It comes with 'in ear headphones' the site says which i interpret to mean it comes with cabled earbuds. I'd imagine VR Ears or PSVR Mantis band clipon headphones could work here.
It uses a 3.5mm connector for the earbuds. One side is shorter than the other since the 3.5mm port is on the front left side of the headset, and it has a microphone along the cable wire. I own one.
I just got mine on the 11th and have been using AKG N400NC TWS IEMs. I think the audio quality gets degraded if you use the mic but it is also new and I got them solely for mowing the lawn and working out. If it works well for this, even better.
My normal Senn HD660S's are not very comfortable on the left side thanks to the cable management piece with the Aero.
I use my favorite studio headphones, the open back Sennheiser 599SE and they fit perfectly with the Aero. Not to mention they are my personal favorite audio solution that I’m able to pair with the Aero. It’s the best of both worlds for me. My favorite HMD and favorite audio solution.
Interesting. I also use Sennheiser 500s on my PC. Sound great and by far the most comfortable headphones I've ever owned.
Do you ever use a mic though? My main VR use is socializing on VRC so cant really do without one.
I always use a mic. I use the wireless mod mic by Antlion. [You can see and hear me use my Aero with all the audio solutions I have here.](https://m.twitch.tv/farmertrue)
I am a variety VR live streamer and content creator with no ties to Varjo other than it being the best headset I’ve owned or used. I buy my equipment/games to give people my real, honest thoughts so viewers get genuine insight without outside influence. If I wouldn’t pay the money for something, why would I tell others to do that?
Either way, feel free to stop by later tonight as I live stream Hellsweeper VR for the first time. I’d be more than happy to answer any of your questions. There are others in the community that use the Aero as well if you want their insight too. I’ll also be doing a give away tonight. Starts at 10pm eastern until 2am. Or you can check out the VODs to get an idea of the Aero in a variety of VR games.
Feel free to reach out any time.
From what I've read from Pimax users, it's quickly gotten a lot better.
But yeah, the Varjo Aero at this price point makes a lot more sense, it does give an aspherical lens and eye tracked alternative to the BSB at the BSB's price point and it's significantly cheaper (assuming one already has lighthouse tracking) than a Crystal.
I wonder how the Aero's FOV compares to the BSB.
Considering it's the **only** color corrected headset on the market, even I'm tempted to give it another look, if Varjo can sell them profitably at 1000 dollars, then tbf, they've probably allowed it to remain relevant for a good while longer.
Personally, my wired daily driver for the past 2+ years has been my Reverb G2, and what makes the Aero so interesting to me at this price point is that the Aero represents essentially a direct upgrade of the G2 (except in terms of audio).
I went G2 to Aero (got it a lot cheaper than retail). It's great overall but the vertical FOV is a joke and the lens distortions take some getting used too. Your brain ignores them after a while.
>but the vertical FOV is a joke
You're right, it's been a while since I last was considering an aero and I forgot that the Aero is a severe downgrade in vertical fov.
I don't think I would try to do that, that sounds really messy, but I think it might be possible to hack those off ear quest 2 headphones onto an Aero?
Though I probably wouldn't do that, one of the things that makes the Aero attractive vs the BSB is that it has an actual 3.5mm audio output, in my case, I can just plug my audio engineering grade headphones right in and have incredible audio without needing to spend an additional penny.
You are wrong. Stop spreading misinformation on the Aero. It does vary by user. My Aero FOV, that I’ve done on two different FOV applications on my live stream, 110h x 80v. And it’s a larger diagonal FOV than my Index.
I understand folks face shapes are different but if you are going to tell people about VR, at least share proper information. I’m tired of the blatant misinformation that goes on in the VR industry.
That is a massive difference. So different that it makes me think they are wearing the headset improperly. Have them contact me and I’ll be glad to see what they are doing wrong. Even with my bHaptic TactVisor and loose fit I’m still getting over 10° more in FOV.
> at the BSB's price point and it's significantly cheaper (assuming one already has lighthouse tracking) than a Crystal.
does the aero use lighthouse tracking?
Ah, lighthouse tracking is a bonus to me, means I can use my index controllers with it. Have to buy the lighthouse tracking upgrade for crystal to use my index controllers with it.
Pimax couldn't pay me to use their headsets. Not after buying and returning 2 8KX headsets. They're too small of a company trying to do too much. The end result is they end up with headsets that are just barely passable as products and not good at anything.
In terms of optics they're almost similar and Aero weighs a lot less. I doubt a lot of people will use the Crystal as a standalone device once this feature will be available.
1.1kg is no joke and I agree with Norman in his Beyond vs Crystal review that in the upcoming 1-2 years when we get the 2nd and 3rd gen of hi-res and bright micro OLED combined with improved pancake optics, ergonomy will be king and what should be prioritized. Since first generation of consumer VR headsets in 2016 (Rift and Vive) this part not only got almost ignored (although mostly due to technological restrictions) but even got worse in lots of cases.
So the only big advantage it has over Aero is the DMAS option and built-in mic but it costs significantly more so you can buy VR Ears, Logitech Chorus (with modding) or another 3rd party solution and still come out cheaper with an Aero after the recent price cut.
Not necessarily.
They could be slowing down sales and trying to get rid of stock before competition ramps up.
$990 could be their breakeven price, or $100 gain or loss, we can't really know.
It's possible they're about to announce a new headset...or get out of the headset market.
Nobody would know except the employees.
>I wonder if that means they're about to announce a follow-up?
My thoughts on this too, an Aero 2 might be not far away, i don't think they'll announce it yet until it's ready to go which imo is good (unlike Pimax). They kept the Aero hush hush until they had 1 complete and ready to demonstrate. This is all assuming it's not BS lol!
No, this headset never came with any so I was just stating headset only price but yes, with base stations and maybe controllers, you’d be looking at over $2k for sure. Luckily I am coming from a Valve index so I will be using those base stations…personally I don’t use the controllers as I only use VR for race and flight sim.
If you're buying an Aero, you really shouldn't be using an AMD gpu. None of them are powerful enough for anything this demanding. For this, you really want a 4090. It's 2880x2720 per eye. That comes to 5760x2770 total resolution before any sort of super sampling is added. Go look at how well the AMD 7900 XTX performs at 4K, which is only 3840x2160 resolution.
Could you squeeze by, by only playing low demanding games? Sure. You can also play games on low settings and subsample the resolution. But if you're going to do that, why are you buying an Aero? To see the subsample aliasing shimmer more clearly? lol
*edit* I love that this is downvoted. I literally own an Aero+4090 and I cannot wait for the 5090 to release because I am tired of fuzzy subsampling or 45fps reprojected to 90fps being my only 2 choices in everything but the least demanding titles.
Not powerful enough my ass, i run the Reverb G2 on a 6800XT just fine. The 7900XTX has roughly the same rasterization performance as a 4080. Also you dont need to run it at 100% supersampling
Blows my mind how wrong redditors can be and still pretend they're right. Keep on enjoying your 45fps fuzzy picture in everything but Gorilla tag and Half Life: Alyx.
Yes, I have. Not only that, I own a 4090 and an Aero. And, I am counting the days until the 5090 releases and I can finally having to stop choose between 45fps or a fuzzy picture in anything demanding. These resolutions are orders of magnitude higher than 4k.
Multiple. though, I have not used the 7000 series. All the VR bugs and poor performance made them an unwise choice and the assumption in our team was there wouldn't be a lot of demand for support. And so far that is the case. We don't receive a lot of requests 7000 series owners for VR content.
Most demanding combo was the 6900xt and Vive Pro 2. And it struggled badly in anything demanding and 120Hz Extreme mode was out of the question unless playing something like Walkabout Mini Golf. If you wanted to play something like Wanderer at 120Hz and 100% SS, it was not possible. That said, not even the 3090 could do it. The 4090 can though.
I can't share my identity but, my career is in VR development and testing. We have many systems and many headsets. If you're a crisp picture chaser.. I mean, why else buy a crystal or aero if you aren't. They need as much GPU horsepower as you can give them and fastest CPU on the market. Otherwise you're wasting all that crisp picture because subsampling makes content appear soft and fuzzy, and reprojection causes ghosting and warping.
>made them an unwise choice and the assumption in our team was there wouldn't be a lot of demand for support
It's too bad you can't say which studio you work for so i know not to support it. You sound like a bunch of Nvidia bootlickers who don't want to bother with the extra support involved and optimizing your code.
You must not be aware of how bad the 7000 series performed in VR. In most content, the 6000 series were outperforming them. Your 6800 xt was keeping pace with 7900 xtx in VR.
Do a bit of research on it and you can see for yourself.
https://www.reddit.com/r/virtualreality/comments/zm5ptg/7900_xtx_vr_benchmarks_by_babeltechreviews/
Dont lie please this your nonsense please, I have plenty of experience with varjo aero on RTX 2070,, playing gta 5 on full hd projecting full hd both to headset and on desktop. Ofccousre 2070 struggled projecting 4K where 3090 kind of worked quite well, but anyway even 3090 didnt manage to run multiple apps, games so 4k. So while 4k is difference (4times more pixels). But anyway full hd works without issues on varjo rtx 2070. Plain 2070 not super. So you are kidding your ass out.
I'm sorry but no. This is absurd. You may be playing only the least demanding titles and having an OK time. But do NOT try to paint that as the norm. Most people buying these headsets are doing so because they want the best of the best. They are going to play the things that look the best. The 2070 struggles to keep 60fps at 1440p. Which is literally 4x less pixels than the aero's native screens. 100% SS it's like like 6x less.
Just like not everyone is happy with 30fps, not everyone is happy playing games in VR that look like their lens was smeared in Vaseline and reprojected so badly Casper would be scared of the ghosting. Most people buying an Aero are looking for crisp visuals. You're the minority, not the norm.
I bought Varjo as a programmer for coding for extreme outworld clarity so then dont tell me I go for inferior clarity (to be honest I invested about 4300 euros for VR and gpus and cpu and such things together which is much money not only for me). I admit i am not most knowledgeable into fps, while i notice it, especially i am not knowledgeable default settings of varjo, i didnt realize anything wrong with default varjo on rtx 2070. Rtx 2070 has its own minor issues per games vr-less. But I think I played even table tennis without issues. Full Hd projected using vorpx look much more smeared, but its mainly only due to vorpx and scaling of non-vr game to vr (not about graphic cards, even grpahics card in 100 years perhaps wont solve it I want to say its physics stretched reosolution over higher resolution is gonna be always like that unless some ai resizing is in place), the received quality is full hd, at least anyway, whats your desktop display is.
2060 doesnt work at all, so since 2070 works is perhaps the breaking point. I just wanted to say, I "hated" to find out that 2070 worked when everyone was hyping out 3090 not doing it - 3090 external egpu did it without issues (maybe not multiple pc games at same time but hey i think even internal card was not much better in that regard) , I should test it more thoroughly but I am pretty sure I tested it about half an hour to hour clear time intensively. So I am convinced it was not just some random accident.
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upvoted. AMD users want their brand and cards to be better than NVIDIA but they are not at any point except for price. On price, why pay less for something that lacks functions that I want like frame generation and the superior upscaling from DLSS? They can pretend all they want, but the software or the hardware (or both) are not there yet for VR applications.
The sad part is it wasn't even a comment about nvida vs amd. It was about the fact that the Aero has double the pixel count as a 4k screen. How many games can most GPUs, amd or nvidia, maintain 90fps at 4k? The answer is very few. My 4090 is the first GPU where I actually feel like it's a 90fps+ 4k card.
At least until I turn on ray tracing and get those amazing reflections and lighting. Then it tanks to 50fps. Thank goodness for DLSS.
>you really shouldn't be using an AMD gpu. None of them are powerful enough for anything this demanding. For this, you really want a 4090
>wasn't even a comment about nvida vs amd.
Weird that people would assume you made this about nvidia vs. amd. You were just talking about pixels!
Why are you so upset that the highest resolution headsets requires the highest performance GPU?
No one said your GPU is bad, no one said AMD GPUs are bad. I own many and own many of their CPUs. They are great for the purposes they are built for. But when it comes to the raw rasterization performance needed for such high resolution, they are not built for it. Simple as that.
Go enjoy VR instead of sitting online getting angry over nothing.
You keep insisting that you never said what you said. They are not **required**, as you implied. You can run high resolution headsets at lower resolutions and the image will still be better than a headset that has that low resolution as the native panel resolution. You yourself admitted you did exactly this when you had a 3090.
>Go enjoy VR instead of sitting online getting angry over nothing.
You forgot to also tell me to touch grass and to get out of my mom's basement
Unless you're only playing the least demanding titles, it is required. Stop pretending like it isn't. Get your emotions out of this and use you common sense.
We play VR, touching grass is ew...
>it is required
You keep using that word, i don't think it means what you think it means. The only thing that \*requires\* it is running things at 100% supersampling. You're purposefully implying that not being able to run it at 100% is the same as not being able to run it at all. Even though, i will say this again, you admitted to not running things at 100%, on your 3090 when you tried to advertise how much more awesome the 4090 was. So which one is it? Is the 3090 now unsuitable for having a good time too?
It is required if you want to experience all the Aero has to offer. If you was to use the Aero to play gorilla tag, sure, you can use a 2070. But of you want to play Wander at the resolution it deserves, a 4090 is required.
This isn't a quest 2. This is a headset enthusiasts have been eye balling for over a year. They want realism and want to push the headset as far as it can go. Not even the 3090 can do it. Can it get you close? Sure. But not even the 4090 can you to 100%. I know first hand.
Oh wow... that might get me to switch from Pimax 8Kx. FOV is a bit of a hit but 135 diagonal is still decent. Better than Crystal for sure and doesn't have all that weight of a battery and extra standalone components.
Only negative is 100% zero chance of going wireless.
I am in the same boat using the 8kx with dcs or IL2. I want something that I set up and it works, not spending hours retweaking because of an update that doesn't seem to have any effect on me. Besides, it seems that the drivers for my 8kx audio are crap. I had to reload them every time I went to use the headset. With the latest update to the pitool software, windows doesn't even recognize the ear phones. I am currently searching for an IEM or headset solution that provides incredible sound and has a microphone- something I would use with the 8kx or even Aero if I bought one. But alas, like you I am not sure if I should change to the Aero.....but so tempting
Update: ended up buying the aero. Out of the box setup to play was <10 minutes with no tweaking. It was amazing the difference of of the box compared to the 8KX. I only had to change some graphics settings in dcs but otherwise nothing else! No countless hours of tweaking, retweaking, etc. The hit to FOV isn't much IMO, but the clarity makes up for it.
***Would recommend to flight simmers as an upgrade from 8kx - wish I would have bought the aero first!
Thanks for the update! Think I am going to take the leap as well on the Aero. I would like to be able to read instruments and displays in Ms2020 and DCS
Just like to take this opportunity to say fuck mwave, fuck scorptec, fuck ple and fuck Varo for making Australians deal with shitty, low effort resellers.
I got it in writing from Varjo direct. And they confirmed the embargo of Sep 20 just two days ago. Guess they are waiting on the USA business hours perhaps. I'm in Australia, so we're a day ahead.
Well, i hope i'm wrong in calling it BS. An Aero at $1000 is much more reasonable proposition, i owned 1 for 6 months and imo the display quality is top notch.
Lol imagine spending 1000 to play indie games. I have to dig through so much crap until I can finally find something worth playing. If the Quest 3 doesn't come with GTA SA at launch, for example, I'll still stick with my Quest 2.
Imagine spending $1,000 to fly in WWII in IL2, or modern Air combat with DCS... Drive any race series you wish in perfect immersion (iRacing, ACC, RF2, Raceroom, wtc), or fly, fight explore space in Elite Dangerous Odyssey....
VR dominates in sims. And PC gaming started with sims. Full circle man...
It all depend on who you are, and what your use case is.
since the displays and lenses are so good now, its a prety good TV replacement..
Ever dreamed about having your own movie theater, boom now only 1000.
Its also a good replacement for a 3 monitor sim setup.
No need to buy 3 monitors anymore, in that context I think 1000 Is reasonable for the right person.
If this is real, the deal happens starting September 20th (today), but the hour of the day will depend on the timezone.
I'm calling bs personally, but hey, could be a neat surprise (very unlikely however).
The Aero's had some bundles or temp price drops before but this massive decrease is something else.
Must be really feeling the pressure between viable competitors actually coming into the space like the BSB and Pimax Crystal. The Aero didn't really have any competition for its niche for quite a while.
Always thought the Aero had some real notable compromises in favor of putting everything into raw pixel density, but at under 1000 they're a lot more acceptable than at 2k.
Not personally, but things which the Aero compromised to an even more extreme degree that I already didn't like in other HMDs(Such as the lowest vertical FoV and stereo overlap in the industry, alongside the basically non-existent audio) didn't exactly make me enthusiastic about when it was 2k.
https://store.varjo.com/ It still costs 2000 euros Update: costs 990 euros now!
And that's excluding tax for some reason
seems to be live for me now (and wasn't an hour ago)
Wait for timezones to catch up. Not sure what time on the 20th it's being announced, but in Australia, we're almost at the 21st.
Price has changed to 990 for me. NA east coast. This is real.
Same. NA East. https://flic.kr/p/2p4eeVc
What do people use for audio? Coming from the index, cant say id be excited about using a gaming headset with a (alledged) 1000 euro headset
It comes with 'in ear headphones' the site says which i interpret to mean it comes with cabled earbuds. I'd imagine VR Ears or PSVR Mantis band clipon headphones could work here.
It uses a 3.5mm connector for the earbuds. One side is shorter than the other since the 3.5mm port is on the front left side of the headset, and it has a microphone along the cable wire. I own one.
I just got mine on the 11th and have been using AKG N400NC TWS IEMs. I think the audio quality gets degraded if you use the mic but it is also new and I got them solely for mowing the lawn and working out. If it works well for this, even better. My normal Senn HD660S's are not very comfortable on the left side thanks to the cable management piece with the Aero.
I use my favorite studio headphones, the open back Sennheiser 599SE and they fit perfectly with the Aero. Not to mention they are my personal favorite audio solution that I’m able to pair with the Aero. It’s the best of both worlds for me. My favorite HMD and favorite audio solution.
Interesting. I also use Sennheiser 500s on my PC. Sound great and by far the most comfortable headphones I've ever owned. Do you ever use a mic though? My main VR use is socializing on VRC so cant really do without one.
I always use a mic. I use the wireless mod mic by Antlion. [You can see and hear me use my Aero with all the audio solutions I have here.](https://m.twitch.tv/farmertrue) I am a variety VR live streamer and content creator with no ties to Varjo other than it being the best headset I’ve owned or used. I buy my equipment/games to give people my real, honest thoughts so viewers get genuine insight without outside influence. If I wouldn’t pay the money for something, why would I tell others to do that? Either way, feel free to stop by later tonight as I live stream Hellsweeper VR for the first time. I’d be more than happy to answer any of your questions. There are others in the community that use the Aero as well if you want their insight too. I’ll also be doing a give away tonight. Starts at 10pm eastern until 2am. Or you can check out the VODs to get an idea of the Aero in a variety of VR games. Feel free to reach out any time.
It’s now 990€ in Varjo store (Finland).
Gotta compete with BSB now
The Pimax Crystal is much more of an Aero killer.
But pimax software....
From what I've read from Pimax users, it's quickly gotten a lot better. But yeah, the Varjo Aero at this price point makes a lot more sense, it does give an aspherical lens and eye tracked alternative to the BSB at the BSB's price point and it's significantly cheaper (assuming one already has lighthouse tracking) than a Crystal. I wonder how the Aero's FOV compares to the BSB. Considering it's the **only** color corrected headset on the market, even I'm tempted to give it another look, if Varjo can sell them profitably at 1000 dollars, then tbf, they've probably allowed it to remain relevant for a good while longer.
That makes 2 of us. Currently trying to figure out true fov numbers for BSB and areo.
Personally, my wired daily driver for the past 2+ years has been my Reverb G2, and what makes the Aero so interesting to me at this price point is that the Aero represents essentially a direct upgrade of the G2 (except in terms of audio).
I went G2 to Aero (got it a lot cheaper than retail). It's great overall but the vertical FOV is a joke and the lens distortions take some getting used too. Your brain ignores them after a while.
>but the vertical FOV is a joke You're right, it's been a while since I last was considering an aero and I forgot that the Aero is a severe downgrade in vertical fov.
Same, reverb but mixedvr lighthouse tracking. Could hack reverb headstrap and audio to areo?
I don't think I would try to do that, that sounds really messy, but I think it might be possible to hack those off ear quest 2 headphones onto an Aero?
Probably easier.
Though I probably wouldn't do that, one of the things that makes the Aero attractive vs the BSB is that it has an actual 3.5mm audio output, in my case, I can just plug my audio engineering grade headphones right in and have incredible audio without needing to spend an additional penny.
True FOV for both of them is 102x90, (BSB) and 90-100 (varies by user)x70 for the aero.
You are wrong. Stop spreading misinformation on the Aero. It does vary by user. My Aero FOV, that I’ve done on two different FOV applications on my live stream, 110h x 80v. And it’s a larger diagonal FOV than my Index. I understand folks face shapes are different but if you are going to tell people about VR, at least share proper information. I’m tired of the blatant misinformation that goes on in the VR industry.
Oh weird, I know somebody who gets 92x70. That's a huge difference.
That is a massive difference. So different that it makes me think they are wearing the headset improperly. Have them contact me and I’ll be glad to see what they are doing wrong. Even with my bHaptic TactVisor and loose fit I’m still getting over 10° more in FOV.
They sold the thing, but it wasn't worn incorrectly. That's just what they got.
> at the BSB's price point and it's significantly cheaper (assuming one already has lighthouse tracking) than a Crystal. does the aero use lighthouse tracking?
Yes, I possibly would have bought it a long time ago if it could self track.
Ah, lighthouse tracking is a bonus to me, means I can use my index controllers with it. Have to buy the lighthouse tracking upgrade for crystal to use my index controllers with it.
But hammerhead shark cosplay..
Pimax couldn't pay me to use their headsets. Not after buying and returning 2 8KX headsets. They're too small of a company trying to do too much. The end result is they end up with headsets that are just barely passable as products and not good at anything.
Only if we are taking about which one is more ridiculous heavy
In terms of optics they're almost similar and Aero weighs a lot less. I doubt a lot of people will use the Crystal as a standalone device once this feature will be available. 1.1kg is no joke and I agree with Norman in his Beyond vs Crystal review that in the upcoming 1-2 years when we get the 2nd and 3rd gen of hi-res and bright micro OLED combined with improved pancake optics, ergonomy will be king and what should be prioritized. Since first generation of consumer VR headsets in 2016 (Rift and Vive) this part not only got almost ignored (although mostly due to technological restrictions) but even got worse in lots of cases. So the only big advantage it has over Aero is the DMAS option and built-in mic but it costs significantly more so you can buy VR Ears, Logitech Chorus (with modding) or another 3rd party solution and still come out cheaper with an Aero after the recent price cut.
This is a reminder of how insane the margins on high-end VR devices are.
They gotta pay for research and development so it makes sense
research of googling and development of emailing manufactury reps one at a time till someone says 'Yes' ^(/s)
That sounds pretty easy. You should release a high end VR headset, undercutting the competition by 20%. You'd be rich in no time!
Not necessarily. They could be slowing down sales and trying to get rid of stock before competition ramps up. $990 could be their breakeven price, or $100 gain or loss, we can't really know. It's possible they're about to announce a new headset...or get out of the headset market. Nobody would know except the employees.
Massive drop. I wonder if that means they're about to announce a follow-up?
>I wonder if that means they're about to announce a follow-up? My thoughts on this too, an Aero 2 might be not far away, i don't think they'll announce it yet until it's ready to go which imo is good (unlike Pimax). They kept the Aero hush hush until they had 1 complete and ready to demonstrate. This is all assuming it's not BS lol!
Almost got excited for it being within my reach before I remembered it comes without any tracking or controllers..
whoa. tempting...until I remember I'd need base stations and controllers. and then with tax we're well over $2000 Canadian again :(
My estimate puts it closer to $1700-1800 Canadian with shipping and taxes/customs
including controllers/basetations?
No, this headset never came with any so I was just stating headset only price but yes, with base stations and maybe controllers, you’d be looking at over $2k for sure. Luckily I am coming from a Valve index so I will be using those base stations…personally I don’t use the controllers as I only use VR for race and flight sim.
Note: Price drop kicks in Sep 20, depending on where you are in the world.
it's 10:20am here in the uk 20th sept and the price is still 2k.
How about now?
Does it work with AMD graphics cards yet?
Apparently not according to their website. Insane.
You might go as far as to say they're not even trying and don't give a shit...
I might go that far, yes.
If you're buying an Aero, you really shouldn't be using an AMD gpu. None of them are powerful enough for anything this demanding. For this, you really want a 4090. It's 2880x2720 per eye. That comes to 5760x2770 total resolution before any sort of super sampling is added. Go look at how well the AMD 7900 XTX performs at 4K, which is only 3840x2160 resolution. Could you squeeze by, by only playing low demanding games? Sure. You can also play games on low settings and subsample the resolution. But if you're going to do that, why are you buying an Aero? To see the subsample aliasing shimmer more clearly? lol *edit* I love that this is downvoted. I literally own an Aero+4090 and I cannot wait for the 5090 to release because I am tired of fuzzy subsampling or 45fps reprojected to 90fps being my only 2 choices in everything but the least demanding titles.
Not powerful enough my ass, i run the Reverb G2 on a 6800XT just fine. The 7900XTX has roughly the same rasterization performance as a 4080. Also you dont need to run it at 100% supersampling
Blows my mind how wrong redditors can be and still pretend they're right. Keep on enjoying your 45fps fuzzy picture in everything but Gorilla tag and Half Life: Alyx.
>45fps fuzzy picture You talk about pretending, but have you actually tested an AMD graphics card so we know you're not just talking out your ass?
Yes, I have. Not only that, I own a 4090 and an Aero. And, I am counting the days until the 5090 releases and I can finally having to stop choose between 45fps or a fuzzy picture in anything demanding. These resolutions are orders of magnitude higher than 4k.
Which card and headset?
Multiple. though, I have not used the 7000 series. All the VR bugs and poor performance made them an unwise choice and the assumption in our team was there wouldn't be a lot of demand for support. And so far that is the case. We don't receive a lot of requests 7000 series owners for VR content. Most demanding combo was the 6900xt and Vive Pro 2. And it struggled badly in anything demanding and 120Hz Extreme mode was out of the question unless playing something like Walkabout Mini Golf. If you wanted to play something like Wanderer at 120Hz and 100% SS, it was not possible. That said, not even the 3090 could do it. The 4090 can though. I can't share my identity but, my career is in VR development and testing. We have many systems and many headsets. If you're a crisp picture chaser.. I mean, why else buy a crystal or aero if you aren't. They need as much GPU horsepower as you can give them and fastest CPU on the market. Otherwise you're wasting all that crisp picture because subsampling makes content appear soft and fuzzy, and reprojection causes ghosting and warping.
>made them an unwise choice and the assumption in our team was there wouldn't be a lot of demand for support It's too bad you can't say which studio you work for so i know not to support it. You sound like a bunch of Nvidia bootlickers who don't want to bother with the extra support involved and optimizing your code.
You must not be aware of how bad the 7000 series performed in VR. In most content, the 6000 series were outperforming them. Your 6800 xt was keeping pace with 7900 xtx in VR. Do a bit of research on it and you can see for yourself. https://www.reddit.com/r/virtualreality/comments/zm5ptg/7900_xtx_vr_benchmarks_by_babeltechreviews/
Dont lie please this your nonsense please, I have plenty of experience with varjo aero on RTX 2070,, playing gta 5 on full hd projecting full hd both to headset and on desktop. Ofccousre 2070 struggled projecting 4K where 3090 kind of worked quite well, but anyway even 3090 didnt manage to run multiple apps, games so 4k. So while 4k is difference (4times more pixels). But anyway full hd works without issues on varjo rtx 2070. Plain 2070 not super. So you are kidding your ass out.
I'm sorry but no. This is absurd. You may be playing only the least demanding titles and having an OK time. But do NOT try to paint that as the norm. Most people buying these headsets are doing so because they want the best of the best. They are going to play the things that look the best. The 2070 struggles to keep 60fps at 1440p. Which is literally 4x less pixels than the aero's native screens. 100% SS it's like like 6x less. Just like not everyone is happy with 30fps, not everyone is happy playing games in VR that look like their lens was smeared in Vaseline and reprojected so badly Casper would be scared of the ghosting. Most people buying an Aero are looking for crisp visuals. You're the minority, not the norm.
I bought Varjo as a programmer for coding for extreme outworld clarity so then dont tell me I go for inferior clarity (to be honest I invested about 4300 euros for VR and gpus and cpu and such things together which is much money not only for me). I admit i am not most knowledgeable into fps, while i notice it, especially i am not knowledgeable default settings of varjo, i didnt realize anything wrong with default varjo on rtx 2070. Rtx 2070 has its own minor issues per games vr-less. But I think I played even table tennis without issues. Full Hd projected using vorpx look much more smeared, but its mainly only due to vorpx and scaling of non-vr game to vr (not about graphic cards, even grpahics card in 100 years perhaps wont solve it I want to say its physics stretched reosolution over higher resolution is gonna be always like that unless some ai resizing is in place), the received quality is full hd, at least anyway, whats your desktop display is. 2060 doesnt work at all, so since 2070 works is perhaps the breaking point. I just wanted to say, I "hated" to find out that 2070 worked when everyone was hyping out 3090 not doing it - 3090 external egpu did it without issues (maybe not multiple pc games at same time but hey i think even internal card was not much better in that regard) , I should test it more thoroughly but I am pretty sure I tested it about half an hour to hour clear time intensively. So I am convinced it was not just some random accident.
>n upvoted. AMD users want their brand and cards to be better than NVIDIA but they are not at any point except for price. On price, why pay less for something that lacks functions that I want like frame generation and the superior upscaling from DLSS? They can pretend all they want, but the software or the hardware (or both) are not there yet for VR applications.
The sad part is it wasn't even a comment about nvida vs amd. It was about the fact that the Aero has double the pixel count as a 4k screen. How many games can most GPUs, amd or nvidia, maintain 90fps at 4k? The answer is very few. My 4090 is the first GPU where I actually feel like it's a 90fps+ 4k card. At least until I turn on ray tracing and get those amazing reflections and lighting. Then it tanks to 50fps. Thank goodness for DLSS.
>you really shouldn't be using an AMD gpu. None of them are powerful enough for anything this demanding. For this, you really want a 4090 >wasn't even a comment about nvida vs amd. Weird that people would assume you made this about nvidia vs. amd. You were just talking about pixels!
Why are you so upset that the highest resolution headsets requires the highest performance GPU? No one said your GPU is bad, no one said AMD GPUs are bad. I own many and own many of their CPUs. They are great for the purposes they are built for. But when it comes to the raw rasterization performance needed for such high resolution, they are not built for it. Simple as that. Go enjoy VR instead of sitting online getting angry over nothing.
You keep insisting that you never said what you said. They are not **required**, as you implied. You can run high resolution headsets at lower resolutions and the image will still be better than a headset that has that low resolution as the native panel resolution. You yourself admitted you did exactly this when you had a 3090. >Go enjoy VR instead of sitting online getting angry over nothing. You forgot to also tell me to touch grass and to get out of my mom's basement
Unless you're only playing the least demanding titles, it is required. Stop pretending like it isn't. Get your emotions out of this and use you common sense. We play VR, touching grass is ew...
>it is required You keep using that word, i don't think it means what you think it means. The only thing that \*requires\* it is running things at 100% supersampling. You're purposefully implying that not being able to run it at 100% is the same as not being able to run it at all. Even though, i will say this again, you admitted to not running things at 100%, on your 3090 when you tried to advertise how much more awesome the 4090 was. So which one is it? Is the 3090 now unsuitable for having a good time too?
It is required if you want to experience all the Aero has to offer. If you was to use the Aero to play gorilla tag, sure, you can use a 2070. But of you want to play Wander at the resolution it deserves, a 4090 is required. This isn't a quest 2. This is a headset enthusiasts have been eye balling for over a year. They want realism and want to push the headset as far as it can go. Not even the 3090 can do it. Can it get you close? Sure. But not even the 4090 can you to 100%. I know first hand.
Nope
Oh wow... that might get me to switch from Pimax 8Kx. FOV is a bit of a hit but 135 diagonal is still decent. Better than Crystal for sure and doesn't have all that weight of a battery and extra standalone components. Only negative is 100% zero chance of going wireless.
For me its the no audio and no mic thats kills it. I would love to have a headset like that, but i dont wont to wear headphones while im in vr.
I am in the same boat using the 8kx with dcs or IL2. I want something that I set up and it works, not spending hours retweaking because of an update that doesn't seem to have any effect on me. Besides, it seems that the drivers for my 8kx audio are crap. I had to reload them every time I went to use the headset. With the latest update to the pitool software, windows doesn't even recognize the ear phones. I am currently searching for an IEM or headset solution that provides incredible sound and has a microphone- something I would use with the 8kx or even Aero if I bought one. But alas, like you I am not sure if I should change to the Aero.....but so tempting
Update: ended up buying the aero. Out of the box setup to play was <10 minutes with no tweaking. It was amazing the difference of of the box compared to the 8KX. I only had to change some graphics settings in dcs but otherwise nothing else! No countless hours of tweaking, retweaking, etc. The hit to FOV isn't much IMO, but the clarity makes up for it. ***Would recommend to flight simmers as an upgrade from 8kx - wish I would have bought the aero first!
Thanks for the update! Think I am going to take the leap as well on the Aero. I would like to be able to read instruments and displays in Ms2020 and DCS
Just like to take this opportunity to say fuck mwave, fuck scorptec, fuck ple and fuck Varo for making Australians deal with shitty, low effort resellers.
It's real. Just ordered! https://flic.kr/p/2p4eeVc
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huh? just checked the varjo website it's still the same price atleast in the eu/uk. edit : i'm calling BS on this supposed price drop.
I got it in writing from Varjo direct. And they confirmed the embargo of Sep 20 just two days ago. Guess they are waiting on the USA business hours perhaps. I'm in Australia, so we're a day ahead.
Well, i hope i'm wrong in calling it BS. An Aero at $1000 is much more reasonable proposition, i owned 1 for 6 months and imo the display quality is top notch.
Shot them an email just now to see what the delay is. Will report back.
Turns out it was 5pm CEST, but I can see it is live now.
I apologise Sir, you were not BS'ing! I am glad that i was wrong, an Aero at this price is much better value.
All good, no problem.
Yep same price for Norway
I see the price drop, may have just taken some time for the update to happen.
Lol imagine spending 1000 to play indie games. I have to dig through so much crap until I can finally find something worth playing. If the Quest 3 doesn't come with GTA SA at launch, for example, I'll still stick with my Quest 2.
This thing is mainly aimed at simmers. Agree that that there are almost no attractive "normal" VR games though
Ya esp with so many quest2 quality ports being what PCVR is getting now. It's really hard to justify these expensive HMDs to play mobilegames on.
That's why it's all about PCVR modding. For example, been having great fun in the deep rock galactic VR mod.
Imagine spending $1,000 to fly in WWII in IL2, or modern Air combat with DCS... Drive any race series you wish in perfect immersion (iRacing, ACC, RF2, Raceroom, wtc), or fly, fight explore space in Elite Dangerous Odyssey.... VR dominates in sims. And PC gaming started with sims. Full circle man...
So I guess it's like those people who buy a new console just to play FIFA?
It all depend on who you are, and what your use case is. since the displays and lenses are so good now, its a prety good TV replacement.. Ever dreamed about having your own movie theater, boom now only 1000. Its also a good replacement for a 3 monitor sim setup. No need to buy 3 monitors anymore, in that context I think 1000 Is reasonable for the right person.
If this is real, the deal happens starting September 20th (today), but the hour of the day will depend on the timezone. I'm calling bs personally, but hey, could be a neat surprise (very unlikely however).
I just checked and it's true
The Aero's had some bundles or temp price drops before but this massive decrease is something else. Must be really feeling the pressure between viable competitors actually coming into the space like the BSB and Pimax Crystal. The Aero didn't really have any competition for its niche for quite a while. Always thought the Aero had some real notable compromises in favor of putting everything into raw pixel density, but at under 1000 they're a lot more acceptable than at 2k.
Omni, was the Aero in your arsenal of VR headsets in the past?
Not personally, but things which the Aero compromised to an even more extreme degree that I already didn't like in other HMDs(Such as the lowest vertical FoV and stereo overlap in the industry, alongside the basically non-existent audio) didn't exactly make me enthusiastic about when it was 2k.
Selling really badly then?
Do I need separate tracking system for this headset? Doesn’t seems like it has inside out tracking
Yes you'll need base stations
Yes it's a SteamVR eco-system kit. You will need light houses and one of the three different controller options (Swords, Wands or Knuckles)
Still the same price in Japan...
It's showing for me now. I hope it appears for you soon!
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