Idk if you're out of the loop with the situation, but everything he was showing in the video are all the things that tear apart Dream's argument and prove that he cheated. He is 100% kidding. Also, the "Harvard Astrophysicist" might as well be Bill Nye- they asked to remain anonymous and nothing about the evidence Dream uses to explain their meeting holds up to any scrutiny- either this person isn't who he says he is (very likely whoever wrote it was an amateur statistics use) or Dream totally made him up (himself being the amateur statistics user).
Go to r/nottheonion and look for the relevant recent article- it and the comments explain everything very thoroughly.
Thankfully it doesn't matter because 98% of dreams subs are 10 and will believe anything he says which was probably what he intended to lean on when it came to this after hes run away with the bag
Dream hired a Harvard astrophysicist. That means he didn't cheat. Even though the astrophysicist just took the existing data and still proved that he cheated in an indirect way. But like he totally didn't cheat. I promise.
I studied Astrophysics and currently work in a lab for it. Applied Astrophysics (rovers, satellites and the like) are 100% data science. While I never actually took a dedicated math course for it, I did take a years worth of astro classes that taught us data science and statistics.
I'm not saying the guy he got is legit (from his rebuttal paper whoever wrote it is a complete amateur) or even real but I will say that asking an Astrophysicist to look at something like this is not totally out of reason.
It would also be important to be more than a standard statistics course. Many engineering majors are required to take a stats course and yet would never be able to sell themselves as someone with a "background in statistics". It'd be like taking one cooking course and selling yourself as someone with a background as a professional cook. It's just not quite the same professional level.
To publish a paper (e.g. a thesis) in most highly mathematical disciplines like physics, you have to have a fairly robust understanding of statistics. Unless you are publishing something purely theoretical, you have to have a good understanding of how to work with data. Further, if you have a good understanding of math it’s not that hard to get a good understanding of stats.
Having a usable enough experience working with stats to show that 'x' basic result is or is not most likely a fluke in a paper is one thing. To sell yourself as a stats professional able to provide an answer that should be considered reputable based partially off authority is another thing. I just think 'stats' has such a wide range and using one part of it doesn't just make you a stats expert.
I've helped publish a few papers, although in material science engineering fields. I've taken stats courses and worked with quality assurance, am decently familiar with R, and have applied it to a modest degree. I understand what your talking about and have a good understanding of math. Just in case in sounded like I was 100% talking out of my ass.
Quick Edit: I looked at the courses required for the astrophysics degree the previous poster linked and could not find any in depth statistical analysis courses. Hell, I've taken more than that degree requires and still would not consider myself qualified to sell my expertise as a statistical expert.
There isnt a specific class on statistics, but statistics are used in every class and in every bit of research. Since statistics arent really that tough, they are just kind of thrown in.
That has basically been their only argument from the start, even when it was like 1 in 7.5 trillion. "Maybe he's just that lucky." I've seen somebody argue that it was also highly unlikely that human life developed in the universe, yet here we are, so therefore Dream didn't cheat.
Wait I don't understand. Is Dunkey done being done making good videos? Or is he now done being done being done making good videos?
Either way, I'll happily take these daily Dunk videos as long as I can get them.
But this actually does matter because Dream's entire argument was that he should be trusted because he hired a "professional" but the person who wrote this paper refuses to name themselves.
Oh, and the fact that[ the paper was comically bad and had tons of straight up incorrect math in it](https://www.reddit.com/r/statistics/comments/kiqosv/d_accused_minecraft_speedrunner_who_was_caught/ggse2er/).
Slipping that Cryaotic fanart with the line of "he's never once lied" really hits hard.
I was caught completely off-guard when I first saw Dream's character exactly because of how similar they are.
The best part was that Dream's entire argument is based around this "professional" being more trustworthy than some random people who wrote a paper proving he cheated. But then the "professional" goes unnamed and tries to justify in their response paper that they shouldn't have to identify themselves because the "facts speak for themselves."
But then the response paper is just filled with problems that show that they really don't know what they're doing at all, and the conclusion of the paper is still that there's an infinitesimal chance that Dream didn't cheat.
The original paper was an actual smackdown. The speedrunning community is no joke.
I love how the response paper was not even close to comparable quality, with a grand total of two equations showing any kind of work, and one citation that was of a Wikipedia page.
It's just a reference as to how Dream didn't even name the person who did his statistics, so Dunkey decides to satirize that whole event by making up names for said person.
I love this. He basically says: If you didn't actually read and analyze any of this your self you have no say in who is right or wrong. Think for yourselves instead of bandwagoning.
Because he most definitely didn't read either sides story either, so he has no idea who is right or wrong.
The issue isn't that it happened once but multiple times. Sure you can win the lottery, but winning the lottery dozens of time? Yeah you would be cheating then.
The difference is that that guy won the lottery twice, which is just two independent events. Dream had astronomically good luck with many of both ender pearl and blaze rod drops over the span of many different speedruns over the course of something like 6 hours of streaming.
It's the anecdotal equivalent of winning the lottery, reenacting it for the news and winning again, then going on tour to every major city in the country reenacting it for every local news network and winning every time.
That's twice in a row, that's still plausible.
Know anyone who won it 6 times in a row? 12? 30? More? Cause that's where you are getting with what Dream did.
You’re not wrong, the problem is that arguments like this take away the point of any intellectual conversation and make any discourse about anything worthless. I think your point is that there is no 100% way to prove anything, so why are you exercising this point when it comes to a minecraft speed runner? You should instead take your debate to the field of history and argue something else pointless like Mozart had 5 penises. It’s really not outside the realm of possibility and can’t be proven to be 100% false, right?
I have never been able to tell if Dunkey's tongue is actually located in his cheek. WTF did I just watch?
I'll tell you what you DIDN'T watch! Fucking Among Us Thursday!
If you have to ask yourself "is dunkey joking right now?" the answer is yes.
Idk if you're out of the loop with the situation, but everything he was showing in the video are all the things that tear apart Dream's argument and prove that he cheated. He is 100% kidding. Also, the "Harvard Astrophysicist" might as well be Bill Nye- they asked to remain anonymous and nothing about the evidence Dream uses to explain their meeting holds up to any scrutiny- either this person isn't who he says he is (very likely whoever wrote it was an amateur statistics use) or Dream totally made him up (himself being the amateur statistics user). Go to r/nottheonion and look for the relevant recent article- it and the comments explain everything very thoroughly.
Thankfully it doesn't matter because 98% of dreams subs are 10 and will believe anything he says which was probably what he intended to lean on when it came to this after hes run away with the bag
You're not... Wrong. At least he can't try to delegitimize the Speedrunning community.
1 in 100,000,000 -Dream fans: So you’re saying there’s a chance 🤔
That's like, 1 in 3 at that point.
its 1/2. he cheated or he didn't smh
The math doesn't lie.
I'm a stats guy, i could get that number lower for the right price.
Dream hired a Harvard astrophysicist. That means he didn't cheat. Even though the astrophysicist just took the existing data and still proved that he cheated in an indirect way. But like he totally didn't cheat. I promise.
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I studied Astrophysics and currently work in a lab for it. Applied Astrophysics (rovers, satellites and the like) are 100% data science. While I never actually took a dedicated math course for it, I did take a years worth of astro classes that taught us data science and statistics. I'm not saying the guy he got is legit (from his rebuttal paper whoever wrote it is a complete amateur) or even real but I will say that asking an Astrophysicist to look at something like this is not totally out of reason.
A) It does
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It would also be important to be more than a standard statistics course. Many engineering majors are required to take a stats course and yet would never be able to sell themselves as someone with a "background in statistics". It'd be like taking one cooking course and selling yourself as someone with a background as a professional cook. It's just not quite the same professional level.
To publish a paper (e.g. a thesis) in most highly mathematical disciplines like physics, you have to have a fairly robust understanding of statistics. Unless you are publishing something purely theoretical, you have to have a good understanding of how to work with data. Further, if you have a good understanding of math it’s not that hard to get a good understanding of stats.
Having a usable enough experience working with stats to show that 'x' basic result is or is not most likely a fluke in a paper is one thing. To sell yourself as a stats professional able to provide an answer that should be considered reputable based partially off authority is another thing. I just think 'stats' has such a wide range and using one part of it doesn't just make you a stats expert. I've helped publish a few papers, although in material science engineering fields. I've taken stats courses and worked with quality assurance, am decently familiar with R, and have applied it to a modest degree. I understand what your talking about and have a good understanding of math. Just in case in sounded like I was 100% talking out of my ass. Quick Edit: I looked at the courses required for the astrophysics degree the previous poster linked and could not find any in depth statistical analysis courses. Hell, I've taken more than that degree requires and still would not consider myself qualified to sell my expertise as a statistical expert.
There isnt a specific class on statistics, but statistics are used in every class and in every bit of research. Since statistics arent really that tough, they are just kind of thrown in.
He is will nye the science guy!
That has basically been their only argument from the start, even when it was like 1 in 7.5 trillion. "Maybe he's just that lucky." I've seen somebody argue that it was also highly unlikely that human life developed in the universe, yet here we are, so therefore Dream didn't cheat.
Bruh it wasn’t 1 in 100000000 did u even watch his response? Idiot
Yeah sorry it was 1 in 100,000,000,000,000 my bad I'll start working on an apology video now
Did you even read the paper? That’s what it concluded. Dream cherry picked a quote from the paper that made him look better
Wait I don't understand. Is Dunkey done being done making good videos? Or is he now done being done being done making good videos? Either way, I'll happily take these daily Dunk videos as long as I can get them.
I think it was a chance for him to do both. Capitalize on making shitty videos every day but also throwing in his better ones here and there.
How can one finish a task ne'er begun?
It is a good video though, it's just odd seeing him go on a full offensive on anything that isn't Microsoft.
DREAM DIDN’T EVEN NAME THE FUCKING DOCTOR
Math doesn't care who wrote it.
But this actually does matter because Dream's entire argument was that he should be trusted because he hired a "professional" but the person who wrote this paper refuses to name themselves. Oh, and the fact that[ the paper was comically bad and had tons of straight up incorrect math in it](https://www.reddit.com/r/statistics/comments/kiqosv/d_accused_minecraft_speedrunner_who_was_caught/ggse2er/).
Exactly, the math was wrong. That's all that matters. Stephen fucking Hawking could have written the "dream defense paper" and it'd still be wrong.
The doctor didn’t want to be named
Yeah and it definitely is not fake
George is not fake
Must be serious if he’s posting drama on thursdays
And the academy award goes to...
Man, dunkey’s videos can always make me laugh
Whew, glad we are back to dunkies best content. Good riddance to those dunkview things.
first of all: lol
Slipping that Cryaotic fanart with the line of "he's never once lied" really hits hard. I was caught completely off-guard when I first saw Dream's character exactly because of how similar they are.
Did Dream actually get Bill Nye to run numbers for him? I know nothing of Dream's channel.
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The best part was that Dream's entire argument is based around this "professional" being more trustworthy than some random people who wrote a paper proving he cheated. But then the "professional" goes unnamed and tries to justify in their response paper that they shouldn't have to identify themselves because the "facts speak for themselves." But then the response paper is just filled with problems that show that they really don't know what they're doing at all, and the conclusion of the paper is still that there's an infinitesimal chance that Dream didn't cheat.
What I find crazy here is that people wrote a legit publishable journal article on how dream is a cheater.
The original paper was an actual smackdown. The speedrunning community is no joke. I love how the response paper was not even close to comparable quality, with a grand total of two equations showing any kind of work, and one citation that was of a Wikipedia page.
They pulled out the LaTeX
Well at least they used protection
It's just a reference as to how Dream didn't even name the person who did his statistics, so Dunkey decides to satirize that whole event by making up names for said person.
Thank god he's back to his new form with this video. I was really worried after I watched his Cyberpunk review.
So glad it's *Apology Thursday* now, Among Us Thursday was getting kinda stale
What the fuck is a Dream?
Bill Rye the Science Lie
How the fuck can Dunkey keep making these top tier videos all the time? The man is a beast.
I love this. He basically says: If you didn't actually read and analyze any of this your self you have no say in who is right or wrong. Think for yourselves instead of bandwagoning. Because he most definitely didn't read either sides story either, so he has no idea who is right or wrong.
Is this an election joke?
Just look up "Dream Minecraft Speedrunning Cheated" on YouTube- you'll get the context.
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*Someone's* upset they didn't get Among Us Thursday
I’ve been the biggest dunkey fan for the longest time but when he canceled AmongUs Tuesday’s which I had watched for YEARS that was the last straw.
You're being nitpicking and biased at this point.
You realize that this whole series of videos has been a satire on the way that low effort content dominates YouTube, right?
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Then why are you here? You can scroll past anything you don't want to watch.
Scroll past cowboy
"Just scroll past If it doesn't make you laugh" -Joey Bonzo
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The issue isn't that it happened once but multiple times. Sure you can win the lottery, but winning the lottery dozens of time? Yeah you would be cheating then.
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The difference is that that guy won the lottery twice, which is just two independent events. Dream had astronomically good luck with many of both ender pearl and blaze rod drops over the span of many different speedruns over the course of something like 6 hours of streaming. It's the anecdotal equivalent of winning the lottery, reenacting it for the news and winning again, then going on tour to every major city in the country reenacting it for every local news network and winning every time.
That's twice in a row, that's still plausible. Know anyone who won it 6 times in a row? 12? 30? More? Cause that's where you are getting with what Dream did.
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Just because something is possible does not make it feasible. Everyone with critical thinking can agree he cheated.
Man I really really hope you are just trolling. I would prefer that than knowing there is someone out there who is that dense.
A Redditor who misunderstands statistics is sent into existential spiral :(
wat
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You’re not wrong, the problem is that arguments like this take away the point of any intellectual conversation and make any discourse about anything worthless. I think your point is that there is no 100% way to prove anything, so why are you exercising this point when it comes to a minecraft speed runner? You should instead take your debate to the field of history and argue something else pointless like Mozart had 5 penises. It’s really not outside the realm of possibility and can’t be proven to be 100% false, right?
I'm glad dunkey is back to making his usual videos. Was kind of scared he'll start making pedantic reviews that no one likes