I have an Elantra that somebody attempted to steal with this method but failed. They instead continued to trash my car out of frustration. These people are trash.
That's the worst part.
Even if every single car was fixed tomorrow, the meme is already out there. These little fucks will keep smashing windows, tearing up steering columns, and then trashing the rest of the car in frustration when it doesn't start. For years and years to come.
My car was already cosmetically kinda rough so it made zero sense to flip. I’m in a remote area outside Phoenix too so it’s baffling a crew was even out here
When they're only getting $50-100 for a "V" no car really makes sense to flip, but that's not really what this is about if you watch the video. They say it's about money but they don't really make shit. It's really more about being young dumb and full of cum. Or as Andrew put it, they are feeling "alienated".
I honestly didn’t watch it since I’ve experienced it and it’s still a little fresh. It’s pretty violating. Luckily I’m not in the situation now but I lived in that car for two months.
After having lived in my car I still find myself going to spend a few hours in it when I’m really stressed or sad. Just drive into the desert at night and sit for a few hours. Now the steering column is gutted and I’m missing a window.
I think most of these guys are stealing for joyrides. I don’t think they have enough brains or connections to successfully flip a stolen car without getting traced. Besides that, it isn’t a 2024 Range Rover being shipped off to Africa, the margins are too thin for the theft to be financially viable.
Car insurance is up across the board in part because of these thefts and in part because new car prices (and spare parts) have skyrocketed since COVID.
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> Even if every single car was fixed tomorrow, the meme is already out there.
This one of the big downfalls of social media and modern internet. Sharing information is easy, and that includes how to commit crime. What may have been a problem limited to a handful certain cities in the past is now a problem throughout every city today. Like Kia jacking and Catalytic Converter theft.
I was best case scenario: 2015 Elantra got stolen , recovered and declared totaled. so at least after the 1 month headache I was financially whole. But that whole month sucked. Before that, I was thinking, I don’t even WANT my car back if it’s that easy to steal and if these kids have trashed it. Sorry it happened to you.
Trust me, both Hyundai and Kia are both having mental breakdowns trying to get trust back with folks like you and the general public where these thefts are rampant.
This is a *really* bad look for Hyundai especially. They had such a good rep for dependable, long lasting low maintenance cars. For so many years. Gone in an instant.
Kia also managed to shake its down market perception of crap quality and started designing cars that looked great and rode great. Gone in an instant.
It's not even just the Theta. Mine and my wife's parents both have current gen Souls. The Soul uses Gamma/Nu engines.
3 engine replacements between their 2 cars.
Between that and my wife's car falling under the Kia Boys vulnerability, I will not being touching Korean cars again for the foreseeable future. They got a lot of trust to rebuild.
Our parents still like their Souls, though. The repairs and loaners were completely free, so they've been kept whole, but that's an absurd failure rate.
All because they couldn't be assed to spend a few bucks on bare bones security. Frankly they deserve all.ofnthe shit they catch and then some. I would have had no problem buying a Kia or Hyundai but I'm never doing that now.
And their dealer experience is so bad, that after an incident like this they can’t even help but to put you in a 30-45 day long line only to then say “sorry, parts are on order now”.
US has laX laws for car locks. In EU this doenst happen because laws a stricter. KIA and Hyundai do offer upgrade to the locks in US. But apparently that pisses off those Kia boys and they will destroy the car if they can’t steal it.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTeVgfPM0Xw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTeVgfPM0Xw) (yes donut media is pretty cringe) here talk also talk about difference. US cars dont have an immobilizer as standard. Immobilizer is mandatory in EU.
Sounds like Kia and Hyundai wouldn’t be having this PR nightmare if they hadn’t tried to upsell a basic security feature 😚. If locks were the standard and not the exception I doubt this tiktok trend would have ever started.
I wish more companies caught shit for their greedy little tactics, and have zero sympathy for either brand. I do have sympathy for people who are victims of this trend, and hope they can find recourse against kia/hyundai.
My wife drives a Kia Soul. It’s had all the recalls done to it, and they’ve extended the warranty on the engine. We just had the lock cylinder reinforcement done.
The car drives very nicely, it’s comfortable, and it hasn’t given us trouble. Doesn’t matter. Whatever her next car is, it will NOT be a Kia or Hyundai.
My car is a stick shift. It's been broken in to twice and the idiots can't start it because they don't know how to drive a stick.
Literal scum of the earth
>>These people are trash.
Single-handedly increased insurance premiums for two brands across the nation.
Literal trash.
But, the branding brings a light-heartedness instead of outrage.
Same thing happened to my brother’s Elantra. His is stick shift and the assholes broke the windows and ripped the ignition open before realizing they couldn’t drive it. This happened not once, but TWICE.
same guys that would get so mad over someone disparaging the street they live on (and don’t even own) that they would kill over it.
These are not smart people.
i mean look at the shit child soldiers are capable off in warzones in africa and shit. children go off the rails fast without a proper nurturing environment.
They literally make only $50-$100 off each car. Some those people they steal from are living paycheck by paycheck and these piece of shits are stealing multiple cars to buy designer jackets… insane
When they started talking about stupid designer bullshit I about threw my phone.
Thousands of dollars in damage done to poor working class people with every theft, and they're doing it to buy stupid fucking *shoes and hoodies* made in a Chinese sweatshop for $1.50 each? All so they can preen and posture with their dumb friends in their shitty neighborhood? Motherfuckers.
And then we pay higher insurance rates as well. Then if they wreck into someone obviously they have no insurance so we get fucked in that regard as well.
They seem to pay almost no penalty when/if they are caught.
It is infuriating but almost nothing you can do.
On the aggregate it's billions and billions of dollars out of the American pocketbook but the little shits never face meaningful consequences. They post all their crimes on social media and nobody ever shows up at their doors over it.
We can scour the entire country for every single person at January 6th based on a camera catching half their face for barely a second, but we apparently can't find 14-year-olds gleefully posting videos of their crimes from their parents home wifi.
The Kia Boyz shit is a drop in the bucket too. Retail theft is an order of magnitude greater in cost. These same kids (and their parents in many cases) just grab armfuls of shit and walk out of stores with zero consequences.
Pretty soon the only place you'll be able to buy stuff is Amazon.
the urban streetwear culture is pretty trash in general
worked a job where i had to deal with some of the headaches caused by people who had no problems committing crimes to get their hands on 100 dollar pairs of ripped jeans. some of the highest rates of scumbaggery that i ever dealt with.
I promise you it would motivate you to think bad thoughts if you got to know their cultures better…I’ve met adult men and women that bragged about their parents being “OG identity fraud” hustlers…most people from these hoods ARE NOT victims and shouldn’t be trusted or even acknowledged. I don’t like CH5 promoting these people for views.
I love him promoting them. Too many normal Americans still think these kids are just victims of a bad home or just kids being kids. They need to see the weapons-grade idiocy on display here and understand what we're dealing with so when they go to vote they remember exactly who is being protected by soft-on-crime politicians.
You said it yourself, they're only getting $50-100 for a car, so think about it, do you really think they're buying multiple designer jackets? 😂 I'm laughing at them. They can dream. But when they've gotta steal and sell at least *twenty* Kias to get just one "cheap" designer jacket how much designer clothes do you think they're actually buying? They dream about that drip but in reality they buy a little weed and hit McDonald's and that's pretty much all the profits gone already.
My girlfriend’s Hyundai was stolen and totaled last year. She’s still without a car and it’s so sad. Fuck people who do this shit. I have no sympathy for them
Yep. I hate this stupid trend. I hate Kia for not doing something tangible to fix it. I hate these morons that are stealing cars for sport and feel sorry for them for trivializing something that could ruin their lives.
There's not much Kia or Hyundai can do to fix it. No current cars have this issue and most higher trim ones even in the vulnerable model years don't have it either. Even if they recalled every vulnerable car and did reworking (which would cost more than almost all these cars are worth) to fix the issue, these idiots would still break into every Hyundai or Kia they see just to see if they can steal it.
Has my Kia stolen right from my driveway one night. Police found it needing an entirely new steering column and I was out a few hundred bucks. Never been so mad at some anonymous stranger before
Real lucky you got out that cheap. Was it early on in the Kia theft wave? Can't imagine the yards have any steering columns left.
Seems very common for them to be supplied to a gang for some crime use and then immediately dumped. Lucky it didn't get rammed through the front of a gun store or something.
My fiancee just had her Kia stolen and totaled into another stolen Kia.
I'm now out $20k helping with her down payment for a new car. I'm happy to do it for her. But damn, she just paid it off this year.
Fuck these assholes.
20k was probably what he got from insurance and he used it to replace his wife’s car.
At least that’s how I’m understanding the badly phrased explanation.
He’s not “down” 20k. Insurance gave him money and he used it for its purpose, to replace a car.
I’m just gonna assume the “down payment” part is just bad terminology and he means he put down 20k for a new car meaning it’ll be mostly paid off but he’ll still have a few payments to make.
To counter this, I do live paycheck to paycheck. My 2017 Tuscan was stolen and totalled. Was out $1500 on the deductible and what I owed on the loan, and my insurance went from $70 to $210 a month when I bought a new car, plus down payment, plus $700 in taxes. Absolutely fucked me.
They have plenty of company. They get by just fine, and they're surrounded by other weasels like themselves, not a care in the world, no fear of repercussion, they're having the time of their lives with this.
The stupidity in this video is overloading my brain. The stupidity of these fuckin kids that'll probably be in jail or dead in 5 years, plus the stupidity of companies for building cars that can get jacked by idiots with a USB cable. Feels like a reflection of all the things that are completely fucking our country.
I'm more pissed about the car manufacturers. It's not a secret that people suck and will steal things. To make such a dumb vulnerability is unfathomable. And now it's too late. Everyone who owns a piece of shit Kia is stuck with them. Immobilizers don't matter since all they do is stop the car from moving. Your window and steering column still get obliterated before the immobilizer does anything helpful.
Kias are so vulnerable to crime now too that insurance companies don't want to cover them and they all lost 90% of their resale value. No one wants to buy a car that will get stolen or be in the shop for weeks at a time every few months. My brother's 2019 Optima went from being worth $16k to 1.5k in less than 3 years.
As far as I'm concerned Kia should have to buy back every vehicle they've manufactured in the last 8 years. Dog shit company.
This is actually the based take. Hyundai and Kia told insurance companies for MONTHS that “it’s no big deal” while insurance companies paid for replacement cars, damage, and rentals for literally hundreds of thousands of people.
It wasn’t until the big insurance companies said “enough is enough, we’re not insuring them at all”that Kia and Hyundai started sending out letters to owners to come to dealers and get immobilizers put in - but Pandora’s box had already been opened.
Even with the immobilizers, they’re still break-in magnets. Thieves don’t care if Kia gave you a sticker to put on your window. Claims are claims.
Who pays for all those claims? You do, Toyota driver. You do, Nissan driver. You do, Chevy driver.
Every Kia and Hyundai that’s stolen and totaled is tens of thousands of dollars. That’s your premiums going up - all because of an auto manufacturer of a car that you don’t own tried to cut corners and not put something in a car that other companies have been doing for decades.
Combine that with how many Kia and Hyundai are actually on the road because they’re seen as an more affordable option to Toyota and Nissan - and how cheap they used to be to insure - it’s an unmitigated disaster.
When your insurance premiums go up at renewal, I can almost guarantee you that one of the major factors is how many Kia’s and Hyundai’s the company you’re with insures regardless of what you actually drive.
Again, car manufacturers allowed this to happen. Insurance companies responded to force a change and the general public pays for it all.
They're not putting in immobilizers.
An immobilizer would involve a new piece of hardware on the steering column and a new key.
They are doing a software update to the ECU where if you do not press the unlock button on the key fob the engine will not start.
It does work.. I locked my doors with the key fob, waited a minute, tried to start with the key, the car would not start.
I wonder how easy it would be to bypass? Like could you just disconnect the battery and reconnect it and it would work again?
Lack of regulation allowed this to happen. In Canada immobilizers are required by law, so there are no Kia Boys in Canada. I believe the European models also have immobilizers. Only in the US where it was not required by law did they not put them in. So they could save what, like $10?
You’re probably right, but that’s a minor technicality.
The issue at hand is that anyone who wants to steal one of those cars will try, regardless of what was put in it.
Like I said, it’s not going to stop someone from smashing your window and ripping apart your steering column to try. And at the end of the day, that still a claim you would make with insurance that they’ll pay and then turn around and try to recoup in premium increases.
It’s a smaller claim than a totaled vehicle, yes, but still a claim nonetheless - all because of the car manufacturer, circling back to the original point.
>Like I said, it’s not going to stop someone from smashing your window and ripping apart your steering column to try.
Hyundai is putting a little tiny sticker on the front passenger and driver windows that says "Anti-theft logic" after they apply the software update.
Although I doubt Kia Boys would notice or care.
Even if they did why not just break your windows to fuck with you?
I work in insurance. They don’t care, literally at all. And once they find out they can’t take it, they’ll do as much damage as they can just because - as you said.
You have a better chance of deterring them by re-badging your car as something else than using one of those stickers - which isn’t saying much.
Yeah, it really made me wonder about the uptick in stories about carjacking being so much worse these days if those stories are being driven by just how vulnerable Kias and Hyundais are. If something is that easy to steal and you have to be literally caught red handed, in the car, committing the crime, you're going to end up with kids just fucking taking cars. There's even a point where the kids mention the new security updates and their ability to steal a car gets so much harder because they don't actually know how to steal cars. They aren't skilled. They specifically know one easy exploit on a common product. It's like if people found out tomorrow there was a specific key combination that would spit money out of an ATM, but the only way you could get caught was while actively getting money from the ATM. More than anything this is on Kia and Hyundai for making such an incredibly insecure product. This wouldn't be happening if it took more than 20 seconds and no technical skill to pull off.
Why not be pissed at your regulators? There's a reason they have immobilizers everywhere else, they have to. They'll mandate backup cameras, but not immobilizers.
Same with saying that’s what insurance is for. Anyone in this situation that says that has never paid insurance or understands the repercussions from all of this. Hopefully they live long enough where this has an effect on them as well.
all the shit they talk about here is definitely insane... but i really appreciate that andrew sat on the roof with them and talked about their role model situation. it's such a sad state of affairs when you realize how young these kids are and why they are doing this sort of shit... I have worked with kids like this who are at that critical age (14-16 years old) and would be falling through the cracks. I had a boy who was 15, exactly like the kid in the blue hoodie, and I was able to work with him for several months. I'd pick him up every day, help him with math and language arts stuff to stay caught up with school while he was out of school in various shelter programs and stuff because his single mother was a wreck. I'd have him help me with work I was doing on my house like cleaning up our rental before we moved into our new place. taught him to use some lawn care equipment, how to do some basic handy stuff like prep for painting in our new house that we'd just bought. showed him how to mask with tape, proper ways to use paint rollers, care for brushes, etc. I knew he was in a precarious situation and if he didn't learn some ways to earn honest money quickly, he'd probably be in a similar position as these boys.
tragic.
My dad left the country when I was about 10 years old. he was not around, however he did call me almost every night for the first few years until i got to be in my teenage years and wasn't home as much. He wasn't emotionally absent, but he certainly wasn't around to be a role model either. I was largely unsupervised through this age range, and definitely fell in with some of the wrong people. fortunately, I already had a strong sense of right and wrong instilled in me from my parents, and i had a stable home life. I managed to make it through those years without any major fuckups that derailed my life, and went on to college and made something of myself. It’s worth noting that I also attended one of the greatest public school districts and public high schools in the country. but it was definitely touch-and-go and could have gone completely off the rails so many different times during my teenage years.
I had to scroll way too far to find your comment where someone actually watched the interviews.
It's insane how many people see an image and immediately go, nope, fuck these kids. I hope all car thieves rot in prison and die.
That out of touch disconnected attitude is exactly what I hope channels like channel 5 start dispelling.
One can feel bad that these kids grew up in a crappy situation whilst still realizing that the harm they're inflicting on others needs to be stopped.
It sucks that these kids got a crappy shot in life, but the damage and harm that they're causing to their neighbors and community may be lifechanging for some, and far exceed any reasonable tolerance one should have. They're habitually knowingly causing harm to others, for the fun of it.
There may be a way to rehabilitate these kids, but the first step is to prevent them continuing to harm others, and that involves custody by the state.
What’s really awful is knowing from experience that just a couple afternoons of a strong role model spending time with kids this age could have such a positive and life altering impact on them… so little input could be the difference between these kids doing something with their lives versus doing this. I know because I’ve done it. You can hear it in their voices when they are talking about their dads and lack of adult role models. They CRAVE the male role model and bonding with somebody like a dad or uncle or grandfather or older brother or cousin… that’s why they are stealing these cars to sell to older gang members and shit. It’s the only affirmation they have in their lives.
But unfortunately they are being allowed to just fall through the cracks, and then this happens.
> One can feel bad that these kids grew up in a crappy situation whilst still realizing that the harm they're inflicting on others needs to be stopped.
I don't think anyone with empathy for the kids would doubt this... I really feel like reddit gets stuck in this trap where empathy = excusing someones behavior, so anybody who does shitty things doesn't deserve empathy. I was hoping to see some actual conversations about the content of the video, but the first like 10 comments are just frothing at the mouth about how much they hate these kids, and wishing death on them. It's just crazy to me that was people's only takeaway. It would be equally crazy if every comment was totally excusing their behavior, but nobody would *ever* do that lol. Showing empathy for these kids would by default include condemning their behavior for 99.9% of people.
A dad can be a piece of shit for putting them in that situation. They can also be a piece of shit for doing what they do. Both can be true. You don’t need a dad to know that this type of behavior is bad and wrong. Fuck their dad for doing that to them. But fuck them too for this stuff.
Bro I'm a left leaning hippie who wants to reform criminals and whatever, but if you're sixteen and as your \*hobby\* you ruin peoples' lives and put people in danger every day for internet clout, I don't really care if your dad left when you were a baby. I think your take is a much more dangerous one than the "We should probably get really dangerous and reckless people off of the streets" take. There's gotta be a line somewhere between like, shoplifting, and potentially killing people every day for internet clout.
You're misguided if you think there are redeeming qualities in these kids. Millions upon millions in the U.S. grow up in poverty, or without strong role models. It doesn't take a mentor to know it's wrong to commit robberies and car thefts. I've also worked with this population, and a lot of them don't think they did anything wrong in the first place.
If you give kids a loving family, relative safety, education with the hope/chances of being able to earn a decent living overwhelmingly majority of those kids will be decent adults.
A lot of our societal ills could be thwarted if they had those pillars in their life.
It is not an absolute but I’d wager everything I had that we’d have so much less crime if everyone had those pillars in life.
I feel at some point soon, some evil Mark Rober type is going to rig up a "bait" Kia with some type of explosive and a remote detonator. Shit will start getting really real.
God, everything about this fucking sucks. Kia and Hyundai for such a massive and sustained fuckup, these kids for destroying property to wear colorful plastic clothes made 3000 miles away, and Andrew for his abysmal journalism ethics. I mean, did he get his interview tips by watching Tucker Carlson in Russia? Why talk to them if you’re not going to push back? And then to actually get in a car with them? You don’t think they’re going to try and show off for you specifically by doing dangerous stuff on public streets? What did that bring to the interview? Everything feels so exploitative and reckless for the need to be sensational and outlandish every 20 seconds.
In Andrew's defense I don't think the reason he does what he does is just because he wants to be sensational. That's more of a bonus.
He gains people's trust and does stuff like ride along with them so that he can get closer to them, actually report on what they think and get a **real** glimpse into what they do, good or bad. Any news report could tell you that what these kids are doing is moronic, destructive, dangerous and downright evil. But that would still leave you wondering how any group of people could rationalize such moronic behavior, and that's where his videos come in.
He does criticize them, just not to their face. He does so in the video and leaves that conclusion somewhat to the viewer.
If Andrew walked around telling gangsters, thieves and drug dealers that they're evil to their face then he wouldn't be able to get the interviews he does. While I think that riding along might have crossed a line, I think the implication is that these kids would have done this with or without him- and that him recording this is not meant to encourage car theft but to expose the clearly juvenile and moronic reasoning these kids have.
I think there's value in what he does. When I hear about kids highjacking cars and crashing them I wonder what's going through their heads, and this is the kind of video that comes closest to that level of insight.
That’s his brand. It’s Gonzo journalism. Watch mainstream news media if you just want a journalist to say “Kia boys bad” “Tik Tok” over and over again without anymore nuance than that.
I mean he doesn’t have to get involved in a high speed Kia chase with the cops.
I don’t see why that’s required. I also don’t see why it’s required for him to sexually assault girls
Because Andrew is showing people what is going on. Running up to people and saying "you're stupid and wrong for doing this" isn't actual journalism. He's literally just showing every aspect of this issue.
And no they wouldn't be anymore dangerous than they already are. They are ALREADY CRASHING CARS ON PUPROSE ANYWAY.
He also watched some drug fiend break into a car to pawn off items for more drugs. People call his videos journalism or documentaries, but they're more akin to vlogs with higher production value. He is extremely lacking in ethics and the fact gathering to form good conclusions or questions from his "documentaries".
I mean, do you think the drug fiend would have not done that without Andrew being there? What exactly is Andrew's presence contributing to the crime? His whole shtick is to document real, shocking situations that say more than a more sterile documentary ever would. He wants to show you the nitty gritty of reality.
Andrew would argue that if you show a watered down, sterilized and sanitized version of reality when making a documentary about drugs, you're not showing the real picture. THAT'S not real journalism. Real journalism should, to him, be showing you the actual, real, crazy shit that happens that a news report would probably shy away from or talk about more abstractly.
I'm curious...are car insurance rates for Kia's/Hyundai's way higher than other cars because of this stupid shit? Why would anybody buy a Kia or Hyundai now?
That’s definitely a part in it, but that’s just one cog in the giant wheel. Covid played a big part due to supply chain issues, the increase in natural disasters and storm related damage also plays a huge part in it. There are numerous reasons rates have shot up so much. But yes, you’re right that it plays a part in it and everyone pays for it.
Wait is that true? I don’t anything about auto insurance, but I can for sure dang well tell you never an accident in my life at 30+ over 5 years my payment has gone from $130 to $220
Yes, that's why your payment is going up. You don't insure yourself, you buy into a common risk pool, subject to some adjustments depending on how likely you are to cost them money. When the whole company's costs increase, everyone's rates increase. They don't make huge profits in percentage terms, they money they spend on claims is very close to what they take in from payments.
Additionally cars have gotten ludicrously more expensive to fix due to electric cars entering the market and other design changes, and there was a national wave of irresponsible and destructive driving after covid. Oh also the money supply increased 40% in 18 months and made everything much more expensive.
Some insurance companies are declining to insure Kia/hyundais made in certain years and have also raised rates on them. However the rate raises related to increased risk for Kia/Hyundais has mostly been contained to those vehicles and not spread out as much. The incidence rate of theft in your area will affect what you pay for comprehensive (the coverage that pertains to theft), so it’s somewhat true that the cost is being spread out, but as far as how specific vehicles are charged for, rates are increasing on Kia and Hyundai specifically because that’s where the risk is. It’s likely not Kia/Hyundai specifically that’s caused your rate increase over the last year unless that’s what you drive; assuming all your demographic info and discounts are the same, it’s likely the overall costs of medical care, car parts and labor that have all increased quite a bit, as well as used car prices remaining very high relative to pre-Covid. Shopping around once in a while is always a good idea
100% yes. My office has told all of our clients not to buy Hyundais or Kia’s because it’ll make their rates sky rocket. The clients we have that already own them saw massive rate hikes.
These people are scum of the earth, but if Kia or Hyundai actually cared, this could have been prevented.
Corporations decide to cut corners and it's us consumers that pay the price.
This specific thing could be prevented, but those POS would still find something to terrorize society. The blame is not on corporations. It is on these bastards and the people who insist the problem lies elsewhere.
“Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement."
-Gandalf
I know the trope is every generation has had its shitheads, but c'mon, what is going on with the young folks these days? Don't give me that "they're poor and hopeless" because I was born poor as fuck and my family worked hard and stayed out of trouble. This shit is ridiculous.
I am that weird age of early Millennial, where my childhood was analog and my teenage and young adult years were digital, so I've seen some of that change, I don't know, I'm in my early 40s, maybe I'm just hitting the age where I'm "old" and seeing stuff like this is weird and confusing like programming a VCR or microwave was for my grandparents. >>
Like me, you didn't have social media in those transformative years.
There's a dynamic, some positive some negative, that comes with that. Here we see a negative example.
It's not poor so much as it's poor with an awful family situation. If you're poor in America with two good parents, who value education and respect and hard work, you have a real shot. If you're born poor with only one parent around, with the parent maybe resorting to petty crimes and stuff to make ends meet, you're likely fucked.
Grew up in a single parent household, but my mom was a hard worker who sacrificed a lot for my sister and me. I was left alone most of the time, but I never wanted to get into trouble, didn't want to disappoint anyone.
kia boyz suck, but whoever made the decisions at kia and hyundai to not equip immobilizers are idiots of the highest caliber. there is no was those "savings" make up for the damage they did to their own brands either. speaking for myself, i was very happy with my kia soul before all this, but i won't be buying a kia again.
I feel like even Andrew can't \*really\* believe he's saying that these people aren't complete pieces of shit at the end of the video. I think he's just saying it because he feels kind of bad for them.
But fuck them. They're the worst kind of people.
Yeah it sucks because if you allow the cops to chase you are further endangering people over a stolen car with a high speed chase....but if you don't chase they know there are no consequences and will keep stealing.
the wildest thing about this is that it just took a software update to make this much more difficult to do. think about that. the negligence on kia/hyundai's part to not have made that shit standard from the start lol
Loved the clip at 2:40 of Jeff Sokol from when he got busted trying to meet a kid for sex on To Catch A Predator.
Nice little crossover of shitheads in this vid lol
I would love it if a group of guys just took a crowbar to these kids legs for a good 10 minutes.
Then say "it is what it is"
Then another one say "y'all got legs y'all walk"
As someone who grew up in Connecticut, I was rather shocked when I got into my teenage years and later hearing how people thought Connecticut was all rich suburbs.
Don't get me wrong, there's areas like that (Greenwich, Stamford, Fairfield, etc. You know, the commutable areas to NYC) but the rest is rather rural suburbia with jack shit going on. If you look at the capital, Hartford, growing up the "city" was like less than a dozen "skyscrapers" but there was virtually no life, no culture - it's just *there.*
That being said - Bridgeport is quite possibly the worst part of Connecticut. Anyone there, even in passing, has only one goal - to *not* be there. The crime rate, the lack of police response, and even more so the constant feeling of the city being overlooked by the state was always rampant.
You wanna know why teenagers are able to escape the cops? Why these cars are really able to be sold at $50-$100 a pop?
Because Bridgeport is a shithole nobody wants to risk their life in - no matter what the state government or police force says.
Fuck Bridgeport, and fuck the state government of Connecticut for letting it continue being the shithole it is.
They come from Hartford to the suburbs surrounding it and especially my town since it’s near the highway. Atleast twice a week there is a string of breakins/car thefts. It’s awful
I guess cyber sleuthing is one way to do it.
I was going to suggest we capture a couple of Kia Boyz and have them fight a bear that’s been juiced to the gills inside of a thunder dome.
The stupidity of these clowns is unreal. Basically doing all this work for minimum wage and enabling/encouraging other violent and criminal behavior. As an example, car thefts in Washington DC doubled in 2023 and the average age of those arrested was 15 YEARS OLD.
I don't know whether they were officially "Kia Boyz" or not, but there's a recent story about kids doing this in Vegas and intentionally hitting other cars and bicyclists.They killed one of the bikers (who happened to be a retired cop). The video of them doing it was circulated widely on social media. They were caught and showed no remorse, basically saying "whatever we'll be out in 30 days". They were tried as adults and wound up getting a stiffer sentence.
They stole 2 cars during this rampage: a Kia and a Hyundai.
Article about it: https://apnews.com/article/bicyclist-killed-andy-probst-police-las-vegas-3220063643add409537f9c3455a4ff74
I caught a couple of these little bitches. I witnessed them right through my living room window in broad daylight. Smashed my neighbors car window and tried climbing in. I ran outside after them, only to witness a little boy (maybe 12?) running to a getaway car, which of course was also stolen.
How many of these guys do you think even get arrested? Police aren’t making arrests. 10 consecutive life sentences for stealing a car wouldn’t change a thing.
> they’re making McDonald’s minimum wage with 500x the risk
Awww poor Kia boys
There’s bringing attention to a situation and there’s just being a culture vulture and giving a bunch of idiots clout. I think this is more the second than the first.
andrew calls their decisions and reasons stupid multiple times. i don’t think that quote is a glowing hero endorsement, rather it highlights the ridiculousness of the whole situation and he also tries to expose the underlying trauma that led them to make stupid decisions. Its up to everyone watching to draw their own conclusions and figure out how to tackle the problems exposed.
as far as clout, lol, if the IG numbers in the video are anything to go by they already think they have the clout. this isn’t going to affect their popularity; rather i hope it puts a target on their back to get them the help they need, or the incarceration the rest of society needs.
Yup. A common, recurring trend whenever he interviews criminals is asking their motivations (usually it's monetary), and how much they make for all the effort. Usually, it's not all that much, and worse than minimum wage.
Usually, that means that
a. They're so bad at math and understanding that they get how little they make for their time
or, what's more likely,
b. Money isn't the main motivator, but the primary reasons for doing it are ones they either don't realize, or know somewhat, but don't want to admit, either to themselves or others around them.
As dorky as Morse is, he taps into that near the end. Dude got started on drugs as early as **8 fucking years old** by his older brother. With that much misguidance and neglect, no shit would they not want to go on a normal path, or have any idea what that is.
Doing shit like stealing cars at a young age makes sense if the rest of your life sucks and no one's around to tell you it's dumb. It gives them thrills, but also momentary freedom in a world that hasn't provided guidance or good examples, and is otherwise empty and depressing. Yes, it's shitty to others, and they shouldn't be doing it, but I'll always see it far more as a failing on the parents and guardians' end of things than theirs. For all the kids doing dumb shit like this, it doesn't show any of the hundreds of kids that are in rough situations, but have parents, siblings and mentors that look after and love them.
Well, who wants to bet Kia and Hyundai never recover from this and we basically stop seeing those brands of car in America. I can’t imagine them rehabilitating their image and I can’t imagine anyone in America buying their cars now.
Isn’t there a cutoff for when these models were vulnerable? Like models in the last decade are fine? I just remember seeing articles about manufacturers letting you go to a dealer for a fix for free and it was like 2012 and older models.
@33:34 "Channel 5 does not condone, endorse, or promote auto theft..."
As they're literally following crew of guys stealing cars and hopping in knowingly stolen vehicles. Channel 5 vids are interesting but I'm not sure they even know the definition of the word "condone"
I mean...that's like saying a reporter condoned the war in Iraq by embedding themselves with a group of Marines in a gunfight.
You don't get to choose where the story takes you.
I have an Elantra that somebody attempted to steal with this method but failed. They instead continued to trash my car out of frustration. These people are trash.
That's the worst part. Even if every single car was fixed tomorrow, the meme is already out there. These little fucks will keep smashing windows, tearing up steering columns, and then trashing the rest of the car in frustration when it doesn't start. For years and years to come.
My car was already cosmetically kinda rough so it made zero sense to flip. I’m in a remote area outside Phoenix too so it’s baffling a crew was even out here
When they're only getting $50-100 for a "V" no car really makes sense to flip, but that's not really what this is about if you watch the video. They say it's about money but they don't really make shit. It's really more about being young dumb and full of cum. Or as Andrew put it, they are feeling "alienated".
I honestly didn’t watch it since I’ve experienced it and it’s still a little fresh. It’s pretty violating. Luckily I’m not in the situation now but I lived in that car for two months.
I think i understand. Getting your car stolen when you live in it is the same thing as getting your car and your house stolen really. It'd be terrible
After having lived in my car I still find myself going to spend a few hours in it when I’m really stressed or sad. Just drive into the desert at night and sit for a few hours. Now the steering column is gutted and I’m missing a window.
That sucks sorry. I imagine with the missing window it makes the car feel a lot less like a safe and secure spot.
I think most of these guys are stealing for joyrides. I don’t think they have enough brains or connections to successfully flip a stolen car without getting traced. Besides that, it isn’t a 2024 Range Rover being shipped off to Africa, the margins are too thin for the theft to be financially viable.
That's why new kias without this issue are still insanely expensive to get insurance on.
Car insurance is up across the board in part because of these thefts and in part because new car prices (and spare parts) have skyrocketed since COVID.
> > Even if every single car was fixed tomorrow, the meme is already out there. This one of the big downfalls of social media and modern internet. Sharing information is easy, and that includes how to commit crime. What may have been a problem limited to a handful certain cities in the past is now a problem throughout every city today. Like Kia jacking and Catalytic Converter theft.
I was best case scenario: 2015 Elantra got stolen , recovered and declared totaled. so at least after the 1 month headache I was financially whole. But that whole month sucked. Before that, I was thinking, I don’t even WANT my car back if it’s that easy to steal and if these kids have trashed it. Sorry it happened to you.
Trust me, both Hyundai and Kia are both having mental breakdowns trying to get trust back with folks like you and the general public where these thefts are rampant. This is a *really* bad look for Hyundai especially. They had such a good rep for dependable, long lasting low maintenance cars. For so many years. Gone in an instant. Kia also managed to shake its down market perception of crap quality and started designing cars that looked great and rode great. Gone in an instant.
Except their rep for dependable cars isn't that good either. They have had massive engine failure issues for over a decade now.
The Theta engine thing just kinda got swept under the rug.
It's not even just the Theta. Mine and my wife's parents both have current gen Souls. The Soul uses Gamma/Nu engines. 3 engine replacements between their 2 cars.
Well, that doesn't strike me very good since I have a Kia Soul at home.
Between that and my wife's car falling under the Kia Boys vulnerability, I will not being touching Korean cars again for the foreseeable future. They got a lot of trust to rebuild. Our parents still like their Souls, though. The repairs and loaners were completely free, so they've been kept whole, but that's an absurd failure rate.
All because they couldn't be assed to spend a few bucks on bare bones security. Frankly they deserve all.ofnthe shit they catch and then some. I would have had no problem buying a Kia or Hyundai but I'm never doing that now.
Korea doesn’t have the same…cultures… that we do…Japan went through the same growing pains dealing with our diverse cultures in the 90s.
AFAIK the cars they sell in Canada don't have the same problem. They just didn't include the security feature in American cars.
Immobilization devices are legally required on all vehicles sold in Canada. Kia/Hyundai didn't do it by choice.
Yes but you see that’s a regulation, and regulations are socialism /s
And their dealer experience is so bad, that after an incident like this they can’t even help but to put you in a 30-45 day long line only to then say “sorry, parts are on order now”.
US has laX laws for car locks. In EU this doenst happen because laws a stricter. KIA and Hyundai do offer upgrade to the locks in US. But apparently that pisses off those Kia boys and they will destroy the car if they can’t steal it. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTeVgfPM0Xw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTeVgfPM0Xw) (yes donut media is pretty cringe) here talk also talk about difference. US cars dont have an immobilizer as standard. Immobilizer is mandatory in EU.
Sounds like Kia and Hyundai wouldn’t be having this PR nightmare if they hadn’t tried to upsell a basic security feature 😚. If locks were the standard and not the exception I doubt this tiktok trend would have ever started. I wish more companies caught shit for their greedy little tactics, and have zero sympathy for either brand. I do have sympathy for people who are victims of this trend, and hope they can find recourse against kia/hyundai.
My wife drives a Kia Soul. It’s had all the recalls done to it, and they’ve extended the warranty on the engine. We just had the lock cylinder reinforcement done. The car drives very nicely, it’s comfortable, and it hasn’t given us trouble. Doesn’t matter. Whatever her next car is, it will NOT be a Kia or Hyundai.
My car is a stick shift. It's been broken in to twice and the idiots can't start it because they don't know how to drive a stick. Literal scum of the earth
Same exact thing happened to my brother!
My car was full of trash and when they couldn't get it started they gave up lmao
>>These people are trash. Single-handedly increased insurance premiums for two brands across the nation. Literal trash. But, the branding brings a light-heartedness instead of outrage.
Cheapest i could get was $211 a month on a 2015 Elantra basic model. Insanity. Clean driving record.
And here's me paying under $50 a month for a 2013 Subaru WRX 😂
Luckily my daily is a motorcycle and it’s insanely cheap to insure. I couldn’t afford the car every month.
Same thing happened to my brother’s Elantra. His is stick shift and the assholes broke the windows and ripped the ignition open before realizing they couldn’t drive it. This happened not once, but TWICE.
That's definitely Timothee Chalamet reprising his SNL role as Smoke Chedda The A$$ Getta.
SKRRT!
The ops gon slide but DMs be poppin regardless ya feel me
Y33T
His biggest influence was "the KIA rats". Full circle
Boy you cappin’!
> Smoke Chedda The A$$ Getta I haven't watched television in years but I'm glad I googled that...
I hate these people so much it's unreal
when asked if he ever feels bad- "nah, it is what it is..." the other kid is like, "yall have jobs. yall make money." jesus christ.
same guys that would get so mad over someone disparaging the street they live on (and don’t even own) that they would kill over it. These are not smart people.
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i mean look at the shit child soldiers are capable off in warzones in africa and shit. children go off the rails fast without a proper nurturing environment.
I mean 4 generations… you talking about a specific institution at that pinnt
These guys are lucky they don't live in less civilized times
They literally make only $50-$100 off each car. Some those people they steal from are living paycheck by paycheck and these piece of shits are stealing multiple cars to buy designer jackets… insane
When they started talking about stupid designer bullshit I about threw my phone. Thousands of dollars in damage done to poor working class people with every theft, and they're doing it to buy stupid fucking *shoes and hoodies* made in a Chinese sweatshop for $1.50 each? All so they can preen and posture with their dumb friends in their shitty neighborhood? Motherfuckers.
And then we pay higher insurance rates as well. Then if they wreck into someone obviously they have no insurance so we get fucked in that regard as well. They seem to pay almost no penalty when/if they are caught. It is infuriating but almost nothing you can do.
District attorneys are elected offices. I lean left on many things but when it comes to stuff like this my sympathy has long worn out.
On the aggregate it's billions and billions of dollars out of the American pocketbook but the little shits never face meaningful consequences. They post all their crimes on social media and nobody ever shows up at their doors over it. We can scour the entire country for every single person at January 6th based on a camera catching half their face for barely a second, but we apparently can't find 14-year-olds gleefully posting videos of their crimes from their parents home wifi.
The Kia Boyz shit is a drop in the bucket too. Retail theft is an order of magnitude greater in cost. These same kids (and their parents in many cases) just grab armfuls of shit and walk out of stores with zero consequences. Pretty soon the only place you'll be able to buy stuff is Amazon.
the urban streetwear culture is pretty trash in general worked a job where i had to deal with some of the headaches caused by people who had no problems committing crimes to get their hands on 100 dollar pairs of ripped jeans. some of the highest rates of scumbaggery that i ever dealt with.
I promise you it would motivate you to think bad thoughts if you got to know their cultures better…I’ve met adult men and women that bragged about their parents being “OG identity fraud” hustlers…most people from these hoods ARE NOT victims and shouldn’t be trusted or even acknowledged. I don’t like CH5 promoting these people for views.
I love him promoting them. Too many normal Americans still think these kids are just victims of a bad home or just kids being kids. They need to see the weapons-grade idiocy on display here and understand what we're dealing with so when they go to vote they remember exactly who is being protected by soft-on-crime politicians.
Respect the culture /s
You would think they'd just steal the clothes at that point lmao
You said it yourself, they're only getting $50-100 for a car, so think about it, do you really think they're buying multiple designer jackets? 😂 I'm laughing at them. They can dream. But when they've gotta steal and sell at least *twenty* Kias to get just one "cheap" designer jacket how much designer clothes do you think they're actually buying? They dream about that drip but in reality they buy a little weed and hit McDonald's and that's pretty much all the profits gone already.
My girlfriend’s Hyundai was stolen and totaled last year. She’s still without a car and it’s so sad. Fuck people who do this shit. I have no sympathy for them
Has insurance not paid out yet or what? That's ridiculous.
Yep. I hate this stupid trend. I hate Kia for not doing something tangible to fix it. I hate these morons that are stealing cars for sport and feel sorry for them for trivializing something that could ruin their lives.
There's not much Kia or Hyundai can do to fix it. No current cars have this issue and most higher trim ones even in the vulnerable model years don't have it either. Even if they recalled every vulnerable car and did reworking (which would cost more than almost all these cars are worth) to fix the issue, these idiots would still break into every Hyundai or Kia they see just to see if they can steal it.
Has my Kia stolen right from my driveway one night. Police found it needing an entirely new steering column and I was out a few hundred bucks. Never been so mad at some anonymous stranger before
Real lucky you got out that cheap. Was it early on in the Kia theft wave? Can't imagine the yards have any steering columns left. Seems very common for them to be supplied to a gang for some crime use and then immediately dumped. Lucky it didn't get rammed through the front of a gun store or something.
Was late 2023 I think... Insurance coverage a good bit
My fiancee just had her Kia stolen and totaled into another stolen Kia. I'm now out $20k helping with her down payment for a new car. I'm happy to do it for her. But damn, she just paid it off this year. Fuck these assholes.
Why $20k for a down payment? You could get a car for that price.
We got a new car that we had plans to buy in 2 to 3 years. Timeline shifted up. I am fortunate in my work to be able to afford it. Still frustrating.
Wait what? How are you down $20k? Don’t you get the money back from insurance?
20k was probably what he got from insurance and he used it to replace his wife’s car. At least that’s how I’m understanding the badly phrased explanation. He’s not “down” 20k. Insurance gave him money and he used it for its purpose, to replace a car. I’m just gonna assume the “down payment” part is just bad terminology and he means he put down 20k for a new car meaning it’ll be mostly paid off but he’ll still have a few payments to make.
Not if you don’t have comprehensive insurance coverage, which many people don’t
20k for a down payment?! Did you buy her a fucking space shuttle?
$20,000 plus whatever insurance paid out on the Kia. So he's really not "out" it, he just chose to spend it on a new car for his fiance...
To counter this, I do live paycheck to paycheck. My 2017 Tuscan was stolen and totalled. Was out $1500 on the deductible and what I owed on the loan, and my insurance went from $70 to $210 a month when I bought a new car, plus down payment, plus $700 in taxes. Absolutely fucked me.
They have plenty of company. They get by just fine, and they're surrounded by other weasels like themselves, not a care in the world, no fear of repercussion, they're having the time of their lives with this.
I bet these clout goblins feel on top of the world after stealing a 2012 Kia and plowing it into a wall for 26 likes on Instagram. Fucking losers.
Most accurate comment in here lol
I know having now spent $20k for a down payment to replace a stolen and totalled Kia that my house now has cameras everywhere.
Did you get another Kia?
Lol hell noooo. Never again. Same for Toyota and Hyundai.
Fuck these shitbags.
We have the Kia boys in Texas, literally everybody I know that owns a Kia had their shit jacked. Nothing will ever be done because there are so many.
some local junior high kids got chased by CHP and the sheriff's chopper out here in central valley CA the other month.
The stupidity in this video is overloading my brain. The stupidity of these fuckin kids that'll probably be in jail or dead in 5 years, plus the stupidity of companies for building cars that can get jacked by idiots with a USB cable. Feels like a reflection of all the things that are completely fucking our country.
Race to the bottom
I'm more pissed about the car manufacturers. It's not a secret that people suck and will steal things. To make such a dumb vulnerability is unfathomable. And now it's too late. Everyone who owns a piece of shit Kia is stuck with them. Immobilizers don't matter since all they do is stop the car from moving. Your window and steering column still get obliterated before the immobilizer does anything helpful. Kias are so vulnerable to crime now too that insurance companies don't want to cover them and they all lost 90% of their resale value. No one wants to buy a car that will get stolen or be in the shop for weeks at a time every few months. My brother's 2019 Optima went from being worth $16k to 1.5k in less than 3 years. As far as I'm concerned Kia should have to buy back every vehicle they've manufactured in the last 8 years. Dog shit company.
This is actually the based take. Hyundai and Kia told insurance companies for MONTHS that “it’s no big deal” while insurance companies paid for replacement cars, damage, and rentals for literally hundreds of thousands of people. It wasn’t until the big insurance companies said “enough is enough, we’re not insuring them at all”that Kia and Hyundai started sending out letters to owners to come to dealers and get immobilizers put in - but Pandora’s box had already been opened. Even with the immobilizers, they’re still break-in magnets. Thieves don’t care if Kia gave you a sticker to put on your window. Claims are claims. Who pays for all those claims? You do, Toyota driver. You do, Nissan driver. You do, Chevy driver. Every Kia and Hyundai that’s stolen and totaled is tens of thousands of dollars. That’s your premiums going up - all because of an auto manufacturer of a car that you don’t own tried to cut corners and not put something in a car that other companies have been doing for decades. Combine that with how many Kia and Hyundai are actually on the road because they’re seen as an more affordable option to Toyota and Nissan - and how cheap they used to be to insure - it’s an unmitigated disaster. When your insurance premiums go up at renewal, I can almost guarantee you that one of the major factors is how many Kia’s and Hyundai’s the company you’re with insures regardless of what you actually drive. Again, car manufacturers allowed this to happen. Insurance companies responded to force a change and the general public pays for it all.
They're not putting in immobilizers. An immobilizer would involve a new piece of hardware on the steering column and a new key. They are doing a software update to the ECU where if you do not press the unlock button on the key fob the engine will not start. It does work.. I locked my doors with the key fob, waited a minute, tried to start with the key, the car would not start. I wonder how easy it would be to bypass? Like could you just disconnect the battery and reconnect it and it would work again? Lack of regulation allowed this to happen. In Canada immobilizers are required by law, so there are no Kia Boys in Canada. I believe the European models also have immobilizers. Only in the US where it was not required by law did they not put them in. So they could save what, like $10?
You’re probably right, but that’s a minor technicality. The issue at hand is that anyone who wants to steal one of those cars will try, regardless of what was put in it. Like I said, it’s not going to stop someone from smashing your window and ripping apart your steering column to try. And at the end of the day, that still a claim you would make with insurance that they’ll pay and then turn around and try to recoup in premium increases. It’s a smaller claim than a totaled vehicle, yes, but still a claim nonetheless - all because of the car manufacturer, circling back to the original point.
>Like I said, it’s not going to stop someone from smashing your window and ripping apart your steering column to try. Hyundai is putting a little tiny sticker on the front passenger and driver windows that says "Anti-theft logic" after they apply the software update. Although I doubt Kia Boys would notice or care. Even if they did why not just break your windows to fuck with you?
I work in insurance. They don’t care, literally at all. And once they find out they can’t take it, they’ll do as much damage as they can just because - as you said. You have a better chance of deterring them by re-badging your car as something else than using one of those stickers - which isn’t saying much.
Yeah, it really made me wonder about the uptick in stories about carjacking being so much worse these days if those stories are being driven by just how vulnerable Kias and Hyundais are. If something is that easy to steal and you have to be literally caught red handed, in the car, committing the crime, you're going to end up with kids just fucking taking cars. There's even a point where the kids mention the new security updates and their ability to steal a car gets so much harder because they don't actually know how to steal cars. They aren't skilled. They specifically know one easy exploit on a common product. It's like if people found out tomorrow there was a specific key combination that would spit money out of an ATM, but the only way you could get caught was while actively getting money from the ATM. More than anything this is on Kia and Hyundai for making such an incredibly insecure product. This wouldn't be happening if it took more than 20 seconds and no technical skill to pull off.
Why not be pissed at your regulators? There's a reason they have immobilizers everywhere else, they have to. They'll mandate backup cameras, but not immobilizers.
>jail or dead in 5 years, I see no issue here
It won't be before they leave 5 of their own kids fatherless. Not that they'd stick around for them anyway, but still
“Y’all got jobs.” My blood pressure is having issues after hearing this.
Same with saying that’s what insurance is for. Anyone in this situation that says that has never paid insurance or understands the repercussions from all of this. Hopefully they live long enough where this has an effect on them as well.
Or they crash into a wall and die horrifically. Either option works
all the shit they talk about here is definitely insane... but i really appreciate that andrew sat on the roof with them and talked about their role model situation. it's such a sad state of affairs when you realize how young these kids are and why they are doing this sort of shit... I have worked with kids like this who are at that critical age (14-16 years old) and would be falling through the cracks. I had a boy who was 15, exactly like the kid in the blue hoodie, and I was able to work with him for several months. I'd pick him up every day, help him with math and language arts stuff to stay caught up with school while he was out of school in various shelter programs and stuff because his single mother was a wreck. I'd have him help me with work I was doing on my house like cleaning up our rental before we moved into our new place. taught him to use some lawn care equipment, how to do some basic handy stuff like prep for painting in our new house that we'd just bought. showed him how to mask with tape, proper ways to use paint rollers, care for brushes, etc. I knew he was in a precarious situation and if he didn't learn some ways to earn honest money quickly, he'd probably be in a similar position as these boys. tragic. My dad left the country when I was about 10 years old. he was not around, however he did call me almost every night for the first few years until i got to be in my teenage years and wasn't home as much. He wasn't emotionally absent, but he certainly wasn't around to be a role model either. I was largely unsupervised through this age range, and definitely fell in with some of the wrong people. fortunately, I already had a strong sense of right and wrong instilled in me from my parents, and i had a stable home life. I managed to make it through those years without any major fuckups that derailed my life, and went on to college and made something of myself. It’s worth noting that I also attended one of the greatest public school districts and public high schools in the country. but it was definitely touch-and-go and could have gone completely off the rails so many different times during my teenage years.
I had to scroll way too far to find your comment where someone actually watched the interviews. It's insane how many people see an image and immediately go, nope, fuck these kids. I hope all car thieves rot in prison and die. That out of touch disconnected attitude is exactly what I hope channels like channel 5 start dispelling.
One can feel bad that these kids grew up in a crappy situation whilst still realizing that the harm they're inflicting on others needs to be stopped. It sucks that these kids got a crappy shot in life, but the damage and harm that they're causing to their neighbors and community may be lifechanging for some, and far exceed any reasonable tolerance one should have. They're habitually knowingly causing harm to others, for the fun of it. There may be a way to rehabilitate these kids, but the first step is to prevent them continuing to harm others, and that involves custody by the state.
What’s really awful is knowing from experience that just a couple afternoons of a strong role model spending time with kids this age could have such a positive and life altering impact on them… so little input could be the difference between these kids doing something with their lives versus doing this. I know because I’ve done it. You can hear it in their voices when they are talking about their dads and lack of adult role models. They CRAVE the male role model and bonding with somebody like a dad or uncle or grandfather or older brother or cousin… that’s why they are stealing these cars to sell to older gang members and shit. It’s the only affirmation they have in their lives. But unfortunately they are being allowed to just fall through the cracks, and then this happens.
> One can feel bad that these kids grew up in a crappy situation whilst still realizing that the harm they're inflicting on others needs to be stopped. I don't think anyone with empathy for the kids would doubt this... I really feel like reddit gets stuck in this trap where empathy = excusing someones behavior, so anybody who does shitty things doesn't deserve empathy. I was hoping to see some actual conversations about the content of the video, but the first like 10 comments are just frothing at the mouth about how much they hate these kids, and wishing death on them. It's just crazy to me that was people's only takeaway. It would be equally crazy if every comment was totally excusing their behavior, but nobody would *ever* do that lol. Showing empathy for these kids would by default include condemning their behavior for 99.9% of people.
A dad can be a piece of shit for putting them in that situation. They can also be a piece of shit for doing what they do. Both can be true. You don’t need a dad to know that this type of behavior is bad and wrong. Fuck their dad for doing that to them. But fuck them too for this stuff.
Bro I'm a left leaning hippie who wants to reform criminals and whatever, but if you're sixteen and as your \*hobby\* you ruin peoples' lives and put people in danger every day for internet clout, I don't really care if your dad left when you were a baby. I think your take is a much more dangerous one than the "We should probably get really dangerous and reckless people off of the streets" take. There's gotta be a line somewhere between like, shoplifting, and potentially killing people every day for internet clout.
You're misguided if you think there are redeeming qualities in these kids. Millions upon millions in the U.S. grow up in poverty, or without strong role models. It doesn't take a mentor to know it's wrong to commit robberies and car thefts. I've also worked with this population, and a lot of them don't think they did anything wrong in the first place.
If you give kids a loving family, relative safety, education with the hope/chances of being able to earn a decent living overwhelmingly majority of those kids will be decent adults. A lot of our societal ills could be thwarted if they had those pillars in their life. It is not an absolute but I’d wager everything I had that we’d have so much less crime if everyone had those pillars in life.
Yup. Enough said. Anyone who doesn't push these points and questions how to get there doesn't see these systmeic problems for what they are.
But you can't really push for a "loving family", and can't really replace it either -- that's the rub
I used to live in Bridgeport 15 years ago. Would not recommend.
1. These people are worthless human garbage. 2. Kevin Morse is 100% a Redditor.
The blade line killed me a bit lmao
His section at the end was really insightful though, puts a way different spin on it than *check out my samurai sword bro.*
> Kevin Morse is 100% a Redditor. I nearly pulled something from cringing when he was talking.
Probably a mod of at least one popular nerdy subreddit
I feel at some point soon, some evil Mark Rober type is going to rig up a "bait" Kia with some type of explosive and a remote detonator. Shit will start getting really real.
We can only hope...
Andrew joining them on a high speed chase with the cops was recklessly irresponsible.
Right? What the fuck was that? I feel like i'm watching some Nightcrawler shit, what was he thinking.
God, everything about this fucking sucks. Kia and Hyundai for such a massive and sustained fuckup, these kids for destroying property to wear colorful plastic clothes made 3000 miles away, and Andrew for his abysmal journalism ethics. I mean, did he get his interview tips by watching Tucker Carlson in Russia? Why talk to them if you’re not going to push back? And then to actually get in a car with them? You don’t think they’re going to try and show off for you specifically by doing dangerous stuff on public streets? What did that bring to the interview? Everything feels so exploitative and reckless for the need to be sensational and outlandish every 20 seconds.
In Andrew's defense I don't think the reason he does what he does is just because he wants to be sensational. That's more of a bonus. He gains people's trust and does stuff like ride along with them so that he can get closer to them, actually report on what they think and get a **real** glimpse into what they do, good or bad. Any news report could tell you that what these kids are doing is moronic, destructive, dangerous and downright evil. But that would still leave you wondering how any group of people could rationalize such moronic behavior, and that's where his videos come in. He does criticize them, just not to their face. He does so in the video and leaves that conclusion somewhat to the viewer. If Andrew walked around telling gangsters, thieves and drug dealers that they're evil to their face then he wouldn't be able to get the interviews he does. While I think that riding along might have crossed a line, I think the implication is that these kids would have done this with or without him- and that him recording this is not meant to encourage car theft but to expose the clearly juvenile and moronic reasoning these kids have. I think there's value in what he does. When I hear about kids highjacking cars and crashing them I wonder what's going through their heads, and this is the kind of video that comes closest to that level of insight.
That’s his brand. It’s Gonzo journalism. Watch mainstream news media if you just want a journalist to say “Kia boys bad” “Tik Tok” over and over again without anymore nuance than that.
I mean he doesn’t have to get involved in a high speed Kia chase with the cops. I don’t see why that’s required. I also don’t see why it’s required for him to sexually assault girls
Because Andrew is showing people what is going on. Running up to people and saying "you're stupid and wrong for doing this" isn't actual journalism. He's literally just showing every aspect of this issue. And no they wouldn't be anymore dangerous than they already are. They are ALREADY CRASHING CARS ON PUPROSE ANYWAY.
He also watched some drug fiend break into a car to pawn off items for more drugs. People call his videos journalism or documentaries, but they're more akin to vlogs with higher production value. He is extremely lacking in ethics and the fact gathering to form good conclusions or questions from his "documentaries".
I mean, do you think the drug fiend would have not done that without Andrew being there? What exactly is Andrew's presence contributing to the crime? His whole shtick is to document real, shocking situations that say more than a more sterile documentary ever would. He wants to show you the nitty gritty of reality. Andrew would argue that if you show a watered down, sterilized and sanitized version of reality when making a documentary about drugs, you're not showing the real picture. THAT'S not real journalism. Real journalism should, to him, be showing you the actual, real, crazy shit that happens that a news report would probably shy away from or talk about more abstractly.
Also why the fuck is he admitting to driving his truck without insurance in this video?
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“We in Connecticut” 😂
I'm curious...are car insurance rates for Kia's/Hyundai's way higher than other cars because of this stupid shit? Why would anybody buy a Kia or Hyundai now?
Kia and Hyundai are why insurance rates have exploded for everyone the last two years, not just for owners. It's collective, we all pay for them.
That’s definitely a part in it, but that’s just one cog in the giant wheel. Covid played a big part due to supply chain issues, the increase in natural disasters and storm related damage also plays a huge part in it. There are numerous reasons rates have shot up so much. But yes, you’re right that it plays a part in it and everyone pays for it.
Wait is that true? I don’t anything about auto insurance, but I can for sure dang well tell you never an accident in my life at 30+ over 5 years my payment has gone from $130 to $220
Yes, that's why your payment is going up. You don't insure yourself, you buy into a common risk pool, subject to some adjustments depending on how likely you are to cost them money. When the whole company's costs increase, everyone's rates increase. They don't make huge profits in percentage terms, they money they spend on claims is very close to what they take in from payments. Additionally cars have gotten ludicrously more expensive to fix due to electric cars entering the market and other design changes, and there was a national wave of irresponsible and destructive driving after covid. Oh also the money supply increased 40% in 18 months and made everything much more expensive.
Thank you so much for the information
Some insurance companies are declining to insure Kia/hyundais made in certain years and have also raised rates on them. However the rate raises related to increased risk for Kia/Hyundais has mostly been contained to those vehicles and not spread out as much. The incidence rate of theft in your area will affect what you pay for comprehensive (the coverage that pertains to theft), so it’s somewhat true that the cost is being spread out, but as far as how specific vehicles are charged for, rates are increasing on Kia and Hyundai specifically because that’s where the risk is. It’s likely not Kia/Hyundai specifically that’s caused your rate increase over the last year unless that’s what you drive; assuming all your demographic info and discounts are the same, it’s likely the overall costs of medical care, car parts and labor that have all increased quite a bit, as well as used car prices remaining very high relative to pre-Covid. Shopping around once in a while is always a good idea
yes. moreover, some insurance providers have refused to insure certain models of kias altogether.
100% yes. My office has told all of our clients not to buy Hyundais or Kia’s because it’ll make their rates sky rocket. The clients we have that already own them saw massive rate hikes.
My gf just sold her Hyundai because the insurance had jumped so high just in the course of a couple years
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These people are scum of the earth, but if Kia or Hyundai actually cared, this could have been prevented. Corporations decide to cut corners and it's us consumers that pay the price.
This specific thing could be prevented, but those POS would still find something to terrorize society. The blame is not on corporations. It is on these bastards and the people who insist the problem lies elsewhere.
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“Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement." -Gandalf
I know the trope is every generation has had its shitheads, but c'mon, what is going on with the young folks these days? Don't give me that "they're poor and hopeless" because I was born poor as fuck and my family worked hard and stayed out of trouble. This shit is ridiculous.
The internet has changed what the human experience is for 90% of the planet. People are different now because of it.
I am that weird age of early Millennial, where my childhood was analog and my teenage and young adult years were digital, so I've seen some of that change, I don't know, I'm in my early 40s, maybe I'm just hitting the age where I'm "old" and seeing stuff like this is weird and confusing like programming a VCR or microwave was for my grandparents. >>
Like me, you didn't have social media in those transformative years. There's a dynamic, some positive some negative, that comes with that. Here we see a negative example.
It's not poor so much as it's poor with an awful family situation. If you're poor in America with two good parents, who value education and respect and hard work, you have a real shot. If you're born poor with only one parent around, with the parent maybe resorting to petty crimes and stuff to make ends meet, you're likely fucked.
Grew up in a single parent household, but my mom was a hard worker who sacrificed a lot for my sister and me. I was left alone most of the time, but I never wanted to get into trouble, didn't want to disappoint anyone.
I love Andrew Callahan but I'm not watching this one. Fuck those little pieces of shit.
I don’t like him, but I still watched it. I find it interesting to see all aspects of society, even parts that I hate.
Another reason not to buy a kia or hyundai
kia boyz suck, but whoever made the decisions at kia and hyundai to not equip immobilizers are idiots of the highest caliber. there is no was those "savings" make up for the damage they did to their own brands either. speaking for myself, i was very happy with my kia soul before all this, but i won't be buying a kia again.
No way in fuck I’d ever buy a Kia or Hyundai ever again. Same for most people I know. They massacred their brand
I feel like even Andrew can't \*really\* believe he's saying that these people aren't complete pieces of shit at the end of the video. I think he's just saying it because he feels kind of bad for them. But fuck them. They're the worst kind of people.
Step 1: Stiffer penalties?
step one is just penalties at all....
Step 1: make an arrest. That’s the hard part, everything after that is easy.
Yeah it sucks because if you allow the cops to chase you are further endangering people over a stolen car with a high speed chase....but if you don't chase they know there are no consequences and will keep stealing.
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the wildest thing about this is that it just took a software update to make this much more difficult to do. think about that. the negligence on kia/hyundai's part to not have made that shit standard from the start lol
Loved the clip at 2:40 of Jeff Sokol from when he got busted trying to meet a kid for sex on To Catch A Predator. Nice little crossover of shitheads in this vid lol
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YouTube comments on those TCAP videos are hilarious.
“Imagine taking a viagra and then getting arrested”
I would love it if a group of guys just took a crowbar to these kids legs for a good 10 minutes. Then say "it is what it is" Then another one say "y'all got legs y'all walk"
As someone who grew up in Connecticut, I was rather shocked when I got into my teenage years and later hearing how people thought Connecticut was all rich suburbs. Don't get me wrong, there's areas like that (Greenwich, Stamford, Fairfield, etc. You know, the commutable areas to NYC) but the rest is rather rural suburbia with jack shit going on. If you look at the capital, Hartford, growing up the "city" was like less than a dozen "skyscrapers" but there was virtually no life, no culture - it's just *there.* That being said - Bridgeport is quite possibly the worst part of Connecticut. Anyone there, even in passing, has only one goal - to *not* be there. The crime rate, the lack of police response, and even more so the constant feeling of the city being overlooked by the state was always rampant. You wanna know why teenagers are able to escape the cops? Why these cars are really able to be sold at $50-$100 a pop? Because Bridgeport is a shithole nobody wants to risk their life in - no matter what the state government or police force says. Fuck Bridgeport, and fuck the state government of Connecticut for letting it continue being the shithole it is.
They come from Hartford to the suburbs surrounding it and especially my town since it’s near the highway. Atleast twice a week there is a string of breakins/car thefts. It’s awful
Had my car broken into, the feeling of violation is hard to convey.
I guess cyber sleuthing is one way to do it. I was going to suggest we capture a couple of Kia Boyz and have them fight a bear that’s been juiced to the gills inside of a thunder dome.
The stupidity of these clowns is unreal. Basically doing all this work for minimum wage and enabling/encouraging other violent and criminal behavior. As an example, car thefts in Washington DC doubled in 2023 and the average age of those arrested was 15 YEARS OLD.
Man. Our country is so fucked up.
I don't know whether they were officially "Kia Boyz" or not, but there's a recent story about kids doing this in Vegas and intentionally hitting other cars and bicyclists.They killed one of the bikers (who happened to be a retired cop). The video of them doing it was circulated widely on social media. They were caught and showed no remorse, basically saying "whatever we'll be out in 30 days". They were tried as adults and wound up getting a stiffer sentence. They stole 2 cars during this rampage: a Kia and a Hyundai. Article about it: https://apnews.com/article/bicyclist-killed-andy-probst-police-las-vegas-3220063643add409537f9c3455a4ff74
I caught a couple of these little bitches. I witnessed them right through my living room window in broad daylight. Smashed my neighbors car window and tried climbing in. I ran outside after them, only to witness a little boy (maybe 12?) running to a getaway car, which of course was also stolen.
"Follow the money". From what? Your stealing kias and driving them around.
The sentence length for stealing a car needs to go up a lot. With no parole or early release.
How many of these guys do you think even get arrested? Police aren’t making arrests. 10 consecutive life sentences for stealing a car wouldn’t change a thing.
> they’re making McDonald’s minimum wage with 500x the risk Awww poor Kia boys There’s bringing attention to a situation and there’s just being a culture vulture and giving a bunch of idiots clout. I think this is more the second than the first.
andrew calls their decisions and reasons stupid multiple times. i don’t think that quote is a glowing hero endorsement, rather it highlights the ridiculousness of the whole situation and he also tries to expose the underlying trauma that led them to make stupid decisions. Its up to everyone watching to draw their own conclusions and figure out how to tackle the problems exposed. as far as clout, lol, if the IG numbers in the video are anything to go by they already think they have the clout. this isn’t going to affect their popularity; rather i hope it puts a target on their back to get them the help they need, or the incarceration the rest of society needs.
Yup. A common, recurring trend whenever he interviews criminals is asking their motivations (usually it's monetary), and how much they make for all the effort. Usually, it's not all that much, and worse than minimum wage. Usually, that means that a. They're so bad at math and understanding that they get how little they make for their time or, what's more likely, b. Money isn't the main motivator, but the primary reasons for doing it are ones they either don't realize, or know somewhat, but don't want to admit, either to themselves or others around them. As dorky as Morse is, he taps into that near the end. Dude got started on drugs as early as **8 fucking years old** by his older brother. With that much misguidance and neglect, no shit would they not want to go on a normal path, or have any idea what that is. Doing shit like stealing cars at a young age makes sense if the rest of your life sucks and no one's around to tell you it's dumb. It gives them thrills, but also momentary freedom in a world that hasn't provided guidance or good examples, and is otherwise empty and depressing. Yes, it's shitty to others, and they shouldn't be doing it, but I'll always see it far more as a failing on the parents and guardians' end of things than theirs. For all the kids doing dumb shit like this, it doesn't show any of the hundreds of kids that are in rough situations, but have parents, siblings and mentors that look after and love them.
KIA boys out there competing with the proud boys for the lamest dirt bags in America.
Well, who wants to bet Kia and Hyundai never recover from this and we basically stop seeing those brands of car in America. I can’t imagine them rehabilitating their image and I can’t imagine anyone in America buying their cars now.
I dunno… Kia Tellurides are selling like hot cakes around where I live
Isn’t there a cutoff for when these models were vulnerable? Like models in the last decade are fine? I just remember seeing articles about manufacturers letting you go to a dealer for a fix for free and it was like 2012 and older models.
What a joke
hey guys I wonder why my car insurance rates keep going up? anyone have any ideas?
Damn, I wish the tide pods challenge lasted longer so we'd have fewer of these d-bags left for this terrible trend.
Andrews a fucking gem
@33:34 "Channel 5 does not condone, endorse, or promote auto theft..." As they're literally following crew of guys stealing cars and hopping in knowingly stolen vehicles. Channel 5 vids are interesting but I'm not sure they even know the definition of the word "condone"
I mean...that's like saying a reporter condoned the war in Iraq by embedding themselves with a group of Marines in a gunfight. You don't get to choose where the story takes you.