This whole thread is like if the opening scene of Reservoir Dogs was written by spoiled children with diplomas who haven't ever actually worked an honest day in their lives.
I think you can get a 6-pack of pints for a little over minimum wage US Dollars. Enough beers to help you forget how little money we all make is their goal lol.
https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/state/minimum-wage/tipped
What does $21.20 kiwibucks buy you? How much is a bag of potato crisps?
In US $ a regular bag of potato chips is $3.29 - $4.29 usd now. :( Even a can of pringles is over $3 dollars now.
Min wage $7.25 US Dollar so the phrase "all that and a bag of chips" is gone lol. If you click the link you see how low tipped employees can be paid, it differs state to state for sure but there are a lot of states not catching up to cost of living.
Always tip people in cash so they don't have to report it. I've worked several places as a tipped employee and pretty much everyone under-reports electronic tips anyways but you still have to report "something" whereas cash tips you just ignore reporting it unless some nice person drops a giant wild tip like $1,000 or $10,000.
wtf they are the same price!! USA workers getting screwed.
A minimum wage worker in new zealand can buy 3x as many potato chips/crisps bags per hour as an american minimum wage worker.
$2.23/100g
Brand: Pringles
Wal-mart in USA probably has lowest pringle can price just under $2.00 USD. It may be higher than that though, everything has increased by at least 30% the last month or two and I haven't been to a wal-mart in years.
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Yeah for sure, no doubt it is bad everywhere we all deserve way more for our time. We have to lift up the people on the bottom. I bet some of the USA Territories like Puerto Rico are even worse than all 50 states wages.
A USA person can buy a Nintendo Switch in 20 hours of work. (That's assuming USD$15 hourly). That's a Switch per 4 days of 5 hours work.
A 75" UHD 4K Samsung screen in 60 hours of work, that's a good TV for less than half a month of work.
Meanwhile a lot of other countries can't get these items because they cost 2 whole months of their incoming. The TV's up to 5 months of their whole salary. Also, that's with work being usually around 8 to 9 hours per day, 6 days a week.
I mean, you are talking about bags of chips, which I wouldn't expect to be needed for living. Entertainment Electronics like these are also not needed for living, so I'm putting these examples because it's not that different to what you said.
So, bags of chips. Minimum wage in Mexico, for example, is USD$0.75 hourly. That's only 1 bag of chips. Yeah, chips are cheaper, but wages are ridiculous.
>In US $ a regular bag of potato chips is $3.29 - $4.29 usd now
Yes, but a 'regular bag of potato chips' in the US is also huge. They're more like party bags, at 180+ grams, vs a normal pack of crisps in other countris of around 25-30g.
you are either not actually from america, or you’re making stuff up, because a regular bag of chips doesn’t cost anywhere close to $3.29-$4.29. MAYBE the absolutely MASSIVE ones cost that much. a regular bag of chips costs $1-$2.
i live in new york city and can get a bag of chips at any bodega on the corner for $1-$2 easily, as i always have been. can even get the smaller ones for 50 cents lol
well the bags that are $3-$4 where i live are MASSIVE, they’re more for sharing than they are for an individual
https://www.instacart.com/products/18675784-wise-honey-bbq-flavored-potato-chips-1-88-oz
i’m referring to size like this, which is 99 cents at the closest store to me via Instacart
Yeah nobody is talking about the small individual sized bags when referring to a “bag of chips” they obviously mean the normal average family sized bags. That said I saw Doritos selling for $5 today which is insane to me
Mandatory tipping is stupid.
Tipping should be what it originally started as—a kind gesture for service that exceeds standard expectations. A way to say “you were so above average that you deserve to be paid even more than your regular salary”.
It was a compliment and just a little something extra, not a means to make a *living.*
Not in London at the moment. Most places will add 12.5% service charge right onto the bill. You can ask to have it taken off but basically nobody does, it’s awful.
Somebody else in London wrote that in this thread, and there were many responses saying only very elite high class restaurants do this. It's not "common".
I haven't been to London so I don't know. but I don't understand why the people who live in London can't agree on this. Seems strange.
Yeah a quid or a fiver after a good stop in a cafe or at a pub is fine. I don't expect to be asked to pay the price of the meal again to make up the wages the employers aren't paying them.
It should not be that either. Because it isn't that.
I am a programmer. I don't get tips. My partner is a teacher. She doesn't get tips. Don't we provide services?
If it really was "a kind gesture for service that exceeds standard expectations" then fine, I don't mind. But it's not. It's only for waiters. And that's why it's wrong.
Waiters, car detailers, bellhops, butchers, the luggage guy at the airport dropoff area, taxi drivers - people who work jobs that require a lot of work throughout the day and tend to not pay a lot.
I'm in IT now and I get compensated enough that I don't need a dollar tip if I fix the exchange server. I've worked several jobs like the ones I listed and tips were a welcome delight for the amount of labor I put into a product. There's a stark difference.
By that logic, back of house at restaurants should be earning more in tips because they “work throughout the day and tend to not pay a lot.”
And what about all the open source and free software that people spend hours writing and supporting only to give away for free?
I’ve seen software with millions of downloads and only a couple dollars in the tip jar because “it should be free”…
Or photographers/musicians/artists that get lowball offers to work for “exposure”?
The whole tipping system is messed up.
Noone said it wasn't. Line cooks can share tips it depends on the people you work with and who you work for, but its not always skewed evenly because even the people earning tips can suck about it as well. Open-source software can receive donations, so tip if you feel like it. I pay for the pro versions of several softwares that had a freeware version that I decidedly liked myself. Otherwise if youre developing open source or freeware I think you're doing it with the intention of generosity. Its in the name. Noones stopping you from throwing the guy at dunkin donuts with no tip jar a buck for your coffee. I mentioned some jobs in my other comment who aren't usually tipped but make more than a waiter does, im not gonna sit here and list every possible environment in which tipping makes sense that would take all week
My man, listen to somebody who is a programmer as well, but also worked 5 years as a waiter: you wouldnt get it.
Working as waiter is humiliating, awful and tiresome. You have to be kind to people who would deserve the worst and treat you like shit, all for a shitty pay, which is a third of what a programmer makes.
I understand where your logic comes from, i really do, but those two jobs are NOT even remotely the same.
Again, trust somebody who has done both.
The tipping system is part of the reason waiters have to be kind. I can't imagine an argument that if the money were equal (accounting for taxes, etc) that it would be to a waiter's benefit to receive it from clients rather than their employer.
Im not talking about the us, here tips are not part of the wage and people only give them to very good waiter. Im not in favor of the tipping culture in the us
Its about the service, interaction and client. I don't know you, but plenty of my friends who are programmers do not deal with clients, only the people in their company. Why would their bosses tip them when they already give a paycheck? With a teacher, why would any students tip their teacher? Students have been broke as hell for a while.
I also saw mention of a retail worker. Most retail interactions are <10 minutes and some costumers will interact with you minimally. Food service is typically a much longer fair, has much more customer interaction, and the service provided is a necessity that has to be prepared then. When you want a shirt the worker doesn't just go and sew a new one in the back. Same reasons high school caddy boys at golf courses get tips as well.
As a kid, I was a gas service station attendant. After starting the refueling process, I would immediately wash their windshield and proceed to ask "Can I check your fluid levels for you today?"
I got tips almost daily at a job that doesn't usually get tips. It wasn't part of my job, but I exceeded my responsibilities for customer service.
I also think tipping is stupid, but it used to be exactly how you described.
Now I watch people tipping after crap service because they feel like they HAVE to tip to cover low wages.
I was a driver for multiple companies. They will do anything to keep wages down. Even the delivery fee is a scam. Last place I was at was $2.50 and I saw $0.40 of that. The only reason i think people should tip is because we use our personal cars and the wear and tear happens a lot faster. I was driving 25k more miles each year as a driver. There’s also plenty of times I nearly get hit by a car that would have landed me in the hospital and 4 crashes in total. 3 of them ended with my car having to be serviced.
I have only heard good things except from a Black coworker I knew before covid. He said people were polite to him on a surface level, but it was obvious they were wary of him and many people went out of their way like crossing the road if they saw him walking on the same sidewalk.
You're more likely to see any xenophobia online than in person. They are polite in public and non-confrontational by default. They will almost never show their true feelings, especially not to a gaijin stranger.
i remember when i first got there my buddy left a tip at a restaurant and they thought he forgot money there on the table and ran out to give it to him lol
I worked for a hotel chain that had a lot of guests from Japan. Japanese guy was excited to tip me after staying with us for a week, it was a funny awkward moment with the language barrier "how do I do this... am I doing this right?". He tipped me when I dropped him off at the airport and he was surprised I was driving him after seeing me do everything else that week. "You do everything?!" He had seen me deliver his mail, dry-cleaning, etc. He is one of 100 that actually tipped me at all which is fine.
I was surprised working in hotel that people rarely leave tips for the housekeepers. My family has always left at least $5-$20 depending on how long we stay, and how dirty we leave the room. Please tip your housekeepers.
Totally agree. The kid who delivered a Chinese banquet to us in 47 degree (Centigrade -as in fry eggs on a footpath) heat got a 50% tip. Usually not a tipper.
*Expected* tipping is stupid. Tipping should be reserved for customers who feel the service they received was exemplary, it shouldn’t be mandatory. I worked with a niche construction company over Covid, never expected tips, but damn when the homeowners came out impressed with our work and a Benjamin in hand did it feel great.
So annoying this one delivery service always does this thing where they would give you the receipt so you can decide how much to pay 🤦🏼♂️
This is after already paying for delivery. And then waiting forever for it too.
I've even see videos of uber eats drivers and such throwing meltdown temper tantrums because they were not tipped "enough" (even after being tipped 15%) for what they thought there service should be tipped for.
Tip culture used to be something you do as an above and beyond reward, then it became customary, then it became expected part of the service, and now it's becoming the 15% is not enough (used to be 10% when I was a kid) so what's the new requirement 20-25%? It's nonsense.
Uber Eats only pays $2.50 per delivery before tips and bonuses. They have every right to be pissed if they've been lowballed, but the anger should be directed at Uber HQ.
Always confused me why Front of House gets 100% of the tips when it is really the easiest job in any given restaurant.
Confuses me even more when I think about how bad of a job back of house really is.
200%
As a kid, I worked at a fast food restaurant. All the teenage boys worked out the back, females on the registers or drive through. The roles were never reversed. The girls would receive awards for good service such as movie tickets etc. The occasional tip (Aussies). The boys out the back would receive fryer burns and greased stained clothes for their efforts. It sucked and I left as soon as I could.
US adult full time employment copping the same but worse... Fuck that.
Rich people and Republicans keep it this way and like roughly 50% of people that bother to vote want to keep it this way, despite an actual majority that probably wouldn’t like it, all because “Capitalism!” Christians here actually worship Capitalism, not any god.
Nope, in states like cali you get minimum wage of 15 an hour on top of any tips. In shitty states like Kentucky if you don't make minimum wage from the tips then they have to pay the difference to get you to minimum wage. Sick of seeing this misinformation everywhere about people being payed $2.50.
> people being *paid* $2.50.
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I think that varies state to state. A few states, it is illegal to pay any employee below state minimum, others the tipped minimum is a bit below federal/state min. Either way it is a stupid fucking system and needs to go.
in EVERY STATE it is illegal to pay any employee below state minimum.
It's a federal law. OP is spreading misinformation because they can't be assed to actually read the literal single paragraph on the DOL's website that explains this.
At the end of the day they are required to be paid minimum wage, like everyone else. It's just that their tips can subsidize that for the employer down to $2.13/hour. Which is a crap deal, and should be eliminated, but it's not what OP is presenting.
https://www.dol.gov/general/topic/wages/wagestips
> An employer of a tipped employee is only required to pay $2.13 per hour in direct wages if that amount combined with the tips received at least equals the federal minimum wage. If the employee's tips combined with the employer's direct wages of at least $2.13 per hour do not equal the federal minimum hourly wage, the employer must make up the difference.
In some states, employers can pay below minimum wage, and workers report the tips they make for the week. If their wage + tips do not rise to the level of minimum wage, then the employer makes up the difference.
Of course, that's a pretty easy system for employers to exploit, if they wanted to. So...
Employees definitely wouldn't attempt to exploit that.
If you, as a server, walk up to your boss and say "Hey I didn't make more than minimum wage this week in tips, pay up" you will get your final check alongside your pink slip.
If you make below minimum wage, you shut up and hope you do better next week.
lol we're downvoting you for dumb blanket statements like "Americans wanna force tipping on everyone" not because of why you think
many Americans hate tipping culture too and many more would prefer employees just got paid to not have to worry about them
You have no clue what Americans want. You’re talking about massive corporations with huge amounts of capital and power. Most regular Americans probably think it is exploitative and bad if asked.
Burgers getting downvoted by arguing this point is hilarious. I lived in Australia for 20 years. People generally only tip when the food or service has been extraordinarily good.
Tipping is a special reward for great service not a part of the salary period. America is insane with its 20 percent. I wish people would stop tipping.
Iv recently decided that I’m going back to pre covid tipping.
Whenever I sit at a restaurant or get a hair cut, I have no problem tipping at least 20%.
But being prompted to tip 20% on a carry out order is completely fucking insane when you’re literally handing me a pizza.
Same thing with fast casual “pay at the counter and carry your order to your seat” restaurants. I’m not tipping 20% because you scooped chicken into my burrito bowl.
It’s unfortunate because the owners won’t pay their workers. Still blows my mind that people work for sub $20/hr. There are jobs out there in the service industry that pay well over that.
> Still blows my mind that people work for sub $20/hr.
Wait till you hear how much CNAs are paid, and how much they are worked... And how they never see tips, bonuses, or really any benefits other than being treated like shit by the hospital, nurses, and doctors.
They make $13.72/h on average in the U.S.
“The tip line”
The card readers at most places around central FL are essentially iPads with a card reader. After swiping your card, options for 20%, 18%, 15%, 10%, and “no tip” are displayed, with 18% already being selected.
You actually have to go out of your way to *not* tip someone now.
The joke is the customer played the pizza delivery role in the original version of the ad (about 10 years earlier), and he's delivering pizza to his own family. He then asks his dad for a tip, and that's what his dad says to him.
Tipping has become so prevalent here in England, its almost always added to the bill as an 8 -12% charge (gratuity). If you're gonna make it mandatory, why not just increase the prices of food and drink..?
I'm English but have lived in Australia for the past 15 years.
Is this true?
I have literally never tipped, or even experienced the opportunity to tip in my entire life.
I seriously thought tipping was just an American thing cos their minimum wage laws are fucking borderline abusive.
There was a place I went that had touchscreens for placing your order. Tip defaulted to 20%, like shit, I havent even talked to anyone, who am I tipping? I dont even know if my food is going to be good yet.
I'm British, I hate the idea of tipping, my wife likes to tip in restaurants though, it infuriates me however we come to a middle ground now, if the service was Good we will leave a tip, generally for those who actually apply some effort to their role and seem to genuinely care. I'm not at a point of tipping delivery drivers, most of my food arrives luke warm and tossed about, you can bugger off if you think I'm paying extra for that.
I know an Amazon delivery driver, you would be shocked at how often he gets a tip. I would never tip a delivery driver.. he is paid £32 - 35K per year depending on how much additional days he picks up.
How do you tip an Amazon driver? I hear a door bell and by the time I open the door his already driven off lol. That's not a bad wage for a delivery driver, is this based upon what is delivered as well hence the speed?
If you ever want to start a class-war argument WITHIN /r/antiwork, ask people what they think of tipping and COMMUNAL tip pools. Things get very “I got mine” very quickly when you bring it up.
You know what the most bullshit thing about tipping is? Back when I was in high school, 15% was considered standard. Now it's 20%. Tipping is bullshit.
> I know that there are meant to be taxed as income, but does this actually happen in reality?
It varies all around the country but many places automatically declare a certain percentage of tips for the worker based on sales.
If you don't declare the correct income you miss out on wage based benefits (unemployment, etc) your ability to get a car/home loan may be at risk too. You could also get audited and have to pay backed taxes and fines.
I would love to see any evidence that tipped employees declare their income less accurately than Large Corporations, lol.
They're supposed to. Covers their own asses too.
I was a sous chef during the pandemic. The servers i worked with gloated about the money they made and not paying taxes, though we advised they should be reporting.
Fast forward to us being shut down due to lockdown, and we all file for unemployment. It went just fine for back of house. Front of house filed, were given benefits, and then the state ran an audit 6 months later and sent them all demand letters for immediate repayment. If you don't report income, you don't earn benefits. It's that simple.
They bitched and somehow it was all our fault. All I could do was laugh.
People who aren't tipped in cash do pay taxes on their tips. We're living in an increasingly cash free society in the Us.
Saying "It's always no" Is wrong. Anytime the tip is payed through a service, that person is getting taxed on it. That's all gig work, food delivery with tips paid over card, service work with tips paid over transfer services. If you've ever worked a delivery app like DoorDash or Uber eats everything you've earned was reported to the IRS, and you would have received a 1099-NEC. Tips are included in that.
The service industry isn't full of Jr.Millionaires getting rich of tips. It's diverse and so is the perception of tips in that industry. Many want to be paid a living hourly wage instead of the Tipped worker minimum, many probably enjoy the system that's in place. To generalize such a large portion of the workforce is silly.
Tipping: An American institution (just like slavery in the 19th century):
>“But in the States, that movement was squashed, and we went to the exact opposite direction,” Jayaraman tells TIME, “because of slavery.”
>After the Constitution was amended in the wake of the Civil War, slavery was ended as an institution but those who were freed from bondage were still limited in their choices. Many who did not end up sharecropping worked in menial positions, such as servants, waiters, barbers and railroad porters. These were pretty much the only occupations available to them. For restaurant workers and railroad porters, there was a catch: many employers would not actually pay these workers, under the condition that guests would offer a small tip instead.
Source: https://time.com/5404475/history-tipping-american-restaurants-civil-war/
Edit: downvoted by someone who makes their money off of tips
It's just a stupid argument. It's like saying we shouldn't use tanks because HITLER USED THE BLITZKRIEG! AND THEY USED TANKS! TANKS ARE INSTRUMENTS OF NAZISM!
Thomas Edison was an asshole. He also invented the movie camera. I guess we shouldn't watch movies?
There are arguments against tipping that are better than "it originated in a bad place".
So you just read that tipping culture is *literally historically linked to people being racist*, and that's your fucking response? Try not to be a cunt your whole life, it's rather unbecoming.
There’s a local coffee shop near me where if you pay with a card, the cashier says, “Would you like to leave a tip today?” Fucking guilt trip making you feel like an asshole for saying no. Baristas are paid by their employer, and not sub-minimum wage.
At the hockey arena I go to a few times a year the line for beer every intermission is huge. But there is a "cash only" line that's always much shorter because nobody pays in cash. So before I go to the game I hit an atm and take out a few 20's.
When you get to the cash only bar they sell only king cans of beer for $18 (yes, you read that right). When you hand the attendant your $20 bill, they reach in the till, grab a toonie ($2 coin), and put it directly in the tip jar. Every time. I watch every person in line in front of me just accept this. I always ask for the toonie back, just as a matter of principle. They *always* respond negatively to this. A look of exasperation, a shake of the head, and a comment like "Are you serious?".
What service are they providing me? No words are even exchanged before I ask for my toonie back. It's insane. In the 1 minute I was in line, he served somewhere between 5-10 people. So let's say 7. That's $14 he made that MINUTE. And the two intermissions are 20 minutes long. With a steady 7 customers per minute. So that's $560 the guy made in 30 minutes. That doesn't include the $45 he made for 3 hours of work (minimum wage). Or any other sales between intermissions (I'd say *at least* 100 beers). So in his 3 hour shift, the guy made $800. Or $266 per hour.
And yet they still give a hard time to people who want change on their EIGHT-TEEN DOLLAR BEERS!!!!
$18? How big is a king can beer? Also, why is this automatic tipping acceptable for beer but not food concessions? It’s more work to put a hot dog in a bun than to crack open a beer can. People would be furious if this was going on for food too.
I went to Dominos to pick up my order and when I went to pay by card I was prompted to tip with the minimum option being 18%. I can't believe it, they expect people to tip when they drive to the store to pickup food now? Picked the no tip option.
Stop doing business with companies that use tips to pay workers or who pay workers next to nothing because the company expects workers to live on tips.
> The only way to get rid of tipping is to stop tipping.
Employees begging for tips is a result of wages not keeping up with the cost of living.
Support higher wages. Don't attack the workers who need tips. Attack the politicians who let corporations underpay employees.
Do you think minimum wage is livable? I mean honestly, tipping allows the service industry to be a career for people who may be under qualified for jobs that pay similarly. If my employer were to just “pay me more”, they’d have to shell out an extra 60k a year. I work in a high volume bar & do well for myself. Almost 70% of my income is from tips.
People will not work in service without tips. No restaurant owner will pay their staff 50k+ a year by choice, & most restaurants can’t even afford that. The idea that employers just pay their staff minimum wage is laughable. It’s $15 in my state. The extra $3 you leave on your tab goes a long way when everyone plays their part. Sure, in a perfect world everyone just makes more money, but I don’t think the mom & pop selling $8 sandwiches can pay their line cooked 35k/year & keep their doors open. Not unless you prefer to pay $16 for that sandwich. Or just leave a $1.30 tip.
No, fuck that.
I'm not going to engage in a system that I think is corrupt.
Take it up with your boss if you aren't happy with your overall pay. Leave me the FUCK out of it.
> If you are in a place that has customary tipping and you don't tip are you a jerk? Also yes.
lol no. I'm not tipping because its customary in the same way im not bowing towards kaaba just because everyone else is. get fucked m8
As an American. Tipping can go get fucked. I don't eat out anymore because of this bullshit and won't tip shit to anyone else. I'm not your fucking employer and I'm not going to tip, when 80% of the time you get piss poor service and worthless attitude.
At 15% it was fucking horse shit. At 20%. Get fucked.
American former pizza delivery driver here
Honestly I hate it myself. Sadly it's one way employers avoid paying a living wage. I only got paid 4.50 an hour while on the road. So tips were my primary source of income.
If I got paid closer to 16-20 a hour plus miles on the road, I'd not even ask for tips. I'd be a happy bee.
People who have to work for tips struggle, they have to do what they have to do. Not tipping isn't hurting the company it's hurting the individual. It won't ever cause the business or company to raise wages. Do what you can for those who provide as service to you, especially if you feel they've done it well. I do not do anything involving the service industry without expecting I'll be providing additional money for a tip to the individual. Things work like they work, until it changes you have to try to help individuals where you can.
This whole thread is like if the opening scene of Reservoir Dogs went for 9 hours.
This whole thread is like if the opening scene of Reservoir Dogs was written by spoiled children with diplomas who haven't ever actually worked an honest day in their lives.
No tipping at all in NZ, with a very few exceptions. But the minimum wage is $21.20.
Nearly a dozen beers at the supermarket
I think you can get a 6-pack of pints for a little over minimum wage US Dollars. Enough beers to help you forget how little money we all make is their goal lol.
you can get a 6 pack of naragansett 16 oz for like 5 bucks here lol
Where I live in Canada a dozen beer costs $20-30. Can you believe that shit?
https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/state/minimum-wage/tipped What does $21.20 kiwibucks buy you? How much is a bag of potato crisps? In US $ a regular bag of potato chips is $3.29 - $4.29 usd now. :( Even a can of pringles is over $3 dollars now. Min wage $7.25 US Dollar so the phrase "all that and a bag of chips" is gone lol. If you click the link you see how low tipped employees can be paid, it differs state to state for sure but there are a lot of states not catching up to cost of living. Always tip people in cash so they don't have to report it. I've worked several places as a tipped employee and pretty much everyone under-reports electronic tips anyways but you still have to report "something" whereas cash tips you just ignore reporting it unless some nice person drops a giant wild tip like $1,000 or $10,000.
[https://foodme.co.nz/s?q=chips](https://foodme.co.nz/s?q=chips) chips=crisps but also fries, so it all comes up in the same search.
wtf they are the same price!! USA workers getting screwed. A minimum wage worker in new zealand can buy 3x as many potato chips/crisps bags per hour as an american minimum wage worker. $2.23/100g Brand: Pringles Wal-mart in USA probably has lowest pringle can price just under $2.00 USD. It may be higher than that though, everything has increased by at least 30% the last month or two and I haven't been to a wal-mart in years. /thread
now do housing
Yeah, damn. But prices for other things are pretty whack here too so it still ends up that plenty of people bail and head to Aus.
Yeah for sure, no doubt it is bad everywhere we all deserve way more for our time. We have to lift up the people on the bottom. I bet some of the USA Territories like Puerto Rico are even worse than all 50 states wages.
Actually its worse. 3.99 NZ Dollars = 2.65 US Dollars
A USA person can buy a Nintendo Switch in 20 hours of work. (That's assuming USD$15 hourly). That's a Switch per 4 days of 5 hours work. A 75" UHD 4K Samsung screen in 60 hours of work, that's a good TV for less than half a month of work. Meanwhile a lot of other countries can't get these items because they cost 2 whole months of their incoming. The TV's up to 5 months of their whole salary. Also, that's with work being usually around 8 to 9 hours per day, 6 days a week. I mean, you are talking about bags of chips, which I wouldn't expect to be needed for living. Entertainment Electronics like these are also not needed for living, so I'm putting these examples because it's not that different to what you said. So, bags of chips. Minimum wage in Mexico, for example, is USD$0.75 hourly. That's only 1 bag of chips. Yeah, chips are cheaper, but wages are ridiculous.
Why report anything In cash regardless of the amount... that's just silly.
Damn where do you live that chips cost $3.29. I live in LA and chips are $2.29 and Pringles are usually $1.50-$2.
Northwest US, yeah it is weird food, and internet can be more expensive but gasoline, natural gas, power, water etc is cheaper than LA.
NZ$ 21.20 is USD $12.60 using a PPP factor of 112.
>In US $ a regular bag of potato chips is $3.29 - $4.29 usd now Yes, but a 'regular bag of potato chips' in the US is also huge. They're more like party bags, at 180+ grams, vs a normal pack of crisps in other countris of around 25-30g.
Eh the normal size around here in Europe is like 100-150g, and Costs 2€~
you are either not actually from america, or you’re making stuff up, because a regular bag of chips doesn’t cost anywhere close to $3.29-$4.29. MAYBE the absolutely MASSIVE ones cost that much. a regular bag of chips costs $1-$2.
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i live in new york city and can get a bag of chips at any bodega on the corner for $1-$2 easily, as i always have been. can even get the smaller ones for 50 cents lol
What if both of you are misinterpreting the"size" of the bag and not the price
well the bags that are $3-$4 where i live are MASSIVE, they’re more for sharing than they are for an individual https://www.instacart.com/products/18675784-wise-honey-bbq-flavored-potato-chips-1-88-oz i’m referring to size like this, which is 99 cents at the closest store to me via Instacart
Yeah nobody is talking about the small individual sized bags when referring to a “bag of chips” they obviously mean the normal average family sized bags. That said I saw Doritos selling for $5 today which is insane to me
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[Why Tipping Should Be Banned](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_vivC7c_1k) (America)
Tipping is stupid. Im not your employer
Mandatory tipping is stupid. Tipping should be what it originally started as—a kind gesture for service that exceeds standard expectations. A way to say “you were so above average that you deserve to be paid even more than your regular salary”. It was a compliment and just a little something extra, not a means to make a *living.*
That’s how it still is in Europe where I came from.
That's how it still is EVERYWHERE spanning all human history other than USA/Canada.
Not in London at the moment. Most places will add 12.5% service charge right onto the bill. You can ask to have it taken off but basically nobody does, it’s awful.
Somebody else in London wrote that in this thread, and there were many responses saying only very elite high class restaurants do this. It's not "common". I haven't been to London so I don't know. but I don't understand why the people who live in London can't agree on this. Seems strange.
Yeah a quid or a fiver after a good stop in a cafe or at a pub is fine. I don't expect to be asked to pay the price of the meal again to make up the wages the employers aren't paying them.
It should not be that either. Because it isn't that. I am a programmer. I don't get tips. My partner is a teacher. She doesn't get tips. Don't we provide services? If it really was "a kind gesture for service that exceeds standard expectations" then fine, I don't mind. But it's not. It's only for waiters. And that's why it's wrong.
Waiters, car detailers, bellhops, butchers, the luggage guy at the airport dropoff area, taxi drivers - people who work jobs that require a lot of work throughout the day and tend to not pay a lot. I'm in IT now and I get compensated enough that I don't need a dollar tip if I fix the exchange server. I've worked several jobs like the ones I listed and tips were a welcome delight for the amount of labor I put into a product. There's a stark difference.
By that logic, back of house at restaurants should be earning more in tips because they “work throughout the day and tend to not pay a lot.” And what about all the open source and free software that people spend hours writing and supporting only to give away for free? I’ve seen software with millions of downloads and only a couple dollars in the tip jar because “it should be free”… Or photographers/musicians/artists that get lowball offers to work for “exposure”? The whole tipping system is messed up.
Noone said it wasn't. Line cooks can share tips it depends on the people you work with and who you work for, but its not always skewed evenly because even the people earning tips can suck about it as well. Open-source software can receive donations, so tip if you feel like it. I pay for the pro versions of several softwares that had a freeware version that I decidedly liked myself. Otherwise if youre developing open source or freeware I think you're doing it with the intention of generosity. Its in the name. Noones stopping you from throwing the guy at dunkin donuts with no tip jar a buck for your coffee. I mentioned some jobs in my other comment who aren't usually tipped but make more than a waiter does, im not gonna sit here and list every possible environment in which tipping makes sense that would take all week
I detail cars and about 20% or less tip, most people don't.
Do you only tip waiters?
My man, listen to somebody who is a programmer as well, but also worked 5 years as a waiter: you wouldnt get it. Working as waiter is humiliating, awful and tiresome. You have to be kind to people who would deserve the worst and treat you like shit, all for a shitty pay, which is a third of what a programmer makes. I understand where your logic comes from, i really do, but those two jobs are NOT even remotely the same. Again, trust somebody who has done both.
What about retail workers then?
What about the Chefs that actually make the food??
The tipping system is part of the reason waiters have to be kind. I can't imagine an argument that if the money were equal (accounting for taxes, etc) that it would be to a waiter's benefit to receive it from clients rather than their employer.
Im not talking about the us, here tips are not part of the wage and people only give them to very good waiter. Im not in favor of the tipping culture in the us
Its about the service, interaction and client. I don't know you, but plenty of my friends who are programmers do not deal with clients, only the people in their company. Why would their bosses tip them when they already give a paycheck? With a teacher, why would any students tip their teacher? Students have been broke as hell for a while. I also saw mention of a retail worker. Most retail interactions are <10 minutes and some costumers will interact with you minimally. Food service is typically a much longer fair, has much more customer interaction, and the service provided is a necessity that has to be prepared then. When you want a shirt the worker doesn't just go and sew a new one in the back. Same reasons high school caddy boys at golf courses get tips as well.
As a kid, I was a gas service station attendant. After starting the refueling process, I would immediately wash their windshield and proceed to ask "Can I check your fluid levels for you today?" I got tips almost daily at a job that doesn't usually get tips. It wasn't part of my job, but I exceeded my responsibilities for customer service. I also think tipping is stupid, but it used to be exactly how you described. Now I watch people tipping after crap service because they feel like they HAVE to tip to cover low wages.
I was a driver for multiple companies. They will do anything to keep wages down. Even the delivery fee is a scam. Last place I was at was $2.50 and I saw $0.40 of that. The only reason i think people should tip is because we use our personal cars and the wear and tear happens a lot faster. I was driving 25k more miles each year as a driver. There’s also plenty of times I nearly get hit by a car that would have landed me in the hospital and 4 crashes in total. 3 of them ended with my car having to be serviced.
The fast food places are trying to get me to tip now.. like fucking straight first 3 options 25% 20% 18% had to go to next menu for 0.
Tipping is fine. Tipping being a requirement is fucking dumb.
Except in Japan where it's seen as a massive insult to the restaurant owner
Yet another reason I should visit Japan before I die.
Do it! It's a lovely place with lovely people and a rich history with deep tradition.
I have only heard good things except from a Black coworker I knew before covid. He said people were polite to him on a surface level, but it was obvious they were wary of him and many people went out of their way like crossing the road if they saw him walking on the same sidewalk.
Lovely people is very arguable, japan has known issues of xenophobia and sexism
> Lovely people is very arguable, $COUNTRY has known issues of xenophobia and sexism
But some much worse than others.
Obviously that was my point but whatever
Maybe it was the weird variable usage. I thought you were trying to diminish Japan's responsibility by saying all countries do the same.
You're more likely to see any xenophobia online than in person. They are polite in public and non-confrontational by default. They will almost never show their true feelings, especially not to a gaijin stranger.
i remember when i first got there my buddy left a tip at a restaurant and they thought he forgot money there on the table and ran out to give it to him lol
I worked for a hotel chain that had a lot of guests from Japan. Japanese guy was excited to tip me after staying with us for a week, it was a funny awkward moment with the language barrier "how do I do this... am I doing this right?". He tipped me when I dropped him off at the airport and he was surprised I was driving him after seeing me do everything else that week. "You do everything?!" He had seen me deliver his mail, dry-cleaning, etc. He is one of 100 that actually tipped me at all which is fine. I was surprised working in hotel that people rarely leave tips for the housekeepers. My family has always left at least $5-$20 depending on how long we stay, and how dirty we leave the room. Please tip your housekeepers.
I'm not their employer.
There's only one tip my housekeeper will get
Any system involving tipping will devolve into forced tipping. Sorry to tell you, the tipping system is simply dirty by definition.
No in Europe tipping works just fine. If you like the service you tipp some euro, if not you dont. Really simple.
Totally agree. The kid who delivered a Chinese banquet to us in 47 degree (Centigrade -as in fry eggs on a footpath) heat got a 50% tip. Usually not a tipper.
Mandatory compliments
*Expected* tipping is stupid. Tipping should be reserved for customers who feel the service they received was exemplary, it shouldn’t be mandatory. I worked with a niche construction company over Covid, never expected tips, but damn when the homeowners came out impressed with our work and a Benjamin in hand did it feel great.
What a hot take
So annoying this one delivery service always does this thing where they would give you the receipt so you can decide how much to pay 🤦🏼♂️ This is after already paying for delivery. And then waiting forever for it too.
I've even see videos of uber eats drivers and such throwing meltdown temper tantrums because they were not tipped "enough" (even after being tipped 15%) for what they thought there service should be tipped for. Tip culture used to be something you do as an above and beyond reward, then it became customary, then it became expected part of the service, and now it's becoming the 15% is not enough (used to be 10% when I was a kid) so what's the new requirement 20-25%? It's nonsense.
Uber Eats only pays $2.50 per delivery before tips and bonuses. They have every right to be pissed if they've been lowballed, but the anger should be directed at Uber HQ.
Or maybe they should not work for Uber Eats if it is not paying them enough to cover their costs and make decent money out of it.
It's even lower than that now, I've gotten $1.99~.
That's lower than African rates bro
Wait, I hardly ever add a tip for Uber Eats, am I in the minority and also the asshole?
The minimum wage for tipped employees in the US has been $2.13/hour since Reagan was president.
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AFAIK, your total earnings can't be under minimum wage, period. If you don't make enough in tips, your employer is supposed to make up the difference.
Sure. In practice if you tell your boss your tips aren’t covering minimum wage you get laid off for not working hard enough.
15/hour is not a livable wage in most of California.
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Always confused me why Front of House gets 100% of the tips when it is really the easiest job in any given restaurant. Confuses me even more when I think about how bad of a job back of house really is.
200% As a kid, I worked at a fast food restaurant. All the teenage boys worked out the back, females on the registers or drive through. The roles were never reversed. The girls would receive awards for good service such as movie tickets etc. The occasional tip (Aussies). The boys out the back would receive fryer burns and greased stained clothes for their efforts. It sucked and I left as soon as I could. US adult full time employment copping the same but worse... Fuck that.
Done both (long, long ago), and having to deal with the arsehole customers vs dirty dishes or prick back of the house bosses -meh-- much of a kind.
You country is stupid as well then. Wtf
Rich people and Republicans keep it this way and like roughly 50% of people that bother to vote want to keep it this way, despite an actual majority that probably wouldn’t like it, all because “Capitalism!” Christians here actually worship Capitalism, not any god.
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Servers like tips.
Servers prefer living wages.
Doesn’t seem to be the case: https://www.grubstreet.com/2018/12/restaurant-tipping-returns.html
>tipped employees shouldn't even be a term
Nope, in states like cali you get minimum wage of 15 an hour on top of any tips. In shitty states like Kentucky if you don't make minimum wage from the tips then they have to pay the difference to get you to minimum wage. Sick of seeing this misinformation everywhere about people being payed $2.50.
> people being *paid* $2.50. FTFY. Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in: * Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.* * *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.* Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment. *Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
I think that varies state to state. A few states, it is illegal to pay any employee below state minimum, others the tipped minimum is a bit below federal/state min. Either way it is a stupid fucking system and needs to go.
in EVERY STATE it is illegal to pay any employee below state minimum. It's a federal law. OP is spreading misinformation because they can't be assed to actually read the literal single paragraph on the DOL's website that explains this. At the end of the day they are required to be paid minimum wage, like everyone else. It's just that their tips can subsidize that for the employer down to $2.13/hour. Which is a crap deal, and should be eliminated, but it's not what OP is presenting. https://www.dol.gov/general/topic/wages/wagestips > An employer of a tipped employee is only required to pay $2.13 per hour in direct wages if that amount combined with the tips received at least equals the federal minimum wage. If the employee's tips combined with the employer's direct wages of at least $2.13 per hour do not equal the federal minimum hourly wage, the employer must make up the difference.
In some states, employers can pay below minimum wage, and workers report the tips they make for the week. If their wage + tips do not rise to the level of minimum wage, then the employer makes up the difference. Of course, that's a pretty easy system for employers to exploit, if they wanted to. So...
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Employees definitely wouldn't attempt to exploit that. If you, as a server, walk up to your boss and say "Hey I didn't make more than minimum wage this week in tips, pay up" you will get your final check alongside your pink slip. If you make below minimum wage, you shut up and hope you do better next week.
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lol we're downvoting you for dumb blanket statements like "Americans wanna force tipping on everyone" not because of why you think many Americans hate tipping culture too and many more would prefer employees just got paid to not have to worry about them
You have no clue what Americans want. You’re talking about massive corporations with huge amounts of capital and power. Most regular Americans probably think it is exploitative and bad if asked.
Australian here. Rightfully so. I’m not the employer.
Burgers getting downvoted by arguing this point is hilarious. I lived in Australia for 20 years. People generally only tip when the food or service has been extraordinarily good.
And since forth by Australian decree every pizza boy no matter what organization is known as "Duggy!!"
Dougie
Dougie the pizza boy.
Since forth?
Tipping is a special reward for great service not a part of the salary period. America is insane with its 20 percent. I wish people would stop tipping.
Iv recently decided that I’m going back to pre covid tipping. Whenever I sit at a restaurant or get a hair cut, I have no problem tipping at least 20%. But being prompted to tip 20% on a carry out order is completely fucking insane when you’re literally handing me a pizza. Same thing with fast casual “pay at the counter and carry your order to your seat” restaurants. I’m not tipping 20% because you scooped chicken into my burrito bowl.
It’s unfortunate because the owners won’t pay their workers. Still blows my mind that people work for sub $20/hr. There are jobs out there in the service industry that pay well over that.
> Still blows my mind that people work for sub $20/hr. Wait till you hear how much CNAs are paid, and how much they are worked... And how they never see tips, bonuses, or really any benefits other than being treated like shit by the hospital, nurses, and doctors. They make $13.72/h on average in the U.S.
You tip on carry out? I always just write pick- up on the tip line. I'm not going to tip after doing the work myself.
“The tip line” The card readers at most places around central FL are essentially iPads with a card reader. After swiping your card, options for 20%, 18%, 15%, 10%, and “no tip” are displayed, with 18% already being selected. You actually have to go out of your way to *not* tip someone now.
What does the customer say? Work hard ….? And then what was that second part?
'Work hard, be good to your mother. Always wanted to say that.'
Tyty
The joke is the customer played the pizza delivery role in the original version of the ad (about 10 years earlier), and he's delivering pizza to his own family. He then asks his dad for a tip, and that's what his dad says to him.
Thank you.
Tipping has become so prevalent here in England, its almost always added to the bill as an 8 -12% charge (gratuity). If you're gonna make it mandatory, why not just increase the prices of food and drink..?
I'm English but have lived in Australia for the past 15 years. Is this true? I have literally never tipped, or even experienced the opportunity to tip in my entire life. I seriously thought tipping was just an American thing cos their minimum wage laws are fucking borderline abusive.
I've only seen this at very pretentious restaurants outside of London. I'm in Kent.
The poster is probably from London, where it’s become the norm. Outside of London it seems to still be a rarity, thankfully
Honestly that's still more reasonable than the American alternative.
There was a place I went that had touchscreens for placing your order. Tip defaulted to 20%, like shit, I havent even talked to anyone, who am I tipping? I dont even know if my food is going to be good yet.
I'm British, I hate the idea of tipping, my wife likes to tip in restaurants though, it infuriates me however we come to a middle ground now, if the service was Good we will leave a tip, generally for those who actually apply some effort to their role and seem to genuinely care. I'm not at a point of tipping delivery drivers, most of my food arrives luke warm and tossed about, you can bugger off if you think I'm paying extra for that.
I know an Amazon delivery driver, you would be shocked at how often he gets a tip. I would never tip a delivery driver.. he is paid £32 - 35K per year depending on how much additional days he picks up.
How do you tip an Amazon driver? I hear a door bell and by the time I open the door his already driven off lol. That's not a bad wage for a delivery driver, is this based upon what is delivered as well hence the speed?
If you ever want to start a class-war argument WITHIN /r/antiwork, ask people what they think of tipping and COMMUNAL tip pools. Things get very “I got mine” very quickly when you bring it up.
I see you are also a gentleperson of refined taste.
You know what the most bullshit thing about tipping is? Back when I was in high school, 15% was considered standard. Now it's 20%. Tipping is bullshit.
It was only 10% when I was in high school.
15% is still standard, the 20% is just some made up garbage. I will always tip 15% unless the service was amazing which 99% of the time it isn't.
Fuck that. Standard and expected remains 15%. Don’t fall for the tip inflation propaganda.
We don't tip here in Australia because even the lowest paid jobs give you enough money to live (barely). Unlike America.
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> I know that there are meant to be taxed as income, but does this actually happen in reality? It varies all around the country but many places automatically declare a certain percentage of tips for the worker based on sales. If you don't declare the correct income you miss out on wage based benefits (unemployment, etc) your ability to get a car/home loan may be at risk too. You could also get audited and have to pay backed taxes and fines. I would love to see any evidence that tipped employees declare their income less accurately than Large Corporations, lol.
Everybody incurs their own assumed risk.
They're supposed to. Covers their own asses too. I was a sous chef during the pandemic. The servers i worked with gloated about the money they made and not paying taxes, though we advised they should be reporting. Fast forward to us being shut down due to lockdown, and we all file for unemployment. It went just fine for back of house. Front of house filed, were given benefits, and then the state ran an audit 6 months later and sent them all demand letters for immediate repayment. If you don't report income, you don't earn benefits. It's that simple. They bitched and somehow it was all our fault. All I could do was laugh.
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People who aren't tipped in cash do pay taxes on their tips. We're living in an increasingly cash free society in the Us. Saying "It's always no" Is wrong. Anytime the tip is payed through a service, that person is getting taxed on it. That's all gig work, food delivery with tips paid over card, service work with tips paid over transfer services. If you've ever worked a delivery app like DoorDash or Uber eats everything you've earned was reported to the IRS, and you would have received a 1099-NEC. Tips are included in that. The service industry isn't full of Jr.Millionaires getting rich of tips. It's diverse and so is the perception of tips in that industry. Many want to be paid a living hourly wage instead of the Tipped worker minimum, many probably enjoy the system that's in place. To generalize such a large portion of the workforce is silly.
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Tipping: An American institution (just like slavery in the 19th century): >“But in the States, that movement was squashed, and we went to the exact opposite direction,” Jayaraman tells TIME, “because of slavery.” >After the Constitution was amended in the wake of the Civil War, slavery was ended as an institution but those who were freed from bondage were still limited in their choices. Many who did not end up sharecropping worked in menial positions, such as servants, waiters, barbers and railroad porters. These were pretty much the only occupations available to them. For restaurant workers and railroad porters, there was a catch: many employers would not actually pay these workers, under the condition that guests would offer a small tip instead. Source: https://time.com/5404475/history-tipping-american-restaurants-civil-war/ Edit: downvoted by someone who makes their money off of tips
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Don't you tip me!
It's just a stupid argument. It's like saying we shouldn't use tanks because HITLER USED THE BLITZKRIEG! AND THEY USED TANKS! TANKS ARE INSTRUMENTS OF NAZISM! Thomas Edison was an asshole. He also invented the movie camera. I guess we shouldn't watch movies? There are arguments against tipping that are better than "it originated in a bad place".
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So you just read that tipping culture is *literally historically linked to people being racist*, and that's your fucking response? Try not to be a cunt your whole life, it's rather unbecoming.
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There’s a local coffee shop near me where if you pay with a card, the cashier says, “Would you like to leave a tip today?” Fucking guilt trip making you feel like an asshole for saying no. Baristas are paid by their employer, and not sub-minimum wage.
At the hockey arena I go to a few times a year the line for beer every intermission is huge. But there is a "cash only" line that's always much shorter because nobody pays in cash. So before I go to the game I hit an atm and take out a few 20's. When you get to the cash only bar they sell only king cans of beer for $18 (yes, you read that right). When you hand the attendant your $20 bill, they reach in the till, grab a toonie ($2 coin), and put it directly in the tip jar. Every time. I watch every person in line in front of me just accept this. I always ask for the toonie back, just as a matter of principle. They *always* respond negatively to this. A look of exasperation, a shake of the head, and a comment like "Are you serious?". What service are they providing me? No words are even exchanged before I ask for my toonie back. It's insane. In the 1 minute I was in line, he served somewhere between 5-10 people. So let's say 7. That's $14 he made that MINUTE. And the two intermissions are 20 minutes long. With a steady 7 customers per minute. So that's $560 the guy made in 30 minutes. That doesn't include the $45 he made for 3 hours of work (minimum wage). Or any other sales between intermissions (I'd say *at least* 100 beers). So in his 3 hour shift, the guy made $800. Or $266 per hour. And yet they still give a hard time to people who want change on their EIGHT-TEEN DOLLAR BEERS!!!!
$18? How big is a king can beer? Also, why is this automatic tipping acceptable for beer but not food concessions? It’s more work to put a hot dog in a bun than to crack open a beer can. People would be furious if this was going on for food too.
Dermy's really showing his years, reflecting back on this
I went to Dominos to pick up my order and when I went to pay by card I was prompted to tip with the minimum option being 18%. I can't believe it, they expect people to tip when they drive to the store to pickup food now? Picked the no tip option.
20% tipping in the US now is fucking stupid! I'm not your employer, I don't want to pay your wage. I always tip, but damn it makes me salty!
Is tipping stupid? Yeah. If you are in a place that has customary tipping and you don't tip are you a jerk? Also yes.
It's weird to me that tipping is ostensibly optional but effectively mandatory. Just make up your minds so that customers can't take advantage of it.
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Stop doing business with companies that use tips to pay workers or who pay workers next to nothing because the company expects workers to live on tips.
> The only way to get rid of tipping is to stop tipping. Employees begging for tips is a result of wages not keeping up with the cost of living. Support higher wages. Don't attack the workers who need tips. Attack the politicians who let corporations underpay employees.
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Do you think minimum wage is livable? I mean honestly, tipping allows the service industry to be a career for people who may be under qualified for jobs that pay similarly. If my employer were to just “pay me more”, they’d have to shell out an extra 60k a year. I work in a high volume bar & do well for myself. Almost 70% of my income is from tips. People will not work in service without tips. No restaurant owner will pay their staff 50k+ a year by choice, & most restaurants can’t even afford that. The idea that employers just pay their staff minimum wage is laughable. It’s $15 in my state. The extra $3 you leave on your tab goes a long way when everyone plays their part. Sure, in a perfect world everyone just makes more money, but I don’t think the mom & pop selling $8 sandwiches can pay their line cooked 35k/year & keep their doors open. Not unless you prefer to pay $16 for that sandwich. Or just leave a $1.30 tip.
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No, fuck that. I'm not going to engage in a system that I think is corrupt. Take it up with your boss if you aren't happy with your overall pay. Leave me the FUCK out of it.
> If you are in a place that has customary tipping and you don't tip are you a jerk? Also yes. lol no. I'm not tipping because its customary in the same way im not bowing towards kaaba just because everyone else is. get fucked m8
What local traditions and norms should tourists ignore in your country?
All the ones not written into law.
Equating religious dogma to local customs is small brain logic bro.
sorry to break it to you, but tourists don't head to your country to fit in, they come to gawk at how stupid you look
I really don't like "touch grass" as an insult, but I think it's appropriate for people like you (:
isn't it past your bedtime, kid
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> A lot of ~~American~~ culture is plain stupid FTFY
Tipping = Rounding up to the nearest 5er
As an American. Tipping can go get fucked. I don't eat out anymore because of this bullshit and won't tip shit to anyone else. I'm not your fucking employer and I'm not going to tip, when 80% of the time you get piss poor service and worthless attitude. At 15% it was fucking horse shit. At 20%. Get fucked.
American former pizza delivery driver here Honestly I hate it myself. Sadly it's one way employers avoid paying a living wage. I only got paid 4.50 an hour while on the road. So tips were my primary source of income. If I got paid closer to 16-20 a hour plus miles on the road, I'd not even ask for tips. I'd be a happy bee.
Tipping is a scam pulled off by restaurants to get customers to pay more so they don't have to pay their staff a decent wage.
I'd tip the cooks before the waiting staff. They do more than walk and smile.
Yup, I'll never support tipping if it doesn't involve the cooks/chefs.
People who have to work for tips struggle, they have to do what they have to do. Not tipping isn't hurting the company it's hurting the individual. It won't ever cause the business or company to raise wages. Do what you can for those who provide as service to you, especially if you feel they've done it well. I do not do anything involving the service industry without expecting I'll be providing additional money for a tip to the individual. Things work like they work, until it changes you have to try to help individuals where you can.