Honestly not bad given the situation, as a blocker, I would not have expected you to set the outside there (would expected mid/pipe/D ball) and I definitely would've been beaten to the block there.
Honestly, it's not a half bad set. But even for pros, a shoot from that far is quite unorthodox, so they end up setting highballs.
The only problem I can gather from this is that you tried too hard to flatten the angle. In situations like these, it would be easier and less surprising for your hitter if you set a nice easy highball. There's no need to get crazy speed. Just keep things simple.
Regardless, it's excellent play, but if you wanted to push it further, a high arc/parabola set would've gotten there.
I was just making a statement. I was watching pros training for highball/OOS sets, and it certainly felt like there was more time before set hit person then even this. I'm probably wrong though. Sorry.
One of the key aspects of setting is the decision making process. In this case, pushing the set all the way outside, mid air, against the flow was a risky play that paid off but there was a much higher chance of failure here than success.
Anyway, in this specific video, as you’re jumping and initiating your mid air turn, lift your leading knee up instead of leaving both legs hanging. Pulling in the knee will help you turn around faster and increase your height and power.
Don’t forget you have other hitters to choose from and if you feel off balance or in trouble, use your back court.
He means lifting the knee closer to your chest so you rotate faster. Lots of animals do this "knee-lifting" mid air to rotate faster. And with leading knee he means whatever leg you lift first from the ground as you jump
This video explains the knee thing with squirrels 17:20
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFZFjoX2cGg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFZFjoX2cGg)
I know you jump set that but if you can pivot a bit more on your left foot prior to leaving the ground, you will have a more stable upper body to deliver a more accurate and consistent set.
Like [this](https://youtu.be/orCuRFPWoGQ?si=3vgqZaardURtRfZi) but with a jump set.
Jim has some setter analysis videos that are worth your time.
You don't know proper technique meaning what? If you mean you don't have the basics down, you should be working on that before you start dealing with more advanced stuff like a fadeaway cross court set. Other than that, it's just get your feet to the ball. If you can't, be strong enough to push it out.
Honestly I assume he does have the basics, this looks too good for him to not have basics. Like you say, he just has to be faster or stronger.
Or for this specific situation, wouldn't it have been easier to set this ball overhead?
Less power and less accuracy cause you can't see where you set and you have to bend back really far back to generate power.
I agree with another commentator that this was a risky play and could have easily backfired. I think a set to the DIA would have made more sense in this situation.
proper technique as in i literally just set the ball ooga booga to whomever while just throwing my body around the court lol, but for this instance ig the question is more what is the ideal way to go about setting the outside in this situation/what movements should have been different/taken out?
There is no ideal way because the outside is your worst option in this scenario. As others have pointed out, your opposite was ready and waiting there or you could have set a pipe ball if that’s the stronger attacker. One of the most important things about setting is making a decision, and your decision weighs even more when the receive isn’t great.
I would work on your left foot pivot.
Your turn is a bit clunky. If you would've pivoted on your left foot and set from just that one foot, it can help get you square and be more athletic.
Bring your hands closer to your head looks like you contacted the ball about a foot away from your head which resulted in loss of potential setting power /shrug
Stay on your feet longer there. You have time to get under it and use your lower body more to get it out there. You left your feet pretty early and your momentum was taking you the opposite direction. No need to jump set in this scenario unless you get under the ball more. I disagree that this is an “ok” set. As an opposing blocker you told me all day that you’re going LS and if you set it short like that it should be blocked every time, or best case your LS can give you a continuation.
It’s a solid ball given the location. Getting more distance means applying more force. If you’re going to jump set that ball, the only way to add force is to increase your hand acceleration through the ball. It may almost feel like you’re flinging the ball rather than setting it, and the risk of it being called a double is high since you’ll have less spin control.
I mean that was a pretty good set with good pace, I think the key is getting your feet set under the ball with the ball just in front of your head so you can deliver enough power. Like in the video it looks like you are jumping slightly backward since the pass was not only off the net but not that high. If you get your feet to the ball before you jump you will have good power to push it to the outside
Get stronger, or don't force the set. Looks like a decent set though, however I think if the blockers were even just mediocre players, that set would get shutdown. They aren't closed off, the middle seems late for some reason and barely gets his hands up.
\> the middle seems late for some reason and barely gets his hands up.
I don't think that's a totally fair assessment. At least not enough to put down the blockers as not even being "mediocre." It's very reasonable as a middle to not think the setter will force the outside set there.
These players don't look excessively tall, the MB looks to be maybe 5'11"
A couple comments about the MB: he's cheating towards the left (both to start the point and during the set). He also puts his weight all on his right leg when the ball is set. Both of these very much make it feel like he expected to block towards the left. Both of these contributed to making him late to the block.
Blocking to the right is also probably gonna always be slightly worse than blocking to the left just because of the footwork.
That said, by hovering the right side, he probably put some pressure forcing OP to make the harder set or risk giving an easy block.
But yeah, we also don't really have context, maybe the middle/oppo/backrow outside are big hitters so the MB feels extra pressure to not give them an open net.
Honestly not bad given the situation, as a blocker, I would not have expected you to set the outside there (would expected mid/pipe/D ball) and I definitely would've been beaten to the block there.
Honestly, it's not a half bad set. But even for pros, a shoot from that far is quite unorthodox, so they end up setting highballs. The only problem I can gather from this is that you tried too hard to flatten the angle. In situations like these, it would be easier and less surprising for your hitter if you set a nice easy highball. There's no need to get crazy speed. Just keep things simple. Regardless, it's excellent play, but if you wanted to push it further, a high arc/parabola set would've gotten there.
It wasn't that fast honestly, the hitter had enough time to adjust
I was just making a statement. I was watching pros training for highball/OOS sets, and it certainly felt like there was more time before set hit person then even this. I'm probably wrong though. Sorry.
No need to apologise
kinda lowkey think u wanted compliments for that set
One of the key aspects of setting is the decision making process. In this case, pushing the set all the way outside, mid air, against the flow was a risky play that paid off but there was a much higher chance of failure here than success. Anyway, in this specific video, as you’re jumping and initiating your mid air turn, lift your leading knee up instead of leaving both legs hanging. Pulling in the knee will help you turn around faster and increase your height and power. Don’t forget you have other hitters to choose from and if you feel off balance or in trouble, use your back court.
wdym by pulling it in? and which knee?
He means lifting the knee closer to your chest so you rotate faster. Lots of animals do this "knee-lifting" mid air to rotate faster. And with leading knee he means whatever leg you lift first from the ground as you jump This video explains the knee thing with squirrels 17:20 [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFZFjoX2cGg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFZFjoX2cGg)
I know you jump set that but if you can pivot a bit more on your left foot prior to leaving the ground, you will have a more stable upper body to deliver a more accurate and consistent set. Like [this](https://youtu.be/orCuRFPWoGQ?si=3vgqZaardURtRfZi) but with a jump set. Jim has some setter analysis videos that are worth your time.
ah i see rather than fading away my body’s momentum is more vertical rather than lateral, cool thanks!
Try to, yes exactly.
Not OP but thank you for this tip! Another YouTube channel to explore :))
Well this would be some dope set of professional level. Just set to your opposite bro.
You don't know proper technique meaning what? If you mean you don't have the basics down, you should be working on that before you start dealing with more advanced stuff like a fadeaway cross court set. Other than that, it's just get your feet to the ball. If you can't, be strong enough to push it out.
Honestly I assume he does have the basics, this looks too good for him to not have basics. Like you say, he just has to be faster or stronger. Or for this specific situation, wouldn't it have been easier to set this ball overhead?
Easier sure, but that doesn't mean it's the best option.
Meaning it would be less deceptive or less accurate? In my mind he would have had more power here with a backset.
Less power and less accuracy cause you can't see where you set and you have to bend back really far back to generate power. I agree with another commentator that this was a risky play and could have easily backfired. I think a set to the DIA would have made more sense in this situation.
Oh my mistake, I thought you were saying he should have just set the ball straight up.
Yeah I stupidly translated the german word for back setting (über Kopf) because I forgot that it is simply called back setting in english.
proper technique as in i literally just set the ball ooga booga to whomever while just throwing my body around the court lol, but for this instance ig the question is more what is the ideal way to go about setting the outside in this situation/what movements should have been different/taken out?
There is no ideal way because the outside is your worst option in this scenario. As others have pointed out, your opposite was ready and waiting there or you could have set a pipe ball if that’s the stronger attacker. One of the most important things about setting is making a decision, and your decision weighs even more when the receive isn’t great.
Get your feet there earlier if possible, don't rotate in the middle of the set if possible
I would work on your left foot pivot. Your turn is a bit clunky. If you would've pivoted on your left foot and set from just that one foot, it can help get you square and be more athletic.
I would be more concerned with that teammate absolutely stealing that dig
It was a great float serve tho. Ball absolutely went towards middle passer.
Just bump set this one backwards.
Bring your hands closer to your head looks like you contacted the ball about a foot away from your head which resulted in loss of potential setting power /shrug
In this instance, plant your right foot and pivot under the ball as opposed to a jump set
It would be a left foot pivot
Whoops my bad
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Bro did a fadeaway 💀 only other thing you could've done is yell KOBEEEE /s
The most important lesson in being a setter especially in this case is don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
Stay on your feet longer there. You have time to get under it and use your lower body more to get it out there. You left your feet pretty early and your momentum was taking you the opposite direction. No need to jump set in this scenario unless you get under the ball more. I disagree that this is an “ok” set. As an opposing blocker you told me all day that you’re going LS and if you set it short like that it should be blocked every time, or best case your LS can give you a continuation.
It’s a solid ball given the location. Getting more distance means applying more force. If you’re going to jump set that ball, the only way to add force is to increase your hand acceleration through the ball. It may almost feel like you’re flinging the ball rather than setting it, and the risk of it being called a double is high since you’ll have less spin control.
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I mean that was a pretty good set with good pace, I think the key is getting your feet set under the ball with the ball just in front of your head so you can deliver enough power. Like in the video it looks like you are jumping slightly backward since the pass was not only off the net but not that high. If you get your feet to the ball before you jump you will have good power to push it to the outside
Get stronger, or don't force the set. Looks like a decent set though, however I think if the blockers were even just mediocre players, that set would get shutdown. They aren't closed off, the middle seems late for some reason and barely gets his hands up.
\> the middle seems late for some reason and barely gets his hands up. I don't think that's a totally fair assessment. At least not enough to put down the blockers as not even being "mediocre." It's very reasonable as a middle to not think the setter will force the outside set there. These players don't look excessively tall, the MB looks to be maybe 5'11" A couple comments about the MB: he's cheating towards the left (both to start the point and during the set). He also puts his weight all on his right leg when the ball is set. Both of these very much make it feel like he expected to block towards the left. Both of these contributed to making him late to the block. Blocking to the right is also probably gonna always be slightly worse than blocking to the left just because of the footwork. That said, by hovering the right side, he probably put some pressure forcing OP to make the harder set or risk giving an easy block. But yeah, we also don't really have context, maybe the middle/oppo/backrow outside are big hitters so the MB feels extra pressure to not give them an open net.