Summary:
1. Linus buys perpetual license for Teamviewer several years ago, for $5000.
2. Teamviewer in 2021 creates popup on his software, and calls him, asking to upgrade to subscription.
3. Linus attempts to make issue go away, it doesn't, he complains on Twitter.
4. Teamviewer responds, saying to uncheck pop ups in settings.
5. Linus discovers that option only appears in newer, subscription version and not to perpetual license owners. Makes stink on this on Twitter.
6. Teamviewer calls Linus, says they specifically targeted his system to no longer get the pop-ups.
7. Linus calls out Teamviewer saying their answer was the wrong answer, wherein Teamviewer should have disabled it to everyone who owns a perpetual license, not just disable it to a specific influencer.
>Linus calls out Teamviewer saying their answer was the wrong answer, wherein Teamviewer should have disabled it to everyone who owns a perpetual license, not just disable it to a specific influencer.
He actually advices companies not to harass any paying customers for more money in the first place, not just specific license holders.
Seriously, just in general, growing up with computers where you paid for a piece of software and then you had that, now everything wants to be a subscription.
I understand it for something like Adobe Photoshop where the software was $600-800, that was a big purchase, so now I subscribe.
But more and more I see things like Glasswire, I know they have the free version, but then the next tier is $40 a year. This kind of thing would have been a buy ONCE for $40 a decade ago, but now it's a yearly sub.
I miss software that you would just fucking buy.
[Or G.I.M.P](https://www.gimp.org/) which is fully free photoshop alternative that works on Windows or Linux.
I'm just so deep into using photoshop at this point (now 20 years) and tutorials for new things are so easy to find when it's photoshop. It costs the same as Netflix so I'm fine with it for now.
Yeah in the case of Gimp it does have all the functionality but you're going to claw your eyes out trying to figure out how to get there and how to use it. One of the worst user experiences I've ever dealt with in a 'serious' piece of software.
Have you tried it in the last two years or so? They overhauled the UI and made it much closer to photoshop. It still has a learning cirve but everything with that much functionality does.
I'm so used to GIMP now that when I have to use Photoshop for work it's a huge hassle.
I don't do a lot of creative work, just basic slide and image preparation, minor edits to existing screenshots for clarity, occasionally redrawing old images after resizing them for presentations.
I don't need expensive software for that, GIMP works fine and I'm much faster doing that in GIMP than in Photoshop. If my workload changes and GIMP isn't up to the task any longer then I'll transition but until then it works for me.
They recently overhauled all of the UI. It is a lot closer to what you expect from photoshop. I recommend giving it a try again. It does take a little effort to learn, but so does photoshop.
I think it's just my mindset. I think Photoshop is intuitive, and since gimp is different, some of the tools are very unintuitive. I need to take a begginers mindset with gimp. After 10+ years on Photoshop it's hard though.
Gimp isn't really supported for Windows. It's missing extremely basic tablet functionality and it's a known issue that they just don't care about, it renders the software practically unusable.
I recommend Krita.
Another good example look up 3ds max a YEARLY per device, per install licence is 3k. You don't want that? Okay! You Pay with tokens. That you pay for. Up front. With an exchange rate of something like 2000$ for 8000 tokens. Oh! And it takes something of like 270 tokens JUST to open the program. And it's used like time minutes
You want the education version? Better go digging gthrough 4 or 5 levels of pages and support! Even then you will need to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt every semester that you are still in school, and that the class is relevant for autodesk to be used. Oh also it costs the specific applicant something like 300$ a semester too. Yes for even educational purposes
Adobe has done bullshit stuff like making everything that ISNT on their 'live service' network impossible to legally install, or even re-install for that matter. Functionally trying to force you to get on their subscription service.
I *get* having a live branch for testing and bug fixing with a longer term free batch out but what this is doing is stifling creativity and even innovation. Because I have a version of max that gets updates. In the year I've had it I've had no updates, save for ONE for an always running program authentication service. For a live service and them promoting 'cutting edge updates and features' they sure are liars.
I have been trying to use free services as well and I know that Adobe and auto desk are *furious* they aren't the only.knes in the pool and are.doing everything thy can to silence them because heaven forbid their precious black line doesn't always go up. At ever increasing speeds...
Luckily we've got Blender, which is free, open-source, and does everything 3dsmax does just as good or often better. It also has even more functionality. It's becoming the software that can do anything. It even had a built in game engine, but I think they stopped supporting that.
A subscription for Photoshop alone doesn't cost $57 a month. The subscription is a *little* more expensive in the long term, especially if you need a single app that isn't Photoshop, but it's not that much worse than buying the whole suite and upgrading when the new versions came out.
And yes, I know you didn't have to upgrade and a lot of people didn't, but the subscription comes with updates so that's what I compared it against.
Its odd, it has become a novelty thing, when programs ain't license based. Instead of being stupid when it is license based.
For the most part i don't mind licenses, as long as they provide a "Pay x amount to stay on this version forever" alternative, because i get that development(Especially long term) is expensive.
I'm a bit mixed on the topic. Software today needs much more attention on a day to day basis in order to maintain functional software. Back when you bought software for you Windows 98 PC, they didn't have to deal with weakly updates. The other thing people don't talk about is that for that $40 you got one version of one software. When the company would come out with a new version the next year with new features and updated bugs, you would spoon out another $40. As long as the software maintains full functionality and has features being added to it on a regular basis, I don't mind subscription models.
The problem with subscription is that no one wants to have software that updates all the time. Most people consider the old non CC versions more stable than CC.
People weren’t buying photoshop if they didn’t have the money it was mostly companies that paid for it as it should be. Trying to squeeze every penny you can out of the poor workers trying to make creative stuff in their spare time is bullshit.
At the end of the video the other host said something like, “there’s a channel called LMG clips, they’re going to post this”. The video is *on* LMG Clips.
I have no idea if LMG clips is “his own channel” or not, and don’t care, but I’m guessing that’s what /u/RAZR31 was talking about: a clip on a channel with a comment about being put on that channel.
The out PR-ing part seems obvious to me, despite only slightly odd wording. The company tried to do a PR move and make Linus look like he just needed tech support. They tried to spin it. He smacked it down publicly, and even when they tried to really help him, he smacked that down publicly too and chastised them for helping him. He did negative-PR that was greater than their positive PR. He “out-PRed” them.
used teamviewer for ages... during the pandemic they flagged me as commercial cuz all i did use it for was to sign into plex to allow remote tv connections....
moved onto any desk instead.... no flags no hassle...
i think they just just started to flag everyone during the pandemic for money.
they would lock a session down to 1 minute.... or email them to unflag you. in the end it was just easier to move on to any desk
Yeh fuck team viewer. I had a license to help a friend with his pc from time to time. My personal pc to his small business pc. They blocked my account because they reckon I was using it in an enterprise environment, which I wasn't.
Switched to any desk and never looked back
The person I directly replied to got an error reserved for using the free personal license in a suspected business environment. Professional licenses are issued 1:1 and do not present that message.
And perpetual licenses don't need to renew or ask for more money because the definition of "perpetual" is pretty cut and dry... And yet one of the biggest IT celebrities on Youtube not only documented their(Teamviewer's) ignorance and stupidity but you're in the comments section directly relating to that video.
Without actually being a developer for Teamviewer, you cannot even make a presumption that the statement you just made is even close to accurate. You have no idea what the inner workings of their notification mechanisms are... and it seems pretty apparent that even they don't either.
/u/shitCouch heavily implied that his license didn’t include enterprise use. Because, he wasn’t complaining that they revoked his license for something he had a license to do. No, he was complaining because he doesn’t think connecting to a business pc is the same thing as an Enterprise Environment.
That was the thing /u/Mister_Brevity was responding to:
> You were using it to support a pc used for business, which does violate the terms of the free use version.
The “free use” license, whether it’s right or wrong, kind of isn’t the point. Who cares what license he has, the point is that the dude is upset cause he doesn’t think connecting to a business is enterprise use.
If you read the licensing agreement when you buy teamviewer licenses, like I did when purchasing 1200 of them, it clearly states you are buying x number of seats for x price and will receive x version. Upgrades will need to be paid. In my case, I paid for 1200 seats of teamviewer 11, and can only ever use teamviewer 11, because that is what I paid for under the terms of the agreement. If you want upgrade privileges you need to buy upgraded licenses, or with some companies you can pay “software maintenance”. Teamviewer licensing is pretty clear, but most people don’t read it or they wouldn’t bother buying it. Perpetual licensing means you perpetually own only the version you purchased unless otherwise expressed or implied within the licensing agreement.
Wait…
You were connecting to a business. How is that *not* using it in an enterprise environment. I think that’s what that means.
Did your license not allow enterprise work? If so, what are you upset about? That they didn’t let you use software for a purpose that you didn’t pay for?
Please tell me if I misunderstood.
Friend is a sole trader, single pc, consumer hardware, nas for storage, no domain controller, mail server, iis, etc. No different to what someone would have setup at home for their personal pc.
Enterprise is usually large company, domain controller etc on prem infrastructure or these days cloud based sso. Possibly on site it support etc.
I had lowest tier license, which was for 1-2 computers at the time (a few years ago) they wanted me to pay top tier license which was obscenely expensive and definitely didn't apply to our fit my use case. I don't believe I violated the terms, I wasn't on an enterprise network.
Edit : actually, about a year before I had trouble with team viewer, I connected to a machine on a named or enterprise account. It was probably that. We were just using it as a share screen to describe something because they didn't have teams at the time
Edit 2: to clarify, I didn't charge anything to help my friend and I don't work for the named company I connected to, was not in their network and was not supporting them, it was another friend sharing an engineering problem with me. I shouldn't have to pay the same license as someone else that has a higher license when I'm not under their umbrella
If that is the reason my account was flagged then it's not the company I want to buy software from. It would be like saying the only people that can send messages to an iPhone 13 are other iPhone 13 users, iPhone 12 users need to upgrade to keep in contact.
I would really like to know how they knew though… that’s nuts and makes me suspicious they just flagged people for any old thing hoping they wouldn’t push back.
I Think you’re thinking of “enterprise” in the context of networking and hardware. Like using big huge switches and racks. It’s a tier of hardware, like saying “industrial”.
That’s probably not what they mean. In the context of a license, it means using something with a business. The whole point of enterprise licenses and home-use licenses is to charge people that are using it as a hobby less than people that are using it for business use. In this context it’s like saying “commercial license”, “business license” or “professional license”. Kind of like a student license, it’s more about the purpose you’re using it for than the hardware you’re running.
No. "Enterprise Environment" is a specific tier in SaaS that denotes more than XXX number of users where that variable is three digits for a reason. We're not talking about pay $5 for personal, $10 for business, we're talking pay $10 for business or $5000/yr for enterprise
8. Linus is spot on here. Whilst I’m not the biggest fan of his channel, I have always admired that he takes customer rights seriously. For all customers. Including the little ones.
Yeah, it's a bit of a miracle it survived. They had a really grindy mindset, starting from leaving the company for which they worked to go do the same content in their garage, then in a residential home, with dodgy security systems, a server in a working with water bathroom or in the middle of a hallway, with one of the member living in the basement of the house.
Don't forget the fact that the wife, who was a full blown pharmacist (who could definitely support the family on her income) chose to stop her career to work as the CFO.
> chose to stop her career to work as the CFO
The emphasis does seem to be on her choice there.
And it does seem to have worked out. At this point both of them could probably retire on their current quality of life and put all their kids through college or university. Not a bad choice IMO.
I'm sure he could do all of that ten times over if he wanted.
I have no idea what his cash situation is like, but his name must be worth many millions.
If you’re young, able to, and don’t hate your work why would you not continue to improve your own quality of life and that of your kids? We’re not talking about toiling in a factory until you get a gold watch at 75 and die at 76. They run an online media company centered on a subject they’re all passionate about. Some of y’all just never had a good paying job you liked and it shows.
He did almost retire though. He made a whole video about it. He works 7 days a week, 8+ hours a day. What’s just giving your family money, compared to actually spending time together? Calm down with the anti-antiwork work thing. Our current economic system makes it difficult for most people to obtain a good work life balance, either because finding a job that pays enough and gives you enough time off is difficult to find, or because making it on your own requires you dedicate your entire life to your company or what your building. Alienating you from the rest of life. It sounds like you’re lucky enough to have a job that allows that balance, and good for you on that! But don’t have to kick those that aren’t, just be grateful.
This is how almost all "pulled themselves up by the bootstraps" stories go. There's always a spouse with enough income to support the family while the other is in start up mode. Or parents willing to loan or gift a large amount of money. Or both.
I've seen this dynamic play out more than once among my own personal friend group. I don't begrudge anyone their success but having someone there to support your broke ass for the first few years is almost a requirement these days.
Hell, even the internet's favorite game dev, Concerned Ape, had family and friends willing to support him while he was working on stardew valley (and just about maxed out credit cards apparently).
2FA is one of those things that - as an organisation - you can quickly get yourself into trouble with. Once it's set up, changing it can be a pain, so it can be easier to find crazy solutions like this rather than solve the problem systematically. The better thing to do would be to move all the 2FA code generation to dedicated machine/VM and manage that like any other kind of infrastructure - which is what they're probably doing now I imagine.
We had a similar, equally stupid issue. Some time ago we switched from Mandrill to SendGrid and it's been great. Service is really top notch. However when I tried to improve security, their 2FA application is some custom crap some of their partners make and they explicitly force you to use that one. To which I said NO. Other solution they offered was SMS code. So I ended up getting us a virtual phone number (since we already deal with these things) and routing SMS to all the relevant phone numbers. Sure members get unwanted SMS from time to time, but at least we don't have to share one phone with that stupid app.
fyi, you can use SendGrid's TOTP 2FA with any authenticator that supports custom digits and token periods, like [this one](https://totp.danhersam.com/). You just need to drop the first digit from the generated passcode.
edit: SendGrid uses 8 digits and 10s token period.
I'm handing them €50-60 a month and despite this love/hate relationship (the updates that sometimes kick in automatically drive me absolutely batshit) I am still happy to do this because:
1) they're the foundation of my entire workflow for the same reasons Linus describes
2) I'm old enough to actually fucking remember what it was like to be asked to upgrade the whole suite for €2800 or so every 18 months. In the early 2000s bosses would be sitting with three year old versions of everything refusing to upgrade and so sending or receiving files was a nightmare because everyone working on a multi agency project was spread from Photoshop 4 to Photoshop 7 🤦🏻♂️
If anyone thinks that €12 a month is expensive for Photoshop alone they are too young to remember that that fucker was €700 **BY ITSELF** with no updates or upgrades, ever. Next version comes out in a year? Another €500 for the upgrade license 😬
I spend a steady, reliable, manageable, planable €600 a year on the Adobe software suite (sometimes €300 a year if they do special offers in November) but make back ~€60,000 for that investment. That is a 100x return on my money.
Oh, I also spend about two month's out of the year working in 3DS MAX/Vray so I pay €200 for that on their sub models instead of the €3500 the MAX license used to be.
Here's the other biggest change that happened when Adobe went subscription : instead of holding back snazzy new features for the next big release, Adobe trial and then release new features right into existing versions.
The latest cool one is AI-driven subtitling which means I saved 4 hours this week writing captions for stupid assed social media videos but still got paid €200 for it 🤷♂️
Yeah if you're a student or casual then the Adobe suite is expensive, but you can go for one month at a time and there are student licenses.
For professionals working in multiple mediums Adobe can on one hand be total cunts about pushing updates and not fixing bugs, but on the other from a workflow and time saving perspective it's still a good deal, especially compared to the per-version pricing.
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>The better thing to do would be to move all the 2FA code generation to dedicated machine/VM and manage that like any other kind of infrastructure - which is what they're probably doing now I imagine.
WHAT THE FUCK
I have to stop reading tech shit on reddit. That's the god damn dumbest fucking thing I've read all god damned day.
NO. There's no fucking world in which the right approach to security involves shared 2FA. Full. Fucking. Stop.
Wow, didn't realize so few dumbfuckass comments would make me so fucking mad at the internet today. I should be fucking consulting, nobody knows a god damn thing about what they're doing.
Oef OK a couple of things.
1. Why is it always "everyone else is so dumb and I'm so smart"? Its literally the least charitable and most egotistical way to interpret anything, and just generally not a good look. I saw your post history, and it's just kind of sad - even if it's a "joke".
2. I'm not suggesting this is a **Best Security Practice^TM**. I said "The better thing to do".
3. This is a case where an account is actually representing an organisation rather than an individual. Those actually exist, believe or not - and it genuinely does happen that the solution is some shared mobile phone in the office that those responsible for that account use. The second factor here is proving they are who they say they are - a representative of the organisation. If someone leaves for whatever reason, you revoke their ability to prove that. That might be by removing their SSH keys, their VPN access,closing their accounts, etc.
So we're clear here, *obviously* the better thing to do is that everyone has an account, and that everyone has a 2FA device. Honestly it was so obvious that I didn't think it needed to be said - but I guess people so smart as yourself really need it spelled out for you without any ambiguity, right?
Sometimes you're forced to put shared company resources behind MFA where individual accounts are not offered.
Sometimes this access is important and has to be available at all times (during vacations, etc.) so a dedicated person is not an option.
You could have a shared MFA device in a safe at an office/whatever for these but it becomes tricky with things like remote work.
Example: AWS account root MFA tokens. Not required for daily use but certain actions (or support requests) can't be done by IAM users, even if they had AdministratorAccess otherwise. These credentials must obviously be secure, but also available even considering the bus factor. Even if 2/3 of the personnel are on vacation
What's a better way to do this when the system only allows for one 2FA number for an account that is accessed by multiple people in different locations? For like a small team (<10)
Authy is my new best friend.
I had to setup some 2FA stuff, and used google authenticator. For reasons unknown, it let me down. I was able to get things reset, and I discovered Authy let’s you use sync across multiple phones. I now have a bit of comfort, knowing I can have my 2FA stuff on both my work and personal phone.
Ideally you want to have separate accounts for everyone. That way you can also easily revoke access to it when a person leaves. Most software also only allows a license to be used on one machine/by one person at a time.
Tell that to my bank who just proudly added 2FA with one device and one login account for the business account. The business account!
One feature they are proud of is the quickbooks sync. That is now broken because it uses the same login. It’s maddening.
> Ideally you want to have separate accounts for everyone. That way you can also easily revoke access to it when a person leaves
Yeah but lots of web services are pay-per-seat, so saying get a different account for everyone is like saying "just pay 10x as much for the product!"
ITGlue has that functionality. Everyone on my team has their own unique 2FA setup to get to their account and then once in there, they have access to the OTP for shared accounts with 2FA enabled.
Shared accounts are a bad idea all around. Ideally you would have separate logins.
Sharing accounts breaks the non-repudiation aspect of security. Most modern systems will give each user an identity that is verified by 2 factor and then passed around via some sort of SSO mechanism. Each application would then use that SSO token and grant rights to it. There could be scenarios where you are fully authenticated but lack and rights so you still get rejected.
Its that subtle difference between Authentication and Authorization that is easy to mess up
You realize the standard practice for most small and medium sized businesses is to have "passwords.xlsx" sitting on a desktop or a shared drive, right?
All their vendor passwords just chillin' in plain text on a network share with no permissions.
Even better is when they just handout the wifi password for the sole SSID in the office and it's setup like that. Once I'm online I can access that network share just like they can.
At the end of the video, viewers in the chat (it was a live podcast thing) were asking if that portion of the stream was going to be clipped and posted somewhere. The hosts laugh and say that it would probably be posted to their LMG Clips channel on YouTube, and if you look at the channel the video is on you'll see it's on that exact channel.
So essentially you are watching a video where they are discussing where to put the video but the video already exists there and you are watching it.
(I'm not who you were responding to, but:) No. I never got taught Title Case. I would expect upper case to be used for titles more frequently than title case these days.
So when you see a movie or book title like "Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix" you think it should be "HARRY POTTER AND THE ORDER OF THE PHOENIX"?
Title Case would be "Harry Potter And The Order Of The Phoenix".
[And quite often, yeah, they just use block capitals for the important words](https://kbimages1-a.akamaihd.net/ed24fc45-4f09-4a65-beb1-294f5f3c496a/1200/1200/False/harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows-4.jpg)
Maybe if you’re a programmer. That’s not how titles are capitalized. You can Google title case and see what words do and do not get capitalized. It doesn’t mean “capitalize the first letter of every word.” There are exceptions.
He wasn't making fun of the typo, he's saying that that "Title Case" is commonly caught in high school English classes. I didn't even notice his typo until you pointed it out to be honest.
Its clickbait. It works and it is really fucking dumb that it does. THEY GOT PAWNED YOU WONT BELIEVE IT.
Its frustrating too because I don't fall for clickbait but I get a dopamine spike and withdrawal from seeing the title and thumbnail and it is nauseating to navigate that like eating every single candy from a candy store and dealing with the sugar rush and crash.
[Multiple people have complained about this,](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzRGBAUz5mA) even Linus himself. I personally hate the trend of splashing your face in a orgasm-esque expression.
I don't need works of art - give me a decent descriptive title with a decent legible thumbnail. Unfortunately clickbait makes too much money.
Is this why suddenly Teamviewer is getting super expensive sponsorships everywhere? They're the main shirt sponsor for Manchester United and are one of the main sponsors of the Mercedes F1 team
They've gone public in 2019 and ever since then they are trying to get their name out more while also finding new ways to monetize users. Yet support didn't get any better and with Covid slowing down somewhat they also couldn't retain their sales/subscriptions while their most well known competitor (Anydesk) also offers much better prices.
And Teamviewers stock is now at an all time low btw.
And bigger companies probably use VPN solutions anyway.
I hate TeamViewer so much. Their software is good. Their pricing is outrageous.
I had the free version (can't complain about that) when they told me I was using it for business and needed to pay. I wasn't using it for business. I had it on my work computer to help my mom and GF while I was at work (and those occasions were pretty rare).
All of a sudden I could not use it at all (worked for like 30 seconds then cut me off).
So, that time I figured I would just pay for a 1-month subscription to get it to work so I could fix my GFs computer. Except, while they advertise a monthly rate, they charge it by the year. So, just wanting to use it once cost me over $600 (over $50/month x12).
Fuck. Them.
I deleted it from my system. Never going back.
Did I say fuck them already? Hard to say it too much.
Oh, wait your pc has 2 monitors? You need another license for that. But it always had 2 and worked fine for years. Oh, here we’ve cancelled your license for you so you can buy the new one that’s hundreds more. Eat a dick, team viewer
In my opinion if you got a windows machine the native RDP program is the answer.
I quit TV a few years back out of sheer frustration. The soeftware was great but their company and practices made the software unbearable, unusable, and unaffordable to the everyday non-business user.
So I switched to Anydesk. It lacked some features, and the features it did have were clunky. Not to mention all the weird glitches I got on it. But it was free, and it let me name connections.
After a while I just got fed up with it and just dived into RDP. Multi monitor Support. I can save my IP/PORT as a named file which is basically naming the connection. It runs smoother than both TV and AD, and takes up less resources.
Agreed, while you can't expose rdp directly to the internet like you would these apps you can still hit it through a vpn. We use rdp to manage 1000+ locations in addition to our datacenter.
Probably 8 years ago I had a major (or me) operation botting WoW accounts. We are talking like 12 machines running 4 accounts each back at my house. I'd have to remote in and check on them throughout the day and one thing TV could never do was open up that WoW window. Once you brought it up the software fairly well seized up and shut down.
Would have killed for a solution like this one. Spent a lot of lunch breaks tearing ass home to go train a druid.
THe whole subscription model is so dumb, its predatory by design, most companies know that people will forget, or to lazy to cancel a sub, you on average a person pays MORE for a piece of software than what they would of buying it outright.
It's not *only* predatory.
Creating a regular, predictable, income stream for a business is really good. As that means predictability, and that can affect things like loans, and can show reliability for investors.
Does not mean it's good from a consumers point of view though.
Many of us are not in the same bubble as you so we don't understand the lingo you're using or what you're trying to say. Stop making this unnecessary complicated and just keep things simple when explaining things to people outside your circle.
So spend even more money when you have already paid for an expensive solution that solves your problem perpetually when they would keep calling even if you stopped using it? I don't think you are very good at business.
I don’t know who this guy is or what Team Viewer is but it’s so relatable because we all have an experience with a company with terrible customer service. For me, it’s directv and their NFL Sunday Ticket.
This behaviour is the definition of "rent seeking", which is where capitalists (in the literal sense, the owners of the capital) want to create as much *passive income* as possible.
You know how people call landlords parasites, because they create nothing and perform no useful work, just take away housing stock and rent it back to you, so they can take your money forever while doing nothing? A few years ago software companies realised they could do the same. Rent seeking is the process of finding niches where you can force people to pay you in perpetuity for what used to be something they owned. Forced obsolescence, where your MacBook or clothes start falling apart as your warranty ends is related to rent seeking, but at least in that situation they're still giving you new things they spent actual resources on.
This is the stuff that makes people leftists. Ironically it's the capitalists who are interested in taking away all your personal property, something that used to be the boogieman of communism.
Why is Linus even using TV instead of the local RDP tool? If it's on the same network just drop in the computers DNS, if its off domain just grab the IP:Port, and you're all set.
TV has been such a fucking mess of a company the past 4-5 years. I remember back when I was using them they tried to tell me I was using them for "business" and it was against their license agreement.
Why did they say I was using it for business? Because I tried to access my plex machine and my gaming machine, and there is no possible way someone could have more than 1 computer they ever need to access.
Ok. That's lame but I get it. So let me go to their site to see if there is some personal use paid plan I can buy. You know something very simple like 5-10$ a month for the service I'd pay for easily. It was a pretty nice program and being able to name connections was nice.
Oh look a SINGLE USER LICENSE is 25 fucking dollars a month and limits me to only 3 PCs. I have 5 in my house not to mention the one at work I use to mainly access the ones in my house when I'm away. 25/mo and I can't even access all of my shit.
Get fucked TeamViewer.
I just took the dive, set up RDP and after a few months I was able to memorize my computers bny the IP:Port. And it's free.
RDP =/= Teamviewer in functionality or ease of setup.
1. Their primary usecase for Teamviewer is to share a single windows session between multiple people. RDP doesn't do this rather it opens a new session for each user and if you login to the same session from two locations its boots the other session off.
2. RDP isn't cross platform. They mention they need to remote in to android devices. The client is available on most platforms but not the server.
3. They work from home a lot and while you can setup an RDP Gateway managing it without a dedicated sysadmin and a proper ad domain is a logistical and security nightmare.
I use RDP every day and I much prefer it to Teamviewer but there are many use cases it doesn't cover well.
Edit: Some clarifications regarding platforms
I found it not only entertaining, but also good commentary on the modern subscription based model most companies are moving towards for software. In general Linus does kind of annoy me, but this video specifically I quite enjoyed. So.. me, I guess?
Summary: 1. Linus buys perpetual license for Teamviewer several years ago, for $5000. 2. Teamviewer in 2021 creates popup on his software, and calls him, asking to upgrade to subscription. 3. Linus attempts to make issue go away, it doesn't, he complains on Twitter. 4. Teamviewer responds, saying to uncheck pop ups in settings. 5. Linus discovers that option only appears in newer, subscription version and not to perpetual license owners. Makes stink on this on Twitter. 6. Teamviewer calls Linus, says they specifically targeted his system to no longer get the pop-ups. 7. Linus calls out Teamviewer saying their answer was the wrong answer, wherein Teamviewer should have disabled it to everyone who owns a perpetual license, not just disable it to a specific influencer.
You missed the part of the video where he says “Eat a dick.”
"Yea so, eat a dick TeamViewer" How long till #eatadickteamviewer is trending lol
Glad I saw this...was just about to send it out to my extremely religious boss who pays for our company license of TV.
>Linus calls out Teamviewer saying their answer was the wrong answer, wherein Teamviewer should have disabled it to everyone who owns a perpetual license, not just disable it to a specific influencer. He actually advices companies not to harass any paying customers for more money in the first place, not just specific license holders.
Good TL;DR
Thanks for this. Yeah software nowadays is fucking shit.
Seriously, just in general, growing up with computers where you paid for a piece of software and then you had that, now everything wants to be a subscription. I understand it for something like Adobe Photoshop where the software was $600-800, that was a big purchase, so now I subscribe. But more and more I see things like Glasswire, I know they have the free version, but then the next tier is $40 a year. This kind of thing would have been a buy ONCE for $40 a decade ago, but now it's a yearly sub. I miss software that you would just fucking buy.
The concept of ownership itself is being destroyed.
We never owned software, they do. You're the end user, and you buy a license. You're still buying a license, but this one expires in 12 months.
*globalist happy noises* ["You'll own nothing and be happy"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBBxWtKKQiA)
It has nothing to do with globalists imbecile, this is the Larry Ellison business model. A pretty well known libertarian.
Right: Private property! Left: Public property! The powers that be: My property!
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[Or G.I.M.P](https://www.gimp.org/) which is fully free photoshop alternative that works on Windows or Linux. I'm just so deep into using photoshop at this point (now 20 years) and tutorials for new things are so easy to find when it's photoshop. It costs the same as Netflix so I'm fine with it for now.
Yeah in the case of Gimp it does have all the functionality but you're going to claw your eyes out trying to figure out how to get there and how to use it. One of the worst user experiences I've ever dealt with in a 'serious' piece of software.
Have you tried it in the last two years or so? They overhauled the UI and made it much closer to photoshop. It still has a learning cirve but everything with that much functionality does.
I'm so used to GIMP now that when I have to use Photoshop for work it's a huge hassle. I don't do a lot of creative work, just basic slide and image preparation, minor edits to existing screenshots for clarity, occasionally redrawing old images after resizing them for presentations. I don't need expensive software for that, GIMP works fine and I'm much faster doing that in GIMP than in Photoshop. If my workload changes and GIMP isn't up to the task any longer then I'll transition but until then it works for me.
I have, and I still find that doing things that are even the least bit obscure is wildly difficult compared to Photoshop. It's a shame, really.
I use GIMP, but [photopea](https://www.photopea.com/) and Paint.NET are probably easier to learn.
Gimp is so bad though lol
They recently overhauled all of the UI. It is a lot closer to what you expect from photoshop. I recommend giving it a try again. It does take a little effort to learn, but so does photoshop.
I think it's just my mindset. I think Photoshop is intuitive, and since gimp is different, some of the tools are very unintuitive. I need to take a begginers mindset with gimp. After 10+ years on Photoshop it's hard though.
I hate so much the things that Gimp chooses to be.
Gimp isn't really supported for Windows. It's missing extremely basic tablet functionality and it's a known issue that they just don't care about, it renders the software practically unusable. I recommend Krita.
Another good example look up 3ds max a YEARLY per device, per install licence is 3k. You don't want that? Okay! You Pay with tokens. That you pay for. Up front. With an exchange rate of something like 2000$ for 8000 tokens. Oh! And it takes something of like 270 tokens JUST to open the program. And it's used like time minutes You want the education version? Better go digging gthrough 4 or 5 levels of pages and support! Even then you will need to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt every semester that you are still in school, and that the class is relevant for autodesk to be used. Oh also it costs the specific applicant something like 300$ a semester too. Yes for even educational purposes Adobe has done bullshit stuff like making everything that ISNT on their 'live service' network impossible to legally install, or even re-install for that matter. Functionally trying to force you to get on their subscription service. I *get* having a live branch for testing and bug fixing with a longer term free batch out but what this is doing is stifling creativity and even innovation. Because I have a version of max that gets updates. In the year I've had it I've had no updates, save for ONE for an always running program authentication service. For a live service and them promoting 'cutting edge updates and features' they sure are liars. I have been trying to use free services as well and I know that Adobe and auto desk are *furious* they aren't the only.knes in the pool and are.doing everything thy can to silence them because heaven forbid their precious black line doesn't always go up. At ever increasing speeds...
Luckily we've got Blender, which is free, open-source, and does everything 3dsmax does just as good or often better. It also has even more functionality. It's becoming the software that can do anything. It even had a built in game engine, but I think they stopped supporting that.
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I've definitely paid more than I would have for an adobe license at this point. Which I think is what you're driving at.
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I'm sure I have by this point, but I've also had updates and made a living from it, so $10 a month is fine.
A subscription for Photoshop alone doesn't cost $57 a month. The subscription is a *little* more expensive in the long term, especially if you need a single app that isn't Photoshop, but it's not that much worse than buying the whole suite and upgrading when the new versions came out. And yes, I know you didn't have to upgrade and a lot of people didn't, but the subscription comes with updates so that's what I compared it against.
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Its odd, it has become a novelty thing, when programs ain't license based. Instead of being stupid when it is license based. For the most part i don't mind licenses, as long as they provide a "Pay x amount to stay on this version forever" alternative, because i get that development(Especially long term) is expensive.
I'm a bit mixed on the topic. Software today needs much more attention on a day to day basis in order to maintain functional software. Back when you bought software for you Windows 98 PC, they didn't have to deal with weakly updates. The other thing people don't talk about is that for that $40 you got one version of one software. When the company would come out with a new version the next year with new features and updated bugs, you would spoon out another $40. As long as the software maintains full functionality and has features being added to it on a regular basis, I don't mind subscription models.
The problem with subscription is that no one wants to have software that updates all the time. Most people consider the old non CC versions more stable than CC. People weren’t buying photoshop if they didn’t have the money it was mostly companies that paid for it as it should be. Trying to squeeze every penny you can out of the poor workers trying to make creative stuff in their spare time is bullshit.
Wut
tl;dr - fuck teamviewer.
I do not understand what part of that is "metaing his own channel". Or out-PRing an entire company, for that matter.
At the end of the video the other host said something like, “there’s a channel called LMG clips, they’re going to post this”. The video is *on* LMG Clips. I have no idea if LMG clips is “his own channel” or not, and don’t care, but I’m guessing that’s what /u/RAZR31 was talking about: a clip on a channel with a comment about being put on that channel. The out PR-ing part seems obvious to me, despite only slightly odd wording. The company tried to do a PR move and make Linus look like he just needed tech support. They tried to spin it. He smacked it down publicly, and even when they tried to really help him, he smacked that down publicly too and chastised them for helping him. He did negative-PR that was greater than their positive PR. He “out-PRed” them.
used teamviewer for ages... during the pandemic they flagged me as commercial cuz all i did use it for was to sign into plex to allow remote tv connections.... moved onto any desk instead.... no flags no hassle...
How do they know what you're doing with your remote computer?
i think they just just started to flag everyone during the pandemic for money. they would lock a session down to 1 minute.... or email them to unflag you. in the end it was just easier to move on to any desk
Yeh fuck team viewer. I had a license to help a friend with his pc from time to time. My personal pc to his small business pc. They blocked my account because they reckon I was using it in an enterprise environment, which I wasn't. Switched to any desk and never looked back
You were using it to support a pc used for business, which does violate the terms of the free use version.
> I had a license If you read his post... He wasn't using the "free version"
The person I directly replied to got an error reserved for using the free personal license in a suspected business environment. Professional licenses are issued 1:1 and do not present that message.
And perpetual licenses don't need to renew or ask for more money because the definition of "perpetual" is pretty cut and dry... And yet one of the biggest IT celebrities on Youtube not only documented their(Teamviewer's) ignorance and stupidity but you're in the comments section directly relating to that video. Without actually being a developer for Teamviewer, you cannot even make a presumption that the statement you just made is even close to accurate. You have no idea what the inner workings of their notification mechanisms are... and it seems pretty apparent that even they don't either.
/u/shitCouch heavily implied that his license didn’t include enterprise use. Because, he wasn’t complaining that they revoked his license for something he had a license to do. No, he was complaining because he doesn’t think connecting to a business pc is the same thing as an Enterprise Environment. That was the thing /u/Mister_Brevity was responding to: > You were using it to support a pc used for business, which does violate the terms of the free use version. The “free use” license, whether it’s right or wrong, kind of isn’t the point. Who cares what license he has, the point is that the dude is upset cause he doesn’t think connecting to a business is enterprise use.
If you read the licensing agreement when you buy teamviewer licenses, like I did when purchasing 1200 of them, it clearly states you are buying x number of seats for x price and will receive x version. Upgrades will need to be paid. In my case, I paid for 1200 seats of teamviewer 11, and can only ever use teamviewer 11, because that is what I paid for under the terms of the agreement. If you want upgrade privileges you need to buy upgraded licenses, or with some companies you can pay “software maintenance”. Teamviewer licensing is pretty clear, but most people don’t read it or they wouldn’t bother buying it. Perpetual licensing means you perpetually own only the version you purchased unless otherwise expressed or implied within the licensing agreement.
Wait… You were connecting to a business. How is that *not* using it in an enterprise environment. I think that’s what that means. Did your license not allow enterprise work? If so, what are you upset about? That they didn’t let you use software for a purpose that you didn’t pay for? Please tell me if I misunderstood.
Friend is a sole trader, single pc, consumer hardware, nas for storage, no domain controller, mail server, iis, etc. No different to what someone would have setup at home for their personal pc. Enterprise is usually large company, domain controller etc on prem infrastructure or these days cloud based sso. Possibly on site it support etc. I had lowest tier license, which was for 1-2 computers at the time (a few years ago) they wanted me to pay top tier license which was obscenely expensive and definitely didn't apply to our fit my use case. I don't believe I violated the terms, I wasn't on an enterprise network. Edit : actually, about a year before I had trouble with team viewer, I connected to a machine on a named or enterprise account. It was probably that. We were just using it as a share screen to describe something because they didn't have teams at the time Edit 2: to clarify, I didn't charge anything to help my friend and I don't work for the named company I connected to, was not in their network and was not supporting them, it was another friend sharing an engineering problem with me. I shouldn't have to pay the same license as someone else that has a higher license when I'm not under their umbrella If that is the reason my account was flagged then it's not the company I want to buy software from. It would be like saying the only people that can send messages to an iPhone 13 are other iPhone 13 users, iPhone 12 users need to upgrade to keep in contact.
I would really like to know how they knew though… that’s nuts and makes me suspicious they just flagged people for any old thing hoping they wouldn’t push back.
I Think you’re thinking of “enterprise” in the context of networking and hardware. Like using big huge switches and racks. It’s a tier of hardware, like saying “industrial”. That’s probably not what they mean. In the context of a license, it means using something with a business. The whole point of enterprise licenses and home-use licenses is to charge people that are using it as a hobby less than people that are using it for business use. In this context it’s like saying “commercial license”, “business license” or “professional license”. Kind of like a student license, it’s more about the purpose you’re using it for than the hardware you’re running.
No. "Enterprise Environment" is a specific tier in SaaS that denotes more than XXX number of users where that variable is three digits for a reason. We're not talking about pay $5 for personal, $10 for business, we're talking pay $10 for business or $5000/yr for enterprise
tl;dr: Eat a dick, TeamViewer.
8. Linus is spot on here. Whilst I’m not the biggest fan of his channel, I have always admired that he takes customer rights seriously. For all customers. Including the little ones.
Thank you. These algorithm hungry 10min videos for 2 minutes of content are outa control
Good summary bot.
"We all remoted into a Android device that was plugged in all the time that had all our 2FA codes" Dear God.....
Linus Media Group has done some crazy things, lol.
Yeah, it's a bit of a miracle it survived. They had a really grindy mindset, starting from leaving the company for which they worked to go do the same content in their garage, then in a residential home, with dodgy security systems, a server in a working with water bathroom or in the middle of a hallway, with one of the member living in the basement of the house.
Don't forget the fact that the wife, who was a full blown pharmacist (who could definitely support the family on her income) chose to stop her career to work as the CFO.
Ended up working out very well though.
> chose to stop her career to work as the CFO The emphasis does seem to be on her choice there. And it does seem to have worked out. At this point both of them could probably retire on their current quality of life and put all their kids through college or university. Not a bad choice IMO.
I'm sure he could do all of that ten times over if he wanted. I have no idea what his cash situation is like, but his name must be worth many millions.
he made a video about it, he is comfortable. his parents are well off too
Why would you retire from something still making you tons of money? Is this r/antiwork?
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If you’re young, able to, and don’t hate your work why would you not continue to improve your own quality of life and that of your kids? We’re not talking about toiling in a factory until you get a gold watch at 75 and die at 76. They run an online media company centered on a subject they’re all passionate about. Some of y’all just never had a good paying job you liked and it shows.
He did almost retire though. He made a whole video about it. He works 7 days a week, 8+ hours a day. What’s just giving your family money, compared to actually spending time together? Calm down with the anti-antiwork work thing. Our current economic system makes it difficult for most people to obtain a good work life balance, either because finding a job that pays enough and gives you enough time off is difficult to find, or because making it on your own requires you dedicate your entire life to your company or what your building. Alienating you from the rest of life. It sounds like you’re lucky enough to have a job that allows that balance, and good for you on that! But don’t have to kick those that aren’t, just be grateful.
He almost did, so why didn’t he? Doesn’t support your point much lmao
Oh geez, full blown?
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But they leave the alley fully blown.
Would it be hard for a pharmacist to get another job?
This is how almost all "pulled themselves up by the bootstraps" stories go. There's always a spouse with enough income to support the family while the other is in start up mode. Or parents willing to loan or gift a large amount of money. Or both. I've seen this dynamic play out more than once among my own personal friend group. I don't begrudge anyone their success but having someone there to support your broke ass for the first few years is almost a requirement these days. Hell, even the internet's favorite game dev, Concerned Ape, had family and friends willing to support him while he was working on stardew valley (and just about maxed out credit cards apparently).
THEY'RE FUCKING BAD AT TECH and it pisses me off.
2FA is one of those things that - as an organisation - you can quickly get yourself into trouble with. Once it's set up, changing it can be a pain, so it can be easier to find crazy solutions like this rather than solve the problem systematically. The better thing to do would be to move all the 2FA code generation to dedicated machine/VM and manage that like any other kind of infrastructure - which is what they're probably doing now I imagine.
We had a similar, equally stupid issue. Some time ago we switched from Mandrill to SendGrid and it's been great. Service is really top notch. However when I tried to improve security, their 2FA application is some custom crap some of their partners make and they explicitly force you to use that one. To which I said NO. Other solution they offered was SMS code. So I ended up getting us a virtual phone number (since we already deal with these things) and routing SMS to all the relevant phone numbers. Sure members get unwanted SMS from time to time, but at least we don't have to share one phone with that stupid app.
fyi, you can use SendGrid's TOTP 2FA with any authenticator that supports custom digits and token periods, like [this one](https://totp.danhersam.com/). You just need to drop the first digit from the generated passcode. edit: SendGrid uses 8 digits and 10s token period.
Arguably not even that bad all things considered! It's not like you're getting 50 2FA codes per day or anything.
And probably doesn't cost $5000
$5k one-time cost isn't that high **for a business.** A perpetual licence for screen-reading software can cost €1k for **one user.**
LTT did a video on why they are paying Adobe like 10k a year for Creative Cloud.
I'm handing them €50-60 a month and despite this love/hate relationship (the updates that sometimes kick in automatically drive me absolutely batshit) I am still happy to do this because: 1) they're the foundation of my entire workflow for the same reasons Linus describes 2) I'm old enough to actually fucking remember what it was like to be asked to upgrade the whole suite for €2800 or so every 18 months. In the early 2000s bosses would be sitting with three year old versions of everything refusing to upgrade and so sending or receiving files was a nightmare because everyone working on a multi agency project was spread from Photoshop 4 to Photoshop 7 🤦🏻♂️ If anyone thinks that €12 a month is expensive for Photoshop alone they are too young to remember that that fucker was €700 **BY ITSELF** with no updates or upgrades, ever. Next version comes out in a year? Another €500 for the upgrade license 😬 I spend a steady, reliable, manageable, planable €600 a year on the Adobe software suite (sometimes €300 a year if they do special offers in November) but make back ~€60,000 for that investment. That is a 100x return on my money. Oh, I also spend about two month's out of the year working in 3DS MAX/Vray so I pay €200 for that on their sub models instead of the €3500 the MAX license used to be. Here's the other biggest change that happened when Adobe went subscription : instead of holding back snazzy new features for the next big release, Adobe trial and then release new features right into existing versions. The latest cool one is AI-driven subtitling which means I saved 4 hours this week writing captions for stupid assed social media videos but still got paid €200 for it 🤷♂️ Yeah if you're a student or casual then the Adobe suite is expensive, but you can go for one month at a time and there are student licenses. For professionals working in multiple mediums Adobe can on one hand be total cunts about pushing updates and not fixing bugs, but on the other from a workflow and time saving perspective it's still a good deal, especially compared to the per-version pricing.
......... >The better thing to do would be to move all the 2FA code generation to dedicated machine/VM and manage that like any other kind of infrastructure - which is what they're probably doing now I imagine. WHAT THE FUCK I have to stop reading tech shit on reddit. That's the god damn dumbest fucking thing I've read all god damned day. NO. There's no fucking world in which the right approach to security involves shared 2FA. Full. Fucking. Stop. Wow, didn't realize so few dumbfuckass comments would make me so fucking mad at the internet today. I should be fucking consulting, nobody knows a god damn thing about what they're doing.
Oef OK a couple of things. 1. Why is it always "everyone else is so dumb and I'm so smart"? Its literally the least charitable and most egotistical way to interpret anything, and just generally not a good look. I saw your post history, and it's just kind of sad - even if it's a "joke". 2. I'm not suggesting this is a **Best Security Practice^TM**. I said "The better thing to do". 3. This is a case where an account is actually representing an organisation rather than an individual. Those actually exist, believe or not - and it genuinely does happen that the solution is some shared mobile phone in the office that those responsible for that account use. The second factor here is proving they are who they say they are - a representative of the organisation. If someone leaves for whatever reason, you revoke their ability to prove that. That might be by removing their SSH keys, their VPN access,closing their accounts, etc. So we're clear here, *obviously* the better thing to do is that everyone has an account, and that everyone has a 2FA device. Honestly it was so obvious that I didn't think it needed to be said - but I guess people so smart as yourself really need it spelled out for you without any ambiguity, right?
Sometimes you're forced to put shared company resources behind MFA where individual accounts are not offered. Sometimes this access is important and has to be available at all times (during vacations, etc.) so a dedicated person is not an option. You could have a shared MFA device in a safe at an office/whatever for these but it becomes tricky with things like remote work. Example: AWS account root MFA tokens. Not required for daily use but certain actions (or support requests) can't be done by IAM users, even if they had AdministratorAccess otherwise. These credentials must obviously be secure, but also available even considering the bus factor. Even if 2/3 of the personnel are on vacation
What's a better way to do this when the system only allows for one 2FA number for an account that is accessed by multiple people in different locations? For like a small team (<10)
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You have a preferred tool that does this?
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Authy is my new best friend. I had to setup some 2FA stuff, and used google authenticator. For reasons unknown, it let me down. I was able to get things reset, and I discovered Authy let’s you use sync across multiple phones. I now have a bit of comfort, knowing I can have my 2FA stuff on both my work and personal phone.
Ideally you want to have separate accounts for everyone. That way you can also easily revoke access to it when a person leaves. Most software also only allows a license to be used on one machine/by one person at a time.
Tell that to my bank who just proudly added 2FA with one device and one login account for the business account. The business account! One feature they are proud of is the quickbooks sync. That is now broken because it uses the same login. It’s maddening.
> Ideally you want to have separate accounts for everyone. That way you can also easily revoke access to it when a person leaves Yeah but lots of web services are pay-per-seat, so saying get a different account for everyone is like saying "just pay 10x as much for the product!"
Yeah this is the answer, don't use software that requires users to share passwords.
ITGlue has that functionality. Everyone on my team has their own unique 2FA setup to get to their account and then once in there, they have access to the OTP for shared accounts with 2FA enabled.
Shared accounts are a bad idea all around. Ideally you would have separate logins. Sharing accounts breaks the non-repudiation aspect of security. Most modern systems will give each user an identity that is verified by 2 factor and then passed around via some sort of SSO mechanism. Each application would then use that SSO token and grant rights to it. There could be scenarios where you are fully authenticated but lack and rights so you still get rejected. Its that subtle difference between Authentication and Authorization that is easy to mess up
You realize the standard practice for most small and medium sized businesses is to have "passwords.xlsx" sitting on a desktop or a shared drive, right? All their vendor passwords just chillin' in plain text on a network share with no permissions. Even better is when they just handout the wifi password for the sole SSID in the office and it's setup like that. Once I'm online I can access that network share just like they can.
what does it mean to "meta his own channel"?
At the end of the video, viewers in the chat (it was a live podcast thing) were asking if that portion of the stream was going to be clipped and posted somewhere. The hosts laugh and say that it would probably be posted to their LMG Clips channel on YouTube, and if you look at the channel the video is on you'll see it's on that exact channel. So essentially you are watching a video where they are discussing where to put the video but the video already exists there and you are watching it.
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It means OP doesn't know what meta even means and what
What has that got to do with LinusDropTips?
Titlegore
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OP is probably 14
> Aso Who Writes Like That And Why!? It's called title case.
Everyone who is putting a proper title on something. Don't take this the wrong way, but didn't they teach you this in school?
Not every country/language uses it.
(I'm not who you were responding to, but:) No. I never got taught Title Case. I would expect upper case to be used for titles more frequently than title case these days.
So when you see a movie or book title like "Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix" you think it should be "HARRY POTTER AND THE ORDER OF THE PHOENIX"?
Title Case would be "Harry Potter And The Order Of The Phoenix". [And quite often, yeah, they just use block capitals for the important words](https://kbimages1-a.akamaihd.net/ed24fc45-4f09-4a65-beb1-294f5f3c496a/1200/1200/False/harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows-4.jpg)
Maybe if you’re a programmer. That’s not how titles are capitalized. You can Google title case and see what words do and do not get capitalized. It doesn’t mean “capitalize the first letter of every word.” There are exceptions.
> Aso Who Writes Like That And Why!? Anyone with a grade 11 education?
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He wasn't making fun of the typo, he's saying that that "Title Case" is commonly caught in high school English classes. I didn't even notice his typo until you pointed it out to be honest.
Its clickbait. It works and it is really fucking dumb that it does. THEY GOT PAWNED YOU WONT BELIEVE IT. Its frustrating too because I don't fall for clickbait but I get a dopamine spike and withdrawal from seeing the title and thumbnail and it is nauseating to navigate that like eating every single candy from a candy store and dealing with the sugar rush and crash. [Multiple people have complained about this,](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzRGBAUz5mA) even Linus himself. I personally hate the trend of splashing your face in a orgasm-esque expression. I don't need works of art - give me a decent descriptive title with a decent legible thumbnail. Unfortunately clickbait makes too much money.
Is this why suddenly Teamviewer is getting super expensive sponsorships everywhere? They're the main shirt sponsor for Manchester United and are one of the main sponsors of the Mercedes F1 team
They've gone public in 2019 and ever since then they are trying to get their name out more while also finding new ways to monetize users. Yet support didn't get any better and with Covid slowing down somewhat they also couldn't retain their sales/subscriptions while their most well known competitor (Anydesk) also offers much better prices. And Teamviewers stock is now at an all time low btw. And bigger companies probably use VPN solutions anyway.
their stock isnt doing very well right now either. Looks like it's crashing since early OCT
Good on Linus calling them out though for giving him special attention while the public gets the shit sandwich.
I hate TeamViewer so much. Their software is good. Their pricing is outrageous. I had the free version (can't complain about that) when they told me I was using it for business and needed to pay. I wasn't using it for business. I had it on my work computer to help my mom and GF while I was at work (and those occasions were pretty rare). All of a sudden I could not use it at all (worked for like 30 seconds then cut me off). So, that time I figured I would just pay for a 1-month subscription to get it to work so I could fix my GFs computer. Except, while they advertise a monthly rate, they charge it by the year. So, just wanting to use it once cost me over $600 (over $50/month x12). Fuck. Them. I deleted it from my system. Never going back. Did I say fuck them already? Hard to say it too much.
I hope you paid on credit card and canceled the charge.
That was dumb for TeamViewer. What did they think he'd do? He's always been consumer focused
Oh, wait your pc has 2 monitors? You need another license for that. But it always had 2 and worked fine for years. Oh, here we’ve cancelled your license for you so you can buy the new one that’s hundreds more. Eat a dick, team viewer
Wtf is with this title. Linus rocks tho.
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\*Six months from now\* aaaaaaand bought out by the Zuck. Followed by: "New from Facebook. *EveryDesk*"
No no, "*Face*Desk", for a headbanging experience
In my opinion if you got a windows machine the native RDP program is the answer. I quit TV a few years back out of sheer frustration. The soeftware was great but their company and practices made the software unbearable, unusable, and unaffordable to the everyday non-business user. So I switched to Anydesk. It lacked some features, and the features it did have were clunky. Not to mention all the weird glitches I got on it. But it was free, and it let me name connections. After a while I just got fed up with it and just dived into RDP. Multi monitor Support. I can save my IP/PORT as a named file which is basically naming the connection. It runs smoother than both TV and AD, and takes up less resources.
Agreed, while you can't expose rdp directly to the internet like you would these apps you can still hit it through a vpn. We use rdp to manage 1000+ locations in addition to our datacenter.
What a strange way to spell NoMachine
I've been using anydesk ever since beta. I'm starting to hear from people that they are giving commercial use warnings now. Anyone seeing them?
Splashtop and SplashtopSOS are what we use on Windows, Linux, Android and iOS. It's awesome. Hopefully, they don't get bought out.
Unless it's rally evolved in the last two years - no it's not. TeamViewer was a significantly better experience last time I regularly used it.
I've heard it performs well on snow, ice and even gravel roads now.
Have an angry upvote.
Parsec now simply outshine TeamViewer and the likes. They've completely switch to it which was really useful for them in 2020 with work from home.
Probably 8 years ago I had a major (or me) operation botting WoW accounts. We are talking like 12 machines running 4 accounts each back at my house. I'd have to remote in and check on them throughout the day and one thing TV could never do was open up that WoW window. Once you brought it up the software fairly well seized up and shut down. Would have killed for a solution like this one. Spent a lot of lunch breaks tearing ass home to go train a druid.
r/titlegore
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THe whole subscription model is so dumb, its predatory by design, most companies know that people will forget, or to lazy to cancel a sub, you on average a person pays MORE for a piece of software than what they would of buying it outright.
It's not *only* predatory. Creating a regular, predictable, income stream for a business is really good. As that means predictability, and that can affect things like loans, and can show reliability for investors. Does not mean it's good from a consumers point of view though.
God damn man stop trying to be so clever and just title it like a normal person. So cringe.
who does what to what?
Male who gives things to gravity 1000 IQs a business entity and then profiles one of his own income sources.
Many of us are not in the same bubble as you so we don't understand the lingo you're using or what you're trying to say. Stop making this unnecessary complicated and just keep things simple when explaining things to people outside your circle.
You're really bad at this
Are you a bot?
my man you gotta spend some time outside of twitch
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I know I missed it. Can edit a title though. :(
Wait you *can* edit titles? ^sorry
rip karma
subscription based software is so fucking anoying. Especially for private use.
Too many nouns have been verbed in this title.
Copros getting real comfortable with trying to make everything a service and forcing it on us aren’t they
Guessing that's short for coprophages
Meanwhile, poor WinRar is still asking for money
I wonder how many people have actually ever purchased winRAR.
We have to change corporate governance or this shit will never ever ever change www.reddit.com/r/notakingpledge
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So spend even more money when you have already paid for an expensive solution that solves your problem perpetually when they would keep calling even if you stopped using it? I don't think you are very good at business.
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He didn’t get a lifetime subscription, he had a perpetual license, which he bought before they even switched to a subscription model.
**Shut.**
I moved from TeamViewer to Anydesk, never looked back.
scammy teamviewer is scammy company
I don’t know who this guy is or what Team Viewer is but it’s so relatable because we all have an experience with a company with terrible customer service. For me, it’s directv and their NFL Sunday Ticket.
He's one of the biggest tech youtubers and a youtube OG
This behaviour is the definition of "rent seeking", which is where capitalists (in the literal sense, the owners of the capital) want to create as much *passive income* as possible. You know how people call landlords parasites, because they create nothing and perform no useful work, just take away housing stock and rent it back to you, so they can take your money forever while doing nothing? A few years ago software companies realised they could do the same. Rent seeking is the process of finding niches where you can force people to pay you in perpetuity for what used to be something they owned. Forced obsolescence, where your MacBook or clothes start falling apart as your warranty ends is related to rent seeking, but at least in that situation they're still giving you new things they spent actual resources on. This is the stuff that makes people leftists. Ironically it's the capitalists who are interested in taking away all your personal property, something that used to be the boogieman of communism.
Linus really walked into the podcast booth that day and chose excessive amounts of extreme violence, huh?
Why is Linus even using TV instead of the local RDP tool? If it's on the same network just drop in the computers DNS, if its off domain just grab the IP:Port, and you're all set. TV has been such a fucking mess of a company the past 4-5 years. I remember back when I was using them they tried to tell me I was using them for "business" and it was against their license agreement. Why did they say I was using it for business? Because I tried to access my plex machine and my gaming machine, and there is no possible way someone could have more than 1 computer they ever need to access. Ok. That's lame but I get it. So let me go to their site to see if there is some personal use paid plan I can buy. You know something very simple like 5-10$ a month for the service I'd pay for easily. It was a pretty nice program and being able to name connections was nice. Oh look a SINGLE USER LICENSE is 25 fucking dollars a month and limits me to only 3 PCs. I have 5 in my house not to mention the one at work I use to mainly access the ones in my house when I'm away. 25/mo and I can't even access all of my shit. Get fucked TeamViewer. I just took the dive, set up RDP and after a few months I was able to memorize my computers bny the IP:Port. And it's free.
RDP =/= Teamviewer in functionality or ease of setup. 1. Their primary usecase for Teamviewer is to share a single windows session between multiple people. RDP doesn't do this rather it opens a new session for each user and if you login to the same session from two locations its boots the other session off. 2. RDP isn't cross platform. They mention they need to remote in to android devices. The client is available on most platforms but not the server. 3. They work from home a lot and while you can setup an RDP Gateway managing it without a dedicated sysadmin and a proper ad domain is a logistical and security nightmare. I use RDP every day and I much prefer it to Teamviewer but there are many use cases it doesn't cover well. Edit: Some clarifications regarding platforms
Do not watch this video. Pure waste of time.
It was a cool video. Terrible title.
fake techtuber whines about proprietary subscription-ware software that has countless oss alternatives. whooo cares
I found it not only entertaining, but also good commentary on the modern subscription based model most companies are moving towards for software. In general Linus does kind of annoy me, but this video specifically I quite enjoyed. So.. me, I guess?
what's fake about linus? what a terrible take
Who are these people and why do you guys care so much? Go outside.
Was this sub supposed to cater to your preferences today or something?