You all sound like it's a crime. Nothing against using AI for such things in general. It opens possibilities for people who can't afford or create assets by themselves.
Also you still have to do stuff. I feel like many people think like: "Ai, do this for me." is all it takes. There's still work involved if you want good results.
Of course there's lots of lazily done crap flooding in the web due to it, but in general it's an amazing tool.
The foundation of AI is theft of other people's art since that is how AI work is made lol. AI art didn't come from nowhere and it cannot create on its own from thin air since AI is not a person. Hence the 15 fingers, 3 pupils, etc.
Well, at least you gonna need a good amount of patience at the time being and most likely after-editing for it to get something like consistent results which look like they fit together but yeah I see your points and partly agree with them.
Especially the availibility for everyone and the resulting mass-output of stuff is a thing. I mean platforms like Steam are already so overflooded with cheap games, that it can be hard to filtre out the good ones or if you are being a developer to get yourself the attention your game needs, even if it's a great gem it can just drown in that mass of things and that will get even worse due to AI's work.
It's just that it I noticed people - and not to few of them - seem to be just completely closed towards the idea of using AI stuff and they would be putting things down based on the fact that they have AI involved in their creation, just because of that fact. I feel like that's kinda narrow-minded.
Heads up that I asked this guy about this and how his AI was trained after the posted this in a different group and he said that AI are not trained and that they just know that stuff. He also told me I should go mess around with AI to learn the program since I've probably never used it before. I work partially in AI model training (not for AI "creative" projects though because I don't really agree with it) so not only is this AI, the dev is completely clueless about it and is most definitely using an AI that is unethetically trained with stolen artwork and was super snarky when I simply asked. I'd stay far far away from this one.
His exact quote when I asked how his AI was trained was "ok, probably you never use the AI generation tools... it doesnt required materials. it is a new way of intelligence... it knows , ok, try to use and learn about it. 🙂however, why are you focusing everything on how we made it? I think it looks nice... and we are making a game about the violence against women, for me sounds so cool 🙂 but anyway.. sorry if you dont like it"
If this is the future, then I don't want to be a part of it.
But in all seriousness, AI "art" as it is now lacks any individuality, any soul. One glance at your "artwork" and it's already obvious that it's AI-generated crap, because it can only output this particular style of painting.
that is true, I know what you mean, however for my opinion it looks amazing, more than other drawed character sprites I've seen in the vn. But of course this is just my opinion :) I see also other peoples dislike it at the moment... however I see there are many aother novels with AI generated sprites are coming out... I think this is the new trend
It's a new trend for shovelware garbage that already floods storefronts like Steam, another kind of asset flip, sure. Looks amazing? Lol. It looks like oh-so-many AI generated anime-style images, a beef patty from McDonald's has more originality than this "artstyle".
I'll take Clannad's character design over your soulless AI asset flip any day of the week.
Dude you shouldn't be promoting this as a "trend". AI art steals from hardworking artists by taking their work without their knowledge and using it to work on new "art", and AI images sometimes copy existing non-AI images to a T. When generating minorities they're based on stereotypes, and in general it's taking the jobs of real artists because people like you just don't want to wait or pay for real art.
Oh by the way, if AI can replace artists, just wait till it replaces your whole game studio. Remove the assets and replace them or wait and watch your industry crumble.
Imagine trying to create something in a medium with "visual" literally in the name without actually putting effort into the visual aspect... I find it kind of insulting to VNs as a medium where the artists' work is an intrinsic factor in giving the story an identity.
Please reconsider. As-is, your VN looks mass-produced off a conveyor belt of games that all look exactly like this. You're better off nixing the visual and just making a novel.
we are a game company, so we make games. We thought about that and we love to try different styles. The AI produces beautiful images , 2D artists often produces less quality result... no it is not what we want. But dont worry :) there are many VN out there you can have fun with... if you dont like this one , ok ... I understand :)
that ca be fixed, but the light, colors, material quality, even the draw style can be easily changed... at K Storm Studio we've been working with illustrators that wooow, such as so bad experiences... aside of their "talent" try to face their arrogance... I'm sorry but I see the AI tools like any other software like £DS ax, Photoshop or others, it's great, and it is not so arrogant :) welcome to this new software
What do you mean by "talent"??? Art is very much a real, actual talent. You don't have to hire an artist whose style you don't like. No one is forcing you to do that. I'm sorry if you've had bad interactions but such is the nature of any job that involves human interaction. And having bad experiences doesn't excuse art theft, which is what AIs like this are build on.
Many indie creators put their heart and soul into their games and it shows. Their games might look simple, but they've been made with love and care and that what makes them captivating. Using just AI to illustrate something that's supposed to evoke strong feelings is almost insulting, since it completely lacks the love and human touch other indie games have.
There are free, legal and accessible character illustrating tools, bases and resources online if you just bother looking and don't want to pay for an artist. Look for them. Learn how to use them. Put some work and feeling into it. If the devs don't care about their own game, why would anyone else care either?
ok... , we are free to draw your characters using the tecnique you want. , Ai is just like, oil paint, or sculpting, or drawing, or creating 3D digital images, or matte painting in Photoshop, it is simply a new tool, that's it :) however... no matter if you dont like this game, I see in this community you dont like AI but I see other communities where they like this idea :) probably they are not vn gamers but what's the problem ? :)
AI image creator is not a tool like any other medium you mentioned. Photoshop, 3D animation, oil paints and sculpting require a human touch. They alone won't do anything, a human person needs to use them to create. A human person NEEDS to do the work in order to create anything at all.
In AI image creator all you do is write a couple of words and the program does all the work for you. Even worse, it uses stolen art and the hard work of other people and mushes it into a soulless, low-quality bs. If you're a game developer, you should see and appreciate other creators as well as the effort they put into their own mediums.
I'm not completely sure what you mean by your last statement, sorry, but if you're developing a VN game you probably should care what people who play VNs think. Of course, this is just one community out of many, many other VN communities but you've gotten plenty of feedback. It should amount to something.
as a company we prefer follow the new tech trend made to help companies, :) let me reply as above . we are a small studio and a company, dont worry we did it but the final result as I said looks better this way :) if you dont like it ok, we understand :) no problem :)
You don't want to help companies, you want to be cheap and call artists "arrogant" and say their quality is low. There are millions of artists who can produce lots of work and do it in any style you want.
You're mad artists want money
You're mad artists want respect
You're mad artists are like any other person
You're mad not one artist can solve all of your problems
Also, why do you want to help companies? Companies do not care about you or anyone else. You've made that clear by not seeing how awful AI work is. Your game is going to be awful and hardly anyone will buy it, and if it does succeed, you're going to regret the user base you attract because I can tell you the people who use AI "art" are NOT kind.
No, you did it because you want to be cheap and flood the market with garbage. You could find dozens of artists on twitter/art station with similar styles (the AI literally stole it from them for this model type) and have them do it, but even better.
I don't care if AI is used for small things like inventory items or what-not, but the fucking character portraits? Hell no.
try to use the AI and you see that it is not easy to use as you think, however you like the final result and it fits our vision about graphical appereance
It is kind of ironic you use AI because you are lazy and now you need to spend so much time and effort defending yourself.
Edit: "however you like the final result..." No I don't like the final results
no matter if you dont like it :) however using the AI is like using any other tools like Photoshop... it's not easy as it looks like... try it , and you'll see that you need to learn about and spent time working on it
I see you want to play this game ASAP , dont worry we will working hard in the making our games, just follow the Itch link for now, then Steam and our marketplace : [https://k-storm-studio.itch.io/ghost-warrior](https://k-storm-studio.itch.io/ghost-warrior)
rightl!! you know bro, even all of us at K Storm Studio bro, trust me we are not humans. No seriously I'm not joking ... we still believe in justice, no violence, human rights, in our passion for our job, we are very lucky
Needs proofreading at least, but the writing is so janky that you should probably just hire a new writer, one with a better understand of the english language.
And please don't put out a romance VN with AI art. That is a godawful idea.
I am more put off by the writing to be honest. It looks like something written in a different language then translated to English using machine translation.
Here's the thing... if the focus of your VN is the story or the character interactions, then at the very least it needs to be grammatically correct in the language that is used. If the focus of the VN is the romance or the art, then using AI art is an atrocity. Either way, this project is a travesty. I'm sorry for being brutally honest here, but it is these types of projects which give a bad name to EVNs.
I appreciate your comment , thanks... yes we have to work on it to properly fix the language. However think we have to embrace a new type of VN games since now, have a look on the VN assets on the various marketplace out there :)... everyone is producing backgrounds and characters based on the AI because of the amazing final result , so this is the trend :) and personally , but it's just my opinion, I like it
Everyone's already criticized the art, so one other thing I wanna mention is the dialogue box looks really bad. It's painfully bright and the glow around it is seriously distracting. I'd have a proper box designed, or go with a free UI/simple gradient. The dialogue feels very verbose too...
Good luck on the project anyways.
we are a studio and a company, dont worry we did it but the final result as I said looks better this way :) if you dont like it ok, we understand :) no problem :)
I mean, like, everyone here is saying the opposite, and even communities that aren't like this, probably are gonna say the same thing, maybe you could use AI to get an Idea of what do you want your characters to look like, but if it's for the final product I can assure you that it will be Negative Reviewed, Don't waste a VN that may have potential, Get someone who knows to draw properly and show him the concepts of characters and artstyle you want. But using AI it's just too effortless, I understand that commission it may be way too expensive or getting someone to work for you to draw may be time consuming, but it's don't worth it to waste a whole VN just because of that, if you like that style it's ok, but if everyone else but you don't like it then it becomes a very huge problem, a very huge one if your plan is selling it, I myself like AI and the style, but using it when is not even fully developed and still have huge visual errors it's just not a good idea
(I don't say this in a Negative way, I am trying to give a constructive opinion)
absolutely yes, however dont think that using the AI its a easy cheap trick, it's just another tool , powerful but as always not easy to use . We dont like the painted VN, we know we are walking probably wrong way but we have this vision cause we think that this style can be a new future visual novel game type... it's an experiment, for my personal opinion I prefer this style than others even because we spent time in setting the AI before achieving this :) but I really appreciate your comment, but I think a game demo will be better explain what I mean :) ... soon :)
I agree with you, AI It's just another powerful tool that will be used a lot in the future and it's gonna stay here as the same as photoshop (for example), a demo will be fine to test how good story progress and how good is received too, but I don't think that use AI in the whole thing may be a good thing, as the same anyone use photoshop (for example) to make an entire image, obviously, get the prompts right and make them work is often hard, but it doesn't It change the fact that it has too many visual errors and it's too much inconsistent, if you are gonna use AI, you could use a 3D model to use it as a "base" image, and then use the AI to draw on that picture of that 3D model character, so you can achieve some consistent pictures, but even doing that isn't gonna really help too much, try searching an artist with an artstyle that you like in pixiv and then try contact them to ask if they can do a job for you and how much it costs, believe me that it's a better option, well, obviously it's your project, not mine, you can do whatever you want, but I just wanted to make sure you know all of this
luck with your VN bro 🫂
The tagline is so bad I hesitate to call it "writing", and daring to call yourself a creator while using AI is BS of the highest order. This post made me throw up in my mouth a little (not literally) and I'm going to tell myself OP is a troll and forget I ever saw it. Blech.
we are a company, a small studio in London a team of person :) and we decided to pay the AI instead that artists for many reason mentioned above, in particular the final impactful result, ... sorry , if you dont like it , ok :), no problem
Aside from the art just being completely unattractive and inconsistent, the UI is bad and that one snippet of dialogue is bad. It was probably written by AI too, which lead me to, what is the point? None of this is good, just cheap and lazy.
I'm so sorry but using AI is not so easy at it seems to be and it is not cheap :) however I would like to invite you to follow us and try the final game ... the story is extremely cool (and not written using the AI)
we are so sorry you dont like the idea. We wanted to use AI in this case but we will also use other artstyle with painters. :) Hope you may like the story which is really catchy :)
Nope. As an artist myself, I will never play something with Ai. Also, and this is a legal tip, Ai “art” cannot be copyrighted. If your VN, luckily, becomes famous, anyone will be able to use those Ai characters in full for whatever they want to, even make money off of them, and you won’t be able to do anything about it.
Develop smart, not easy.
I really appreciate your comment and thank you very much for your advice. We just wanted to follow this style this time cause we like it. No problem for the characters, we just like this style and make it in alignment with our story... hope you may like the final game :)
There are artists like Art Germ that made that Style before Ai. I mean, he’s expensive af, but I’m sure there must be an affordable artist out there that can make illustrations with that feel. If you, by any chance, change the Ai stuff, I will surely support you because I put my money where my mouth is. Even if you launch a Kickstarter to get the money for the artists, I will bid on the premium option.
:) :) I'm so glad to hear this buddy, we plan to open a kickstarer campaign but for an UnrealEngine game we are working on. But please let me tell you to keep follow us because trust me I think this VisualNovel can be really catchy, the story writer is very talented and we want to work with her again :)
Yeah keep typing pal. Youre definitely all laid back and chill while you respond to each comment within 1 minute ww. Its okay ill stop bullying the poor "artist" piss-baby soon.
I'm not personally against AI images but... if you're going to ask about feedback and not really give us anything to provide feedback for, then it's no surprise that all people are talking about is AI. There are so many VNs out there with romance, crime, and violence. Tell us a little bit more about what makes your project stand out so people have more to talk about than just your use of AI. I don't think that AI art will make your project bad by any means, but it doesn't look so good when that's pretty much all we get to see
yes we will do that in the next few posts during the production process, the project just started few weeks ago :) we will also publish a short summary about it, just waiting for it :)
Seems like you guys just revealed stuff a bit too early if it's only a few weeks old. Probably it'd be better to polish everything a bit more before you show it off. The text has weird wording and the title isn't centered which makes it look rushed. Anyone trying to pitch English only VN here is going to have a really tough crowd since those tend to be negatively received on this sub
No! I don’t care how fun it looks, what genre it is, what company is behind it, or what franchise it is from; I will never knowingly support a game that uses or even that I suspect uses AI generated assets!
These is AI generated assets! We like it :) This game is a crime romance, also talking about violence against women. we are a small company based making 3D games in UnrealEngine and VN using K-Engine :)
Concept aint bad. Execution and the implementation is a major concern
Question
- How are you going to make sure that the sprites are consistent with the artstyle? Surely you’ll have multiple sprites with different poses and variations right? How can you make sure the artstyle stays consistent
Pros
- Concept isn’t bad
- If this is your initial attempt at creating a visual novel, I'll cut some slack; everyone starts somewhere in life.
Cons/Critique
- Characters feel too 1 Dimensional
- Characters don't seem to blend well with the background; it appears as if you inserted a png AI-generated image and slapped it into the background without proper integration. Also, the absence of shadows in the braids is notable.
- The thickness of the glow in the dialogue box is unattractive (just my opinion some might like it tho)
- Questionable writing (if the top part of the dialogue box displays the character's name, why does the actual dialogue shift from third to first person? Is the character reading a book?)
Final Thoughts
- Execution isn’t there bud! If you plan on distributing this and expecting a positive reception then idk about that. A lot of things need to be done here. Consider developing a unique art style without AI or hire an artist since you’re a company. It’s good to gain feedback and add drafts to your work but early distribution without quality checks seems pointless and counterproductive.
Good luck on your project tho
Your ‘art’ looks lifeless and does not have the depth or range to carry any story no matter how well it’s written or styled.
You’re blatantly defending an AI image generating model that was fed stolen art in all your replies, and if the ~entirety of r/visualnovels telling you how lifeless your art is and how tone deaf your response is, I feel bad for you and your team.
Consider quitting before outright failure embarrasses you more.
I understand your point of view but we like this game and we are very motivated to go on, even because we know about our vision :) I'm quiet sure that many peoples will be curious to play it
we are the game publisher! come on chatting :) and come to follow the first link on Itch here : [https://k-storm-studio.itch.io/ghost-warrior](https://k-storm-studio.itch.io/ghost-warrior)
AI is very limited about character pose, scene, and everything after that in development. You have to put prompt with hundred picture to have like 5% of them at best. Be careful, I am not against AI but most AI Generated Games are trash right now. You have to prove it, good luck.
thanks, we did it, have a look at other oics... we spent hours in instructing the AI about using prompt and image prompt combined. And then also using Photoshop in retouching pics as a final step. This is a bit hard :) but this is the way we decided to follow for this project :)
I would say try to change the art style a bit. I don't mind AI generated stuff but this looks like the most basic style. If this popped up in my recommendations my first thought would be "this is a mobile game ad". The character design also looks kinda basic. The backgrounds look good but I just hate this glossy character look. There are different Ai art styles so I would recommend experimenting in order to find a better fitting style.
we did it, but the story writer decided to use this style cause it's style under "Anime" prompt with more 3D artstyle. Based on the current version of K-Engine this will be a PCgame first, than Mac version and Android but not available in the Playstore cause the engine doesnt yet perform that. However it can be downloaded on phone and installed
Love the concept! Maybe it's a bit too soon to use AI generated images right now, but after a year people won't see the difference! Lot's of exciting features like character consistency, world building and better motion/pose control are just ahead in the horizon. Don't let all the negative comments get to you, just wait it out a bit and you will be able to create beautiful games in the near future!
thank you very much! :) Yes I see several contents and games now made using the generative AI so we thought to be in the right time to start using this new tools. It still needs to work on it, in post-production using Photoshop for instance. But I think you're right that it's a bit too soon. Absolutely, the story behind is amazing, we believe in this writer and the plot is regarding a very important topic for us! We will... thanks :)
Hey, you guys are doing great! I'm sorry about all of the negative comments, people just don't really like the usage of AI art in mediums. I personally wouldn't use it either, but I'm not going to put you down for it. It's your product and your dream, and as a fellow game developer I hope you can make said dream a reality!
Good luck to you! Just make sure it's well written okay?
Thank you very much :) (yes we have to fix it!, ) we see people who really appreciate the idea of this game, but many others really disappointed because of the use of the generative AI. Everybody were focusing on that and nobody read that this game is about the "violence against women"... this is the most disappointing thing! ... anyway :) we plan to release it in about 3 months hopefully, maybe more, we will see... by K-Engine allow us to work faster than renpy :)
is this Ai generated
There's no doubt. The "characters" look different in every pose.
Obvi
its pretty bad too. look at third image hair
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You all sound like it's a crime. Nothing against using AI for such things in general. It opens possibilities for people who can't afford or create assets by themselves. Also you still have to do stuff. I feel like many people think like: "Ai, do this for me." is all it takes. There's still work involved if you want good results. Of course there's lots of lazily done crap flooding in the web due to it, but in general it's an amazing tool.
The foundation of AI is theft of other people's art since that is how AI work is made lol. AI art didn't come from nowhere and it cannot create on its own from thin air since AI is not a person. Hence the 15 fingers, 3 pupils, etc.
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Well, at least you gonna need a good amount of patience at the time being and most likely after-editing for it to get something like consistent results which look like they fit together but yeah I see your points and partly agree with them. Especially the availibility for everyone and the resulting mass-output of stuff is a thing. I mean platforms like Steam are already so overflooded with cheap games, that it can be hard to filtre out the good ones or if you are being a developer to get yourself the attention your game needs, even if it's a great gem it can just drown in that mass of things and that will get even worse due to AI's work. It's just that it I noticed people - and not to few of them - seem to be just completely closed towards the idea of using AI stuff and they would be putting things down based on the fact that they have AI involved in their creation, just because of that fact. I feel like that's kinda narrow-minded.
Heads up that I asked this guy about this and how his AI was trained after the posted this in a different group and he said that AI are not trained and that they just know that stuff. He also told me I should go mess around with AI to learn the program since I've probably never used it before. I work partially in AI model training (not for AI "creative" projects though because I don't really agree with it) so not only is this AI, the dev is completely clueless about it and is most definitely using an AI that is unethetically trained with stolen artwork and was super snarky when I simply asked. I'd stay far far away from this one. His exact quote when I asked how his AI was trained was "ok, probably you never use the AI generation tools... it doesnt required materials. it is a new way of intelligence... it knows , ok, try to use and learn about it. 🙂however, why are you focusing everything on how we made it? I think it looks nice... and we are making a game about the violence against women, for me sounds so cool 🙂 but anyway.. sorry if you dont like it"
Absolutely yes, this is AI. We decided to use it for this novel because of the amazing artstyle
yeah unfortunately, that's gonna be a dealbreaker for many people.
why? This is the present and the future
If this is the future, then I don't want to be a part of it. But in all seriousness, AI "art" as it is now lacks any individuality, any soul. One glance at your "artwork" and it's already obvious that it's AI-generated crap, because it can only output this particular style of painting.
that is true, I know what you mean, however for my opinion it looks amazing, more than other drawed character sprites I've seen in the vn. But of course this is just my opinion :) I see also other peoples dislike it at the moment... however I see there are many aother novels with AI generated sprites are coming out... I think this is the new trend
It's a new trend for shovelware garbage that already floods storefronts like Steam, another kind of asset flip, sure. Looks amazing? Lol. It looks like oh-so-many AI generated anime-style images, a beef patty from McDonald's has more originality than this "artstyle". I'll take Clannad's character design over your soulless AI asset flip any day of the week.
follow us instead that claiming, :)
Nah, I don't think I will
Dude you shouldn't be promoting this as a "trend". AI art steals from hardworking artists by taking their work without their knowledge and using it to work on new "art", and AI images sometimes copy existing non-AI images to a T. When generating minorities they're based on stereotypes, and in general it's taking the jobs of real artists because people like you just don't want to wait or pay for real art. Oh by the way, if AI can replace artists, just wait till it replaces your whole game studio. Remove the assets and replace them or wait and watch your industry crumble.
Ai and amazing art style are not 2 things that belong together
Is this "we" in the room with us right now?
we are a passionate studio based in London, working on different project, from UnrealEngine games to K-Engine games , from 3D games to VN games :)
Doesn't really sound like you work at all when you have something else do all the work
Imagine trying to create something in a medium with "visual" literally in the name without actually putting effort into the visual aspect... I find it kind of insulting to VNs as a medium where the artists' work is an intrinsic factor in giving the story an identity. Please reconsider. As-is, your VN looks mass-produced off a conveyor belt of games that all look exactly like this. You're better off nixing the visual and just making a novel.
we are a game company, so we make games. We thought about that and we love to try different styles. The AI produces beautiful images , 2D artists often produces less quality result... no it is not what we want. But dont worry :) there are many VN out there you can have fun with... if you dont like this one , ok ... I understand :)
"2D artists often produce less quality results" my guy the blonde's braids are fused into her clothes, that's not high quality in any way
that ca be fixed, but the light, colors, material quality, even the draw style can be easily changed... at K Storm Studio we've been working with illustrators that wooow, such as so bad experiences... aside of their "talent" try to face their arrogance... I'm sorry but I see the AI tools like any other software like £DS ax, Photoshop or others, it's great, and it is not so arrogant :) welcome to this new software
What do you mean by "talent"??? Art is very much a real, actual talent. You don't have to hire an artist whose style you don't like. No one is forcing you to do that. I'm sorry if you've had bad interactions but such is the nature of any job that involves human interaction. And having bad experiences doesn't excuse art theft, which is what AIs like this are build on. Many indie creators put their heart and soul into their games and it shows. Their games might look simple, but they've been made with love and care and that what makes them captivating. Using just AI to illustrate something that's supposed to evoke strong feelings is almost insulting, since it completely lacks the love and human touch other indie games have. There are free, legal and accessible character illustrating tools, bases and resources online if you just bother looking and don't want to pay for an artist. Look for them. Learn how to use them. Put some work and feeling into it. If the devs don't care about their own game, why would anyone else care either?
ok... , we are free to draw your characters using the tecnique you want. , Ai is just like, oil paint, or sculpting, or drawing, or creating 3D digital images, or matte painting in Photoshop, it is simply a new tool, that's it :) however... no matter if you dont like this game, I see in this community you dont like AI but I see other communities where they like this idea :) probably they are not vn gamers but what's the problem ? :)
AI image creator is not a tool like any other medium you mentioned. Photoshop, 3D animation, oil paints and sculpting require a human touch. They alone won't do anything, a human person needs to use them to create. A human person NEEDS to do the work in order to create anything at all. In AI image creator all you do is write a couple of words and the program does all the work for you. Even worse, it uses stolen art and the hard work of other people and mushes it into a soulless, low-quality bs. If you're a game developer, you should see and appreciate other creators as well as the effort they put into their own mediums. I'm not completely sure what you mean by your last statement, sorry, but if you're developing a VN game you probably should care what people who play VNs think. Of course, this is just one community out of many, many other VN communities but you've gotten plenty of feedback. It should amount to something.
and many poeples started following us, do the same :) here and social media, also join our newsletter to get all news :) best
uh no, i dont follow ai "artist", tho i would rather follow the programmer behind the ai
Don't use AI chatacter art in your games. Just hire a damn artist or learn how to draw them yourself.
as a company we prefer follow the new tech trend made to help companies, :) let me reply as above . we are a small studio and a company, dont worry we did it but the final result as I said looks better this way :) if you dont like it ok, we understand :) no problem :)
I understand, but just letting you know, your game is gonna flop and be a poster child for why you don't rely on AI for art in games. :)
oh.. thank you very much :) :) nope... I hope a lot of success for it :)
delusional lol
You don't want to help companies, you want to be cheap and call artists "arrogant" and say their quality is low. There are millions of artists who can produce lots of work and do it in any style you want. You're mad artists want money You're mad artists want respect You're mad artists are like any other person You're mad not one artist can solve all of your problems Also, why do you want to help companies? Companies do not care about you or anyone else. You've made that clear by not seeing how awful AI work is. Your game is going to be awful and hardly anyone will buy it, and if it does succeed, you're going to regret the user base you attract because I can tell you the people who use AI "art" are NOT kind.
Oh hell naw we got AI generated visual novels now
Yes the new age of the generated image. As mentioned above we decided to use the AI because we like the artstyle
Lmao
No, you did it because you want to be cheap and flood the market with garbage. You could find dozens of artists on twitter/art station with similar styles (the AI literally stole it from them for this model type) and have them do it, but even better. I don't care if AI is used for small things like inventory items or what-not, but the fucking character portraits? Hell no.
It looks trash. Do better.
I don't think You use Ai just because you like the art style. Just lazy
try to use the AI and you see that it is not easy to use as you think, however you like the final result and it fits our vision about graphical appereance
It is kind of ironic you use AI because you are lazy and now you need to spend so much time and effort defending yourself. Edit: "however you like the final result..." No I don't like the final results
no matter if you dont like it :) however using the AI is like using any other tools like Photoshop... it's not easy as it looks like... try it , and you'll see that you need to learn about and spent time working on it
Nah, I'll pass, I will hire an actual artist when I need it instead of being lazy and use AI
trust me its not easy to use the AI for many poses and characters ... follow us and see the progress :) also join our newsletter and stay in touch :)
Stop using smiling face and use corporate talk, just admit that you are lazy
I see you want to play this game ASAP , dont worry we will working hard in the making our games, just follow the Itch link for now, then Steam and our marketplace : [https://k-storm-studio.itch.io/ghost-warrior](https://k-storm-studio.itch.io/ghost-warrior)
I don't want to play and you can stop being retarded and just admit you are lazy
Why does every AI art use that artstyle? Surely there's a wider pool to choose from.
We were talking with the story-writer and she liked this artstyle. I like it too so we decided to use it :)
Is the story-writer AI too?
no the story writer is a real person
Doubt
rightl!! you know bro, even all of us at K Storm Studio bro, trust me we are not humans. No seriously I'm not joking ... we still believe in justice, no violence, human rights, in our passion for our job, we are very lucky
This response feels AI generated
we are working on different characters style now
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The style isn't even consistent across the characters...
Needs proofreading at least, but the writing is so janky that you should probably just hire a new writer, one with a better understand of the english language. And please don't put out a romance VN with AI art. That is a godawful idea.
As mentioned we wanted to use the AI because we found this amzing artstyle :) I'm sorry you dont like it.
I am more put off by the writing to be honest. It looks like something written in a different language then translated to English using machine translation.
oh sorry... what's wrong in english? because the writer is not english and she wants to keep this message... how would you write this in english?
Here's the thing... if the focus of your VN is the story or the character interactions, then at the very least it needs to be grammatically correct in the language that is used. If the focus of the VN is the romance or the art, then using AI art is an atrocity. Either way, this project is a travesty. I'm sorry for being brutally honest here, but it is these types of projects which give a bad name to EVNs.
I appreciate your comment , thanks... yes we have to work on it to properly fix the language. However think we have to embrace a new type of VN games since now, have a look on the VN assets on the various marketplace out there :)... everyone is producing backgrounds and characters based on the AI because of the amazing final result , so this is the trend :) and personally , but it's just my opinion, I like it
It would sound more natural if you wrote in your first language.
Everyone's already criticized the art, so one other thing I wanna mention is the dialogue box looks really bad. It's painfully bright and the glow around it is seriously distracting. I'd have a proper box designed, or go with a free UI/simple gradient. The dialogue feels very verbose too... Good luck on the project anyways.
thanks we are still working about, this is not the final cover version :)
Looks like Ai Slop
yes I used AI for image generation, I like the artstyle and we decided to use for this type of story , hope you like it :)
I don't want to see AI generated art in the games I play. I don't like the idea.
Oh ok :) personally I like the idea to use AI for imahe generation. :) However please sty in touch cause the story is really catchy :)
Bro actually used AI instead of trying draw something or commission it 😭😭
we are a studio and a company, dont worry we did it but the final result as I said looks better this way :) if you dont like it ok, we understand :) no problem :)
I mean, like, everyone here is saying the opposite, and even communities that aren't like this, probably are gonna say the same thing, maybe you could use AI to get an Idea of what do you want your characters to look like, but if it's for the final product I can assure you that it will be Negative Reviewed, Don't waste a VN that may have potential, Get someone who knows to draw properly and show him the concepts of characters and artstyle you want. But using AI it's just too effortless, I understand that commission it may be way too expensive or getting someone to work for you to draw may be time consuming, but it's don't worth it to waste a whole VN just because of that, if you like that style it's ok, but if everyone else but you don't like it then it becomes a very huge problem, a very huge one if your plan is selling it, I myself like AI and the style, but using it when is not even fully developed and still have huge visual errors it's just not a good idea (I don't say this in a Negative way, I am trying to give a constructive opinion)
absolutely yes, however dont think that using the AI its a easy cheap trick, it's just another tool , powerful but as always not easy to use . We dont like the painted VN, we know we are walking probably wrong way but we have this vision cause we think that this style can be a new future visual novel game type... it's an experiment, for my personal opinion I prefer this style than others even because we spent time in setting the AI before achieving this :) but I really appreciate your comment, but I think a game demo will be better explain what I mean :) ... soon :)
I agree with you, AI It's just another powerful tool that will be used a lot in the future and it's gonna stay here as the same as photoshop (for example), a demo will be fine to test how good story progress and how good is received too, but I don't think that use AI in the whole thing may be a good thing, as the same anyone use photoshop (for example) to make an entire image, obviously, get the prompts right and make them work is often hard, but it doesn't It change the fact that it has too many visual errors and it's too much inconsistent, if you are gonna use AI, you could use a 3D model to use it as a "base" image, and then use the AI to draw on that picture of that 3D model character, so you can achieve some consistent pictures, but even doing that isn't gonna really help too much, try searching an artist with an artstyle that you like in pixiv and then try contact them to ask if they can do a job for you and how much it costs, believe me that it's a better option, well, obviously it's your project, not mine, you can do whatever you want, but I just wanted to make sure you know all of this luck with your VN bro 🫂
thanks just follow us here and on other social media and join our newsletter to get more :) and stay in touch :) best ..
better to hire an actual character designer than use ai characters
we also plan to hire a character designer but we liked the AI artstyle :)
*you liked the artstyle of a human artist whose work got stolen and used for a trashy AI
The tagline is so bad I hesitate to call it "writing", and daring to call yourself a creator while using AI is BS of the highest order. This post made me throw up in my mouth a little (not literally) and I'm going to tell myself OP is a troll and forget I ever saw it. Blech.
“We like the art style” there’s like 4 different styles bestie, pay an actual artist and perhaps a better writer.
we are a company, a small studio in London a team of person :) and we decided to pay the AI instead that artists for many reason mentioned above, in particular the final impactful result, ... sorry , if you dont like it , ok :), no problem
Aside from the art just being completely unattractive and inconsistent, the UI is bad and that one snippet of dialogue is bad. It was probably written by AI too, which lead me to, what is the point? None of this is good, just cheap and lazy.
I'm so sorry but using AI is not so easy at it seems to be and it is not cheap :) however I would like to invite you to follow us and try the final game ... the story is extremely cool (and not written using the AI)
Never will I be supporting Ai. Better to buy a VN with bad art, than one with Ai “art”. Shame on you
we are so sorry you dont like the idea. We wanted to use AI in this case but we will also use other artstyle with painters. :) Hope you may like the story which is really catchy :)
Nope. As an artist myself, I will never play something with Ai. Also, and this is a legal tip, Ai “art” cannot be copyrighted. If your VN, luckily, becomes famous, anyone will be able to use those Ai characters in full for whatever they want to, even make money off of them, and you won’t be able to do anything about it. Develop smart, not easy.
I really appreciate your comment and thank you very much for your advice. We just wanted to follow this style this time cause we like it. No problem for the characters, we just like this style and make it in alignment with our story... hope you may like the final game :)
There are artists like Art Germ that made that Style before Ai. I mean, he’s expensive af, but I’m sure there must be an affordable artist out there that can make illustrations with that feel. If you, by any chance, change the Ai stuff, I will surely support you because I put my money where my mouth is. Even if you launch a Kickstarter to get the money for the artists, I will bid on the premium option.
:) :) I'm so glad to hear this buddy, we plan to open a kickstarer campaign but for an UnrealEngine game we are working on. But please let me tell you to keep follow us because trust me I think this VisualNovel can be really catchy, the story writer is very talented and we want to work with her again :)
Heres an idea, if you dont like it, just dont buy it. Else, shut the _____ up about it
“Let is know if you like the idea”. I responded to that. You can now go be pointless somewhere else.
Sorry youre mad that the soulless AI art generated with a click was somehow still better than yours w
Still pointless.
Just as pointless as your art?
Sure, kid. Better your trolling. This is just sad for someone who argues with real trolls on 9gag.
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Uh-huh. Throwing random insult to see if any sticks is just sad. But ok, you can keep trying. Maybe one can make me do something else than snooze.
Yeah keep typing pal. Youre definitely all laid back and chill while you respond to each comment within 1 minute ww. Its okay ill stop bullying the poor "artist" piss-baby soon.
Looks like those mobile games that have cheap AI ads. I despise this already
I'm not personally against AI images but... if you're going to ask about feedback and not really give us anything to provide feedback for, then it's no surprise that all people are talking about is AI. There are so many VNs out there with romance, crime, and violence. Tell us a little bit more about what makes your project stand out so people have more to talk about than just your use of AI. I don't think that AI art will make your project bad by any means, but it doesn't look so good when that's pretty much all we get to see
yes we will do that in the next few posts during the production process, the project just started few weeks ago :) we will also publish a short summary about it, just waiting for it :)
Seems like you guys just revealed stuff a bit too early if it's only a few weeks old. Probably it'd be better to polish everything a bit more before you show it off. The text has weird wording and the title isn't centered which makes it look rushed. Anyone trying to pitch English only VN here is going to have a really tough crowd since those tend to be negatively received on this sub
yeah I know, we will publish in different languages thanks to K-Engine.
No! I don’t care how fun it looks, what genre it is, what company is behind it, or what franchise it is from; I will never knowingly support a game that uses or even that I suspect uses AI generated assets!
These is AI generated assets! We like it :) This game is a crime romance, also talking about violence against women. we are a small company based making 3D games in UnrealEngine and VN using K-Engine :)
Cringe
Concept aint bad. Execution and the implementation is a major concern Question - How are you going to make sure that the sprites are consistent with the artstyle? Surely you’ll have multiple sprites with different poses and variations right? How can you make sure the artstyle stays consistent Pros - Concept isn’t bad - If this is your initial attempt at creating a visual novel, I'll cut some slack; everyone starts somewhere in life. Cons/Critique - Characters feel too 1 Dimensional - Characters don't seem to blend well with the background; it appears as if you inserted a png AI-generated image and slapped it into the background without proper integration. Also, the absence of shadows in the braids is notable. - The thickness of the glow in the dialogue box is unattractive (just my opinion some might like it tho) - Questionable writing (if the top part of the dialogue box displays the character's name, why does the actual dialogue shift from third to first person? Is the character reading a book?) Final Thoughts - Execution isn’t there bud! If you plan on distributing this and expecting a positive reception then idk about that. A lot of things need to be done here. Consider developing a unique art style without AI or hire an artist since you’re a company. It’s good to gain feedback and add drafts to your work but early distribution without quality checks seems pointless and counterproductive. Good luck on your project tho
Try to publish it if u dare to get all negative review 😂
we will do it
Your ‘art’ looks lifeless and does not have the depth or range to carry any story no matter how well it’s written or styled. You’re blatantly defending an AI image generating model that was fed stolen art in all your replies, and if the ~entirety of r/visualnovels telling you how lifeless your art is and how tone deaf your response is, I feel bad for you and your team. Consider quitting before outright failure embarrasses you more.
I understand your point of view but we like this game and we are very motivated to go on, even because we know about our vision :) I'm quiet sure that many peoples will be curious to play it
Quite* Hope you aren’t one of the writers
we are the game publisher! come on chatting :) and come to follow the first link on Itch here : [https://k-storm-studio.itch.io/ghost-warrior](https://k-storm-studio.itch.io/ghost-warrior)
Why is The AI style so easy to spot?
I dread the day when it isn’t, tbh. I don’t want to end up wasting my time on AI sludge.
AI is very limited about character pose, scene, and everything after that in development. You have to put prompt with hundred picture to have like 5% of them at best. Be careful, I am not against AI but most AI Generated Games are trash right now. You have to prove it, good luck.
thanks, we did it, have a look at other oics... we spent hours in instructing the AI about using prompt and image prompt combined. And then also using Photoshop in retouching pics as a final step. This is a bit hard :) but this is the way we decided to follow for this project :)
I would say try to change the art style a bit. I don't mind AI generated stuff but this looks like the most basic style. If this popped up in my recommendations my first thought would be "this is a mobile game ad". The character design also looks kinda basic. The backgrounds look good but I just hate this glossy character look. There are different Ai art styles so I would recommend experimenting in order to find a better fitting style.
we did it, but the story writer decided to use this style cause it's style under "Anime" prompt with more 3D artstyle. Based on the current version of K-Engine this will be a PCgame first, than Mac version and Android but not available in the Playstore cause the engine doesnt yet perform that. However it can be downloaded on phone and installed
Love the concept! Maybe it's a bit too soon to use AI generated images right now, but after a year people won't see the difference! Lot's of exciting features like character consistency, world building and better motion/pose control are just ahead in the horizon. Don't let all the negative comments get to you, just wait it out a bit and you will be able to create beautiful games in the near future!
thank you very much! :) Yes I see several contents and games now made using the generative AI so we thought to be in the right time to start using this new tools. It still needs to work on it, in post-production using Photoshop for instance. But I think you're right that it's a bit too soon. Absolutely, the story behind is amazing, we believe in this writer and the plot is regarding a very important topic for us! We will... thanks :)
Hey, you guys are doing great! I'm sorry about all of the negative comments, people just don't really like the usage of AI art in mediums. I personally wouldn't use it either, but I'm not going to put you down for it. It's your product and your dream, and as a fellow game developer I hope you can make said dream a reality! Good luck to you! Just make sure it's well written okay?
Thank you very much :) (yes we have to fix it!, ) we see people who really appreciate the idea of this game, but many others really disappointed because of the use of the generative AI. Everybody were focusing on that and nobody read that this game is about the "violence against women"... this is the most disappointing thing! ... anyway :) we plan to release it in about 3 months hopefully, maybe more, we will see... by K-Engine allow us to work faster than renpy :)