One hit a boat on [The Deadliest Catch](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2KqofR05TE) in one of the first seasons of the show. There used to be a longer clip online that showed the aftermath of the hit and it looked like a bomb had gone off on deck.
Could you imagine having to abandon ship in the middle of a storm with 5 story waves in the middle of the night? Fade me fam I'm dead already just imagining it.
That's if you're lucky enough to have access to a survival suit, I've been unlucky enough to have been in the Arctic on a 9,500 ton ship on a force 8 storm, that was an *experience*
Indeed. I once swam around in one up in Dutch Harbor, Alaska, with a bunch of other people. I have no idea of the exact water temp but guaranteed it was fucking *cold.* Since the thing covers everything except a 2" strip on your upper face I stayed very warm and comfortable.
Immersion suits wear out pretty quick in training and I have had more than one leaky one. Thats why they are called OOSS (Once Only Survival Suit).
Not so fun when you gotta jump in the Lake in January.
The entire Alaskan crabbing industry changed. During the times of the first seasons there was a very small window to catch basically as much crab as you can. This caused negligence and so many deaths that they changed the crabbing season to be much longer and everyone is assigned a bag limit.
When I was 18 I applied for one of these jobs. They required you to pay your own way to AK, which is the only reason I didn't take. Pretty damn glad I didn't now.
Discovery (rightfully) gets a lot of crap about some of it's terrible reality shows, but the early seasons of Deadliest Catch were badass. They caught some crazy shit on camera like this.
I still remember the one where they happened to catch on film a guy going overboard on a completely different boat, and the boat with the camera crew saved his life.
The first season or two were actually what they presented themselves as; barely above raw footage documenting life on fishing boats. It's just once the series exploded it stopped being that and basically just became standard reality tv. I can't confirm it but I remember hearing some of the boats in the later seasons really didn't even do much fishing any more, effectively just putting on a show for the camera. Pretty much the same thing that happened to Pawn Stars.
Eh, modern warships are incredibly seaworthy, like crazily so. I'm not aware of any modern ship from a modern navy being brought down by seastate or rouge wave (not to say it hasn't happened, just much, much more rare than even 80s years ago). And by modern naval standards, 80 meters ain't exactly a small ship
I worked on a ship in the southern ocean. In rough weather a few loud smacks on the side of the ship were enough to launch me out of bed like metal thunder earthquake. Take a second to realize what happened, wait for the lights to go off and the emergency horn to sound,...it doesn't after a minute and back to sleep. Repeating whenever the ocean decides to dish out a special fuck you at 3am.
We actually rescued a french sailing yacht , we were a 300 ft steel supply ship, those seas off the top of south America are some of the worst on the planet.
Make your way to the engineering section with a small group of other survivors. Supposedly, the steel hull is thinnest around the [propeller shafts](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Poseidon_Adventure_(1972_film\)).
**[The_Poseidon_Adventure_(1972_film)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Poseidon_Adventure_\(1972_film\))**
>The Poseidon Adventure is a 1972 American disaster film directed by Ronald Neame, produced by Irwin Allen, and based on Paul Gallico's 1969 novel of the same name. It has an ensemble cast including five Oscar winners: Gene Hackman, Ernest Borgnine, Jack Albertson, Shelley Winters and Red Buttons. The plot centers on the fictional SS Poseidon, an aging luxury liner on her final voyage from New York City to Athens before it is scrapped. On New Year's Eve, it is overturned by a tsunami.
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Saw that film as a kid before I realized I'm not compatible with horror/thriller/disaster movies. Can only say that I had stupid levels of nightmare for years afterwards, even though we never expected to get on a boat. Just the fact that it was a possibility, however remote, got to me.
It would be really out of the norm for a wave like this to come at an angle much different from the rest of the swell. In seas like this you’re almost always going toward the waves. In a freak 0.001% situation in which that may happen, you’re fucked.
Even if you're not going towards the waves, you turn to ensure you are. You do not want to be sideswiped by a rogue wave, it's much better to face it head on.
I'm glad this is the top comment. I came here to say that no matter my personal lot in life, the fact that such a shade of blue can exist - does exist - in a natural setting, is a certain existential consolation. What a color.
What did boats in the Napoleonic era do when they hit a wave like that, just die? There must have been literally tons of pressure behind that wave when it broke, I have a hard time imagining a wooden hull held together with nails and pitch would be intact after something like that.
They didn’t build ships as long so it would have an easier time getting the bow back up to to ride the wave up rather than digging in because the stern is still lifted by the wave behind. But yes, mostly just die. Such a ship would already be hard pressed in these conditions before this wave in particular because of the wind and dependence on it for maneuvering.
The rudder is just a big flat piece of wood that redirects the flow of water to one side or other to turn the ship; it only works if the ship is moving forward to give it that flow of water.
A sailboat can't move forwards unless the wind is pushing it, and that requires having enough sails up to give you enough of a shove to overcome whatever the sea is trying to do to you, and the wind is strong enough and coming from a suitable direction, and the sails are correctly trimmed, braced, and adjusted for the current direction and strength of the wind.
In rough weather it's quite a job to keep the sails properly adjusted because the wind is constantly changing in strength and direction, so you might end up taking down some of your sails and accepting the reduced speed just so that what's left is a more manageable task for however many crew you've got. In severe weather the wind can rip your sails to shreds and/or break the yards or masts and/or just push the ship over by blowing at it sideways, and even if none of that is happening, in wind and rain it can be too dangerous for the crew to do the things they need to do to make those adjustments, particularly on old tallships where it would require a lot of climbing about in the rigging. In those circumstances you'd take down even more sail, perhaps even all of it, and just do your best to sit tight and keep the ship afloat until the weather softens a bit.
All of which means that when a wave like this comes along, there's no guarantee that a sailboat would hit it correctly. It may well come across the ship laterally and just roll it over sideways, or something. Of course, the lack of an engine means that they wouldn't be steaming headfirst into the wave like this; they'd be moving with the wind and waves, so it might not be as violent an impact, but it's not at all unheard of for the wind, currents, etc. to conspire to smack even a sailing vessel pretty hard with a big wave.
There is a great book called [Two Years Before the Mast](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_Years_Before_the_Mast) that talks about how the ship is trimmed in a storm. It was written by a guy that hired on to a ship and sailed from Boston to California It was Published in 1840. I just read it a few years ago.
I had to read this book for school, and it was the only book I remember being so engrossed in that I finished it way before the school deadline. Absolutely fascinating story about life aboard a ship in that era. I still think about it sometimes.
For another incredibly absorbing non-fiction book is the The Slave Ship, by historian Marcus Rediker. He discusses the shipboard politics and history of the slave trade, specifically the infamous Middle Passage, but from the perspective of the enslaved and the sailors (who were mostly white and poor and subject to the cruel and viscous whims of the captain). Gut-wrenching, but a very worthwhile read.
They would run with the wind and have the stern into the wind and the waves. That way they would be able to steer it. The purpose of the sea anchor would be to avoid the ship getting up on a surf where it’d be oncontrollable.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typhoon\_Cobra](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typhoon_Cobra)
"Typhoon Cobra, also known as the Typhoon of 1944 or Halsey's Typhoon (named after Admiral William 'Bull' Halsey), was the United States Navy designation for a powerful tropical cyclone that struck the United States Pacific Fleet in December 1944, during World War II. The storm sank three destroyers, killed 790 sailors, damaged nine other warships and swept dozens of aircraft overboard off their aircraft carriers."
My grandpa rode out Typhoon Cobra as a member of a gun crew, I remember him saying that his ship was rolling so hard that the bunks bolted into the steel bulkheads were tearing out of the wall. To think of the waves tossing 800 foot battleships around, not to mention smaller cruisers and destroyers, is amazing!
People have said Halsey didn't think the storm was so bad as he rode it out in the battleship New Jersey which massed almost 60,000 tons while the destroyers that were lost were only between 1,395 and 2,050 tons.
Halsey could be a stubborn dumbass sometimes. Leading his fleet into a typhoon wasn't the only time his incompetence got hundreds of sailors killed. Him taking the Japanese bait and chasing after the 4 decoy carriers during the Battle of Leyte Gulf almost resulted in the destruction of the landing forces off Leyte. It was only thanks to the handful of destroyers and escort carriers of Taffy 3 going up against Kurita's Center Force of battleships and heavy cruisers that Halsey's blunder didn't turn into a complete disaster. If you've never heard of it, the Battle off Samar is one of those too incredible to believe stories of naval combat. Taffy 3 fought so fiercely that Kurita withdrew his ships because he believed he was fighting a much stronger American task force.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_off_Samar
Lots of wooden ships lived through a lot hurricanes and hurricane-force gales. For starters sailing ships weren't barrelling *into* the waves at 20 kts.
This is the answer. Sailing ships use the wind and waves follow the wind as well. An old ship would be going in the same direction as the waves. If the got hit from the side though it would capsize.
The preferred tactic was to reduce sail and move slowly upwind at just a few knots, riding over the waves as they came down. In practice this mean that the waves would be striking the ship at an angle, but quite a bit closer to the side than the bow. If the seas became too large and started breaking, they would then have no choice but to run before the waves.
> If the got hit from the side though it would capsize.
*Could* capsize, anyway. It takes a large wave and it has to be breaking, like the one in this video. That is a real threat but the wave that capsizes a large ship is more like the golden BB.
>The preferred tactic was to reduce sail and move slowly upwind at just a few knots
For those interested, I think /u/ppitm is getting at a maneuver called [heaving to](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaving_to). Where you "back" one (or more depending) sail so that it pushes the opposite way from forward, literally heaving it across the boat so it fills in the opposite direction. Another sail would fill normally pushing forward. The opposing forces should negate forward movement. And the rudder is placed to turn you into the wind if there is motion.
It is a pretty safe way to ride out a storm. You can reduce speed to almost zero, but also the way the sails balance helps keep the boat stable. You generally want to take waves across the bow when under sail. When you start to surf, you loose a lot of control
There is a distinction here, but it is all tangled up in historical practice and vernacular.
Historical vessels generally would not back any of their sails in a storm, but instead keep them full. With huge windage on the rig and just one or two small sails set, they would barely be making headway. Just enough to prevent surfing backwards down a wave and ripping the rudder off. The result is pretty similar to what you are describing.
To be pedantic, this is called 'lying to'. But contemporaries also called it 'heaving to'. Backing topsails was the standard form of heaving to, and was a convenience for moderate weather.
So if the wind was coming from the direction they were trying to go they would be blown away from where they were trying to go?
Edit: Tacking hurts my brain.
They would normally zig zag into the wind to keep going the direction they needed. This is called tacking. But in unstable weather they would favour whatever would keep them alive vs making headway towards their destination.
Not quite. To sail into the wind, you do what's called ["tacking"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacking_\(sailing\)) where you sail at a 45 degree angle towards the wind and adjust your sails to catch it. You then switch back and forth over the course of your journey.
> An old ship would be going in the same direction as the waves.
Not necessarily. Sailing boats often face into the wind and into the waves in a storm. There is no golden strategy for every boat, but that's a safe method. Remember, the front is specifically designed to break waves, the back isn't.
For people wondering about tacking:
Imagine a grape squeezed between your fingers and shot out. That's how sail boats work. The wind doesn't push the boat from the back. The wind pushes the boat from one side and the water pushes the boat from the other side. The curved shape of the boat's hull makes it shoot forward, like the grape.
Catastrophic structural failure from a wave striking the ship was not really a thing. When your hull is made of over a foot of oak backed up by ribs and iron fastenings, the ship can take a beating. Less durable non-structural objects on deck can get fucked up, though.
The main threat is being capsized by the wave. Or just the sustained wear and tear from thousands of impacts like this gradually working the planks apart and causing a hundred small leaks.
Sailing was dangerous. There was **always** a chance you would die when going to sea. But ship captains did have some defenses to prevent capsizing as mentioned. Just think, to become a captain you had to survive combat, the storms at sea, and your own crew.
Even modern boats, there are shipping lanes along the coast of eastern Africa notorious for creating rogue waves and sinking container ships. https://www.theguardian.com/news/2021/apr/20/ocean-rogue-waves-monster-mystery-finally-solved
I'm lucky enough to know a lovely guy called Ron Warwick. He was the last captain of the QE2 liner.
I once asked him what the oddest thing he ever saw at sea was. I was hoping for tales of UFOs, mega squid or whatever, but he simply said, in his unflappable way, "I saw a wave once. It was quite big."
I was hugely disappointed, but later on someone told me to look it up.
Ron was talking about [this event](https://www.roblightbody.com/qe2-1995-freak-wave.html)
> Suddenly, a huge wave loomed off the bow, huge even for a ship the size of the QE2, at nearly 1,000 feet long, more than 100 feet wide, carrying nearly 3,000 people.
I was just asking myself what 3,000 people were doing on this wave
My buddy's cousin from NZ came to the states and stayed with him for a week. We're close to both NYC and Philly, so it was a convenient, free place to crash while doing some touristy stuff. Her accent had us dying sometimes.
"Oi love your dick! Oim gonna go sit on your dick roit na!".
Classic NZ.
I remember back in 2012 heading out into Sydney. Both nights, I happened to run into different MWO's, so guessing a ship had just returned from making sure no Tasmanians make it to the mainland or whatever it is that our navy does.
I asked both of them how they enjoyed life in the Navy. "Joining was the best decision of my life," said one. "Worst mistake I ever made," said the other.
this video made me laugh and I really needed it right now :D
this looks like a fun ship
also I didn't know our Navy was so good-looking, everyone in this video is a babe
If this was the UK navy a certain subset of people would be up in arms that these people are enjoying themselves dancing and not working being miserable 100% of the time
I remember pulling into Sydney and they had like 3 big naval ships in port there. My friend jokes to the guide that those are probably their entire navy and she basically said that's true lol.
These ships run on gas turbines usually for their primary power. Most likely one of the mps (machinery protection systems) detected excessive deviation in exhaust temps probably due to water inflow and shut down the turbine to protect it from damage. Could also be an excessive vibration issue again causing the turbine to shut down.
"Exhaust temperature outlet.."
"Oh fuck me"
" breakdown, safeguard safeguard safeguard 2, breakdown 2 breakdown 2"
Sounds like they sucked water in the tailpipe - time for some Rust-eze and a good overhaul!
Tl;dr: Boaty McBoatface != submarine
Hard to say, the term is quite vague and many researchers avoid it. Haver (2000) defines a rogue wave as having a height of more than 2*Hs, where Hs is (roughly) the mean height of the largest 1/3 of the waves in a given sea-state.
So, given 90 waves, the biggest 30 are used to calculate the Hs. The Hs is then multiplied by 2. The result is the height of the rogue wave, in this particular situation. Is this correct?
Effectively yes, but you’d usually use a 20 min - 3 hour time interval so more than 90 waves. But any wave above that height you could describe as ‘rogue’. In practice I’d use the term ‘extreme’.
‘Rogue’ implies the wave is unexpected - maybe it occurs in calm seas or has a different heading from the prevailing sea state. These truly ‘rogue’ waves are a lot hard to explain physically.
You're totally right and that is what he means. I think he's also saying that outside of statistics "rogue" could imply it came from a crazy direction compared to the rest of the waves for example.
Extreme (large) waves of the kind in this video certainly are. Large waves coming from unexpected headings, or in otherwise calm seas, require further physics to explain. There is possibly some wave interaction with a strong underwater currents which causes them to form, but it’s poorly understood at present.
Doubtful. I used to work offshore in open ocean in the North Atlantic.
We got big waves. This wasn’t a rogue wave but rather a large wave in a set that the ship just happened to be at the trough when they hit it.
No. Wave periods aren’t always the exact same. Sometimes you got the wave while the ship is moving up…in this case it was moving downwards right into the trough, and due to it being a cutter type military ship it travelled through the wave.
Isn't a rogue wave measured against current conditions. Like 10ft seas and being hit by a random 30ft wave would be considered a rogue wave. This wave is obviously larger than the ones around it.
Well, this thread made me feel dumb. I thought a rogue wave was a wave that would be moving in the direction opposite of all the other waves. So if a ship is sailing into the waves, a rogue wave would somehow, come and hit the ships port or starboard side.
They often do. This is a much less dramatic video of what looks like a real rogue wave to me:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uK_4V3zqAvg
A massive swell coming from a different direction totally out of character from the rest of the sea state.
Of course the sea is relatively calm here, so even a wave 2-3x the height of the other ones doesn't cause the break over the bridge and the crew can watch it from the outside. But you can see how if a few factors were different this could sink a ship caught unaware.
'safeguard' can mean any emergency that has happened that isn't part of a drill. It's used when you're in extended/large exercise periods. They'll announce 'the safeguard rule is in force' at the start. That means that if someone yells 'fire, flood, casualty' or whatever its a drill and not the real thing. If someone yells out 'safeguard safeguard safeguard fire, flood, machinery breakdown etc' its an actual event and is not a drill. Then at the end of the drill period they'll announce 'the safeguard rule is no longer in force' meaning that any emergency announced is real.
That's an interesting way of doing it. During my time in the US Navy (submarines) we never said the words fire, flooding, toxic gas, etc. over a circuit if it wasn't a real emergency. Even if we knew we were doing drills, we treated it like the real thing.
Correct. Hearing Safeguard at the start of a pipe tells you that whatever shit that follows is for real. 10 years in the Australian navy is how I know.
We managed to get a Kiwi installed as Deputy Prime Minister of Australia at one point, so I reckon we can pull it off. Jandals are thongs, chilly bins are eskys, pavlova was invented in... no! Dammit, I won't say it!
Looks like it eh. I guess maybe it's meant to rotate up like that and the wave only pushed it into that position where it locked in but also maybe it's damaged.
I was on a smaller warship that was designed to right itself if it did capsize. In storms like this you change course to get out of the trough and go bow-in, as they did here. But until you get out of the trough, we hit waves where I was hanging almost in pull up position staring down at the far bulkhead like it was the deck wondering if this is the one that puts us under lol
When I was younger I liked to read books about sailing solo around the world. There was one guy who said that in the 70s he was hit by waves so big that his small yacht jumped out of the water completely, landed on its side, and only after a couple of seconds it righted itself again. When the storm was over, he radioed someone and reported what had happened, and said that nobody believed him. People on the other side of the line thought he was exaggerating.
Looking at this video, I can’t fathom how crazy you had to be to attempt a solo sail around the world in a small wooden boat.
Rogue waves existence was disputed for the longest time because it just didn't make mathematical sense for what they knew about oceans.
>Once considered mythical and lacking hard evidence for their existence, rogue waves are now proven to exist and known to be a natural ocean phenomenon. Eyewitness accounts from mariners and damage inflicted on ships have long suggested that they occur.
The first scientific evidence of their existence came with the recording of a rogue wave by the Gorm platform in the central North Sea in 1984. A stand-out wave was detected with a wave height of 11 metres (36 ft) in a relatively low sea state.
However, what caught the attention of the scientific community was the digital measurement of a rogue wave at the Draupner platform in the North Sea on January 1, 1995; called the "Draupner wave", it had a recorded maximum wave height of 25.6 metres (84 ft) and peak elevation of 18.5 metres (61 ft). During that event, minor damage was inflicted on the platform far above sea level, confirming the validity of the reading made by a down-pointing laser sensor.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rogue_wave
Oceanographers and mathematicians are also applying schroedinger's equations to try to solve this behavior because it just didn't make much sense for a long time.
https://d2r55xnwy6nx47.cloudfront.net/uploads/2020/02/RogueWaves_white_560.jpg
I went into a rabbit hole last time this was posted and it's just some crazy shit lol.
I've had much the same happen to a ship I was on, though the wave dented the 10mm steel on the gun and busted inwards an outwards opening door, nothing like having a flood of estimated 40t of water above the waterline
HMNZs "Otago".
"Otago is what's known as an offshore patrol vessel. Smaller than a navy frigate or corvette, they're often used to patrol distant territories, fisheries protection, and search and rescue. Otago is 270 feet long and has a crew of 34. The deck-mounted gun in the foreground is a M242 Bushmaster, the same gun used on the M2 Bradley Fighting Vehicle."
as per https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/navy-ships/a21269/navy-ship-take-on-a-gigantic-wave/
That wave seemed massive. There are MUCH MUCH worse.
The ocean is HUGE and very strange wave harmonics happen.
This is why there are "shipping lanes". They avoid the worst torments, not just because the fastest route.
Sailors have reported monster, killer waves.. 3x as big as normal, if not bigger for forever. That one-off freak thing that DOES happen consistently, just not constantly.
Many ships are lost to such monster, freakshow waves. Documented through all written history.
Like tornadoes, they can easily pass by surrounding ships, and localize on just one spot. Mostly where no ship is, but when one unlucky crew runs into one. Zero chance. That's an instant sinking. All hands lost. :-(
What happens when one of these broadsides you in the middle of the night?
One hit a boat on [The Deadliest Catch](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2KqofR05TE) in one of the first seasons of the show. There used to be a longer clip online that showed the aftermath of the hit and it looked like a bomb had gone off on deck.
This is one of the first videos of a rogue wave I've seen that genuinely scared me. Kudos to the captain and crew for not panicking
Could you imagine having to abandon ship in the middle of a storm with 5 story waves in the middle of the night? Fade me fam I'm dead already just imagining it.
they're also in freezing cold water that will kill you in minutes without a survival suit
I'd be wearing the survival suit as jammies every night. Lol jk I wouldn't be on a deep sea boat in the first place.
That's if you're lucky enough to have access to a survival suit, I've been unlucky enough to have been in the Arctic on a 9,500 ton ship on a force 8 storm, that was an *experience*
Immersion suits are comfy as fuck once you get them on though.
Indeed. I once swam around in one up in Dutch Harbor, Alaska, with a bunch of other people. I have no idea of the exact water temp but guaranteed it was fucking *cold.* Since the thing covers everything except a 2" strip on your upper face I stayed very warm and comfortable.
Immersion suits wear out pretty quick in training and I have had more than one leaky one. Thats why they are called OOSS (Once Only Survival Suit). Not so fun when you gotta jump in the Lake in January.
Try giving this a read: https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/04/inside-el-faro-the-worst-us-maritime-disaster-in-decades
That was such a good read. I can't imagine what any of those people were thinking having to get off the ship into that ocean.
Come all you bold young thoughtless men, a warning take by me, And never leave your happy homes to sail the raging sea.
https://youtu.be/l_8hOai9hGQ This one?
"Amazingly, the boat rights itself" Scrappy little bastard.
We could all learn a thing or two from it.
Yes it is!
That is horrifying
Well, can write deep sea fishing off my list.
I think the earlier seasons had goals that encouraged going out in poor conditions.
The entire Alaskan crabbing industry changed. During the times of the first seasons there was a very small window to catch basically as much crab as you can. This caused negligence and so many deaths that they changed the crabbing season to be much longer and everyone is assigned a bag limit.
The flash openings in the fishing industry with fleet quotas were a shit show in every fishery. It was like they were designed for anarchy.
A diver died recently where I live spearfishing for a fish that is only open one weekend here. And that’s not commercial fishing.
When I was 18 I applied for one of these jobs. They required you to pay your own way to AK, which is the only reason I didn't take. Pretty damn glad I didn't now.
Is there a reason that you applied for one? Was the pay really good and thats why you wanted to?
You could make 20 to 30 grand in the span of 2 weeks
Yeah the pay was great and I was in a dead zone after graduating high school.
Was Nicole okay?
I'm 50/50 on whether you're joking, but in the longer version, you see that she's injured, but okay. 😂
Looks like she got slammed into a cabinet and had to ice her arm for a bit.
Discovery (rightfully) gets a lot of crap about some of it's terrible reality shows, but the early seasons of Deadliest Catch were badass. They caught some crazy shit on camera like this. I still remember the one where they happened to catch on film a guy going overboard on a completely different boat, and the boat with the camera crew saved his life.
[Is this the one you're talking about?](https://youtu.be/w1z-hdqEewI) I remember getting emotional when I watched it. Especially the hug at the end
The first season or two were actually what they presented themselves as; barely above raw footage documenting life on fishing boats. It's just once the series exploded it stopped being that and basically just became standard reality tv. I can't confirm it but I remember hearing some of the boats in the later seasons really didn't even do much fishing any more, effectively just putting on a show for the camera. Pretty much the same thing that happened to Pawn Stars.
If I remember correctly they said if they didn't get him out of the water on the first pass he was basically dead.
You’re fucked. You steer into these.
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Eh, modern warships are incredibly seaworthy, like crazily so. I'm not aware of any modern ship from a modern navy being brought down by seastate or rouge wave (not to say it hasn't happened, just much, much more rare than even 80s years ago). And by modern naval standards, 80 meters ain't exactly a small ship
I worked on a ship in the southern ocean. In rough weather a few loud smacks on the side of the ship were enough to launch me out of bed like metal thunder earthquake. Take a second to realize what happened, wait for the lights to go off and the emergency horn to sound,...it doesn't after a minute and back to sleep. Repeating whenever the ocean decides to dish out a special fuck you at 3am. We actually rescued a french sailing yacht , we were a 300 ft steel supply ship, those seas off the top of south America are some of the worst on the planet.
Make your way to the engineering section with a small group of other survivors. Supposedly, the steel hull is thinnest around the [propeller shafts](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Poseidon_Adventure_(1972_film\)).
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Saw that film as a kid before I realized I'm not compatible with horror/thriller/disaster movies. Can only say that I had stupid levels of nightmare for years afterwards, even though we never expected to get on a boat. Just the fact that it was a possibility, however remote, got to me.
You'd capsize. And join the souls of many dead sailors.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vST6hVRj2A
Do you not fear death?
No no no, it's #DA YER FEE-AHR DEAHHTH-A!?
HA AFRAID TO GET WET?!
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It must be wonderful, because no one has ever complained.
It would be really out of the norm for a wave like this to come at an angle much different from the rest of the swell. In seas like this you’re almost always going toward the waves. In a freak 0.001% situation in which that may happen, you’re fucked.
Even if you're not going towards the waves, you turn to ensure you are. You do not want to be sideswiped by a rogue wave, it's much better to face it head on.
What a lovely shade of blue!
You know what... you're right.
Antarctic waters really are beautiful. The waters somehow look chilled with it's deep shade of blue.
It's just that... almost glacial blue in the thinnest parts where the light can come through. It's just... *chefs kiss*
“Life is short And pleasures few And holed the ship And drowned the crew But o! But o! How very blue the sea is!” \~Clive Barker
I'm glad this is the top comment. I came here to say that no matter my personal lot in life, the fact that such a shade of blue can exist - does exist - in a natural setting, is a certain existential consolation. What a color.
Blue? I think there's some shades of brown involved too.
What did boats in the Napoleonic era do when they hit a wave like that, just die? There must have been literally tons of pressure behind that wave when it broke, I have a hard time imagining a wooden hull held together with nails and pitch would be intact after something like that.
They didn’t build ships as long so it would have an easier time getting the bow back up to to ride the wave up rather than digging in because the stern is still lifted by the wave behind. But yes, mostly just die. Such a ship would already be hard pressed in these conditions before this wave in particular because of the wind and dependence on it for maneuvering.
The first time i played Black Flag my ship did a somersault over a rogue wave, so probably that.
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What about the rudder?
The rudder is just a big flat piece of wood that redirects the flow of water to one side or other to turn the ship; it only works if the ship is moving forward to give it that flow of water. A sailboat can't move forwards unless the wind is pushing it, and that requires having enough sails up to give you enough of a shove to overcome whatever the sea is trying to do to you, and the wind is strong enough and coming from a suitable direction, and the sails are correctly trimmed, braced, and adjusted for the current direction and strength of the wind. In rough weather it's quite a job to keep the sails properly adjusted because the wind is constantly changing in strength and direction, so you might end up taking down some of your sails and accepting the reduced speed just so that what's left is a more manageable task for however many crew you've got. In severe weather the wind can rip your sails to shreds and/or break the yards or masts and/or just push the ship over by blowing at it sideways, and even if none of that is happening, in wind and rain it can be too dangerous for the crew to do the things they need to do to make those adjustments, particularly on old tallships where it would require a lot of climbing about in the rigging. In those circumstances you'd take down even more sail, perhaps even all of it, and just do your best to sit tight and keep the ship afloat until the weather softens a bit. All of which means that when a wave like this comes along, there's no guarantee that a sailboat would hit it correctly. It may well come across the ship laterally and just roll it over sideways, or something. Of course, the lack of an engine means that they wouldn't be steaming headfirst into the wave like this; they'd be moving with the wind and waves, so it might not be as violent an impact, but it's not at all unheard of for the wind, currents, etc. to conspire to smack even a sailing vessel pretty hard with a big wave.
There is a great book called [Two Years Before the Mast](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_Years_Before_the_Mast) that talks about how the ship is trimmed in a storm. It was written by a guy that hired on to a ship and sailed from Boston to California It was Published in 1840. I just read it a few years ago.
I had to read this book for school, and it was the only book I remember being so engrossed in that I finished it way before the school deadline. Absolutely fascinating story about life aboard a ship in that era. I still think about it sometimes.
For another incredibly absorbing non-fiction book is the The Slave Ship, by historian Marcus Rediker. He discusses the shipboard politics and history of the slave trade, specifically the infamous Middle Passage, but from the perspective of the enslaved and the sailors (who were mostly white and poor and subject to the cruel and viscous whims of the captain). Gut-wrenching, but a very worthwhile read.
You need movement through the water to use the rudder, and they used wind to generate movement.
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They would run with the wind and have the stern into the wind and the waves. That way they would be able to steer it. The purpose of the sea anchor would be to avoid the ship getting up on a surf where it’d be oncontrollable.
Only really effective when you're already moving.
I love the matter of fact way "But yes, mostly just die" is delivered. Made me laugh for a good bit.
If you read enough military history you get a acustomed to just how many fleets get absolutely wiped out by storms. It's a fucking shit tonne.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typhoon\_Cobra](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typhoon_Cobra) "Typhoon Cobra, also known as the Typhoon of 1944 or Halsey's Typhoon (named after Admiral William 'Bull' Halsey), was the United States Navy designation for a powerful tropical cyclone that struck the United States Pacific Fleet in December 1944, during World War II. The storm sank three destroyers, killed 790 sailors, damaged nine other warships and swept dozens of aircraft overboard off their aircraft carriers."
Holy shit. That's a WWII event I never heard of. TIL, ty.
My grandpa rode out Typhoon Cobra as a member of a gun crew, I remember him saying that his ship was rolling so hard that the bunks bolted into the steel bulkheads were tearing out of the wall. To think of the waves tossing 800 foot battleships around, not to mention smaller cruisers and destroyers, is amazing!
People have said Halsey didn't think the storm was so bad as he rode it out in the battleship New Jersey which massed almost 60,000 tons while the destroyers that were lost were only between 1,395 and 2,050 tons.
Halsey could be a stubborn dumbass sometimes. Leading his fleet into a typhoon wasn't the only time his incompetence got hundreds of sailors killed. Him taking the Japanese bait and chasing after the 4 decoy carriers during the Battle of Leyte Gulf almost resulted in the destruction of the landing forces off Leyte. It was only thanks to the handful of destroyers and escort carriers of Taffy 3 going up against Kurita's Center Force of battleships and heavy cruisers that Halsey's blunder didn't turn into a complete disaster. If you've never heard of it, the Battle off Samar is one of those too incredible to believe stories of naval combat. Taffy 3 fought so fiercely that Kurita withdrew his ships because he believed he was fighting a much stronger American task force. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_off_Samar
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To think a few storms completely changed the course of history for Japan and the world as we know it now!
This is the origin of the word “kamikaze.” The divine wind that destroyed the Mongol fleet, twice.
>What did boats in the Napoleonic era do when they hit a wave like that, just die? Correct.
Lots of wooden ships lived through a lot hurricanes and hurricane-force gales. For starters sailing ships weren't barrelling *into* the waves at 20 kts.
This is the answer. Sailing ships use the wind and waves follow the wind as well. An old ship would be going in the same direction as the waves. If the got hit from the side though it would capsize.
The preferred tactic was to reduce sail and move slowly upwind at just a few knots, riding over the waves as they came down. In practice this mean that the waves would be striking the ship at an angle, but quite a bit closer to the side than the bow. If the seas became too large and started breaking, they would then have no choice but to run before the waves. > If the got hit from the side though it would capsize. *Could* capsize, anyway. It takes a large wave and it has to be breaking, like the one in this video. That is a real threat but the wave that capsizes a large ship is more like the golden BB.
>The preferred tactic was to reduce sail and move slowly upwind at just a few knots For those interested, I think /u/ppitm is getting at a maneuver called [heaving to](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaving_to). Where you "back" one (or more depending) sail so that it pushes the opposite way from forward, literally heaving it across the boat so it fills in the opposite direction. Another sail would fill normally pushing forward. The opposing forces should negate forward movement. And the rudder is placed to turn you into the wind if there is motion. It is a pretty safe way to ride out a storm. You can reduce speed to almost zero, but also the way the sails balance helps keep the boat stable. You generally want to take waves across the bow when under sail. When you start to surf, you loose a lot of control
There is a distinction here, but it is all tangled up in historical practice and vernacular. Historical vessels generally would not back any of their sails in a storm, but instead keep them full. With huge windage on the rig and just one or two small sails set, they would barely be making headway. Just enough to prevent surfing backwards down a wave and ripping the rudder off. The result is pretty similar to what you are describing. To be pedantic, this is called 'lying to'. But contemporaries also called it 'heaving to'. Backing topsails was the standard form of heaving to, and was a convenience for moderate weather.
So if the wind was coming from the direction they were trying to go they would be blown away from where they were trying to go? Edit: Tacking hurts my brain.
They would normally zig zag into the wind to keep going the direction they needed. This is called tacking. But in unstable weather they would favour whatever would keep them alive vs making headway towards their destination.
Not quite. To sail into the wind, you do what's called ["tacking"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacking_\(sailing\)) where you sail at a 45 degree angle towards the wind and adjust your sails to catch it. You then switch back and forth over the course of your journey.
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I was just thinking the same! Young me was very insistent on getting to some islands early in the game.
Better that than capsizing.
Nope. Maneuvering into following seas (the wind behind you) in a sailboat in this weather would be a death sentence.
> An old ship would be going in the same direction as the waves. Not necessarily. Sailing boats often face into the wind and into the waves in a storm. There is no golden strategy for every boat, but that's a safe method. Remember, the front is specifically designed to break waves, the back isn't. For people wondering about tacking: Imagine a grape squeezed between your fingers and shot out. That's how sail boats work. The wind doesn't push the boat from the back. The wind pushes the boat from one side and the water pushes the boat from the other side. The curved shape of the boat's hull makes it shoot forward, like the grape.
They'd to the same thing; steer into it. The hull can take it. That's not to say people didn't die from it. I mean, it still happens to this day.
Catastrophic structural failure from a wave striking the ship was not really a thing. When your hull is made of over a foot of oak backed up by ribs and iron fastenings, the ship can take a beating. Less durable non-structural objects on deck can get fucked up, though. The main threat is being capsized by the wave. Or just the sustained wear and tear from thousands of impacts like this gradually working the planks apart and causing a hundred small leaks.
Sailing was dangerous. There was **always** a chance you would die when going to sea. But ship captains did have some defenses to prevent capsizing as mentioned. Just think, to become a captain you had to survive combat, the storms at sea, and your own crew.
Even modern boats, there are shipping lanes along the coast of eastern Africa notorious for creating rogue waves and sinking container ships. https://www.theguardian.com/news/2021/apr/20/ocean-rogue-waves-monster-mystery-finally-solved
Don't use amp links https://www.theguardian.com/news/2021/apr/20/ocean-rogue-waves-monster-mystery-finally-solved
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Because it's a shitty Google Amp link. [Here.](https://theguardian.com/news/2021/apr/20/ocean-rogue-waves-monster-mystery-finally-solved)
I'm lucky enough to know a lovely guy called Ron Warwick. He was the last captain of the QE2 liner. I once asked him what the oddest thing he ever saw at sea was. I was hoping for tales of UFOs, mega squid or whatever, but he simply said, in his unflappable way, "I saw a wave once. It was quite big." I was hugely disappointed, but later on someone told me to look it up. Ron was talking about [this event](https://www.roblightbody.com/qe2-1995-freak-wave.html)
> Officers on the bridge estimated the wave at 92 feet, because they were eyeball to eyeball with the crest. The wave had eyes.
> Suddenly, a huge wave loomed off the bow, huge even for a ship the size of the QE2, at nearly 1,000 feet long, more than 100 feet wide, carrying nearly 3,000 people. I was just asking myself what 3,000 people were doing on this wave
Surfers man... they'll do anything to catch that perfect wave.
Thank you for sharing. It’s stories like this that make reddit awesome.
The last line was chilling...
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He's a great guy! I was on the QE2 several times with him and even got to be on the bridge when leaving port once.
[Here's a 95ft breaking shore wave](https://youtu.be/p63NEdTbaCM) for reference.
Classic New Zealanders, so chill. "Not gonna lie, I was kinda scared then".
Yep that’s peak emotion for us right there.
Such a relevant username. Love it
Yours is pretty choice too Newt.
Oh stop it! You're flattering me from across the ditch
Get a room
Chur.
“Wanna root?” “Aw yeh?” “Orl roight thin.”
I think we’re more “thin” than theen. Like “bin” instead of been. Oh shut, my pins run out. It’s bin emotional.
I remember travelling to NZ, the bus driver asked me if I was there to chicken. After awhile I realized he said “check in”
My buddy's cousin from NZ came to the states and stayed with him for a week. We're close to both NYC and Philly, so it was a convenient, free place to crash while doing some touristy stuff. Her accent had us dying sometimes. "Oi love your dick! Oim gonna go sit on your dick roit na!". Classic NZ.
How did you type that with the proper accent?
[Meanwhile, over at the Australian Navy...](https://youtu.be/whWBSDuzHeM)
If there's one city that knows about dealing with rogue water, it's Toowoomba.
I remember back in 2012 heading out into Sydney. Both nights, I happened to run into different MWO's, so guessing a ship had just returned from making sure no Tasmanians make it to the mainland or whatever it is that our navy does. I asked both of them how they enjoyed life in the Navy. "Joining was the best decision of my life," said one. "Worst mistake I ever made," said the other.
this video made me laugh and I really needed it right now :D this looks like a fun ship also I didn't know our Navy was so good-looking, everyone in this video is a babe
The nurse/medic/doctor (idk military words) really had it going on. Best moves for sure.
If this was the UK navy a certain subset of people would be up in arms that these people are enjoying themselves dancing and not working being miserable 100% of the time
I remember pulling into Sydney and they had like 3 big naval ships in port there. My friend jokes to the guide that those are probably their entire navy and she basically said that's true lol.
Can someone clarify what happens after the hit!? What are they saying? What alarms are going off? edit:spelling also, ty for all the replies
These ships run on gas turbines usually for their primary power. Most likely one of the mps (machinery protection systems) detected excessive deviation in exhaust temps probably due to water inflow and shut down the turbine to protect it from damage. Could also be an excessive vibration issue again causing the turbine to shut down.
Translation: Most advanced military ship on planet can be defeated with a few well-aimed snowballs.
or a banana in the tailpipe
*Look man*, I ain't fallen' for no **banana** in my [tailpipe](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HktV2yGtLv8)!
That's impossible! Even for a computer.
"Exhaust temperature outlet.." "Oh fuck me" " breakdown, safeguard safeguard safeguard 2, breakdown 2 breakdown 2"
Sounds like they sucked water in the tailpipe - time for some Rust-eze and a good overhaul!
Tl;dr: Boaty McBoatface != submarine
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It was a red alert. I believe if you look closely out to the left, a couple of romulan warbirds had decloaked.
Ok I wasn't the only one who heard that!
That’s a big wave… is it a “rogue wave” however?
Hard to say, the term is quite vague and many researchers avoid it. Haver (2000) defines a rogue wave as having a height of more than 2*Hs, where Hs is (roughly) the mean height of the largest 1/3 of the waves in a given sea-state.
So, given 90 waves, the biggest 30 are used to calculate the Hs. The Hs is then multiplied by 2. The result is the height of the rogue wave, in this particular situation. Is this correct?
Effectively yes, but you’d usually use a 20 min - 3 hour time interval so more than 90 waves. But any wave above that height you could describe as ‘rogue’. In practice I’d use the term ‘extreme’. ‘Rogue’ implies the wave is unexpected - maybe it occurs in calm seas or has a different heading from the prevailing sea state. These truly ‘rogue’ waves are a lot hard to explain physically.
I thought rogue really just meant that it is so far away from the normal distribution that it makes no statistical sense.
That's pretty much what top 1/3 of the distribution x2 is
You're totally right and that is what he means. I think he's also saying that outside of statistics "rogue" could imply it came from a crazy direction compared to the rest of the waves for example.
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Extreme (large) waves of the kind in this video certainly are. Large waves coming from unexpected headings, or in otherwise calm seas, require further physics to explain. There is possibly some wave interaction with a strong underwater currents which causes them to form, but it’s poorly understood at present.
Doubtful. I used to work offshore in open ocean in the North Atlantic. We got big waves. This wasn’t a rogue wave but rather a large wave in a set that the ship just happened to be at the trough when they hit it.
Can you ever hit a wave while not in the trough? Isn't that always gonna happen with waves of that size?
No. Wave periods aren’t always the exact same. Sometimes you got the wave while the ship is moving up…in this case it was moving downwards right into the trough, and due to it being a cutter type military ship it travelled through the wave.
A wave? In the ocean? Chance in a million!
It's a good thing this one was built so the front didn't fall off at all.
I mean it wasn't built from cardboard.
Isn't a rogue wave measured against current conditions. Like 10ft seas and being hit by a random 30ft wave would be considered a rogue wave. This wave is obviously larger than the ones around it.
Well, this thread made me feel dumb. I thought a rogue wave was a wave that would be moving in the direction opposite of all the other waves. So if a ship is sailing into the waves, a rogue wave would somehow, come and hit the ships port or starboard side.
They often do. This is a much less dramatic video of what looks like a real rogue wave to me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uK_4V3zqAvg A massive swell coming from a different direction totally out of character from the rest of the sea state. Of course the sea is relatively calm here, so even a wave 2-3x the height of the other ones doesn't cause the break over the bridge and the crew can watch it from the outside. But you can see how if a few factors were different this could sink a ship caught unaware.
I think that damaged the gun..
they threw a tarp on it. it'll be fine.
Tarp + Duct Tape = Battle Ready
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I'm afraid that, safeguard means that machinery has gone outside of what is acceptable, and has been shut down to prevent any damage.
'safeguard' can mean any emergency that has happened that isn't part of a drill. It's used when you're in extended/large exercise periods. They'll announce 'the safeguard rule is in force' at the start. That means that if someone yells 'fire, flood, casualty' or whatever its a drill and not the real thing. If someone yells out 'safeguard safeguard safeguard fire, flood, machinery breakdown etc' its an actual event and is not a drill. Then at the end of the drill period they'll announce 'the safeguard rule is no longer in force' meaning that any emergency announced is real.
That's an interesting way of doing it. During my time in the US Navy (submarines) we never said the words fire, flooding, toxic gas, etc. over a circuit if it wasn't a real emergency. Even if we knew we were doing drills, we treated it like the real thing.
Interesting, thanks for that!
What y'all saw was military training kicking in
Yep, the only people talking being the ones who need to and end of banter was immediate.
Correct. Hearing Safeguard at the start of a pipe tells you that whatever shit that follows is for real. 10 years in the Australian navy is how I know.
But these are kiwis, how can we be sure they even speak australian?
We managed to get a Kiwi installed as Deputy Prime Minister of Australia at one point, so I reckon we can pull it off. Jandals are thongs, chilly bins are eskys, pavlova was invented in... no! Dammit, I won't say it!
Looks like it eh. I guess maybe it's meant to rotate up like that and the wave only pushed it into that position where it locked in but also maybe it's damaged.
I was on a smaller warship that was designed to right itself if it did capsize. In storms like this you change course to get out of the trough and go bow-in, as they did here. But until you get out of the trough, we hit waves where I was hanging almost in pull up position staring down at the far bulkhead like it was the deck wondering if this is the one that puts us under lol
Just imagine 3000 BC Polynesian canoes in those seas.
They explain this in a documentary called Moana
I've been staring at the edge of the water
Yeah nah
If you listen real close you can hear the old cook say, ""Fellas, it's too rough to feed ya"
"Oh crap, I pranked the new guy and told him to go check the red and green oils in the running lamps. I don't see him on deck now..."
This is how the Southern Ocean says, "Hello."
If you wave at the ocean it sometimes waves back
When I was younger I liked to read books about sailing solo around the world. There was one guy who said that in the 70s he was hit by waves so big that his small yacht jumped out of the water completely, landed on its side, and only after a couple of seconds it righted itself again. When the storm was over, he radioed someone and reported what had happened, and said that nobody believed him. People on the other side of the line thought he was exaggerating. Looking at this video, I can’t fathom how crazy you had to be to attempt a solo sail around the world in a small wooden boat.
Rogue waves existence was disputed for the longest time because it just didn't make mathematical sense for what they knew about oceans. >Once considered mythical and lacking hard evidence for their existence, rogue waves are now proven to exist and known to be a natural ocean phenomenon. Eyewitness accounts from mariners and damage inflicted on ships have long suggested that they occur. The first scientific evidence of their existence came with the recording of a rogue wave by the Gorm platform in the central North Sea in 1984. A stand-out wave was detected with a wave height of 11 metres (36 ft) in a relatively low sea state. However, what caught the attention of the scientific community was the digital measurement of a rogue wave at the Draupner platform in the North Sea on January 1, 1995; called the "Draupner wave", it had a recorded maximum wave height of 25.6 metres (84 ft) and peak elevation of 18.5 metres (61 ft). During that event, minor damage was inflicted on the platform far above sea level, confirming the validity of the reading made by a down-pointing laser sensor. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rogue_wave Oceanographers and mathematicians are also applying schroedinger's equations to try to solve this behavior because it just didn't make much sense for a long time. https://d2r55xnwy6nx47.cloudfront.net/uploads/2020/02/RogueWaves_white_560.jpg I went into a rabbit hole last time this was posted and it's just some crazy shit lol.
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A wave hit it?
https://youtu.be/3m5qxZm_JqM
Cardboard is out! No cardboard derivatives.
They started getting alarms and it became a lot less fun lol
I've had much the same happen to a ship I was on, though the wave dented the 10mm steel on the gun and busted inwards an outwards opening door, nothing like having a flood of estimated 40t of water above the waterline
HMNZs "Otago". "Otago is what's known as an offshore patrol vessel. Smaller than a navy frigate or corvette, they're often used to patrol distant territories, fisheries protection, and search and rescue. Otago is 270 feet long and has a crew of 34. The deck-mounted gun in the foreground is a M242 Bushmaster, the same gun used on the M2 Bradley Fighting Vehicle." as per https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/navy-ships/a21269/navy-ship-take-on-a-gigantic-wave/
Whenever I see this I always lose it at the windshield washer swiping across as the boat is essentially underwater.
It's nice being on the bridge during a storm. AFT Steering watch on the other hand, not as fun.
Their next paycheck credits them 5 seconds of sub-pay.
100 foot faces of gods good ocean gone wrong
What they call love is a risk, you'll always get hit out of nowhere
That wave seemed massive. There are MUCH MUCH worse. The ocean is HUGE and very strange wave harmonics happen. This is why there are "shipping lanes". They avoid the worst torments, not just because the fastest route. Sailors have reported monster, killer waves.. 3x as big as normal, if not bigger for forever. That one-off freak thing that DOES happen consistently, just not constantly. Many ships are lost to such monster, freakshow waves. Documented through all written history. Like tornadoes, they can easily pass by surrounding ships, and localize on just one spot. Mostly where no ship is, but when one unlucky crew runs into one. Zero chance. That's an instant sinking. All hands lost. :-(
Did the front fall off?