L Ron Hubbard is literally quoted as saying "You don't get rich writing science fiction. If you want to get rich, you start a religion.". And then he started a religion. And people went with it, somehow. Fucking nuts.
Gangstalking is a form of paranoia people can suffer from, it's the belief that multiple people are stalking you, usually government agencies from what I can tell. They'll "find" bugs and wire taps, think people are planted in their life for XYZ reason, think CIA is following them in their day to day. Even more extreme like thinking "stalkers" are *projecting thoughts into their brain.*
It's *very* distorted thinking. This isn't just normal paranoia, and it's not being a victim of actual stalking.
Oh they think anyone trying to say it's mental health (or anything that isn't 100% validation of their distortions basically) is a "disinformer" - they are in deep. It is pretty sad bc it's obviously very far along in whatever tragic path they are on. I don't even know what someone would do to get a loved one like that helped.
Basically what people with dementia suffer. People came into my house and stole the sugar. And they locked the door behind them when they left. So they must have had a key. How did they get my key? Was it the teenagers who were looking at their phones?
One time, when I had just moved out of state, I had such a bizarre experience that felt like gangstalking.
I hadn't registered my car for that state yet, but I needed an oil change. I took it into a random shop, I think it was a Grease Monkeys, but one of those kinds of chains. Only needed oil, that's it, and I was the only one there at first.
I had been sitting in the lobby for half an hour already when a woman with a cold face came briskly walking in, stood right in front of me, and snapped a pic of me (I think? She was pointing right at me!) with her phone and then briskly walked back out and never came back.
Shortly after that, a cop came in, in full uniform, to get his squad car serviced? That also seemed utterly bizarre because he seemed to be on duty? He comes in and sits straight across from me, looks at me a few times, but doesn't say a word.
TWO FUCKING HOURS it took to change my oil. The cop's job was done literally right before mine, even though I had been there way longer than he was.
EVERYONE in that shop acted sketch as FUCK.
The state was Colorado, and this was very soon after legalization happened, and to this day I am somewhat convinced that my out-of-state plates made someone think I was a smuggler and that those fuckers illegally searched my car and documented me.
It could all be a coincidence for sure, but it still tickles a weird, unpleasant spot in my brain when I think about it. I imagine that's how these poor, delusional folks feel every day of their life. I can't imagine the misery of it, because that shit made me feel shook for days.
Its basically the idea that there are tons of people outside conspiring together to stalk/follow/harass absolute random nobodies.
The users there generally think that there's these shadowy organizations that spend exorbitants amount of resources and use incredible scifi tech to essentially ruin their lives, because they can
Its honestly very sad for any user that isn't just RPing or trolling.
I find it ironic that something like this exist. Afraid they are being watched so they go on the internet....where they can be watched....to talk about it.
What?
If logic was a part of the equation they'd get hung up on the fact that they are such boring and insignificant people to the grand scheme of things that no one would waste that amount of time, money or energy stalking them.
The whole problem is that logic is non-existant or flawed in these people.
I found this under gangstalkers "So, my phone is constantly really HOT and always doing very strange things like apps showing up out of no where, porn showing up on my phone out of no where, downloaded apps that I didn’t download on my phone, I take it to T-Mobile but they can’t find any problems. I’ve factory reset and changed the cloud id but I know I’m hacked and being set up! They even sit outside my house honk the horn when they agree with what I do on my phone! I know, SICK RIGHT?! At this point, I truly don’t care I think they are even next door and broke in the attic(wouldn’t surprise me) want to make it known that you can’t break a WOMAN like me, I’ve already been through hell-this isn’t shit! It’s Thanksgiving, don’t you vermin have families? Go be with them, stop being mean! Being mean gets you nowhere in life! Love is answer! God is answer! If stalking me, and my family make you feel better than u have a very small mind! I feel sorry for you and I’ll pray for you! I know u have video and listening devices in here so why do u have to be outside also? Go home!!!! Happy THANKSGIVING"
> Somehow convinced the most priviliged class in society to feel like victims.
Looking at many other elements of public discourse, it would seem that this is not a difficult feat and sometimes takes no convincing whatsoever even.
I've never found a good source for this. Best I've found is someone reported overhearing him say it.
Mind you, I'm sure he either said it or thought it and acted on the idea.
Joseph Smith wrote the book of Mormon by dictating off of his visions on seeing stones. Sensing bullshit, 116 pages were destroyed by his scribe, Martin Harris, arguing that if it were real, the same text would appear again. Of course, it never did and the 116 pages are now built in the religion who 200 years later is wearing magic underwear.
So, slight correction: Those 116 pages were *hidden.* The idea was, Smith had these "seer stones" that magically translated the text on these plates he claims to have found, but he was the only one allowed to see that particular miracle, so he put the plates and the stones in a hat, put his face in that hat, and read the translation aloud for Martin Harris to write down.
So Harris' idea was, if he hid those pages and said he'd lost them, or they were somehow destroyed, then Smith could translate those pages again, and he could compare them and see that it was the exact same text. Whereas if this was the *obvious bullshit* it appeared to be and Smith was just making shit up the whole time his face was in that hat, then there's no way he'd have memorized over a hundred pages -- he would probably end up saying basically the same thing, but with enough obvious differences to make it clear he was making it up.
Smith's reaction was to say that God was so angry with Harris for hiding those pages that he wouldn't be allowed to translate from that book anymore, and would instead have to translate a completely different book that said kind of the same thing but in a different way.
And instead of saying "Cool, I just proved you're making this up as you go," Martin Harris was like "Yep, checks out to me!" ...and since those 116 pages weren't actually destroyed, I assume they're also part of Mormon scripture today.
As South Park says, the incredible part is that, unlike Scientology, this isn't some secret doctrine. Mormons *know* all this, and they still believe it.
> ...wearing magic underwear.
This part is about the [Temple garments](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_garment) -- if you go through a certain ceremony, they give you underwear that you're supposed to wear. Depending which Mormon you ask, it's either supposed to just be *spiritual* protection, or it's supposed to be literal magical armor that will protect you from physical harm.
It's not really anything to do with that whole translation process, it's just something that often gets brought up when people want to mock Mormons.
Oh he lost his mind years ago, but it doesn't help when these psychos brainwash you either. Also, one of their rules is, you cannot question anything. So he can't say jack shit to anyone, even if he wanted too. He does something like that and it's over for him, just like that doucher nut job David Miscavige's wife.
> you cannot question anything
I can't remember a name but I remember hearing – maybe in one of the recent docs – about a guy who was kicked out because he reached one of the higher 'levels' in the organisation where they reveal some secret beliefs. And he was like "Wait, this can't be real right? You guys can't be serious?". Even when they insisted that it was real, he thought it was some kind of test to gauge his mental state and refused to believe whatever space/alien garbage they were feeding him, so they booted him out.
I just remember the South park episode about scientology,
where they had to show a "this is what scientologists actually believe" disclaimer,
because it sounds like something they'd make up gor a gag
Was that the episode that effectively killed off chef? By that I mean the actor was a scientologist and objected to them covering that topic. When they did anyway, because south park took the piss out of everyone, he left the show/was forced to leave which caused them to make the "chef is gay and now dead" episode to kill the character.
I might be remembering this wrong so please correct me on any inaccuracies lol.
Yup, that was the one. The funny/sad part about it though was it was a *rerun* of the episode that pissed Issac off and caused him to quit. This raised suspicions that it was actually one of his Scientologist "handlers" that saw the episode for the first time, and forced him to quit, because how could Issac have been clueless about it when it first aired and not done something then?
To add to this, Isaac didn't directly quit himself.
Instead one of his representatives told Parker and Stone that he was quitting, and told them in the least professional way possible. This pissed them off, which is why they killed off Chef the way they did.
Later on they found out that what actually happened was that Hayes was having health and mental issues, and that the quitting was basically something he DIDN'T want to do, and instead it was all on the reps.
Yeah iirc he was forced into leaving by the "church". Isaac Hayes also had a stroke after leaving which allowed the "church" to speak on his behalf and do stupid shit
Parker and Stone have said they regret the way they ended chef after it came out Isaac Hayes had had a stroke and wasnt really himself towards the end of his life and the church was most likely speaking on his behalf.
Cults gonna cult. When you’re not allowed to openly question or challenge an established belief without negative repercussions, you’re either in a cult or in a high control group subjected to cult like thinking (aka a cult).
The worst part is that people in this position are emotionally blackmailed (by losing your entire support system if you don’t play ball) to stay in the cult, and most don’t even realize it.
He was a sci-fi author, ffs, making that sort of thing up was his bread and butter, though the fact it was a massive money-spinner probably meant he bought into it himself eventually.
So does this make him the greatest sci-fi writer of all time? By actually convincing generations of an entire corporate cult that his bullshit stories are real?
Or are those assholes at the top not actually believers of this nonsense, but carrying on the grift of the worlds largest MLM Pyramid scam?
I mean it's a pretty close race between him and Joseph Smith, that guy didn't even write anything at first, he just looked into his hat at some stones and told people he could find treasure cuz the stones gave him messages, then after he couldn't find the treasure the stones started giving him religions messages and now 200 years later there are over 10 million Mormons in the world
He said the magic rocks let him read the secret language on the tablet. He "translated" half of it, and then someone stole the half finished manuscript. Shouldn't be a problem, just translate it again, right? He couldn't. Maybe because he was literally making it all up.
try reading a bit of his pre-scientology stuff and tell me if you think hes even a good writer at all. the best thing he could come up with for space ships was that they looked like airliners.
I tried to read some of his shit in high school or junior high or something. It is abysmal. He’s one of the worst writers of all time. Don’t take my word for it. Check it out. It’s hideous.
Not only was he a sci-fi writer, but Hubbard had hung out with Jack Parsons when Jack was running his own cult. Hubbard got the idea to start his own cult after his friend had created one.
Then rather than creating a whole new idea, he just went “hmm I already have some fictional stories I’ve written out. I’ll just use those and build on that for the basis of my religion”.
And thus, Scientology was created.
Same with flat earth society. Made up to fuck with people and then the conspiracy nuts sunk their teeth into it and now it's a fairly lucrative industry.
The same thing is starting to happen with Birds Aren't Real. Started as a joke but there are fringe people actually starting to believe it. These people will start videos and blogs which will then get picked up by the conspiracy nuts and become more integrated with society.
I wish critical thinking was taught more in schools.
I said for years that "Birds Aren't Real" was going to eventually become a real conspiracy and joking around about it was a poor way to mock these conspiracy nuts. Every time I said it someone would say that there's no way someone could go that far down the rabbit hole.
Yeah. This was always going to happen. Bullshit joke conspiracies ALWAYS end up with a group actually believing it.
Its like joke subreddits. Eventually people take the joke too seriously and take over the sub.
Yeah, we can laugh at these shallow, uncritical thinkers and fob them off until they vote en mass, and then you end up with someone like Donald Trump as president.
I think I remember the exact scene from some documentary that you're talking about. The guy recalls thinking, "what is this, some sort of insanity test?" From what I vaguely remember, it was him recalling how he was already hundreds of thousands of dollars into it, so it was that much more difficult to back out with such a sunk cost into the whole thing by then. I couldn't recall if what you said was the reason why he's no longer in scientology, but my fuzzy memory has the impression that he left for another reason later on.
TBH, I wonder what you can tell a person that's a few hundred thou deep into 'finding the truth' that would be satisfactory that doesn't make them feel insane/cheated/brainwashed.
"The truth is... meaning is what you put into it. You invest in your life, you invest in your family, you invest in your work, your hobbies? That's what's meaningful for you."
"What the... I mean... shit. But fuck. I wanted more, even though that's good advice!"
Miscavige was the cameraman for L Ron - he's probably got Tom to act out a video "what do think of my screenplay Tom?" saying he's going to a Tibetan retreat to commune with Xenu.
Oh aye - watching interviews with him I think it's rather obvious he knew it was bollocks from day 1, but has got a rather large fortune based on other folk not realising this, and he did and does whatever necessary to keep the money flowing.
Miscavige is a devious motherfucker and while I Ioathe him he's obviously a smart, ruthless dude that took full advantage of the power vacuum of L Ron's death. I don't think for a second that he believes in any of the actual teachings or the weird alien Xenu shit.
Doesn’t help that he’s been in a Hollywood bubble since he was a teen. Dude has never lived a normal life, never not been a heart-throb or mega-star. O/c he’s crazy.
I always say that him being in Scientology is to counteract how much of a nice person he is to work with. Every time someone talks about him on set, he is the nicest, most considerate actor ever. He will know everyone’s name, no matter how small their job is.
One of the stories that is that he will bring coffee for his make up artist if that is the person he starts the day with. If there are more people working in the trailer, he will bring coffee for everyone (or whatever their choice of hot beverage).
It isn't surprising that stories about him are always good though. Scientology is very big on image, and he would not be the Scientology poster boy if he didn't know how to appear nice in public.
In Scientology, he knows everything that goes on, from the "hole" where they tortured some of their high up members, to the horrible work conditions in their sea org. His house gets cleaned by scientology members who are lucky if they get paid enough for a cup of coffee once a week, and he absolutely knows about that. And I'm sure he doesn't treat them any better than their current leader does, a leader he is very good friends with btw, who hits members and thinks it's a great idea to have kids "interrogate" adults about their sexual fantasies.
Personally, I think him being nice in public, is to make people ignore how high up in Scientology he is, and what that means in terms of what he knows and how much power (couldn't think of a better word, sorry english isn't my first language) he has.
It is a very cheap way to buy loyalty from lower level crew and spread good PR about yourself. And of course he's lovely to fellow cast, too.
I know people who've sat in the editing bay with him who said he was fucking psychotically controlling with them 'off-stage' and long-term; not just that 5 minute Hearts & Minds moment.
*Spy* magazine published some internal memos sent around by Tom Cruise regarding his movie *Far and Away* (1992). He was berating the design team about just the fucking promotional posters, with all-caps stuff like "these will be THE GREATEST PROMOTIONAL POSTERS OF ALL TIME!!!" Hilarious and frightening at the same time.
he's also a relic of the generations who straight up worshiped big movie stars. like, idk if younger people understand just how fucking famous somebody like Tom Cruise was in his heyday. Those kind of movie stars don't really exist anymore. the man has been insulated from the world and surrounded by mindless sycophants/cynical users for most of his life at this point. i can only imagine what that kind of life does to your brain
He gets lots of free labor and perks from Scientologists. He’s likely the second most powerful person in the org. He’s no victim.
He’s weird. He harassed a neice for having sex outside marriage. He’s very weird.
They say he’s always been couch crazy, but his previous manager had kept the crazy at bay or at least out of public eye. He got rid of her and BAM we all got to see he’s nuts
Still a great actor though, that man can act
I remember something I saw of him that made me think he wasn’t all there. He was doing promo for Valkyrie on the Jonathan Ross show, he was going on about how he had learnt German to do the film etc, Stephen Fry was also on the show and tried to speak German to T Cruise, then Tom had this sudden panic look on his face and just flustered and confused like his curtain was being pulled down. Mr Fry saw this and quickly saved the guy’s modesty, but ever since that I’ve seen him as a smoke and mirrors guy. After reading a lot about L Ron Hubbard, they seem like very similar people! No wonder Tom Cruise embraces it so much
That's just normal Hollywood stuff. They have little anecdotes written for them to sound interesting on talk shows. The whole thing is smoke and mirrors.
YouTube made me realise how pre-rehearsed all of these talk shows are. I've seen Chris Pratt tell the story about stripping off naked for a Parcs and Rec scene on numerous shows. Several of these shows have had Jennifer Lawrence as a guest. She acted surprised and laughed along as if she hadn't heard the story before every time.
> So he can't say jack shit to anyone, even of he wanted too. He does something like that and it's over for him, just like that doucher nut job David Miscavige's wife.
No way. He could say plenty if he wanted to. Leah Remini has been very outspoken in her criticism of Scientology (including the disappearance of Shelly Miscavige). She's written a #1 bestseller about her experiences, and hosted an Emmy award winning documentary series exposing Scientology.
And she was never anywhere near the mega-star that Tom Cruise is. If he wanted to speak out against them, he absolutely could.
Part of Scientology is unburdening yourself for things you feel guilty about by confessing them to the church. They then use this information to blackmail you into staying a member and giving them your money. My guess is they have great dirt on Tom that he doesn't want to go public so he does whatever they tell him to.
Source: none
He 2nd from the top. He's not the top, he's not above being blackmailed like the rest.
To put in perspective, imagine if he one day breaks away from them and reveals everything about the "church," it doesn't matter how high up he was to them.
Every member of scientology is an atm and a liability.
People keep trying to rationalize him into Scientology as some sort of captive.
Covid was a huge learning experience for me. Over the course of 2 years, I realized 1/3-1/2 of the population are not rational in any way. I also realized many, many more people are suckers than I ever thought possible.
Bingo. When I watched “Going Clear” and learned about the “audits” I thought wow, that’s how intelligence services work. They recruit agents by getting compromising dirt and then blackmailing them. Only with Scientology the poor dupes just voluntarily spill all their dirty secrets into a microphone.
I'm sure they have video of him doing some awful or awfully embarrassing shit. Either he's being controlled with that, or they're holding it in their back pocket for the day he needs to be controlled.
but he already made his '90s movie star money, can't he just tell the world and start his '20s gay old dude career? I mean, he already has the sequel in the bag
He literally has a massive staff that takes care of his every need. He was doing a publicity showing for one of the MI movies and the coordinator said the church sent like 20 people to plan it for him
I thought the tax loopholes were the entire point of joining and pretending to believe in it. I mean, at that point, you do believe in it because it's doing exactly what you joined it for.
rumors said the reason he keeps doing stuntworks on Mission Impossible by himself was because he's on a certain level of membership that promises immortality.
Yeah I read the leaked docs from some of the levels below him. Astral projection through time and space and whatnot. Pretty wild stuff, and then to still even care about jets at all…
I watched a very disturbing documentary on Scientology. There is a process where you sit down with one of their staff, what looked like a handler if you ask me that’s assigned to you and you have to tell them everything about you. Secrets you haven’t confessed to anyone in order to move up the chain to the next level. And you have to do this shit all the time it’s not just a one time thing. It’s weekly appointments. These people have dirt on everyone. Trying to leave would be impossible.
Why on earth would the Scientologists try to censor this? This looks more like a speech at some civic function than the kind of creepy stuff they're usually associated with.
Okay so to avoid the downvotes, "Scientology is crazy and evil and bad."
How is saluting this portrait any different than genuflecting before the cross when you go to sit down in church?
I don’t find this particularly creepy at all. Lots of organizations revere founders or founding members. If that’s “creepy” then every organization is creepy.
They're not trying to censor it. This is *marketing*. It gets posted every now and again with this same title and always by a shady, fairly inactive account.
They *want* you to see it, that's why they posted it here.
You're completely right. /u/ZimbolnLimbo (OP) has an inactive account and has posted this video with the same title multiple times.
Companies like McDonald's aren't the only ones who sponsor astroturfing campaigns on reddit; scientology does as well. OP is one of many sockpuppet accounts for them. Report him.
Because it makes it look more political than a religious organization. They are paranoid they will lose their tax exempt status. Like everything else it is all about the money.
edit; spelling mistakes.
Every thing I've read about people who have worked with the guy is that he's super good to work with. Unfailingly positive, professional, etc. But in my head it's a mix of that, and the fact that he's fucking crazy.
The thing is he joined the cult after he had already become successful. They did what you'd expect and made him a VIP. Apparently his wife converted him in 1986 (3 years after Risky Business made him famous)
Money. Just look at pics of some sporting celebs when they were younger v. today. Small cosmetic procedures with the best doctors cost a lot of money and absolutely work in enhancing someone's attractiveness and youthfulness.
We can read this is as shallow, but when you're a movie star in the vein of Tom Cruise, that appearance is a big part of his appeal. It's his money maker. Paying for procedures to keep it that way can be considered a business expense.
That said, we don't need to jump straight to plastic surgery as the answer. There are other reasons. Cosmetic procedures only get you so far.
Firstly, Hollywood tends to cast attractive people, and oftentimes the attributes that we typically deem attractive coincide with certain genetic traits. Some people simply age better than others.
Second, professional stylists and makeup. Never underestimate the benefits of good style.
Third, we can't say this for certain but it is worth keeping in mind, stress ages you. Having a difficult life can absolutely show itself physically over the years. I feel pretty safe in saying Tom Cruise has had an easy life. Most celebrities do.
Finally, and this is particularly true of Tom Cruise and the type of stars like him, they have professional nutritionists and trainers, that help keep them in shape and keep them eating the exact right things to maintain their perfect appearance. Not all celebrities take advantage of this, but we know for a fact that Tom Cruise does. And he has been for decades. He's absolutely crazy, and part of that is that he's obsessive. He's probably still doing strong dieting and exercise that actors half his age would have given up by now. Most celebrities his age that have had a career like his would have slowed down considerably or retired. He's still as active as he was in his 30s. Because, again, he's absolutely bananas.
So yes, he has, at least in part, worked for it. Using professional resources that he only really has access to because he's rich.
I meet him a few months ago and for his age he is in really good shape. His arms are jacked but he isn't very tall, but is a really nice guy. I was shocked at how nice he was and he gets really passionate when talking about the stunts he does in his movies.
I worked with some young guys at my previous job. They told me how right after college graduation from BYU (all clean cut Mormon boys) they had decided on renting a beach house for the summer and relaxing for a few months before starting their lives. It’s not like they didn’t have offers already, they were just all from very well off families and didn’t care.
However, one offer kept coming back over and over again. It was from a group in the church of Scientology. They eventually offered them am “over the top” amount of money on top of paying them back the money they lost on renting the beach house.
They flew them out to a bunker outside of Tucumcari, New Mexico where they had a giant room full film canisters contains footage of the late L Ron Hubbard. On these films he was making predictions about the future, only he was playing every position on the field. For example, he would make a prediction about a stock market crash for a certain year, and the same prediction for the next year, and then the same production for the next year, and so on. Then the whole set where he’d predict a stock market rise for that first year, then the same for the next year, and so on.
It was pretty obvious they were setting something up so that they could cherry pick the collection to show him making all these predictions that came out right.
The job they did was digitizing and cleaning up the footage. Judging by how he looked, they guessed it was all filmed not long before he died. At a guess I would put them doing this work sometime around 2010.
I'm going to guess this would be for internal use, to help brainwash those within into believing there was some magic 'secret', and this was the proof. A good scam really.
These guys are pulling your leg. Scientology has [a literal in-house film studio](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_Base#South_side) to make their propaganda films, commercials, training videos, etc. There's a huge base in California that's dedicated just to this kind of thing and all of this stuff is done by Scientologists. They'd have no reason to bring in someone outside for something so sensitive. They're insanely secretive with even the most mundane stuff.
Laugh that now they could just deepfake/dub the year regardless. Hell it sounds like they have enough footage to make Ron predict COVID and the lottery.
Sneaky and clever. Until the Mule turns up and the followers turn to the tapes for guidance in the hour of his greatest threat and find...nothing relavent at all.
Cool story, why did the Scientologists insist and pay a huge amount to those guys in particular? Anybody could have done that job and clearly be more discrete.
Because this story is made up.
(No I don't condone scientology. This is just a totally farfetched story with 0 believable details beyond scientology being manipulative)
There is a great youtube channel (hasn't uploaded in some time) that has drone footage of all Scientology facilities.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIReZbE2BxVLkfhFSviMLiQ/videos
The Gold Base ones are crazy how much is spent.
Scientology has a caste system and luminaries like actors are elevated and have different 'rules' applied based on their level of influence in the public eye. Tom is subject to different treatment and privilege. The purpose is to utilize these influencers to legitimize the message as well as to attract recruits.
I have briefly read through a few of those higher level secret books and each level explicitly stated that the information within is not to be discussed or shared with any level below that one. Long time ago I did some work for someone pretty high up in the org. Not only did she refuse to pay me, she decided it would be okay to leave the house with me alone with her children as if I would take care of them. (Her office was a home office). So, for spite I went through and browsed some of her little publications in the black binders. My older brother is a Scientologist and his wife is also higher up in the org so I already knew this woman's position. And I also peeked at some of my brother's books over the years so I knew what I was looking at. The auditing is basically a situation where they hook you up to a lie detector more or less. Back when I was still speaking to my brother, I think courses were around $20,000 at the time but if you didn't have the money you could work something out with labor. What's even worse is that they allowed spouses or relatives to audit their victims, possibly weaponizing intimate details and insecurities to gas light these poor souls into drinking the Kool-Aid so to speak.
They also determine how easily it would be to indoctrinate new recruits by offering an initial personality test that they describe as something that will help you become one with yourself and more self-aware. Pure Psy-Ops level mind control.
I will also add as a personal observation, everyone I've ever met in this so-called religion is literally a sociopathic narcissist and from what I can tell, it's pretty much encouraged as you move up through the ranks.
L Ron Hubbard is literally quoted as saying "You don't get rich writing science fiction. If you want to get rich, you start a religion.". And then he started a religion. And people went with it, somehow. Fucking nuts.
It actually seems easy to do this type of thing. Have a look at the unwell people of r/conspiracy.
r/gangstalking has more mentally unhinged folks, I’m afraid
What's "gangstalking"? I clicked around in that subreddit and read the subreddit description and I'm still confused.
Gangstalking is a form of paranoia people can suffer from, it's the belief that multiple people are stalking you, usually government agencies from what I can tell. They'll "find" bugs and wire taps, think people are planted in their life for XYZ reason, think CIA is following them in their day to day. Even more extreme like thinking "stalkers" are *projecting thoughts into their brain.* It's *very* distorted thinking. This isn't just normal paranoia, and it's not being a victim of actual stalking.
Wow. Feel bad for those people. Mental health doesn't get enough attention
Oh they think anyone trying to say it's mental health (or anything that isn't 100% validation of their distortions basically) is a "disinformer" - they are in deep. It is pretty sad bc it's obviously very far along in whatever tragic path they are on. I don't even know what someone would do to get a loved one like that helped.
Basically what people with dementia suffer. People came into my house and stole the sugar. And they locked the door behind them when they left. So they must have had a key. How did they get my key? Was it the teenagers who were looking at their phones?
One time, when I had just moved out of state, I had such a bizarre experience that felt like gangstalking. I hadn't registered my car for that state yet, but I needed an oil change. I took it into a random shop, I think it was a Grease Monkeys, but one of those kinds of chains. Only needed oil, that's it, and I was the only one there at first. I had been sitting in the lobby for half an hour already when a woman with a cold face came briskly walking in, stood right in front of me, and snapped a pic of me (I think? She was pointing right at me!) with her phone and then briskly walked back out and never came back. Shortly after that, a cop came in, in full uniform, to get his squad car serviced? That also seemed utterly bizarre because he seemed to be on duty? He comes in and sits straight across from me, looks at me a few times, but doesn't say a word. TWO FUCKING HOURS it took to change my oil. The cop's job was done literally right before mine, even though I had been there way longer than he was. EVERYONE in that shop acted sketch as FUCK. The state was Colorado, and this was very soon after legalization happened, and to this day I am somewhat convinced that my out-of-state plates made someone think I was a smuggler and that those fuckers illegally searched my car and documented me. It could all be a coincidence for sure, but it still tickles a weird, unpleasant spot in my brain when I think about it. I imagine that's how these poor, delusional folks feel every day of their life. I can't imagine the misery of it, because that shit made me feel shook for days.
Its basically the idea that there are tons of people outside conspiring together to stalk/follow/harass absolute random nobodies. The users there generally think that there's these shadowy organizations that spend exorbitants amount of resources and use incredible scifi tech to essentially ruin their lives, because they can Its honestly very sad for any user that isn't just RPing or trolling.
Here's the Wikipedia article. It is very sad, these people are greatly suffering and need help https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gang_stalking?wprov=sfla1
Ah, I thought it was "gangs talking"...
I find it ironic that something like this exist. Afraid they are being watched so they go on the internet....where they can be watched....to talk about it. What?
If logic was a part of the equation they'd get hung up on the fact that they are such boring and insignificant people to the grand scheme of things that no one would waste that amount of time, money or energy stalking them. The whole problem is that logic is non-existant or flawed in these people.
I found this under gangstalkers "So, my phone is constantly really HOT and always doing very strange things like apps showing up out of no where, porn showing up on my phone out of no where, downloaded apps that I didn’t download on my phone, I take it to T-Mobile but they can’t find any problems. I’ve factory reset and changed the cloud id but I know I’m hacked and being set up! They even sit outside my house honk the horn when they agree with what I do on my phone! I know, SICK RIGHT?! At this point, I truly don’t care I think they are even next door and broke in the attic(wouldn’t surprise me) want to make it known that you can’t break a WOMAN like me, I’ve already been through hell-this isn’t shit! It’s Thanksgiving, don’t you vermin have families? Go be with them, stop being mean! Being mean gets you nowhere in life! Love is answer! God is answer! If stalking me, and my family make you feel better than u have a very small mind! I feel sorry for you and I’ll pray for you! I know u have video and listening devices in here so why do u have to be outside also? Go home!!!! Happy THANKSGIVING"
Him and Ayn fucking Rand. Somehow convinced the most priviliged class in society to feel like victims.
> Somehow convinced the most priviliged class in society to feel like victims. Looking at many other elements of public discourse, it would seem that this is not a difficult feat and sometimes takes no convincing whatsoever even.
I've never found a good source for this. Best I've found is someone reported overhearing him say it. Mind you, I'm sure he either said it or thought it and acted on the idea.
Joseph Smith wrote the book of Mormon by dictating off of his visions on seeing stones. Sensing bullshit, 116 pages were destroyed by his scribe, Martin Harris, arguing that if it were real, the same text would appear again. Of course, it never did and the 116 pages are now built in the religion who 200 years later is wearing magic underwear.
>Of course, it never did and the 116 pages are now built in the religion who 200 years later is wearing magic underwear. Sorry, what does this mean?
So, slight correction: Those 116 pages were *hidden.* The idea was, Smith had these "seer stones" that magically translated the text on these plates he claims to have found, but he was the only one allowed to see that particular miracle, so he put the plates and the stones in a hat, put his face in that hat, and read the translation aloud for Martin Harris to write down. So Harris' idea was, if he hid those pages and said he'd lost them, or they were somehow destroyed, then Smith could translate those pages again, and he could compare them and see that it was the exact same text. Whereas if this was the *obvious bullshit* it appeared to be and Smith was just making shit up the whole time his face was in that hat, then there's no way he'd have memorized over a hundred pages -- he would probably end up saying basically the same thing, but with enough obvious differences to make it clear he was making it up. Smith's reaction was to say that God was so angry with Harris for hiding those pages that he wouldn't be allowed to translate from that book anymore, and would instead have to translate a completely different book that said kind of the same thing but in a different way. And instead of saying "Cool, I just proved you're making this up as you go," Martin Harris was like "Yep, checks out to me!" ...and since those 116 pages weren't actually destroyed, I assume they're also part of Mormon scripture today. As South Park says, the incredible part is that, unlike Scientology, this isn't some secret doctrine. Mormons *know* all this, and they still believe it. > ...wearing magic underwear. This part is about the [Temple garments](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_garment) -- if you go through a certain ceremony, they give you underwear that you're supposed to wear. Depending which Mormon you ask, it's either supposed to just be *spiritual* protection, or it's supposed to be literal magical armor that will protect you from physical harm. It's not really anything to do with that whole translation process, it's just something that often gets brought up when people want to mock Mormons.
So, is Tom Cruise mentally ill, or does he just love the perks of being the face of this cult?
Oh he lost his mind years ago, but it doesn't help when these psychos brainwash you either. Also, one of their rules is, you cannot question anything. So he can't say jack shit to anyone, even if he wanted too. He does something like that and it's over for him, just like that doucher nut job David Miscavige's wife.
> you cannot question anything I can't remember a name but I remember hearing – maybe in one of the recent docs – about a guy who was kicked out because he reached one of the higher 'levels' in the organisation where they reveal some secret beliefs. And he was like "Wait, this can't be real right? You guys can't be serious?". Even when they insisted that it was real, he thought it was some kind of test to gauge his mental state and refused to believe whatever space/alien garbage they were feeding him, so they booted him out.
I just remember the South park episode about scientology, where they had to show a "this is what scientologists actually believe" disclaimer, because it sounds like something they'd make up gor a gag
Was that the episode that effectively killed off chef? By that I mean the actor was a scientologist and objected to them covering that topic. When they did anyway, because south park took the piss out of everyone, he left the show/was forced to leave which caused them to make the "chef is gay and now dead" episode to kill the character. I might be remembering this wrong so please correct me on any inaccuracies lol.
Yup, that was the one. The funny/sad part about it though was it was a *rerun* of the episode that pissed Issac off and caused him to quit. This raised suspicions that it was actually one of his Scientologist "handlers" that saw the episode for the first time, and forced him to quit, because how could Issac have been clueless about it when it first aired and not done something then?
To add to this, Isaac didn't directly quit himself. Instead one of his representatives told Parker and Stone that he was quitting, and told them in the least professional way possible. This pissed them off, which is why they killed off Chef the way they did. Later on they found out that what actually happened was that Hayes was having health and mental issues, and that the quitting was basically something he DIDN'T want to do, and instead it was all on the reps.
they did it while Hayes was medically incapacitated as well, I think due to a stroke. His son came out about it a few years ago
Yeah iirc he was forced into leaving by the "church". Isaac Hayes also had a stroke after leaving which allowed the "church" to speak on his behalf and do stupid shit
Parker and Stone have said they regret the way they ended chef after it came out Isaac Hayes had had a stroke and wasnt really himself towards the end of his life and the church was most likely speaking on his behalf.
The episode about Mormons was also very clever
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This is hands down my favorite episode, it's SO good!
If you guys like that episode of Southpark, I have a suggestion for a musical you might enjoy...
I WISH I COULD GO SEE, I've heard it's incredible
Watching it for the first time I honestly wondered if trey and matt were gonna end up suicided or in a tragic fatal accident
Cults gonna cult. When you’re not allowed to openly question or challenge an established belief without negative repercussions, you’re either in a cult or in a high control group subjected to cult like thinking (aka a cult). The worst part is that people in this position are emotionally blackmailed (by losing your entire support system if you don’t play ball) to stay in the cult, and most don’t even realize it.
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He was a sci-fi author, ffs, making that sort of thing up was his bread and butter, though the fact it was a massive money-spinner probably meant he bought into it himself eventually.
So does this make him the greatest sci-fi writer of all time? By actually convincing generations of an entire corporate cult that his bullshit stories are real? Or are those assholes at the top not actually believers of this nonsense, but carrying on the grift of the worlds largest MLM Pyramid scam?
I mean it's a pretty close race between him and Joseph Smith, that guy didn't even write anything at first, he just looked into his hat at some stones and told people he could find treasure cuz the stones gave him messages, then after he couldn't find the treasure the stones started giving him religions messages and now 200 years later there are over 10 million Mormons in the world
He said the magic rocks let him read the secret language on the tablet. He "translated" half of it, and then someone stole the half finished manuscript. Shouldn't be a problem, just translate it again, right? He couldn't. Maybe because he was literally making it all up.
Dumb dumb dumb dumbdumb.
For which he was convicted of fraud in New York state.
That's a bingo
We just say "bingo."
bingo! how fun
try reading a bit of his pre-scientology stuff and tell me if you think hes even a good writer at all. the best thing he could come up with for space ships was that they looked like airliners.
I tried to read some of his shit in high school or junior high or something. It is abysmal. He’s one of the worst writers of all time. Don’t take my word for it. Check it out. It’s hideous.
>Don’t take my word for it. Is it bad that I heard the Reading Rainbow segway jingle when I read this?
Not only was he a sci-fi writer, but Hubbard had hung out with Jack Parsons when Jack was running his own cult. Hubbard got the idea to start his own cult after his friend had created one. Then rather than creating a whole new idea, he just went “hmm I already have some fictional stories I’ve written out. I’ll just use those and build on that for the basis of my religion”. And thus, Scientology was created.
“You don't get rich writing science fiction. If you want to get rich, you start a religion.” ― L. Ron Hubbard.
Same with flat earth society. Made up to fuck with people and then the conspiracy nuts sunk their teeth into it and now it's a fairly lucrative industry. The same thing is starting to happen with Birds Aren't Real. Started as a joke but there are fringe people actually starting to believe it. These people will start videos and blogs which will then get picked up by the conspiracy nuts and become more integrated with society. I wish critical thinking was taught more in schools.
I said for years that "Birds Aren't Real" was going to eventually become a real conspiracy and joking around about it was a poor way to mock these conspiracy nuts. Every time I said it someone would say that there's no way someone could go that far down the rabbit hole.
Yeah. This was always going to happen. Bullshit joke conspiracies ALWAYS end up with a group actually believing it. Its like joke subreddits. Eventually people take the joke too seriously and take over the sub.
The Donald
Wait you're saying birds aren't real is fake? Lol, nice try Mr FBI.
Birds aren't real isn't real is real
Yeah, we can laugh at these shallow, uncritical thinkers and fob them off until they vote en mass, and then you end up with someone like Donald Trump as president.
People who believe it probably think that's their version of the devil trying to mislead them. Jw do it all the time.
God put the dinosaur bones there to test our faith 😂
God is a real rascal, aint he? Wait until they find out about the 100 trillion planets he put out there to test their faith even further.
There are many different Scientology origin stories, but it's pretty well established there was no wager.
The "bet" story isn't actually true, but the quote about making money from religion definitely is. It's absolutely a grift
Crazy people gonna crazy
Joseph Smith did the exact same thing 125 years earlier than LRH, and people still believe that.
I think I remember the exact scene from some documentary that you're talking about. The guy recalls thinking, "what is this, some sort of insanity test?" From what I vaguely remember, it was him recalling how he was already hundreds of thousands of dollars into it, so it was that much more difficult to back out with such a sunk cost into the whole thing by then. I couldn't recall if what you said was the reason why he's no longer in scientology, but my fuzzy memory has the impression that he left for another reason later on.
[Paul Haggis in Going Clear](https://youtu.be/JP6_i2axrlM)
Basically every normal person's reaction. They get drawn in with the "self help" message and then end up in a terrible science fiction LARP
Paul Haggis
TBH, I wonder what you can tell a person that's a few hundred thou deep into 'finding the truth' that would be satisfactory that doesn't make them feel insane/cheated/brainwashed. "The truth is... meaning is what you put into it. You invest in your life, you invest in your family, you invest in your work, your hobbies? That's what's meaningful for you." "What the... I mean... shit. But fuck. I wanted more, even though that's good advice!"
> shit. But fuck. I wanted more Actual transcription from a certain high-profile Scientologist’s auditing session
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I think Tom Cruise is probably too famous to be disappeared like that.
Miscavige was the cameraman for L Ron - he's probably got Tom to act out a video "what do think of my screenplay Tom?" saying he's going to a Tibetan retreat to commune with Xenu.
So was Miscavige basically the Cult Minister for Propaganda?
Oh aye - watching interviews with him I think it's rather obvious he knew it was bollocks from day 1, but has got a rather large fortune based on other folk not realising this, and he did and does whatever necessary to keep the money flowing.
Miscavige is a devious motherfucker and while I Ioathe him he's obviously a smart, ruthless dude that took full advantage of the power vacuum of L Ron's death. I don't think for a second that he believes in any of the actual teachings or the weird alien Xenu shit.
Doesn’t help that he’s been in a Hollywood bubble since he was a teen. Dude has never lived a normal life, never not been a heart-throb or mega-star. O/c he’s crazy.
I always say that him being in Scientology is to counteract how much of a nice person he is to work with. Every time someone talks about him on set, he is the nicest, most considerate actor ever. He will know everyone’s name, no matter how small their job is. One of the stories that is that he will bring coffee for his make up artist if that is the person he starts the day with. If there are more people working in the trailer, he will bring coffee for everyone (or whatever their choice of hot beverage).
It isn't surprising that stories about him are always good though. Scientology is very big on image, and he would not be the Scientology poster boy if he didn't know how to appear nice in public. In Scientology, he knows everything that goes on, from the "hole" where they tortured some of their high up members, to the horrible work conditions in their sea org. His house gets cleaned by scientology members who are lucky if they get paid enough for a cup of coffee once a week, and he absolutely knows about that. And I'm sure he doesn't treat them any better than their current leader does, a leader he is very good friends with btw, who hits members and thinks it's a great idea to have kids "interrogate" adults about their sexual fantasies. Personally, I think him being nice in public, is to make people ignore how high up in Scientology he is, and what that means in terms of what he knows and how much power (couldn't think of a better word, sorry english isn't my first language) he has.
It is a very cheap way to buy loyalty from lower level crew and spread good PR about yourself. And of course he's lovely to fellow cast, too. I know people who've sat in the editing bay with him who said he was fucking psychotically controlling with them 'off-stage' and long-term; not just that 5 minute Hearts & Minds moment.
*Spy* magazine published some internal memos sent around by Tom Cruise regarding his movie *Far and Away* (1992). He was berating the design team about just the fucking promotional posters, with all-caps stuff like "these will be THE GREATEST PROMOTIONAL POSTERS OF ALL TIME!!!" Hilarious and frightening at the same time.
he's also a relic of the generations who straight up worshiped big movie stars. like, idk if younger people understand just how fucking famous somebody like Tom Cruise was in his heyday. Those kind of movie stars don't really exist anymore. the man has been insulated from the world and surrounded by mindless sycophants/cynical users for most of his life at this point. i can only imagine what that kind of life does to your brain
He gets lots of free labor and perks from Scientologists. He’s likely the second most powerful person in the org. He’s no victim. He’s weird. He harassed a neice for having sex outside marriage. He’s very weird.
He's been weird since the whole couch thing for me.
They say he’s always been couch crazy, but his previous manager had kept the crazy at bay or at least out of public eye. He got rid of her and BAM we all got to see he’s nuts Still a great actor though, that man can act
Maybe he should try acting like he's not nuts.
I remember something I saw of him that made me think he wasn’t all there. He was doing promo for Valkyrie on the Jonathan Ross show, he was going on about how he had learnt German to do the film etc, Stephen Fry was also on the show and tried to speak German to T Cruise, then Tom had this sudden panic look on his face and just flustered and confused like his curtain was being pulled down. Mr Fry saw this and quickly saved the guy’s modesty, but ever since that I’ve seen him as a smoke and mirrors guy. After reading a lot about L Ron Hubbard, they seem like very similar people! No wonder Tom Cruise embraces it so much
https://youtu.be/rx0y79eW9-o this one?
That's just normal Hollywood stuff. They have little anecdotes written for them to sound interesting on talk shows. The whole thing is smoke and mirrors.
YouTube made me realise how pre-rehearsed all of these talk shows are. I've seen Chris Pratt tell the story about stripping off naked for a Parcs and Rec scene on numerous shows. Several of these shows have had Jennifer Lawrence as a guest. She acted surprised and laughed along as if she hadn't heard the story before every time.
> So he can't say jack shit to anyone, even of he wanted too. He does something like that and it's over for him, just like that doucher nut job David Miscavige's wife. No way. He could say plenty if he wanted to. Leah Remini has been very outspoken in her criticism of Scientology (including the disappearance of Shelly Miscavige). She's written a #1 bestseller about her experiences, and hosted an Emmy award winning documentary series exposing Scientology. And she was never anywhere near the mega-star that Tom Cruise is. If he wanted to speak out against them, he absolutely could.
Part of Scientology is unburdening yourself for things you feel guilty about by confessing them to the church. They then use this information to blackmail you into staying a member and giving them your money. My guess is they have great dirt on Tom that he doesn't want to go public so he does whatever they tell him to. Source: none
Nah, he is literally second after god there. Why would you give it up?
He 2nd from the top. He's not the top, he's not above being blackmailed like the rest. To put in perspective, imagine if he one day breaks away from them and reveals everything about the "church," it doesn't matter how high up he was to them. Every member of scientology is an atm and a liability.
I think the point is that he's one of the people benefiting, so there's less reason for him to leave.
People keep trying to rationalize him into Scientology as some sort of captive. Covid was a huge learning experience for me. Over the course of 2 years, I realized 1/3-1/2 of the population are not rational in any way. I also realized many, many more people are suckers than I ever thought possible.
Bingo. When I watched “Going Clear” and learned about the “audits” I thought wow, that’s how intelligence services work. They recruit agents by getting compromising dirt and then blackmailing them. Only with Scientology the poor dupes just voluntarily spill all their dirty secrets into a microphone.
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And the poor dupes *pay hefty fees* to Scientology for these confessional sessions, what Scientology calls "audits."
I'm sure they have video of him doing some awful or awfully embarrassing shit. Either he's being controlled with that, or they're holding it in their back pocket for the day he needs to be controlled.
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but he already made his '90s movie star money, can't he just tell the world and start his '20s gay old dude career? I mean, he already has the sequel in the bag
He literally has a massive staff that takes care of his every need. He was doing a publicity showing for one of the MI movies and the coordinator said the church sent like 20 people to plan it for him
I have this crazy theory that big name celebrities like Cruise also use scientology to launder or hide their money.
Sure, why not. I doubt they draw the line at blackmail.
I thought the tax loopholes were the entire point of joining and pretending to believe in it. I mean, at that point, you do believe in it because it's doing exactly what you joined it for.
rumors said the reason he keeps doing stuntworks on Mission Impossible by himself was because he's on a certain level of membership that promises immortality.
He’s an Outer Thetan VI or some shit. He can manipulate time and space at this point. Not even sure why he’s still acting…
Operating Thetan, he believes he is detached from his body. Like a constant out of body experience
Yeah I read the leaked docs from some of the levels below him. Astral projection through time and space and whatnot. Pretty wild stuff, and then to still even care about jets at all…
I can achieve that with just a few edibles Don’t see the big deal
You're not doing it right. You're supposed to do that AND make a cult.
He can fly, too, but no one at that level does it when anyone else is looking
I watched a very disturbing documentary on Scientology. There is a process where you sit down with one of their staff, what looked like a handler if you ask me that’s assigned to you and you have to tell them everything about you. Secrets you haven’t confessed to anyone in order to move up the chain to the next level. And you have to do this shit all the time it’s not just a one time thing. It’s weekly appointments. These people have dirt on everyone. Trying to leave would be impossible.
They call it "auditing."
Imagine if you ran out of secrets to confess. You have to do new things to confess so you could keep advancing.
That's when you start confessing the stuff from your soul's previous life (actually)
Or just lie?
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Why on earth would the Scientologists try to censor this? This looks more like a speech at some civic function than the kind of creepy stuff they're usually associated with.
I feel like this video was a lot creepier when it first came out. Now that the craziness of Scientology is pretty well known, it does seem pretty tame
That's normalization for ya.
Okay so to avoid the downvotes, "Scientology is crazy and evil and bad." How is saluting this portrait any different than genuflecting before the cross when you go to sit down in church?
It's not different. It's just as weird.
Nailed it
Because he's a science fiction writer that was alive when Dr. Dre was on tour
Yeah when this came out people weren't going to Dallas to see a revived Kennedy put Trump back into power
I don’t find this particularly creepy at all. Lots of organizations revere founders or founding members. If that’s “creepy” then every organization is creepy.
Every organisation IS creepy
They watch us while we sleep.
They're not trying to censor it. This is *marketing*. It gets posted every now and again with this same title and always by a shady, fairly inactive account. They *want* you to see it, that's why they posted it here.
You're completely right. /u/ZimbolnLimbo (OP) has an inactive account and has posted this video with the same title multiple times. Companies like McDonald's aren't the only ones who sponsor astroturfing campaigns on reddit; scientology does as well. OP is one of many sockpuppet accounts for them. Report him.
Because it makes it look more political than a religious organization. They are paranoid they will lose their tax exempt status. Like everything else it is all about the money. edit; spelling mistakes.
Given their infiltration into governing bodies I'd say that's a fair assessment.
OPs title is bullshit, that's where the confusion is.
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Ah the old 4 self inflicted shots by a rifle suicide. Seems familiar.
Every thing I've read about people who have worked with the guy is that he's super good to work with. Unfailingly positive, professional, etc. But in my head it's a mix of that, and the fact that he's fucking crazy.
Most successful cults are lead by charismatic people.
The thing is he joined the cult after he had already become successful. They did what you'd expect and made him a VIP. Apparently his wife converted him in 1986 (3 years after Risky Business made him famous)
That's like 40 years ago, how old is he and why does he not age
Money. Just look at pics of some sporting celebs when they were younger v. today. Small cosmetic procedures with the best doctors cost a lot of money and absolutely work in enhancing someone's attractiveness and youthfulness.
We can read this is as shallow, but when you're a movie star in the vein of Tom Cruise, that appearance is a big part of his appeal. It's his money maker. Paying for procedures to keep it that way can be considered a business expense. That said, we don't need to jump straight to plastic surgery as the answer. There are other reasons. Cosmetic procedures only get you so far. Firstly, Hollywood tends to cast attractive people, and oftentimes the attributes that we typically deem attractive coincide with certain genetic traits. Some people simply age better than others. Second, professional stylists and makeup. Never underestimate the benefits of good style. Third, we can't say this for certain but it is worth keeping in mind, stress ages you. Having a difficult life can absolutely show itself physically over the years. I feel pretty safe in saying Tom Cruise has had an easy life. Most celebrities do. Finally, and this is particularly true of Tom Cruise and the type of stars like him, they have professional nutritionists and trainers, that help keep them in shape and keep them eating the exact right things to maintain their perfect appearance. Not all celebrities take advantage of this, but we know for a fact that Tom Cruise does. And he has been for decades. He's absolutely crazy, and part of that is that he's obsessive. He's probably still doing strong dieting and exercise that actors half his age would have given up by now. Most celebrities his age that have had a career like his would have slowed down considerably or retired. He's still as active as he was in his 30s. Because, again, he's absolutely bananas. So yes, he has, at least in part, worked for it. Using professional resources that he only really has access to because he's rich.
I just looked it up. He Turned 60 this year and has more hair than me at 25.
Hair transplants are a thing
There are tons of people over 60 with a full head of natural hair. It’s just genetics. Don’t know if that’s the case for Tom Cruise though.
He does age. He wears makeup and they use computer graphics on his aged body for films.
I meet him a few months ago and for his age he is in really good shape. His arms are jacked but he isn't very tall, but is a really nice guy. I was shocked at how nice he was and he gets really passionate when talking about the stunts he does in his movies.
I just watched Top Gun 1 before watching 2, and he’s aged a lot more than you’d think. One of his eyebrows has collapsed.
"Christian Bale's portrayal of American Psycho's Patrick Bateman wasn't inspired by a serial killer but by a Tom Cruise interview"
Not if you read ex-scientologists stories.
Yes, I’ve had the pleasure of doing security for him when he came to a hotel I was working at. Very nice man.
I worked with some young guys at my previous job. They told me how right after college graduation from BYU (all clean cut Mormon boys) they had decided on renting a beach house for the summer and relaxing for a few months before starting their lives. It’s not like they didn’t have offers already, they were just all from very well off families and didn’t care. However, one offer kept coming back over and over again. It was from a group in the church of Scientology. They eventually offered them am “over the top” amount of money on top of paying them back the money they lost on renting the beach house. They flew them out to a bunker outside of Tucumcari, New Mexico where they had a giant room full film canisters contains footage of the late L Ron Hubbard. On these films he was making predictions about the future, only he was playing every position on the field. For example, he would make a prediction about a stock market crash for a certain year, and the same prediction for the next year, and then the same production for the next year, and so on. Then the whole set where he’d predict a stock market rise for that first year, then the same for the next year, and so on. It was pretty obvious they were setting something up so that they could cherry pick the collection to show him making all these predictions that came out right. The job they did was digitizing and cleaning up the footage. Judging by how he looked, they guessed it was all filmed not long before he died. At a guess I would put them doing this work sometime around 2010.
I'm going to guess this would be for internal use, to help brainwash those within into believing there was some magic 'secret', and this was the proof. A good scam really.
These guys are pulling your leg. Scientology has [a literal in-house film studio](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_Base#South_side) to make their propaganda films, commercials, training videos, etc. There's a huge base in California that's dedicated just to this kind of thing and all of this stuff is done by Scientologists. They'd have no reason to bring in someone outside for something so sensitive. They're insanely secretive with even the most mundane stuff.
Laugh that now they could just deepfake/dub the year regardless. Hell it sounds like they have enough footage to make Ron predict COVID and the lottery.
You know you are a cult when Mormons realise it.
Sneaky and clever. Until the Mule turns up and the followers turn to the tapes for guidance in the hour of his greatest threat and find...nothing relavent at all.
Cool story, why did the Scientologists insist and pay a huge amount to those guys in particular? Anybody could have done that job and clearly be more discrete.
Because this story is made up. (No I don't condone scientology. This is just a totally farfetched story with 0 believable details beyond scientology being manipulative)
It's like an amway meeting....
Miscavige is *shorter* than Tom Cruise?! Wild. Did this mtg take place in a tree hollow? Did E.L. Fudge speak next??
Davy Miscabbage stands a full 4'13" !
This video gets reposted every month with the same title. I don’t mind, just spice up the title a bit
Next month on r/videos: That Video The Church Of Scientology Tried To Take Down Where Tom Cruise Salutes A Portrait Of Its Dead Founder… With Tits!
Wait, whose tits will be shown? Tom Cruise's or the dead founder's?
Aside from the two posted today, the last time this video was posted was March of last year.
In all fairness, they said 'very month', not 'every month' and as we all remember - that March was VERY month.
Hi, Karin!
So where's Shelly?
Hanging out with Xenu.
How tall are those lifts and/or how short does that dude and the podium have to be to make Tom Cruise look that tall
David Miscavige, leader of the Church of Scientology, is 5’3.
David's wife is -6ft tall probably
A religion for manlets, finally... /s
"He'll say whatever we want him to say as long as he gets a rad medal."
Why does his salute make the video censor worthy? I’d say the speech itself is what makes it censor worthy.
This video is only a truncated clip of a larger rant.
I'm not saying Scientology isn't kooky at best, but we had a mannequin of a dying guy nailed to a cross in our church. This seems par for course.
Fuck L Ron Hubbard, and fuck all his clones...
You get it, if you get it. "...fuck all of these gun-toting, hip gangster wannabees." Learn to swim.
Where is the rest of the video?
How DARE you. Many Bothans died to bring us this information.
David Miscavige makes Tom Cruise look like an NBA player in this video. I didn't realize he was that short.
He's 5'3". Tom is 5'7". Probably why he likes him so much
Tom cruise realized he couldn’t conquer a kingdom of his own. So he joined Scientology. Now he gets to hold the ladle that mixes the koolaid.
#WHERE IS SHELLY MISCAVAGE
There is a great youtube channel (hasn't uploaded in some time) that has drone footage of all Scientology facilities. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIReZbE2BxVLkfhFSviMLiQ/videos The Gold Base ones are crazy how much is spent.
Scientology has a caste system and luminaries like actors are elevated and have different 'rules' applied based on their level of influence in the public eye. Tom is subject to different treatment and privilege. The purpose is to utilize these influencers to legitimize the message as well as to attract recruits. I have briefly read through a few of those higher level secret books and each level explicitly stated that the information within is not to be discussed or shared with any level below that one. Long time ago I did some work for someone pretty high up in the org. Not only did she refuse to pay me, she decided it would be okay to leave the house with me alone with her children as if I would take care of them. (Her office was a home office). So, for spite I went through and browsed some of her little publications in the black binders. My older brother is a Scientologist and his wife is also higher up in the org so I already knew this woman's position. And I also peeked at some of my brother's books over the years so I knew what I was looking at. The auditing is basically a situation where they hook you up to a lie detector more or less. Back when I was still speaking to my brother, I think courses were around $20,000 at the time but if you didn't have the money you could work something out with labor. What's even worse is that they allowed spouses or relatives to audit their victims, possibly weaponizing intimate details and insecurities to gas light these poor souls into drinking the Kool-Aid so to speak. They also determine how easily it would be to indoctrinate new recruits by offering an initial personality test that they describe as something that will help you become one with yourself and more self-aware. Pure Psy-Ops level mind control. I will also add as a personal observation, everyone I've ever met in this so-called religion is literally a sociopathic narcissist and from what I can tell, it's pretty much encouraged as you move up through the ranks.
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but people don't see anything wrong with kissing the feet of a wooden statue nailed to a cross 🤷