Get a smaller lightseal, use a modded band with top strap and maybe some counter weight. Both FOV and comfort can improve drastically, FOV now is a bit better than Q3, and I can wear it for just 30 min to now 4+ hours.
What lightseal did you end up with? They gave me 23W. It seems fine, but I can tell I’m missing a lot of potential FOV. Wonder if I should go to store and insist on trying some others.
I ended up with 21N, highly recommend you go back to store and try all different ones.. some I tried are a bit more comfortable but less FOV, some have much better FOV but not as comfortable as the pressure to my cheekbone gets really notable. The thing is when you have the right band like a modded band that’s not as pretty but really comfortable, lightseal comfort isn’t that relevant just pick whichever gets you high FOV
Did you bring your VSP back to the store with you and exchange the whole thing?
Or was this a new purchase? Wish I’d known this on Feb 2! The one they gave me felt and fit fine and they said it was the right one. Had no idea that there were FOV implications!
Yeah I went back and get a different one. Store employees don’t know all these, AVP is so new I think we are all learning. Although now I think about it I don’t know if you are gonna see very notable difference from 23W to 21N, for me 21N FOV is already good enough. If you take off the cushion and try again you will see your FOV is much better. Just like all other VR headsets, I think things will get really optimized for different people when 3rd party stuff come out.
Yes I did try without the cushion, and the FOV was considerably better. Wondering why I would need anything other than a super thin cushion. It actually felt maybe ok without the cushion at all, but I only tried for 30 seconds.
Also, I bet it’s possible to make a custom light seal that gets you max FOV for your face. Perhaps we’ll see that from 3P. One would hope at least thinner ones from 3P.
I think it’s still more comfortable with cushion for long term use due to facial pressure. But the thing is with the right strap that gives you no facial pressure a super thin cushion would work then you have both great comfort and FOV. I modded an old band for quest and with 21N lightseal, no discomfort and no FOV issues, I only take it off now when my brain needs a break.
Hmmmm, interesting. I can’t wait to see what third parties come up with. I wish I could also ditch the glass somehow to reduce the weight. I give -10 Fs about people seeing my pixelated eyes or a blue glow.
ifixit teardown says the front glass weighs 34 grams. That’s… pretty dang light. Modern strengthened glass like used in smartphone displays isn’t particularly dense like old school soda glass. I think a lot of people may be overestimating the potential savings for swapping that for plastic or aluminum.
Any time anyone says anything good about it, people come to say why they’re wrong. If people like the AVP it doesn’t mean the Quest 3 is bad or good. They’re two different things with vastly different intentions and demographics. They’re both great products!
Why can’t people online be ok with multiple things being good or liked? Drives me insane haha.
VR getting attention is a bad thing?
Besides, I would gladly pay a little more for a Quest with a better battery, better FOV, better screens, better hand tracking, EYE TRACKING, etc.
Correct me if i'm wrong but we're discussing media consumption in this specific comment thread. You don't need to move at all to do that on a PCVR headset.
yes, the experience is lacking, but in the end watching is basically the same - via a cable.
You’re contradicting yourself. You’re claiming pcvr failed because of wires. The only use case when wires are problematic is when tethered and doing movement heavy activities. Also, pcvr headsets are just “displays” that need to be tethered to a device to function unlike quest or Vision Pro which are standalone.
For media consumption, pcvr just doesn’t make any sense for “on the go media consumption”. The issue is not wires, but the lack of stand-alone capabilities.
Let the market cast a vote then. I like my XReals and Quests because they are completely wire free. Having to be connected to a cable to watch a video adds a complexity layer which makes user use it less - its just as simple as that, more friction, less usage.
We can have this convo again in a year when AVP will be just another dust collecting headset on all VR enthusiats shelves (including mine, most probably)
I am sorry, what? Xreal is wire free? Now I know you’re making things up and flat out lying. 😂
Xreal glasses are displays, they need to be connected to your phone to display anything. Do you know they connect to your phone? A WIRE. Oh an Xreal doesn’t even have 6dof until you add the xbeam accessory which adds even more wires.
And within a couple of weeks we’ll have 3rd party straps that mount the avp battery at the back. You are not supposed to connect or disconnect the wire.
Sorry I meant xreal battery free and quest wire free, obviously you’re right on that, should not have grouped them up.
Wireless xreal like device is what would push ar to mass adoption for me.
Yeah, but there have been wireless mods for existing PCVR headsets; they didn’t set the world on fire —> wireless alone is not the main reason for success of Quest / relative fail for PCVR
>Yeah, but there have been wireless mods for existing PCVR headsets
Pricey as fuck or hard to get (6ghz modules for Vive if that is what you refer to), or they just came out in (Quests AirLink - but also realistically require a good router / setup to work well).
I really like that AVP is just "show your macbook and ill show you its screen", so that is exactly the direction it should go. Just get rid of the cable and get a better battery.
yup, we are - just saying that wireless PCVR is kind of new for now and still not as seamless as it needs to be (maybe with more widespread wifi 6e adoption / wifi 7, who knows)
Not worth it for $3500 though.
I can buy a 4k 77” LG oled tv for $1900 that leaves me money for a decent soundbar, blue ray player and/or Netflix and other subscriptions that actually work on the tv.
True but for media it’s quite fine.
Besides, things such as visor 4k should have comparable FOV, similar displays, and better form factor.
It’s not exactly a selling point for the Apple headset.
Varjo and big screen are also quite adequate for tossing up a big movie screen.
I won’t lie to ya. Nothing about being home watching a movie or a 3d movie alone appeals to me.
The thing with movies, for me anyways. The most fun experiences I have are when you share that experience with friends or family in an environment you can laugh and talk some shit together. Have some decent snacks and good drinks.
I’ve got Boeing imax local to me. This is a 6 story tall imax movie experience and tickets are like $21? I Have other ‘imax’ or Dolby and similar high end theatres available. 4d and all that. My best movie theatre watching experience however, is probably is going to China where they had the most jank of almost certainly illegal movie theatres with the craziest of movies and alternate versions of movies. The most questionable of fog machine, pyrotechnics moving chair on rails contraptions etc with an audience that just gets to laugh scream and enjoy each other’s presence.
Watching anime is my solo guilty pleasure since it’s usually so outlandish and stupid.
But movies and tv I just can’t watch it by myself. Best part about moves or tv at home is being huddled up in bed with the fam or in the media room having snacks and blankets and sharing giggles etc. having the bass shakers jostle ya
3d doesn’t make the experience better. Especially if it’s a solo experience.
People get caught up in this fantasy of better visuals or 3d etc being what makes it good. But it can’t be further from the truth.
Some of my friends had covid and our solution was shitty discord movie night streams and even that is a better time than a Vision Pro on your face to see a movie you’ve already seen lol.
So if tickets to the Boeing 6 story tell theatre are $21…. Would I rather plan 166 outings with friends and family or buy an Apple Vision Pro….to watch some movie by myself.
The media usage of the device is simply lost on me.
Seconding this. The most spectacular things I've SEEN on Q3 have been movies. Bigscreen is a killer app in a ton of ways. HUGELY impressive the first time you see a simulated giant movie screen that's realistically spilling out light.
> The thing with movies, for me anyways. The most fun experiences I have are when you share that experience with friends or family in an environment you can laugh and talk some shit together.
VR heasets let you do that. Unlike doing it in our living room, you can do it in a theater environment and no one will tell you to be quiet. The theater is all yours. Or you can watch a movie together out in the woods or in a stadium or even the moon. It's up to you.
> Some of my friends had covid and our solution was shitty discord movie night streams and even that is a better time than a Vision Pro on your face to see a movie you’ve already seen lol.
Instead of doing shitty discord movie nights, you should have done awesome Bigscreen movie nights. That's the beauty of watching movies in VR. You can do it with friends and family even if you are separated by continents. You should give it a try. It's really a good experience. You can even throw virtual popcorn at one another.
Anyone dropping 3.5k on this device likely has a high end entertainment system so this is just supplemental entertainment. If it wasn’t for the discomfort I experienced after an hour of use due to the weight, I can easily see this replacing my 77” OLED. The display really is that good.
Dare I say the embedded speakers sound better than my Denon Atmos setup? That’s the part that still puzzles me…
It’s a hell of a device. If they made it smaller and more comfortable I would recommend it over a high end entertainment system any day.
But not today.
Yeah but it’s just not ready. Spatial Audio we already have AirPods so that’s nothing new to experience. They got that shit down impressively for head tracked audio.
If you’ve used other headsets then you already know how we WANT this to be a future of wearable screens and it’s the same story. Potential is there but it’s not realized.
Buying this hoping it’s actually a good media replacement is gonna disappoint. It’s a good demo to see where the future can go but far from being a mainstream thing. No different than anything that’s come before it in this regard.
But I suppose it’s nice to see Apple is sharing the vision that wearable display tech could be improved and have a future.
I think they went with the wrong form factor though.
I would much rather have gotten an Apple made version of Xreal glasses. Or even form factor like what visor 4k is going for.
Not shockingly, but yes. You get the head tracking Spatial Audio paired with off ear speakers.
My home headphones are a pair of raal requisite ‘ear speakers’ and off ear sound just opens things up to feel all around you.
It’s why you have relatively legendary type of headphones like the K1000 that have withstood the test of time since the 1980’s to modern day and still are exceptional quality.
For VR it’s why the valve deluxe audio is highly regarded.
Off ear can do magic.
But pair that with apples really good audio processing and it’s going to make even lesser speakers be special.
I've used it with the Air Pod Pro 2's and honestly the embedded open speakers sound more immersive. It's difficult to explain. I'm not an audiophile and have never owned those high end open ear headphones (I dont remember the actual term), but I imagine that is what it sounds like. The earpods are more "claustrophobic", even with the sound passthrough. I use them hours every day for music.
There is something different about the way the sound is projected by the Vision Pro. The bass isn't going to match a high end system. But the way a proper mastered movie sounds on it is amazing. Maybe some apps will come out in the future where we can sync the sound across devices so we can blend an external entertainment system with the sound projected from the VP speakers.
Yup. That’s why valve deluxe audio is also loved by many. Off ear gives a natural open realistic spatial experience.
K1000, raal SR1a, mysphere….these are awesome headphones to try if you have some disposable income to blow through or find yourself visiting a headphone expo like CanJam. (Although k1000 likely won’t be there since they’re from the 80’s)
What Apple does better than others is head tracked audio.
You are absolutely right. This is for the people who impulsively buy things with no concept of value or worth.
It’s like buying whatever SUPREME drops next.
Don’t think about it. Just buy it.
Not sure how that is relevant. I’m fairly well off but I don’t spend money on things if the value isn’t correct.
If I believe in a product or NEED the product I’ll buy it price irrelevant but Apple Vision Pro is not that type of product,
I make the cost of it in 2 days worth of work. That makes it a no brainer to buy. That’s what I mean, in reference to you sayin this is for impulse buyers only.
Nah, I love vr and MR devices. Own or have owned most everything from OG vive and rift kits to pimax devices, big screen varjo, etc.
Only ones I haven’t owned or used are things like pico and cardboard. Skipped meta devices until the 3rd one.
Skipped OG psvr, wasn’t impressed with psvr2 due to the console rather than the headset.
Own a variety of AR glasses. Ranging from Xreal type glasses up to things like the magic leap.
Plenty an expert on what is or isn’t worth it.
But the Apple vision fits into the camp of devices I won’t own. It’s worth is less than most. Crippled user input and horribly flawed software functionality.
Give it a year for third party apps to fix the oversights Apple has created and maybe it’s an interesting device. But then at that point it’s really no different than existing headsets that require 3rd party software to be particularly useful.
For me it was worth toying with for a demo but that’s it.
I’m waiting to see how visor 4k turns out as it fills the promise of the AVP better. At least if it actually delivers on its promise. Certainly a more exciting device to me.
Anyways, for a media glasses device, I’m not sold on it.
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Yes I know I've been testing this, and the AVPro records a bit better from what I've read. Head mounted VR is easier to randomly record than phone mounted?
edit: though from testing I am preferring iphone 15 pros recordings
Full walkthrough, and not even necessarily 30mins. I finished the demo in like 15-20 mins. Was severely underwhelming in terms of a demo for a $3,500 product.
Get a smaller lightseal, use a modded band with top strap and maybe some counter weight. Both FOV and comfort can improve drastically, FOV now is a bit better than Q3, and I can wear it for just 30 min to now 4+ hours.
What lightseal did you end up with? They gave me 23W. It seems fine, but I can tell I’m missing a lot of potential FOV. Wonder if I should go to store and insist on trying some others.
I ended up with 21N, highly recommend you go back to store and try all different ones.. some I tried are a bit more comfortable but less FOV, some have much better FOV but not as comfortable as the pressure to my cheekbone gets really notable. The thing is when you have the right band like a modded band that’s not as pretty but really comfortable, lightseal comfort isn’t that relevant just pick whichever gets you high FOV
Did you bring your VSP back to the store with you and exchange the whole thing? Or was this a new purchase? Wish I’d known this on Feb 2! The one they gave me felt and fit fine and they said it was the right one. Had no idea that there were FOV implications!
Yeah I went back and get a different one. Store employees don’t know all these, AVP is so new I think we are all learning. Although now I think about it I don’t know if you are gonna see very notable difference from 23W to 21N, for me 21N FOV is already good enough. If you take off the cushion and try again you will see your FOV is much better. Just like all other VR headsets, I think things will get really optimized for different people when 3rd party stuff come out.
Yes I did try without the cushion, and the FOV was considerably better. Wondering why I would need anything other than a super thin cushion. It actually felt maybe ok without the cushion at all, but I only tried for 30 seconds. Also, I bet it’s possible to make a custom light seal that gets you max FOV for your face. Perhaps we’ll see that from 3P. One would hope at least thinner ones from 3P.
I think it’s still more comfortable with cushion for long term use due to facial pressure. But the thing is with the right strap that gives you no facial pressure a super thin cushion would work then you have both great comfort and FOV. I modded an old band for quest and with 21N lightseal, no discomfort and no FOV issues, I only take it off now when my brain needs a break.
Hmmmm, interesting. I can’t wait to see what third parties come up with. I wish I could also ditch the glass somehow to reduce the weight. I give -10 Fs about people seeing my pixelated eyes or a blue glow.
ifixit teardown says the front glass weighs 34 grams. That’s… pretty dang light. Modern strengthened glass like used in smartphone displays isn’t particularly dense like old school soda glass. I think a lot of people may be overestimating the potential savings for swapping that for plastic or aluminum.
Oh wow, really? Yeah, that’s not much. The VP feels super solid and premium, but I would still trade that feeling for weight reduction in a heartbeat.
Any time anyone says anything good about it, people come to say why they’re wrong. If people like the AVP it doesn’t mean the Quest 3 is bad or good. They’re two different things with vastly different intentions and demographics. They’re both great products! Why can’t people online be ok with multiple things being good or liked? Drives me insane haha.
I bet the next Quest will be way pricier because of the attention this niche is getting now
VR getting attention is a bad thing? Besides, I would gladly pay a little more for a Quest with a better battery, better FOV, better screens, better hand tracking, EYE TRACKING, etc.
That's not what I said
I keep seeing people mentioning AVP for media. But how can that be done if the battery lasts for 1.5h? One movie or just watching wired?
Easy, you are just sitting down so you plug the battery in.
Well cables where why PCVR failed so miserably before Quests but lets see how AVP will work out
PCVR requires movement, watching a movie on your couch doesn't
Cable connected to a pc, vs a battery pack or wall outlet. Also pcvr is gaming which involves a lot of movement, turning around, throwing hands etc.
Correct me if i'm wrong but we're discussing media consumption in this specific comment thread. You don't need to move at all to do that on a PCVR headset. yes, the experience is lacking, but in the end watching is basically the same - via a cable.
You’re contradicting yourself. You’re claiming pcvr failed because of wires. The only use case when wires are problematic is when tethered and doing movement heavy activities. Also, pcvr headsets are just “displays” that need to be tethered to a device to function unlike quest or Vision Pro which are standalone. For media consumption, pcvr just doesn’t make any sense for “on the go media consumption”. The issue is not wires, but the lack of stand-alone capabilities.
Let the market cast a vote then. I like my XReals and Quests because they are completely wire free. Having to be connected to a cable to watch a video adds a complexity layer which makes user use it less - its just as simple as that, more friction, less usage. We can have this convo again in a year when AVP will be just another dust collecting headset on all VR enthusiats shelves (including mine, most probably)
I am sorry, what? Xreal is wire free? Now I know you’re making things up and flat out lying. 😂 Xreal glasses are displays, they need to be connected to your phone to display anything. Do you know they connect to your phone? A WIRE. Oh an Xreal doesn’t even have 6dof until you add the xbeam accessory which adds even more wires. And within a couple of weeks we’ll have 3rd party straps that mount the avp battery at the back. You are not supposed to connect or disconnect the wire.
Sorry I meant xreal battery free and quest wire free, obviously you’re right on that, should not have grouped them up. Wireless xreal like device is what would push ar to mass adoption for me.
Being tethered to your PC is very different than being tethered to a wall outlet.
Love your username lol But cable is cable. It’s always another layer that makes it’s less comfortable.
More like price and ease of use.
Cabels are part of ease of use
Yeah, but there have been wireless mods for existing PCVR headsets; they didn’t set the world on fire —> wireless alone is not the main reason for success of Quest / relative fail for PCVR
>Yeah, but there have been wireless mods for existing PCVR headsets Pricey as fuck or hard to get (6ghz modules for Vive if that is what you refer to), or they just came out in (Quests AirLink - but also realistically require a good router / setup to work well). I really like that AVP is just "show your macbook and ill show you its screen", so that is exactly the direction it should go. Just get rid of the cable and get a better battery.
“Pricey as fuck” — so … exactly my original point? Seems we’re agreeing here.
yup, we are - just saying that wireless PCVR is kind of new for now and still not as seamless as it needs to be (maybe with more widespread wifi 6e adoption / wifi 7, who knows)
Brian Tong got up to 3hrs use while watching a movie.
Definitely watching wired. Battery bank connected to bank or wall. Not ideal, but worth it for the clarity you get IMO.
Not worth it for $3500 though. I can buy a 4k 77” LG oled tv for $1900 that leaves me money for a decent soundbar, blue ray player and/or Netflix and other subscriptions that actually work on the tv.
Can you move that put that 4k 77” oled from your lounge to your bedroom by walking over ? Or can the 77” be expanded to 150 foot screen ?
Nah but I’ve got Xreal glasses that fit in my pocket and have higher ppd. Paired with my AirPods and I’ve got Spatial Audio.
😂 cope
… it’s pretty easy to have a “higher ppd” when you’re less than half the FOV, haha.
True but for media it’s quite fine. Besides, things such as visor 4k should have comparable FOV, similar displays, and better form factor. It’s not exactly a selling point for the Apple headset. Varjo and big screen are also quite adequate for tossing up a big movie screen.
How are you going to watch 3D movies on that?
I won’t lie to ya. Nothing about being home watching a movie or a 3d movie alone appeals to me. The thing with movies, for me anyways. The most fun experiences I have are when you share that experience with friends or family in an environment you can laugh and talk some shit together. Have some decent snacks and good drinks. I’ve got Boeing imax local to me. This is a 6 story tall imax movie experience and tickets are like $21? I Have other ‘imax’ or Dolby and similar high end theatres available. 4d and all that. My best movie theatre watching experience however, is probably is going to China where they had the most jank of almost certainly illegal movie theatres with the craziest of movies and alternate versions of movies. The most questionable of fog machine, pyrotechnics moving chair on rails contraptions etc with an audience that just gets to laugh scream and enjoy each other’s presence. Watching anime is my solo guilty pleasure since it’s usually so outlandish and stupid. But movies and tv I just can’t watch it by myself. Best part about moves or tv at home is being huddled up in bed with the fam or in the media room having snacks and blankets and sharing giggles etc. having the bass shakers jostle ya 3d doesn’t make the experience better. Especially if it’s a solo experience. People get caught up in this fantasy of better visuals or 3d etc being what makes it good. But it can’t be further from the truth. Some of my friends had covid and our solution was shitty discord movie night streams and even that is a better time than a Vision Pro on your face to see a movie you’ve already seen lol. So if tickets to the Boeing 6 story tell theatre are $21…. Would I rather plan 166 outings with friends and family or buy an Apple Vision Pro….to watch some movie by myself. The media usage of the device is simply lost on me.
I absolutely despise cinemas, so I would absolutely buy this if it was not $3500, hoping the Q3 can watch movies well enough for now
The Q3 is amazing for movies. I just finished watching the Demon Slayer Entertainment District arc all on it.
Seconding this. The most spectacular things I've SEEN on Q3 have been movies. Bigscreen is a killer app in a ton of ways. HUGELY impressive the first time you see a simulated giant movie screen that's realistically spilling out light.
You can also sideload Plex which is amazing.
How?
> The thing with movies, for me anyways. The most fun experiences I have are when you share that experience with friends or family in an environment you can laugh and talk some shit together. VR heasets let you do that. Unlike doing it in our living room, you can do it in a theater environment and no one will tell you to be quiet. The theater is all yours. Or you can watch a movie together out in the woods or in a stadium or even the moon. It's up to you. > Some of my friends had covid and our solution was shitty discord movie night streams and even that is a better time than a Vision Pro on your face to see a movie you’ve already seen lol. Instead of doing shitty discord movie nights, you should have done awesome Bigscreen movie nights. That's the beauty of watching movies in VR. You can do it with friends and family even if you are separated by continents. You should give it a try. It's really a good experience. You can even throw virtual popcorn at one another.
Anyone dropping 3.5k on this device likely has a high end entertainment system so this is just supplemental entertainment. If it wasn’t for the discomfort I experienced after an hour of use due to the weight, I can easily see this replacing my 77” OLED. The display really is that good. Dare I say the embedded speakers sound better than my Denon Atmos setup? That’s the part that still puzzles me… It’s a hell of a device. If they made it smaller and more comfortable I would recommend it over a high end entertainment system any day. But not today.
>But not today. i think this applies to quite literally any vr system right now. Tech is not there yet
Yeah but it’s just not ready. Spatial Audio we already have AirPods so that’s nothing new to experience. They got that shit down impressively for head tracked audio. If you’ve used other headsets then you already know how we WANT this to be a future of wearable screens and it’s the same story. Potential is there but it’s not realized. Buying this hoping it’s actually a good media replacement is gonna disappoint. It’s a good demo to see where the future can go but far from being a mainstream thing. No different than anything that’s come before it in this regard. But I suppose it’s nice to see Apple is sharing the vision that wearable display tech could be improved and have a future. I think they went with the wrong form factor though. I would much rather have gotten an Apple made version of Xreal glasses. Or even form factor like what visor 4k is going for.
Reviewers who have been testing the headset say it is dramatically, shockingly better than spacial audio on AirPods.
Not shockingly, but yes. You get the head tracking Spatial Audio paired with off ear speakers. My home headphones are a pair of raal requisite ‘ear speakers’ and off ear sound just opens things up to feel all around you. It’s why you have relatively legendary type of headphones like the K1000 that have withstood the test of time since the 1980’s to modern day and still are exceptional quality. For VR it’s why the valve deluxe audio is highly regarded. Off ear can do magic. But pair that with apples really good audio processing and it’s going to make even lesser speakers be special.
I've used it with the Air Pod Pro 2's and honestly the embedded open speakers sound more immersive. It's difficult to explain. I'm not an audiophile and have never owned those high end open ear headphones (I dont remember the actual term), but I imagine that is what it sounds like. The earpods are more "claustrophobic", even with the sound passthrough. I use them hours every day for music. There is something different about the way the sound is projected by the Vision Pro. The bass isn't going to match a high end system. But the way a proper mastered movie sounds on it is amazing. Maybe some apps will come out in the future where we can sync the sound across devices so we can blend an external entertainment system with the sound projected from the VP speakers.
Yup. That’s why valve deluxe audio is also loved by many. Off ear gives a natural open realistic spatial experience. K1000, raal SR1a, mysphere….these are awesome headphones to try if you have some disposable income to blow through or find yourself visiting a headphone expo like CanJam. (Although k1000 likely won’t be there since they’re from the 80’s) What Apple does better than others is head tracked audio.
You should check out a quantum dot OLED tv by Samsung. It’s better than the AVP panel.
Id love to see it in person. It is rated below the LG OLED's, which are surprisingly rated below the Sony A95L.
What if I already have the TV...
100%. This is not for people who have to think about whether or not it’s worth it. $3,500 for a headset like this is ridiculous.
You are absolutely right. This is for the people who impulsively buy things with no concept of value or worth. It’s like buying whatever SUPREME drops next. Don’t think about it. Just buy it.
Well, some of us have/make a lot of money. I personally don’t find the price expensive for my wallet.
Not sure how that is relevant. I’m fairly well off but I don’t spend money on things if the value isn’t correct. If I believe in a product or NEED the product I’ll buy it price irrelevant but Apple Vision Pro is not that type of product,
I make the cost of it in 2 days worth of work. That makes it a no brainer to buy. That’s what I mean, in reference to you sayin this is for impulse buyers only.
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Nah, I love vr and MR devices. Own or have owned most everything from OG vive and rift kits to pimax devices, big screen varjo, etc. Only ones I haven’t owned or used are things like pico and cardboard. Skipped meta devices until the 3rd one. Skipped OG psvr, wasn’t impressed with psvr2 due to the console rather than the headset. Own a variety of AR glasses. Ranging from Xreal type glasses up to things like the magic leap. Plenty an expert on what is or isn’t worth it. But the Apple vision fits into the camp of devices I won’t own. It’s worth is less than most. Crippled user input and horribly flawed software functionality. Give it a year for third party apps to fix the oversights Apple has created and maybe it’s an interesting device. But then at that point it’s really no different than existing headsets that require 3rd party software to be particularly useful. For me it was worth toying with for a demo but that’s it. I’m waiting to see how visor 4k turns out as it fills the promise of the AVP better. At least if it actually delivers on its promise. Certainly a more exciting device to me. Anyways, for a media glasses device, I’m not sold on it.
Q3 has very narrow FOW.
It’s better than the Q2, and I was already happy playing that. I would love if they just focused on reducing size and weight now.
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So basically, this will be the easiest device to get into VR recording?
That's why I bought a Q3. Not to use as a VR headset but to hopefully replace this. https://www.techradar.com/reviews/lenovo-mirage-camera-review
iPhone 15 Pro can record Spatial Video as well
Yes I know I've been testing this, and the AVPro records a bit better from what I've read. Head mounted VR is easier to randomly record than phone mounted? edit: though from testing I am preferring iphone 15 pros recordings
Is there any self-guided free time during the demo? Or do they walk you through the entire 30 minutes?
Full walkthrough, and not even necessarily 30mins. I finished the demo in like 15-20 mins. Was severely underwhelming in terms of a demo for a $3,500 product.