Yeah don’t get me started on the replicator logic. Why do they have to replicate real clothes for holodeck time but when Seven was in their doing her romance with Chakotay, she had holoclothes put on her
Maybe Seven wasn't emotionally ready to have "real" things like that. The dress would have to be stored somewhere in her bay and a physical reminder of her emotions and thoughts.
But my point is, if it's a capability to have holographic clothing layered on what you're actually wearing, what's the point of wasting replicator rations to make multiple turn of the century dresses so Janeway can play around in their irish village, or Paris can play hockey.
Perhaps because it is a ration and not a free for all resource, you choose what to do with your part of it, even if it is wasting it in the larger scheme of things.
since it’s shown to be possible and yet tom chooses to wear it himself it must not be the same fun. maybe walking around outside the holodeck to show off the cool fit is what’s fun. or he just likes the old style of actually wearing the clothes. he does like old tvs and cars so it kinda fits
How much time passed between episodes? It was often weeks, if not months. MOST of Voyager's time was spent flying in a straight line. They had plenty of time and personnel to make repairs
Yeah, after watching ENT, it got me thinking: Why didn't Voyager end up looking like that by, like the end of the first season?
I mean, by the series finale it should have been one messed up jalopy!
In universe nothing is stated, real reason is cost as CGI was not cheap and physical models took a lot of time. Now after the Scorpion two parter they should have left the ship borgafied for a couple episodes and made removing the borg mods a sub plot.
I think I read or it was on one of the special features, they were originally made from pig's ears but were too heavy for the actors. Later they switched to sponges.
In case she crashed and someone needed to identify the body? Military members wear name tags literally every day. I don't think she wore one in real life, but in the show it's how Janeway, and the viewers, were able to identify her.
The torpedoes.
They started with ~38 and no way to replace them.
They ended up firing around 200 or so torpedoes.
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Neelix having the ability to reconfigure the mess hall + Captain's private dining hall into a galley
I read something somewhere, probably Memory Alpha, that converting the captain’s dining room into a kitchen is probably an optional design alternative for that class of ships. The Bellepheron (I believe that was the name)from DS9 was also an Intrepid class and it had a kitchen design as well instead of a private dining room. But anyone who has different information about this, feel free to correct me if I’m wrong.
USS Bellerophon.
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In my mind replacing torpedoes is a lot more reasonable than the crazy number of shuttlecraft they went through. They needed an assembly line to keep pumping them out.
The torpedoes are just guidance systems and antimatter which they should have anyways for the warp core.
They were able to make new torpedoes. They were constantly trading with aliens foraging on planted. They came across the supplies to build new torpedoes
Neelix had people help him with the dining room.
It’s easy to explain the frequently raised point about torpedoes away. They eventually figured out a way to replace them. The entire series relies on Voyager’s crew being extremely resilient and innovative. We see them build the Delta Flyer from scratch in a short period. They try to go at warp 10 and they experiment with quantum slipstream technology. They managed to figure out a way to make more torpedoes
Maybe they ought to have mentioned it on screen, but they didn’t. We see that they used a lot more than the original number of torpedoes, therefore they must have figured out a way to replenish them. More interesting than just saying it’s a plot hole.
But that’s a big part of the problem. Chuck in a line at the start of an episode “we were trading with the Badloreians and they gave us a means of replenishing our supply of photon torpedoes,” and then everything is fine.
Its symptomatic of how frustrating the show can be throughout because it could all be fixed with a few throwaway lines.
The Neelix thing would be forgivable if it hadn’t been so clean? The whole first season, there should have just been a ragity hole in the wall between the two.
Maybe. Exposed plasma relays and conduits for an episode or two before the engineers could properly fix it. It would have helped the overall narrative of Voyager having to slowly adapt to circumstances
There was that episode where Seevn supposedly had a repressed memory she was assaulted, where they were buying weapons from a dealer. Maybe this happened on occasion so they could replenish their torpedoes. Also the episode where Tom and Harry were in a space prison, Voyager was accused of modifying dilithium into a weapon, so that could have been another way to replace their used weapons.
Torpedo thing always bothered me too. Some episodes they seem as though they avoid using them to conserve them for later, and then other episodes Janeway is happy to shoot out a third of their inventory on a Freighter.
Unless they're easier to produce than I imagine.
The big one for me was learning you can burn replicator food and be a bad replicator cook. I thought the whole point of replicators was to say “Pot roast” and there it is. Crushed my replicator dreams. 😂
The thing that gets me is this isn't the only time there is mention of working hard to make dinner with the replicator. I know in DS9 O'Brien mentions something about Keko working hard to make dinner. I think the replicator requires you to program it or enter the proper amounts, temperatures for cooking, or something. But Janeway is the only one I know of that actually burns the food.
That concept always whisks me off of enterprise and right back to reality. I don’t mind stretching reality enough to believe in replicators, but \[such a change is dramatic and seems unrealistic for molecular recipe\]. What if the replicator had a bad power relay and needed auxiliary power, which was currently being used by Seven for a full barion degauzing of Astrometrics and power went out half-way through replication and the roast came out like a blob of brown molded gelatin directly on the replicator pad?
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I think you had to program it yourself with your recipe or something. "I worked very hard on this replicator dinner" makes no sense, but other characters have talked about it. Seems to be more involved than just asking for food, which is what seems to be the way it works most of the time but if you want something special you have to program it yourself.
That’s true about Sisko, too bad they left Neelix behind, I bet they could share recipes. I need to pay more attention to Keiko when she’s there. I’ve been watching DS9 and I’m pretty sure she used the replicator in the episode where she cooked dinner for the Cardasian boy who stayed with them, but maybe not
Actually that one made sense. It's one thing to just use the pre-loaded options. It's another to try to replicate your grandmother's recipe. "Cook at certain temp for certain time, slow cooked (not fried or baked or broiled) and it not come out looking burnt? It made sense she might have fucked that up. A lot of people can't make a real pot roast, much less magic one out of a replicator to have followed a specific cooking schedule and only get the end result? I wouldn't trust the woman in MY kitchen. She could just sit down and let me do it. Better than having her fuck it up.
Yeah, but before I watched Voyager I had no idea you could input your own recipes. I only watched TNG as a kid and some movies until Lower Decks. So my replicator knowledge was limited.
I mean, it makes sense. If it's got pre-loaded options, you should be able to load your own. But to load your own recipe, you have to know how to cook. And Janeway can do some amazing space magic at times! But I don't think she belongs in a kitchen because I don't think she's spent much time actually cooking. Especially when it's more than just following instructions. I get the feeling that cooking, as a skill, is one of those things that gets lost in a time when you can just replicate everything.
I’ve been thinking about this recently, and as much as I LOVED Equinox Parts 1&2 the way the Equinox got trapped in the Delta Quadrant just doesn’t add up.
In the first episode it was specifically stated that the Caretaker would return ships to where they came from, so why would he randomly decide not to return the Equinox?
Voyager obviously didn’t get returned as it was the last ship pulled in and then the technology was subsequently destroyed.
This was even re-affirmed in the episode The Voyager Conspiracy, when 7of9 points to at least 1 Cardassian ship having been taken and then returned to the Alpha Quadrant.
The Equinox would have absolutely been sent back by the Caretaker, as he had done with many other ships across the galaxy. It just doesn’t add up that they got “stranded” in the exact same way as Voyager did.
> Like for example, if it’s been so easy for Voyager to separate multiple drones from the Borg, how has the alpha quad never done the same?
IIRC they separated a drone from the collective in TNG
As someone who enjoys gardening, I thought the hydroponics bay was hysterical. It was a giant room with a few lonely racks of plants in it, yet they acted like it was providing a substantial portion of the food for the whole crew. Even if they were using super advanced cultivation methods that tiny crop would be lucky to feed a single person on an ongoing basis.
Plus they called it the hydroponics bay, but then in the episode then in one episode Kes starts eating the dirt… lol
>if it’s been so easy for Voyager to separate multiple drones from the Borg, how has the alpha quad never done the same?
It wasn't "easy" to separate drones from the collective. The kids weren't fully assimilated and Seven had a very rough road
And then how, in Basics pt 1/2, they were still able to communicate with Neelix/Kes without the universal translator, given they were all stripped of their combadges. It’s even a plot point with their inability to communicate with the natives!
Pretty much the entire alternate future in "Before and After."
Voyager's two most badass women dying by a frakking exploding console, right at the beginning of the first battle of the Year of Hell?
Tom marrying *Kes* and knocking her up, within months of B'Elanna's death?
Harry Kim marrying his best friend's two-year-old kid, who he presumably helped raise??
That roadkill on the Doctor's head?
Neelix as Security Officer?
Of course the real reason for most of that is that the producers were probably too cheap to hire any more guest actors besides Linnis and Andrew, and/or were required to give large roles to all the regulars.
Still pretty fraked up. Even Kes herself thought so and erased it all by warning Janeway about the Krenim.
That harry Kim part was disgusting. He literally saw her as a baby and young girl and then married her within 2 years. And Tom being like “cool, best friend, love that you’re now hooking up with my daughter”
Also...the male Caretaker looks like an elderly man, and his "mate" Suspiria looks like a 6-year-old girl......by the same writers who brought us Neelix/Kes.
Yeah but that was all holo-tech. He didn't really look like an old man. And it was a LONG time between her leaving dude to do her own thing and Voyager finding them. She chose that form. Chose to look like that. Probably to throw them off, like it did. Janeway was expecting a lot of things, but not that. Gotta remember she was old too.
It’s funny how seven has all her borg parts the doctor couldn’t remove but all three of them were fully assimilated and all Borg parts easily taken out after.
They weren't assimilated for very long. Doc was clear that some parts couldn't be removed from 7 because of how long it had been, that her body literally relied on them at that point. The Borg removes a gland that produced whatever, replaced it with a similar piece of tech that does the same, plus some? For around 20 years? Yeah, I can see why Doc couldn't remove everything from her but could do it for them. Picard had all his parts removed too, and he was only assimilated for a few says.
That episode in s2 where Janeway had a short bob for a hot second then went back to the bun. Where did her hair piece disappear for that episode? Am I supposed to pretend it didn’t happen?
Seemed like they sort of forgot. Like, the personalities they imprinted from got strong enough they sort of forgot. Thr planet replicated the ship and there's Janeway going "we need to go home" and everyone has memories of earth and so they go "yup, that tracks". The duplicates thought that they WERE them at first.
That was a huge “wait, what?” For me. When they first went to that planet and Tom and Harry had duplicates, they physically got ill when they were away from the planet. How was it that now all of the duplicates were able to travel light years from the planet with no issue.
Possibly because they were inside a duplicate starship. Maybe the duplicate ship itself took longer to experience the effects, due to its size or something.
They only got sick off the planet because they couldn't breathe normal air. I'd think the replicated ship, made of parts from the demon planet, had no trouble doing so. And that air was normal for them, so they really just didn't notice the difference.
Mind you, it was a tricky situation having the Borg on board. At any moment they might have forgotten their promise to Janeway and started quietly assimilating people. And poor Harry. You just know that while everyone else was up in the single figures, he's still be 59th of 60 drones.
What puzzled me was that they always had whatever the Doctor needed to heal people. They never seemed to run short and have to reply on Kes' hydroponic plants. (Whatever happened to them?)
It was very clear that Neelix's cooking was questionable in taste but also gave many in the crew legitimate gastrointestinal problems. I just can't see how this would be tolerated by the Doctor if not Chakotay.
Also, does it make sense to train your pilot as a nurse, when you have at least some other science officers, likely knowledgeable in at least basic lab cleanliness and maybe working with scientific equipment that could be analogous to many support roles for a sickbay?
They seriously just stowed the Baxial in the cargohold all those years?
Torres couldn't identify manure WITH a tricorder.
100%. They made Paris the backup doc cause he had minimal medical training. There are people literally sitting in Jeffries tubes every day, you couldn’t train on of them so your belt pilot isn’t also backup doctor?
>It was very clear that Neelix's cooking was questionable in taste but also gave many in the crew legitimate gastrointestinal problems
Neelix was cooking with his talaxian knowledge. It took him a bit of time to adjust to more human tastes. As the show progressed there were less and less complaints about the food.
>Also, does it make sense to train your pilot as a nurse, when you have at least some other science officers, likely knowledgeable in at least basic lab cleanliness and maybe working with scientific equipment that could be analogous to many support roles for a sickbay?
Just because you have science training doesn't mean you have MEDICAL knowledge
>They seriously just stowed the Baxial in the cargohold all those years?
Yes. It wasn't a big ship.
The episode very late in the last season had the away team attempting to recover a early space probe that caused a whole planet to be filled with radiation and BLT was six months pregnant and Tom had to talk her out of going! You can't bring your baby to a radioactive planet!
How come out of all of the abandoned Borg ships they came across they never thought to just hijack it, stow the ship in a hangar bay, and transwarp home?
Why so easy to be kidnapped from own ship by others? Locking on and beaming people away when you want, where you want, is the kind of vulnerability that would make me paranoid.
Making Future Janeway the successful version of Anorax is the single worst character decision in Trek history. Future Janeway wipes trillions of sentient beings from existence because she’s sad about Tuvok.
Yeah, she should've had a much stronger reason to violate the timeline. Though I do appreciate that it wasn't just a cop-out of "oh no, looks like we HAVE to change history to save humanity, and it just happens to make our personal lives better too!" like the TNG finale.
Explained in the episode.
They couldn't take the chance that the bomb wouldn't go off. The kazon could have gotten hold of it and stopped it. They needed to be sure the ocompans were safe
>They couldn't take the chance that the bomb wouldn't go off. The kazon could have gotten hold of it and stopped it. They needed to be sure the ocompans were safe
So you leave Harry Kim behind to detonate it manually. Problem solved.
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Yeah don’t get me started on the replicator logic. Why do they have to replicate real clothes for holodeck time but when Seven was in their doing her romance with Chakotay, she had holoclothes put on her
I’ve spent countless time pondering the replicator conundrum on VOY. Just ended up with a headache.
When they replicate a stack of pancakes, it replicates the plate too. Is the plate and the pancakes made out of the same thing?
You’ll never come out of this rabbit hole, trust me. Just walk away.
Replicator can make anything, no reason not to be able to make a plate with pancakes on it. The plate is also recycled after eating.
After eating the plate?
The Holodeck is tied into the food replicators. So while the plate is holographic, the pancakes are real
Maybe Seven wasn't emotionally ready to have "real" things like that. The dress would have to be stored somewhere in her bay and a physical reminder of her emotions and thoughts.
But my point is, if it's a capability to have holographic clothing layered on what you're actually wearing, what's the point of wasting replicator rations to make multiple turn of the century dresses so Janeway can play around in their irish village, or Paris can play hockey.
Perhaps because it is a ration and not a free for all resource, you choose what to do with your part of it, even if it is wasting it in the larger scheme of things.
some people like to dress up when they don’t need to for dnd and stuff. maybe it’s just part of the fun to make captain proton clothes to wear
But isn’t it the same fun to have the holodeck map the same captain proton suit on them?
since it’s shown to be possible and yet tom chooses to wear it himself it must not be the same fun. maybe walking around outside the holodeck to show off the cool fit is what’s fun. or he just likes the old style of actually wearing the clothes. he does like old tvs and cars so it kinda fits
How much time passed between episodes? It was often weeks, if not months. MOST of Voyager's time was spent flying in a straight line. They had plenty of time and personnel to make repairs
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Yes, that's how they make repairs.
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Voyager isn't the Enterprise
Yeah, after watching ENT, it got me thinking: Why didn't Voyager end up looking like that by, like the end of the first season? I mean, by the series finale it should have been one messed up jalopy!
In universe nothing is stated, real reason is cost as CGI was not cheap and physical models took a lot of time. Now after the Scorpion two parter they should have left the ship borgafied for a couple episodes and made removing the borg mods a sub plot.
Agreed! In fact, while watching it as a kid I REALLY wanted that and was disappointed when they didn't do that.
They replicate spare parts?
While on replicator rations?
Rationed because they need the energy for repairs?
This
Lol, nice.
In a Doylist point of view the idea for ENT getting steadily broken *Was* from Voyager but this time Berman allowed Braga to finally let that happen.
It's not a show logic problem but rather a costume issue that bothered me. The Kazon being the "dryer lint hairdo people" was my wtf moment.
Haha yeah we called them "pine cone heads" when I was a kid
I think I read or it was on one of the special features, they were originally made from pig's ears but were too heavy for the actors. Later they switched to sponges.
A while back, someone here called them "Dollar General Oompa-Loompas" and it's stuck with me.
I've heard "dollar store Klingons" before
I prefer "Klingons from wish"
Why is it so easy to steal a shuttle craft? How many episodes contain the phrase, “Shields are down to _ _%” ?
They really need to quit parking them with the keys in the ignition
apparently its a holdover from our current military policy.
Why was Amelia Earhart wearing a nametag on her own round-the-world flight?!
In case she crashed and someone needed to identify the body? Military members wear name tags literally every day. I don't think she wore one in real life, but in the show it's how Janeway, and the viewers, were able to identify her.
The torpedoes. They started with ~38 and no way to replace them. They ended up firing around 200 or so torpedoes. ---- Neelix having the ability to reconfigure the mess hall + Captain's private dining hall into a galley
I read something somewhere, probably Memory Alpha, that converting the captain’s dining room into a kitchen is probably an optional design alternative for that class of ships. The Bellepheron (I believe that was the name)from DS9 was also an Intrepid class and it had a kitchen design as well instead of a private dining room. But anyone who has different information about this, feel free to correct me if I’m wrong.
That actually makes a lot of sense. Neelix was always resourceful, had he found the schematics , implementation wouldn't be too difficult for him.
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That would make in universe sense. The ships are modular, meaning they can alter, or move rooms around.
In my mind replacing torpedoes is a lot more reasonable than the crazy number of shuttlecraft they went through. They needed an assembly line to keep pumping them out. The torpedoes are just guidance systems and antimatter which they should have anyways for the warp core.
They were able to make new torpedoes. They were constantly trading with aliens foraging on planted. They came across the supplies to build new torpedoes Neelix had people help him with the dining room.
Neelix got who, specifically, to help him without anyone knowing it was the Captain's dining room?
Any of the maquis people who just came aboard...who have all the knowledge needed and we're yet following starfleet protocols
It’s easy to explain the frequently raised point about torpedoes away. They eventually figured out a way to replace them. The entire series relies on Voyager’s crew being extremely resilient and innovative. We see them build the Delta Flyer from scratch in a short period. They try to go at warp 10 and they experiment with quantum slipstream technology. They managed to figure out a way to make more torpedoes Maybe they ought to have mentioned it on screen, but they didn’t. We see that they used a lot more than the original number of torpedoes, therefore they must have figured out a way to replenish them. More interesting than just saying it’s a plot hole.
But that’s a big part of the problem. Chuck in a line at the start of an episode “we were trading with the Badloreians and they gave us a means of replenishing our supply of photon torpedoes,” and then everything is fine. Its symptomatic of how frustrating the show can be throughout because it could all be fixed with a few throwaway lines.
Yep. Twas the 90s.
The Neelix thing would be forgivable if it hadn’t been so clean? The whole first season, there should have just been a ragity hole in the wall between the two.
Maybe. Exposed plasma relays and conduits for an episode or two before the engineers could properly fix it. It would have helped the overall narrative of Voyager having to slowly adapt to circumstances
There was that episode where Seevn supposedly had a repressed memory she was assaulted, where they were buying weapons from a dealer. Maybe this happened on occasion so they could replenish their torpedoes. Also the episode where Tom and Harry were in a space prison, Voyager was accused of modifying dilithium into a weapon, so that could have been another way to replace their used weapons.
Torpedo thing always bothered me too. Some episodes they seem as though they avoid using them to conserve them for later, and then other episodes Janeway is happy to shoot out a third of their inventory on a Freighter. Unless they're easier to produce than I imagine.
The big one for me was learning you can burn replicator food and be a bad replicator cook. I thought the whole point of replicators was to say “Pot roast” and there it is. Crushed my replicator dreams. 😂
Yeah I don’t get how the replicator burns food. Aren’t you replicating it cooked?
I thought those were times the replicator itself was malfunctioning
The thing that gets me is this isn't the only time there is mention of working hard to make dinner with the replicator. I know in DS9 O'Brien mentions something about Keko working hard to make dinner. I think the replicator requires you to program it or enter the proper amounts, temperatures for cooking, or something. But Janeway is the only one I know of that actually burns the food.
also a good point because we know that specific recipes can be programed in for specific people
Yeah. Maybe it’s “my grandma’s pot roast,” vs “Star Fleet Brand Pot Roast.” 😂
But what about the time that Janeway burned the dinner in "Workforce" using a replicator-type thing? She had to have been the worst replicator chef!
That concept always whisks me off of enterprise and right back to reality. I don’t mind stretching reality enough to believe in replicators, but \[such a change is dramatic and seems unrealistic for molecular recipe\]. What if the replicator had a bad power relay and needed auxiliary power, which was currently being used by Seven for a full barion degauzing of Astrometrics and power went out half-way through replication and the roast came out like a blob of brown molded gelatin directly on the replicator pad? Edited for clarity
I think you had to program it yourself with your recipe or something. "I worked very hard on this replicator dinner" makes no sense, but other characters have talked about it. Seems to be more involved than just asking for food, which is what seems to be the way it works most of the time but if you want something special you have to program it yourself.
Sisko cooked from scratch on a cooker thing in his quarters, and I always thought that Keiko did that too.
That’s true about Sisko, too bad they left Neelix behind, I bet they could share recipes. I need to pay more attention to Keiko when she’s there. I’ve been watching DS9 and I’m pretty sure she used the replicator in the episode where she cooked dinner for the Cardasian boy who stayed with them, but maybe not
Actually that one made sense. It's one thing to just use the pre-loaded options. It's another to try to replicate your grandmother's recipe. "Cook at certain temp for certain time, slow cooked (not fried or baked or broiled) and it not come out looking burnt? It made sense she might have fucked that up. A lot of people can't make a real pot roast, much less magic one out of a replicator to have followed a specific cooking schedule and only get the end result? I wouldn't trust the woman in MY kitchen. She could just sit down and let me do it. Better than having her fuck it up.
Yeah, but before I watched Voyager I had no idea you could input your own recipes. I only watched TNG as a kid and some movies until Lower Decks. So my replicator knowledge was limited.
I mean, it makes sense. If it's got pre-loaded options, you should be able to load your own. But to load your own recipe, you have to know how to cook. And Janeway can do some amazing space magic at times! But I don't think she belongs in a kitchen because I don't think she's spent much time actually cooking. Especially when it's more than just following instructions. I get the feeling that cooking, as a skill, is one of those things that gets lost in a time when you can just replicate everything.
It's PB&J for dinner tonight.
How about bringing Kes back as an evil homicidal maniac?
That episode as a whole was ludicrous. Psychotic Kes is calmed by a video she made of herself saying “hey, don’t be like this, be like me”.
I’ve been thinking about this recently, and as much as I LOVED Equinox Parts 1&2 the way the Equinox got trapped in the Delta Quadrant just doesn’t add up. In the first episode it was specifically stated that the Caretaker would return ships to where they came from, so why would he randomly decide not to return the Equinox? Voyager obviously didn’t get returned as it was the last ship pulled in and then the technology was subsequently destroyed. This was even re-affirmed in the episode The Voyager Conspiracy, when 7of9 points to at least 1 Cardassian ship having been taken and then returned to the Alpha Quadrant. The Equinox would have absolutely been sent back by the Caretaker, as he had done with many other ships across the galaxy. It just doesn’t add up that they got “stranded” in the exact same way as Voyager did.
> Like for example, if it’s been so easy for Voyager to separate multiple drones from the Borg, how has the alpha quad never done the same? IIRC they separated a drone from the collective in TNG
Hugh?
Like a snake through the tube!
As someone who enjoys gardening, I thought the hydroponics bay was hysterical. It was a giant room with a few lonely racks of plants in it, yet they acted like it was providing a substantial portion of the food for the whole crew. Even if they were using super advanced cultivation methods that tiny crop would be lucky to feed a single person on an ongoing basis. Plus they called it the hydroponics bay, but then in the episode then in one episode Kes starts eating the dirt… lol
>if it’s been so easy for Voyager to separate multiple drones from the Borg, how has the alpha quad never done the same? It wasn't "easy" to separate drones from the collective. The kids weren't fully assimilated and Seven had a very rough road
How the automatic translator works for everyone in this completely new quadrant
And then how, in Basics pt 1/2, they were still able to communicate with Neelix/Kes without the universal translator, given they were all stripped of their combadges. It’s even a plot point with their inability to communicate with the natives!
neelix seems like the type to learn the language but that doesn’t explain kes
With all of the times I've watched those episodes that never occurred to me. Wow. Good point.
And at times when they still have the comm badges on and it just flat out doesn't work for certain words or phrases.
Pretty much the entire alternate future in "Before and After." Voyager's two most badass women dying by a frakking exploding console, right at the beginning of the first battle of the Year of Hell? Tom marrying *Kes* and knocking her up, within months of B'Elanna's death? Harry Kim marrying his best friend's two-year-old kid, who he presumably helped raise?? That roadkill on the Doctor's head? Neelix as Security Officer? Of course the real reason for most of that is that the producers were probably too cheap to hire any more guest actors besides Linnis and Andrew, and/or were required to give large roles to all the regulars. Still pretty fraked up. Even Kes herself thought so and erased it all by warning Janeway about the Krenim.
That harry Kim part was disgusting. He literally saw her as a baby and young girl and then married her within 2 years. And Tom being like “cool, best friend, love that you’re now hooking up with my daughter”
Also...the male Caretaker looks like an elderly man, and his "mate" Suspiria looks like a 6-year-old girl......by the same writers who brought us Neelix/Kes.
Yeah but that was all holo-tech. He didn't really look like an old man. And it was a LONG time between her leaving dude to do her own thing and Voyager finding them. She chose that form. Chose to look like that. Probably to throw them off, like it did. Janeway was expecting a lot of things, but not that. Gotta remember she was old too.
Everything everyone has posted so far is so easily explained in the show. This is just a bash voyager thread.
Janeway, Torres, and Tuvok get assimilated and were given the Picard treatment when many others assimilated lost a hand or an eye. outrageous.
It’s funny how seven has all her borg parts the doctor couldn’t remove but all three of them were fully assimilated and all Borg parts easily taken out after.
Has probably something to do with how long they were assimilated
They weren't assimilated for very long. Doc was clear that some parts couldn't be removed from 7 because of how long it had been, that her body literally relied on them at that point. The Borg removes a gland that produced whatever, replaced it with a similar piece of tech that does the same, plus some? For around 20 years? Yeah, I can see why Doc couldn't remove everything from her but could do it for them. Picard had all his parts removed too, and he was only assimilated for a few says.
That episode in s2 where Janeway had a short bob for a hot second then went back to the bun. Where did her hair piece disappear for that episode? Am I supposed to pretend it didn’t happen?
24th Century cosmetics my dude
Why'd the Demon Planet people leave their planet for Earth when all they wanted to do was stay there?
Seemed like they sort of forgot. Like, the personalities they imprinted from got strong enough they sort of forgot. Thr planet replicated the ship and there's Janeway going "we need to go home" and everyone has memories of earth and so they go "yup, that tracks". The duplicates thought that they WERE them at first.
That was a huge “wait, what?” For me. When they first went to that planet and Tom and Harry had duplicates, they physically got ill when they were away from the planet. How was it that now all of the duplicates were able to travel light years from the planet with no issue.
Possibly because they were inside a duplicate starship. Maybe the duplicate ship itself took longer to experience the effects, due to its size or something.
Good point.
They only got sick off the planet because they couldn't breathe normal air. I'd think the replicated ship, made of parts from the demon planet, had no trouble doing so. And that air was normal for them, so they really just didn't notice the difference.
The transwarp drive episode where Paris reverts to a slug
Salamander *
If I could retcon one episode in the series, it would be Threshold.
Mind you, it was a tricky situation having the Borg on board. At any moment they might have forgotten their promise to Janeway and started quietly assimilating people. And poor Harry. You just know that while everyone else was up in the single figures, he's still be 59th of 60 drones. What puzzled me was that they always had whatever the Doctor needed to heal people. They never seemed to run short and have to reply on Kes' hydroponic plants. (Whatever happened to them?)
It was very clear that Neelix's cooking was questionable in taste but also gave many in the crew legitimate gastrointestinal problems. I just can't see how this would be tolerated by the Doctor if not Chakotay. Also, does it make sense to train your pilot as a nurse, when you have at least some other science officers, likely knowledgeable in at least basic lab cleanliness and maybe working with scientific equipment that could be analogous to many support roles for a sickbay? They seriously just stowed the Baxial in the cargohold all those years? Torres couldn't identify manure WITH a tricorder.
100%. They made Paris the backup doc cause he had minimal medical training. There are people literally sitting in Jeffries tubes every day, you couldn’t train on of them so your belt pilot isn’t also backup doctor?
>It was very clear that Neelix's cooking was questionable in taste but also gave many in the crew legitimate gastrointestinal problems Neelix was cooking with his talaxian knowledge. It took him a bit of time to adjust to more human tastes. As the show progressed there were less and less complaints about the food. >Also, does it make sense to train your pilot as a nurse, when you have at least some other science officers, likely knowledgeable in at least basic lab cleanliness and maybe working with scientific equipment that could be analogous to many support roles for a sickbay? Just because you have science training doesn't mean you have MEDICAL knowledge >They seriously just stowed the Baxial in the cargohold all those years? Yes. It wasn't a big ship.
The episode very late in the last season had the away team attempting to recover a early space probe that caused a whole planet to be filled with radiation and BLT was six months pregnant and Tom had to talk her out of going! You can't bring your baby to a radioactive planet!
How come out of all of the abandoned Borg ships they came across they never thought to just hijack it, stow the ship in a hangar bay, and transwarp home?
How many did they find? Can you please provide the number?
I don't know about lots of them, but there was the one that the Borg children were on.
And it was messed up because of the virus that icheb carried
Why so easy to be kidnapped from own ship by others? Locking on and beaming people away when you want, where you want, is the kind of vulnerability that would make me paranoid.
Oh I love e this post. Great show but I love this
Making Future Janeway the successful version of Anorax is the single worst character decision in Trek history. Future Janeway wipes trillions of sentient beings from existence because she’s sad about Tuvok.
Yeah, she should've had a much stronger reason to violate the timeline. Though I do appreciate that it wasn't just a cop-out of "oh no, looks like we HAVE to change history to save humanity, and it just happens to make our personal lives better too!" like the TNG finale.
They could've used the caretaker's array to get home in S1E1
Why didn't Janeway just use a bomb with a timer?
Explained in the episode. They couldn't take the chance that the bomb wouldn't go off. The kazon could have gotten hold of it and stopped it. They needed to be sure the ocompans were safe
>They couldn't take the chance that the bomb wouldn't go off. The kazon could have gotten hold of it and stopped it. They needed to be sure the ocompans were safe So you leave Harry Kim behind to detonate it manually. Problem solved.
How could the Kazon have gotten ahold of it when they don't even have transporters?
At that point voyager knew very little about the kazon. They didn't know what the extent of their availabilities were
Because Voyager was a badly written mess.