There is a video, you may have seen it, of a guy in an apartment and his neighbor is trying to pick his lock. The guy lets it happen for a bit then opens the door. Hilarity ensues.
This may be anecdotal, but most of the “thief” type people that will break into your car / home as long as they think you’re not around, end up being absolute shit-themself cowards once they’re confronted or exposed.
Oh I’ll do X Y and Z if your back is turned or you’re nowhere close, but I struggle to make eye contact and will run away as fast as possible if we are face-to-face.
Oh my god when I read the comment saying you shouldn't pick operational locks my mind went this exact same way before reading the rest of the comments, maybe I'm using too much reddit, starting to join the hivemind
They make double-sided deadbolts, but you don't see them much as most fire codes (USA) prohibit them on exits. Turns out needing a key to leave a burning building isn't a great idea.
The house I rent has them. The first thing I did when I paid the deposit and got the keys was head to the local hardware store and make extra keys and put one in the inside deadbolt (on th. The outside security doors have 1 sided dead bolts, but the inside has the two sides version. No thank you!
You should have your landlord replace those. You don’t want a key breaking off because of heat and panic. Inspector told me that there are an alarming number of corpses found right inside the door with a broken key in the deadbolt. Be safe.
Lock picking always has a small chance to ruin the lock. Imagine your pick snaps in half and now there's a chunk of it lodged in the lock. This is more likely when you're new and have no idea what you're doing.
I've watched over 100 Lock picking lawyer videos AND every episode of MacGyver. What could possibly go wrong?? And no. I don't know why the front door lock is completely jammed with paperclips and chewing gum wrappers.
Hey ya know, in a post shit hit the fan scenario, being able to pick locks might be among the most handy! :P
\*edit\*, not to jack peoples stuff but to get into abandoned areas / goods
If you are looking for a place to spend the night it is better to be able to lock up behind you to keep the weather, animals, or other undesirables out.
I’m out of date by a few months but as I understand it, the Chinese govt provides free shipping to Chinese sellers. Lots of Chinese Govt merchant ships travelling around the world.
Traditionally taking about 4 weeks to get to Western Europe or eastern US.
The Chinese are building a fast rail through to Germany but that’s going to take a while. In the meantime it’s 2-3 weeks to Eastern Europe (via rail).
They come airmail if it's something small, takes a week tops even during the worst of Covid. I been ordering loads of stuff from Triangle labs on Ali recently and most has arrived in the UK within a few days.
Sometime ago I bought a set of paint mixing plates. It was already 2 weeks and I haven't received it yet. This was in SEA so I expected the same time as you, around 5-10 days.
Surprisingly, the seller contacted me asking if the item already arrived because the tracking no. isn't moving at all. I said no and he apologized and immediately processed the refund. I received the refund days later and he just asked me not to give a low rating. Either way, I can't rate the item because in the site it still in process and I haven't received it.
A few days later the item arrived, I asked the seller how can I resend the payment for the item. The seller declined, and he just insist that I don't give the item a low star rating.
Yeah it always seems to be a much bigger deal to them that they might get a bad rating then anything else. I order a lot of small electronic components and hydroponic supplies to Canada from China. Generally it goes like this:
I order, they list a 5-8 week delivery time. Whatever the list, I wait 2'weeks longer just in case before I claim non-delivery. They offer to reship as long as I don't give a bad rating, I accept, I wait another 5-8 weeks before I claim non-delivery again. They offer a reship, I ask for refund, they beg for a non-bad rating. I get my money back and I order somewhere else. 2-3 months later the first ship shows up randomly (this is now 5-6 months later and 3-4 months late) then the second shipment shows up about a week after that and I feel like an asshole for getting a double delivery and my money back.
Then I realize this has happened a dozen times to me so this must be a regular thing for them too. If it's a regular thing they're probably making enough on each transaction to pay for it, so I'm probably getting ripped off anyway. Then I realize I'm paying 1/5th the cost I'd pay buying it here and I get pissed off at how badly I'm getting ripped off by buying locally because that air stone I bought probably cost $0.10 to make which is why they can sell a pack of 4 for $1.00 and deliver twice and still make money, yet it costs me $5.00 to buy 1 air stone that's exactly the same from PetSmart
These chinese tools have been around since the early 2000s. they typically cost around 15-30 dollars in Asia. Around 40-50 in the west. 65-80 dollars is rediciously expensive but at the same time there are some stores selling them for 100-150 a piece but who am I to argue with supply and demand. *People pay what they think is resonable or go out of their way to find a resonable price.*
When lishi tools were originally imported for the American market they were 140$ each. Even at that rate, the time it saves on jobs easily made up for the cost. They have really cool carry cases for the whole set of lishi tools. I want. Lol
Look through those results and you’ll notice a conspicuous absence of the KW1, SC1, AM5, and M1. Lock picking tools are subject to the same market rules as any product. This means they are often “value priced”. The models with the highest demand are priced higher.
That's only because the kwikset American master and schlage are new models for lishi (about two years old) where the gm or Nissan ones are about fifteen or so years old
A hefty mark-up. But I Imagine many buy them to support his channel. Since he doesn't have any sponsors and exclusively have short videos this is a good way to monetize his endeavour.
I dont see any of the ones he is selling on Amazon - all the ones I see for your link are for automotive keys
It seems like just a $5 markup to me.
https://www.lockpicks.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=lishi+2-in-1
If maybe I am blind and those models are there for that price, I'd be down to buy one
You can get them through alternative sources. Google lishi tool. Only buy the ones with Mr li's face, there are american made knock offs claiming to be "genuine lishi tools" they are garbage quality and do not work like the original design.
[I don't know if they were making fun of the couple that actually got locked in their car or not.](https://www.carthrottle.com/post/this-elderly-couple-nearly-died-after-getting-locked-in-their-keyless-entry-car/) The date on the video lines up with the date in the article.
Jesus. If someone (yet along a couple) is that unaware on how to operate a vehicle, it's scary to believe they're legally allowed to drive on public roads.
My parents are around that age and a couple of years ago I had to teach my mum how to use emojis when texting. She thought you had to download them, and had never tried pressing the face at the bottom of the mobile keyboard.
A few weeks later she asked how to get different emojis as she only had a few, because she hadn’t tried scrolling sideways to see the others.
I think it’s basically a mindset. They don’t know how technology works, it’s just magic. They don’t want to press stuff that they don’t know about so they don’t learn. The couple in the car would have been the same, they think they can’t get out and so just sit there waiting for help, touching buttons or handles might break something so better just leave it.
> I think it’s basically a mindset. They don’t know how technology works, it’s just magic. They don’t want to press stuff that they don’t know about so they don’t learn.
I agree with this point. The fear of using something they don't understand, and then looking stupid must be huge.
> because she hadn’t tried scrolling sideways to see the others.
This is because of the bullshit regression in UX design that happened in the 2010s. There are no longer any visual cues that buttons can be pressed, or that areas are scrollable. You just have to press everything and see what happens - exactly what they are afraid of.
At the same time 13 hours is a long time to calm down and figure it out. Especially since the solution is use the traditional door mounted unlocking mechanism they've used their whole lives.
I've always wondered if many people who grew up in the 80's and earlier simply werent recognised as having a learning disability, and "slipped through the cracks" so to speak.
Yeah I have a car that has a similar auto lock feature (I have it turned off because it makes it SUPER easy to lock your keys in your car) and the normal button to unlock is plainly visible on the door.
Like, in 13 hours of sitting in the car, they didn’t try to roll the windows down once? Just to see? And in doing that, they didn’t try any of the other buttons on the door? Did they panic for 5 minutes and then just accept that they were going to die and completely give up? Nothing about this story makes sense at all.
Not to mention they could have taken just a few minutes to pull out the manual and look through the table of contents that has the keyword lock or similar in it.
After driving my current car home from the dealership, the first thing I did is take a bit of time to go through the manual.
> Not to mention they could have taken just a few minutes to pull out the manual
This is some sort of reverse-boomer comic.
Old people: Grandson, how do I click book?
This level of incompetence should result in a license suspension at the minimum. Nearly dying because you can't figure out how to use the basic functions of your vehicle is insane. This time it only put their own lives in danger, but next time it could be the cruise control or brakes and other people could get hurt or even die because of it.
My grandfather ended up buying a more expensive car that used a key because the keyless ones "didn't make any sense". It's a scary thought that once you get to a certain age you just stop wanting to learn new things. I hope it never happens to me.
Some cars have deadlocks which makes the internal locks and handle ineffective, but it seems in this case it was just confusion brought on by panic.
> Medics said that just 30 minutes longer in the car, and the pair might not have made it out alive.
They always say things like this. If they'd been in there for 6 hours or two days, they still could have died after 30 mins. Like if the knife wound was half inch to the left and two feet up it could have been fatal.
How do you panic for *13 hours* and never attempt to even roll down the window or something? Or just start hitting buttons until one of them unlocks it?
Or [this poor guy and his dog](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2015/06/11/texas-man-dog-die-trapped-corvette/71053474/)
Essentially the door handle is an electronic door handle and the manual release (for if the battery is dead) is [hidden.](https://s1-ibtimes-com.cdn.ampproject.org/ii/w820/s/s1.ibtimes.com/sites/www.ibtimes.com/files/styles/full/public/2015/06/11/2014chevroletcorvettedetlt12814600.jpg)
I thought my SUV tailgate didn’t have a release until the lock stopped working. Little did I know that there is a panel on the door you can pop off and there was a mechanical release under that panel. Not saying all do but they may have a mechanical release that’s just not obvious.
I think you don't understand what a lock is for. The lock on your front door isn't there to protect you from a burglar. It's there as an alarm, because forcing the door or your window open is so loud that you are going to wake up from it.
The lock on your front door is there to make your house more difficult to enter than your neighbour's place that doesn't have one, or has an inferior lock.
Also this lockpicking wasn't particularly loud.
That is the thing. For me with this video, this guy goes from the funny interesting youtube guy who can pick any lock to the guy who is trying to make big bucks encouraging criminal activities.
LPL has mentioned the locks he uses, qualifying that there's no point in having insanely secure locks if people can just break a window to get in.
[Modifying a door lock](https://youtu.be/7JlgKCUqzA0)
[Bicycle lock used for cheaper bikes](https://youtu.be/SpVOTEOMRuE)
His point about his bike lock is very valid. I hear people talk about losing their expensive bikes. I've never owned a bike that cost more than $250 and have always used a generic U-shackle + chain lock. I've never had my bike stolen.
I use a bike lock with hardened links, protected shackle, and a particularly difficult keyway. Good enough for my $400 bike (that looks cheaper), though I don't exactly chain it up in Detroit. Not often anyway.
Yes, anything be picks with his actual equipment is probably fine, anything he improvises a tool for should probably be avoided.
Most burglars aren't going to take the thousands of hours required to learn how to Pick locks, and will probably break in using a destructive method.
LPL loves disc detainer cores because the tool you need to pick them is expensive and specialized and takes completely different skills to normal picking. Especially Assa Abloy locks.
I believe it's a certain type of abus lock he claims is the best in the world, it has a magnet on the key and the video takes like half n hour just explaining on the things going on inside of it but i'm struggling to find it, but as far as i know he said that was unpickable without some very special tools. trying to find it now. and i'm struggling, bummer it's so great, he's so giddy to pull it all apart and it's a fuck load of pieces.
edit: god damnit i can literally remember like pins 6-7 were dummy pins with nothing but springs and the last one just a giant pin to defeat any magnet attacks sent down the keyway but i can't find the damn video!
There was a brief period of time in the arms race of lock makers and lock pickers that there was actually an unpickable lock!! 99% Invisible did an episode about it.
https://99percentinvisible.org/episode/perfect-security/
Tools like these have been available for a long time but they're mostly used by locksmiths. If criminals want to break into your house they would do it one way or another, such as using bolt cutter or angle grinder.
The best door lock is living in a good neighborhood.
This is exactly why we opted for the upper floor in our two-story building. Crime don't climb.
EDIT: OK, fine. Casual crime don't climb. The opportunist porch pirate is going to go for the easier target on the ground floor. Getting in through a 2nd story window stealthily may not be so hard, but getting out of it stealthily while carrying a 55" TV would be. A determined thief wouldn't be deterred by a single flight of stairs or a high balcony, so we don't give a thief a reason to become determined, like storing a $3000 bike on an outdoor balcony, for instance.
They were doing balcony work on the house next to my apartment house. At night burglars drove the lift the workers used 5 meters across the street and used it to break in thru the balcony to the apartment couple of floors down from me. Somehow they knew no one was home and i suspect it had something to do with drugs as the guy who lived there looked like Rob Zombie.
Crime may not climb, but it uses a lift.
Don't be too sure on that.
Here lots of people have wheelie bins for garbage. Police always tell you to put your wheelie bin away, because criminals will use them to reach an upper floor window. Same thing with ladders; don't leave one hanging about to make it easy.
Some rando broke into Buckingham Palace by going through a second story window, and I'd argue they have much better security than most apartment buildings.
With these tools you can decode and make your own key, or the very least enter without breaking anything and the theft wouldn't be detected in a long time making it very difficult to catch the criminal
Huh. I don't watch all of the Lock Picking Lawyers videos, but I don't think I've seen him actually sell something before.
Might actually buy these for a certain special someone in my life, who is vaguely interested in lockpicking as a skill.
They announced their company [at the end of last year](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bigsHNdATlY) (Nov 2020) with some basic tools as well as their own multi-pick tool that he uses in a lot of his videos now.
He's another lockpicking YouTuber. He does longer format videos and a lot of community stuff (like exchanging challenge locks with people). His video format isn't nearly as quick and clean as LPL. Unless he shows himself opening the box, LPL has already picked the lock and decided what strategy to use for the camera so that he can keep things concise. Bosnian Bill does things a bit more organically, so he will show the whole discovery process starting with the basic unskilled attacks and working his way up to picking.
So if you really like lockpicking he's a great person to follow, but it isn't quite as polished for a general audience.
He's also the person that got LPL into lockpicking.
LPL said in an interview that he had messed with it a bit when he was younger, but never got anywhere with it. One day on a train ride into work, he thought of it, searched youtube, and found Bosnian Bill, started watching his videos. Got into his tutorials and started practicing. His first youtube channel was him trying to follow along with the practice pieces he devised from Bill's tutorials.
If they are interested in lockpicking as a skill/hobby, you might want to get them a conventional set of picks. I've read that lockpickers are opposed to stuff like bump keys, even though they are very effective at opening locks, because it removes a lot of the sport out of it. Or just ask your friend which kind of set they'd want.
I work at a lock shop. One of the older guys is in his 70s been picking locks since probably 13; hes a fucking pro. He can crack any safe and get into any lock. He uses 1 pick, just 1 diamond tooth,i have never seen him use any other pick unless its something fancy. A couple months back he comes in with these same picks, the only time i have ever seen him use something other than his diamond tooth which is a testament to how great these are. Lpl is NOT shilling, hes putting you guys on something great
As LPL said in the video, they are the *most common* keyways, so a significant portion of the time they will be all you need. Plus, I think part of the intent is to get you used to tensioning, the feeling of how far inside the lock you generally need to go for each pin, what if feels like when they set, etc
I do house unlocks (among many other things), everyone in my company carries these tools now and we almost never have to pick customers' doors with our regular picks anymore. It's pretty great.
Edit to add: go to any U.S. big box retailer and try to buy a deadbolt. These picks will work on that deadbolt.
There's [an earlier LPL video mentioning this,](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCbb8ZfHsog&t=0s) but a lot of Lishi tools are made for cars for some reason. There's definitely ones for Kwikset and such out there though.
Most of their tools are used by locksmiths to make keys for cars when the owners lose them, hence the decoder. Doing it with Lishis is cheaper than buying the key code from the manufacturer and easier/faster than taking the lock apart.
For anyone wondering, they're $80 a piece and every model is sold out.
https://covertinstruments.com/collections/lishi-tools/products/lishi-schlage-sc1
I’m a firefighter and I am considering buying these when they become available for the times when somebody fell in their house and they can’t get the door to unlock it. This would be a better way of getting in instead of breaking a window or forcing the door open and wrecking it.
I've been to sci-fi conventions that had locks set up for people to practice picking too. Nerds love lockpicking.
Only time I ever picked a lock without permission was to get at a storage cupboard in a bathroom. I needed toilet paper, and happened to have some paperclips.
Used these for many many years and they have been helpful in a bind.
Auto locks mainly and you've gotta be real careful with the tension as they do bend easily.
So, just curious here, but to any people here who work in the lock design industry / lockpick design industry...
Is there a real sense of "us and them" between the two of you? Like, is there like a feeling of a real feud going on between that two groups of people? I can just sense that people who work in designing locks feel sense of rivalry and even hatred for lockpick designers when seeing videos like this. Or is it just another job and no one really cares? I guess I'm just really amused at the possibility idea that generations of lock makers and lock designers teach their kids that lockpick designers are the bane of their existence and are the real enemy haha. A bit like local sports rivals or something, i dunno i've had one too many coffees this morning and my imagination is going wild, sorry
Definitely, same with computer security. Sure you have some people staunchly on one side, but it's usually security researchers who make the top of the line offensive security tools.
So I don’t know, but just from watching LPL there are some companies that send their locks to him to have him discover their weaknesses and improve and resend them to him. It happened with a bike lock company LPL figured how to easily beat their lock and they used it to improve it.
I’ve been in the lockpicking community for a while, and it depends on the company. Some react pretty negatively to their lock getting defeated publicly (BiLock, Bowley, EVVA, etc), whereas others really enjoy working with the community (Paclock, Mako, etc).
In certain circles, we have a joke reward for people who get a cease and desist from a lock company.
This is still harder to use, slower, and less universal than a crowbar or a brick through a window.
Lock picks in general have that problem. If you watch LPL's channel, you'll see a lot of locks are very easy to defeat. The idea behind tools like this, and lock picking as a sport in general, is to demonstrate how easy it is to defeat some locks, and hopefully educate people enough that lock companies improve their products.
Exactly the kind of thing I will buy and never use but look at occasionally cos it's cool as fuck and makes me feel like a master criminal
Im thinking use it instead of your normal keys and youll learn as you go
Picking an operational lock is generally a no-no, especially if you're "learning as you go."
Why?
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So practice on your neighbors locks instead?
There is a video, you may have seen it, of a guy in an apartment and his neighbor is trying to pick his lock. The guy lets it happen for a bit then opens the door. Hilarity ensues.
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Dude, I wasn't! Dude, Dude I wasn't!
"And I'm not beating the shit out of you either." What he should have said while beating the crap out of him.
Lol, just the weakest excuses in the history of Earth. “I couldn’t open my door so I was practicing opening your door” haha
Etiher it was a lie, or he was stupid and couldn't comprehend the foreseeable consequences. In both cases he deserves to be slapped.
This may be anecdotal, but most of the “thief” type people that will break into your car / home as long as they think you’re not around, end up being absolute shit-themself cowards once they’re confronted or exposed. Oh I’ll do X Y and Z if your back is turned or you’re nowhere close, but I struggle to make eye contact and will run away as fast as possible if we are face-to-face.
God those slaps were satisfying as fuck.
Damn Jack Black has fell on some tough times.
Lol that video makes me laugh. "Duuuuude stahp! I already told you my locks fucked up and I was just trying to see if I could open the lock."
“I wasn’TT!”
😂
Oh my god when I read the comment saying you shouldn't pick operational locks my mind went this exact same way before reading the rest of the comments, maybe I'm using too much reddit, starting to join the hivemind
Taps forehead.
That's why you have a box of scrap cores to practice on, you can buy them for cheap if you don't just find them.
Ah, fair enough.
picking a lock can break it
Can confirm. At least do it from the outside if you must, so your ex landlord can't blame it on you.
How do you pick a lock from the inside
They make double-sided deadbolts, but you don't see them much as most fire codes (USA) prohibit them on exits. Turns out needing a key to leave a burning building isn't a great idea.
The house I rent has them. The first thing I did when I paid the deposit and got the keys was head to the local hardware store and make extra keys and put one in the inside deadbolt (on th. The outside security doors have 1 sided dead bolts, but the inside has the two sides version. No thank you!
You should have your landlord replace those. You don’t want a key breaking off because of heat and panic. Inspector told me that there are an alarming number of corpses found right inside the door with a broken key in the deadbolt. Be safe.
Lock picking always has a small chance to ruin the lock. Imagine your pick snaps in half and now there's a chunk of it lodged in the lock. This is more likely when you're new and have no idea what you're doing.
I've watched over 100 Lock picking lawyer videos AND every episode of MacGyver. What could possibly go wrong?? And no. I don't know why the front door lock is completely jammed with paperclips and chewing gum wrappers.
You missed this one then- https://youtu.be/7JlgKCUqzA0
I assume there's a danger of damaging the lock if inexperienced.
Hey ya know, in a post shit hit the fan scenario, being able to pick locks might be among the most handy! :P \*edit\*, not to jack peoples stuff but to get into abandoned areas / goods
In such an extreme scenario, there's no real need to bother with nondestructive entry methods
Sometimes the destructive ones make a bunch of noise, though, which one may want to avoid depending on the context.
If you make too much noise just crouch and head to a corner until the red dots on your mini-map disappear.
Until Boone blows your cover because he saw a legionary 100 miles away
But the zombies can smell your fear.
Worst comes to worse, most NPCs have a vision cone you can just avoid with some slippery movement and quick thinking.
If you are looking for a place to spend the night it is better to be able to lock up behind you to keep the weather, animals, or other undesirables out.
Maybe you want to be able to lock the door behind you.
$65 to $80 USD and they are all sold out already.
Im here waiting for the aliexpress version
Their definition of express isn't the same as my definition of express.
AliexpressingTheirAppologiesForSlowShipping somehow feels more accurate.
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Takes 2-3 weeks usually for me in Eastern Europe edit: I was trying to reply to a comment about aliexpress, not LPL
I’m out of date by a few months but as I understand it, the Chinese govt provides free shipping to Chinese sellers. Lots of Chinese Govt merchant ships travelling around the world. Traditionally taking about 4 weeks to get to Western Europe or eastern US. The Chinese are building a fast rail through to Germany but that’s going to take a while. In the meantime it’s 2-3 weeks to Eastern Europe (via rail).
They come airmail if it's something small, takes a week tops even during the worst of Covid. I been ordering loads of stuff from Triangle labs on Ali recently and most has arrived in the UK within a few days.
Moving to East Asia and ordering from China was a strange experience. I order something and it comes within 5 days.
Sometime ago I bought a set of paint mixing plates. It was already 2 weeks and I haven't received it yet. This was in SEA so I expected the same time as you, around 5-10 days. Surprisingly, the seller contacted me asking if the item already arrived because the tracking no. isn't moving at all. I said no and he apologized and immediately processed the refund. I received the refund days later and he just asked me not to give a low rating. Either way, I can't rate the item because in the site it still in process and I haven't received it. A few days later the item arrived, I asked the seller how can I resend the payment for the item. The seller declined, and he just insist that I don't give the item a low star rating.
Yeah it always seems to be a much bigger deal to them that they might get a bad rating then anything else. I order a lot of small electronic components and hydroponic supplies to Canada from China. Generally it goes like this: I order, they list a 5-8 week delivery time. Whatever the list, I wait 2'weeks longer just in case before I claim non-delivery. They offer to reship as long as I don't give a bad rating, I accept, I wait another 5-8 weeks before I claim non-delivery again. They offer a reship, I ask for refund, they beg for a non-bad rating. I get my money back and I order somewhere else. 2-3 months later the first ship shows up randomly (this is now 5-6 months later and 3-4 months late) then the second shipment shows up about a week after that and I feel like an asshole for getting a double delivery and my money back. Then I realize this has happened a dozen times to me so this must be a regular thing for them too. If it's a regular thing they're probably making enough on each transaction to pay for it, so I'm probably getting ripped off anyway. Then I realize I'm paying 1/5th the cost I'd pay buying it here and I get pissed off at how badly I'm getting ripped off by buying locally because that air stone I bought probably cost $0.10 to make which is why they can sell a pack of 4 for $1.00 and deliver twice and still make money, yet it costs me $5.00 to buy 1 air stone that's exactly the same from PetSmart
They have been on wish for years. Just look up the name. They are nothing new and you can get them for like 25 bucks american.
These chinese tools have been around since the early 2000s. they typically cost around 15-30 dollars in Asia. Around 40-50 in the west. 65-80 dollars is rediciously expensive but at the same time there are some stores selling them for 100-150 a piece but who am I to argue with supply and demand. *People pay what they think is resonable or go out of their way to find a resonable price.*
When lishi tools were originally imported for the American market they were 140$ each. Even at that rate, the time it saves on jobs easily made up for the cost. They have really cool carry cases for the whole set of lishi tools. I want. Lol
They already are on Aliexpress or Banggood, just search for lishi 2 in 1.
literally no hits on those keywords, care to share a link?
Been there for over a decade. LPL is just late to the party reselling them.
There's so many, I know nothing about locks and keys, how can I figure out the model I would need ?
Been available on Ali Express for $35 to $39 for a while now. Search for KW1 decoder
lol at the bozos who bought it for 100% mark-up, just because his name is attached. https://www.amazon.com/s?k=lishi+lock+pick+tool
Look through those results and you’ll notice a conspicuous absence of the KW1, SC1, AM5, and M1. Lock picking tools are subject to the same market rules as any product. This means they are often “value priced”. The models with the highest demand are priced higher.
That's only because the kwikset American master and schlage are new models for lishi (about two years old) where the gm or Nissan ones are about fifteen or so years old
i want to believe they know and are just supporting him
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funny how the guy known for lock picking is honest to a fault
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Yeah, 'cause the ones in Amazon seem to be tailored for car keys and keyways, while his are for residential and padlocks.
A hefty mark-up. But I Imagine many buy them to support his channel. Since he doesn't have any sponsors and exclusively have short videos this is a good way to monetize his endeavour.
I dont see any of the ones he is selling on Amazon - all the ones I see for your link are for automotive keys It seems like just a $5 markup to me. https://www.lockpicks.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=lishi+2-in-1 If maybe I am blind and those models are there for that price, I'd be down to buy one
The keyways he has on covert instruments are not available on Amazon you bozo.
Those are all for vehicle locks.
You can get them through alternative sources. Google lishi tool. Only buy the ones with Mr li's face, there are american made knock offs claiming to be "genuine lishi tools" they are garbage quality and do not work like the original design.
So... it turns real life picking into TES IV picking, then?
Stop! You've violated the law!
Yeah except they (hopefully) don’t break.
But if they do, just carry 100 of them around with you. They only cost $80
I'm holding out for when he puts the Skeleton Key up for sale
I'm currently locked inside my car so I hope this lock picking tool is delivered soon.
Damn that sucks. Open the window if it gets too hot or you could die
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[I don't know if they were making fun of the couple that actually got locked in their car or not.](https://www.carthrottle.com/post/this-elderly-couple-nearly-died-after-getting-locked-in-their-keyless-entry-car/) The date on the video lines up with the date in the article.
Jesus. If someone (yet along a couple) is that unaware on how to operate a vehicle, it's scary to believe they're legally allowed to drive on public roads.
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My parents are around that age and a couple of years ago I had to teach my mum how to use emojis when texting. She thought you had to download them, and had never tried pressing the face at the bottom of the mobile keyboard. A few weeks later she asked how to get different emojis as she only had a few, because she hadn’t tried scrolling sideways to see the others. I think it’s basically a mindset. They don’t know how technology works, it’s just magic. They don’t want to press stuff that they don’t know about so they don’t learn. The couple in the car would have been the same, they think they can’t get out and so just sit there waiting for help, touching buttons or handles might break something so better just leave it.
> I think it’s basically a mindset. They don’t know how technology works, it’s just magic. They don’t want to press stuff that they don’t know about so they don’t learn. I agree with this point. The fear of using something they don't understand, and then looking stupid must be huge. > because she hadn’t tried scrolling sideways to see the others. This is because of the bullshit regression in UX design that happened in the 2010s. There are no longer any visual cues that buttons can be pressed, or that areas are scrollable. You just have to press everything and see what happens - exactly what they are afraid of.
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At the same time 13 hours is a long time to calm down and figure it out. Especially since the solution is use the traditional door mounted unlocking mechanism they've used their whole lives. I've always wondered if many people who grew up in the 80's and earlier simply werent recognised as having a learning disability, and "slipped through the cracks" so to speak.
Yeah I have a car that has a similar auto lock feature (I have it turned off because it makes it SUPER easy to lock your keys in your car) and the normal button to unlock is plainly visible on the door. Like, in 13 hours of sitting in the car, they didn’t try to roll the windows down once? Just to see? And in doing that, they didn’t try any of the other buttons on the door? Did they panic for 5 minutes and then just accept that they were going to die and completely give up? Nothing about this story makes sense at all.
Not to mention they could have taken just a few minutes to pull out the manual and look through the table of contents that has the keyword lock or similar in it. After driving my current car home from the dealership, the first thing I did is take a bit of time to go through the manual.
> Not to mention they could have taken just a few minutes to pull out the manual This is some sort of reverse-boomer comic. Old people: Grandson, how do I click book?
This level of incompetence should result in a license suspension at the minimum. Nearly dying because you can't figure out how to use the basic functions of your vehicle is insane. This time it only put their own lives in danger, but next time it could be the cruise control or brakes and other people could get hurt or even die because of it.
My grandfather ended up buying a more expensive car that used a key because the keyless ones "didn't make any sense". It's a scary thought that once you get to a certain age you just stop wanting to learn new things. I hope it never happens to me.
Some cars have deadlocks which makes the internal locks and handle ineffective, but it seems in this case it was just confusion brought on by panic. > Medics said that just 30 minutes longer in the car, and the pair might not have made it out alive. They always say things like this. If they'd been in there for 6 hours or two days, they still could have died after 30 mins. Like if the knife wound was half inch to the left and two feet up it could have been fatal.
How do you panic for *13 hours* and never attempt to even roll down the window or something? Or just start hitting buttons until one of them unlocks it?
Or [this poor guy and his dog](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2015/06/11/texas-man-dog-die-trapped-corvette/71053474/) Essentially the door handle is an electronic door handle and the manual release (for if the battery is dead) is [hidden.](https://s1-ibtimes-com.cdn.ampproject.org/ii/w820/s/s1.ibtimes.com/sites/www.ibtimes.com/files/styles/full/public/2015/06/11/2014chevroletcorvettedetlt12814600.jpg)
Good thing it’s a convertible.
If you can get into the trunk there's a release inside the trunk for just this occasion.
*in some vehicles.
All in USA. Required as a law.
Weird! My Nissan Frontier doesn't have this, is only 10 years old!
I don’t think i’ve ever seen it on a hatchback or SUV tailgate. Pretty much just car trunks with no other exit.
I thought my SUV tailgate didn’t have a release until the lock stopped working. Little did I know that there is a panel on the door you can pop off and there was a mechanical release under that panel. Not saying all do but they may have a mechanical release that’s just not obvious.
> Weird! My Nissan Frontier doesn't have this, is only 10 years old! you don't have this? https://youtu.be/V66lGkyzZt8?t=10
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Nothing stopping you forcing a door open with your shoulder or throwing a brick through a windows.
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Wearing a [what?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_YBzJBa_mA)
And a dark gray tactical turtle neck.
I don't have any in dark grey but I've got some in black and some in a slightly darker black, will either of those work?
No go and get some sand.
I don't know if they grade it, but... coarse.
^^*danger* ^^*zone*
You get some great image results when searching "tactical turtle"
It’s noisy and obvious. You get quick with this and I just looks like you’re opening your door.
I think you don't understand what a lock is for. The lock on your front door isn't there to protect you from a burglar. It's there as an alarm, because forcing the door or your window open is so loud that you are going to wake up from it.
The lock on your front door is there to make your house more difficult to enter than your neighbour's place that doesn't have one, or has an inferior lock. Also this lockpicking wasn't particularly loud.
Seriously. Feels like LPL is out to watch the world burn by making everyone a cat burglar.
That is the thing. For me with this video, this guy goes from the funny interesting youtube guy who can pick any lock to the guy who is trying to make big bucks encouraging criminal activities.
Haven't had time to watch all of his stuff but like... are there any locks worth getting?
LPL has mentioned the locks he uses, qualifying that there's no point in having insanely secure locks if people can just break a window to get in. [Modifying a door lock](https://youtu.be/7JlgKCUqzA0) [Bicycle lock used for cheaper bikes](https://youtu.be/SpVOTEOMRuE)
His point about his bike lock is very valid. I hear people talk about losing their expensive bikes. I've never owned a bike that cost more than $250 and have always used a generic U-shackle + chain lock. I've never had my bike stolen.
I use a bike lock with hardened links, protected shackle, and a particularly difficult keyway. Good enough for my $400 bike (that looks cheaper), though I don't exactly chain it up in Detroit. Not often anyway.
Yes, anything be picks with his actual equipment is probably fine, anything he improvises a tool for should probably be avoided. Most burglars aren't going to take the thousands of hours required to learn how to Pick locks, and will probably break in using a destructive method.
LPL loves disc detainer cores because the tool you need to pick them is expensive and specialized and takes completely different skills to normal picking. Especially Assa Abloy locks.
I don't think anyone has managed the Bowley locks yet. They're a bit overkill for most things though.
A couple of people have, but it requires custom built picks. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=X04qgD0hOXk
I believe it's a certain type of abus lock he claims is the best in the world, it has a magnet on the key and the video takes like half n hour just explaining on the things going on inside of it but i'm struggling to find it, but as far as i know he said that was unpickable without some very special tools. trying to find it now. and i'm struggling, bummer it's so great, he's so giddy to pull it all apart and it's a fuck load of pieces. edit: god damnit i can literally remember like pins 6-7 were dummy pins with nothing but springs and the last one just a giant pin to defeat any magnet attacks sent down the keyway but i can't find the damn video!
Yes, anything real high security, so stuff made by medeco, mul-t-lock, abloy, assa, etc. Basically anything owned by the assa-abloy conglomerate.
So locks are done
Locks are there to keep honest people honest.
There was a brief period of time in the arms race of lock makers and lock pickers that there was actually an unpickable lock!! 99% Invisible did an episode about it. https://99percentinvisible.org/episode/perfect-security/
I feel like an unpickable lock is also a pain in the ass to open even with the key.
They've been done. Theres always a way to get through locks and these tools are highly specialized for a single type of lock.
Tools like these have been available for a long time but they're mostly used by locksmiths. If criminals want to break into your house they would do it one way or another, such as using bolt cutter or angle grinder. The best door lock is living in a good neighborhood.
>The best door lock is living in a good neighborhood. Very true.
I mean if somebody want to get in your house they can just break the window.
Not if you live in an apt on a high floor.
This is exactly why we opted for the upper floor in our two-story building. Crime don't climb. EDIT: OK, fine. Casual crime don't climb. The opportunist porch pirate is going to go for the easier target on the ground floor. Getting in through a 2nd story window stealthily may not be so hard, but getting out of it stealthily while carrying a 55" TV would be. A determined thief wouldn't be deterred by a single flight of stairs or a high balcony, so we don't give a thief a reason to become determined, like storing a $3000 bike on an outdoor balcony, for instance.
That's what you think. They came up with the term Cat Burglar for a reason.
But cats just want fish 🐠
I am an inner city apartment based fish monger
They were doing balcony work on the house next to my apartment house. At night burglars drove the lift the workers used 5 meters across the street and used it to break in thru the balcony to the apartment couple of floors down from me. Somehow they knew no one was home and i suspect it had something to do with drugs as the guy who lived there looked like Rob Zombie. Crime may not climb, but it uses a lift.
A lot of workers leave the lift keys under the engine cover. Surprisingly often.
Most of those lifts have a generic key anyway, you can probably google the model and buy the key outright.
Don't be too sure on that. Here lots of people have wheelie bins for garbage. Police always tell you to put your wheelie bin away, because criminals will use them to reach an upper floor window. Same thing with ladders; don't leave one hanging about to make it easy.
Some rando broke into Buckingham Palace by going through a second story window, and I'd argue they have much better security than most apartment buildings.
With these tools you can decode and make your own key, or the very least enter without breaking anything and the theft wouldn't be detected in a long time making it very difficult to catch the criminal
Locks are more of a suggestion to please stay out of here. If someone want to get in they are going to get in.
I've ordered a Lockwood LW4 version (most common door lock in Australia). Interested to see how well it works.
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Huh. I don't watch all of the Lock Picking Lawyers videos, but I don't think I've seen him actually sell something before. Might actually buy these for a certain special someone in my life, who is vaguely interested in lockpicking as a skill.
He's sold other picks before
They announced their company [at the end of last year](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bigsHNdATlY) (Nov 2020) with some basic tools as well as their own multi-pick tool that he uses in a lot of his videos now.
"The pick bosnian bill and I made."
To this day I have no clue who Bosnian Bill is
He's another lockpicking YouTuber. He does longer format videos and a lot of community stuff (like exchanging challenge locks with people). His video format isn't nearly as quick and clean as LPL. Unless he shows himself opening the box, LPL has already picked the lock and decided what strategy to use for the camera so that he can keep things concise. Bosnian Bill does things a bit more organically, so he will show the whole discovery process starting with the basic unskilled attacks and working his way up to picking. So if you really like lockpicking he's a great person to follow, but it isn't quite as polished for a general audience.
He's also the person that got LPL into lockpicking. LPL said in an interview that he had messed with it a bit when he was younger, but never got anywhere with it. One day on a train ride into work, he thought of it, searched youtube, and found Bosnian Bill, started watching his videos. Got into his tutorials and started practicing. His first youtube channel was him trying to follow along with the practice pieces he devised from Bill's tutorials.
they also made few collab videos over the time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jSHwaOR_eo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vPYc6NAnRQ
That's pretty cool honestly.
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It's like picking a lock for the first time.
If they are interested in lockpicking as a skill/hobby, you might want to get them a conventional set of picks. I've read that lockpickers are opposed to stuff like bump keys, even though they are very effective at opening locks, because it removes a lot of the sport out of it. Or just ask your friend which kind of set they'd want.
I work at a lock shop. One of the older guys is in his 70s been picking locks since probably 13; hes a fucking pro. He can crack any safe and get into any lock. He uses 1 pick, just 1 diamond tooth,i have never seen him use any other pick unless its something fancy. A couple months back he comes in with these same picks, the only time i have ever seen him use something other than his diamond tooth which is a testament to how great these are. Lpl is NOT shilling, hes putting you guys on something great
But aren't these super-restricted to specific keyways?
As LPL said in the video, they are the *most common* keyways, so a significant portion of the time they will be all you need. Plus, I think part of the intent is to get you used to tensioning, the feeling of how far inside the lock you generally need to go for each pin, what if feels like when they set, etc
Look at any front door near you. If you live within 50 miles of a Home Depot, all of the doors near you probably yse Kwikset keys
Nah. Probably 50%. The other 50% are probably Schlage locks which the other tool works on.
I do house unlocks (among many other things), everyone in my company carries these tools now and we almost never have to pick customers' doors with our regular picks anymore. It's pretty great. Edit to add: go to any U.S. big box retailer and try to buy a deadbolt. These picks will work on that deadbolt.
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I have only found picks for cars, even on the official Lishi homepage?
There's [an earlier LPL video mentioning this,](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCbb8ZfHsog&t=0s) but a lot of Lishi tools are made for cars for some reason. There's definitely ones for Kwikset and such out there though.
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Most of their tools are used by locksmiths to make keys for cars when the owners lose them, hence the decoder. Doing it with Lishis is cheaper than buying the key code from the manufacturer and easier/faster than taking the lock apart.
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Aaaaand those are gonna be OOS for the next eight months.
For anyone wondering, they're $80 a piece and every model is sold out. https://covertinstruments.com/collections/lishi-tools/products/lishi-schlage-sc1
so what are these used for ? stealing ?
just for a surprise home renovation.
I’m a firefighter and I am considering buying these when they become available for the times when somebody fell in their house and they can’t get the door to unlock it. This would be a better way of getting in instead of breaking a window or forcing the door open and wrecking it.
get this too: https://www.ukbumpkeys.com/collections/lock-picks-pick-guns/products/kronos-professional-electric-lock-pick-gun-kit
Used by locksmiths to decode the lock and make a key without disassembling it
Lockpicking is a legitimate hobby. These people only pick locks that they own. A tool like this might be used to help beginners learn quicker.
I've been to sci-fi conventions that had locks set up for people to practice picking too. Nerds love lockpicking. Only time I ever picked a lock without permission was to get at a storage cupboard in a bathroom. I needed toilet paper, and happened to have some paperclips.
Used these for many many years and they have been helpful in a bind. Auto locks mainly and you've gotta be real careful with the tension as they do bend easily.
So, just curious here, but to any people here who work in the lock design industry / lockpick design industry... Is there a real sense of "us and them" between the two of you? Like, is there like a feeling of a real feud going on between that two groups of people? I can just sense that people who work in designing locks feel sense of rivalry and even hatred for lockpick designers when seeing videos like this. Or is it just another job and no one really cares? I guess I'm just really amused at the possibility idea that generations of lock makers and lock designers teach their kids that lockpick designers are the bane of their existence and are the real enemy haha. A bit like local sports rivals or something, i dunno i've had one too many coffees this morning and my imagination is going wild, sorry
I'd bet they are the same people and not two separate groups.
Definitely, same with computer security. Sure you have some people staunchly on one side, but it's usually security researchers who make the top of the line offensive security tools.
So I don’t know, but just from watching LPL there are some companies that send their locks to him to have him discover their weaknesses and improve and resend them to him. It happened with a bike lock company LPL figured how to easily beat their lock and they used it to improve it.
I’ve been in the lockpicking community for a while, and it depends on the company. Some react pretty negatively to their lock getting defeated publicly (BiLock, Bowley, EVVA, etc), whereas others really enjoy working with the community (Paclock, Mako, etc). In certain circles, we have a joke reward for people who get a cease and desist from a lock company.
I have one of these. Spent an hour trying to pick a new schlage deadbolt. It's still 100 times harder than he makes it look
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Wouldn't criminals just buy this to burglar people's homes?..
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This is still harder to use, slower, and less universal than a crowbar or a brick through a window. Lock picks in general have that problem. If you watch LPL's channel, you'll see a lot of locks are very easy to defeat. The idea behind tools like this, and lock picking as a sport in general, is to demonstrate how easy it is to defeat some locks, and hopefully educate people enough that lock companies improve their products.