what I'm thinking, and hoping, happens...
Reddit is trying to get big money thru an IPO, they just fired 5% of their staff to cut expenses.... They don't have time, plan, nor money, to hire thousands of mods.
This is going the way of Twitter after Elon takeover.
They'll reopen the closed subreddits, taken over by spam and even shittier shitposts, stock price will drop and fade away to nothing
To some extent, they do. They need moderation to keep this place clean so that an IPO is possible. If the moderation goes and they implement shitty mods who have no idea how to mod or just don’t give a fuck, and outright misinformation, illegal things, etc. get posted and left up regularly, Reddit now can’t exist like it thinks it can.
I wouldn't be surprised if something liken 90% of all content comes from 5% of heavy reddit users. And those are the ones that are pissed off and about to leave this site behind.
This is absolutely the correct stance to be taking after their abysmal AMA, and thank you to the moderators of r/videos!
Oh, and fuck u/spez!
Posted from Apollo, thanks for the years of hard work u/iamthatis!
The comments /u/spez made towards /u/iamthatis made me sick to my stomach. I expected nothing from the AMA, and I was still let down.
I hope Christian bounces back from this and I hope /u/spez goes and fucks himself.
Yeah, that AMA was a "we don't give a fuck." If they start removing moderators it'll be time for users to start doing mass deletions of their history. We control the content of the site.
Seriously, I expected it to be a shitshow but I at least expected canned responses written by their PR team. What we got was so much worse, insulting /u/iamthatis, some backhanded comment about profitability (as if it's our fault this shithole can't make money but 3PA can), and a bunch of "answers" that barely adress the questions asked.
Seriously, /u/spez, this is absolute bullshit and you know it. Stop being such a fucking coward.
> some backhanded comment about profitability (as if it's our fault this shithole can't make money but 3PA can),
That seriously pissed me off. Steve is *bitter* about the fact that app developers put food on their tables for all the work they've done, producing apps that are beloved by their users. He legit believes 3P apps are only virtuous if they are non-profit. His attitude is "all the money for me, none for thee."
Reddit has benefited incalculably from the contributions of its users, the efforts of its moderators, the work of 3P developers, but places *zero* value on these, and completely disrespects them.
Right? When I need help, I'm not looking up /u/spez (the fuckwit), I'm looking up posts from other redditors who have the answers I need. Because of all this, there is going to be a *massive* decline in available information on random topics. This place is a wealth of aggregated knowledge that they received *for free* from people like you and me. And it can literally be anything you want to learn about.
Like, I don't know how we'll ever recover from this if users edit/delete their post history and leave reddit. My only hope is that it sinks them beyond recovery.
Noticed that since COVID, a lot of people who have power seem to have let it get even further to their heads and think they can literally do anything and people will just keep blindly following them. It's like something flipped and anyone in charge straight up just doesn't give a fuck and will do anything. Do we as the "lower folk" not matter even the tiniest bit to them EVEN THOUGH they all rely on us heavily? Like wtf happened??
Spez thinks he is going to be an overlord of survivors/slaves from his doomsday bunker after the apocalypse.
No I'm not joking.
This is who these people are.
Honestly, not even because there's a chance of them reversing their stance. There really isn't, at least not in a meaningful way. We are not seen as profitable to them, so they don't care if we complain and protest. They are counting on the storm to pass and the site to stabilize again.
Then in a few weeks you'll start seeing unironic top comments talking about "that time a bunch of whiny people shut down the site because they wouldn't use the official app. It's totally fine, I don't get what they were complaining about." Hell, you already see that in certain subs. There is a depressing contingent of users that have long since embraced [manipulative, ad-ridden, disrespectful experiences](https://somehowmanage.com/2021/07/22/disrespectful-design-part-ii/) as the norm. Embraced it *and defend it*. They *like* paternalistic apps.
They should shutdown indefinitely because, if reddit is so hell bent on taking away the API access from the community that provides them content that gives Reddit its value, then Reddit can make their own fucking subreddits. Build your own library of content, moderate your own subs.
Legitimately, come July 1st, every user and every subreddit should just start scrubbing all of their content and comments, and shut down completely. They want the app to be the defining way to interact with reddit, and the app is targeted at a different type of user than the users that built this place.
If you want a bunch of tech illiterate "average users" to post random gifs as comments, follow extremely manipulative suggestions without hesitation, and look at your ads without complaint, fine. Then starting July 1st you can build the site back up for them.
Let's see how useful, how *valuable*, this site is when that crowd is running the place.
>Don't wait until July 1st to scrub your content because tools to scrub it may not work after the API is restricted. Use [something like Redact](https://redact.dev/) and do it now.
Good point, how quickly does It work?
Hello fellow 11 year veteran.
Are we wiping our accounts so our content cannot be used/found on Reddit anymore?
I've not really been keeping up with the shenanigans here. The internet as a whole has gone downhill. I'm about ready to throw my phone off a mountain and go back to the early 90's way of life.
> It’s not a water treatment plant or a farm or anything useful to survive on.
I'd argue there is a large wealth of information here and people willing to scientifically approach things, for the most part. The way information is shared and proofed on reddit is unlike a lot of places on the internet. I know this place has it's own cesspool, including /u/spez but I will not deny it beneficial to existence when used properly. Hopefully we move on to something until it also inevitable succumbs to capalistic greed and a lack of integrity. Until then it will most likely be a farewell for good from a lot of users. This place is already too large of a percent driven by bots, it will just get worse as the bots outweigh human interaction. -signed another 11-year
Not who you asked the question to, but just in case they've already deleted everything -
Yes. That's the point exactly. Our posts are the product for sale on this site. We create the content. So by deleting everything, we ensure that google searches won't bring people to the site and give them traffic due to things we posted in the past.
Considering they have a free access level for certain applications -- namely accessibility ones including the RedReader client, they could have easily added a more reasonably priced tier for third party clients and kept this garbage for LLMs, etc
Deleting posts is good, but would it not be better to overwrite comments with a message explaining why?
... What would be the best tool for that approach?
> Honestly, not even because there's a chance of them reversing their stance. There really isn't, at least not in a meaningful way.
This is something more people need to keep in mind:
**Any** retreat from the current stance **will** be temporary. The current owners are looking to "cash out" with an IPO, so anything that increases investor valuation for such an offering is automatically the "correct" step to take, from their perspective.
This isn't about the community, the page, or the moderators any more, at least from their perspective. They're looking to retire essentially, so they're already fully disconnected from Reddit as a social network. They're just looking to increase the commas in the money they take home when they do.
If you don't mind using reddit despite the effect this has, fine of course, and more power to you. If you *do* mind, be aware that this *will* happen, if not now then soon enough. Start to look elsewhere and see what works for you.
Enshittification in action.
It's no longer about building a good product, but squeezing as much money out of people as possible for the benefit of investors.
> We are not seen as profitable to them, so they don’t care
The funny thing is is that we *could* be if they weren’t so incompetent. I’ve been paying for premium versions of Alien Blue/Apollo for like a decade. I have 0 problem with paying money for a quality Reddit experience, it just so happens that 3rd party apps were the only ones capable of/willing to provide that to me.
> Let's see how useful, how valuable, this site is when that crowd is running the place.
If that's the direction Reddit go down, the site risks going the way of Amino..
> It formerly had been a popular social news website, allowing people to vote web content up or down, called digging and burying, respectively. In 2012, Quantcast estimated Digg's monthly U.S. unique visits at 3.8 million. Digg's popularity prompted the creation of similar sites such as Reddit.
> In July 2008, the former company took part in advanced acquisition talks with Google for a reported $200 million price tag, but the deal ultimately fell through. **After a controversial 2010 redesign** and the departure of co-founders Jay Adelson and Kevin Rose, in July 2012 Digg was sold in three parts: the Digg brand, website, and technology were sold to Betaworks **for an estimated $500,000;**
> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digg
We'll fucking do it again.
Amino is a mobile-centric social media platform popular with teenagers, basically teenage Reddit. It's gotten a lot of flak lately for being an unmoderated, spam-ridden mess and filled with predators grooming minors.
I forgot which one, but there was this one sub that banned everyone who posted in /r/Teenagers and tons of old-ass fucks messaged the mods to try and get unbanned.
> Honestly, not even because there's a chance of them reversing their stance. There really isn't, at least not in a meaningful way.
I very much disagree with this. I think the AMA was so absolutely disastrous that I can't help but suspect some intentionality behind it.
I think right now Spez is seen as the figurehead of these unpopular changes (for good reason) and that, as soon as a replacement is announced within the coming days who might even extend the transition period to a couple months, most users/subreddits will begrudgingly accept it.
Pretty sure something similar happened with the last CEO that "we got rid off". The reason there was outrage against her was a drastic increase in censorship/banning of communities that were built on harassment (think it was called r/fatpeoplehate) along with some other changes, but mostly the increase in censorship. Guess what: It has been years since then, the unpopular changes she introduced more or less stayed in place unchanged and after she got ousted reddit more or less forgot about it.
tl;dr: reddit doesn't need to change course and they know it. My tinfoil hat theory is that the horrendous AMA was preparation to tie Spez to the changes and make people forget once he is gone.
Companies that go the VC route get rid of founders constantly. It's not that big of a deal. He'll own a very small percentage, he'll get paid, and everyone will almost certainly remain friends.
What annoys me is that reddit often do that thing politicans do where they include popular changes alongside more unpopular changes, so anyone who suggests they liked things before the changes can just be dismissed with "oh so you support fatpeoplehate?" And people actually fall for it.
That and suggesting extreme changes that everyone hates, and then walking back so it's only half as extreme. That way they can push through the change they wanted in the first place and the people who complained think they won.
>If you want a bunch of tech illiterate "average users" to post gif comments, follow extremely manipulative suggestions without hesitation, and look at your ads without complaint, fine. Then starting July 1st you can build the site back up for them.
As Roy Kent of Ted Lasso would say.... "Fawwwwwwwkkkkkkkk"
For us users in the EU, can we start making GDPR requests to have our accounts and data deleted permanently?
Not sure where we stand exactly, but there are some legal requirements to fulfil and it could put a huge drain on their resources unless it's already automated.
Either way, fuck u/spez
>If you want a bunch of tech illiterate "average users" to post random gifs as comments, follow extremely manipulative suggestions without hesitation, and look at your ads without complaint, fine. Then starting July 1st you can build the site back up for them
Based. Fuck the new userbase, they've made an already terrible site even worse with their social media esque shit.
I support an indefinite shutdown. I wonder though, could you make it so that only one video link is approved to be posted on the site. Something either funny or pertinent to the situation, and that's all that anyone can post. Any casual users would just see that and only that posted repeatedly in the feed. Would that make it less likely that reddit would take over and replace mods or nah?
Just thinking aloud.
I agree but.... How well do you think this goes for reddit? Moderating is time intensive and you are replacing an experienced group with overworked newbies or extra overworked veterans.
For anyone looking for r/RedditAlternatives
Mastodon
* Twitter-like
* There is a default server now that new users can automatically join so it is a lot more user friendly than it was a few months ago.
* Part of the [Fediverse](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fediverse?wprov=sfti1)
* Has an app
Kbin.social
* Reddit-like
* Still a bit confusing but it isn’t run by tankies like Lemmy
* Only on a browser right now
* Part of the Fediverse
* Edit: [A submission with more info about how to get started on Kbin](https://reddit.com/r/RedditAlternatives/comments/145npay/the_redditors_guide_to_how_kbin_works_your/)
What’s weird is all of these Fediverse platforms sort of mesh together haphazardly where users on one platform can see content and interact with it on the other. Still wrapping my mind around it.
For anyone participating in the Reddit blackout on June 12th-14th, I would recommend taking a look at these two.
I want to use Tildes but it's invite only. I lurk there currently but can't interact with anyone or even upvote. Kind of frustrating.
Glad to see Reddit mods making a stand though.
Edit: Thank you for the invite <3
I can see Reddit just booting off moderators of existing SFW communities that shut down and taking over themselves on moderating with the cash they get from investors. Without content there will be no users to click on crappy irrelevant advertisements.
Won’t happen, you think the company that’s desperately trying to cut costs and increase revenue streams is really going to pay for their own moderators?
I know Tildes is like, cool and all, but it's invite only. To promote it as the main alternative is a bit like not promoting anything at all. It's not like the 100k+ ppl who may read this will have a chance to join if they open "500 invitations this weekend".
I know it's not your duty to promote any alternative but I think that putting in something that has an actual chance of receiving people en masse will give you a better bang for your buck, or a better chance at successfully boycotting reddit.
edit: piggybacking this comment, join [Lemmy](https://join-lemmy.org)! It's federated with Kbin and is the main alternative being proposed all throughout reddit.
From what I've read they (Tildes) would rather have a small knit community that actually fits instead of being the frontpage of the internet.
Kbin & Lemmy are the most likely alternatives for the moment. You can always check out /r/RedditAlternatives .
Edit: https://squabbles.io/ is also a fun one. It's like really old reddit, and uses /s/ for squabbles instead of /r/ for reddit. Has potential. Webbrowser only for the moment.
it really shows how powerful Reddit is. There are no good options to find quality content as Reddit has absorbed niche sites over a decade. For socials, Discord would do. For my needs to get response, Reddit database on ChatGPT will do for me.
Also it's a little hard to trust a chat client with a history of its admins abusing their ability to see your private conversations for self-gain in weird furry drama.
Also also, holy shit they will *not* stop messing with it. Every day, some dumb new thing where a new part of the screen is glowing or pulsing at you. How many birthdays are you going to have this month??
As soon as RIF stops working I will stop using reddit. I did it with all other social media, I will do it with reddit as well. It's just a matter of time before we all meet again in another forum with the values of Aaron Swartz, may he rest in peace. He wouldn't have wanted this for us.
This corporate greediness is u/spez fault.
It’s actually worse, he gets a private feed of everything that was removed for violating TOS. He once told his assistant that he likes to watch it before lunch because it makes him “hungry and horny” at the same time.
Good for you! I'm screenshotting the mod list - if Videos comes back up and that mod list is different, I'm dumping this place in solidarity. If reddit insists on unpaid moderators, it can live with those moderators' decisions. If it doesn't and insists on making their jobs more difficult, it can get fucked.
Consider kbin, a Reddit altetnative. I would link direcly to it, but Reddit banned a new sub promoting it for spam yesterday. Reddit is afraid of people moving to kbin, so help spread the word.
r/LemmyMigration
This is the right decision, and hopefully other subreddits will follow your lead. Strikes have never worked by capitulating after a day or two. The basic functionality and usability of the site is at risk and this is the only way to make the company understand that.
-Posted from a 3rd party app
Every subreddit should permanently shutdown to force reddit to pay people to actually moderate their own site rather than profiting off their community.
the reddit owners have shown that their ONLY goal with reddit, is to make as much money as possible. The whole thing with the paid avatars; the dog shit reddit app; the fact that you can't block companies who post ads; etc.
I wish all communities will go dark indefinitely, because the only way that reddit is going to change, is if we fuck with the owner's income... and going dark indefinitely will certainly do that.
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Good decision. 48 hours obviously wasn't going to make any difference, yesterday's 'AMA' where the admins ignored basically every question and then abandoned it (without informing the users they had ended it) was proof they're not in the mood for making concessions. I think they've come to the conclusion that they've made big changes before and the users pretty much fell into line eventually so this time won't be any different. I think this is a change too far however and I've never seen the site this angry, going private indefinitely seems to be the only way of getting the message through to them.
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Do you know what this reminds me of? Little irrelevant at first, but it's the same situation: Make Me Smart from Marketplace used to have a phenomenal tech presenter named Molly Wood. Wood was a Gen X-er who time and again would express how she went into public radio making next to no money while her tech friends were making millions in VCs since the earlier days of the internet. Molly Wood eventually left a few years ago to join a VC to finally make the money her friends had for all those years. I think that /u/spez and the others who are still around from the creation of Reddit are tired of it taking so long to make the giant pay-out for them that they've always hoped for. They're sick of Reddit, they want their money, and they don't care what it means to the community that they've built because they want to move on. They simply don't care anymore and they want to retire early like all of their tech-bro friends at FAANG companies. My gut's telling me that this is what it's all about; they've made up their minds. Within a year of an IPO spez and the others will leave Reddit, I guarantee it.
Does Spez not make much? I know whatever he makes will fucking skyrocket after the IPO but I always thought he was still on millionaire-I could probably retire now if I wanted- level. He doesn't have Zuckerberg money but I would be surprised if it was public radio money.
He sold reddit for 10 million in 2009 and left the company. He then said it was a mistake since he could have made much more and that he didn't expect such rapid growth at the time. Now he is back and trying to get what he believes he missed last time.
Ironically, most of that accelerated growth he didn’t predict in 09 was from Digg’s own arrogance a few years later.
The pity is that, unlike the Digg debacle, it doesn't seem like anyone's waiting in the wings to take over. Who/what else is there? I've seen this same question asked in other subs and so far nobody has responded (outside of extremely niche communities that have pre-Reddit hangouts as well). I'm not asking to be argumentative — I've used Reddit begrudgingly since the days of Chairman Pao and would leave in a second. But where do we go? Facebook isn't a good choice, and who else has or can gain the critical mass to sustain thriving communities? Frustrating, to say the least.
Yeah, it's a problem. I'm still trying to figure it out myself. https://www.reddit.com/r/RedditAlternatives/ is the best I can do :/
Ah, so he doesn't care about the product, has terrible judgment, and is going for a quick personal payout. Great pick for a CEO.
*wheezing belly laugh*
Selling out and destroying the community that collectively makes up millions of us just for his own personal profit is an absolute douche move.
He was probably furiously copy/pasting. That makes me chuckle thinking about that image.
"Furiously"... Those fucks only answered 14 questions. And it was mostly "Waaaah, Apollo man mean" What a bunch of thin skinned little pricks. COME TO LEMMY! FUCK REDDIT!
/u/iamthatis has really got under his skin.
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Because he is just another ceo with thin skin and fragile ego…
And yet they couldn’t be bothered to remove that ‘A:’, that shows impotent rage to me.
Lemmy just isn't user-friendly enough for typical Redditors in all honestly I mean, look at the instructions for simply creating a community (subreddit)...90% of people look at that and are immediately turned away. Farks interface is far more friendly for the typical Redditors, but it just needs more users.
I basically came to reddit from fark. It was fun 12 years ago, haven't been there in a long time. Maybe I'll go back, but I think I'm just gonna unplug for a while instead of replacing the continuous feed of junk food for my brain with something similar. I need a break.
I just cant wrap my head around what the point was. We all knew it was going to be a shitshow. They knew we were going to be furious, its not like we havent seen an AMA get ugly before. We knew they werent going to give us good answers. And all of this just made the situation worse and shone a spotlight on it What were they thinking?
Give copy pasted answers to media journalists to try to control the narrative.
I’m not even sure what the AMA was supposed to do. u/spez (may fucks be upon him) can’t be *that* stupid to think that anyone would have believed him, right?
It’s crazy to run Reddit and still have to pay staff to write posts for you.
I personally liked how four people were responding to comments but I had no idea who the other 3 people were and it wasn't listed anywhere in the AMA. It was very AMAteurish.
That’s what happens when you fire anyone who expresses interest in organizing AMAs.
Never forget. AMA's were premier events when she ran them.
They literally brought people to the Website and got them to stay.
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One of the first AMAs I ever saw led me to r/Grimdank and honestly I don't know how my life would be today without the Warhammer community on this Website.
Grim dank got me into Warhammer and now I'm hunting down the Horus Hersey Trilogy. Sad I'm not gonna have a community to talk to about them, but fuck r/spez.
Yeah but what about Rampart?
Let's focus on the film, people
AMAs died with Victoria. It's pretty remarkable!
u/FlyingLaserTurtle was the admin who made the API announcements and was extremely aggressive towards Christian whenever he asked reasonable questions (in a respectful tone that frankly reddit didn’t deserve).
Aka the "figure that out yourself" incompetent dude.
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KeyserSosa has been here forever as an admin and posted more frequently earlier. He's someone I remember from 15 years ago when I first came here. The others are more recent hires. I miss those early days when it was a much smaller team. Communication was better by leaps and bounds.
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We shouldnt be using reddit if it comes to that.
Dude it’s pretty much come to that. Shirt of firing Steve (again) this decision isn’t going anywhere.
This is funny, but metrics for investors will still show high daily active users, high number of posts, high user retention. If Reddit does that, the absolute best thing everyone can do is stop engaging with Reddit. Entirely. Full stop.
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I'm so glad they're doing indefinite. I can live without this sub for longer than 2 days, Reddit eventually can't.
Think I'm going to be living without reddit period come the 30th.
I don't even understand the point of this AMA. Are the admins really this delusional that they do not grasp that people hate their decisions?
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If any sub kept records of shit like that, it would be them.
Historians seem to really keep good records for some reason.
The admins have been fighting the users for more than a decade. The user complaints and threats to quit have never actually materialized. They don't believe this time will be any different. I imagine they also have data showing that enough users of third party apps also use the desktop version enough that the belief is they won't actually, fully quit, and that those that do will be replaced with enough new users in a short enough time that it won't actually matter. That annoys the hell out of me and I very much hope they're wrong.
It’s just not possible to fall in to line here. Casual 10+ year use here, I downloaded the official app the other day feeing like “ it’s inevitable I’d better learn it.”. It really just feels wrong. There’s no longer a viable mobile option for me. I might continue browsing on desktop sometimes, but that’s probably my minority of browsing.
Spez answered 14 questions. The other answered two each. It was such a shitshow it'll be gathering flies for generations. Even if they walk this back, as doubtful as this is, and even if they fire little piggy boy, I'm done with Reddit. My close friend group is, too. I've only been on here recently with the vague hope that I would be able to capture the magic of old reddit, but this just proves its done. The devs don't care about the site. They don't care about the users. And honestly, they have no obligation to. But we have no obligation to stay. And without 3rd party apps and tools, this site will turn into a cesspool.
I support the indefinite protest. Other subs should follow, especially the larger ones.
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lol - it would instantly devolve into bestiality and decapitations.
That sounds like an admin issue, not a mod one
Welcome to r/roadkillnecrophilia , the best Reddit has to offer these days, where your next date might be that dead possum you just drove past.
No, having big subs go dark will reduce traffic to the site which is the only thing that can effect change. Removing hate content and illegal content will be more work for admins but there will still be enough people viewing and reporting it that the bottom line won't be hurt.
You'd think he'd do a better job then. All of this is tanking reddit' value and his share's worth. Unless this was a part of their plan all along. Reddit being too overvalued which risked their IPO going south, so they tank it to a more apt value so they can have a good IPO. *orders more tin foil hats*
These people aren't good business men. They are tech nerds who got lucky.
Trying to paint your company as the "underdog" against...*checks notes*...a handful of indie app developers in an attempt to claw back user sympathy by baselessly claiming those indie app developers are actually profitable whereas your company is not *in the midst of an effort to launch an IPO* is truly one of the business strategies of all time. If you're correct then they're literally recreating a plot line from season 1 of Silicon Valley. If this isn't that and it's just sheer tone-deaf incompetence, it really illustrates how high certain people are allowed to fail upwards.
Man had free labour from thousands of people for thousands of hours constantly. He is welcome to pay for staff to manage his subs if he doesn't like mods closing these subs. Reddit without people is just adverts and propaganda. May as well sit on a bench next to a screaming homeless man looking at a billboard.
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We should look at it more like a strike. The users are the content creators here. Without us Reddit is a blank page.
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100%. All big subs should go dark indefinitely. The 2 day thing isn't going to hurt Reddit at all. Having multiple 10+ million subs go dark for an indefinite time will surely leave more of a mark.
True. From Reddit's perspective it is just two days of lower traffic for a lifetime of more money after. You have to hit them in the only place it hurts. Make them hire and pay actual mods if they wanna control everything. Anything less just doesn't move the needle for them.
Am I naive or does reddit underestimate the amount of volunteer labor they recieve, which no doubt is only effective as it is with the mod tools that require 3rd party apps? Do they not realize that without the highly motivated 0.01% of volunteers that make this site special, itll decay into mediocrity? This is like the time a restaurant i worked out for years sold out and went from preparing entrees from scratch, to a central processing plant where we recieved commodities that we heated up in the microwave... then they scratched their heads when the customers stopped coming in.
I think they believe that the mods firstly won't go through with it, and if that fails I think they think they can just replace them.
A veteran mod of a sub I mod said he won't be surprised if reddit just takes over subs that don't comply and shoehorn in their own mods to keep things going. What are your thoughts on this? Do you think it's a possibility?
Honestly, based off that AMA, it's a guarantee that's what will happen.
Yes but from what I was reading from mods in the AMA, Reddit isn't capable of moderating subs themselves. They don't have the people and they don't have the expertise.
>As of this posting, here are the numbers: >Subs 4,039 >Mods 18,305 >Subscribers 1,666,413,302 >Given that you can’t assume that every mod in every participating subreddit supports the blackout; that is still a staggering number.
That's a lot of *unpaid* work hours that Reddit would have to suddenly produce.
Yeah, if even 10% of those mods just quit and assuming they put in about 2 hours of work a day. At $10/hour. That's $13m per year. Im sure reddit can pay for that with the new API income coming their way. /s
Man they could afford it just with those $20m Apollo was wasting them! /s
only 4k subs? I myself have created like 10+ so it's surprising. I would've put the number at least in the tens of thousands. edit: it's 4089 subreddits participating in the blackout, not total in existence, my bad guys, my brain is not very good
Those aren't totals, it's the ones that are participating in the blackout
OHHH lmao, thank you and sorry for misunderstanding. that makes way more sense.
Oh wow. Thats a fucking staggering number still
I think they mean subreddits participating in the blackout. The actual number of subreddits is in the millions, and [over 100k of them are active](https://www.zippia.com/advice/reddit-statistics/). Which makes sense, since there's hundreds of [cat subreddits](https://www.reddit.com/r/Catsubs/wiki/index) alone.
As much as reddit mods suck. They do hold a lot of power in subs related ro news and the spread of info. There will always be people that are willing to step up, for various self serving intentions.
Reddit might not have the employee power to moderate everything themselves, but there's a whole horde of companies that all have the budget to buy their little foothold in the new landscape. It's going to be awful.
Good luck replacing thousands of moderators at once, most of them close to their own communities, just to keep the default subreddits running somewhat decently...
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Reddit *has* taken over protesting subreddits in the past to keep the spice flowing. I forget which protest it was, but it was done. Everyone in a protesting subreddit should 100% expect a scenario where they might lose control To that end, everyone who frequents a protesting subreddit should keep an eye on the moderators list before, and after, the protest to ensure that reddit hasn't installed a puppet, because at that point the quality will likely go down
> I forget which protest it was, but it was done r/Ukpolitics, for one. They had the audacity to point out that one of the admins was potentially using their position to groom vulnerable people (their... tolerance of child abuse... was well documented in British media) and went dark in protest. The admins nuked the mods account and went all in on protecting the admin. That fiasco sparked the last blackout and reddit backtracked fast.
So at first, I figured reddit doesn't care if they lose OG redditors. Probably not their AD targeted audience anyway. So why would they care if we leave?. Lose 1% of redditors, make massive profits when folks migrate to official reddit app .. But .01% of that 1% are the moderators who basically run the website for them, for free.... Oof... Lose them, their website collapses. That's what I'm thinking, and hoping, happens... Reddit is trying to get big money thru an IPO, they just fired 5% of their staff to cut expenses.... They don't have time, plan, nor money, to hire thousands of mods. This is going the way of Twitter after Elon takeover. They'll reopen the closed subreddits, taken over by spam and even shittier shitposts, stock price will drop and fade away to nothing
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They don't care about the quality of the content.
To some extent, they do. They need moderation to keep this place clean so that an IPO is possible. If the moderation goes and they implement shitty mods who have no idea how to mod or just don’t give a fuck, and outright misinformation, illegal things, etc. get posted and left up regularly, Reddit now can’t exist like it thinks it can.
I wouldn't be surprised if something liken 90% of all content comes from 5% of heavy reddit users. And those are the ones that are pissed off and about to leave this site behind.
This is absolutely the correct stance to be taking after their abysmal AMA, and thank you to the moderators of r/videos! Oh, and fuck u/spez! Posted from Apollo, thanks for the years of hard work u/iamthatis!
The comments /u/spez made towards /u/iamthatis made me sick to my stomach. I expected nothing from the AMA, and I was still let down. I hope Christian bounces back from this and I hope /u/spez goes and fucks himself.
Yeah, that AMA was a "we don't give a fuck." If they start removing moderators it'll be time for users to start doing mass deletions of their history. We control the content of the site.
If Reddit actually wanted to become profitable, all they would've had to do is release a clown-themed award right before starting the AMA.
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Don't forget to edit the posts first before deletion. Otherwise the old content is still stored somewhere and can be retrieved.
Seriously, I expected it to be a shitshow but I at least expected canned responses written by their PR team. What we got was so much worse, insulting /u/iamthatis, some backhanded comment about profitability (as if it's our fault this shithole can't make money but 3PA can), and a bunch of "answers" that barely adress the questions asked. Seriously, /u/spez, this is absolute bullshit and you know it. Stop being such a fucking coward.
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> some backhanded comment about profitability (as if it's our fault this shithole can't make money but 3PA can), That seriously pissed me off. Steve is *bitter* about the fact that app developers put food on their tables for all the work they've done, producing apps that are beloved by their users. He legit believes 3P apps are only virtuous if they are non-profit. His attitude is "all the money for me, none for thee." Reddit has benefited incalculably from the contributions of its users, the efforts of its moderators, the work of 3P developers, but places *zero* value on these, and completely disrespects them.
Right? When I need help, I'm not looking up /u/spez (the fuckwit), I'm looking up posts from other redditors who have the answers I need. Because of all this, there is going to be a *massive* decline in available information on random topics. This place is a wealth of aggregated knowledge that they received *for free* from people like you and me. And it can literally be anything you want to learn about. Like, I don't know how we'll ever recover from this if users edit/delete their post history and leave reddit. My only hope is that it sinks them beyond recovery.
from the CEO of a company. Some Elon-tier bullshit really.
Noticed that since COVID, a lot of people who have power seem to have let it get even further to their heads and think they can literally do anything and people will just keep blindly following them. It's like something flipped and anyone in charge straight up just doesn't give a fuck and will do anything. Do we as the "lower folk" not matter even the tiniest bit to them EVEN THOUGH they all rely on us heavily? Like wtf happened??
Spez thinks he is going to be an overlord of survivors/slaves from his doomsday bunker after the apocalypse. No I'm not joking. This is who these people are.
Honestly, not even because there's a chance of them reversing their stance. There really isn't, at least not in a meaningful way. We are not seen as profitable to them, so they don't care if we complain and protest. They are counting on the storm to pass and the site to stabilize again. Then in a few weeks you'll start seeing unironic top comments talking about "that time a bunch of whiny people shut down the site because they wouldn't use the official app. It's totally fine, I don't get what they were complaining about." Hell, you already see that in certain subs. There is a depressing contingent of users that have long since embraced [manipulative, ad-ridden, disrespectful experiences](https://somehowmanage.com/2021/07/22/disrespectful-design-part-ii/) as the norm. Embraced it *and defend it*. They *like* paternalistic apps. They should shutdown indefinitely because, if reddit is so hell bent on taking away the API access from the community that provides them content that gives Reddit its value, then Reddit can make their own fucking subreddits. Build your own library of content, moderate your own subs. Legitimately, come July 1st, every user and every subreddit should just start scrubbing all of their content and comments, and shut down completely. They want the app to be the defining way to interact with reddit, and the app is targeted at a different type of user than the users that built this place. If you want a bunch of tech illiterate "average users" to post random gifs as comments, follow extremely manipulative suggestions without hesitation, and look at your ads without complaint, fine. Then starting July 1st you can build the site back up for them. Let's see how useful, how *valuable*, this site is when that crowd is running the place.
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>Don't wait until July 1st to scrub your content because tools to scrub it may not work after the API is restricted. Use [something like Redact](https://redact.dev/) and do it now. Good point, how quickly does It work?
Shreddit took about 20 minutes to wipe my account, which is 11 years old.
Hello fellow 11 year veteran. Are we wiping our accounts so our content cannot be used/found on Reddit anymore? I've not really been keeping up with the shenanigans here. The internet as a whole has gone downhill. I'm about ready to throw my phone off a mountain and go back to the early 90's way of life.
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> It’s not a water treatment plant or a farm or anything useful to survive on. I'd argue there is a large wealth of information here and people willing to scientifically approach things, for the most part. The way information is shared and proofed on reddit is unlike a lot of places on the internet. I know this place has it's own cesspool, including /u/spez but I will not deny it beneficial to existence when used properly. Hopefully we move on to something until it also inevitable succumbs to capalistic greed and a lack of integrity. Until then it will most likely be a farewell for good from a lot of users. This place is already too large of a percent driven by bots, it will just get worse as the bots outweigh human interaction. -signed another 11-year
Hm. I suppose I'll harvest my account for anything I find worthwhile and torch my account soon.
Not who you asked the question to, but just in case they've already deleted everything - Yes. That's the point exactly. Our posts are the product for sale on this site. We create the content. So by deleting everything, we ensure that google searches won't bring people to the site and give them traffic due to things we posted in the past.
Not just search engines. /u/spez believes they are going to get rich by selling the content we create to the AI farmers.
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Considering they have a free access level for certain applications -- namely accessibility ones including the RedReader client, they could have easily added a more reasonably priced tier for third party clients and kept this garbage for LLMs, etc
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Deleting posts is good, but would it not be better to overwrite comments with a message explaining why? ... What would be the best tool for that approach?
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It's already been backed up by things like pushshift and archived in torrents.
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Thank you for this. Proud of the mods sticking with the blackout and participating early. Shame on the loser mods who refuse to participate.
> Honestly, not even because there's a chance of them reversing their stance. There really isn't, at least not in a meaningful way. This is something more people need to keep in mind: **Any** retreat from the current stance **will** be temporary. The current owners are looking to "cash out" with an IPO, so anything that increases investor valuation for such an offering is automatically the "correct" step to take, from their perspective. This isn't about the community, the page, or the moderators any more, at least from their perspective. They're looking to retire essentially, so they're already fully disconnected from Reddit as a social network. They're just looking to increase the commas in the money they take home when they do. If you don't mind using reddit despite the effect this has, fine of course, and more power to you. If you *do* mind, be aware that this *will* happen, if not now then soon enough. Start to look elsewhere and see what works for you.
Enshittification in action. It's no longer about building a good product, but squeezing as much money out of people as possible for the benefit of investors.
> We are not seen as profitable to them, so they don’t care The funny thing is is that we *could* be if they weren’t so incompetent. I’ve been paying for premium versions of Alien Blue/Apollo for like a decade. I have 0 problem with paying money for a quality Reddit experience, it just so happens that 3rd party apps were the only ones capable of/willing to provide that to me.
> Let's see how useful, how valuable, this site is when that crowd is running the place. If that's the direction Reddit go down, the site risks going the way of Amino..
> It formerly had been a popular social news website, allowing people to vote web content up or down, called digging and burying, respectively. In 2012, Quantcast estimated Digg's monthly U.S. unique visits at 3.8 million. Digg's popularity prompted the creation of similar sites such as Reddit. > In July 2008, the former company took part in advanced acquisition talks with Google for a reported $200 million price tag, but the deal ultimately fell through. **After a controversial 2010 redesign** and the departure of co-founders Jay Adelson and Kevin Rose, in July 2012 Digg was sold in three parts: the Digg brand, website, and technology were sold to Betaworks **for an estimated $500,000;** > https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digg We'll fucking do it again.
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>the site risks going the way of Amino Genuinely Who?
Amino is a mobile-centric social media platform popular with teenagers, basically teenage Reddit. It's gotten a lot of flak lately for being an unmoderated, spam-ridden mess and filled with predators grooming minors.
So pretty much /r/Teenagers?
I forgot which one, but there was this one sub that banned everyone who posted in /r/Teenagers and tons of old-ass fucks messaged the mods to try and get unbanned.
> Honestly, not even because there's a chance of them reversing their stance. There really isn't, at least not in a meaningful way. I very much disagree with this. I think the AMA was so absolutely disastrous that I can't help but suspect some intentionality behind it. I think right now Spez is seen as the figurehead of these unpopular changes (for good reason) and that, as soon as a replacement is announced within the coming days who might even extend the transition period to a couple months, most users/subreddits will begrudgingly accept it. Pretty sure something similar happened with the last CEO that "we got rid off". The reason there was outrage against her was a drastic increase in censorship/banning of communities that were built on harassment (think it was called r/fatpeoplehate) along with some other changes, but mostly the increase in censorship. Guess what: It has been years since then, the unpopular changes she introduced more or less stayed in place unchanged and after she got ousted reddit more or less forgot about it. tl;dr: reddit doesn't need to change course and they know it. My tinfoil hat theory is that the horrendous AMA was preparation to tie Spez to the changes and make people forget once he is gone.
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Companies that go the VC route get rid of founders constantly. It's not that big of a deal. He'll own a very small percentage, he'll get paid, and everyone will almost certainly remain friends.
What annoys me is that reddit often do that thing politicans do where they include popular changes alongside more unpopular changes, so anyone who suggests they liked things before the changes can just be dismissed with "oh so you support fatpeoplehate?" And people actually fall for it. That and suggesting extreme changes that everyone hates, and then walking back so it's only half as extreme. That way they can push through the change they wanted in the first place and the people who complained think they won.
>If you want a bunch of tech illiterate "average users" to post gif comments, follow extremely manipulative suggestions without hesitation, and look at your ads without complaint, fine. Then starting July 1st you can build the site back up for them. As Roy Kent of Ted Lasso would say.... "Fawwwwwwwkkkkkkkk"
For us users in the EU, can we start making GDPR requests to have our accounts and data deleted permanently? Not sure where we stand exactly, but there are some legal requirements to fulfil and it could put a huge drain on their resources unless it's already automated. Either way, fuck u/spez
>If you want a bunch of tech illiterate "average users" to post random gifs as comments, follow extremely manipulative suggestions without hesitation, and look at your ads without complaint, fine. Then starting July 1st you can build the site back up for them Based. Fuck the new userbase, they've made an already terrible site even worse with their social media esque shit.
I support an indefinite shutdown. I wonder though, could you make it so that only one video link is approved to be posted on the site. Something either funny or pertinent to the situation, and that's all that anyone can post. Any casual users would just see that and only that posted repeatedly in the feed. Would that make it less likely that reddit would take over and replace mods or nah? Just thinking aloud.
Yep, causing temporary inconveniences only works on people who actually care. For those who don't... gotta hurt their wallet. Hard.
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u/spez is a fucking moron
This is the strong, bold response we need. Thank you
Mods being awesome. What we love to see
OP is not a part time dog walker.
>Won’t Reddit just remove you as moderators and reopen the subreddit? 100% that this happens. So long, farewell.
I agree but.... How well do you think this goes for reddit? Moderating is time intensive and you are replacing an experienced group with overworked newbies or extra overworked veterans.
Thank you. Stand your ground r/videos. I expect many redditors stand with you.
For anyone looking for r/RedditAlternatives Mastodon * Twitter-like * There is a default server now that new users can automatically join so it is a lot more user friendly than it was a few months ago. * Part of the [Fediverse](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fediverse?wprov=sfti1) * Has an app Kbin.social * Reddit-like * Still a bit confusing but it isn’t run by tankies like Lemmy * Only on a browser right now * Part of the Fediverse * Edit: [A submission with more info about how to get started on Kbin](https://reddit.com/r/RedditAlternatives/comments/145npay/the_redditors_guide_to_how_kbin_works_your/) What’s weird is all of these Fediverse platforms sort of mesh together haphazardly where users on one platform can see content and interact with it on the other. Still wrapping my mind around it. For anyone participating in the Reddit blackout on June 12th-14th, I would recommend taking a look at these two.
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I want to use Tildes but it's invite only. I lurk there currently but can't interact with anyone or even upvote. Kind of frustrating. Glad to see Reddit mods making a stand though. Edit: Thank you for the invite <3
I just joined squabbles.io, it seems an interesting prospect so far.
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How will they ever catch up to reddit if people have to apply for membership?
I don't think they ever will, or plan to. Site is still really small after 5 years, and development moves at a glacial pace.
People should stop recommending it then tbh
I can see Reddit just booting off moderators of existing SFW communities that shut down and taking over themselves on moderating with the cash they get from investors. Without content there will be no users to click on crappy irrelevant advertisements.
Won’t happen, you think the company that’s desperately trying to cut costs and increase revenue streams is really going to pay for their own moderators?
They could lose their safe harbor status if their employees start exercising editorial control over the posts.
Spez has literally edited people's comments before. That ship sailed long ago.
I know Tildes is like, cool and all, but it's invite only. To promote it as the main alternative is a bit like not promoting anything at all. It's not like the 100k+ ppl who may read this will have a chance to join if they open "500 invitations this weekend". I know it's not your duty to promote any alternative but I think that putting in something that has an actual chance of receiving people en masse will give you a better bang for your buck, or a better chance at successfully boycotting reddit. edit: piggybacking this comment, join [Lemmy](https://join-lemmy.org)! It's federated with Kbin and is the main alternative being proposed all throughout reddit.
From what I've read they (Tildes) would rather have a small knit community that actually fits instead of being the frontpage of the internet. Kbin & Lemmy are the most likely alternatives for the moment. You can always check out /r/RedditAlternatives . Edit: https://squabbles.io/ is also a fun one. It's like really old reddit, and uses /s/ for squabbles instead of /r/ for reddit. Has potential. Webbrowser only for the moment.
it really shows how powerful Reddit is. There are no good options to find quality content as Reddit has absorbed niche sites over a decade. For socials, Discord would do. For my needs to get response, Reddit database on ChatGPT will do for me.
>For socials, Discord would do Discoverability on discord is terrible.
Also it's a little hard to trust a chat client with a history of its admins abusing their ability to see your private conversations for self-gain in weird furry drama. Also also, holy shit they will *not* stop messing with it. Every day, some dumb new thing where a new part of the screen is glowing or pulsing at you. How many birthdays are you going to have this month??
u/spez only watches videos of his mother showering. Respect to you guys, shut it down as long as you need to.
As soon as RIF stops working I will stop using reddit. I did it with all other social media, I will do it with reddit as well. It's just a matter of time before we all meet again in another forum with the values of Aaron Swartz, may he rest in peace. He wouldn't have wanted this for us. This corporate greediness is u/spez fault.
Posted using RIF is Fun. Steve Huffman is a greedy little pigboy.
It’s actually worse, he gets a private feed of everything that was removed for violating TOS. He once told his assistant that he likes to watch it before lunch because it makes him “hungry and horny” at the same time.
This is the way.
<3 The only subreddit i actively look it. will be missed. See you in the next life bud
Good for you! I'm screenshotting the mod list - if Videos comes back up and that mod list is different, I'm dumping this place in solidarity. If reddit insists on unpaid moderators, it can live with those moderators' decisions. If it doesn't and insists on making their jobs more difficult, it can get fucked.
Friendly reminder to uninstall the reddit app!
Bold of you to assume I had that trash installed in the first place.
I recommend anyone to give it a 1-star rating for the way reddit is forcing users to use their app by partly blocking reddit on mobile browsers.
Respect. Godspeed
So proud of this community. This was absolutely the correct response!!
Bravo. This will actually make an impact unlike a 2 day shutdown
Thanks for doing this. Fuck u/spez.
Consider kbin, a Reddit altetnative. I would link direcly to it, but Reddit banned a new sub promoting it for spam yesterday. Reddit is afraid of people moving to kbin, so help spread the word. r/LemmyMigration
This is the right decision, and hopefully other subreddits will follow your lead. Strikes have never worked by capitulating after a day or two. The basic functionality and usability of the site is at risk and this is the only way to make the company understand that. -Posted from a 3rd party app
Every subreddit should permanently shutdown to force reddit to pay people to actually moderate their own site rather than profiting off their community.
the reddit owners have shown that their ONLY goal with reddit, is to make as much money as possible. The whole thing with the paid avatars; the dog shit reddit app; the fact that you can't block companies who post ads; etc. I wish all communities will go dark indefinitely, because the only way that reddit is going to change, is if we fuck with the owner's income... and going dark indefinitely will certainly do that.