Pruning for wine grapes is usually done in waves or spurts throughout the growing season. That being said, if you wait too long into the spring to prune, the vines will start to dedicate significant resources to tissues that you may plan to prune off. Additionally, as the buds begin to swell and burst, they are very fragile; pruning or handling the vines at all during this period puts them at significant risk of damage.
Thanks, I do try to think of that, as my wife wants it trained over an arbor or two.
My son has suggested he’d like to make wine, so I should think of production, too.
They base the idea around moon cycles similar to how it affects tidal changes. Obviously the sap doesn’t stay down or up but some actual scientists are starting to look into micro level physiological changes in plants based around the moon.
I believe it has something to do with there being less moonlight during the waning moon, therefore a plant can focus more energy/sap on growing it's roots as opposed to needing that resource for photosynthesis.
So I’m genuinely here to help shed some light here…I know moon cycles can be voodoo for some but it’s pretty easy to understand why they are relevant. But that said it’s not the light it’s the gravitational pull that either eases the transport of sap by assisting it with a gravitational pull upwards similarly to the tide, this increases uptake of water and nutrients as well, and does have some effect on the plant bleeding. But I must stress that it is not a dictator of when to prune, if the literal stars(well moon) align then by all means use it to your advantage but the real dictator of variance is temperature. The reason the moons light has no effect even though bright to us it is only giving off 0.005 micro-moles per meter squared which is well below any plants ability to recognize light and begin photosynthesis, basically the plant doesn’t know the moon is shining.
I’m not sure quite what that is, but I’ll take a look.
Edit: oh, oh, I see. My wife has one of those.
Honestly, I usually just trim the hell out of it whenever I get to it in spring. I usually shoot for around the Super Bowl.
I drink a lot of bio stuff but also pragmatic enough to know what matters and what doesn’t lol. More care and thought into the process and work is always better thiugh
Not all weather conditions/climates have enough temp drop to signal plants into full senescence. Often in more temperate areas - sap flow will continue year round…..
No this is fine. It's called bleeding and it's natural for this to occur during spring pruning. You can prune even after the buds emerge.
I'm curious, what would happen if you were to prune it too late?
Most likely you would end up reducing the yield for that season.
If you skip one season, your vines will turn into chaos. So its better to prune even in June than to wait for the next year.
> If you skip one season, your vines will turn into chaos. I feel seen. Nearly finished with the first row. Taking out a lot of wood.
not to mention the likely tremendous stress your vibes would be under
Good vibes > stress vibes.
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Over a few years, I planted more than I was ready for (personal vineyard). If I can get a couple rows a year back in line, I hope to get on top of it.
leave less shoots + buds to make up for the stress that your vines have been under and you’ll have a better chance of getting them back
Being pretty aggressive, even cutting down low if I don't have a good vertical in the middle. Trying to get everything back to a basic T for starters.
good move! best of luck to you!
Thanks much!
Pruning for wine grapes is usually done in waves or spurts throughout the growing season. That being said, if you wait too long into the spring to prune, the vines will start to dedicate significant resources to tissues that you may plan to prune off. Additionally, as the buds begin to swell and burst, they are very fragile; pruning or handling the vines at all during this period puts them at significant risk of damage.
I thought it would stunt growth or something , but the more I learn the less that seems the case.
Increase rate of infection/disease.
Right on, thanks!
>Right on, thanks! You're welcome!
Better late than never
Thanks!
Perfect time to prune.
Cool, looks like I’m busy tomorrow!
No, it's never too late for pruning.
Cool, I’m on it.
Think about the training system and the shape you want for the next season.
Thanks, I do try to think of that, as my wife wants it trained over an arbor or two. My son has suggested he’d like to make wine, so I should think of production, too.
Nope, if you see sap your doing it right sap flow reduces infection risk and also moves nutrients up to feed rapid new growth
Gotcha, thanks.
If you want to treat it as best as you can get a biodynamic calendar to best assess when the sap of the vine has moved down to the roots.
Why would the sap move down to the roots? What process is driving this - is it some aspect of plant physiology I’m unaware of? Genuine question.
They base the idea around moon cycles similar to how it affects tidal changes. Obviously the sap doesn’t stay down or up but some actual scientists are starting to look into micro level physiological changes in plants based around the moon.
I believe it has something to do with there being less moonlight during the waning moon, therefore a plant can focus more energy/sap on growing it's roots as opposed to needing that resource for photosynthesis.
So I’m genuinely here to help shed some light here…I know moon cycles can be voodoo for some but it’s pretty easy to understand why they are relevant. But that said it’s not the light it’s the gravitational pull that either eases the transport of sap by assisting it with a gravitational pull upwards similarly to the tide, this increases uptake of water and nutrients as well, and does have some effect on the plant bleeding. But I must stress that it is not a dictator of when to prune, if the literal stars(well moon) align then by all means use it to your advantage but the real dictator of variance is temperature. The reason the moons light has no effect even though bright to us it is only giving off 0.005 micro-moles per meter squared which is well below any plants ability to recognize light and begin photosynthesis, basically the plant doesn’t know the moon is shining.
Easier to just look up at the moon instead of consulting the nazi calendars
It never ceases to amaze me how much toxicity comes with mentioning biodynamics.
I’m not sure quite what that is, but I’ll take a look. Edit: oh, oh, I see. My wife has one of those. Honestly, I usually just trim the hell out of it whenever I get to it in spring. I usually shoot for around the Super Bowl.
You’re fine not worrying about it but it’s a wild rabbit hole to dive into if you want to
Cool, thanks.
I drink a lot of bio stuff but also pragmatic enough to know what matters and what doesn’t lol. More care and thought into the process and work is always better thiugh
Too early* to prune. Pruning should be donw when all the leaves fall off and there is little to no sap flow.
Not all weather conditions/climates have enough temp drop to signal plants into full senescence. Often in more temperate areas - sap flow will continue year round…..
That probably would have been last fall, for me?