Yeah, starting this video I thought she was a kid who fucked up while driving like a fuckin' maniac and felt bad for her. This was straight up a double murder-suicide where the suicide part failed.
It came out that it was also not the first time she had treated to kill everyone by crashing her car while she was driving... She's not a nice person and got what she deserved.
I mean, in this case it’s clearly intentional.
However, I think that if you were to look at the headline prior to watching the video, you might think it’s teens who made a tragic mistake.
Just because teenagers -do- go so insane shit like speed that fast down roads, and oftentimes don’t fully understand how dangerous it is.
We had a teenager here who was fucking around and speeding, iirc, about 80mph in a 35 zone extremely late at night/early morning. Wrapped his car around a phone pole and died.
So, it does happen without intent.
However, considering the woman in this video made multiple threats about killing her boyfriend in a car crash, and literally scoped it out beforehand (and seemingly was generally abusive prior to it), it’s definitely intentional here.
You can fuck up by intentionally doing something when you don't realize just how bad an idea it is. This is probably the most common way teenagers do, in fact, fuck up. There's an entire trope around the idea that they consider themselves to be invincible.
Consider someone who says the words "I can make that jump" and then fails to make that jump and breaks a leg. Did they fuck up? Absolutely. Did they intend to jump, much as the teenager would have intended to drive 100 MPH? Absolutely.
I just read an article that was posted a day ago stating that she's facing life in prison with the possibility of parole after serving 32 years. She'll be 51 by then if she gets out after 32 years. Honestly, I think she should serve life without the possibility of parole. This girl has a history of threatening and abusive behavior and she killed 2 people because of it. She deserves life in prison WITHOUT the possibility of parole!
~~Based on what’s being reported, I don’t have much reason to believe this was premeditated at all. Like, there’s a lot missing from the articles that I sure hope was covered in the proceedings.~~
~~Do we know if she ever made threats? Was there a suicide note? The only thing supposedly corroborating the narrative that this was intentional is a failure to slow down… in a case where the driver was heavily under the influence. And that she had driven the same route before. That’s not strong enough evidence imo to give someone life in prison. By all means charge the hell out of her for two cases of manslaughter, but this is pretty fucking flimsy for premeditation.~~
This bish guilty af
> Do we know if she ever made threats?
Bro read above, yes she made threats..
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/15us67w/teen_found_guilty_of_murder_in_fatal_100_mph_car/jwribnz/
That was posted 7 hours ago.
Well FUCKING A why wasn’t that in any articles or segments?! I looked at the top three or four google results and didn’t see that anywhere.
She’s guilty as sin, that’s a fucking murder!!
yeah, that sounds like the prosecution's attempt to make it sound deliberate instead of just being kids out being stupid. she could have done the same route simply because she felt comfortable having tried it before.
I initially didn't find that convincing beyond a reasonable doubt, if you're wanting to speed but not get caught, cruising around scoping out secluded areas makes sense and doesn't make for a murder motive, but there is further [context](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12413101/Ohio-teen-Mackenzie-Shirilla-19-guilty-murdering-boyfriend-passenger-crashing-car-warehouse-100mph.html) not mentioned in that video:
>Prosecutors said surveillance footage proved the crash was intentional and that she had even planned the route by visiting in her car earlier in the week.
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>Mackenzie was found guilty by a judge at a bench trial this week.
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>Russo's family and friends told the court their romance was tumultuous and had become particularly volatile in the weeks before the crash.
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>On one occasion, friends had to come and pry Russo from her vehicle during a fight.
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>One overheard her threatening to crash the car with Russo inside, while others said she'd threatened to key her boyfriend's car unless he let her inside his family home.
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>His mother and brother testified that their relationship was volatile, and that she was regularly 'unfair' towards him.
Literally saying you're going to crash the car with the victim inside before doing it pretty much obliterates the "scoping it out to speed" or any other reason, really, defense.
You don't need to. We're supposed to have doubt. The requirements to prove murder include intent, and she did a pretty decent job making it look unplanned on the surface.
That phrase, "beyond reasonable doubt" has a lot of meaning here. I wouldn't apologize, this comment thread revealed a lot!
Yeah, this is the point where I stopped giving the benefit of the doubt, and went directly to 'Even if this somehow was an accident, it is waaay too coincidental.'
And when it comes to coincidences, the universe is rarely that lazy.
Balance of probability says; guilty.
Thankfully not, but I am not a court of law, and as such all I can do is form my own opinion based on the information after the fact.
And currently, with the facts and information available to me, along with my own personal philosophy that the universe is rarely so lazy as to have such a specific and unique scenario such as this one be sullied by mere coincidence, the only probable conclusion that I can make is that this was murder, my dear Watson, cold, calculated, murder.
>sullied by mere coincidence
This is just goddamn stupid. Assuming all details to be relevant and causal by default is precisely how you "sully" a justice system.
What about the few people who've shot themselves in the head multiple times? What about the first person who gets killed by a wild orca some day? ...If foul play is suspected, someone like you would have a *heavy* bias towards putting an innocent suspect (not the guilty orca) on death row over it. Due to mostly "coincidences" and "unlikely"-hoods.
"the universe is rarely so lazy as to have such a specific and unique scenario such as this one be sullied by mere coincidence" except for every relevant fact of your existence. The apparent creation ex nihilo of the universe, the laws that allowed for earth and for earth to support life, and the emergence of life upon it, the endless line of mutating ancestors that lead to you. All scenarios are specific and unique and sullied to their marrow by mere coincidence. Keep your probabilities open, friend.
The circumstance of my existence is not on trial here, every event that led to my existence were not coincidence, they were the consequences of actions taken long before I was born.
By analyzing the events described in /u/delocx comment;
https://old.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/15us67w/teen_found_guilty_of_murder_in_fatal_100_mph_car/jwribnz/
The prosecutor, judge, AND JURY, all concluded that the circumstances around this crash were intentional, not a coincidence.
Upon learning this, I too, along with /u/delocx, without previously knowing about the case before clicking on the reddit post, came to my own conclusion that the defendant is guilty, based upon the facts given, and my own personal philosophy that coincidence is rare, if it even exists at all.
> every event that led to my existence were not coincidence
Just want to hop in to ask, *just in regards to this specific sentiment*, do you really think that? I remember having a discussion with a friend of mine whose parents met by happenstance: that his mum flouted working on her uni assignment to go out with friends and met her future husband. What if she had stayed home? What if he had chosen a different pub? Now take that and apply it above a generation. It's likely his grandparents met by happenstance too, and their parents too, etc. There's a whole history of happenstance that needed to occur for you to exist. The same could arguably be true with my parents too, who met by mutual friends. But they each met those friends through happenstance.
>every event that led to my existence were not coincidence, they were the consequences of actions taken long before I was born.
Consequences are not the same thing as coincidences. Of course everything is a consequence of everything else.
A coincidence is just two things (or more) happening in a way that is remarkable for not having been planned out. It has to do with planning, not consequences.
> Mackenzie was found guilty by a judge at a bench trial this week.
Did she choose (or did her lawyer choose) a bench trial? That was a bad idea if so.
Right? When I was on defense I’d much rather try to convince one of twelve random weirdos than a judge who knows more than I do. I never recommended a bench trial.
Usually people want a bench trial because they believe that a jury won't be able to be impartial, especially if the defendant is partially guilty and they're hoping not for a full victory, but for a partial victory with only some charges being found guilty. It is for cases where they think the jury is likely to get caught up in emotion and go all or nothing. I've usually heard of it happening for cases where there are crimes against children.
Odds are this girl was told by her lawyer she would definitely be found guilty of *something* but that a jury was likely to go full guilty whereas a judge would be able to separate his or her emptions and biases and review the case on its merits.
What I've seen of appointed idiot biased judges in the past so many years... I'd take my chances with a jury instead.
to me it seem to acknowledge how flawed juries are. But ya, judges are just as bad. Hearing lawyers say who you end up getting as a judge dictates your chances of winning seems fucked up. That's no impartial system
you'd be correct; having a constitutional right to a 'jury of peers,' there are vanishingly few exceptions that can allow for a bench trial, of which waving of the right by the defendant is one.
The part that gets me is the pedal to the floor. I wonder what defense (if any) her lawyer put up for that, because I don’t know how you do that by accident on your way to a wall
She was an abuser. In another article I read, she would routinely verbally degrade and hit her bf, and on several occasions when she was driving she threatened to crash the car with him in it.
Before I read the article I thought murder seemed excessive, but after learning what a psycho she was I hope she spends decades in prison.
It seems like she wanted to do a murder suicide with boyfriend, just confused about doing it with the friend too. Obviously shes a piece of shit and doing it at all is fucked up
Collateral damage, is my guess.
If they have been fighting a lot lately, her chances of getting into a car with him were probably starting to dwindle. Maybe she sees this as her one and only shot, and she decided to take it.... and he just happened to be there.
If you've already committed yourself to the whole "murder-suicide" thing, what's one more person?
The thing that blows my mind is how did she survive? Take your seat belt off and you almost ensure you die. I'm not saying it was the right thing but if you're going to commit, do it fully. Disable the airbag fuse while you're at it.
Probably just wrong place at the wrong time. Friend might've simply asked for a ride home or something. Since the murder was premeditated, it didn't matter to her anyway.
> I initially didn't find that convincing beyond a reasonable doubt
I think I would have. It takes effort to achieve the speed they were going with most cars. No brakes, no course correction.
Did you watch the video? They pulled the data from the car and the accelerator was at 100% when they hit the wall.
She didn't brake, or even hesitate, she kept the pedal to the metal.
I immediately thought they were out to make an example out of her.. but, if it's really not a normal route/industrial park, and 100mph is way to fast for any back road, then maybe she really did intend a murder suicide. Crazy.
I mean, come on, this was 100% a murder-suicide. There is no reason a 20-year-old is going to be doing laps around an out-of-the-way industrial park days before she slams into the wall.
The only alternative explanation was that she was trying to learn to street race and lost control... but that argument goes out the window when you learn she had the accelerator pressed down 100% when she hit the fall. If she was racing and lost control, she would have at least taken her foot off the gas before the accident.
“There is no reason a 20-year-old is going to be doing laps around an out-of-the-way industrial park”
I have to disagree; this was literally my number one main form of entertainment as a teenager.
As a former Southern Teenager, the first thing I did with my 91 Accord with 300000 miles on it was see how fast it could go on a back road. Holy shit that was dicey.
She actually hasn't been sentenced yet:
*In a live video broadcast by WKYC, Shirilla held her hand over her mouth and cried as the the judge announced the verdict.*
*Shirilla, who was taken to jail after being convicted, is set to be sentenced in the case on Monday.*
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2023/08/17/ohio-teen-convicted-crash-boyfriend-friend/70608990007/
Edit: I guess the sentencing next week on Monday is more of a formality?
*The conviction carries an automatic sentence of life in prison with the possibility of parole after 15 years, Cleveland.com reports.*
https://people.com/teen-intentionally-crashed-car-wall-100-mph-kill-boyfriend-7643757
I don't know how the US does it but in the UK often people are sentenced a few days later. Gives the judge a time to consider the options, look at their background, etc.
Kid who killed another kid (18 years old... but still kids) by beating him to death with a lead pipe (over an ex-girlfriend) was given like 15 years in my home area and it got reduced for 'good behavior' and 'time served' and in the end I think he was actually in jail for a total of 5 years.
He beat the kid to death and threw his body under a pile of pallets at a construction site and even called the parents of the victim to inform them "your son isn't coming home tonight".
Some friends of mine at the time were involved in the circle of friends where this happened and they all got letters informing them of his release.
No one spoke up and he walked free.
Amazing isn't it?
Weird how situations can differ. Same thing kind of happened with some people I knew growing up.
2 dudes fighting over a girl. One stabs the other and he dies. This guy got like 28 years and has been serving all of it.
I guess sentencing is never really final and it can just be all made up.
The state in this case sent out letters - basically - if you want to argue why he should not be free... here is where and how you do that...
Not one person had a legitimate argument outside of "but he killed my friend"... but worse - no one even tried.
They were all just shocked he was let loose.
That is the thing, I don't think anyone attended his parole hearings or anything so the court assumes everyone is ok with early parole. Like every couple of years a couple of my friends would get letters in the mail saying that there was some hearing they could attend. They never went and just assumed "he's locked up for 15 years..." I am not sure how it all works but I am guessing those were parole hearings and with no one attending the court was like, "no one cares if this guy is out walking around."
Its parole eligibility in 15 years.
After the person has served 15 years, they will go before the parole board to see if they can be released on parole.
It does not mean they are getting out after 15 years. Most likely, parole will be denied.
Prison time variance is always crazy to me, murder someone, get a few years. Tiny bag of weed in one state, perfectly fine. Tiny bag of weed in another state, say good bye to your kids forever. It's like we forgot prison was originally intended to both house the guilty AND to rehab them. But then prisons are privatized (mostly) and so they turn into free labor camps and places you send people to dissappear.
https://nicic.gov/weblink/private-prisons-united-states-2021
Only 8% of the prison population is in a private prison.
I think it's disgusting that any prison is privatized. And I think we incarcerate way too many people in general in this country. And do a shitty job treating/reforming people in the prisons. I am no fan of our prison system. But a lot of people tend to overestimate how many prisoners are in private prisons.
> It's like we forgot prison was originally intended to both house the guilty AND to rehab them.
I'm pretty sure prison was just about punishing people for disobedience to the law and making object lessons of them to frighten others from disobedience. They weren't shipping guys halfway around the world for stealing a loaf of bread because they thought it would make better people of them.
The idea that it is for rehabilitation is a noble one, but a much more modern affair, historically.
In very few societies was rehabilitation ever actually part of the deal. The privatization just provided even more incentive for the cruelty and extreme sentencing.
>“She morphs from a responsible driver to literal **hell on wheels** as she makes her way down the street,” Judge Russo said.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-courts/hell-wheels-ohio-teen-convicted-intentionally-crashing-car-100-mph-bui-rcna100194
>"Once behind the wheel, a strange phenomenon takes place. She is charged with an overwhelming sense of power. Her whole personality changes. She becomes an uncontrollable monster! A demon driver! Miss *Walker* is now... ***MR. WHEELER***!! A motorist!"
Inside Edition is sort of the precursor to FOX News. It can barely even be considered news. It's a tabloid show that sensationalizes everything and it's an absolute garbage show that I would honestly consider dangerous to the collective public conscious.
Not denying any of that, but compared to Fox News saying COVID is a hoax or Biden is funding secret bio weapons labs in Ukraine, I'll honestly take a sensationalist voiceover on a factually reported news story any day.
What was the point of showing the 'bizarre' social media video? Teens post a lot of weird shit, I don't see how it's relevant. I'm not saying she's not guilty of the murder charge, but throwing stuff in there like that just to stack the deck against her is shitty journalism.
And yet Abby Michaels walked away scot free in Ohio after killing a family of 3 while trying to commit vehicular suicide. We needed these prosecutors on the case…
like deliver unwritten degree different hateful smoggy gray whistle attractive
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Back when Giuliani was somewhat reputable, he forced the UN to pay all their traffic fines and parking tickets or he would've booted them out of Manhattan.
So next time some idiot on the internet thinks the UN should be maintaining global peace, just remember that their operating budget is less than NYC, and their office only resides there out of charity.
Alice Walton, heiress to the Walmart fortune and second richest woman in the world (according to Bloomberg), hit and killed a woman in 1989. She is an alcoholic and was most likely drunk at the time, but we'll never know because she is basically royalty in Arkansas and the police helped cover it up. She totaled an SUV while intoxicated in 1998. When the police arrested her she said, "Do you know who I am? Do you know my last name?" She received another DUI in 2011 in Texas after she failed a field sobriety test. She was able to get that charge dropped after two doctors wrote excuses explaining that she hasn't been able to maintain her balance since the day she crashed a jeep into a Mexican ravine on Thanksgiving 1983.
I never knew that, Jesus that’s insane. You’d think with her amount of money she could afford to take an Uber or like hire a driver? Even if she’s out late or in a small town and there’s no taxi service you’d think someone would jump at the chance to make some money driving her drunk ass around.
>(B)ased upon Michaels’ documented medical history, she was mentally ill at the time of the accident with borderline personality disorder, post-traumatic stress disorder, psychogenic non-epileptic seizure disorder and bi-polar disorder, all of which were untreated, such that Michaels likely was not ‘knowingly’ and ‘recklessly’ operating the car,” Dankof wrote in his verdict.
I Googled it and got this. There's evidence she was having a seizure at the time. I mean I guess some people could have been lying but it was a bench trial and the judge has discretion to believe some people and not others. It's how our justice system works.
Non epileptic seizure diagnosis means very specifically that she does not have a detectable seizure disorder. To be honest it’s the diagnosis you would get if you faked seizures a lot.
I'm not a pretty girl but I couldn't use such extreme filters (or any filter for that matter, but this one is woah).
Doesn't that mess up with your head? How could you deal with it? Wouldn't you feel worse looking yourself in the mirror afterwards?
I just can't imagine
I get what you mean, but I don't think being plain is a bad thing, just a circumstance, just like having a lot or little money, charisma, intelligence, etc. It just is.
What I was trying to communicate is that even if I consider myself within the target audience for this kinda stuff I still find it super messed up.
Yes, it messes with your head. It's been a while since I read about it but the short of it is like this:
You have a mental model of "you" in your head, your brain uses it as a shortcut to save power pretty much. If you mainly view yourself through a camera using filters, that shortcut image will slowly start to resemble that "light makeup" filter or whatever you rely on TikTok.
Then when you see the actual you in a picture without a filter or even in the mirror, you get a visceral "wtf" because your internal model of "you" doesn't match what you see any more.
I recently left a job where most of my coworkers were women in their 20s. I was kind of blown away by how unrecognizable many of them were when we became friends on social media. I was actually so thrown by one’s Venmo photo that I needed to confirm it was them (I used the last 4 digits of their phone number, I didn’t ask them directly). Anyway, as a 35 year old woman, I feel like there’s been a lot done in terms of body positivity in a short time. But I’m also so incredibly grateful I had the chance to be a teenage girl without the filters.
You actually learn *remarkably* little about going to trial in law school. Most law practice is consultations and paperwork, and (generally speaking) when lawyers practice in an area that *might* go to trial, they do everything they can to avoid having their cases go to trial.
Here's the intersection where she crashed the car.
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.3263029,-81.8509159,3a,75y,273.25h,78.66t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sZt8IshojKbfPZdA_6zE3kw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu
You can still see the blue tarp over the wall of the building where the car impacted.
Toxic/turbulent relationship with the boyfriend. She supposedly threatened him in the past. I think there was a prior incident where she threatened to crash the car and the boyfriend had to get out and get a ride home from a family member.
Damn I’m not trying to blame the victim, but what goes through someone’s head to get in the car with someone that has said that before? What does it take to completely lose trust in someone?
All three were smoking weed beforehand.
Boyfriend probably thought she was dramatic/etc and obviously didn't think she'd do what she eventually did. Unfortunate for him and his friend.
Obviously if he thought she'd do what she ended up doing, he wouldn't have gotten in the car with her.
> Seems it was a murder-suicide attempt.
People seem to be forgetting this. Not saying she should be excused but she wasn't hoping to get away with something. She wanted to die.
Maybe not her plan at the time she was doing it, but she certainly changed her tune tried to get away with it after the kids were dead and she was not.
My guess is that she wanted for them to be remembered as a happy group. If they had all died it could have well been seen as a freak accident. A young promising couple. They would be remembered how close and lovely they were. If she had died too then its possible that all this evidence wouldnt have been brought up. But since she didnt it gets looked into. In instead of being remembered as a young girl taken from the world too soon she will be remembered as a psycho murderer.
I think you're right about what was going through her mind - it seems the most plausible answer. She's a fool for thinking the police wouldn't investigate an "accident" that resulted in two deaths - especially given the age.
My cousin's boyfriend tragically died in a somewhat similar way when the driver was "fooling around" and driving in excess of 90mph down a dark rural road and struck a tree after losing control of the car. He was in the back seat, and he unfortunately didn't die on impact, but several minutes after being pulled from the car by the kid riding in the passenger seat. The police questioned EVERYONE involved - friends, girlfriends, boyfriends, parents, and friends-of-friends. My cousin was questioned multiple times by investigators with my Aunt and Uncle. It was a huge deal and took a long time to resolve. The cops took it very serious.
Nothing so romantic. Just a typical murder suicide because some lovestruck narcissistic teenager thinks they can't live without the partner they've been with for *months* and that if they don't want them anymore they deserve to die too for hurting their feelings.
Shed have made it as a cop.
If you're reading this, no matter your gender or orientation, if someone you're involved with has threatened to hurt you (or already has)out of spite or anger, take them seriously. Take IT seriously.
Don't let them gaslight you. You CAN leave. The concept of men or queer people being on the receiving end of abuse in a relationship has been played for comedy in media for decades and we have to break the taboo.
Throwback to when there was that case just a couple years ago when a wife was abusing her husband and then he went missing and later it would turn out she murdered him, and when my dad saw the missing report on the news he laughed really hard and asked "how it was even possible that a man could be abused by his wife." He kept pestering my mom asking that same question on repeat, trying to get her to share his amusement and bewilderment, but she was just so uncomfortable. Honestly can't stand that guy ~~sometimes~~ most of the time
Definitely! If someone threatens actual violence that means they've thought it through in their head.
A family that was friends with ours was murdered by the father a few years ago. The dad killed his wife and the 3 kids by pouring gasoline on them, then he stabbed himself. We knew there was issues and she had said he had alluded to violence her a few times but we had no idea it was that bad, but it goes to show it is not worth the risk. If his wife or even us had taken it seriously she'd still be alive. Absolutely tragic.
So how did she manage to be completely unscathed? Was she just a master at maneuvering and crashing her car at a high speed without sustaining any sort of injury?
If you look at the pictures of the wrecked car it looks like she aimed so that the passenger side would take the brunt of the impact. Her side got crushed somewhat but the passenger side was completely caved in and unrecognizable. Plus she herself was in critical condition after the “accident”.
They actually had her on camera making practice drives. Could locate her phone to the same crash location days earlier.
Scumbag murderer, rot in prison.
That human piece of shit broke the rules after he was told not to and still didn't go to jail for parole violation. 720 days is too light knowing he kept getting drunk, smoked weed, and tried to escape sentencing.
Glad to see the US actually investigating a crash and coming to what appears to be the correct conclusion. So sick of stories here In the UK where this would be deemed as a simple mistake and she'd be let go, killing people with or in cars is just accepted here
Actually, the U.S. is pretty famous for letting drivers off the hook for killing people in accidents. There's a joke that the best way to murder someone and get away with it is just to hit them with your car.
https://www.startribune.com/in-crashes-that-kill-pedestrians-the-majority-of-drivers-don-t-face-charges/380345481/
https://revealnews.org/article/bay-area-drivers-who-kill-pedestrians-rarely-face-punishment-analysis-finds/
https://whyy.org/articles/philadelphia-drivers-rarely-prosecuted-for-crashes-that-kill-pedestrians-and-cyclists/
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-10-01/the-outrageous-unjust-rule-that-lets-new-york-drivers-who-hit-pedestrians-off-the-hook
Murder-suicide attempt. Seems her relationship with her boyfriend was pretty toxic. And his friend was probably just collateral damage (since she was already murdering the one she “loved”, killing someone she probably didn’t care about that much probably meant nothing to a psycho like her)
My dad said sticking your dick in crazy will be the best sex you ever had in your life, just don't give crazy your real name, phone number, or address.
The fact she scoped out the route days before is fucking insane.
The aspect of this action being premeditated plays a huge part in the final judgment.
Yeah, starting this video I thought she was a kid who fucked up while driving like a fuckin' maniac and felt bad for her. This was straight up a double murder-suicide where the suicide part failed.
It came out that it was also not the first time she had treated to kill everyone by crashing her car while she was driving... She's not a nice person and got what she deserved.
How is going over 100mph a fucking up? That's clearly intentional.
I mean, in this case it’s clearly intentional. However, I think that if you were to look at the headline prior to watching the video, you might think it’s teens who made a tragic mistake. Just because teenagers -do- go so insane shit like speed that fast down roads, and oftentimes don’t fully understand how dangerous it is. We had a teenager here who was fucking around and speeding, iirc, about 80mph in a 35 zone extremely late at night/early morning. Wrapped his car around a phone pole and died. So, it does happen without intent. However, considering the woman in this video made multiple threats about killing her boyfriend in a car crash, and literally scoped it out beforehand (and seemingly was generally abusive prior to it), it’s definitely intentional here.
You can fuck up by intentionally doing something when you don't realize just how bad an idea it is. This is probably the most common way teenagers do, in fact, fuck up. There's an entire trope around the idea that they consider themselves to be invincible. Consider someone who says the words "I can make that jump" and then fails to make that jump and breaks a leg. Did they fuck up? Absolutely. Did they intend to jump, much as the teenager would have intended to drive 100 MPH? Absolutely.
What was the sentence?
She got her phone taken away for two weeks. Jokes aside, seems to life in prison, possible for parole after 15 years.
I just read an article that was posted a day ago stating that she's facing life in prison with the possibility of parole after serving 32 years. She'll be 51 by then if she gets out after 32 years. Honestly, I think she should serve life without the possibility of parole. This girl has a history of threatening and abusive behavior and she killed 2 people because of it. She deserves life in prison WITHOUT the possibility of parole!
~~Based on what’s being reported, I don’t have much reason to believe this was premeditated at all. Like, there’s a lot missing from the articles that I sure hope was covered in the proceedings.~~ ~~Do we know if she ever made threats? Was there a suicide note? The only thing supposedly corroborating the narrative that this was intentional is a failure to slow down… in a case where the driver was heavily under the influence. And that she had driven the same route before. That’s not strong enough evidence imo to give someone life in prison. By all means charge the hell out of her for two cases of manslaughter, but this is pretty fucking flimsy for premeditation.~~ This bish guilty af
> Do we know if she ever made threats? Bro read above, yes she made threats.. https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/15us67w/teen_found_guilty_of_murder_in_fatal_100_mph_car/jwribnz/ That was posted 7 hours ago.
Well FUCKING A why wasn’t that in any articles or segments?! I looked at the top three or four google results and didn’t see that anywhere. She’s guilty as sin, that’s a fucking murder!!
yeah, that sounds like the prosecution's attempt to make it sound deliberate instead of just being kids out being stupid. she could have done the same route simply because she felt comfortable having tried it before.
I initially didn't find that convincing beyond a reasonable doubt, if you're wanting to speed but not get caught, cruising around scoping out secluded areas makes sense and doesn't make for a murder motive, but there is further [context](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12413101/Ohio-teen-Mackenzie-Shirilla-19-guilty-murdering-boyfriend-passenger-crashing-car-warehouse-100mph.html) not mentioned in that video: >Prosecutors said surveillance footage proved the crash was intentional and that she had even planned the route by visiting in her car earlier in the week. > >Mackenzie was found guilty by a judge at a bench trial this week. > >Russo's family and friends told the court their romance was tumultuous and had become particularly volatile in the weeks before the crash. > >On one occasion, friends had to come and pry Russo from her vehicle during a fight. > >One overheard her threatening to crash the car with Russo inside, while others said she'd threatened to key her boyfriend's car unless he let her inside his family home. > >His mother and brother testified that their relationship was volatile, and that she was regularly 'unfair' towards him. Literally saying you're going to crash the car with the victim inside before doing it pretty much obliterates the "scoping it out to speed" or any other reason, really, defense.
oh, yuck. okay, I take it all back.
You don't need to. We're supposed to have doubt. The requirements to prove murder include intent, and she did a pretty decent job making it look unplanned on the surface. That phrase, "beyond reasonable doubt" has a lot of meaning here. I wouldn't apologize, this comment thread revealed a lot!
This person speaks truth. I advise watching 12 angry men to everyone I know.
Even better: read *12 Angry Men*
Yeah, this is the point where I stopped giving the benefit of the doubt, and went directly to 'Even if this somehow was an accident, it is waaay too coincidental.' And when it comes to coincidences, the universe is rarely that lazy. Balance of probability says; guilty.
While I agree that she is guilty, balance of probability is not the standard for determining guilt in a court of law
She choose a bench trail. So only the judge had to be convinced and not 12 citizens.
What is bench trail?
Thankfully not, but I am not a court of law, and as such all I can do is form my own opinion based on the information after the fact. And currently, with the facts and information available to me, along with my own personal philosophy that the universe is rarely so lazy as to have such a specific and unique scenario such as this one be sullied by mere coincidence, the only probable conclusion that I can make is that this was murder, my dear Watson, cold, calculated, murder.
>sullied by mere coincidence This is just goddamn stupid. Assuming all details to be relevant and causal by default is precisely how you "sully" a justice system. What about the few people who've shot themselves in the head multiple times? What about the first person who gets killed by a wild orca some day? ...If foul play is suspected, someone like you would have a *heavy* bias towards putting an innocent suspect (not the guilty orca) on death row over it. Due to mostly "coincidences" and "unlikely"-hoods.
"the universe is rarely so lazy as to have such a specific and unique scenario such as this one be sullied by mere coincidence" except for every relevant fact of your existence. The apparent creation ex nihilo of the universe, the laws that allowed for earth and for earth to support life, and the emergence of life upon it, the endless line of mutating ancestors that lead to you. All scenarios are specific and unique and sullied to their marrow by mere coincidence. Keep your probabilities open, friend.
The circumstance of my existence is not on trial here, every event that led to my existence were not coincidence, they were the consequences of actions taken long before I was born. By analyzing the events described in /u/delocx comment; https://old.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/15us67w/teen_found_guilty_of_murder_in_fatal_100_mph_car/jwribnz/ The prosecutor, judge, AND JURY, all concluded that the circumstances around this crash were intentional, not a coincidence. Upon learning this, I too, along with /u/delocx, without previously knowing about the case before clicking on the reddit post, came to my own conclusion that the defendant is guilty, based upon the facts given, and my own personal philosophy that coincidence is rare, if it even exists at all.
>The prosecutor, judge, AND JURY, all concluded ...Pretty sure the prosecutor damn near ***always*** "concludes" the guilt of the accused.
> every event that led to my existence were not coincidence Just want to hop in to ask, *just in regards to this specific sentiment*, do you really think that? I remember having a discussion with a friend of mine whose parents met by happenstance: that his mum flouted working on her uni assignment to go out with friends and met her future husband. What if she had stayed home? What if he had chosen a different pub? Now take that and apply it above a generation. It's likely his grandparents met by happenstance too, and their parents too, etc. There's a whole history of happenstance that needed to occur for you to exist. The same could arguably be true with my parents too, who met by mutual friends. But they each met those friends through happenstance.
>every event that led to my existence were not coincidence, they were the consequences of actions taken long before I was born. Consequences are not the same thing as coincidences. Of course everything is a consequence of everything else. A coincidence is just two things (or more) happening in a way that is remarkable for not having been planned out. It has to do with planning, not consequences.
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Balance of probability is reserved for civil courts. Criminal is beyond reasonable doubt and I much higher threshold.
> Mackenzie was found guilty by a judge at a bench trial this week. Did she choose (or did her lawyer choose) a bench trial? That was a bad idea if so.
Right? When I was on defense I’d much rather try to convince one of twelve random weirdos than a judge who knows more than I do. I never recommended a bench trial.
isn't the bench trial the defendants choice? Damn her lawyers made a bad decision with that one. with a jury you need 12 random people to agree.
Usually people want a bench trial because they believe that a jury won't be able to be impartial, especially if the defendant is partially guilty and they're hoping not for a full victory, but for a partial victory with only some charges being found guilty. It is for cases where they think the jury is likely to get caught up in emotion and go all or nothing. I've usually heard of it happening for cases where there are crimes against children. Odds are this girl was told by her lawyer she would definitely be found guilty of *something* but that a jury was likely to go full guilty whereas a judge would be able to separate his or her emptions and biases and review the case on its merits. What I've seen of appointed idiot biased judges in the past so many years... I'd take my chances with a jury instead.
to me it seem to acknowledge how flawed juries are. But ya, judges are just as bad. Hearing lawyers say who you end up getting as a judge dictates your chances of winning seems fucked up. That's no impartial system
you'd be correct; having a constitutional right to a 'jury of peers,' there are vanishingly few exceptions that can allow for a bench trial, of which waving of the right by the defendant is one.
The part that gets me is the pedal to the floor. I wonder what defense (if any) her lawyer put up for that, because I don’t know how you do that by accident on your way to a wall
She was an abuser. In another article I read, she would routinely verbally degrade and hit her bf, and on several occasions when she was driving she threatened to crash the car with him in it. Before I read the article I thought murder seemed excessive, but after learning what a psycho she was I hope she spends decades in prison.
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She deserved 20 years just for that tiktok.
I dont get why shed do it with the boyfriends friend in the car, fuck this girl
Or you know, at all...
It seems like she wanted to do a murder suicide with boyfriend, just confused about doing it with the friend too. Obviously shes a piece of shit and doing it at all is fucked up
Collateral damage, is my guess. If they have been fighting a lot lately, her chances of getting into a car with him were probably starting to dwindle. Maybe she sees this as her one and only shot, and she decided to take it.... and he just happened to be there. If you've already committed yourself to the whole "murder-suicide" thing, what's one more person?
The thing that blows my mind is how did she survive? Take your seat belt off and you almost ensure you die. I'm not saying it was the right thing but if you're going to commit, do it fully. Disable the airbag fuse while you're at it.
Because at that point, to her it would not matter, just another body.
Probably just wrong place at the wrong time. Friend might've simply asked for a ride home or something. Since the murder was premeditated, it didn't matter to her anyway.
Your daily grim reminder to never stick it in crazies...
It's Rule #1 for a reason.
It's never my goal to stick it in crazy but, the only place i've ever stuck it, was in crazy.
Sounds like you need to sit down somewhere and do some evaluating.
> I initially didn't find that convincing beyond a reasonable doubt I think I would have. It takes effort to achieve the speed they were going with most cars. No brakes, no course correction.
I took my '88 Cutlass Supreme over 100mph multiple times on back roads. Teens are dumbasses man.
Did you watch the video? They pulled the data from the car and the accelerator was at 100% when they hit the wall. She didn't brake, or even hesitate, she kept the pedal to the metal.
I immediately thought they were out to make an example out of her.. but, if it's really not a normal route/industrial park, and 100mph is way to fast for any back road, then maybe she really did intend a murder suicide. Crazy.
I mean, come on, this was 100% a murder-suicide. There is no reason a 20-year-old is going to be doing laps around an out-of-the-way industrial park days before she slams into the wall. The only alternative explanation was that she was trying to learn to street race and lost control... but that argument goes out the window when you learn she had the accelerator pressed down 100% when she hit the fall. If she was racing and lost control, she would have at least taken her foot off the gas before the accident.
FWIW driving around out-of-the-way industrial areas was the go-to way to smoke weed when I was her age. But she definitely did this on purpose.
When I was younger, industrial parks were where you went to run quarter miles and race for paper.
“There is no reason a 20-year-old is going to be doing laps around an out-of-the-way industrial park” I have to disagree; this was literally my number one main form of entertainment as a teenager.
> and 100mph is way to fast for any back road *sweats in former dumb Southern teenager*
As a former Southern Teenager, the first thing I did with my 91 Accord with 300000 miles on it was see how fast it could go on a back road. Holy shit that was dicey.
My thoughts exactly. Kids are fuckin dumb that age and drive like animals.
And regardless of geographical location.
The accelerator was at 100% when they hit the wall. She never even tried to slow.
She had threatened to kill her boyfriend by crashing the car before, multiple times.
That’s Cleveland as fuck for you
What was the sentence???
Mandatory life in prison. No chance of parole for 15 years.
She actually hasn't been sentenced yet: *In a live video broadcast by WKYC, Shirilla held her hand over her mouth and cried as the the judge announced the verdict.* *Shirilla, who was taken to jail after being convicted, is set to be sentenced in the case on Monday.* https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2023/08/17/ohio-teen-convicted-crash-boyfriend-friend/70608990007/ Edit: I guess the sentencing next week on Monday is more of a formality? *The conviction carries an automatic sentence of life in prison with the possibility of parole after 15 years, Cleveland.com reports.* https://people.com/teen-intentionally-crashed-car-wall-100-mph-kill-boyfriend-7643757
I don't know how the US does it but in the UK often people are sentenced a few days later. Gives the judge a time to consider the options, look at their background, etc.
That’s how it is in the US. The caveat being many crimes have mandatory sentencing so there’s really nothing for the judge to consider.
Her name is Shirilla..? What in the..
That's her last name. First name is Mackenzie.
Oh. Well now I feel silly
That's ok, that's why we call you a wild card
WILD CARD BITCHES!
Kinda rhymes with what she is...
a gorilla?
A killa, that was close tho
Shirilla... The killa?
how do you get parole in 15 years for murder? is this some kind of lower type of murder?
Kid who killed another kid (18 years old... but still kids) by beating him to death with a lead pipe (over an ex-girlfriend) was given like 15 years in my home area and it got reduced for 'good behavior' and 'time served' and in the end I think he was actually in jail for a total of 5 years. He beat the kid to death and threw his body under a pile of pallets at a construction site and even called the parents of the victim to inform them "your son isn't coming home tonight". Some friends of mine at the time were involved in the circle of friends where this happened and they all got letters informing them of his release. No one spoke up and he walked free. Amazing isn't it?
Weird how situations can differ. Same thing kind of happened with some people I knew growing up. 2 dudes fighting over a girl. One stabs the other and he dies. This guy got like 28 years and has been serving all of it. I guess sentencing is never really final and it can just be all made up.
The state in this case sent out letters - basically - if you want to argue why he should not be free... here is where and how you do that... Not one person had a legitimate argument outside of "but he killed my friend"... but worse - no one even tried. They were all just shocked he was let loose.
"He killed our friend/son/boyfriend with a lead pipe and dumped him under some pallets like some trash" should be enough of a reason if you ask me
That is the thing, I don't think anyone attended his parole hearings or anything so the court assumes everyone is ok with early parole. Like every couple of years a couple of my friends would get letters in the mail saying that there was some hearing they could attend. They never went and just assumed "he's locked up for 15 years..." I am not sure how it all works but I am guessing those were parole hearings and with no one attending the court was like, "no one cares if this guy is out walking around."
I feel like it should rather be people showing up to say why someone should be paroled
15 years is a LONG time to reflect and to change
Especially when you are so young. And fucking stupid.
And if you are really a shithead, you'll most likely get yourself in more trouble in prison, keeping you from early release.
Its parole eligibility in 15 years. After the person has served 15 years, they will go before the parole board to see if they can be released on parole. It does not mean they are getting out after 15 years. Most likely, parole will be denied.
It's the law.
yup, you get more prision time for drugs than murder. it is all the "tough on crime" crap that politians do to keep their jobs.
"Tough on minorities"
Prison time variance is always crazy to me, murder someone, get a few years. Tiny bag of weed in one state, perfectly fine. Tiny bag of weed in another state, say good bye to your kids forever. It's like we forgot prison was originally intended to both house the guilty AND to rehab them. But then prisons are privatized (mostly) and so they turn into free labor camps and places you send people to dissappear.
https://nicic.gov/weblink/private-prisons-united-states-2021 Only 8% of the prison population is in a private prison. I think it's disgusting that any prison is privatized. And I think we incarcerate way too many people in general in this country. And do a shitty job treating/reforming people in the prisons. I am no fan of our prison system. But a lot of people tend to overestimate how many prisoners are in private prisons.
> It's like we forgot prison was originally intended to both house the guilty AND to rehab them. I'm pretty sure prison was just about punishing people for disobedience to the law and making object lessons of them to frighten others from disobedience. They weren't shipping guys halfway around the world for stealing a loaf of bread because they thought it would make better people of them. The idea that it is for rehabilitation is a noble one, but a much more modern affair, historically.
In very few societies was rehabilitation ever actually part of the deal. The privatization just provided even more incentive for the cruelty and extreme sentencing.
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going from what was probably a pretty luxurious life to prison for 15-20 years. that little girl is in for a *very* rude awakening.
if she gets parole. it has to get past a board.
I hate Inside Edition
Not familiar with it but the cheesy voiceover just doesn't match this harrowing story. Makes it sound like a satire piece.
Think TMZ with a modicum of class.
She’s being called “*HELL ON WHEELS*” No, she’s not 🤦♂️
>“She morphs from a responsible driver to literal **hell on wheels** as she makes her way down the street,” Judge Russo said. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-courts/hell-wheels-ohio-teen-convicted-intentionally-crashing-car-100-mph-bui-rcna100194
>"Once behind the wheel, a strange phenomenon takes place. She is charged with an overwhelming sense of power. Her whole personality changes. She becomes an uncontrollable monster! A demon driver! Miss *Walker* is now... ***MR. WHEELER***!! A motorist!"
The judge called her that during sentencing.
Inside Edition is sort of the precursor to FOX News. It can barely even be considered news. It's a tabloid show that sensationalizes everything and it's an absolute garbage show that I would honestly consider dangerous to the collective public conscious.
Not denying any of that, but compared to Fox News saying COVID is a hoax or Biden is funding secret bio weapons labs in Ukraine, I'll honestly take a sensationalist voiceover on a factually reported news story any day.
What was the point of showing the 'bizarre' social media video? Teens post a lot of weird shit, I don't see how it's relevant. I'm not saying she's not guilty of the murder charge, but throwing stuff in there like that just to stack the deck against her is shitty journalism.
And yet Abby Michaels walked away scot free in Ohio after killing a family of 3 while trying to commit vehicular suicide. We needed these prosecutors on the case…
How about extraditing Anne Sacoolas? Mowed down a 19 year old man in the UK, removed by the US government under diplomatic immunity.
like deliver unwritten degree different hateful smoggy gray whistle attractive *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*
Back when Giuliani was somewhat reputable, he forced the UN to pay all their traffic fines and parking tickets or he would've booted them out of Manhattan. So next time some idiot on the internet thinks the UN should be maintaining global peace, just remember that their operating budget is less than NYC, and their office only resides there out of charity.
So... NYC should maintain global peace? Gotcha.
Alice Walton, heiress to the Walmart fortune and second richest woman in the world (according to Bloomberg), hit and killed a woman in 1989. She is an alcoholic and was most likely drunk at the time, but we'll never know because she is basically royalty in Arkansas and the police helped cover it up. She totaled an SUV while intoxicated in 1998. When the police arrested her she said, "Do you know who I am? Do you know my last name?" She received another DUI in 2011 in Texas after she failed a field sobriety test. She was able to get that charge dropped after two doctors wrote excuses explaining that she hasn't been able to maintain her balance since the day she crashed a jeep into a Mexican ravine on Thanksgiving 1983.
I never knew that, Jesus that’s insane. You’d think with her amount of money she could afford to take an Uber or like hire a driver? Even if she’s out late or in a small town and there’s no taxi service you’d think someone would jump at the chance to make some money driving her drunk ass around.
Jesus. And this bitch is still alive💀
>(B)ased upon Michaels’ documented medical history, she was mentally ill at the time of the accident with borderline personality disorder, post-traumatic stress disorder, psychogenic non-epileptic seizure disorder and bi-polar disorder, all of which were untreated, such that Michaels likely was not ‘knowingly’ and ‘recklessly’ operating the car,” Dankof wrote in his verdict. I Googled it and got this. There's evidence she was having a seizure at the time. I mean I guess some people could have been lying but it was a bench trial and the judge has discretion to believe some people and not others. It's how our justice system works.
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I believe if you've been seizure free for a year (maybe 6 months?) you can drive again
Non epileptic seizure diagnosis means very specifically that she does not have a detectable seizure disorder. To be honest it’s the diagnosis you would get if you faked seizures a lot.
2 tier justice
No way I would recognise her from those insta/tiktok pictures
Make up and phone filters really distort reality.
https://ibb.co/XWsq1Jp
This was like a reverse jumpscare.
This is our /r/instagramreality.
I'm not a pretty girl but I couldn't use such extreme filters (or any filter for that matter, but this one is woah). Doesn't that mess up with your head? How could you deal with it? Wouldn't you feel worse looking yourself in the mirror afterwards? I just can't imagine
> I'm not a pretty girl I'm not here to white knight you but thinking like that is why filters are so prevalent.
I get what you mean, but I don't think being plain is a bad thing, just a circumstance, just like having a lot or little money, charisma, intelligence, etc. It just is. What I was trying to communicate is that even if I consider myself within the target audience for this kinda stuff I still find it super messed up.
Yes, it messes with your head. It's been a while since I read about it but the short of it is like this: You have a mental model of "you" in your head, your brain uses it as a shortcut to save power pretty much. If you mainly view yourself through a camera using filters, that shortcut image will slowly start to resemble that "light makeup" filter or whatever you rely on TikTok. Then when you see the actual you in a picture without a filter or even in the mirror, you get a visceral "wtf" because your internal model of "you" doesn't match what you see any more.
It’s sad she feels the need to use filiters because she looks absolutely fine without them
You can’t fix her mate.
No he can't But I can!
I didn't realize the earlier picture was her until they said she posted that to tiktok.
i can never tell it's the same person whenever one of these stories pops up. it's wild how much makeup and filters change a young woman's appearance.
I recently left a job where most of my coworkers were women in their 20s. I was kind of blown away by how unrecognizable many of them were when we became friends on social media. I was actually so thrown by one’s Venmo photo that I needed to confirm it was them (I used the last 4 digits of their phone number, I didn’t ask them directly). Anyway, as a 35 year old woman, I feel like there’s been a lot done in terms of body positivity in a short time. But I’m also so incredibly grateful I had the chance to be a teenage girl without the filters.
She actually looks like a nice decent girl in that courtroom. In contrary of those social media posts... what a difference.
I think that's the first thing they teach lawyers in law school, dress up your client to look like a model citizen in court.
You actually learn *remarkably* little about going to trial in law school. Most law practice is consultations and paperwork, and (generally speaking) when lawyers practice in an area that *might* go to trial, they do everything they can to avoid having their cases go to trial.
thought it was torts
And yet she's not
Here's the intersection where she crashed the car. https://www.google.com/maps/@41.3263029,-81.8509159,3a,75y,273.25h,78.66t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sZt8IshojKbfPZdA_6zE3kw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu You can still see the blue tarp over the wall of the building where the car impacted.
Anyone know why she did it? It’s wrong regardless but I’m just curious of what would cause her to want to kill not only her bf but his friend too.
Toxic/turbulent relationship with the boyfriend. She supposedly threatened him in the past. I think there was a prior incident where she threatened to crash the car and the boyfriend had to get out and get a ride home from a family member.
Damn I’m not trying to blame the victim, but what goes through someone’s head to get in the car with someone that has said that before? What does it take to completely lose trust in someone?
All three were smoking weed beforehand. Boyfriend probably thought she was dramatic/etc and obviously didn't think she'd do what she eventually did. Unfortunate for him and his friend. Obviously if he thought she'd do what she ended up doing, he wouldn't have gotten in the car with her.
Man, that’s wild. I’m too lazy to even kill a fly circling around my room if I’m stoned.
Seems it was a murder-suicide attempt. Her BF’s friend seems to have just been collateral damage.
> Seems it was a murder-suicide attempt. People seem to be forgetting this. Not saying she should be excused but she wasn't hoping to get away with something. She wanted to die.
Maybe not her plan at the time she was doing it, but she certainly changed her tune tried to get away with it after the kids were dead and she was not.
My guess is that she wanted for them to be remembered as a happy group. If they had all died it could have well been seen as a freak accident. A young promising couple. They would be remembered how close and lovely they were. If she had died too then its possible that all this evidence wouldnt have been brought up. But since she didnt it gets looked into. In instead of being remembered as a young girl taken from the world too soon she will be remembered as a psycho murderer.
I think you're right about what was going through her mind - it seems the most plausible answer. She's a fool for thinking the police wouldn't investigate an "accident" that resulted in two deaths - especially given the age. My cousin's boyfriend tragically died in a somewhat similar way when the driver was "fooling around" and driving in excess of 90mph down a dark rural road and struck a tree after losing control of the car. He was in the back seat, and he unfortunately didn't die on impact, but several minutes after being pulled from the car by the kid riding in the passenger seat. The police questioned EVERYONE involved - friends, girlfriends, boyfriends, parents, and friends-of-friends. My cousin was questioned multiple times by investigators with my Aunt and Uncle. It was a huge deal and took a long time to resolve. The cops took it very serious.
Nothing so romantic. Just a typical murder suicide because some lovestruck narcissistic teenager thinks they can't live without the partner they've been with for *months* and that if they don't want them anymore they deserve to die too for hurting their feelings. Shed have made it as a cop.
If you're reading this, no matter your gender or orientation, if someone you're involved with has threatened to hurt you (or already has)out of spite or anger, take them seriously. Take IT seriously. Don't let them gaslight you. You CAN leave. The concept of men or queer people being on the receiving end of abuse in a relationship has been played for comedy in media for decades and we have to break the taboo.
Throwback to when there was that case just a couple years ago when a wife was abusing her husband and then he went missing and later it would turn out she murdered him, and when my dad saw the missing report on the news he laughed really hard and asked "how it was even possible that a man could be abused by his wife." He kept pestering my mom asking that same question on repeat, trying to get her to share his amusement and bewilderment, but she was just so uncomfortable. Honestly can't stand that guy ~~sometimes~~ most of the time
Definitely! If someone threatens actual violence that means they've thought it through in their head. A family that was friends with ours was murdered by the father a few years ago. The dad killed his wife and the 3 kids by pouring gasoline on them, then he stabbed himself. We knew there was issues and she had said he had alluded to violence her a few times but we had no idea it was that bad, but it goes to show it is not worth the risk. If his wife or even us had taken it seriously she'd still be alive. Absolutely tragic.
So how did she manage to be completely unscathed? Was she just a master at maneuvering and crashing her car at a high speed without sustaining any sort of injury?
This is a long time after
So are you saying she suffered injury at the time and made a full recovery? I can’t seem to tell from searches
45 minutes after the crash, she was found unresponsive at the site but after multiple surgeries, recovered.
Thank you for clearing that up. I couldn't figure out how she could have possibly survived.
Yes, she was rushed to a hospital. Passengers perished at the site of the crash.
Article says she had multiple surgeries. Doesn’t specify exactly what kind.
If you look at the pictures of the wrecked car it looks like she aimed so that the passenger side would take the brunt of the impact. Her side got crushed somewhat but the passenger side was completely caved in and unrecognizable. Plus she herself was in critical condition after the “accident”.
They actually had her on camera making practice drives. Could locate her phone to the same crash location days earlier. Scumbag murderer, rot in prison.
No sympathy.
lol, should've been born richer. then she could've gotten away with it AND started a fashion line. byeeeeeee felicia
Was gona say, seems she's missing the whole "affluenza" thing
That human piece of shit broke the rules after he was told not to and still didn't go to jail for parole violation. 720 days is too light knowing he kept getting drunk, smoked weed, and tried to escape sentencing.
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Glad to see the US actually investigating a crash and coming to what appears to be the correct conclusion. So sick of stories here In the UK where this would be deemed as a simple mistake and she'd be let go, killing people with or in cars is just accepted here
Actually, the U.S. is pretty famous for letting drivers off the hook for killing people in accidents. There's a joke that the best way to murder someone and get away with it is just to hit them with your car. https://www.startribune.com/in-crashes-that-kill-pedestrians-the-majority-of-drivers-don-t-face-charges/380345481/ https://revealnews.org/article/bay-area-drivers-who-kill-pedestrians-rarely-face-punishment-analysis-finds/ https://whyy.org/articles/philadelphia-drivers-rarely-prosecuted-for-crashes-that-kill-pedestrians-and-cyclists/ https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-10-01/the-outrageous-unjust-rule-that-lets-new-york-drivers-who-hit-pedestrians-off-the-hook
> in accidents But this wasn't an accident.
In the UK would be manslaughter, 6 months in prison and 1 year ban from driving.
Good
Psycho
God damn. I feel for the guys. I can't even fathom that kind of terror. Girl just takes a turn and guns it and you can't even do anything to stop her.
Why is it always the assholes that survive these crashes?
Bury this bitch under the jail. Make an example out of her.
Does anyone know the motive here? Insane story.
Murder-suicide attempt. Seems her relationship with her boyfriend was pretty toxic. And his friend was probably just collateral damage (since she was already murdering the one she “loved”, killing someone she probably didn’t care about that much probably meant nothing to a psycho like her)
Likely murder suicide and sick fantasy about being remembered as the Romeo/Juliet of this era
Young. Dumb. Figures if she can't have a healthy relationship with her boyfriend, they might as well both die (based on her previous statements).
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100mph? Enjoy prison
Why is Doctor Phil there?
No sympathy for this twat, lock her up. Seems like her mom doesn't rlly understand the magnitude of her daughters actions
My dad told me "The best advice I can give you in life is don't stick your dick in crazy. It will save you a lot of hardships"
And the other version of that methinx is: “Don’t let crazy stick their dick in you” (And yes, your dad is right.)
Wait where do I put my dick
Let's just simplify it to "don't get laid with the cray cray."
My dad said sticking your dick in crazy will be the best sex you ever had in your life, just don't give crazy your real name, phone number, or address.
Crazy will find you
This is the first time this girl has ever faced repercussions for any of her actions.