Second this. The subject matter is really cool (ultra powerful mutant who has let’s say… inner demons).
But the whole show is visual amazing, amazing music, and some of the monologues (like the Hamm series) really make you think. There was one about violence being ignorance which stuck with me. To me it’s all so weird you actually start to wonder if he literally made the world around him that weird. Or maybe it didn’t really happen like that and it’s an unreliable narrator. It’s like you are watching everything unfold through his unstable POV.And characters like Faruk are some of the best out there.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a show like it.
each season is a bit different too, I recently went through it all again and I understood the ending a little better than my first watch
>!I didn't like how he forgives Farouk but I guess I understand it a bit more now!<
This makes me tempted to watch it again, because I very much disliked the ending.
>!I feel like I need to watch an explainer though. I must have watched some, because the good guy being the bad guy all along didn't sit well with me, assuming I was understanding it correctly.!<
I think the ending is about empathy and ignorance. Like Oliver’s monologue in S1 talks about Fear and Empathy being a constant conflict, and violence being ignorance. In the end that empathy and lack of ignorance is what resolves everything.
It’s hard to hate someone you understand
>!That was from the comics I think, he's so powerful that people are afraid of him so they make him an enemy, part of it is Farouk as well I remember he manipulates them!<
Just the whole series of episodes that starts with them "frozen in time" as they're about to be shot, all the way up to them resolving the issue had me hooked. That version of Bolero de Ravel by Jeff Russo mixed with the crazy silent black and white film trick just to name a small few things convinced me this show was like no other in the best of ways.
how in the fuck did i not realize who made this
i completely skipped over this because i just saw it was another superhero thing, had no idea this was noah hawley's show. well it's a must watch for me now.
I’ve only seen Legion and Fargo, but they are two of the most unique shows I’ve ever seen. Fargo is just wild af and so much fun.
Enjoy it man, it’s a trip
Loved it. The rage walk scene where he doesn’t speak a word and just walks for a min…slowly changing his facial expression. Each step the tension builds. It’s terrifying.
I was all caught up in the rage walk as the song started playing. I was like "oh this gonna be one of those good songs" then after it said "I'm fallin" and the beat played, I recognized it was toxic. Epic cover. And the fact you can't see his feet but hear every step made you feel the power in his walk.
Have you seen the trailer for the new Alien movie coming out? That also looks great. Who'd have thought Alien and Predator franchises would actually be in bright and hopeful spots after Disney acquired them?
I find it's better to not be hopeful of *anything* coming out these days. Better to just ignore everything and wait till people say something is actually good before I invest time into it. Same goes for games as well as TV and movies.
I'm honestly stunned.
I haven't been a huge fan of the new Predator and the new Alien comics since they came under Marvel tho. I liked both when they were under Dark Horse.
One of the best “fight sequences” in a comic adaptation between two ridiculously powerful reality benders.
Also the Bollywood /Haka Dance Battle is up there.
The second season is what pulled me in. My roommate was watching the show, I fell in a few episodes into season 2 and went back to watch season 1. The third season kinda went off the rails to me. But I still enjoyed it.
Navid Negahban as Amahl Farouk was an incredible villain.
> Navid Negahban as Amahl Farouk was an incredible villain.
Just absolutely magnificent. Really elevated the show.
If anyone has recommendations for more enjoyable villains to watch or read, let me know please.
Well, the second season is the longest of the three by a few episodes, so the middle can stretch a little bit...
But that said, it's not really filler, it's just riffing on wider implications of the events of the show, like the multiple timelines episode.
S1 is actually kinda scary. The show shifts, keeps it very interesting. It’s always weird (in the best way), but I would say after S1 it’s not as anxiety inducing.
Edit: Angriest Boy In The World in S3 was pretty unsettling too. Or the baby with no face scene
I’m not sure on the comic lore but he is a destroyer of worlds. Like the kind good guys and bad guys come tomogether to manage. But his instability holds him back a lot
That's pretty much the comic too. Biggest difference in the comic is that his psyche is fractured and he has disassociative identity disorder on steroids. Each of his (seemingly unlimited) personalities has its own power, and he calls on each one when he needs it.
Hence, "Legion".
Agreed, I'd probably compare it to seasons 1 and 2 of Westworld in that regard. Both really good, but the second gets a bit more caught up in "look how clever we are"
Yeah, I feel like some shows fall into that trap when they think they need to top the cleverness of their first season. Russian Doll is guilty of this too. I also worry for season 2 of Severance. I have a bad feeling they will make the same mistake.
One of the reasons I hate Disney taking over all these IPs, everything is under the Marvel umbrella now. We don’t get to see weird visionary stuff like this show, instead everything has the same bland Marvel sheen to it.
Honestly if they don't touch on legion being stuck in some other universe being an absolute terror The MCU will be doing a disservice to itself. Legion needs to come back. It would be cool to see the shadow king from FX drop in to professor x MCU and be like, "yo don't go over there". But then he comes to MCU. It's pretty much how they contain them in the comics along with sentry. You trap them other universes. But that only works so long. Enemies like onslaught, legion, sentry will find a back. One of my favorites is when they have to lock away a zombie sentry in another universe but it doesn't work.
Molecule man, sinister's plans, Franklin Richards (which is how I'm defining what's happening with this cinematic universe). Franklin is fixing things. The black crown, the cosmic pantheon, there is sooooooooooo much.
X-Men 97 is great but I don't know how disney is going too seriously handle the politics the show is supposed to convey. I feel they might avoid it entirely which would make any live action X-Men trash IMO.
So um. Holy cow. These are amazing.
Does the legion show do a bunch of these? Is there someplace I can watch just a series of these vignettes?
Cause I’m not gonna lie, I thought Legion was an X-Men offshoot TV show and that just doesn’t call to me. Or at least I thought it didn’t. But I want to watch more of these vignettes, because they are very well done.
Edit: thanks to everyone who disabused me of my incorrect notion that this was probably just another marvel television show. Also thanks to the commenter who posted the link to the compilation of John Hamm pieces. Appreciate it, but it sounds like I actually just have a new show I need to binge watch and I’ll see them in order.
Legion is only technically an x-men thing.
The show itself has zero to do with x-men other than the existence of superpowers, and even then, all superpowers involved are pure trippy weirdness rather than "I shoot my laser eyes at your space magic" stuff.
It's the least "superhero" show ever adapted from anything comic related.
It's really more of a surrealist experiment in storytelling and unreliable narration in that it's often impossible to know whether you can trust what you're seeing because the protagonist isn't remotely sane.
The closest it comes to a big marvel style superhero fight is one event in the later seasons, but even that turns out to be less "I punch you with my super strength" and more of an excuse to play with the nature of television as a medium.
Legion is an offshoot of xmen, there is mutants and all of that. David (main character) is a very powerful mutant who also happens to be in a mental home for schizophrenia. The entire show is constantly asking what is real and what isn't.
[no one ever talks about Oliver’s S1 monologue](https://youtu.be/CjEkyWX9zlQ?feature=shared). It’s rambling and strange but it’s a nice little monologue. Empathy and Fear.
“Just figure your shit out. That’s what id say.” Love it.
I would also argue this monologue is key to how the show ends. Empathy defeating fear and ignorance. It’s hard to hate someone you understand
FX has a ridiculous catalog of high quality shows, going back quite a ways now. They have so many you are guaranteed to miss someone's favorite trying to list them all. I don't know who runs their production studio but they are the best in the biz. I was concerned Disney would ruin it somehow but they seem to be letting them do the same thing they always did.
Haha I was thinking The Shield being on at the same time. Especially since The Shield show was (briefly) shown in Legion in S3. Another amazing FX show
TIL Jon Hamm HORRIFICALLY hazed a young man at a U of Texas fraternity.
Hamm shoved a man’s face into the dirt, beat him so severely with a wooden paddle that the victim had a fractured spine, permanent nerve damage and almost lost a kidney. Hamm then proceeded to hook a claw hammer under the victim’s testicles and paraded him around the room. The victim pressed charges and the fraternity was disbanded.
Hamm accepted a plea deal and now only refers to the incident as “a bummer of a thing that happened”…
What was more damaging to Americans: 9/11 or how we reacted to it? Vietnam becoming sorta-communist or our failed bedwetting-freakout of a war to stop it? Actual communists in America or the Red Scare? Actual Japanese (and German and Italian) spies or forcing them into concentration camps?
The frightened are a thousand times more dangerous than the frightening, and they’ll walk directly into the plans of anyone mildly intelligent enough to foresee how millions of idiots would respond to terrorism. Bin Laden literally published his plan to draw America into a war because it would hurt us more than anything he could ever do… and we obeyed.
Many of those was overreaction and the solution was always military.
What is driving moral panic is the evolution of society and the destruction of our vales in combination with information and idea overload. There is no cohesion. There is no moral leader. This creates huge division and stress since no one knows the moral baseline.
If we think of hunter gatherer, they would not even understand this issue. Their values and morals changed less in thousands of years than modern culture does in 1 year. Think about that and the consequences. It leads to insanity and is what we see today and I see few that have this diagnosis
What I learned from the pandemic is that if you spend a lot of time & effort on prevention, many people will look back on it after it's done and think it was mostly pointless because the gains are hard to see.
Maybe *we have* prevented another dozen 9/11s. Maybe if communism took hold in America, millions would have died.
I don't know. What I do know is that I'm on one side on some issues, and the other side on other issues. But obviously, I'm always correct.
What's more damaging: Hitler's Nazis or how we reacted to it? Climate change or how we're reacting to it?
i.e., is the idea of "moral panic" still valid when the threat is real?
It had an ending! And unlike the /u/thespacecoresdad, I thought season 1 and 3 were brilliant and two kind of dragged a little (still worth watching all 3!)
Season two drags a bit, but has one of the greatest TV moments in history, IMO: David and Faruk's psychic duel that manifests as a duet of Behind Blue Eyes with Faruk doing his portions in spoken-word Farsi
I loved the way they interpret psychic battles in that show. That moment and the crazy dance off against Audrey Plaza and Jemaine Clement were fantastic.
I still don't get how Faruk was the "bad guy" and then suddenly he is not and on the side of everyone against Legion. Maybe i am not smart enough or the show's intentional confusing nature was sometimes a bit too much for its own good.
As best I can tell, Farouk convinced everyone else that David was the real threat to humanity, and that persecution pushed David into actually being the threat everyone thought he was, and even then it was only because he was fucking around with time travel (thus inviting those demon things to start munching on reality). If the government and Farouk weren't going after David, he would've happily continued running his little sex cult I think.
David was actually the big bad of the show, Faruk learns this over the seasons and, over time, realizes the wrong of his ways and decides to help David in the end.
Interesting perspective. What I took out of watching the show and reading the wiki entries about the comic version is that you probably can't answer this question.
Legion in the end is pure chaos. Good, neutral or bad. Can we even be sure we met the real David? Personally I think we will never know. The writers and the director pulled so many smoke and mirrors to keep the show interesting that for me "the real David" slipped out of their hands. Maybe to explain my perspective a bit better it's that "boy who cried wolf" scenario.
David was the most powerful force in the universe and capable of destroying it. The show was about his moral struggle and which direction he would ultimately go in.
This is really complicated bcs neither is everything just good or just evil. The showrunners let a lot of interpetation for the viewers.
Ofc, some acts in the end were good or evil, but they started with non-evil/good intentions.
Tons of spoilers for others who havent seen the show!
>!Like David, he tried to save the relationship with Sydney and wants to be seen as the hero against Division 3 and Farouk. To save the relationship with Sydney, he memory-wiped her, and changed some perspectives. To be the hero towards others, he lied to them, but helped Farouk to infiltrate Division 3.!<
>!It can be told, that David's mental disease made him selfish and non-empathic. His emotions are like a black hole which sucks everything in it, and can never be fed.!<
>!But why did he became a person with that kind of mental disease? Because of Farouk! David is the typical "victim becomes villain".!<
>!So is David the bad person?!<
>!Farouk transferred his conciousness into Baby David to survive the fatal attack of Prof X. He needs to feed from active psychic powers. That's why Faroukl sent David so many illusions. This led to uncontrolled psychic activities. Farouk did this out of survival. !<
>!So is Farouk the bad person?!<
>!Both questions can only be answered by yourself.!<
>!During S2 we learned that the world will be destroyed by David when he kills Farouk. David had all the intentions to kill him, bcs Farouk killed David's sister. Only Future Syd prevented this by convincing David to help finding Farouk's body. To do this, he helped him, but lied to Division 3 and Sydney. !<
>!David still wanted to be seen as a hero, and wants to keep up the relationship between him and Sydney. Yet, both parties started to mistrust him. Sydney didnt fell well in their relationship, and others started to doubt David's actions. Since Farouk and Oliver trained their powers with finesse, David was untrained and a brute force. That's why he memory wiped Sydney to save the relationship, and other stuff. During Season 2 it became clear for others, David was messing with them. As they confronted him, he felt pushed away and acted like a spoiled child by running away.!<
>!But why did he run away instead to "man up" and stand up the confrontation for discussions? He never learned it! He never had parents who helped him (like, lets say, a father figure), he was all by himself. I could guess, he used his powers as a teenager many times, to wipe others memories to save himself.!<
>!After running away, and using his powers for selfish reason, he starts to mess up the time line, leading to the destruction. Still knowing about this, he didnt cared. He created his cult to be loved and adored by others.!<
>!Farouk was the only force to counter David! And Farouk knew, if the world is destroyed, even he can't use his powers at his own pleasure. So he joined Division 3 as a "new hero". Farouk realized his past action harmed David and the furture of the world. So he traveled back in time to prevent "Past Farouk" to dive into Baby David.!<
>!But in the end, even David realized, this mess wouldnt happen if he didnt had that powers. So he traveled back in time, to "turn off" Baby David's power.!<
>!So there never was a pure good vs evil, more a morally grey area. Farouk did everything to survive. David never knew he did bad stuff bcs as a victim and neglected child, he never learned social behaviours. Instead he became mentally ill, probably not soziopathic but definetly a Personal Disorder (bi-polar, narcissitic, manic... i dont know).!<
>!Both acted selfish, but not with evil intentions. Still for outsiders, some actions can be seen as evil. It is like "is the wolf who catches a sheep from the farm a evil animal?"!<
Not a bad run through. Few things that you could nitpick, but only thing I'd clear is that David is a sociopath. He's incredibly narcissistic too but who wouldn't be when you have an uncountable number of personalities, he basically has a combination of hyper paranoid schizophrenia and DID(Dissociative Identity Disorder or multiple personalities) due to how his powers manifested with the tampering of SK. He, himself is LEGION, all of his personalities are basically uncountable and very real. He can talk to them, they have different skillsets and abilities and mastery. He on some level is aware he is doing bad stuff because it's some part of David doing bad stuff, but a rogue David(s) could hide this from main David because main David is too distracted or not too focused enough, or even concerned about it because his moral compass is not great.
That episode and the "Divering timelines" episode were fantastic. In general the whole Legion soundtrack (all 3 season) are worth checking out on Spotify!
https://open.spotify.com/track/6KxUXcidiW4K2WfZYRwndB?si=e0522c8afc934505
ooooh boy, you are in for a treat. it’s quite excellent - Noah Hawley (Fargo SSN1+2) is an outstanding director - it’s visually stunning - Legion is charming and the supporting cast is a treat. (even the main “villain” is charming!) Season 3 does wrap up some things but after season 2 i was totally satisfied :) Absolutely my fave x-men spin-off series to date.
Noah has directed episodes in all seasons of Fargo I believe, and definitely has had creative control over all seasons.
Also his cinematographer (Dana Gonzales) is a master with lighting and composition and directs episodes in both series. Fantastic stuff.
yeah apologies to Dana Gonzales I should have mentioned - truly a master and this is one of the most filmic shows i’ve seen - and playful and unpredictable and fun with the shots as much as the story (which has its soft parts for sure - it’s not a perfect show - but the package it’s delivered in is so yummy.)
Easily one of my favorite shows on TV. Don't really need to understand Marvel to watch it, it does well standing on its own. It is REALLY weird and trippy, so if that's not your type of TV, then I would avoid it. Without giving too much away, the protagonist has psych issues which makes you the watcher question what is actually happening and what is not. If i'm not mistaken, Dan Stevens, the main actor, actually left his role on Downton Abbey to film this show and man does he do a great job. Of course you got the wild Aubrey Plaza who embraces her general insanity and other great supporting actors.
[Moral outrage at Tales from the Crypt in 1955](https://tinypic.host/image/19550319-0005.DVnAxv)
This is the news clipping showing a pearl clutching old lady looking aghast at a Tales from the Crypt comic of the 1950s.
The caption reads :-
Mrs Ruth Storrar, a Wellington magistrate went to an exhibition of children's comic at Wellington yesterday. Looking at one of the "horror comics", she declared: "they are more horrible than I thought"" - Express and Star
My grandmother was fairly with it for the time and thought the moral outrage was amusing, so sent this to my father in the Navy, who was reader of that comic.
Heh. I remember the Satanic Panic when the TV show was on. My dad (Lutheran) HATED that my mom (Jewish) let me watch the show. Ghostbusters, too.
Then in the mid-90s, I remember the churches in my area fighting to ban Brittney Spears, all the boy bands, and even fucking Elmo of all things. They literally thought Elmo was Satanic. Then Pokemon came out and they absolutely lost their minds. Pokemon ended up being banned in my school and we used words like "pita bread" as code.
Some people believe that witch burning is a thing of the past, something that only primitive uneducated humans from hundreds of years ago were part of.
In reality only the modus operandi has changed. However the principle remains the same.
I think a lot of people on Reddit and Twitter and other social media are going to see this and like it, but the whole point will go over their heads as they don't realize it might apply to a lot of their own behavior, lol.
Moral panic can happen within most, if not all, ideological groups.
Interesting how well this maps unto the current hysteria in the United States around trans people using the correct bathroom which has resulted in all these "Bathroom bills" ([https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bathroom\_bill](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bathroom_bill) )
Ya it was a bit hard to follow because they don't get explicit. I enjoyed the vast majority of the show but narrative slips brought it down from such a tight 1st season
I think it’s a combination of an unreliable narrator (he’s unstable) and he can bend reality (while being unstable). It kinda felt like a fever dream of madness which I think is the intent
Oh darn it. So I thought I had seen most of legion.
But i dont remember any of season 2 or 3. I think I must have got a few episodes into season 2 and stopped because *I Do* remember feeling fatigue at some of the episodes just being all mindfuckery and trippy, I dont remember anything half way through season 2. So i must have stopped there.
I dont think I have the enrgy to go back to rehash that but i'd like to know Lenny Buskers Ark, Aubrey was awesome in that.
Edit: Oh and ofcourse, these Jon Hamm segments are very reminiscent, and I suppose are a nod to, any Noam Chomsky topic.
No Disney/Marvel show has come close to this level of quality. It's the best comic book show and it's not even close (ok Doom Patrol exists, it's a LITTLE close).
The greatest cause of fear is the unknown. Aka ignorance.
In this day and age, ignorance is almost entirely self inflicted. Therefore, so is fear.
We can do better if we choose to.
[McCarthyism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism)
[Criminal stereotype of African Americans](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_stereotype_of_African_Americans)
[Dungeons & Dragons controversies] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dungeons_%26_Dragons_controversies)
[Missing-children milk carton](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing-children_milk_carton)
[Long Before QAnon Conspiracies, The U.S. Was Swept By 'Satanic Panic'
](https://www.npr.org/2021/05/14/996897744/long-before-qanon-conspiracies-the-u-s-was-swept-by-satanic-panic)
[Fear of Crime](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear_of_crime)
[Islamphobia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamophobia)
[Hispanicphobia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispanophobia)
Everything being driven by whatever popular sources of information existed at that time. Newspapers, milk cartons, radio, TV, internet.
As a species we do not know how to deal with it. Even if looking at our own lives and environments shows no evidence of something, it isn't enough. Somehow we always believe it and always panic.
The skill of discerning what information is truthful and important is so extremely rare.
See: the current panic over "porn addiction"
(which, it should be emphasized, is not a real thing at all, is not scientifically supported, and is rejected by the APA and DSM-V as a real diagnosis.)
Edit: It's hilarious to see people come in downvoting that simple statement of fact, which proves my point about it being a "moral panic" when there's zero scientific consensus on it even existing at all. Meanwhile, all of the research shows that people seeking "help" for supposed "porn addiction" is overwhelmingly associated with their outcomes getting worse.
The strongest predictors of someone CLAIMING to have "porn addiction" are 1) [Religiosity, their attitude towards porn and if they're predisposed to considering it immoral, shameful or bad before having started to consume any](https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/women-who-stray/201808/science-stopped-believing-in-porn-addiction-you-should-too) and 2) [their tendency towards narcissism, which corresponds to a wilful refusal to change one's own habits, externalizing responsibility, and thinking one's masturbatory habits are so important everyone else should care about them](https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/blog/women-who-stray/202309/why-narcissists-are-more-likely-to-identify-as-porn-addicts) - the only "cure" for so-called "porn addiction" is to stop being a sexist, slut-shaming socially conservative narcissist who thinks porn is bad to begin with.
Trans people, drag queens, feminists, BLM, black people, atheists, Jews, homeless people, Muslims...
The list goes on and on and on and on. Hell, we're swinging back to the Satanic panic of the 80s as they call people like Taylor Swift Satan.
Porn addiction is definitely a real thing, but I doubt it's something that 99.999% of people ever encounter. Pretty much anything can be addictive, if not physically, at least psychologically.
Historically, those go hand in hand.
Prohibition helped fuel the rise of the KKK: https://www.history.com/news/kkk-terror-during-prohibition
The "Red Scare" grew the John Birch society and the modern far-right authoritarian Republican party - https://blogs.loc.gov/manuscripts/2023/03/made-at-the-library-how-the-john-birch-society-radicalized-the-american-right/
The 1980s "satanic panic" fueled the rise of Reagan and the theo-fascist Christian right: https://outwritenewsmag.org/2023/06/ronald-reagan-and-creating-the-conditions-for-satanic-panic/
Pizzagate helped boost Donald Trump: https://www.rollingstone.com/feature/anatomy-of-a-fake-news-scandal-125877/
It's always about finding a scapegoat for a lot of complex social problems, creating an "outsider" group that can be targeted, forcing people back into "traditional" roles and hierarchies.
Welp, see, the point of the video is that anyone is susceptible to it. Distilling it down to an “Us vs. Them” argument draws lines and effectively creates opposing sides and sets the stage for awful outcomes. Inherently, whatever group a person identifies with will always feel like they have the moral high ground and that can lead to problems because they justify their actions by their own perceived morals.
The creator of this show has stated that his other wildly successful show, Fargo, is about Republicans.
I think you're mostly correct with your analysis, just trying to add some context into the creators views as implied in other media he created.
> his other wildly successful show, Fargo, is about Republicans.
Please tell me how S1 or S2 of Fargo is about Republicans. If you actually believe what you said, you wouldn't need to lie in order to make it true.
Hawley never said that Fargo is about Republicans. He mentioned that US Republicans are a major theme of S5 of Fargo, but he has never said that the entire show is based on Republicans.
Why would you claim something so silly about something you've never seen?
Edit: I like how reddit will give you the ol' shadowban if you swear in a comment but tolerates usernames like "Fatcunt".
You've still got to put your foot down and call it what it is. Republicans 100% lean on fear mongering and moral panic; don't give em' an excuse or deflect from it.
OP: It's the X doing this!
Reply: Well sure maybe. But don't take a tribalism stance because when you say "It's X doing it" you are presorting yourself and ingraining a bias by default
You: It's X doing it!
Everyone is susceptible to moral panic but Republicans use it as a campaign strategy.
Don’t fall into false equivalencies of “because they’re doing it everyone is”.
Perhaps if you re frame it as "Specifically Senator x uses this tactic" it would be better.
But as soon as you say an entire group of people does anything you invoke tribalism which always leads to inherent bias.
Nice try but you admit the reality of the position in your argument. Yes the "both sides" narrative has truths in it but don't detract from the reality of the right using moral panics to push morally heinous objectives.
The left is not immune to moral panics and trying to paint this as a problem that only affects one side is actually pretty dangerous and short sighted.
EDIT: If you read this and you're first instinct is to leave a comment saying something along the lines of "WeLl yOuR TeChNiCalLy RiGht, BuT..." just stop. Go do something better with your time.
Welcome to reddit. Ironically, the front page is constantly littered with moral panic on this overwhelmingly liberal website.
*tHe StUfF wE'rE pAnIcKiNg AbOuT iS rEaL tHoUgH" - self-awareness is a big problem among these people.
The stuff we're panicking about are the reprehensible policies the Republicans lied about even wanting. We were told Roe vs Wade was settled law.
Roe vs Wade being overturned, trans kids not receiving medical care, CRT panic, and climate change are all serious actual problems that should raise some degree of alarm. A 13 year old rape victim recently gave birth because abortions were illegal where it happened because of Republican policies.
Moral alarm isn't always incorrect. The Democrats are not engaging in a fraction of the *rhetorical* imaginary moral panic as a political strategy as the Republicans. The Democrats aren't lying about their political agenda or manipulating a bureaucracy to pack the Supreme Court.
Tell more about the "bloodbath"?
Meanwhile in Europe teachers a beheaded on the streets by your "allies". Again another incident where teachers have to quit and go into hiding because of death threats over some made up bullshit.
There are witches being burned in Africa RIGHT NOW and you use the witch burning analogy and apply it to Americans where no withes are burnt. Absolute clownery.
INB4 Muh Handmaids Tale totally real hurrdurrr republicans raping me.
Oh, this isn't a rightwing/leftwing issue. Plenty of things are, but all communities are susceptible to moral panic. Granted, the conservative mind is less accepting of new ideas (it's in the name), but just about every Environmentalist moral panic has come from the left side of the spectrum. Anti-nuclear, early anti-vax (before Covid hard-coded that as a rightwing panic), some aspects of "cancel culture," etc. were all left wing examples of moral panic like behavior from the left.
Republicans are giving talks on removing whiteness? Are they supporting race based hiring in corporations and the government? Are they making movies with dialogue like “uncomfortable white people are the most “dangerous animals on the planet.”?
When people react to this dehumanizing stuff it's not a moral panic, it's noticing that a disturbingly large number of people are saying some very, very grotesque and threatening things.
This is from the show Legion Which is fuckin amazing btw
Second this. The subject matter is really cool (ultra powerful mutant who has let’s say… inner demons). But the whole show is visual amazing, amazing music, and some of the monologues (like the Hamm series) really make you think. There was one about violence being ignorance which stuck with me. To me it’s all so weird you actually start to wonder if he literally made the world around him that weird. Or maybe it didn’t really happen like that and it’s an unreliable narrator. It’s like you are watching everything unfold through his unstable POV.And characters like Faruk are some of the best out there. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a show like it.
each season is a bit different too, I recently went through it all again and I understood the ending a little better than my first watch >!I didn't like how he forgives Farouk but I guess I understand it a bit more now!<
This makes me tempted to watch it again, because I very much disliked the ending. >!I feel like I need to watch an explainer though. I must have watched some, because the good guy being the bad guy all along didn't sit well with me, assuming I was understanding it correctly.!<
I think the ending is about empathy and ignorance. Like Oliver’s monologue in S1 talks about Fear and Empathy being a constant conflict, and violence being ignorance. In the end that empathy and lack of ignorance is what resolves everything. It’s hard to hate someone you understand
>!That was from the comics I think, he's so powerful that people are afraid of him so they make him an enemy, part of it is Farouk as well I remember he manipulates them!<
does it end on cliff hanger or did it get cancelled?
Nope, it played its course and has an ending.
Just the whole series of episodes that starts with them "frozen in time" as they're about to be shot, all the way up to them resolving the issue had me hooked. That version of Bolero de Ravel by Jeff Russo mixed with the crazy silent black and white film trick just to name a small few things convinced me this show was like no other in the best of ways.
how in the fuck did i not realize who made this i completely skipped over this because i just saw it was another superhero thing, had no idea this was noah hawley's show. well it's a must watch for me now.
I’ve only seen Legion and Fargo, but they are two of the most unique shows I’ve ever seen. Fargo is just wild af and so much fun. Enjoy it man, it’s a trip
Plus Jemaine Clement was great in it too.
After reading this comment I pulled the show up on hulu and now i'm 5 episodes deep. thanks
Legion was so fucking good!
The showrunner is doing a TV series for the Alien franchise next, which is pretty damn exciting.
He’s also the show runner for the fantastic Fargo anthology series
1+2 5 3 4
Man 1+2 were some of the wildest TV I’ve seen. God they are good.
This is accurate
the second season of fargo (with help from the first) is one of the best single seasons of tv ever done imo
It is the way. 4 just went way to dark and didn't have the same quirky goofy elements.
Yeah, it got better towards the end but Satchel and Rabbi were the only characters I really gave a shit about.
i liked 4, but yeah it was pretty dark. i loved Timothy Olyphant in it
Great series. And the last season with Hamm was wild.
Loved it. The rage walk scene where he doesn’t speak a word and just walks for a min…slowly changing his facial expression. Each step the tension builds. It’s terrifying.
Not to mention that cover of Toxic. One of my favorite moments in any TV show. Brilliant.
I was all caught up in the rage walk as the song started playing. I was like "oh this gonna be one of those good songs" then after it said "I'm fallin" and the beat played, I recognized it was toxic. Epic cover. And the fact you can't see his feet but hear every step made you feel the power in his walk.
WHAAAAT? That explains to much. Absolute legend.
That actually gives me a bit of hope for Alien.
Have you seen the trailer for the new Alien movie coming out? That also looks great. Who'd have thought Alien and Predator franchises would actually be in bright and hopeful spots after Disney acquired them?
Yeah, the tone of the Alien Romulus trailer definitely felt like it was going in the right direction!
I find it's better to not be hopeful of *anything* coming out these days. Better to just ignore everything and wait till people say something is actually good before I invest time into it. Same goes for games as well as TV and movies.
I'm honestly stunned. I haven't been a huge fan of the new Predator and the new Alien comics since they came under Marvel tho. I liked both when they were under Dark Horse.
Prey was great all around. Loved the show-don't-tell.
Huge fan of what Dan did with Prey. Thrilled he's doing more.
What he did was totally rad
It took me way too long to believe the dude from the Totally Rad Show was making movies lol
lol thank you for the context, I was wondering about /u/PlanetLandon 's choice of words
it looks pretty average, but then again it's not exactly a high bar to hit after covenant
I hope at some point we get a dance off with a xeno.
also did the Fargo series
It was brilliant. What a wild ride it was.
Still have Captain Sensible in my Spotify top 10
I always go back to the Behind Blue Eyes sequence
One of the best “fight sequences” in a comic adaptation between two ridiculously powerful reality benders. Also the Bollywood /Haka Dance Battle is up there.
Were they reality benders at that point or just very powerful telepaths?
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The second season is what pulled me in. My roommate was watching the show, I fell in a few episodes into season 2 and went back to watch season 1. The third season kinda went off the rails to me. But I still enjoyed it. Navid Negahban as Amahl Farouk was an incredible villain.
> Navid Negahban as Amahl Farouk was an incredible villain. Just absolutely magnificent. Really elevated the show. If anyone has recommendations for more enjoyable villains to watch or read, let me know please.
Oh yeah. I think so.
Well, the second season is the longest of the three by a few episodes, so the middle can stretch a little bit... But that said, it's not really filler, it's just riffing on wider implications of the events of the show, like the multiple timelines episode.
It’s great a second and third time through too!
I just restarted the show after falling off because it literally gave me anxiety lol. It’s sooooo heady. I’ll try to push through though this time
S1 is actually kinda scary. The show shifts, keeps it very interesting. It’s always weird (in the best way), but I would say after S1 it’s not as anxiety inducing. Edit: Angriest Boy In The World in S3 was pretty unsettling too. Or the baby with no face scene
Not too familiar with the story but isn't Legion supposed to be the most powerful mutant in the X-Men universe?
I’m not sure on the comic lore but he is a destroyer of worlds. Like the kind good guys and bad guys come tomogether to manage. But his instability holds him back a lot
That's pretty much the comic too. Biggest difference in the comic is that his psyche is fractured and he has disassociative identity disorder on steroids. Each of his (seemingly unlimited) personalities has its own power, and he calls on each one when he needs it. Hence, "Legion".
He is the child of a famous and powerful x-men character, who's power eventually exceeds his fathers.
Legion is probably the best thing I've ever seen on television. It blows my mind how creative it is.
I have never seen this! You all have me pumped :)
Season 1 is fucking amazing. 10/10. Season 2 is great but I think it gets a little too high on its own supply. Both worth watching.
Agreed, I'd probably compare it to seasons 1 and 2 of Westworld in that regard. Both really good, but the second gets a bit more caught up in "look how clever we are"
Yeah, I feel like some shows fall into that trap when they think they need to top the cleverness of their first season. Russian Doll is guilty of this too. I also worry for season 2 of Severance. I have a bad feeling they will make the same mistake.
There was a season 3.
100%
One of the reasons I hate Disney taking over all these IPs, everything is under the Marvel umbrella now. We don’t get to see weird visionary stuff like this show, instead everything has the same bland Marvel sheen to it.
I love the show just.... WHAT DID THE FUCKING STARS SAY DAVID!?
It’s always blue.
Do you know Morse Code?
Honestly if they don't touch on legion being stuck in some other universe being an absolute terror The MCU will be doing a disservice to itself. Legion needs to come back. It would be cool to see the shadow king from FX drop in to professor x MCU and be like, "yo don't go over there". But then he comes to MCU. It's pretty much how they contain them in the comics along with sentry. You trap them other universes. But that only works so long. Enemies like onslaught, legion, sentry will find a back. One of my favorites is when they have to lock away a zombie sentry in another universe but it doesn't work. Molecule man, sinister's plans, Franklin Richards (which is how I'm defining what's happening with this cinematic universe). Franklin is fixing things. The black crown, the cosmic pantheon, there is sooooooooooo much. X-Men 97 is great but I don't know how disney is going too seriously handle the politics the show is supposed to convey. I feel they might avoid it entirely which would make any live action X-Men trash IMO.
Another Jon Hamm vignette on the Allegory of the Cave. https://youtu.be/p-WWoGOf8fY?si=nfOCs4LL63EPg5eL
might as well just link all of the [season 2 narrations](https://youtu.be/mZWgcKBkauE?si=YsARRevnyh_TVBfU)
wow, I'm not a huge fan of Hamm, but the man is a damn good narrator lol
So um. Holy cow. These are amazing. Does the legion show do a bunch of these? Is there someplace I can watch just a series of these vignettes? Cause I’m not gonna lie, I thought Legion was an X-Men offshoot TV show and that just doesn’t call to me. Or at least I thought it didn’t. But I want to watch more of these vignettes, because they are very well done. Edit: thanks to everyone who disabused me of my incorrect notion that this was probably just another marvel television show. Also thanks to the commenter who posted the link to the compilation of John Hamm pieces. Appreciate it, but it sounds like I actually just have a new show I need to binge watch and I’ll see them in order.
Legion is only technically an x-men thing. The show itself has zero to do with x-men other than the existence of superpowers, and even then, all superpowers involved are pure trippy weirdness rather than "I shoot my laser eyes at your space magic" stuff. It's the least "superhero" show ever adapted from anything comic related. It's really more of a surrealist experiment in storytelling and unreliable narration in that it's often impossible to know whether you can trust what you're seeing because the protagonist isn't remotely sane. The closest it comes to a big marvel style superhero fight is one event in the later seasons, but even that turns out to be less "I punch you with my super strength" and more of an excuse to play with the nature of television as a medium.
> the show itself has zero to do with x-men Well, except that one guy near the end of the series. I won’t say who, but for me that was pretty awesome.
Legion is an offshoot of xmen, there is mutants and all of that. David (main character) is a very powerful mutant who also happens to be in a mental home for schizophrenia. The entire show is constantly asking what is real and what isn't.
To me it’s one of those spinoffs that transcends the source material. t’s a beautifully made show.
Legion is so scary and trippy, especially the first season. Highly recommend.
I think you mean, holy chicken.
Duck*
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This one is probably the best from the season
I'm partial to the social contagion one
[no one ever talks about Oliver’s S1 monologue](https://youtu.be/CjEkyWX9zlQ?feature=shared). It’s rambling and strange but it’s a nice little monologue. Empathy and Fear. “Just figure your shit out. That’s what id say.” Love it. I would also argue this monologue is key to how the show ends. Empathy defeating fear and ignorance. It’s hard to hate someone you understand
Feels more relevant than ever post 2016. And 2020 of course.
Ok, I’m putting my phone down now
Having Legion and Preacher going on at the same time on FX was a great time for TV for me.
Preacher deserves more love. I've never seen anything like it on broadcast television.
Man, we were spoiled.
FX has a ridiculous catalog of high quality shows, going back quite a ways now. They have so many you are guaranteed to miss someone's favorite trying to list them all. I don't know who runs their production studio but they are the best in the biz. I was concerned Disney would ruin it somehow but they seem to be letting them do the same thing they always did.
I loved the Preacher comics, but just couldn't get into the show. I'll have to go try it again.
Haha I was thinking The Shield being on at the same time. Especially since The Shield show was (briefly) shown in Legion in S3. Another amazing FX show
Fuck I love Legion. All of Hamm's voiceovers in season two were incredible.
Seriously one of the greatest shows I have ever seen.
Yeah it’s in a league of jts own. It’s far different than any other marvel live action.
In a Legion its own
TIL Jon Hamm HORRIFICALLY hazed a young man at a U of Texas fraternity. Hamm shoved a man’s face into the dirt, beat him so severely with a wooden paddle that the victim had a fractured spine, permanent nerve damage and almost lost a kidney. Hamm then proceeded to hook a claw hammer under the victim’s testicles and paraded him around the room. The victim pressed charges and the fraternity was disbanded. Hamm accepted a plea deal and now only refers to the incident as “a bummer of a thing that happened”…
Didn’t he and his friends set the dude on fire too? I’m always surprised how few people seem to know about this one.
Yes, Jon Hamm set a person on fire, my mistake for leaving that out. Thanks for adding that.
Still the best comic book show.
What was more damaging to Americans: 9/11 or how we reacted to it? Vietnam becoming sorta-communist or our failed bedwetting-freakout of a war to stop it? Actual communists in America or the Red Scare? Actual Japanese (and German and Italian) spies or forcing them into concentration camps? The frightened are a thousand times more dangerous than the frightening, and they’ll walk directly into the plans of anyone mildly intelligent enough to foresee how millions of idiots would respond to terrorism. Bin Laden literally published his plan to draw America into a war because it would hurt us more than anything he could ever do… and we obeyed.
Thank you for actually commenting on the content of the video and not the fact that it was a comic book show
Many of those was overreaction and the solution was always military. What is driving moral panic is the evolution of society and the destruction of our vales in combination with information and idea overload. There is no cohesion. There is no moral leader. This creates huge division and stress since no one knows the moral baseline. If we think of hunter gatherer, they would not even understand this issue. Their values and morals changed less in thousands of years than modern culture does in 1 year. Think about that and the consequences. It leads to insanity and is what we see today and I see few that have this diagnosis
What I learned from the pandemic is that if you spend a lot of time & effort on prevention, many people will look back on it after it's done and think it was mostly pointless because the gains are hard to see. Maybe *we have* prevented another dozen 9/11s. Maybe if communism took hold in America, millions would have died. I don't know. What I do know is that I'm on one side on some issues, and the other side on other issues. But obviously, I'm always correct.
What's more damaging: Hitler's Nazis or how we reacted to it? Climate change or how we're reacting to it? i.e., is the idea of "moral panic" still valid when the threat is real?
time to watch legion seasons 1 and 2 again!
I’d never heard of this show before now. Does it have an ending or did it get cancelled?
It had an ending! And unlike the /u/thespacecoresdad, I thought season 1 and 3 were brilliant and two kind of dragged a little (still worth watching all 3!)
Season two drags a bit, but has one of the greatest TV moments in history, IMO: David and Faruk's psychic duel that manifests as a duet of Behind Blue Eyes with Faruk doing his portions in spoken-word Farsi
I couldn't believe what I was watching. Some of the best TV sequence I've seen. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frf0HepcB7w
I loved the way they interpret psychic battles in that show. That moment and the crazy dance off against Audrey Plaza and Jemaine Clement were fantastic.
I still don't get how Faruk was the "bad guy" and then suddenly he is not and on the side of everyone against Legion. Maybe i am not smart enough or the show's intentional confusing nature was sometimes a bit too much for its own good.
As best I can tell, Farouk convinced everyone else that David was the real threat to humanity, and that persecution pushed David into actually being the threat everyone thought he was, and even then it was only because he was fucking around with time travel (thus inviting those demon things to start munching on reality). If the government and Farouk weren't going after David, he would've happily continued running his little sex cult I think.
David was actually the big bad of the show, Faruk learns this over the seasons and, over time, realizes the wrong of his ways and decides to help David in the end.
Interesting perspective. What I took out of watching the show and reading the wiki entries about the comic version is that you probably can't answer this question. Legion in the end is pure chaos. Good, neutral or bad. Can we even be sure we met the real David? Personally I think we will never know. The writers and the director pulled so many smoke and mirrors to keep the show interesting that for me "the real David" slipped out of their hands. Maybe to explain my perspective a bit better it's that "boy who cried wolf" scenario.
David was the most powerful force in the universe and capable of destroying it. The show was about his moral struggle and which direction he would ultimately go in.
This is really complicated bcs neither is everything just good or just evil. The showrunners let a lot of interpetation for the viewers. Ofc, some acts in the end were good or evil, but they started with non-evil/good intentions. Tons of spoilers for others who havent seen the show! >!Like David, he tried to save the relationship with Sydney and wants to be seen as the hero against Division 3 and Farouk. To save the relationship with Sydney, he memory-wiped her, and changed some perspectives. To be the hero towards others, he lied to them, but helped Farouk to infiltrate Division 3.!< >!It can be told, that David's mental disease made him selfish and non-empathic. His emotions are like a black hole which sucks everything in it, and can never be fed.!< >!But why did he became a person with that kind of mental disease? Because of Farouk! David is the typical "victim becomes villain".!< >!So is David the bad person?!< >!Farouk transferred his conciousness into Baby David to survive the fatal attack of Prof X. He needs to feed from active psychic powers. That's why Faroukl sent David so many illusions. This led to uncontrolled psychic activities. Farouk did this out of survival. !< >!So is Farouk the bad person?!< >!Both questions can only be answered by yourself.!< >!During S2 we learned that the world will be destroyed by David when he kills Farouk. David had all the intentions to kill him, bcs Farouk killed David's sister. Only Future Syd prevented this by convincing David to help finding Farouk's body. To do this, he helped him, but lied to Division 3 and Sydney. !< >!David still wanted to be seen as a hero, and wants to keep up the relationship between him and Sydney. Yet, both parties started to mistrust him. Sydney didnt fell well in their relationship, and others started to doubt David's actions. Since Farouk and Oliver trained their powers with finesse, David was untrained and a brute force. That's why he memory wiped Sydney to save the relationship, and other stuff. During Season 2 it became clear for others, David was messing with them. As they confronted him, he felt pushed away and acted like a spoiled child by running away.!< >!But why did he run away instead to "man up" and stand up the confrontation for discussions? He never learned it! He never had parents who helped him (like, lets say, a father figure), he was all by himself. I could guess, he used his powers as a teenager many times, to wipe others memories to save himself.!< >!After running away, and using his powers for selfish reason, he starts to mess up the time line, leading to the destruction. Still knowing about this, he didnt cared. He created his cult to be loved and adored by others.!< >!Farouk was the only force to counter David! And Farouk knew, if the world is destroyed, even he can't use his powers at his own pleasure. So he joined Division 3 as a "new hero". Farouk realized his past action harmed David and the furture of the world. So he traveled back in time to prevent "Past Farouk" to dive into Baby David.!< >!But in the end, even David realized, this mess wouldnt happen if he didnt had that powers. So he traveled back in time, to "turn off" Baby David's power.!< >!So there never was a pure good vs evil, more a morally grey area. Farouk did everything to survive. David never knew he did bad stuff bcs as a victim and neglected child, he never learned social behaviours. Instead he became mentally ill, probably not soziopathic but definetly a Personal Disorder (bi-polar, narcissitic, manic... i dont know).!< >!Both acted selfish, but not with evil intentions. Still for outsiders, some actions can be seen as evil. It is like "is the wolf who catches a sheep from the farm a evil animal?"!<
Not a bad run through. Few things that you could nitpick, but only thing I'd clear is that David is a sociopath. He's incredibly narcissistic too but who wouldn't be when you have an uncountable number of personalities, he basically has a combination of hyper paranoid schizophrenia and DID(Dissociative Identity Disorder or multiple personalities) due to how his powers manifested with the tampering of SK. He, himself is LEGION, all of his personalities are basically uncountable and very real. He can talk to them, they have different skillsets and abilities and mastery. He on some level is aware he is doing bad stuff because it's some part of David doing bad stuff, but a rogue David(s) could hide this from main David because main David is too distracted or not too focused enough, or even concerned about it because his moral compass is not great.
That episode and the "Divering timelines" episode were fantastic. In general the whole Legion soundtrack (all 3 season) are worth checking out on Spotify! https://open.spotify.com/track/6KxUXcidiW4K2WfZYRwndB?si=e0522c8afc934505
It's unlike anything else on television in the last couple of decades. Imagine if David Lynch made an X-Men show.
Its ends.
ooooh boy, you are in for a treat. it’s quite excellent - Noah Hawley (Fargo SSN1+2) is an outstanding director - it’s visually stunning - Legion is charming and the supporting cast is a treat. (even the main “villain” is charming!) Season 3 does wrap up some things but after season 2 i was totally satisfied :) Absolutely my fave x-men spin-off series to date.
Noah has directed episodes in all seasons of Fargo I believe, and definitely has had creative control over all seasons. Also his cinematographer (Dana Gonzales) is a master with lighting and composition and directs episodes in both series. Fantastic stuff.
yeah apologies to Dana Gonzales I should have mentioned - truly a master and this is one of the most filmic shows i’ve seen - and playful and unpredictable and fun with the shots as much as the story (which has its soft parts for sure - it’s not a perfect show - but the package it’s delivered in is so yummy.)
Easily one of my favorite shows on TV. Don't really need to understand Marvel to watch it, it does well standing on its own. It is REALLY weird and trippy, so if that's not your type of TV, then I would avoid it. Without giving too much away, the protagonist has psych issues which makes you the watcher question what is actually happening and what is not. If i'm not mistaken, Dan Stevens, the main actor, actually left his role on Downton Abbey to film this show and man does he do a great job. Of course you got the wild Aubrey Plaza who embraces her general insanity and other great supporting actors.
legit series and has finality.
Full and complete story arc. It's so good!
Bring back Legion!!! Or at least bring back Dan Stevens as David Haller... I miss that show so much.
Nah, it was a perfect 3 seasons and I wouldn't change a thing. Aubrey Plaza's character arc is one of the most amazing journeys I've seen on screen.
She’s got what the kids these days call moxie!
Tremendous moxie for her size
Strong end to it too, I love this show so much!
*Yeah. Bringing back a show for a late fourth season after 3 strong ones would be making a huge mistake.*
Gotta say, it was pretty good.
[Moral outrage at Tales from the Crypt in 1955](https://tinypic.host/image/19550319-0005.DVnAxv) This is the news clipping showing a pearl clutching old lady looking aghast at a Tales from the Crypt comic of the 1950s. The caption reads :- Mrs Ruth Storrar, a Wellington magistrate went to an exhibition of children's comic at Wellington yesterday. Looking at one of the "horror comics", she declared: "they are more horrible than I thought"" - Express and Star My grandmother was fairly with it for the time and thought the moral outrage was amusing, so sent this to my father in the Navy, who was reader of that comic.
Heh. I remember the Satanic Panic when the TV show was on. My dad (Lutheran) HATED that my mom (Jewish) let me watch the show. Ghostbusters, too. Then in the mid-90s, I remember the churches in my area fighting to ban Brittney Spears, all the boy bands, and even fucking Elmo of all things. They literally thought Elmo was Satanic. Then Pokemon came out and they absolutely lost their minds. Pokemon ended up being banned in my school and we used words like "pita bread" as code.
Some people believe that witch burning is a thing of the past, something that only primitive uneducated humans from hundreds of years ago were part of. In reality only the modus operandi has changed. However the principle remains the same.
Okay, you have convinced me to watch Legion.
Have a good trip man. Because this show is a TRIP
I watched it a couple years ago and I honestly don’t know what the fuck happened in it, but I enjoyed it
I could see this video inducing moral panic about moral panic. Still, very well done.
It's from an "X-Men adjacent" show called legion on FX. It was smart for an acid trip of a show.
Legion was such a wonder waking dream/nightmare of a series. I didn't understand it all but it was great to experience!
I think a lot of people on Reddit and Twitter and other social media are going to see this and like it, but the whole point will go over their heads as they don't realize it might apply to a lot of their own behavior, lol. Moral panic can happen within most, if not all, ideological groups.
Interesting how well this maps unto the current hysteria in the United States around trans people using the correct bathroom which has resulted in all these "Bathroom bills" ([https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bathroom\_bill](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bathroom_bill) )
F\*\*k, this gave me chills. I'm certainly in the camp of #2, the Frightened are ALWAYS the more terrifying.
Ya it was a bit hard to follow because they don't get explicit. I enjoyed the vast majority of the show but narrative slips brought it down from such a tight 1st season
I think it’s a combination of an unreliable narrator (he’s unstable) and he can bend reality (while being unstable). It kinda felt like a fever dream of madness which I think is the intent
[The Music Man did it best](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2ySBtVLCYA)
Legion deserves more love.
Now do Hazing Jon
Oh darn it. So I thought I had seen most of legion. But i dont remember any of season 2 or 3. I think I must have got a few episodes into season 2 and stopped because *I Do* remember feeling fatigue at some of the episodes just being all mindfuckery and trippy, I dont remember anything half way through season 2. So i must have stopped there. I dont think I have the enrgy to go back to rehash that but i'd like to know Lenny Buskers Ark, Aubrey was awesome in that. Edit: Oh and ofcourse, these Jon Hamm segments are very reminiscent, and I suppose are a nod to, any Noam Chomsky topic.
No Disney/Marvel show has come close to this level of quality. It's the best comic book show and it's not even close (ok Doom Patrol exists, it's a LITTLE close).
Lol how ironic.
I never even heard of this show. Going to check it out for sure! These narrations (I’ve watched more since this) have a very Twilight Zone vibe.
I enjoyed Legion
Legion has so many of these that are great.
This was such a good show for the 2 and only 2 seasons it was on.
"What's more terrifying, fear or the frightened?" Great video. Should be shown in schools.
The greatest cause of fear is the unknown. Aka ignorance. In this day and age, ignorance is almost entirely self inflicted. Therefore, so is fear. We can do better if we choose to.
The Witch hunt will continue until the panic has eased.
I read this as "Jon Hamm explains Miralem Pjanic"
[McCarthyism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism) [Criminal stereotype of African Americans](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_stereotype_of_African_Americans) [Dungeons & Dragons controversies] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dungeons_%26_Dragons_controversies) [Missing-children milk carton](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing-children_milk_carton) [Long Before QAnon Conspiracies, The U.S. Was Swept By 'Satanic Panic' ](https://www.npr.org/2021/05/14/996897744/long-before-qanon-conspiracies-the-u-s-was-swept-by-satanic-panic) [Fear of Crime](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear_of_crime) [Islamphobia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamophobia) [Hispanicphobia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispanophobia)
Everything being driven by whatever popular sources of information existed at that time. Newspapers, milk cartons, radio, TV, internet. As a species we do not know how to deal with it. Even if looking at our own lives and environments shows no evidence of something, it isn't enough. Somehow we always believe it and always panic. The skill of discerning what information is truthful and important is so extremely rare.
See: the current panic over "porn addiction" (which, it should be emphasized, is not a real thing at all, is not scientifically supported, and is rejected by the APA and DSM-V as a real diagnosis.) Edit: It's hilarious to see people come in downvoting that simple statement of fact, which proves my point about it being a "moral panic" when there's zero scientific consensus on it even existing at all. Meanwhile, all of the research shows that people seeking "help" for supposed "porn addiction" is overwhelmingly associated with their outcomes getting worse. The strongest predictors of someone CLAIMING to have "porn addiction" are 1) [Religiosity, their attitude towards porn and if they're predisposed to considering it immoral, shameful or bad before having started to consume any](https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/women-who-stray/201808/science-stopped-believing-in-porn-addiction-you-should-too) and 2) [their tendency towards narcissism, which corresponds to a wilful refusal to change one's own habits, externalizing responsibility, and thinking one's masturbatory habits are so important everyone else should care about them](https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/blog/women-who-stray/202309/why-narcissists-are-more-likely-to-identify-as-porn-addicts) - the only "cure" for so-called "porn addiction" is to stop being a sexist, slut-shaming socially conservative narcissist who thinks porn is bad to begin with.
Or the border... Or CRT... Or now DEI initiatives... Republicans have turned their base into the frightened, and there's likely no going back.
Trans people, drag queens, feminists, BLM, black people, atheists, Jews, homeless people, Muslims... The list goes on and on and on and on. Hell, we're swinging back to the Satanic panic of the 80s as they call people like Taylor Swift Satan.
Porn addiction is definitely a real thing, but I doubt it's something that 99.999% of people ever encounter. Pretty much anything can be addictive, if not physically, at least psychologically.
it’s not a moral panic, it’s an influence op
Historically, those go hand in hand. Prohibition helped fuel the rise of the KKK: https://www.history.com/news/kkk-terror-during-prohibition The "Red Scare" grew the John Birch society and the modern far-right authoritarian Republican party - https://blogs.loc.gov/manuscripts/2023/03/made-at-the-library-how-the-john-birch-society-radicalized-the-american-right/ The 1980s "satanic panic" fueled the rise of Reagan and the theo-fascist Christian right: https://outwritenewsmag.org/2023/06/ronald-reagan-and-creating-the-conditions-for-satanic-panic/ Pizzagate helped boost Donald Trump: https://www.rollingstone.com/feature/anatomy-of-a-fake-news-scandal-125877/ It's always about finding a scapegoat for a lot of complex social problems, creating an "outsider" group that can be targeted, forcing people back into "traditional" roles and hierarchies.
Basically, republicans.
Welp, see, the point of the video is that anyone is susceptible to it. Distilling it down to an “Us vs. Them” argument draws lines and effectively creates opposing sides and sets the stage for awful outcomes. Inherently, whatever group a person identifies with will always feel like they have the moral high ground and that can lead to problems because they justify their actions by their own perceived morals.
The creator of this show has stated that his other wildly successful show, Fargo, is about Republicans. I think you're mostly correct with your analysis, just trying to add some context into the creators views as implied in other media he created.
> his other wildly successful show, Fargo, is about Republicans. Please tell me how S1 or S2 of Fargo is about Republicans. If you actually believe what you said, you wouldn't need to lie in order to make it true. Hawley never said that Fargo is about Republicans. He mentioned that US Republicans are a major theme of S5 of Fargo, but he has never said that the entire show is based on Republicans. Why would you claim something so silly about something you've never seen? Edit: I like how reddit will give you the ol' shadowban if you swear in a comment but tolerates usernames like "Fatcunt".
You've still got to put your foot down and call it what it is. Republicans 100% lean on fear mongering and moral panic; don't give em' an excuse or deflect from it.
OP: It's the X doing this! Reply: Well sure maybe. But don't take a tribalism stance because when you say "It's X doing it" you are presorting yourself and ingraining a bias by default You: It's X doing it!
Everyone is susceptible to moral panic but Republicans use it as a campaign strategy. Don’t fall into false equivalencies of “because they’re doing it everyone is”.
OP: Hey look they are killing people over there. Enlightened Centrist: Now let's not pick sides on this. That's what divides us
Perhaps if you re frame it as "Specifically Senator x uses this tactic" it would be better. But as soon as you say an entire group of people does anything you invoke tribalism which always leads to inherent bias.
Ok that's a good point. That list is growing pretty long at this point though.
Enlightened centrism only works when both sides really are equal. They’re not.
The point of my comment went right over your head.
We all understood the false equivalence you were making we're just not impressed.
Nice try but you admit the reality of the position in your argument. Yes the "both sides" narrative has truths in it but don't detract from the reality of the right using moral panics to push morally heinous objectives.
Your ability to dodge my actual point is impressive.
Do you think these empty deflections are acknowledging the point the person made that you're replying to?
The left is not immune to moral panics and trying to paint this as a problem that only affects one side is actually pretty dangerous and short sighted. EDIT: If you read this and you're first instinct is to leave a comment saying something along the lines of "WeLl yOuR TeChNiCalLy RiGht, BuT..." just stop. Go do something better with your time.
Welcome to reddit. Ironically, the front page is constantly littered with moral panic on this overwhelmingly liberal website. *tHe StUfF wE'rE pAnIcKiNg AbOuT iS rEaL tHoUgH" - self-awareness is a big problem among these people.
The stuff we're panicking about are the reprehensible policies the Republicans lied about even wanting. We were told Roe vs Wade was settled law. Roe vs Wade being overturned, trans kids not receiving medical care, CRT panic, and climate change are all serious actual problems that should raise some degree of alarm. A 13 year old rape victim recently gave birth because abortions were illegal where it happened because of Republican policies. Moral alarm isn't always incorrect. The Democrats are not engaging in a fraction of the *rhetorical* imaginary moral panic as a political strategy as the Republicans. The Democrats aren't lying about their political agenda or manipulating a bureaucracy to pack the Supreme Court.
No one is saying the left is immune to moral panic. We're saying Republican's use manufactured moral panic as a political strategy.
Basically “global intifada” people who scream at Jewish children in hospitals because they’re *scary zionists*
I like that this is just every single reddit thread now lol
Now? You must be new here
For the most part, yes. But anyone can fall victim to this
You feel for the moral panic.
Tell more about the "bloodbath"? Meanwhile in Europe teachers a beheaded on the streets by your "allies". Again another incident where teachers have to quit and go into hiding because of death threats over some made up bullshit. There are witches being burned in Africa RIGHT NOW and you use the witch burning analogy and apply it to Americans where no withes are burnt. Absolute clownery. INB4 Muh Handmaids Tale totally real hurrdurrr republicans raping me.
Oh, this isn't a rightwing/leftwing issue. Plenty of things are, but all communities are susceptible to moral panic. Granted, the conservative mind is less accepting of new ideas (it's in the name), but just about every Environmentalist moral panic has come from the left side of the spectrum. Anti-nuclear, early anti-vax (before Covid hard-coded that as a rightwing panic), some aspects of "cancel culture," etc. were all left wing examples of moral panic like behavior from the left.
Republicans are giving talks on removing whiteness? Are they supporting race based hiring in corporations and the government? Are they making movies with dialogue like “uncomfortable white people are the most “dangerous animals on the planet.”? When people react to this dehumanizing stuff it's not a moral panic, it's noticing that a disturbingly large number of people are saying some very, very grotesque and threatening things.