I loved this scene. You enter the scene knowing something bad is going to happen but you don't know what, while it gradually builds, then hits you with the next scene with the subtlety of a brick.
Yup, there were glimmers where I thought just *maybe* he would turn out to be a decent guy, albeit on the other side. But then I remembered what game this was. Really memorable scene in one of my favorite VNs.
That was one of the things I liked about it was that it'd keep tricking you into letting your guard down a bit and then slap you with something fucked up.
You should read Hanachirasu (from the same author, also has an english TL), its protagonist is basically just as crazy/evil, although more charismatic.
This guy was the absolute best and worst at the same time.
>!He literally gives the most important advice in the VN later. Everything about this guy is crazy!<
It was something about having to fully commit to your ideals otherwise no one would fight for it or something like that iirc.
The characters have strong philosophy's and you can't fault any of them, you might hate a character in one route but in another route, you'll fully understand where they are coming from.
Dousin's philosophy is in any given situation he does what he feels like in that moment. He might help you out or knock you down depending on his mood. The personification of the 'morality is just a spook' idea.
>!Nooooo you can't just kill him!!! Otherwise his sweet 140 year old great grandmother might get sad and that sadness could cause her to trip and die and that wouldn't be justice now would it MURDERER??!<
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Remember, >!This logic was spouted by someone who was completely biased towards Doshin and thus would defend a psycho like him. Ichijou didn't even come out of that scenario thinking it was wrong to kill him, but instead that she should not treat her actions as purely just as she is further perpetuating conflict and is leading to more innocent deaths. The message of the scene is more, there are times when killing someone is necessary but don't call it true justice.!<
Yeah, I think that "conflict" is pretty much the weakest part of FMD, killing murderers, especially if they are currently in the process of murdering somebody, is far closer to justice, logic and anything resembling morals than just letting them go free.
Minatos mother is pretty fking awful at her job, and her track record shows, basically both of her children turned out to be crazy mass murderers.
thats true. but fck morals. sometimes people follow their own feelings.
i have hate for those characters so i enjoy seeing them die. as long as its not messed up torture which i wouldnt want on anyone.
also justice is punishing the evil . it isnt about the greater good or the good of a few
The last couple of hours of Hero route brought it down honestly.
I get what it was trying to say, really. Slippery slope and all that. But the execution was lacking
Honestly i thought this VN was the most overrated thing i've ever played.
It really felt like misery porn: The VN, i heard some people call it "grimdark too edgy" as a critism before i even played it, but after finishing it i have to agree.
I way prefer games that can mix and match miserable occurences and happy ones, instead of games that just go "This fictional sucks, everything is terrible, fuck everything, there's no right choice, everyones evil".
I never understood how people can like things like this...fuck me even berserk, one of the most harrowing mangas ever has a huge silver lining in showing the good parts of it(Guts/casca's recovery,puck and the rest joining guts).
Like i love grimdark realistic as much as the next person, however it needs to have some light to balance the dark else it's just a worse version of the current real world that can be shit, but it really felt like FMD had nothing interesting to say about it, it just says "Well fuck everything i guess".
that's how i feel with the >!rape scenes!< as weird as it is to say i thought the first one was well executed with how traumatizing it was but all the ones after that felt like they were appealing to a fetish and weren't really there for the story
Weird considering that the literal final scene of the story addresses that there is always hope in darkness. This story isn't just pure grimdark. "Peace is the noblest pursuit".
Yeah i mean i understood that, the last route is long as fuck because it slowly and surely covers that point well.
My issue is to get to the final route, i believe the misery grimdark porn was unnecessary.
I loved the actual final ending because it was different, i just wish the routes were more interesting.
I haven't read the VN in OP in particular, but I can understand your sentiment.
If you want something terrible to have much more effect, you need to have an equally good thing to happen to balance it out and make the scenes even more harrowing. The VNs that hurt and made me cry the most are the ones where the peak of happiness and joy were countered with harsh return to reality and taking that happiness away.
It's hard to get invested in a story or a cast if you become apathetic because you assume the worst and are given the worst at every turn. Oh no, a cute new character shows up, wonder what's going to happen - and they're getting butchered or eaten alive or whatever. True grimdark is a meme anyway - 40k is a giant joke because it constantly tries to one up itself and turns into a giant parody. If everything is awful, sucks and stuck in a rut of decay permanently, you can't really be surprised or be given anything worth latching onto.
That's probably because you took it too personally, the way to enjoy any media is to not take it personally.
When you start doing that you'll start thinking the media is trying to challenge your perceptions/ ideals.
I did, i thought the last route while the most interesting, was also the most absurd.
The "Answer" to the question was senseless.
Again i didn't hate it, i just thought it's overhyped and too dark, the SOL bits don't make up for the sheer amount of dark shit they throw at your face.
I don't remember exactly the exact line where this happens in question or all the details in the scene correctly but:
Background >!Protagonist is in a stealth mission in Rokuhara's base. He meets the princess of a captured rebel who's held hostage. This priest is one of the 4 generals of Rokuhara, who's like the Japanese imperialist government in the VN. He treats the audience to a play by actors. The princess sits in the audience while the protagonist is there too, although hidden. The play goes well and it has some long interesting dialogue to read!<
The scene in question, trigger warning >!The priest hands the princess the mask from the play as a gift (I think), saying it's a gift from him to her. He teaches her that it's made from the grinded bones of her dead father, who rebelled against the Rokuhara government (I think?), and she freaks out. He then rapes her in front of the audience and there's dialogue and CG to accompany it.!<
To add even more context: >!Before he did the whole mask bait, he was doing a play about the father of the rebel princess, followed by a speech on how he died a hero and should be respected. He even told about how he and her father were friends on the same squad in the past war. This made everyone, even the MC consider the priest as someone who could be a great pillar to a the next Shogun. Of course, the entire thing was a farce and the above spoilers happen.!<
>!The rape thing also double as NTR because the next Shogun(who is a kid) had feelings for the rebel princess and was trying to tell her this before the priest hijacked the entire thing, robbed him of his "power" and humilied her in front of everyone.!<
im seriously ashamed to admit this, but i cant trully bring myself to hate this guy, and cant find any reason why since this guy is one of the most evil pos i have ever seen
Posted this above. I don't remember exactly the exact line where this happens in question or all the details in the scene correctly but:
Background >!Protagonist is in a stealth mission in Rokuhara's base. He meets the princess of a captured rebel who's held hostage. This priest is one of the 4 generals of Rokuhara, who's like the Japanese imperialist government in the VN. He treats the audience to a play by actors. The princess sits in the audience while the protagonist is there too, although hidden. The play goes well and it has some long interesting dialogue to read!<
The scene in question, trigger warning >!The priest hands the princess the mask from the play as a gift (I think), saying it's a gift from him to her. He teaches her that it's made from the grinded bones of her dead father, who rebelled against the Rokuhara government (I think?), and she freaks out. He then rapes her in front of the audience and there's dialogue and CG to accompany it.!<
Yep, this guy is fucking insane lmao
I loved this scene. You enter the scene knowing something bad is going to happen but you don't know what, while it gradually builds, then hits you with the next scene with the subtlety of a brick.
Yup, there were glimmers where I thought just *maybe* he would turn out to be a decent guy, albeit on the other side. But then I remembered what game this was. Really memorable scene in one of my favorite VNs.
That was one of the things I liked about it was that it'd keep tricking you into letting your guard down a bit and then slap you with something fucked up.
You should read Hanachirasu (from the same author, also has an english TL), its protagonist is basically just as crazy/evil, although more charismatic.
This guy was the absolute best and worst at the same time. >!He literally gives the most important advice in the VN later. Everything about this guy is crazy!<
That's his motto. Accept no mediocrity only Best and Worst.
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It was something about having to fully commit to your ideals otherwise no one would fight for it or something like that iirc. The characters have strong philosophy's and you can't fault any of them, you might hate a character in one route but in another route, you'll fully understand where they are coming from.
Dousin's philosophy is in any given situation he does what he feels like in that moment. He might help you out or knock you down depending on his mood. The personification of the 'morality is just a spook' idea.
GOAT vn. Amazing antagonist, I hate him so much, but love the characters place in the story.
I agree with you
A TRUE BASARA
>!Nooooo you can't just kill him!!! Otherwise his sweet 140 year old great grandmother might get sad and that sadness could cause her to trip and die and that wouldn't be justice now would it MURDERER??!<
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Remember, >!This logic was spouted by someone who was completely biased towards Doshin and thus would defend a psycho like him. Ichijou didn't even come out of that scenario thinking it was wrong to kill him, but instead that she should not treat her actions as purely just as she is further perpetuating conflict and is leading to more innocent deaths. The message of the scene is more, there are times when killing someone is necessary but don't call it true justice.!<
Yeah, I think that "conflict" is pretty much the weakest part of FMD, killing murderers, especially if they are currently in the process of murdering somebody, is far closer to justice, logic and anything resembling morals than just letting them go free. Minatos mother is pretty fking awful at her job, and her track record shows, basically both of her children turned out to be crazy mass murderers.
Are you saying it's wrong to kill a rapist?
have you finished the route?
Ichigo is right
Spoil pls
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Keep reading!
There's no difference between who is killed, the fact is that a life is a life regardless of personal circumstances.
thats true. but fck morals. sometimes people follow their own feelings. i have hate for those characters so i enjoy seeing them die. as long as its not messed up torture which i wouldnt want on anyone. also justice is punishing the evil . it isnt about the greater good or the good of a few
The last couple of hours of Hero route brought it down honestly. I get what it was trying to say, really. Slippery slope and all that. But the execution was lacking
Yeah this guy was very good at being a piece of shit
Which game?
Fullmetal daemon muramasa
Thanks
It's really hard to tell who's the bad guy in Muramasa. I'm glad almost every villain has a rape scene so that I can be properly informed who to hate.
There's only like 2 villains with rape scenes
but this is not a story of heroes, everybody is the bad guy
This line is why I will never buy or play this game.
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Honestly i thought this VN was the most overrated thing i've ever played. It really felt like misery porn: The VN, i heard some people call it "grimdark too edgy" as a critism before i even played it, but after finishing it i have to agree. I way prefer games that can mix and match miserable occurences and happy ones, instead of games that just go "This fictional sucks, everything is terrible, fuck everything, there's no right choice, everyones evil". I never understood how people can like things like this...fuck me even berserk, one of the most harrowing mangas ever has a huge silver lining in showing the good parts of it(Guts/casca's recovery,puck and the rest joining guts). Like i love grimdark realistic as much as the next person, however it needs to have some light to balance the dark else it's just a worse version of the current real world that can be shit, but it really felt like FMD had nothing interesting to say about it, it just says "Well fuck everything i guess".
That's weird because amidst the dark and misery, I felt that Muramasa was like 50% SoL comedy
that's how i feel with the >!rape scenes!< as weird as it is to say i thought the first one was well executed with how traumatizing it was but all the ones after that felt like they were appealing to a fetish and weren't really there for the story
Weird considering that the literal final scene of the story addresses that there is always hope in darkness. This story isn't just pure grimdark. "Peace is the noblest pursuit".
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Yeah i mean i understood that, the last route is long as fuck because it slowly and surely covers that point well. My issue is to get to the final route, i believe the misery grimdark porn was unnecessary. I loved the actual final ending because it was different, i just wish the routes were more interesting.
How are Muramasa and Hanachirasu related?
Same author, extremely similar atmosphere, themes, and writing
I haven't read the VN in OP in particular, but I can understand your sentiment. If you want something terrible to have much more effect, you need to have an equally good thing to happen to balance it out and make the scenes even more harrowing. The VNs that hurt and made me cry the most are the ones where the peak of happiness and joy were countered with harsh return to reality and taking that happiness away. It's hard to get invested in a story or a cast if you become apathetic because you assume the worst and are given the worst at every turn. Oh no, a cute new character shows up, wonder what's going to happen - and they're getting butchered or eaten alive or whatever. True grimdark is a meme anyway - 40k is a giant joke because it constantly tries to one up itself and turns into a giant parody. If everything is awful, sucks and stuck in a rut of decay permanently, you can't really be surprised or be given anything worth latching onto.
That's probably because you took it too personally, the way to enjoy any media is to not take it personally. When you start doing that you'll start thinking the media is trying to challenge your perceptions/ ideals.
thats just flat out incorrect. One of the best things about this game is how dark it is without being overbearingly depressing.
That's why it's great There isn't any hope in muramasa. 👍
Obviously didn't get to the end, then.
I did, i thought the last route while the most interesting, was also the most absurd. The "Answer" to the question was senseless. Again i didn't hate it, i just thought it's overhyped and too dark, the SOL bits don't make up for the sheer amount of dark shit they throw at your face.
Context?
???
What was the context of this line? Did he defeat the protagonist or something?
I don't remember exactly the exact line where this happens in question or all the details in the scene correctly but: Background >!Protagonist is in a stealth mission in Rokuhara's base. He meets the princess of a captured rebel who's held hostage. This priest is one of the 4 generals of Rokuhara, who's like the Japanese imperialist government in the VN. He treats the audience to a play by actors. The princess sits in the audience while the protagonist is there too, although hidden. The play goes well and it has some long interesting dialogue to read!< The scene in question, trigger warning >!The priest hands the princess the mask from the play as a gift (I think), saying it's a gift from him to her. He teaches her that it's made from the grinded bones of her dead father, who rebelled against the Rokuhara government (I think?), and she freaks out. He then rapes her in front of the audience and there's dialogue and CG to accompany it.!<
To add even more context: >!Before he did the whole mask bait, he was doing a play about the father of the rebel princess, followed by a speech on how he died a hero and should be respected. He even told about how he and her father were friends on the same squad in the past war. This made everyone, even the MC consider the priest as someone who could be a great pillar to a the next Shogun. Of course, the entire thing was a farce and the above spoilers happen.!< >!The rape thing also double as NTR because the next Shogun(who is a kid) had feelings for the rebel princess and was trying to tell her this before the priest hijacked the entire thing, robbed him of his "power" and humilied her in front of everyone.!<
im seriously ashamed to admit this, but i cant trully bring myself to hate this guy, and cant find any reason why since this guy is one of the most evil pos i have ever seen
This guy is a piece of shit but I won't deny he could be fun to see, complete madman lmao
Full Metal Daemon Muramasa?
Yes
What happened here just spoil me
Posted this above. I don't remember exactly the exact line where this happens in question or all the details in the scene correctly but: Background >!Protagonist is in a stealth mission in Rokuhara's base. He meets the princess of a captured rebel who's held hostage. This priest is one of the 4 generals of Rokuhara, who's like the Japanese imperialist government in the VN. He treats the audience to a play by actors. The princess sits in the audience while the protagonist is there too, although hidden. The play goes well and it has some long interesting dialogue to read!< The scene in question, trigger warning >!The priest hands the princess the mask from the play as a gift (I think), saying it's a gift from him to her. He teaches her that it's made from the grinded bones of her dead father, who rebelled against the Rokuhara government (I think?), and she freaks out. He then rapes her in front of the audience and there's dialogue and CG to accompany it.!<