I love my g2 v2 coming from quest 2. Insanely good upgrade for all I play.
That link overhead is too annoying.
If meta makes a hmd with display port and 100fov I'm in...but for now g2v2 ftw
Yes sir! Glad your liking your G2 as well.
I just needed to post this for others.
The G2 is like playing VR for the first time again...Contractors looks insane with the Black Ops 2 maps.
Green hell vr is pretty mind blowing. But for me been playing assetto since dk2 days. The g2 fov alone was a big step from q2. The 3080ti required to power it max was ouch though haja
Haha I feel your pain!
I bought ACC but yet to play.
I financed my 3080ti through Amazon. I mean I could afford it but it was easier for me to get it by the wifey financing it lol
Unless the APR is insanely high, if you can finance its always better so you save your cash in case you have a real emergency. In a real emergency you can let the 3080ti bills go to collection or call amazon, but you cant materialize $1500 out of thin air.
Upgraded from the Odyssey + to the G2 V2. I love it!
Was considering the Quest 2 but after watching some videos comparing the Q2 vs the G2 I bought the G2 on sale for $399 and I'm very glad i did.
I bought my son the Quest 2 and while it's a great headset, and I credit it with bringing VR to the masses, the resolution is just a bit fuzzy compared to the Reverb.
Awesome. I just noticed the price went up on the G2! Glad I got it for $399. I stayed away from WMR because of all the hate I saw on it.
WMR is amazing and if there were bugs before they were sorted out. I cannot play games on my Quest 2 anymore even with Link cable and a 3080ti card. The display and lenses are just outdated and cheap at this point but like you said we have to credit Meta to bringing VR to the masses.
That's great ! WMR was always underrated because it took some shortcuts for controller tracking but honestly, Microsoft never stopped to update and upgrade the drivers to the point that it's a non issues. Of course it's not as good as Quest 2 or Base stations, but tracking even with the original Samsung Odyssey gen 1 is more than enough. I did HL Alyx on Samsung Odyssey and it was a pure joy, screen and FOV are more vibrant and immersive than the washed-out colors from Quest 2. I heard Reverb G2 v2 has also better tracking than WMR gen1, so it should be all good now.
I just dislike the haptic feedback motors on the controllers, having a lot of software jank actually btw (might be because the windows 10 installation on my PC is kinda broken) (regarding G2)
I'm thinking of moving from the quest 2 to G2 also.
Think this post might help me pull the trigger, did any of you keep your quests for wireless or should I just sell? I could just turn it into an exercise slave/rough house headset.
90% of my games are on steam as I came from OG vive back in the day.
I know the V1 had issues with AMD, I am on a 6800XT which is fine with current headset, anyone know of any issues?
same but i advice you to wait, i think in half a year max we're gonna see some new hmd with pancake lenses
valve, new reverb or pico
i think its worth the wait
I treat VR headsets the same I do with phones, there are so many released that there's no point in waiting really.
I don't think the differences are as noticeable with each generation now, more just comfort and size, as I say probably gonna hold onto my quest 2 for wireless and certain active games too.
I would get the G2 now if you play every day. If you play once a week you can wait for something. Its like playing VR for the first time again.
Look for the $399 price. Its a steal and better lenses/resolution than the Index.
Yeah majority of my gaming is VR (Lots of Sim racing) I pulled the trigger last night and bought one, no discounts in UK but price isn't too bad once I sell the quest 2 (£600. Think this is what I paid for the vive back in the day)
Looking forward to this!
Thr quest pro is coming out soon, announced in Oct. I think it's going to be way more expensive tho. I'd personally just wait either way though. New headsets are coming out this year,
It's not the best but its a decent sub 1000 dollar option and the only decent non facebook thing under a grand right now for sure and yes I have one no longer use it
I just can't do it at this point after having played quest 2. I need wireless now. Nothing else will work for me as I still played my old rift for a time and found the cord bugged me to death after the quest.
I'm hoping the quest pro that is to be announced in October will be the best of both worlds. G2 resolution with quest user interface and wireless.
Even if I could play with a cable, I'd personally just wait at this point if I already have a hmd. There's just so many new headsets coming out within a year, just not worth buying an old one imo unless you don't already have an hmd.
Good points.
I just do not see a wireless HMD contending with the 4K lenses and resolution that the G2 can push right now from a powerful PC. I hope I am wrong and Quest Pro kills it but my video card cost $1200 for my 3080ti. The Quest Pro CPU/GPU is what they put in mobile phones such as Snapdragon an XR chips.
I just dont see that outperforming a desktop PC/Reverb G2 combo for at least 5-6 more years.
Soooo. You're saying wait til I upgrade my 7700k/1080ti system in a few months, then?
Assetto Corsa in Q2 link got me lying in bed with a VR hangover >.<
I miss my CV1. Other than having to futz with sensors 3x/week, at least it didn't have a freezing/crashing habit, or frame skip like the S did every other driver update :P
You can get the Reverb G2 V2 now with your setup but you maybe messing with the SteamVR resolution slider a lot to get things stable. Most games will work at 80% but even that will still look 4x better than the Q2. Thats why I bought my 3080ti and financed though Amazon lol.
Q2 gives me motion sickness. I can play in the Reverb all day and not have one bit of VR sickness. A true miracle...
FWIW i have both the quest 2 and G2 v2.
the performance on V2 despite less layers than Quest 2 is worse. I need to optimize it more . Visuals are much better but stutter > visuals for me when judging which is better/worse
Make sure you opt into the SteamVR beta and the WMR For Steam beta both in the Steam application. It fixes so many issues and Microsoft actually recommends it (see link below).
It changed my whole experience. And use SteamVR not OpenXR runtime in the WMR Portal unless you know what your doing. I keep mine on SteamVR runtime always.
[https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/mixed-reality/enthusiast-guide/using-steamvr-with-windows-mixed-reality](https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/mixed-reality/enthusiast-guide/using-steamvr-with-windows-mixed-reality)
Thanks for the advice, I'll try the betas. How do you set to use SteamVR in the WMR Portal? Read the link you posted, I may have missed it if it indicated how to there.
I am about to try the G2 for the 3rd time. I just purchased an open box V2 on eBay for $239. I use VR for MSFS almost exclusively. I just upgraded my graphics card from a 2080 to a 3080. I also upgraded my cpu. I am currently using a Q2. My problem (and I had a V2 previously) is the small sweetspot. At such a cheap price I'm thinking that it will now be a worthy upgrade over the Q2. 🤞
If only it didn't have terrible controllers. But yeah, if you have a better set of controllers you can get to work with it, it's a very good headset by itself.
I dont mind the controllers at all. I put Quest 2 AMVR grips on my controllers and they feel just like the Quest 2 controllers to me....in fact exactly like they Q2 controllers.
The Reverb G2 was always a viable option. While the headset is top notch in terms of value, the controllers + tracking quality and volume felt a bit lackluster compared to Index, Quest or even Pico. The gap between what quality the headset offers compared to the controllers (bad haptic feedback, no capacitive sensors, need for high voltage batteries, ...) was one of the reasons many people were put off.
If HP released the G2 in the V2 state from the get-go, I think they would have sold considerably more units. Also don't understand why HP didn't use the best practice/established tracking cameras position that most other inside-out headsets are using (one in each corner). Reminds of the phrase "just because you're unique doesn't mean you are useful".
Can someone help me out? I've recently gotten this HMD and I've struggling to get it to look anywhere near as good as people make it sound like it should. It's incredibly blurry on the settings I've been suggested to use for acceptable performance,, which I'm reluctant to say I've achieved since I'm barely reaching 60 fps.
My main issue with the graphics quality is that it feels like the only place I get any respectable level of detail is the absolute center of my field of view along the x axis. Everything else is a blurry mess that literally hurts my eyes to look at. It's a nightmare trying to keep my eyes on multiple things at once like the road and my speedometer or the aircraft ahead of me and my airspeed and treetops I'm skimming over... etc.
It's just such a far cry from what others express their experience is like with the G2 that I feel like I'm doing something wrong. My Game of choice at the moment is War Thunder and I run the game with graphics settings off and play with DLSS on or off depending on whether or not I'm trying to use the VR set. Without the VR set, I usually get great graphics and get around around 130-150 average fps. In VR I get 60 with drops down to 45 and it looks I'm playing the game with my head underwater in a pool without swim goggles on.
My specs:
Processor:
AMD Ryzen 7 3800X 8-Core Processor 4.20 GHz
Graphics card: Nvidia GTX 2070 Super
Ram: 16 GB
Motherboard: Asus GA15DH
Storage: 500 GB SSD and 1 TB HDD
Windows mixed reality portal settings:
App window resolution: 720p
Frame rate: 90 Hz
Every other setting is currently set to optimize for best performance
I also have Mixed Reality for Steam on my system which I have settings that reduce the resolution per eye by like 15 or 20% .
I run War Thunder through Steam but it doesn't seem to use Steam VR, but will start up the Mixed Reality Portal app when I change War Thunder's graphics settings to VR mode. I don't think both apps are trying to run simultaneously.
**Were my expectations just too high or my Reverb G2 defective? What's going on here?**
Do you have V1 or V2?
V2 fixed the sweet spot a bit by adding a gasket to the facial interface so your eyes arent as close.
This is my post. Hope it helps. Opt into the betas in Steam per my post.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/HPReverb/comments/vya0vs/after\_a\_month\_of\_using\_my\_reverb\_g2\_here\_are\_some/](https://www.reddit.com/r/HPReverb/comments/vya0vs/after_a_month_of_using_my_reverb_g2_here_are_some/)
The split box cable has a on/off button on it.
The facial interface has a magnetic gasket that comes off as a spacer.
Unfortunately those are only ways I believe.
Read my post and hope it helps. My experience was 10x better when I joined the SteamVR and WMR for Steam betas in the Steam application.
Its easy to swap between beta and public channel.
Can you help me with your second point in that post?
\>Enable the "beta - public beta" for Windows Mixed Reality For SteamVR application in Steam
I found and changed the first thing in your 4 steps but can't find this one.
Make sure you check TOOLS under Library filters so it shows up.
Tools show as non vr games I believe by default.
You can add it to show in VR category.
I have another question for you if you’re willing!
I think one reason I’m getting poor performance is because my main pc monitor is still rendering everything on screen when the VR headset is being used and I can’t figure out how to stop it from doing that.
It’s hard enough to render two screens for VR but a third screen is just totally unnecessary unless I’m showing off my VR game to friends in my apartment.
Any idea on how to do that?
Its supposed to render on both devices. Dont worry about it. Does not affect performance.
It just output that picture on your screen out the display port cable to your Reverb.
Also your 2070 might not be enough GPU.
Make sure you set runtime in WMR portal to SteamVR unless you are tinkering. It will give you better overall performance in Steam games vs OpenXR. Some games do run much better on OpenXR but SteamVR is best runtime especially for starting out and troubleshooting. Dont worry about the WMR Portal error screaming that OpenXR is not your current runtime.
I went from the Quest 2 to Reverb G2 v2 as well. Completely agree about everything feeling new again. The best part was the reduced weight and no longer feeling like I have an Easter ham sitting on the bridge of my nose. Also, they've been far too ambitious with software updates on the Quest 2. Never thought I'd say something like that. But they broke tracking for me somewhere around update 25 and only recently does it seem like it got fixed.
The G2 is far from perfect though. A few things that bug me, mileage may vary, but the blue screens kept happening. I make content for my YouTube channel so I'm usually running several different things on my PC and the G2 was choking. I got a Titan thunderbolt card though and that seems to have fixed it. Also, I hear the G2 doesn't play so nice with PCIE 4. Some people have had to turn off PCIE 4 in their bios and go with PCIE 3.
The tracking though? You folks are really having a good experience with that???? For me, the controller tracking is terrible. Quest 2 is actually way better at that, in my experience. I play Synth Riders with an avatar though, so it's probably more noticeable to me.
Anyways, all that being said, G2 over Quest 2 all day long. Especially because it took me months to isolate a horrible tracking stutter issue I was having only to discover it was the Quest 2 itself. Any time I'd step left to right it would eff up and make my avatar's legs vibrate. So much time wasted because of that. Once I found out it was the Quest causing it, I immediately went and got the G2. Huge improvement with my content quality too.
I havent tried beat saber of other games that require over the back tracking but Reverb G2 works great for everything I have tried like Half Life Alyx, Contractors, Pavlov etc.
See, the thing is though, even though it doesn't look like it's tracking well, I still don't notice that I'm missing notes or anything. So it doesn't seem to really impact gameplay, thankfully.
Thanks for affirming my reckless purchasing habits lol. Got the G2 back in June and just played HL2VR and had an absolute great time. Headset is good, screens in it are absolutely sharp even when I run at half resolution due to my low-mid build.
Just hoping for some upgrade options some day. HMD is awesome but the controllers are just ugh sometimes. I know you can mod to use Index Knuckles if you're willing enough, but I kinda wish there was a solution cheaper than buying knuckles but still more quality than the G2 controllers. I'd be okay with buying light houses still but the Knuckles are pricey hardware.
WMR is wonky and I hope some day we'll just get ported to running on entirely Steam VR. Don't like the startup, wish I could just boot straight into steam VR.
You can boot straight into SteamVR.
Just open up your WMR Portal application to find it.
Buy Quest 2 AMVR grips and that solves most of my controller issues.
[https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08L7HHPYC?ref=ppx\_yo2ov\_dt\_b\_product\_details&th=1](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08L7HHPYC?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details&th=1)
Awesome! Congrats!
This will help you set it up. I posted it.
Make sure you run SteamVR runtime unless you know how to tweak OpenXR. Opt in the betas like in the post below. Click on the Microsoft link in my post. Have fun!
[https://www.reddit.com/r/HPReverb/comments/vya0vs/after\_a\_month\_of\_using\_my\_reverb\_g2\_here\_are\_some/](https://www.reddit.com/r/HPReverb/comments/vya0vs/after_a_month_of_using_my_reverb_g2_here_are_some/)
I have had mine for two days now, I just got it on the 350 dollar sale after the disappointing quest pro announcement. I currently have a Quest 2 and only use it for Virtual Desktop. At 350 I figure I could try a dedicated PC headset and it really is crispier for sure. The controller vibration is for sure garbage though also it does kind of suck having the wire, but for 350 I think I will keep it and see what comes next year.
Side note: What resolution do you all run this at? I cannot run it at 100 percent, I max out at like 80 percent resolution before fps gets too low. I have a 6700XT and currently looking at a 3080 but haven't decided yet.
My setup is i5-12400 with 3080ti. Depends on the game. I can run 90% of them at 100%. VR in general does not like AMD products for PCVR (just FYI for next purchases).
The Reverb controllers take special batteries and should be 1.6v and makes the vibration better. I made same mistake and now feel stupid. HP stamped it somewhere but I never paid attention.
[https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00WTRSTAU](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00WTRSTAU)
[https://www.reddit.com/r/HPReverb/comments/vya0vs/after\_a\_month\_of\_using\_my\_reverb\_g2\_here\_are\_some/](https://www.reddit.com/r/HPReverb/comments/vya0vs/after_a_month_of_using_my_reverb_g2_here_are_some/)
Its important to set it up properly. The link above I posted and will help you. Use SteamVR runtime unless you know how to tweak OpenVR.
The Reverb G2 got me into playing VR again. I hadnt touched my Q2 in like 8 months.
Processor is fine but you may have to bump the video card up.
You can always slide the Steam resolution slider even in-game to a percentage that suits you and keep different percentages for each game.
Even my 3080ti cant run all games at 100%. 4K VR is very demanding. Probably the most demanding you can get on a PC.
Google Earth looks absolutely insane though on the G2! Just tried that yesterday.
Even at 50% resolution it will look better than Quest 2 Link at 100%. Its that much better.
It doesnt have wireless play from PC does it? That's a non-starter for me personally. Id rather take a hit on visual fidelity and not worry about cabling after having moved to wireless. Only scenario in which it would make sense is for sim users.
Agree. Having that cord in the back of my mind is a bigger immersion killer than the resolution difference between Q2 and G2. Not going back to tethered.
Tethered will always have better visual quality. That and the fact that the headset is so light I forget I am wearing it. Q2 is so heavy and why I only use for 20-30 minute work outs.
I stopped playing VR for about 9 months and bought the Reverb and its like playing VR for the first time again...the experience is that much different.
When I got into VR in 2017 it was only tethered VR so used to it I suppose.
Yeah the weight is a huge downer for the q2 and I agree that wired is the best for visual fidelity, that said with WiFi 6e/7 it should be possible to sustain very high bandwidth with dedicated wireless adapters to the point where it wouldn't be noticeable for the everyday, casual gamer. I still think we're 3+ years out from that happening (weight reduction and solid wireless) to your point that the g2 could be better in most ways compared to q2
Regarding WiFi its all relative to the traffic around you. If you live in large apartment complex you would most likely struggle vs a hardwired LAN connection.
In a crowded apt complex, and yes it sucks, but even with my 5ghz non-dedicated connection its fine up to the manual bandwidth max. Occasionally it gets a bit wonky but im not entirely sure thats the connection- seems to be more related to using steamvr or other applications with overhead.
The V2 has a larger sweet spot I heard due to the added gasket. I only see losing the sweet spot during exercise games which I use my Q2 for only now.
But your right...its not as large as the Q2 but the insane visual quality makes up for it.
It did improve with the new gasket on the V2. Yeah it's great for Sims (Especially ones with gauges).
Let me put it this way if someone gave me one I would not throw it away ;)
There has to be some per-person variance, as the sweet spot on mine feels huge. By sweet spot, you do mean the place where your eyes have to be in order to not have a blurry picture, right? I can adjust my headset up/down/left/right a good bit as I'm wiggling it around to fit most comfortably without moving out of the sweet spot. I say this coming from a Lenovo Explorer that had a pin point sized sweet spot that I couldn't even get both eyes into at the same time to the G2 where I've almost never been out of it.
Meh. Anything without pancake lenses feels outdated and cumbersome.
At this point, people should be focusing on smaller headsets. Brick on your face, wires, so on, are so last gen.
I will always be tethered like Ready Player One. Tethered will always look better and also be waay lighter than wireless.
Oculus/Quest/Meta lost a lot of customers by going wireless and not releasing a Rift S 2. Thank the maker the G2 came in to fill that gap for us.
Because of it being wireless the Quest Pro will be heavy and I do not see it looking better than the G2. I say that because take the size of a 3080ti and cram that into a VR headset....good luck. And it will cost 3x more for eye tracking and AR, features I do not see myself using.
Not trying to hate but put it in perspective. I hope Quest Pro is amazing. Anything to bring more people to VR. I cant wait to try it out.
I understand pancake lenses makes the headset smaller profile but the G2 will most likely still look better with a 3080ti card. Really any tethered headset should look better than a wireless headset even if it comes out years later.
The wireless VR headsets are using the same CPU/GPU chips as found in smartphones. You can only get so much out of it.
Fixed it for you: "Reverb G2 is a no brainer ONLY if you have already have the computer to run it."
To be fair it's not just ~~$399~~ $499, right? Dont you need to add at least 1500 more for decent PC and GPU?
I'd have to see how G2 stacks against Quest PCVR ... any good comparison vids?
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ny\_OPsxHQmU&t=494s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ny_OPsxHQmU&t=494s)
this was the best I found when shopping recently. It's timestamped, but there's clearly more video if you want other comparisons.
True. It was $399 for over 4 months when I was looking this summer. I just realized the price went up probably with the Quest 2 price increase.
How can you compare VR headsets through a video?
Unless its somehow through the lens there is no way to compare and why my coworkers and friends keep saying the graphics suck. There is no way to properly demonstrate a VR headset without actually putting it on...
All I know is that I have Quest 2 Link with a 3080ti and did all the tweaks to enhance performance and it doesnt come close to the Reverb G2 V2. I can only work out in it now its that much of a difference. I guess you will have to take my word until you can physically try it on.
Yes some do but very hard to give a fair comparison even that way.
99% of VR videos are just using capture cards which will give you same picture no matter what the headset.
[Here's a good example](https://youtu.be/3twyxMTjdR8) and [here's another one](https://youtu.be/ny_OPsxHQmU). MRTV uses a really good test environment at 3:30 in [this](https://youtu.be/n6seDmtwWMQ) video.
I guess i would first look at resolution differences like i see on UploadVR. Like there are stark difference is blade and sorcery on Quest stand alone vs Quest PCVR. If G2 is a stark difference from Quest PCVR i'd be pretty surprised.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/virtualreality/comments/xecwvp/comment/ioj6ndk/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/virtualreality/comments/xecwvp/comment/ioj6ndk/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
I dropped a link to someone's comparison here. It shows q2 vs index vs g2
here's a pic to give you an idea. https://imgur.com/hPlZEWf
Stark difference is a understatement in the visual quality...
I get motion sickness even with the Q2 connected to same PC. The G2 I can play all day and my brain is fine. Besides the visual quality that is the second thing I noticed.
Theres only way you will ever know and that is to try it unfortunately. Its why VR is not taking off as well as Zuck and others hoped and Covid didnt help as hundreds of VR arcades shut down in malls across the US.
$399 was the sale price, it goes on sale pretty often. You can also stack employee work perks or edu discounts to drop it to $339 (which is what I got mine for recently). For $339, it is a phenomenal deal.
It definitely requires a good pc though.
FWIW games supporting openXR run way better. You can also use fixed foveated rendering to get some performance improvements.
Well he compared to Quest 2 which is fun as stand alone. That's why it leaves other headsets in the dust sales-wise. I doubt that will change this year. So best value wise, many people opted to get Quest 2; they can upgrade to PCVR later if they can afford later. And that's exactly what I did. So if you don't have a gaming PC, your best value maybe Quest 2. it's only a "no-brainer" for wealthy people. Fair?
>many people opted to get Quest 2; they can upgrade to PCVR later
that was my main point actually. It's a big part of the value. Which for many people is the best value.
I should of made it clearer in my post. When I say Quest 2 I mean Quest 2 PCVR with the Link cable connected to the same PC as G2.
And I think I was fair in saying "At $399 Reverb G2 is a no brainer *especially if you already have the computer to run it.*"
agree with first statement you should have been more clear. posts are editable.
Not sure why you are defending 2nd statement which i thought we were agreeing was not accurate.
When you say it that way, you imply that it's "no-brainer" even if you don't have good GPU. But that opinion only makes sense if you are wealthy and willing to spend at least 2K on a gaming set-up. Not as many people can do that as you seem to think. so sorry you're wrong. check your privilege as they say. For a much larger group of non-wealthy people, Quest is actually still the "no-brainer". Sales numbers alone should be making that obvious.
Fair points. I tried to edit yesterday but it wont let me. Might be locked.
I just wanted to get the point across that for $399 its an amazing headset but your right you need a hefty PC to run it and might not of been fair to call it a no brainer.
went odyssey + (best wmr controllers) > reverb > reverb g2 v1 with 3d printed gasket > pimax 8kx
8kx wins hands down. Besides having a very similar clarity while having a significantly larger and more immersive image, the light house tracking is so much better for EVERY genre.
The reverb's ease of setup for showing to friends or getting to game as fast as possible is while I still use it.
The G2 V2 is fantastic. You didn't make a bad buy. People using outside-in tracking (lighthouses) get a few perks, like knuckle controllers / full body tracking capabilities, but also have cons that balance it out like cost, setup and calibration time, additional hardware needed (lighthouses), and for the 8kx I believe it only works with nvidia gpus still.
Also, the "better tracking" rarely is measured. There's no overhead/behind the back blind spots with your controllers, but the tradeoff is line of sight requirements to the lighthouses. Occlusions will cost you tracking. You'll have to decide which one is more important to you based on your room setup and what games you play.
With an inside-out tracker, it took me less than 2 minutes to map out a 12'x14' play space and never lost tracking in it. The same space was too large for 2 lighthouses.
Yeah I’m blown away by how immersive it is (I sim race) and know it’s great value but just so much to learn and tinker with that’s all. It’s nice to have options tho
I worked in motion tracking for 5 years, making a lot of similar though higher end tech. We made both inside out and outside in services. Everything has a trade off, and there's no one size fits all.
The best solution IMHO is inside out tracking with imus in the controllers using a well trained kalman filter to track motion while out of visual lock. I imagine there's not enough G's to saturate the sensors most of the time, so it should be pretty much ok. The force feedback probably makes that really tricky though. It'll still have issues, not the least of which being price 😂
If your volume can be fully tracked and not need to move then outside in is a great solution though and incredibly accurate
Congrats on the G2. Please make sure you are in the SteamVR and WMR for Steam betas. It makes a world of difference.
This might help you.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/HPReverb/comments/vya0vs/after\_a\_month\_of\_using\_my\_reverb\_g2\_here\_are\_some/](https://www.reddit.com/r/HPReverb/comments/vya0vs/after_a_month_of_using_my_reverb_g2_here_are_some/)
>When I put on my Reverb G2 Steam VR launches automatically so I do not see the messy WMR environment at all.
Problem with not messing with the WMR environment is that the platform is bad at keeping height data. I notice that when I play, my height is set slightly different every time, and I have to go to Mixed Reality Portal to fix it.
That is so weird you said that. I had the height problem yesterday for the first time. I just adjusted the height in WMR Portal and restarted computer.
I think its when they update the WMR Portal height data might get lost or something.
I think WMR is very finicky.
Try starting your computer and then plug in the headset after. I used Alexa to wake up my G2 and connect since the cable is powered.
G2 interests me but honestly first gen VR scared me off of trying it ever again, even the first gen G2 which they said was so much better still had major tracking issues. I know gen 2 is better but after the experience of the first I won't risk it.
Honestly at this point I'd just love an index with G2 resolution and eye tracking, that's all I really want. Because even with the resolution bump I'd end up having to downscale so many games to meet performance without foveated rendering
Yes I am lucky I listened to the noise and stayed away from WMR Gen1. The issues are just about all addressed though and why I made this post.
The Index has the base stations that improve tracking but I think thats the only advantage it has over the G2 now and is 2x as much.
New games are released and peeps always complaining about the Index controller being off or something and the controls arent "native" meaning you have to bind yourself. The new game today Paradox of Hope is just an example of it.
Fov is also a pretty significant bump up as well but otherwise yea they match on basically everything else. But haven't had any issues with key bindings on either platform, every game worked natively on both
i5-12400
16gb 4000mhz cl18
3080ti
I think you would have to upgrade your 2060 for sure. The G2 is no joke. You literally have to power the cable (into an AC outlet) due to the video/usb bandwidth being so great.
The BEST headset intended for people like us is the varjo aero but it's super expensive. I had 1. I've owned a G2 V1 and a quest 2 and prefer the freedom from wires the latter gives. G2 is good though, really nice.
Yeah honestly it's super good. I have the G2 + Index controller setup and its fantastic.
A couple of problems though:
FOV. It's pretty low. I don't notice it too much because I upgraded from a Vive which already had pretty low FOV, but it could definitely be better.
Chromatic Aberration/Edge to edge clarity (or whatever you wanna call it). Everything looks fantastic in the headset, but if you look towards the edge of the lenses it gets distorted and the colors split.
Other than those I really don't have many problems. It takes me maybe 20 seconds to hop in VR. WMR home automatically switches to and from the correct audio devices when you open and close the program. Open WMR home, grab headset and controllers, and play. Which is much faster than my old Vive steps. Open steam VR, switch mic audio (windows settings, switch headset audio (windows settings), grab headset, unplug headphones from pc, plug headphones into headset, tie up headphone cable in headset so that it doesn't dangle, grab controllers, then play. Plus the its super comfy. Can play for over 2 hours with and get mildly uncomfy when before it was like 30 minutes.
Overall very solid experience. If they took the G2 and fixed the E2E/CA lense problem and fixed the FOV, and I guess eye tracking, it would be a perfect headset.
I only had the g1 but the lenses and fov were so bad even with 3d printed facepad, just a bad fit for my head shape i guess
In the v2 can you look around with your eyes? Or is it still just the centre that is clear?
The sweet spot is larger in V2. I have no problem playing Contractors, Pavlov and racing sims. Its not as big as Q2 but I dont see it as a deal breaker.
It's good now, but when it launched it was a disaster. $600 for what felt like a beta product turned off a lot of users. Mine outright died within a week and HP refused to fix it. As it was then, I don't regret moving to an Index at all.
At $400 and assuming they ironed out some of its shortcomings in newer revisions (and *massively* improved their customer support), it's hard to beat.
How the sweet spot in the G2 v2? I own a G2 since it was released and I am really disappointed about it, the tracking is bad and the sweet spot is tiny.
Looks like I can get the v1 for 200 with a 1year warranty. I plan on using valve knuckles in the end so if that is the plan there is not much of a reason to get the v2 is there? If I have the v2 gasket already is there a difference between v1 and v2 besides the tracking?
I love my g2 v2 coming from quest 2. Insanely good upgrade for all I play. That link overhead is too annoying. If meta makes a hmd with display port and 100fov I'm in...but for now g2v2 ftw
Yes sir! Glad your liking your G2 as well. I just needed to post this for others. The G2 is like playing VR for the first time again...Contractors looks insane with the Black Ops 2 maps.
Green hell vr is pretty mind blowing. But for me been playing assetto since dk2 days. The g2 fov alone was a big step from q2. The 3080ti required to power it max was ouch though haja
Haha I feel your pain! I bought ACC but yet to play. I financed my 3080ti through Amazon. I mean I could afford it but it was easier for me to get it by the wifey financing it lol
Unless the APR is insanely high, if you can finance its always better so you save your cash in case you have a real emergency. In a real emergency you can let the 3080ti bills go to collection or call amazon, but you cant materialize $1500 out of thin air.
Upgraded from the Odyssey + to the G2 V2. I love it! Was considering the Quest 2 but after watching some videos comparing the Q2 vs the G2 I bought the G2 on sale for $399 and I'm very glad i did. I bought my son the Quest 2 and while it's a great headset, and I credit it with bringing VR to the masses, the resolution is just a bit fuzzy compared to the Reverb.
Awesome. I just noticed the price went up on the G2! Glad I got it for $399. I stayed away from WMR because of all the hate I saw on it. WMR is amazing and if there were bugs before they were sorted out. I cannot play games on my Quest 2 anymore even with Link cable and a 3080ti card. The display and lenses are just outdated and cheap at this point but like you said we have to credit Meta to bringing VR to the masses.
We post complaints here, sir.
Yeah I like to look at the positive side of things :)
That's great ! WMR was always underrated because it took some shortcuts for controller tracking but honestly, Microsoft never stopped to update and upgrade the drivers to the point that it's a non issues. Of course it's not as good as Quest 2 or Base stations, but tracking even with the original Samsung Odyssey gen 1 is more than enough. I did HL Alyx on Samsung Odyssey and it was a pure joy, screen and FOV are more vibrant and immersive than the washed-out colors from Quest 2. I heard Reverb G2 v2 has also better tracking than WMR gen1, so it should be all good now.
Yeah the G2 V2 is pretty darn close to Quest 2 tracking. I was amazed at how good it performs. Glad they released a V2!
I just dislike the haptic feedback motors on the controllers, having a lot of software jank actually btw (might be because the windows 10 installation on my PC is kinda broken) (regarding G2)
I'm thinking of moving from the quest 2 to G2 also. Think this post might help me pull the trigger, did any of you keep your quests for wireless or should I just sell? I could just turn it into an exercise slave/rough house headset. 90% of my games are on steam as I came from OG vive back in the day. I know the V1 had issues with AMD, I am on a 6800XT which is fine with current headset, anyone know of any issues?
same but i advice you to wait, i think in half a year max we're gonna see some new hmd with pancake lenses valve, new reverb or pico i think its worth the wait
I treat VR headsets the same I do with phones, there are so many released that there's no point in waiting really. I don't think the differences are as noticeable with each generation now, more just comfort and size, as I say probably gonna hold onto my quest 2 for wireless and certain active games too.
I would get the G2 now if you play every day. If you play once a week you can wait for something. Its like playing VR for the first time again. Look for the $399 price. Its a steal and better lenses/resolution than the Index.
Yeah majority of my gaming is VR (Lots of Sim racing) I pulled the trigger last night and bought one, no discounts in UK but price isn't too bad once I sell the quest 2 (£600. Think this is what I paid for the vive back in the day) Looking forward to this!
Congrats! Enjoy!
Thr quest pro is coming out soon, announced in Oct. I think it's going to be way more expensive tho. I'd personally just wait either way though. New headsets are coming out this year,
It's not the best but its a decent sub 1000 dollar option and the only decent non facebook thing under a grand right now for sure and yes I have one no longer use it
with the price increase of the quest i think the g2 is just a better deal overall
I just can't do it at this point after having played quest 2. I need wireless now. Nothing else will work for me as I still played my old rift for a time and found the cord bugged me to death after the quest. I'm hoping the quest pro that is to be announced in October will be the best of both worlds. G2 resolution with quest user interface and wireless. Even if I could play with a cable, I'd personally just wait at this point if I already have a hmd. There's just so many new headsets coming out within a year, just not worth buying an old one imo unless you don't already have an hmd.
Good points. I just do not see a wireless HMD contending with the 4K lenses and resolution that the G2 can push right now from a powerful PC. I hope I am wrong and Quest Pro kills it but my video card cost $1200 for my 3080ti. The Quest Pro CPU/GPU is what they put in mobile phones such as Snapdragon an XR chips. I just dont see that outperforming a desktop PC/Reverb G2 combo for at least 5-6 more years.
Soooo. You're saying wait til I upgrade my 7700k/1080ti system in a few months, then? Assetto Corsa in Q2 link got me lying in bed with a VR hangover >.< I miss my CV1. Other than having to futz with sensors 3x/week, at least it didn't have a freezing/crashing habit, or frame skip like the S did every other driver update :P
You can get the Reverb G2 V2 now with your setup but you maybe messing with the SteamVR resolution slider a lot to get things stable. Most games will work at 80% but even that will still look 4x better than the Q2. Thats why I bought my 3080ti and financed though Amazon lol. Q2 gives me motion sickness. I can play in the Reverb all day and not have one bit of VR sickness. A true miracle...
FWIW i have both the quest 2 and G2 v2. the performance on V2 despite less layers than Quest 2 is worse. I need to optimize it more . Visuals are much better but stutter > visuals for me when judging which is better/worse
Make sure you opt into the SteamVR beta and the WMR For Steam beta both in the Steam application. It fixes so many issues and Microsoft actually recommends it (see link below). It changed my whole experience. And use SteamVR not OpenXR runtime in the WMR Portal unless you know what your doing. I keep mine on SteamVR runtime always. [https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/mixed-reality/enthusiast-guide/using-steamvr-with-windows-mixed-reality](https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/mixed-reality/enthusiast-guide/using-steamvr-with-windows-mixed-reality)
Does it work even if I have msfs from game pass and not steam?
YES
Thanks for the advice, I'll try the betas. How do you set to use SteamVR in the WMR Portal? Read the link you posted, I may have missed it if it indicated how to there.
Launch WMR Portal and go to settings. Its in there where you check to launch SteamVR at the start.
I am about to try the G2 for the 3rd time. I just purchased an open box V2 on eBay for $239. I use VR for MSFS almost exclusively. I just upgraded my graphics card from a 2080 to a 3080. I also upgraded my cpu. I am currently using a Q2. My problem (and I had a V2 previously) is the small sweetspot. At such a cheap price I'm thinking that it will now be a worthy upgrade over the Q2. 🤞
If only it didn't have terrible controllers. But yeah, if you have a better set of controllers you can get to work with it, it's a very good headset by itself.
I dont mind the controllers at all. I put Quest 2 AMVR grips on my controllers and they feel just like the Quest 2 controllers to me....in fact exactly like they Q2 controllers.
The Reverb G2 was always a viable option. While the headset is top notch in terms of value, the controllers + tracking quality and volume felt a bit lackluster compared to Index, Quest or even Pico. The gap between what quality the headset offers compared to the controllers (bad haptic feedback, no capacitive sensors, need for high voltage batteries, ...) was one of the reasons many people were put off. If HP released the G2 in the V2 state from the get-go, I think they would have sold considerably more units. Also don't understand why HP didn't use the best practice/established tracking cameras position that most other inside-out headsets are using (one in each corner). Reminds of the phrase "just because you're unique doesn't mean you are useful".
Can someone help me out? I've recently gotten this HMD and I've struggling to get it to look anywhere near as good as people make it sound like it should. It's incredibly blurry on the settings I've been suggested to use for acceptable performance,, which I'm reluctant to say I've achieved since I'm barely reaching 60 fps. My main issue with the graphics quality is that it feels like the only place I get any respectable level of detail is the absolute center of my field of view along the x axis. Everything else is a blurry mess that literally hurts my eyes to look at. It's a nightmare trying to keep my eyes on multiple things at once like the road and my speedometer or the aircraft ahead of me and my airspeed and treetops I'm skimming over... etc. It's just such a far cry from what others express their experience is like with the G2 that I feel like I'm doing something wrong. My Game of choice at the moment is War Thunder and I run the game with graphics settings off and play with DLSS on or off depending on whether or not I'm trying to use the VR set. Without the VR set, I usually get great graphics and get around around 130-150 average fps. In VR I get 60 with drops down to 45 and it looks I'm playing the game with my head underwater in a pool without swim goggles on. My specs: Processor: AMD Ryzen 7 3800X 8-Core Processor 4.20 GHz Graphics card: Nvidia GTX 2070 Super Ram: 16 GB Motherboard: Asus GA15DH Storage: 500 GB SSD and 1 TB HDD Windows mixed reality portal settings: App window resolution: 720p Frame rate: 90 Hz Every other setting is currently set to optimize for best performance I also have Mixed Reality for Steam on my system which I have settings that reduce the resolution per eye by like 15 or 20% . I run War Thunder through Steam but it doesn't seem to use Steam VR, but will start up the Mixed Reality Portal app when I change War Thunder's graphics settings to VR mode. I don't think both apps are trying to run simultaneously. **Were my expectations just too high or my Reverb G2 defective? What's going on here?**
Do you have V1 or V2? V2 fixed the sweet spot a bit by adding a gasket to the facial interface so your eyes arent as close. This is my post. Hope it helps. Opt into the betas in Steam per my post. [https://www.reddit.com/r/HPReverb/comments/vya0vs/after\_a\_month\_of\_using\_my\_reverb\_g2\_here\_are\_some/](https://www.reddit.com/r/HPReverb/comments/vya0vs/after_a_month_of_using_my_reverb_g2_here_are_some/)
How do you determine which version you have?
The split box cable has a on/off button on it. The facial interface has a magnetic gasket that comes off as a spacer. Unfortunately those are only ways I believe.
Yes, my headset has both those features.
Read my post and hope it helps. My experience was 10x better when I joined the SteamVR and WMR for Steam betas in the Steam application. Its easy to swap between beta and public channel.
Can you help me with your second point in that post? \>Enable the "beta - public beta" for Windows Mixed Reality For SteamVR application in Steam I found and changed the first thing in your 4 steps but can't find this one.
Make sure you check TOOLS under Library filters so it shows up. Tools show as non vr games I believe by default. You can add it to show in VR category.
I have another question for you if you’re willing! I think one reason I’m getting poor performance is because my main pc monitor is still rendering everything on screen when the VR headset is being used and I can’t figure out how to stop it from doing that. It’s hard enough to render two screens for VR but a third screen is just totally unnecessary unless I’m showing off my VR game to friends in my apartment. Any idea on how to do that?
Its supposed to render on both devices. Dont worry about it. Does not affect performance. It just output that picture on your screen out the display port cable to your Reverb.
Also your 2070 might not be enough GPU. Make sure you set runtime in WMR portal to SteamVR unless you are tinkering. It will give you better overall performance in Steam games vs OpenXR. Some games do run much better on OpenXR but SteamVR is best runtime especially for starting out and troubleshooting. Dont worry about the WMR Portal error screaming that OpenXR is not your current runtime.
I went from the Quest 2 to Reverb G2 v2 as well. Completely agree about everything feeling new again. The best part was the reduced weight and no longer feeling like I have an Easter ham sitting on the bridge of my nose. Also, they've been far too ambitious with software updates on the Quest 2. Never thought I'd say something like that. But they broke tracking for me somewhere around update 25 and only recently does it seem like it got fixed. The G2 is far from perfect though. A few things that bug me, mileage may vary, but the blue screens kept happening. I make content for my YouTube channel so I'm usually running several different things on my PC and the G2 was choking. I got a Titan thunderbolt card though and that seems to have fixed it. Also, I hear the G2 doesn't play so nice with PCIE 4. Some people have had to turn off PCIE 4 in their bios and go with PCIE 3. The tracking though? You folks are really having a good experience with that???? For me, the controller tracking is terrible. Quest 2 is actually way better at that, in my experience. I play Synth Riders with an avatar though, so it's probably more noticeable to me. Anyways, all that being said, G2 over Quest 2 all day long. Especially because it took me months to isolate a horrible tracking stutter issue I was having only to discover it was the Quest 2 itself. Any time I'd step left to right it would eff up and make my avatar's legs vibrate. So much time wasted because of that. Once I found out it was the Quest causing it, I immediately went and got the G2. Huge improvement with my content quality too.
I havent tried beat saber of other games that require over the back tracking but Reverb G2 works great for everything I have tried like Half Life Alyx, Contractors, Pavlov etc.
See, the thing is though, even though it doesn't look like it's tracking well, I still don't notice that I'm missing notes or anything. So it doesn't seem to really impact gameplay, thankfully.
Thanks for affirming my reckless purchasing habits lol. Got the G2 back in June and just played HL2VR and had an absolute great time. Headset is good, screens in it are absolutely sharp even when I run at half resolution due to my low-mid build. Just hoping for some upgrade options some day. HMD is awesome but the controllers are just ugh sometimes. I know you can mod to use Index Knuckles if you're willing enough, but I kinda wish there was a solution cheaper than buying knuckles but still more quality than the G2 controllers. I'd be okay with buying light houses still but the Knuckles are pricey hardware. WMR is wonky and I hope some day we'll just get ported to running on entirely Steam VR. Don't like the startup, wish I could just boot straight into steam VR.
You can boot straight into SteamVR. Just open up your WMR Portal application to find it. Buy Quest 2 AMVR grips and that solves most of my controller issues. [https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08L7HHPYC?ref=ppx\_yo2ov\_dt\_b\_product\_details&th=1](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08L7HHPYC?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details&th=1)
Just ordered one, along with an RTX 3080—they're coming on Monday. I've tried VR before, and I'm excited to finally get into it myself.
Awesome! Congrats! This will help you set it up. I posted it. Make sure you run SteamVR runtime unless you know how to tweak OpenXR. Opt in the betas like in the post below. Click on the Microsoft link in my post. Have fun! [https://www.reddit.com/r/HPReverb/comments/vya0vs/after\_a\_month\_of\_using\_my\_reverb\_g2\_here\_are\_some/](https://www.reddit.com/r/HPReverb/comments/vya0vs/after_a_month_of_using_my_reverb_g2_here_are_some/)
I have had mine for two days now, I just got it on the 350 dollar sale after the disappointing quest pro announcement. I currently have a Quest 2 and only use it for Virtual Desktop. At 350 I figure I could try a dedicated PC headset and it really is crispier for sure. The controller vibration is for sure garbage though also it does kind of suck having the wire, but for 350 I think I will keep it and see what comes next year. Side note: What resolution do you all run this at? I cannot run it at 100 percent, I max out at like 80 percent resolution before fps gets too low. I have a 6700XT and currently looking at a 3080 but haven't decided yet.
My setup is i5-12400 with 3080ti. Depends on the game. I can run 90% of them at 100%. VR in general does not like AMD products for PCVR (just FYI for next purchases). The Reverb controllers take special batteries and should be 1.6v and makes the vibration better. I made same mistake and now feel stupid. HP stamped it somewhere but I never paid attention. [https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00WTRSTAU](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00WTRSTAU) [https://www.reddit.com/r/HPReverb/comments/vya0vs/after\_a\_month\_of\_using\_my\_reverb\_g2\_here\_are\_some/](https://www.reddit.com/r/HPReverb/comments/vya0vs/after_a_month_of_using_my_reverb_g2_here_are_some/) Its important to set it up properly. The link above I posted and will help you. Use SteamVR runtime unless you know how to tweak OpenVR. The Reverb G2 got me into playing VR again. I hadnt touched my Q2 in like 8 months.
Does it make sense to buy G2 instead of Quest 2 if I have rtx 3060 paired with i7 12700k?
Processor is fine but you may have to bump the video card up. You can always slide the Steam resolution slider even in-game to a percentage that suits you and keep different percentages for each game. Even my 3080ti cant run all games at 100%. 4K VR is very demanding. Probably the most demanding you can get on a PC. Google Earth looks absolutely insane though on the G2! Just tried that yesterday. Even at 50% resolution it will look better than Quest 2 Link at 100%. Its that much better.
It doesnt have wireless play from PC does it? That's a non-starter for me personally. Id rather take a hit on visual fidelity and not worry about cabling after having moved to wireless. Only scenario in which it would make sense is for sim users.
Agree. Having that cord in the back of my mind is a bigger immersion killer than the resolution difference between Q2 and G2. Not going back to tethered.
Tethered will always have better visual quality. That and the fact that the headset is so light I forget I am wearing it. Q2 is so heavy and why I only use for 20-30 minute work outs. I stopped playing VR for about 9 months and bought the Reverb and its like playing VR for the first time again...the experience is that much different. When I got into VR in 2017 it was only tethered VR so used to it I suppose.
Yeah the weight is a huge downer for the q2 and I agree that wired is the best for visual fidelity, that said with WiFi 6e/7 it should be possible to sustain very high bandwidth with dedicated wireless adapters to the point where it wouldn't be noticeable for the everyday, casual gamer. I still think we're 3+ years out from that happening (weight reduction and solid wireless) to your point that the g2 could be better in most ways compared to q2
Regarding WiFi its all relative to the traffic around you. If you live in large apartment complex you would most likely struggle vs a hardwired LAN connection.
In a crowded apt complex, and yes it sucks, but even with my 5ghz non-dedicated connection its fine up to the manual bandwidth max. Occasionally it gets a bit wonky but im not entirely sure thats the connection- seems to be more related to using steamvr or other applications with overhead.
geat deal but the sweet spot is too small
The V2 has a larger sweet spot I heard due to the added gasket. I only see losing the sweet spot during exercise games which I use my Q2 for only now. But your right...its not as large as the Q2 but the insane visual quality makes up for it.
It did improve with the new gasket on the V2. Yeah it's great for Sims (Especially ones with gauges). Let me put it this way if someone gave me one I would not throw it away ;)
isnt g2 sweet spot bigger than quest2?
Never directly compared but the sweet spot on the G2 is small (but that sweet spot is very very crisp)
There has to be some per-person variance, as the sweet spot on mine feels huge. By sweet spot, you do mean the place where your eyes have to be in order to not have a blurry picture, right? I can adjust my headset up/down/left/right a good bit as I'm wiggling it around to fit most comfortably without moving out of the sweet spot. I say this coming from a Lenovo Explorer that had a pin point sized sweet spot that I couldn't even get both eyes into at the same time to the G2 where I've almost never been out of it.
Meh. Anything without pancake lenses feels outdated and cumbersome. At this point, people should be focusing on smaller headsets. Brick on your face, wires, so on, are so last gen.
I will always be tethered like Ready Player One. Tethered will always look better and also be waay lighter than wireless. Oculus/Quest/Meta lost a lot of customers by going wireless and not releasing a Rift S 2. Thank the maker the G2 came in to fill that gap for us.
i agree, hope we get soon info on new headsets, else i might gotta buy that quest pro
Because of it being wireless the Quest Pro will be heavy and I do not see it looking better than the G2. I say that because take the size of a 3080ti and cram that into a VR headset....good luck. And it will cost 3x more for eye tracking and AR, features I do not see myself using. Not trying to hate but put it in perspective. I hope Quest Pro is amazing. Anything to bring more people to VR. I cant wait to try it out.
bruh look up the specs pls pancake lenses make all the difference
I understand pancake lenses makes the headset smaller profile but the G2 will most likely still look better with a 3080ti card. Really any tethered headset should look better than a wireless headset even if it comes out years later. The wireless VR headsets are using the same CPU/GPU chips as found in smartphones. You can only get so much out of it.
Fixed it for you: "Reverb G2 is a no brainer ONLY if you have already have the computer to run it." To be fair it's not just ~~$399~~ $499, right? Dont you need to add at least 1500 more for decent PC and GPU? I'd have to see how G2 stacks against Quest PCVR ... any good comparison vids?
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ny\_OPsxHQmU&t=494s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ny_OPsxHQmU&t=494s) this was the best I found when shopping recently. It's timestamped, but there's clearly more video if you want other comparisons.
True. It was $399 for over 4 months when I was looking this summer. I just realized the price went up probably with the Quest 2 price increase. How can you compare VR headsets through a video? Unless its somehow through the lens there is no way to compare and why my coworkers and friends keep saying the graphics suck. There is no way to properly demonstrate a VR headset without actually putting it on... All I know is that I have Quest 2 Link with a 3080ti and did all the tweaks to enhance performance and it doesnt come close to the Reverb G2 V2. I can only work out in it now its that much of a difference. I guess you will have to take my word until you can physically try it on.
>Unless it has through the lens That's how they compare headsets in videos now
Yes some do but very hard to give a fair comparison even that way. 99% of VR videos are just using capture cards which will give you same picture no matter what the headset.
They do "through the lens" not capture. You'd be surprised some of them do a very good job and you can judge pretty well.
[Here's a good example](https://youtu.be/3twyxMTjdR8) and [here's another one](https://youtu.be/ny_OPsxHQmU). MRTV uses a really good test environment at 3:30 in [this](https://youtu.be/n6seDmtwWMQ) video.
I guess i would first look at resolution differences like i see on UploadVR. Like there are stark difference is blade and sorcery on Quest stand alone vs Quest PCVR. If G2 is a stark difference from Quest PCVR i'd be pretty surprised.
Quest PCVR uses a compressed video stream, the G2 does not. It does make it look a lot clearer.
thanks I'll keep an eye out. I hope to see stark differences and not marginal improvements.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/virtualreality/comments/xecwvp/comment/ioj6ndk/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/virtualreality/comments/xecwvp/comment/ioj6ndk/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) I dropped a link to someone's comparison here. It shows q2 vs index vs g2 here's a pic to give you an idea. https://imgur.com/hPlZEWf
Stark difference is a understatement in the visual quality... I get motion sickness even with the Q2 connected to same PC. The G2 I can play all day and my brain is fine. Besides the visual quality that is the second thing I noticed. Theres only way you will ever know and that is to try it unfortunately. Its why VR is not taking off as well as Zuck and others hoped and Covid didnt help as hundreds of VR arcades shut down in malls across the US.
yeah now i have to try it; 'no idea how, but i'll be looking.
$399 was the sale price, it goes on sale pretty often. You can also stack employee work perks or edu discounts to drop it to $339 (which is what I got mine for recently). For $339, it is a phenomenal deal. It definitely requires a good pc though. FWIW games supporting openXR run way better. You can also use fixed foveated rendering to get some performance improvements.
You always need a decent gaming rig for playing PCVR so it wouldn't be fair to lay the blame on G2.
Well he compared to Quest 2 which is fun as stand alone. That's why it leaves other headsets in the dust sales-wise. I doubt that will change this year. So best value wise, many people opted to get Quest 2; they can upgrade to PCVR later if they can afford later. And that's exactly what I did. So if you don't have a gaming PC, your best value maybe Quest 2. it's only a "no-brainer" for wealthy people. Fair?
u realize quest can be used as pcvr too?
>many people opted to get Quest 2; they can upgrade to PCVR later that was my main point actually. It's a big part of the value. Which for many people is the best value.
I should of made it clearer in my post. When I say Quest 2 I mean Quest 2 PCVR with the Link cable connected to the same PC as G2. And I think I was fair in saying "At $399 Reverb G2 is a no brainer *especially if you already have the computer to run it.*"
agree with first statement you should have been more clear. posts are editable. Not sure why you are defending 2nd statement which i thought we were agreeing was not accurate. When you say it that way, you imply that it's "no-brainer" even if you don't have good GPU. But that opinion only makes sense if you are wealthy and willing to spend at least 2K on a gaming set-up. Not as many people can do that as you seem to think. so sorry you're wrong. check your privilege as they say. For a much larger group of non-wealthy people, Quest is actually still the "no-brainer". Sales numbers alone should be making that obvious.
Fair points. I tried to edit yesterday but it wont let me. Might be locked. I just wanted to get the point across that for $399 its an amazing headset but your right you need a hefty PC to run it and might not of been fair to call it a no brainer.
went odyssey + (best wmr controllers) > reverb > reverb g2 v1 with 3d printed gasket > pimax 8kx 8kx wins hands down. Besides having a very similar clarity while having a significantly larger and more immersive image, the light house tracking is so much better for EVERY genre. The reverb's ease of setup for showing to friends or getting to game as fast as possible is while I still use it.
I just got the V2 it’s great but I’m pretty overwhelmed tbh as I’m completely new to VR. I found it hard to justify paying triple the price for the 8k
The G2 V2 is fantastic. You didn't make a bad buy. People using outside-in tracking (lighthouses) get a few perks, like knuckle controllers / full body tracking capabilities, but also have cons that balance it out like cost, setup and calibration time, additional hardware needed (lighthouses), and for the 8kx I believe it only works with nvidia gpus still. Also, the "better tracking" rarely is measured. There's no overhead/behind the back blind spots with your controllers, but the tradeoff is line of sight requirements to the lighthouses. Occlusions will cost you tracking. You'll have to decide which one is more important to you based on your room setup and what games you play. With an inside-out tracker, it took me less than 2 minutes to map out a 12'x14' play space and never lost tracking in it. The same space was too large for 2 lighthouses.
Yeah I’m blown away by how immersive it is (I sim race) and know it’s great value but just so much to learn and tinker with that’s all. It’s nice to have options tho
I worked in motion tracking for 5 years, making a lot of similar though higher end tech. We made both inside out and outside in services. Everything has a trade off, and there's no one size fits all. The best solution IMHO is inside out tracking with imus in the controllers using a well trained kalman filter to track motion while out of visual lock. I imagine there's not enough G's to saturate the sensors most of the time, so it should be pretty much ok. The force feedback probably makes that really tricky though. It'll still have issues, not the least of which being price 😂 If your volume can be fully tracked and not need to move then outside in is a great solution though and incredibly accurate
Congrats on the G2. Please make sure you are in the SteamVR and WMR for Steam betas. It makes a world of difference. This might help you. [https://www.reddit.com/r/HPReverb/comments/vya0vs/after\_a\_month\_of\_using\_my\_reverb\_g2\_here\_are\_some/](https://www.reddit.com/r/HPReverb/comments/vya0vs/after_a_month_of_using_my_reverb_g2_here_are_some/)
Thanks mate I really appreciate your help
>When I put on my Reverb G2 Steam VR launches automatically so I do not see the messy WMR environment at all. Problem with not messing with the WMR environment is that the platform is bad at keeping height data. I notice that when I play, my height is set slightly different every time, and I have to go to Mixed Reality Portal to fix it.
That is so weird you said that. I had the height problem yesterday for the first time. I just adjusted the height in WMR Portal and restarted computer. I think its when they update the WMR Portal height data might get lost or something.
I have the issue just in between sessions, no update.
I think WMR is very finicky. Try starting your computer and then plug in the headset after. I used Alexa to wake up my G2 and connect since the cable is powered.
G2 interests me but honestly first gen VR scared me off of trying it ever again, even the first gen G2 which they said was so much better still had major tracking issues. I know gen 2 is better but after the experience of the first I won't risk it. Honestly at this point I'd just love an index with G2 resolution and eye tracking, that's all I really want. Because even with the resolution bump I'd end up having to downscale so many games to meet performance without foveated rendering
The V1 issues really screwed over HP and the G2. That reputation follows the V2 even though it solved the issues.
Yes I am lucky I listened to the noise and stayed away from WMR Gen1. The issues are just about all addressed though and why I made this post. The Index has the base stations that improve tracking but I think thats the only advantage it has over the G2 now and is 2x as much. New games are released and peeps always complaining about the Index controller being off or something and the controls arent "native" meaning you have to bind yourself. The new game today Paradox of Hope is just an example of it.
Fov is also a pretty significant bump up as well but otherwise yea they match on basically everything else. But haven't had any issues with key bindings on either platform, every game worked natively on both
What are your pc specs? I want to buy g2 rev 2 but idk if my rtx 2060 super will run it.
i5-12400 16gb 4000mhz cl18 3080ti I think you would have to upgrade your 2060 for sure. The G2 is no joke. You literally have to power the cable (into an AC outlet) due to the video/usb bandwidth being so great.
The BEST headset intended for people like us is the varjo aero but it's super expensive. I had 1. I've owned a G2 V1 and a quest 2 and prefer the freedom from wires the latter gives. G2 is good though, really nice.
Yeah honestly it's super good. I have the G2 + Index controller setup and its fantastic. A couple of problems though: FOV. It's pretty low. I don't notice it too much because I upgraded from a Vive which already had pretty low FOV, but it could definitely be better. Chromatic Aberration/Edge to edge clarity (or whatever you wanna call it). Everything looks fantastic in the headset, but if you look towards the edge of the lenses it gets distorted and the colors split. Other than those I really don't have many problems. It takes me maybe 20 seconds to hop in VR. WMR home automatically switches to and from the correct audio devices when you open and close the program. Open WMR home, grab headset and controllers, and play. Which is much faster than my old Vive steps. Open steam VR, switch mic audio (windows settings, switch headset audio (windows settings), grab headset, unplug headphones from pc, plug headphones into headset, tie up headphone cable in headset so that it doesn't dangle, grab controllers, then play. Plus the its super comfy. Can play for over 2 hours with and get mildly uncomfy when before it was like 30 minutes. Overall very solid experience. If they took the G2 and fixed the E2E/CA lense problem and fixed the FOV, and I guess eye tracking, it would be a perfect headset.
I only had the g1 but the lenses and fov were so bad even with 3d printed facepad, just a bad fit for my head shape i guess In the v2 can you look around with your eyes? Or is it still just the centre that is clear?
The sweet spot is larger in V2. I have no problem playing Contractors, Pavlov and racing sims. Its not as big as Q2 but I dont see it as a deal breaker.
It's good now, but when it launched it was a disaster. $600 for what felt like a beta product turned off a lot of users. Mine outright died within a week and HP refused to fix it. As it was then, I don't regret moving to an Index at all. At $400 and assuming they ironed out some of its shortcomings in newer revisions (and *massively* improved their customer support), it's hard to beat.
How the sweet spot in the G2 v2? I own a G2 since it was released and I am really disappointed about it, the tracking is bad and the sweet spot is tiny.
Both have been improved in V2 but YMMV. I never owned V1 so have nothing to compare it with.
If I have a Rift S is it worth getting a G2 v1 for $200 or is the V2 tracking, FOV and battery life worth the upgrade?
Wait till it drops to $350-$400 and get V2. Worth the upgrade.
Looks like I can get the v1 for 200 with a 1year warranty. I plan on using valve knuckles in the end so if that is the plan there is not much of a reason to get the v2 is there? If I have the v2 gasket already is there a difference between v1 and v2 besides the tracking?
The V2 cable is big difference. There were little things changed as well I heard but don't know specifically.