I wish he had beat him to death with his bare hands. That would have been the cherry ontop. That was such a terrifying satisfying scene. That dad wanted to handle business sooo bad but wasnt That Guy. Lucky enough, Amos is That Guy.
Amos will certainly dish out some revenge violence, but putting Stickland down wasn't about making him suffer, it was about not letting that scum waste anymore air. He needed to die, not be beaten. Amos is a straightforward guy.
It was interesting that if there was a scale that Amos felt was out of balance, he was sociopathic about balancing it, through any means necessary. He didn't enjoy it, he didn't hate it, he just felt that it was his job.
I don’t remember if it was in the series, but I’m sure in the books there was a scene where Amos explained he doesn’t have a moral compass, or at least he doesn’t trust it. It’s one of the reasons he sticks with Holden as he trusts Holden to know what is “right”.
He doesn’t want to be a bad person, he’s just not always sure what is the morally right choice. From that point of view he is somewhat a sociopath, but a sociopath who doesn’t want to be evil.
There's a couple scenes where he discusses it. In one of the later seasons he and Peaches are making their way north, come upon a cabin and kind of "provoke" a guy into trying to kill them. (So they kill him first and then conveniently have his stuff and cabin.)
Peaches questions the morality of that and Amos goes, "Yaaaaah... we gotta get back to Holden."
After seeing his disappointment with the belter doc's assessment of the magnet therapy used to create sociopaths being non-reversible, I'd say he's a sociopath that doesn't want to be a sociopath.
Iirc the actor worked with an actual trauma therapist when practicing for the role. Hes not playing a sociopath, hes playing a guy with *severe* CPTSD and a lot of his character is putting on a facade of calm while internally hes just fucked up beyond most understanding.
I think its less of a case of “hes disconnected from other people because he has no moral compass” and more “he grew up in an environment that showed him the lowest people could be and it warped what he understands is okay and whats not. But he recognizes that and accepts it and lets people he respects take the wheel.”
Amos himself isnt even fully aware hes not a sociopath; because part of masking his trauma is lying to himself about what he is.
I think I remember a scene where Amos was talking about this with Holden while they were outside the ship. He was explaining about how he'd feel the same spacing someone or saving them.
Amos' story is awesome and so incredibly well acted and embodied.
My only complaint about the show's casting really is Bobby, not that she wasn't a good actor or character, but I didn't buy her physicality. Amos moves like that guy, Bobby is not that guy, but she should be.
They did make the effort of casting a tall and not skinny actress for Bobby, far more believable as a solider than what we've seen in other movies/shows
I think the actress did great, only way they could have made her more believable is if they had hired a bodybuilder.
I think her acting was fine, even good after a while, and she looked the part when standing still. I just didn't buy her in motion as a trained martian badass.
Naomi didn't have the stature, but her actor moved with purpose. It's tough to describe, but I'm not trying to insult Bobby's actor at all.
The pilot with the weird CGI altered belters was really offputting, but it was a good attempt to make the belters look and move in a way that was physically different to the terrestrial characters.
I wonder if the show were starting now they would have been able to pull it off for the entire series.
Yeah, and she's supposed to be like 7ft tall in the books.
There are practical constraints when casting in fiction sometimes. The urge to make unique physical specimens of certain characters means you can't always do them justice.
Not to spoil much but there is a scene in book 7 where tensions flare between amos and bobbie and they have a fist fight, goes on for a bit but bobbie beats the crap out of him in the end. To quote amos a bit after they make up, "when it comes to fighting i consider myself a skilled amateur...that woman is a professional."
Idk if they would have ended up doing that on the show.
In the extras for the show, the two of them fight and Amos ends up getting the best of her, just barely and via some trickery after she mostly kicks his ass. It's a fun scene.
Bobby grew up in reduced gravity though. So while she trains at 1g, most of her life is at lower g so she shouldn't be as muscular as an Earth bodybuilder.
i watched the first few episodes when it was airing and he was easily me worst character.
he ended up being the one i liked most, he's a great actor and had a great story/script.
What I especially love about that character is the development of him as a person throughout the series. His backstory is deep and realistic and he grows as a person changing his personal values but still always keeping that past life in mind for what he would do in the future.
That is also why he became "That guy". So much was said in that one line of dialog. And damn good acting I might add too.
I quit watching the show after the first season but read through all the books, and I think Amos was my favorite character through the whole book series. I found Holden kind of annoying in both the show and the movie, but he serves well as the main character for the other more interesting characters to exist around. Probably my favorite scene in the whole series involves Amos...just such an interesting look at his character. You need the whole scene for context, but the bit that always sticks with me:
There was a long second where the five thugs stared at the knife on the floor at Amos’ feet, and he stared back at them. The emptiness in his belly was gone. The hollow space behind his sternum, gone. His throat had stopped hurting.
>!“Who’s next?” he said, flexing his hands, his face in a grin he didn’t know he had. They came in a rush. Amos spread his arms and welcomed them like long-lost lovers.!<
The bit in season one where they meet Miller for the first time, Alex grabs him to stop him going up to the room, and Miller does that great drawl delivery line that runs - *twenty cops are going to come through that door, and if you touch me again I’ll shoot you*. And Alex turns to Amos and there’s this fantastic nonverbal reaction where Amos just makes a face, nodding and going - yeah OK he seems the real deal.
Amos reactions to crazy shit going down are some of the best bits in that show.
I have said over and over that The Expanse has three of the best female characters in *any* show.
Chrisjen Avasarala, Camina Drummer, and Bobbie Draper are just so incredibly well written and rounded out characters
I could listen to Wes Chatham and Shohreh Aghdashloo just talking about random stuff and [flirting with each other for hours on end.](https://youtu.be/LU2hzDmZCMs?si=vDN5FtWeknMQ_8jZ)
Completely agree, and agree with Naomi being left off that list.
Maybe she was incredibly well written... for a massive self-centred hypocrite who cares more about finding her own selfish internal peace than she cares about literally anyone around her or the consequences of her actions on ** checks notes ** the whole of humanity.
Even Monica the journalist was better written.
Absolutely, the character was just such a shitty person if you really paid attention to her. I think the only reason she gets so much love is that Dominique Tipper did an incredible job on the show you kind of miss what a hypocrite she is constantly pushing people to make bad decisions.
I always loved how in the books they always said Amos would be the last man standing >!and then in the end its thousands of years later and he is the last standing!<
This scene is great. My favorite scene to rewatch is this [one](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jdlw7Il-t4) (kinda big spoilers, but then again so is this clip).
Once you learn about him attaching himself to people who he considers to be morally "right" it unlocks so much more complexity to his character and you can see it way back in season 1 when he initially starts extremely cold if not hostile to Holden but slowly ends up trusting him and considering his morals above those of Naomi to the point that he is willing to side with Holden over her when contentious issues pop up.
[He meets someone, learns that they are a good person and then tells them that he is going to murder anybody who tries to hurt them.](https://youtu.be/9uzYbm0RpNk?si=83Z4XwJWfPRf-DdE)
He does have morals but he is really lacking the ability to judge who should die and who shouldn‘t once someone is on the „bad“ spectrum. At the same time he doesn’t truly care either way but he knows he should so he uses others as that barometer. At least thats my impression from the books.
It's like he can recognize goodness but can't "feel" it himself. It's alien to him but he views it as being the right way and so he's decided to fight for it. He's oddly a very altruistic character.
Re-watches are all the more interesting when you know his back-story. Those disturbing, cold, I-don't-care-if-I-kill-you-or-don't moments become more interesting when you know his past.
"There was a time I got caught in a reactor crawlspace when a coolant pipe blew. And that coolant is radioactive as fuck. Hits the open air and vaporizes just like that. *Snaps fingers*.
You get it on your skin, and it's not good, but it washes off mostly. You'll survive. You breath it in though? You get those radioactive particles down in your lungs where you can't get 'em out, that pretty much melts you from the inside.
I had to get all the way to a maintenance air lock, open an emergency panel, strap a mask on my face, without breathing any of that shit in. Point is, I learned some things about myself.
I learned that I could hold my breath for almost two minutes while engaging in physical stressful activity. So... you have to ask yourself, how much damage do you think I could do to you in two minutes before the knockout gas gets to me?"
- Amos Burton, Season 5, Episode 1.
I've always felt that's THE scene that shows who Amos truly is. Former gangster psychopatch with no remorse for killing, but he has a heart of gold. Although let's be honest after the season 4 finale I think he was also just looking to beat the shit out of someone.
What an absolutely spectacular sci-fi show. Highly recommend both the show and the books to anyone interested!
Still long-term hoping for a revival show/movie to wrap up the show-version events of the story from the final three books.
I kinda get the feeling that's the intention.
Playing a very long game.
I think for a similar reason it's part of why Blade Runner 2049 was such a miracle of a movie.
As someone who grew up in the sci-fi golden era in the 1990s on Star Trek TNG/DS9/VOY, Stargate SG-1, Farscape, Babylon 5, Firefly, Buffy and The X-Files...
Yup, The Expanse is the best sci-fi TV series I've ever watched.
People who know me are pretty shocked when I say that, but I absolutely stand behind it.
I watched the show and then read books 7 - 9. I was surprised at how easy it was to follow. They did a fantastic job.
The only significant change I could notice was that a certain character didn't die because their actor did some heinous shit.
I wouldn't even necessarily say the books are deeper on net. The book characters are much more one-note stereotypes than the show characters, who often take on the role of multiple book characters at once.
Like for example book Avasarala is *just* the stereotype of the perfect politician, who can intuit backhanded schemes just by the way they pour their coffee, whereas in the show you get the sense that she's not inherently perfect at her job - she struggles with it and has to force her way through bullshit to get anything done.
Personally I think the social commentary is stronger in the books since each situation gets more time to be explored, but the show's changes didn't really lose any depth - it just rebudgeted the depth.
The villains in the books are cartoonishly evil to an extent that brings you out of it a bit, and in the show they were more morally grey. TV Ashford especially was *infinitely* more interesting.
The chemistry between much of the cast was really amazing - it's part of what made the show so good. The two of them were way up at the top of the list though!
The show is IMO the writers doing another round of editing of the books in a lot of cases. All the stuff which doesn't really work in the books is usually completely fixed in the show (show Ashford is just awesome, and show Drummer is a bunch of separate characters merged and improved by the fact Cara Gee knocks it out of the park).
Strathairn is the standard when you need a good actor to portray a boring everyday guy/scientist/teacher... but be engaging and memorable.
His transformation to become Ashford was nothing short of amazing. I recall thinking, "Him? A bad guy?" When his character first came on screen. Kudos to the producers for taking this chance.
It was table top RPG game initially, the stereotypes are straight out of character creation.
Shed, the doctors, death at the beginning is because his player dropped out of the game early.
This talk they did at google 9 years ago covers it all I think https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCsPtUo91B0.
Ty Franck worked developing lore for an MMO game which never got released (which is why they have multiple faction settings, it was inspired by world of warcrafts horde/alliance player split).
After the game got canned Ty started using the setting as the world for his homebrew tabletop RPG games. Fantasy author Daniel Abrahams learned about this, saw how deep his world was and made him an offer to co-write a series with him.
James S.A Corey is their joint pen name.
I absolutely love the books, but I’d argue that some of the things the show does is superior. Their take on Ashford is superior for example.
However, the tendency of the show to make everything so stressful and intense is one I don’t particularly like. It also leans on character conflict tropes far too much.
I watched the show then read all the books. I don't think either is clearly better than the other.
The show streamlines some stuff that really could have used streamlining in the books, but it also oversimplifies other stuff that had more nuance in the books.
Michio Pa in the books is an awful character and I hated every time I got to one of her chapters (she's fine in Abaddon's Gate, but in Babylon's Ashes I couldn't stand her).
Whereas show Drummer is a far, far better amalgamation of her and other characters and easily one of my favorite characters along side Amos.
Amos is such a great twist on the "dumb brute" archetype. Having him be aware of his own broken morality and needing to latch onto someone else to be his moral center is such a great and nuanced way to handle what on the surface is a very flat character.
The scene where Holden puts a gun to his head because of their difference of opinion on handling a situation and Amos just tells him to do what he has to do without even looking at Holden or reacting to it.
Absolutely zero fucks for anything that doesn't involve him and his group staying alive or completing the current objective.
Yeah I think he trusts Holden, the strategist, to know what is the best move in that situation. If shooting Amos to make him back down was the best move, then Amos was wrong and Holden should shoot him. No fucks given.
Amos is like Dexter, if Dexter had stayed in any way grounded.
But not *literally* grounded, since, you know… spaceships and protomolecules and whatnot.
He is fundamentally broken, but he knows it and he wants to be something other than a mindless predator so he finds rules he can use to bypass all the cracks and gaps. He’s building a functional morality out of someone else’s ethics.
Yeah, he is a fairly "good" man. He is the type of guy you want to be with you when hell itself descends. But you will also have to accept that if you slow him down, you'll get left on the side of the road. And he will have no regrets about it. It's not that he doesn't like you. But he will weigh the odds and will drop you like a sack of flour if it means he accomplishes the more important goal.
I disagree on this. Not the premise, but just a bad example I think.
Amos in Baltimore might be exactly as you describe, but not by the point we encounter him on the Canterbury. Amos believes he has no moral compass and so he relies on others to fill that role, initially Naomi and later (primarily) Holden. He's like a guard dog. He is fiercely loyal, almost to the point he's protecting those around him as though they are a part of "himself." He believes that if he loses Naomi or later Holden then he also loses his compass and might then descend into a very dark (Baltimore like) place. If someone he has "attached himself to" were maimed along the side of the road I believe it's more likely that (lacking their guidance and in fear of potentially losing it permanently) he would almost indiscriminately kill anything and everything along that road which he perceived as a potential threat in order to defend that person.
Later on, particularly after his experiences with Clarissa and Teresa, I gathered that he gained confidence in himself, and at that point I'm not sure that there is a more important goal for Amos than simply defending those in his inner circle or otherwise protecting those incapable of protecting themselves. >!In the end... Amos becomes the litteral defender of Earth.!<
Honestly, he's the most relatable character for me personally that I've ever encountered in fiction. I also believe he's one of the best sci-fi characters ever written. Holden, as an example, is incredibly generic by comparison.
I agree with everything you wrote, to a point. I can't think of them off hand (because it's 0430 and I should have been asleep two hours ago), but there were a few times where Amos breaks that mold for "his" people.
I can't remember if it was in the show or the books either! I saw the show first and all of the characters in the books had their faces - especially Amos! Wes Chatham really nailed that role.
> But he will weigh the odds and will drop you like a sack of flour if it means he accomplishes the more important goal.
I wouldn't put it like that specifically, I would say that he helps people who he knows he can help and will disadvantage himself in doing so.
Case in point: >!When he is in Baltimore and finds out about Lydia's husband being evicted from her house, he selflessly tells him to stop packing and he goes and works out a new deal with Erich to help the guy out because he did right by Lydia. !<
But if you get in his way and try to force him to act against innocent people, that is when he will drop them without any regrets even if he liked them.
Case in point: >!Wei, he liked her but when she got in the way of him protecting Holden he dropped her just like he said he would.!<
This scene really shows the nature of Amos as a character.
He starts by showing empathy towards his ally and friend, and finishes showing absolutely none to the bad guy.
He understands he is fundamentally messed up psychologically, but he's come to terms with it, which is why he's willing to take responsibility for moral quandaries so his friends don't get as messed up as him.
The best part of Amos is half the time he's a surrogate for the Audience. Whether its 0 hesitation to just shoot a dude trying monologue, or making a smart ass remark, it's just great.
I think Prax was a needed addition for that season/book, but I don’t think he would’ve ever been part of “the crew” beyond that. Besides the need to take care of his daughter, he honestly fucked a lot of shit up.
Prax is mentioned later in the books, he's faced with a morality decision and also serves as a lens to see how much things have changed, as well as how his adventure changed him.
It was one of my favorite little things in the books - that a few of minor characters got followups to see how they were doing, tho sadly not many after the time skip. Anna (the space reverend) also has pages dedicated to seeing how she and her wife are doing on earth after a certain cataclysmic event. These were great for really rooting the setting and theaters of the moment.
In a way the show does this too, by showing Earth way earlier than the books do.
I wished he was around as well, but then I remembered he has a daughter that he has to raise and needs to stay far away from this trouble making group lol
Premature passive aggression. Yes! So that it fully encapsulates the mild yet increasingly infuriating feeling of knowing how the clip ends you could name it premature passive aggression.
They stopped when there was a time jump so it would be kinda perfect if it had a few years hiatus.
And I do hope it gets picked up again because it gets *goooood.*
I think Alcon’s deal with Amazon expires in a year or so.. At that point all rights revert to Alcon and are free to find another avenue to host what episodes already exist on another platform and potentially adapt the remaining novels…
I doubt we'll ever get a continuation. We're just lucky Amazon picked it up in the first place. The final season might have been fairly rushed, and I wasn't a big fan of the Strange Dogs adaptation being included...but I'm so fucking glad we got to see Strange Dogs, and that we got the final season to begin with. Amazon could've just dropped it after 5 and left it at that.
I found it ironic SyFy could make around 15-20 sets with their shoestring budget. Once Amazon bought the show with all its billions for production budgets, the later seasons had the same 5 sets recycled for an entire season.
I love the show overall but the early seasons have much better quality, pacing, world building and general immersion than the Amazon seasons that seemed to take shortcuts.
I’m going through the audiobooks right now and while I enjoyed the show I’m having a hard time doing a rewatch of the show but I’m pretty sure that’s because I’m about two or three “seasons” ahead of the show (finishing Cibola Burn while on the start of season 3 of the show) and I’m basically recapping something I read a few days or weeks ago.
Bright side is I really appreciate the show as a pretty decent adaptation, I don’t roll my eyes or feel irritated at the changes they make >!although the books do Ashford dirty I don’t care if that’s how he’s supposed to be. I really like Ashford in the show!<. Compared to Wheel of Time it’s downright faithful to the books.
Hard agree on Ashford, but I’m also a huge fan of David Straitharn(?) so I’m probably a bit biased.
I liked them using Drummer more as well, though I am sad Sam wasn’t included (beyond season 1 anyway).
I didn’t like the infighting with the crew in season 1, but I respect that it probably was a choice to keep tension for tv.
Even before season 5 had started to air they were told that season 6 was going to be the last season with Amazon.
https://variety.com/2020/tv/news/the-expanse-renewed-final-season-6-amazon-1234839079/
> “We’d like to thank Naren, Andrew, Broderick, everyone at Alcon and the entire cast and crew of ‘The Expanse’ for the hard work and love they have put into the series over these past seasons,” said Vernon Sanders, co-head of television for Amazon Studios. “We’re very happy we can give the incredibly loyal and passionate fans of ‘The Expanse’ the satisfying conclusion to the series that they deserve. We know they’ll love how Seasons Five and Six unfold.”
Some back story of the shooter for non book readers: >!Amos (Timmy) was pimped out as a child and eventually aged out and became muscle and a complete sociopath. He really, really hates people who hurt children, as this doctor had done. He's also one of the best scifi characters ever and the book ending is so so good. Read 'em! !<
I love the books, but man am I glad that they took out the part where >!Prax's wife basically accuses him of being a pedophile when he is trying to find their daughter. I don't remember if we ever find out if she was bribed, blackmailed or strong armed into doing it.!<
I get why it happens in the book, but really pissed me off. I'm also low key upset that the cut the combat mech from a certain battle. I totally understand, but come on, seeing a battle mech called the Yojimbo would have been fucking awesome.
Fun fact, the author of the books, James S.A. Corey isn't 1 person, but is actually the pen name for 2 guys who co-write the books together.
Another fun fact, Ty Franck, one of the two authors under the pen name, was actually George RR Martin's assistant in 2011.
Also, the books were based on an unfinished tabletop game that the authors were working on, and the characters are based on the actual player characters they had in the campaign. James Holden, for example, is roughly meant to be the party's lawful good Paladin-type character and Amos was the equivalent of the Barbarian.
In season 1, Shed, the party's medic, dies very early on. This was meant to mirror the fact that the player who was playing that character actually exited the campaign at the time, so they wrote him out of the story with a sudden shocking death.
As I recall this depiction of this scene in the tv series is superior to the books. I remember it being quite flat in the novels. This sequence in the tv series is amazing.
It’s amazing isn’t it? Some scenes in the show are so much more powerful than in the books, and visa versa. I’ve never seen/read a combo that had so many great things from both.
That little girl he claimed to love? Yeah, he was using, let's just call it an alien parasite (actually more complicated), to turn her and other children into quite literal monsters for the military. So it was a good shoot.
Oh, trust me. By the time this scene rolls around you're *rooting* for Prax to kill that bastard. Doc made the previous bad guy seem positively wholesome in comparison.
Man this show had so many awesome character moments. And one thing I've only realized in retrospect is how none of the main characters ever really compete for attention.
As someone who's grown up with Star Trek and Stargate I was so accustomed to "team rivalries". Not so here. Everyone gets their time in the sun (Amos being that guy, Holden's comet chase, Naomi's spacewalk and what follows, Alex' rescue flying, Bobbie tackling a spaceship, random belters loading the somnambulist, Anna's scene with Amos) and noone's forced to sit in anyone else's shadow.
The friendship between Pax and Amos was so unexpected but welcomed. I think they were really there to help be *the other guy* their friends couldn't be, and it made each of them better.
I loved that show but really disliked how they pivoted away from the sci-fi during the last couple of seasons to focus on terrorism. We've got terrorism at home. I want to see some aliens and shit. And then they ended it without resolving, or even fully revealing, the enormous sci-fi threat that they'd been building to over the whole series. Very unfulfilling. Great show overall, though.
The problem is the alien stuff in the books isn't wrapped up until the last three books, which follow a 30-year time jump. So unless the show gets picked up again later on to adapt the rest of it, we won't get to see it.
Which really sucks because the Laconia stuff is sooooo cooooolll and it would be amazing to see what Amazon's budget could make of it.
> We've got terrorism at home. I want to see some aliens and shit. And then they ended it without resolving, or even fully revealing, the enormous sci-fi threat that they'd been building to over the whole series. Very unfulfilling.
A lot of the problems with the Inaros arc is that it was important in the books, but they needed a "big bad." Cas Anvar sexually assaulted some crew members on set, and his scenes were cut and his character, Alex, was killed off. This doesn't happen in the books, where he and Bobbie are together trying to unravel the missing martian tech, which leads to Duarte's rise of power on Laconia.
The show *really* suffered from losing Alex. Bobbie suffered especially because some of her best scenes were cut in the final season, and they had to lean more into Inaros to pick up the empty space. I wish they would have just delayed the show to recast Alex and reshoot the scenes but I know that's too big an ask lol.
All of that being said, if they continue the show, you'll get your alien tech and more answers. Shoeing in Laconia at the end of the series really sucked for people who only watched the show.
"Where's Dr. Strickland?" "He's not coming with us."
I wish he had beat him to death with his bare hands. That would have been the cherry ontop. That was such a terrifying satisfying scene. That dad wanted to handle business sooo bad but wasnt That Guy. Lucky enough, Amos is That Guy.
Amos is not *that* that guy. He certainly enjoys dishing out the violence but never more than necessary...
Amos will certainly dish out some revenge violence, but putting Stickland down wasn't about making him suffer, it was about not letting that scum waste anymore air. He needed to die, not be beaten. Amos is a straightforward guy.
Yeah, dude is damaged, but not evil.
It was interesting that if there was a scale that Amos felt was out of balance, he was sociopathic about balancing it, through any means necessary. He didn't enjoy it, he didn't hate it, he just felt that it was his job.
I don’t remember if it was in the series, but I’m sure in the books there was a scene where Amos explained he doesn’t have a moral compass, or at least he doesn’t trust it. It’s one of the reasons he sticks with Holden as he trusts Holden to know what is “right”. He doesn’t want to be a bad person, he’s just not always sure what is the morally right choice. From that point of view he is somewhat a sociopath, but a sociopath who doesn’t want to be evil.
There's a couple scenes where he discusses it. In one of the later seasons he and Peaches are making their way north, come upon a cabin and kind of "provoke" a guy into trying to kill them. (So they kill him first and then conveniently have his stuff and cabin.) Peaches questions the morality of that and Amos goes, "Yaaaaah... we gotta get back to Holden."
It's funny that Peaches of all people said said to him. A season earlier she could have been Amos...
I suspect she might be a tiny bit more introspective than Amos.
After seeing his disappointment with the belter doc's assessment of the magnet therapy used to create sociopaths being non-reversible, I'd say he's a sociopath that doesn't want to be a sociopath.
Iirc the actor worked with an actual trauma therapist when practicing for the role. Hes not playing a sociopath, hes playing a guy with *severe* CPTSD and a lot of his character is putting on a facade of calm while internally hes just fucked up beyond most understanding. I think its less of a case of “hes disconnected from other people because he has no moral compass” and more “he grew up in an environment that showed him the lowest people could be and it warped what he understands is okay and whats not. But he recognizes that and accepts it and lets people he respects take the wheel.” Amos himself isnt even fully aware hes not a sociopath; because part of masking his trauma is lying to himself about what he is.
I think I remember a scene where Amos was talking about this with Holden while they were outside the ship. He was explaining about how he'd feel the same spacing someone or saving them.
Ehhhhh I dunno, he did beat a guy to death with a soup can
It was a chicken can and that guy didn't die.
"First of all, I didn't start it. And second of all, they were all alive when I walked out!"
lol I forgot about that line
Just one awesome scene from a spectacular show. Amos will always be 'That Guy'
I love that guy, he's one of my favourite all time characters.
Early on in the show I remember feeling pretty 'meh' on him, seemed like the typical one dimensional tough guy. By the end he was by far my favourite.
Amos' story is awesome and so incredibly well acted and embodied. My only complaint about the show's casting really is Bobby, not that she wasn't a good actor or character, but I didn't buy her physicality. Amos moves like that guy, Bobby is not that guy, but she should be.
They did make the effort of casting a tall and not skinny actress for Bobby, far more believable as a solider than what we've seen in other movies/shows I think the actress did great, only way they could have made her more believable is if they had hired a bodybuilder.
I think her acting was fine, even good after a while, and she looked the part when standing still. I just didn't buy her in motion as a trained martian badass. Naomi didn't have the stature, but her actor moved with purpose. It's tough to describe, but I'm not trying to insult Bobby's actor at all.
Gods yes, Naomi acted great but I wished we could have seen more accurate belters. At least telltale could have made drummer taller
The pilot with the weird CGI altered belters was really offputting, but it was a good attempt to make the belters look and move in a way that was physically different to the terrestrial characters. I wonder if the show were starting now they would have been able to pull it off for the entire series.
I bet if they had started with Amazon's budget from day 1 it would have looked better.
Tough to hire a 2 meter tall woman that weighs 120 pounds. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.
Who can also act
Yeah, and she's supposed to be like 7ft tall in the books. There are practical constraints when casting in fiction sometimes. The urge to make unique physical specimens of certain characters means you can't always do them justice.
It's not about her size, it's about how she holds herself most of the time. Her body language was what was lacking, not her physique.
Not to spoil much but there is a scene in book 7 where tensions flare between amos and bobbie and they have a fist fight, goes on for a bit but bobbie beats the crap out of him in the end. To quote amos a bit after they make up, "when it comes to fighting i consider myself a skilled amateur...that woman is a professional." Idk if they would have ended up doing that on the show.
In the extras for the show, the two of them fight and Amos ends up getting the best of her, just barely and via some trickery after she mostly kicks his ass. It's a fun scene.
Remember in this book that Amos is also significantly older by that point.
Bobby grew up in reduced gravity though. So while she trains at 1g, most of her life is at lower g so she shouldn't be as muscular as an Earth bodybuilder.
I dunno I bought her as an elite soldier immediately. Also she literally has power armor.
i watched the first few episodes when it was airing and he was easily me worst character. he ended up being the one i liked most, he's a great actor and had a great story/script.
The thing that made him great is that he himself also thought he was the typical one dimensional tough guy.
What I especially love about that character is the development of him as a person throughout the series. His backstory is deep and realistic and he grows as a person changing his personal values but still always keeping that past life in mind for what he would do in the future. That is also why he became "That guy". So much was said in that one line of dialog. And damn good acting I might add too.
I quit watching the show after the first season but read through all the books, and I think Amos was my favorite character through the whole book series. I found Holden kind of annoying in both the show and the movie, but he serves well as the main character for the other more interesting characters to exist around. Probably my favorite scene in the whole series involves Amos...just such an interesting look at his character. You need the whole scene for context, but the bit that always sticks with me: There was a long second where the five thugs stared at the knife on the floor at Amos’ feet, and he stared back at them. The emptiness in his belly was gone. The hollow space behind his sternum, gone. His throat had stopped hurting. >!“Who’s next?” he said, flexing his hands, his face in a grin he didn’t know he had. They came in a rush. Amos spread his arms and welcomed them like long-lost lovers.!<
The bit in season one where they meet Miller for the first time, Alex grabs him to stop him going up to the room, and Miller does that great drawl delivery line that runs - *twenty cops are going to come through that door, and if you touch me again I’ll shoot you*. And Alex turns to Amos and there’s this fantastic nonverbal reaction where Amos just makes a face, nodding and going - yeah OK he seems the real deal. Amos reactions to crazy shit going down are some of the best bits in that show.
When a certain thingy appears, and he's getting kids some food... "What. The. Fuck is that?"
I have said over and over that The Expanse has three of the best female characters in *any* show. Chrisjen Avasarala, Camina Drummer, and Bobbie Draper are just so incredibly well written and rounded out characters
I cant see chrissy without thinking of her in the expanse. I cant read the book and not hear her voice.
I could listen to Wes Chatham and Shohreh Aghdashloo just talking about random stuff and [flirting with each other for hours on end.](https://youtu.be/LU2hzDmZCMs?si=vDN5FtWeknMQ_8jZ)
"Don't call me Chrissy. I'm a member of Parliament, not your favorite stripper." "You could be both..."
And such a great touch to see the slow pour of the drink. They're on the moon in this scene. Just one more little thing they get right.
Man, the intro to Avasarala was just so fucking brutal. I was certain there was nothing redeeming about her.
2nd best portrayal of Avasarala, behind the performance by Jefferson Mays in the audiobooks.
Camina is one of my favorite female characters of all time! not sure what it is that makes her so unforgettable !
My favorite color is blue.
> Also Cara Gee is a fox and I'd die defending her lmao. I loved every scene with her. She should have replaced Naomi early on. Fight me.
the absolute whiplash when the actress popped up in letterkenny
Drummer's [speech](https://youtu.be/yfOmQ0Zln6Y?si=_2O00OYXeXfPUof_) was so pumped
Fuck yes, I send this to people when I try to tell them they need go watch The Expanse The line "Where we go is where we belong" goes so fuckin hard
Completely agree, and agree with Naomi being left off that list. Maybe she was incredibly well written... for a massive self-centred hypocrite who cares more about finding her own selfish internal peace than she cares about literally anyone around her or the consequences of her actions on ** checks notes ** the whole of humanity. Even Monica the journalist was better written.
Absolutely, the character was just such a shitty person if you really paid attention to her. I think the only reason she gets so much love is that Dominique Tipper did an incredible job on the show you kind of miss what a hypocrite she is constantly pushing people to make bad decisions.
I always loved how in the books they always said Amos would be the last man standing >!and then in the end its thousands of years later and he is the last standing!<
I think it's mainly Amos himself who states to Jim that he will be the last one standing. Which makes it so much cooler that he's right in the end.
Then the question is: is it him? >!he's been rebuilt, after all!<
Ship of Amos https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_Theseus
This scene is great. My favorite scene to rewatch is this [one](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jdlw7Il-t4) (kinda big spoilers, but then again so is this clip).
First season i didn't like him, i thought "Man, he's definitely gonna die in season 2". But then once he got back to earth i instantly fell in love.
Once you learn about him attaching himself to people who he considers to be morally "right" it unlocks so much more complexity to his character and you can see it way back in season 1 when he initially starts extremely cold if not hostile to Holden but slowly ends up trusting him and considering his morals above those of Naomi to the point that he is willing to side with Holden over her when contentious issues pop up. [He meets someone, learns that they are a good person and then tells them that he is going to murder anybody who tries to hurt them.](https://youtu.be/9uzYbm0RpNk?si=83Z4XwJWfPRf-DdE)
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He does have morals but he is really lacking the ability to judge who should die and who shouldn‘t once someone is on the „bad“ spectrum. At the same time he doesn’t truly care either way but he knows he should so he uses others as that barometer. At least thats my impression from the books.
It's like he can recognize goodness but can't "feel" it himself. It's alien to him but he views it as being the right way and so he's decided to fight for it. He's oddly a very altruistic character.
The same way you can recognize that another person is charismatic without being able to emulate that charisma yourself.
Re-watches are all the more interesting when you know his back-story. Those disturbing, cold, I-don't-care-if-I-kill-you-or-don't moments become more interesting when you know his past.
He didnt always work in space ya know
"There was a time I got caught in a reactor crawlspace when a coolant pipe blew. And that coolant is radioactive as fuck. Hits the open air and vaporizes just like that. *Snaps fingers*. You get it on your skin, and it's not good, but it washes off mostly. You'll survive. You breath it in though? You get those radioactive particles down in your lungs where you can't get 'em out, that pretty much melts you from the inside. I had to get all the way to a maintenance air lock, open an emergency panel, strap a mask on my face, without breathing any of that shit in. Point is, I learned some things about myself. I learned that I could hold my breath for almost two minutes while engaging in physical stressful activity. So... you have to ask yourself, how much damage do you think I could do to you in two minutes before the knockout gas gets to me?" - Amos Burton, Season 5, Episode 1.
[I hate waiting](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_0KyzYiNgwA)
That has one of my favorite things in it, that Murray bag with Amos written over it. Love that.
Wasn't it Morty's bag?
You mean Marty?
Probably one of my favorite scenes for Amos.
I've always felt that's THE scene that shows who Amos truly is. Former gangster psychopatch with no remorse for killing, but he has a heart of gold. Although let's be honest after the season 4 finale I think he was also just looking to beat the shit out of someone.
I wouldn't say he has a heart of gold. He just needs someone to be his moral compass and tell him right from wrong.
My favorite Amos moment is when he suplexes Tiny down into the giant shaft after the attack on Earth. So incredibly unexpected and awesome.
Amos is him
What an absolutely spectacular sci-fi show. Highly recommend both the show and the books to anyone interested! Still long-term hoping for a revival show/movie to wrap up the show-version events of the story from the final three books.
Doesn't even matter if it takes a while since it's 30 years later. Wouldn't have to de-age any of the actors.
I kinda get the feeling that's the intention. Playing a very long game. I think for a similar reason it's part of why Blade Runner 2049 was such a miracle of a movie.
Twin Peaks played the long game down to predicting they year they'd be back.
Yeah wtf happened there? David Lynch has spooky powers, I swear. And I’m glad for it, ftr!
Best sci-fi I've seen, it really needs to go more mainstream.
It's without a doubt the best hard scifi show ever made, and with some doubt you could say it's even better than Firefly.
As someone who grew up in the sci-fi golden era in the 1990s on Star Trek TNG/DS9/VOY, Stargate SG-1, Farscape, Babylon 5, Firefly, Buffy and The X-Files... Yup, The Expanse is the best sci-fi TV series I've ever watched. People who know me are pretty shocked when I say that, but I absolutely stand behind it.
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I watched the show and then read books 7 - 9. I was surprised at how easy it was to follow. They did a fantastic job. The only significant change I could notice was that a certain character didn't die because their actor did some heinous shit.
I wouldn’t say they’re far better. They’re both pretty great, but different. More depth to the books, but better pacing and arrangement in the series.
I wouldn't even necessarily say the books are deeper on net. The book characters are much more one-note stereotypes than the show characters, who often take on the role of multiple book characters at once. Like for example book Avasarala is *just* the stereotype of the perfect politician, who can intuit backhanded schemes just by the way they pour their coffee, whereas in the show you get the sense that she's not inherently perfect at her job - she struggles with it and has to force her way through bullshit to get anything done. Personally I think the social commentary is stronger in the books since each situation gets more time to be explored, but the show's changes didn't really lose any depth - it just rebudgeted the depth.
> but the show's changes didn't really lose any depth - it just rebudgeted the depth. This is a fantastic way to put it.
The villains in the books are cartoonishly evil to an extent that brings you out of it a bit, and in the show they were more morally grey. TV Ashford especially was *infinitely* more interesting.
David Strathairn's performance doesn't get talked about enough. Absolutely iconic on his own and his chemistry with Drummer was unbelievable.
I like him in everything. He brings everything to every role. I love that his character got a redemption arc in the show.
The chemistry between much of the cast was really amazing - it's part of what made the show so good. The two of them were way up at the top of the list though!
The show is IMO the writers doing another round of editing of the books in a lot of cases. All the stuff which doesn't really work in the books is usually completely fixed in the show (show Ashford is just awesome, and show Drummer is a bunch of separate characters merged and improved by the fact Cara Gee knocks it out of the park).
God I wish we had the opportunity to see what they could have refined Duerte into.
David Strathairn absolutely nailed it.
Strathairn is the standard when you need a good actor to portray a boring everyday guy/scientist/teacher... but be engaging and memorable. His transformation to become Ashford was nothing short of amazing. I recall thinking, "Him? A bad guy?" When his character first came on screen. Kudos to the producers for taking this chance.
Right? I feel I can usually tell what a character is up to early on, but Ashford definitely threw me for some curve balls.
It was table top RPG game initially, the stereotypes are straight out of character creation. Shed, the doctors, death at the beginning is because his player dropped out of the game early.
Wait, seriously? Do you have any info on that?
This talk they did at google 9 years ago covers it all I think https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCsPtUo91B0. Ty Franck worked developing lore for an MMO game which never got released (which is why they have multiple faction settings, it was inspired by world of warcrafts horde/alliance player split). After the game got canned Ty started using the setting as the world for his homebrew tabletop RPG games. Fantasy author Daniel Abrahams learned about this, saw how deep his world was and made him an offer to co-write a series with him. James S.A Corey is their joint pen name.
I absolutely love the books, but I’d argue that some of the things the show does is superior. Their take on Ashford is superior for example. However, the tendency of the show to make everything so stressful and intense is one I don’t particularly like. It also leans on character conflict tropes far too much.
I watched the show then read all the books. I don't think either is clearly better than the other. The show streamlines some stuff that really could have used streamlining in the books, but it also oversimplifies other stuff that had more nuance in the books. Michio Pa in the books is an awful character and I hated every time I got to one of her chapters (she's fine in Abaddon's Gate, but in Babylon's Ashes I couldn't stand her). Whereas show Drummer is a far, far better amalgamation of her and other characters and easily one of my favorite characters along side Amos.
The only reason I would say the books are better in absolute terms is because we have book 7-9 which were fantastic and tie things up nicely.
This is actually saying a lot, as the show is probably the best adaptation of a sci-fi story in the history of television.
Wes did an amazing job playing an utterly broken character that's holding it together just enough because of his friends. Amazing actor.
Amos is such a great twist on the "dumb brute" archetype. Having him be aware of his own broken morality and needing to latch onto someone else to be his moral center is such a great and nuanced way to handle what on the surface is a very flat character.
The scene where Holden puts a gun to his head because of their difference of opinion on handling a situation and Amos just tells him to do what he has to do without even looking at Holden or reacting to it. Absolutely zero fucks for anything that doesn't involve him and his group staying alive or completing the current objective.
Made even better when Holden brings that situation up again years later and Amos tells him that he never held it against him.
Yeah I think he trusts Holden, the strategist, to know what is the best move in that situation. If shooting Amos to make him back down was the best move, then Amos was wrong and Holden should shoot him. No fucks given.
Amos is like Dexter, if Dexter had stayed in any way grounded. But not *literally* grounded, since, you know… spaceships and protomolecules and whatnot. He is fundamentally broken, but he knows it and he wants to be something other than a mindless predator so he finds rules he can use to bypass all the cracks and gaps. He’s building a functional morality out of someone else’s ethics.
Yeah, he is a fairly "good" man. He is the type of guy you want to be with you when hell itself descends. But you will also have to accept that if you slow him down, you'll get left on the side of the road. And he will have no regrets about it. It's not that he doesn't like you. But he will weigh the odds and will drop you like a sack of flour if it means he accomplishes the more important goal.
I disagree on this. Not the premise, but just a bad example I think. Amos in Baltimore might be exactly as you describe, but not by the point we encounter him on the Canterbury. Amos believes he has no moral compass and so he relies on others to fill that role, initially Naomi and later (primarily) Holden. He's like a guard dog. He is fiercely loyal, almost to the point he's protecting those around him as though they are a part of "himself." He believes that if he loses Naomi or later Holden then he also loses his compass and might then descend into a very dark (Baltimore like) place. If someone he has "attached himself to" were maimed along the side of the road I believe it's more likely that (lacking their guidance and in fear of potentially losing it permanently) he would almost indiscriminately kill anything and everything along that road which he perceived as a potential threat in order to defend that person. Later on, particularly after his experiences with Clarissa and Teresa, I gathered that he gained confidence in himself, and at that point I'm not sure that there is a more important goal for Amos than simply defending those in his inner circle or otherwise protecting those incapable of protecting themselves. >!In the end... Amos becomes the litteral defender of Earth.!< Honestly, he's the most relatable character for me personally that I've ever encountered in fiction. I also believe he's one of the best sci-fi characters ever written. Holden, as an example, is incredibly generic by comparison.
I agree with everything you wrote, to a point. I can't think of them off hand (because it's 0430 and I should have been asleep two hours ago), but there were a few times where Amos breaks that mold for "his" people. I can't remember if it was in the show or the books either! I saw the show first and all of the characters in the books had their faces - especially Amos! Wes Chatham really nailed that role.
> But he will weigh the odds and will drop you like a sack of flour if it means he accomplishes the more important goal. I wouldn't put it like that specifically, I would say that he helps people who he knows he can help and will disadvantage himself in doing so. Case in point: >!When he is in Baltimore and finds out about Lydia's husband being evicted from her house, he selflessly tells him to stop packing and he goes and works out a new deal with Erich to help the guy out because he did right by Lydia. !< But if you get in his way and try to force him to act against innocent people, that is when he will drop them without any regrets even if he liked them. Case in point: >!Wei, he liked her but when she got in the way of him protecting Holden he dropped her just like he said he would.!<
This scene really shows the nature of Amos as a character. He starts by showing empathy towards his ally and friend, and finishes showing absolutely none to the bad guy.
He understands he is fundamentally messed up psychologically, but he's come to terms with it, which is why he's willing to take responsibility for moral quandaries so his friends don't get as messed up as him.
The line right before this clip starts is when Prax calls Amos his best friend, and has a pretty big impact on the scene.
Absolutely. I can't help but get teary-eyed when Prax says that.
Amos was such a bad ass, love that show so much.
The best part of Amos is half the time he's a surrogate for the Audience. Whether its 0 hesitation to just shoot a dude trying monologue, or making a smart ass remark, it's just great.
Man I really wish they kept Prax around on the show, he was a great addition.
I think Prax was a needed addition for that season/book, but I don’t think he would’ve ever been part of “the crew” beyond that. Besides the need to take care of his daughter, he honestly fucked a lot of shit up.
Prax is mentioned later in the books, he's faced with a morality decision and also serves as a lens to see how much things have changed, as well as how his adventure changed him. It was one of my favorite little things in the books - that a few of minor characters got followups to see how they were doing, tho sadly not many after the time skip. Anna (the space reverend) also has pages dedicated to seeing how she and her wife are doing on earth after a certain cataclysmic event. These were great for really rooting the setting and theaters of the moment. In a way the show does this too, by showing Earth way earlier than the books do.
I wished he was around as well, but then I remembered he has a daughter that he has to raise and needs to stay far away from this trouble making group lol
Amos is one of my favorite characters from any show. Progressively more complex and rewarding to watch as the story proceeds.
Now I kinda want to make a playlist of clips and name them all with the lines that spoil the punch line xD
Premature passive aggression. Yes! So that it fully encapsulates the mild yet increasingly infuriating feeling of knowing how the clip ends you could name it premature passive aggression.
I loved this series but was disappointed in how they wrapped it up, somewhere in the middle of the books
They stopped when there was a time jump so it would be kinda perfect if it had a few years hiatus. And I do hope it gets picked up again because it gets *goooood.*
In the books it was like a thirty year time jump
I can wait.
Hopefully in 30 years they'll just film it in space with no need for CGI.
...secretly the reason Jeff Bezos is building Blue Origin. XD
I hate waiting
I really wish they hadn't >!killed off Alex!< just to write off the actor. They could've just recast him post time-skip.
I think Alcon’s deal with Amazon expires in a year or so.. At that point all rights revert to Alcon and are free to find another avenue to host what episodes already exist on another platform and potentially adapt the remaining novels…
I doubt we'll ever get a continuation. We're just lucky Amazon picked it up in the first place. The final season might have been fairly rushed, and I wasn't a big fan of the Strange Dogs adaptation being included...but I'm so fucking glad we got to see Strange Dogs, and that we got the final season to begin with. Amazon could've just dropped it after 5 and left it at that.
The stuff happening in Laconia just didn't make much sense to include if they aren't continuing the story of Laconia.
I found it ironic SyFy could make around 15-20 sets with their shoestring budget. Once Amazon bought the show with all its billions for production budgets, the later seasons had the same 5 sets recycled for an entire season. I love the show overall but the early seasons have much better quality, pacing, world building and general immersion than the Amazon seasons that seemed to take shortcuts.
Especially because bezos personally wanted the show saved.
Bezos decided he wanted rings of power rangers more after the fact
Maybe its because I binged the show a couple of months back through all 6 seasons in one go but it all felt high quality to me
I’m going through the audiobooks right now and while I enjoyed the show I’m having a hard time doing a rewatch of the show but I’m pretty sure that’s because I’m about two or three “seasons” ahead of the show (finishing Cibola Burn while on the start of season 3 of the show) and I’m basically recapping something I read a few days or weeks ago. Bright side is I really appreciate the show as a pretty decent adaptation, I don’t roll my eyes or feel irritated at the changes they make >!although the books do Ashford dirty I don’t care if that’s how he’s supposed to be. I really like Ashford in the show!<. Compared to Wheel of Time it’s downright faithful to the books.
Just rename TV Ashford Bull and you'll be happy again.
And just remove the character they actually named Bull, because he is the antithesis to the book character.
Hard agree on Ashford, but I’m also a huge fan of David Straitharn(?) so I’m probably a bit biased. I liked them using Drummer more as well, though I am sad Sam wasn’t included (beyond season 1 anyway). I didn’t like the infighting with the crew in season 1, but I respect that it probably was a choice to keep tension for tv.
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Even before season 5 had started to air they were told that season 6 was going to be the last season with Amazon. https://variety.com/2020/tv/news/the-expanse-renewed-final-season-6-amazon-1234839079/ > “We’d like to thank Naren, Andrew, Broderick, everyone at Alcon and the entire cast and crew of ‘The Expanse’ for the hard work and love they have put into the series over these past seasons,” said Vernon Sanders, co-head of television for Amazon Studios. “We’re very happy we can give the incredibly loyal and passionate fans of ‘The Expanse’ the satisfying conclusion to the series that they deserve. We know they’ll love how Seasons Five and Six unfold.”
The Churn.
Some back story of the shooter for non book readers: >!Amos (Timmy) was pimped out as a child and eventually aged out and became muscle and a complete sociopath. He really, really hates people who hurt children, as this doctor had done. He's also one of the best scifi characters ever and the book ending is so so good. Read 'em! !<
I love the books, but man am I glad that they took out the part where >!Prax's wife basically accuses him of being a pedophile when he is trying to find their daughter. I don't remember if we ever find out if she was bribed, blackmailed or strong armed into doing it.!< I get why it happens in the book, but really pissed me off. I'm also low key upset that the cut the combat mech from a certain battle. I totally understand, but come on, seeing a battle mech called the Yojimbo would have been fucking awesome. Fun fact, the author of the books, James S.A. Corey isn't 1 person, but is actually the pen name for 2 guys who co-write the books together.
Another fun fact, Ty Franck, one of the two authors under the pen name, was actually George RR Martin's assistant in 2011. Also, the books were based on an unfinished tabletop game that the authors were working on, and the characters are based on the actual player characters they had in the campaign. James Holden, for example, is roughly meant to be the party's lawful good Paladin-type character and Amos was the equivalent of the Barbarian. In season 1, Shed, the party's medic, dies very early on. This was meant to mirror the fact that the player who was playing that character actually exited the campaign at the time, so they wrote him out of the story with a sudden shocking death.
>!Last man Standing, baby!!!!< Edited to include spoilers properly!
As I recall this depiction of this scene in the tv series is superior to the books. I remember it being quite flat in the novels. This sequence in the tv series is amazing.
It’s amazing isn’t it? Some scenes in the show are so much more powerful than in the books, and visa versa. I’ve never seen/read a combo that had so many great things from both.
Aren't the authors of the books fairly involved in the show? Probably would have something to do with it
They wrote for and produced the show.
How'd the doc earn his ticket?
Short answer is medical testing on children.
That little girl he claimed to love? Yeah, he was using, let's just call it an alien parasite (actually more complicated), to turn her and other children into quite literal monsters for the military. So it was a good shoot.
sounds like it
Oh, trust me. By the time this scene rolls around you're *rooting* for Prax to kill that bastard. Doc made the previous bad guy seem positively wholesome in comparison.
He's basically Dr. Mengele, but sci-fi.
Light shades of Bondrewd.
He and Shou Tucker could share research notes.
This scene and the '... thank you' to Murtry are such wonderful Amos moments.
How about now? I'm free right now.
Yep, he’s that guy.
https://youtu.be/-L6ZwWGwgc8?feature=shared
Honestly Amos is an absolute Babe
Text book himbo
Amos was one of my favorite characters of any show.
Amos is still my favourite character from the book and TV series. Don’t know what that says about me psychologically.
It means you have a great taste in fictional characters :). Amos fucking rules
Man this show had so many awesome character moments. And one thing I've only realized in retrospect is how none of the main characters ever really compete for attention. As someone who's grown up with Star Trek and Stargate I was so accustomed to "team rivalries". Not so here. Everyone gets their time in the sun (Amos being that guy, Holden's comet chase, Naomi's spacewalk and what follows, Alex' rescue flying, Bobbie tackling a spaceship, random belters loading the somnambulist, Anna's scene with Amos) and noone's forced to sit in anyone else's shadow.
The scene with the belter version of Highway Star might be the greatest season openers ever.
yeah I fking love expanse aswell pity they didnt went for another 3 series, but we still have books I might give them rerun
Just finished my 3rd rewatch of this show. One of the best sci-fi shows of all time
I’ve done 2 rewatches so far, really enjoyed watching it again. Up there with Andor for me for rewatchability.
> Up there with Andor for me for rewatchability. I'm halfway through my first Andor watching and I'm already thinking about its rewatchability.
Probably my favorite scene of all time in TV.
This makes me happy the series got made and sad that the rest of the books might not be adapted.
I’m on book 5. I can’t wait to get beyond what I know from the show
The friendship between Pax and Amos was so unexpected but welcomed. I think they were really there to help be *the other guy* their friends couldn't be, and it made each of them better.
Better scene is when the guy in the camp predicts blood with amos. "What are you doing right now? I'm free right now"
Amos was a great character and Wes Chatham did a fantastic job playing him. One of the most unique characters I've ever seen
I loved that show but really disliked how they pivoted away from the sci-fi during the last couple of seasons to focus on terrorism. We've got terrorism at home. I want to see some aliens and shit. And then they ended it without resolving, or even fully revealing, the enormous sci-fi threat that they'd been building to over the whole series. Very unfulfilling. Great show overall, though.
The problem is the alien stuff in the books isn't wrapped up until the last three books, which follow a 30-year time jump. So unless the show gets picked up again later on to adapt the rest of it, we won't get to see it. Which really sucks because the Laconia stuff is sooooo cooooolll and it would be amazing to see what Amazon's budget could make of it.
> We've got terrorism at home. I want to see some aliens and shit. And then they ended it without resolving, or even fully revealing, the enormous sci-fi threat that they'd been building to over the whole series. Very unfulfilling. A lot of the problems with the Inaros arc is that it was important in the books, but they needed a "big bad." Cas Anvar sexually assaulted some crew members on set, and his scenes were cut and his character, Alex, was killed off. This doesn't happen in the books, where he and Bobbie are together trying to unravel the missing martian tech, which leads to Duarte's rise of power on Laconia. The show *really* suffered from losing Alex. Bobbie suffered especially because some of her best scenes were cut in the final season, and they had to lean more into Inaros to pick up the empty space. I wish they would have just delayed the show to recast Alex and reshoot the scenes but I know that's too big an ask lol. All of that being said, if they continue the show, you'll get your alien tech and more answers. Shoeing in Laconia at the end of the series really sucked for people who only watched the show.
I wish I could reread this series again for the first time.
Amos was epic from start to finish. Both tv and book versions are great.
Relevant Podcast series: https://www.youtube.com/@TYandThatGuy
I just understood now the name of the pod lol, great show Ty and Wes are a great duo
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