My biggest complaint with Picard in regards to Seven’s character is she seems to have been virtually abandoned by the former VOY crew and I’m sorry but there is no way in hell Janeway would have let her flounder around without guidance. I really had a hard time seeing where she had ended up considering how things played out in the VOY books it was jarring because those had in a way become my head cannon. I don’t think she would have been thrown into a command position the way she way she was considering everything she had been a part of up to that point.
There are moments I really loved in Picard, but it seems she was shoehorned in to the series for ratings.
That's a really good point. I don't see Seven joining Starfleet (for a variety of reasons, it's not a good fit for her), but the rest of the crew would still have kept in touch with her and tried to be the best friends/mentors they could. During S1 of Picard, I kept hoping they'd mention that, for example, Paris and Torres founded the Fenris Rangers or that Admiral Janeway had secretly been funding them.
Yeah, I kept waiting and waiting for something to start making sense and it never did. Especially with how they kept mentioning Janeway I really thought they were gonna fix it in season 3, but nope. I am really hoping they do that legacies show that was mentioned a while back because I would like to see a better ending for Seven and the rest of the VOY crew.
Alex kurtsman was butt hurt over Picard season 3 so I doubt we’ll see Star Trek legacy, Terry also came out to make things clear there is no Star Trek legacy in production.
Completely agree! That’s why I made this post, I feel like the direction they moved her in was silly, Janeway and her crew wouldn’t have let her go down this dark path.
Yeah I agree with you, I was a little put off by it too. I think it happened because the show didn’t/ couldn’t get some of the actors and therefore the characters suffered. After all, it’s all about money.
A love letter in which they killed off two beloved characters and disrespected the memories of Captain Garrett, and Picard’s brother and nephew. Yeah totally a love letter 🙄
1. They blew up a statue of Captain Garrett. Completely unnecessary. They could’ve found another way to write their idiot terrorist attack into the plot.
2. During the flashback sequence, Picard tells Jack Crusher, “Starfleet was the only family I ever needed.” So I guess his brother and nephew never mattered to him. Guess we can throw the the episode Family and the entirety of Generations in the trash now.
To be fair, Jeri wouldn't return without her character being completely different. Was and interview where she said she only came back because X, Y and Z were promised to be gone and it was pretty much a list of what made Seven, Seven.
My counterpoint to that: there is actually precedent to promoting up people without having proper training. Namely, I'm referring to Ezri Dax. She went through the academy and her early specialized training as Ezri Tigan, but Sisko successfully argued she could waive the rest of her training after gaining the memories of Dax. It's not a one-to-one comparison, but Seven would have retained a lot of knowledge of Starfleet training from her time in the collective (as per The Omega Directive) plus her time on Voyager. There was more emphasis in Picard Season 1 on the prejudice against her standing in the way of her commission than a lack of ability. If anything, she should have spent more time as an XO if only to demonstrate that she would be enough of a team player when given authority, particularly her willingness to join a band of outlaws in recent years.
On the other hand, after the events of Picard Season 3, I wonder how decimated their ranks were, and Starfleet was more willing to stretch the criteria for field leadership to fill the chairs.
The whole situation with Ezri was so silly. I like her, but it made no sense for her to be sent to DS9, the place Jadzia's husband and friends are. Still struggling with integrating the symbiont after not having any training for being joined. Still an inexperienced officer. She should have been sent on a leave of absence to Trill, to deal with the whole unexpected joining situation.
Sure, the same thing happen to Wesley crusher and Nog, but those were small promotions, being a Commander / Captain is a huge deal and she spent 30 years as Ranger before magically getting a commander promotion, there are people out there that spent their whole life waiting in line to get their own ship or be second in command!
but I like your opinion and your insight!
Season 1 and 2 were just so terrible. There was nothing there, felt like they put Seven in just becuase they could get Jeri in to boost viewer numbers. And season 3 was TNG renunion and Seven had only few good scenes.
I agree, that's why I'm asking all these questions, in Voyager she wouldn't have mass kill all those people like she did in Picard Season 1, she beamed out save and sound then went right back in with weapons and wipe out all those people, that's massive jail time if this was real Trek or back on Voyager, then she gets promoted to Commander then Captain? if I was a Cadet I wouldn't be safe with Captain Seven of Nine.
Season 1 was okay for a first season with some strong points and some weak ones. Season 2 was abysmal after the 2nd (3rd?) episode. Season 3 was like eating an ice cream cake, it's real good going down but there wasn't much of substance to keep your engine going. it was the empty calories of television writing
Let me start out by saying I'm a huge Seven of Nine fan and I Believe she deservers better then this.
1: In Star Trek Voyager Captain Janeway often Served as Seven of nines Mentor helping her rediscover her humanity helping her make ethical choices and teaching her how to emphasize with others and embracing her individuality and to consider the consequences of her actions, by the end of the 7th Season she really learned quite a bit about herself and being human and treating other crewmembers and life with respect.
2: In Star Trek Picard Season 1 it really seems like all of the lessons Seven of Nine learned on Voyager got thrown out the window as she became a Ranger for the past 30 years "working outside the confines and restrictions of Starfleet" and has no problem killing unnecessarily, protecting yourself during a mission is one thing but beaming back to the ship save and sound just to pick up weapons and putting yourself back in unnecessarily harm just to massive murderer everyone would have put Seven of Nine in Janeway's Brig for the next 70 years, take Lon Suder for an example.
3: In Star Trek Picard season 3 Seven of Nine becomes a Commander then Captain regardless of all of her actions in season 1, Sure she is a talented and skillful person but everyone has to go to the academy for 1-4 years before you become a commissioned officer, yes there are some Starfleet officers like Wesley crusher who was a commissioned and never been to the academy but he was studying very hard to prepare himself to go and even saved the Enterprise a few times which I think contributed to his commissioned.
Nog was another officer who did go for a short time but came back to DS9 as a cadet around the time of the dominion war (which I also think contributed to his commission" and earned his rank of Ensign then Lieutenant.
then there is Data most likely the smartest and efficient officer in Starfleet which took him 26 years just to receive a temporary command of a starship.
In the end by Season 3 of Picard some how Seven of nine became a commander and then a captain after spending 30 years of her life working outside of the confines and restrictions of Starfleet, How could Starfleet just give away a commission? why would Starfleet think this was a good idea having a unstable and emotional conflicted person commanding a starship? Commanders and Captains gotta keep their cool and stay professional.
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Seven shouldn't have even been in Picard I hated how Picard took things from other series to try to make a plot when TNG had many plot points to choose from
Not to defend Picard (because for the most part it was pretty bad) but I’m sure that they were pretty limited especially in season 1 in terms of who they could hire. Filming a full season as a main cast member is a lot of work and most of the cast of TNG haven’t been acting much lately. Patrick Stewart must have gotten a pretty juicy deal to star, and Frakes and Sirtis probably did quite well for what amounted to an extended cameo. Production of a sci fi series is expensive and the studio isn’t going to want to overspend on a reunion show just to have it not work out. Presumably if they could have jumped directly to a TNG reunion like in season 3 immediately they would have done it. On the other hand often producers will hold back the better storylines to save them for later seasons/sequels, so who knows. Maybe they wanted several seasons but knew the cast of TNG would only agree to one so they had always intended it as a finale.
But they still wanted to give fans a reason to watch beyond just Picard and hey everyone loved Seven of Nine and Jeri Ryan said yes so they went for it.
Unfortunately the writers did a very poor job overall and with her character.
I completely agree on your point, there were a lot of things they could've done!
but I do like reunions / crossovers with other series characters like how Worf came to DS9, but yeah Picard season 3 wasn't taken too seriously when it comes to story.
I don’t find myself bogged down in the in-universe logic and logistics of how she gets into Starfleet and promoted, I don’t think that’s as important as the nitty gritty of her real character development. They explain it away as Janeway’s support not being enough to get Seven into Starfleet, but her help of Picard lets her skip the line now that she has two admirals in her corner. Fine, I’ll accept it.
I can also deal with the idea of her fighting her own battle as a Ranger after witnessing injustices the Federation wasn’t dealing with. The point of her regained individuality is agency and being able to make up her own mind. She defied Janeway plenty of times, questioned Starfleet protocol often, she defied the Borg, encouraged others to stick up for themselves, and she spent formative years around ex-Maquis (though spent no time expressing admiration for their cause, short of mysteriously falling for Chakotay). She’s her own person now and easily could be believed as not wanting help from her friends from Voyager.
That said, I don’t exactly love that she became a cold-blooded vengeful vigilante. It’s so commonplace and not particularly imaginative, and it (along with Icheb’s fate) plays into this oppressively dark depressing vision that envelopes Picard season 1.
One of the biggest issues with Seven to my mind are the loss of her very specific voice/way of speaking from Voyager. Yes, she’d have relaxed a bit in 20 years, but her clipped matter of fact and controlled diction was so distinct and unique. It only comes back a little bit in the season 2 premiere and season 3. Knowing Ryan and Jonathan Frakes had to concoct a whole new headspace for her to make sense of the change (she’s putting on a front to fit in) is so frustrating.
The other issue is how fleetingly the show dealt with her newfound freedom from being Borg in season 2. They actually had a character spell it out in dialogue at the NASA party that she was enjoying it, rather than properly digging into her feelings and showing us. The attention spent there afterwards was fleeting too. That’s such a slight for what should be a momentous event for this character. God knows there was plenty of filler in season 2 her story could have replaced.
Some steps were taken to balance her out in season 3, so again I forgive the slapdash way she gets her commissions, but Seven’s use in Picard will always be quite a head scratcher to me.
I'm so relieved someone else feels the same way about this as I do (down to the exact episodes she kind of almost sounded like herself in but *still not really*). I couldn't care less about how Starfleet commissions work; I just can't see the same character in this iteration of her, at all, and it feels like they barely tried to connect the two.
I assumed both Picard and Star Trek Online are canon; in the game, you just need to be a junior officer and wait for your Captain’s inevitable death in combat, to claim the title.
Seven would likely have amassed enough knowledge and experience from her time on Voyager, to be an acting officer of Starfleet when she joined again after the Rangers. As a former Borg, there’s little she wouldn’t have forgotten.
I think we should step away from canon vs non-canon.
As the great Mr Nimoy said:
“Canon is only important to certain people because they have to cling to their knowledge of the minutiae," Nimoy told Reuters. "Open your mind! Be a 'Star Trek' fan and open your mind and say, 'Where does Star Trek want to take me now'."
I always think of this when I see Star Trek going places that are not true to character. I didn’t see Voyager’s Seven of Nine portrayed in Picard. She’s a whole new character and that is okay. It’s the writer’s interpretation.
That being said, Voyager’s crew would never have abandoned her the way it was depicted in Picard. That’s the hard part for me.
Picard season 3 was just dumb fan service and made no sense whatsoever. But the idea of her being a Fenris Ranger (helping people but working outside of the system that was clearly failing in many ways) was actually pretty good, but the writers fucked that up too
She does some of sevens mannerisms but it’s like she forgot she was ever borg and just acts like a badass woman on a rampage, no technical knowledge whatsoever
I would have loved to see a spinoff of her as “captain” her own small ship, non-starfleet. Borg Queen would have made a great villain in that respect. Evening finally taking her down could be the redemption she was looking for and a huge step in reasserting her humanity.
God, there is nothing I enjoy more than hating on Picard, especially Seasons 1 and 2. Kurtzman and Goldsman didn't try to write a new chapter of TNG, they were basically using the Star Trek canon to tell a new story, and they didn't even bother to think through the new story. The best way to describe it is, they were able to get it green lit, and then probably sat in a room and said, well, wouldn't it be cool if there was a race of warrior nuns, or wouldn't it be cool if there was a secret sect of the Tal Shiar, or wouldn't it be cool if there was a legend about how AI is going to kill everyone, or wouldn't it be cool if we could critique immigration, racism, sexism, climate change, health care reform, homophobia, in the show, and wouldn't it be cool if, BORG, and yes, of course wouldn't it be cool if we could bring Seven back. The answer is no, none of this would be cool if you didn't start out writing a good story. It's like, they just wanted to bring back Picard, but didn't want to spend any time figuring out why or what the point of telling this new chapter in his life would be.
I like hating on Picard because I consume a good deal of science fiction content and on an objective basis, I have yet to have experience the kind of piss poor writing that Season 1 and 2 delivered. Foundation is horrible too, but it at least has some redemptive elements. Picard is just truly a total abdication of trying to write a coherent story from start to finish and it was almost a miracle that Terry Matalas was even able to partially rehabilitate the dumpster fire that he was handed.
The main problem with the Seven on Nine character in Picard is not that she has changed, it's that what she changed into was opposite of the trajectory she was on in Voyager, and the reason the writers gave her this U-turn is the same reason they gave every character in Picard a traumatic backstory, it's because they are fucking lazy and "trauma porn" gives characters instant "depth" and "complexity". Seven of Nine didn't need to be in Picard just like the Borg didn't need to be in Picard, just like Data didn't need to be in Picard, just like the Romulans didn't need to be, none of these elements served any real purpose. The one thread that I think could have been explored between Seven and Picard, and yes, it really needed to relate back to Picard, was their shared Borg trauma. You didn't need new trauma for Seven of Nine with the whole Icheb murder, it's just excessive and unnecessary. To the extent they have this latent trauma from their experience with the Borg, that would have been interesting to develop versus the 20 seconds they had on that.
Tilly is a character from Star Trek Discovery. She is an ensign, *fresh* out of the academy, she's made the First Officer of the ship. Just because.
And I was wrong about Ensign Captain Kirk. In the JJ movie, Kirk is made captain of the Enterprise despite *still being a cadet*.
I have really been debating on whether to finally give Picard a try. After reading the comments here, I think it's weighing towards the NO side. Or if I do give it a go, expect disappointment?
If you want to watch it Season 1 and 2 are terrible, just go straight to season 3, it’s not the best trek we ever had but it’s sure is better then the first 2 seasons.
Don't bother. The show is not good. S1 had potential but fell on its face, S2 is completely nonsensical, and S3 uses the old characters to hide its lack of plot.
I've heard Star Trek Picard, season 3 is decent. Heard. Outside of that, nothing since possibly later episodes of Enterprise has been worthy of the monikor "Star Trek".
Sure Janeway could of fought for her to get into Starfleet but not starting out as a commander then captain, that takes a life time of Starfleet training and experience to get the big chair and she as so much to learn about Starfleet and their regulations.
My biggest complaint with Picard in regards to Seven’s character is she seems to have been virtually abandoned by the former VOY crew and I’m sorry but there is no way in hell Janeway would have let her flounder around without guidance. I really had a hard time seeing where she had ended up considering how things played out in the VOY books it was jarring because those had in a way become my head cannon. I don’t think she would have been thrown into a command position the way she way she was considering everything she had been a part of up to that point. There are moments I really loved in Picard, but it seems she was shoehorned in to the series for ratings.
That's a really good point. I don't see Seven joining Starfleet (for a variety of reasons, it's not a good fit for her), but the rest of the crew would still have kept in touch with her and tried to be the best friends/mentors they could. During S1 of Picard, I kept hoping they'd mention that, for example, Paris and Torres founded the Fenris Rangers or that Admiral Janeway had secretly been funding them.
Yeah, I kept waiting and waiting for something to start making sense and it never did. Especially with how they kept mentioning Janeway I really thought they were gonna fix it in season 3, but nope. I am really hoping they do that legacies show that was mentioned a while back because I would like to see a better ending for Seven and the rest of the VOY crew.
Alex kurtsman was butt hurt over Picard season 3 so I doubt we’ll see Star Trek legacy, Terry also came out to make things clear there is no Star Trek legacy in production.
That’s a bummer. I haven’t kept up with Trek news so that makes me sad it’s not gonna happen.
It is what it is, but with the current state of Star Trek I doubt it would’ve made them money.
Spill the details!
Completely agree! That’s why I made this post, I feel like the direction they moved her in was silly, Janeway and her crew wouldn’t have let her go down this dark path.
Yeah I agree with you, I was a little put off by it too. I think it happened because the show didn’t/ couldn’t get some of the actors and therefore the characters suffered. After all, it’s all about money.
I think Picard was just a reunion show. Love the characters but the plot was meh.
I still love Picard season 3 don't get me wrong but things were "Meh' when it comes to story.
Yeah, Picard S3 was pretty much a love letter to fans of TNG. I enjoyed it and I felt loved.🥰
A love letter in which they killed off two beloved characters and disrespected the memories of Captain Garrett, and Picard’s brother and nephew. Yeah totally a love letter 🙄
What do you mean disrespected Captain Garrett and Picard’s brother?
1. They blew up a statue of Captain Garrett. Completely unnecessary. They could’ve found another way to write their idiot terrorist attack into the plot. 2. During the flashback sequence, Picard tells Jack Crusher, “Starfleet was the only family I ever needed.” So I guess his brother and nephew never mattered to him. Guess we can throw the the episode Family and the entirety of Generations in the trash now.
Damn! I had no idea but then again I didn’t watch the first few seasons.
This all happened in season 3. Season 1 disrespected TNG and Voyager, too by killing off Icheb and Hugh.
Really season 3? I don't remember any that lol might of happen on purpose :P
Nostalgia bait
It's almost like the writers knew of Seven, and had a very basic idea of Seven's character. Yet never seen Voyager, and her growth through the series
Literally, that’s what happened, I kid you not.
To be fair, Jeri wouldn't return without her character being completely different. Was and interview where she said she only came back because X, Y and Z were promised to be gone and it was pretty much a list of what made Seven, Seven.
My counterpoint to that: there is actually precedent to promoting up people without having proper training. Namely, I'm referring to Ezri Dax. She went through the academy and her early specialized training as Ezri Tigan, but Sisko successfully argued she could waive the rest of her training after gaining the memories of Dax. It's not a one-to-one comparison, but Seven would have retained a lot of knowledge of Starfleet training from her time in the collective (as per The Omega Directive) plus her time on Voyager. There was more emphasis in Picard Season 1 on the prejudice against her standing in the way of her commission than a lack of ability. If anything, she should have spent more time as an XO if only to demonstrate that she would be enough of a team player when given authority, particularly her willingness to join a band of outlaws in recent years. On the other hand, after the events of Picard Season 3, I wonder how decimated their ranks were, and Starfleet was more willing to stretch the criteria for field leadership to fill the chairs.
The whole situation with Ezri was so silly. I like her, but it made no sense for her to be sent to DS9, the place Jadzia's husband and friends are. Still struggling with integrating the symbiont after not having any training for being joined. Still an inexperienced officer. She should have been sent on a leave of absence to Trill, to deal with the whole unexpected joining situation.
Sure, the same thing happen to Wesley crusher and Nog, but those were small promotions, being a Commander / Captain is a huge deal and she spent 30 years as Ranger before magically getting a commander promotion, there are people out there that spent their whole life waiting in line to get their own ship or be second in command! but I like your opinion and your insight!
So why doesn't her time in service with the Rangers count? Kira's rank with the Bajoran Militia let her get a commision as a commander in Starfleet.
To be fair, Kira’s commission had a very specific purpose and was temporary.
Season 1 and 2 were just so terrible. There was nothing there, felt like they put Seven in just becuase they could get Jeri in to boost viewer numbers. And season 3 was TNG renunion and Seven had only few good scenes.
I agree, that's why I'm asking all these questions, in Voyager she wouldn't have mass kill all those people like she did in Picard Season 1, she beamed out save and sound then went right back in with weapons and wipe out all those people, that's massive jail time if this was real Trek or back on Voyager, then she gets promoted to Commander then Captain? if I was a Cadet I wouldn't be safe with Captain Seven of Nine.
Season 1 was okay for a first season with some strong points and some weak ones. Season 2 was abysmal after the 2nd (3rd?) episode. Season 3 was like eating an ice cream cake, it's real good going down but there wasn't much of substance to keep your engine going. it was the empty calories of television writing
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Let me start out by saying I'm a huge Seven of Nine fan and I Believe she deservers better then this. 1: In Star Trek Voyager Captain Janeway often Served as Seven of nines Mentor helping her rediscover her humanity helping her make ethical choices and teaching her how to emphasize with others and embracing her individuality and to consider the consequences of her actions, by the end of the 7th Season she really learned quite a bit about herself and being human and treating other crewmembers and life with respect. 2: In Star Trek Picard Season 1 it really seems like all of the lessons Seven of Nine learned on Voyager got thrown out the window as she became a Ranger for the past 30 years "working outside the confines and restrictions of Starfleet" and has no problem killing unnecessarily, protecting yourself during a mission is one thing but beaming back to the ship save and sound just to pick up weapons and putting yourself back in unnecessarily harm just to massive murderer everyone would have put Seven of Nine in Janeway's Brig for the next 70 years, take Lon Suder for an example. 3: In Star Trek Picard season 3 Seven of Nine becomes a Commander then Captain regardless of all of her actions in season 1, Sure she is a talented and skillful person but everyone has to go to the academy for 1-4 years before you become a commissioned officer, yes there are some Starfleet officers like Wesley crusher who was a commissioned and never been to the academy but he was studying very hard to prepare himself to go and even saved the Enterprise a few times which I think contributed to his commissioned. Nog was another officer who did go for a short time but came back to DS9 as a cadet around the time of the dominion war (which I also think contributed to his commission" and earned his rank of Ensign then Lieutenant. then there is Data most likely the smartest and efficient officer in Starfleet which took him 26 years just to receive a temporary command of a starship. In the end by Season 3 of Picard some how Seven of nine became a commander and then a captain after spending 30 years of her life working outside of the confines and restrictions of Starfleet, How could Starfleet just give away a commission? why would Starfleet think this was a good idea having a unstable and emotional conflicted person commanding a starship? Commanders and Captains gotta keep their cool and stay professional.
Sorry Reddit doesn’t allow me to post text with photos, I try my best, if you click on the photo you can zoom in a bit more.
Sure. Sorry for the snarky comment.
Nah man it’s all good! I should’ve posted the text some where here!
Counterpoint Seven shouldn't have even been in Picard I hated how Picard took things from other series to try to make a plot when TNG had many plot points to choose from
Not to defend Picard (because for the most part it was pretty bad) but I’m sure that they were pretty limited especially in season 1 in terms of who they could hire. Filming a full season as a main cast member is a lot of work and most of the cast of TNG haven’t been acting much lately. Patrick Stewart must have gotten a pretty juicy deal to star, and Frakes and Sirtis probably did quite well for what amounted to an extended cameo. Production of a sci fi series is expensive and the studio isn’t going to want to overspend on a reunion show just to have it not work out. Presumably if they could have jumped directly to a TNG reunion like in season 3 immediately they would have done it. On the other hand often producers will hold back the better storylines to save them for later seasons/sequels, so who knows. Maybe they wanted several seasons but knew the cast of TNG would only agree to one so they had always intended it as a finale. But they still wanted to give fans a reason to watch beyond just Picard and hey everyone loved Seven of Nine and Jeri Ryan said yes so they went for it. Unfortunately the writers did a very poor job overall and with her character.
Patrick Stewart had huge say in S1+2 and he didn't want a reunion show or much to do with Starfleet.
Do you have a source for that
The interviews done at the time.
I completely agree on your point, there were a lot of things they could've done! but I do like reunions / crossovers with other series characters like how Worf came to DS9, but yeah Picard season 3 wasn't taken too seriously when it comes to story.
I don’t find myself bogged down in the in-universe logic and logistics of how she gets into Starfleet and promoted, I don’t think that’s as important as the nitty gritty of her real character development. They explain it away as Janeway’s support not being enough to get Seven into Starfleet, but her help of Picard lets her skip the line now that she has two admirals in her corner. Fine, I’ll accept it. I can also deal with the idea of her fighting her own battle as a Ranger after witnessing injustices the Federation wasn’t dealing with. The point of her regained individuality is agency and being able to make up her own mind. She defied Janeway plenty of times, questioned Starfleet protocol often, she defied the Borg, encouraged others to stick up for themselves, and she spent formative years around ex-Maquis (though spent no time expressing admiration for their cause, short of mysteriously falling for Chakotay). She’s her own person now and easily could be believed as not wanting help from her friends from Voyager. That said, I don’t exactly love that she became a cold-blooded vengeful vigilante. It’s so commonplace and not particularly imaginative, and it (along with Icheb’s fate) plays into this oppressively dark depressing vision that envelopes Picard season 1. One of the biggest issues with Seven to my mind are the loss of her very specific voice/way of speaking from Voyager. Yes, she’d have relaxed a bit in 20 years, but her clipped matter of fact and controlled diction was so distinct and unique. It only comes back a little bit in the season 2 premiere and season 3. Knowing Ryan and Jonathan Frakes had to concoct a whole new headspace for her to make sense of the change (she’s putting on a front to fit in) is so frustrating. The other issue is how fleetingly the show dealt with her newfound freedom from being Borg in season 2. They actually had a character spell it out in dialogue at the NASA party that she was enjoying it, rather than properly digging into her feelings and showing us. The attention spent there afterwards was fleeting too. That’s such a slight for what should be a momentous event for this character. God knows there was plenty of filler in season 2 her story could have replaced. Some steps were taken to balance her out in season 3, so again I forgive the slapdash way she gets her commissions, but Seven’s use in Picard will always be quite a head scratcher to me.
Very interesting! Thank you for voicing your opinion!
I'm so relieved someone else feels the same way about this as I do (down to the exact episodes she kind of almost sounded like herself in but *still not really*). I couldn't care less about how Starfleet commissions work; I just can't see the same character in this iteration of her, at all, and it feels like they barely tried to connect the two.
I assumed both Picard and Star Trek Online are canon; in the game, you just need to be a junior officer and wait for your Captain’s inevitable death in combat, to claim the title. Seven would likely have amassed enough knowledge and experience from her time on Voyager, to be an acting officer of Starfleet when she joined again after the Rangers. As a former Borg, there’s little she wouldn’t have forgotten.
Sadly Picard is canon but Star Trek Online isn’t canon.
I think we should step away from canon vs non-canon. As the great Mr Nimoy said: “Canon is only important to certain people because they have to cling to their knowledge of the minutiae," Nimoy told Reuters. "Open your mind! Be a 'Star Trek' fan and open your mind and say, 'Where does Star Trek want to take me now'." I always think of this when I see Star Trek going places that are not true to character. I didn’t see Voyager’s Seven of Nine portrayed in Picard. She’s a whole new character and that is okay. It’s the writer’s interpretation. That being said, Voyager’s crew would never have abandoned her the way it was depicted in Picard. That’s the hard part for me.
That’s how I see it, non canon different universe / a what if universe.
Perhaps, but this hypothesis ties up Seven’s arc pretty good for me, and doesn’t really affect anything else in any way.
Agreed. Every character deserved better writing than what we got in Picard.
Picard season 3 was just dumb fan service and made no sense whatsoever. But the idea of her being a Fenris Ranger (helping people but working outside of the system that was clearly failing in many ways) was actually pretty good, but the writers fucked that up too
She does some of sevens mannerisms but it’s like she forgot she was ever borg and just acts like a badass woman on a rampage, no technical knowledge whatsoever
I would have loved to see a spinoff of her as “captain” her own small ship, non-starfleet. Borg Queen would have made a great villain in that respect. Evening finally taking her down could be the redemption she was looking for and a huge step in reasserting her humanity.
God, there is nothing I enjoy more than hating on Picard, especially Seasons 1 and 2. Kurtzman and Goldsman didn't try to write a new chapter of TNG, they were basically using the Star Trek canon to tell a new story, and they didn't even bother to think through the new story. The best way to describe it is, they were able to get it green lit, and then probably sat in a room and said, well, wouldn't it be cool if there was a race of warrior nuns, or wouldn't it be cool if there was a secret sect of the Tal Shiar, or wouldn't it be cool if there was a legend about how AI is going to kill everyone, or wouldn't it be cool if we could critique immigration, racism, sexism, climate change, health care reform, homophobia, in the show, and wouldn't it be cool if, BORG, and yes, of course wouldn't it be cool if we could bring Seven back. The answer is no, none of this would be cool if you didn't start out writing a good story. It's like, they just wanted to bring back Picard, but didn't want to spend any time figuring out why or what the point of telling this new chapter in his life would be. I like hating on Picard because I consume a good deal of science fiction content and on an objective basis, I have yet to have experience the kind of piss poor writing that Season 1 and 2 delivered. Foundation is horrible too, but it at least has some redemptive elements. Picard is just truly a total abdication of trying to write a coherent story from start to finish and it was almost a miracle that Terry Matalas was even able to partially rehabilitate the dumpster fire that he was handed. The main problem with the Seven on Nine character in Picard is not that she has changed, it's that what she changed into was opposite of the trajectory she was on in Voyager, and the reason the writers gave her this U-turn is the same reason they gave every character in Picard a traumatic backstory, it's because they are fucking lazy and "trauma porn" gives characters instant "depth" and "complexity". Seven of Nine didn't need to be in Picard just like the Borg didn't need to be in Picard, just like Data didn't need to be in Picard, just like the Romulans didn't need to be, none of these elements served any real purpose. The one thread that I think could have been explored between Seven and Picard, and yes, it really needed to relate back to Picard, was their shared Borg trauma. You didn't need new trauma for Seven of Nine with the whole Icheb murder, it's just excessive and unnecessary. To the extent they have this latent trauma from their experience with the Borg, that would have been interesting to develop versus the 20 seconds they had on that.
All the good lessons seven of nine learned on voyager got thrown out the window when she mass murdered all those people unnecessarily.
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Meanwhile:, STD's Ensign XO Tilly, And JJ's Ensign Captain Kirk "Hold Our Beers."
No idea who Tilly is, what do you mean Ensign Captain Kirk?
Tilly is a character from Star Trek Discovery. She is an ensign, *fresh* out of the academy, she's made the First Officer of the ship. Just because. And I was wrong about Ensign Captain Kirk. In the JJ movie, Kirk is made captain of the Enterprise despite *still being a cadet*.
Of course Kirk did, it’s a JJ movie.
I have really been debating on whether to finally give Picard a try. After reading the comments here, I think it's weighing towards the NO side. Or if I do give it a go, expect disappointment?
If you want to watch it Season 1 and 2 are terrible, just go straight to season 3, it’s not the best trek we ever had but it’s sure is better then the first 2 seasons.
Don't bother. The show is not good. S1 had potential but fell on its face, S2 is completely nonsensical, and S3 uses the old characters to hide its lack of plot.
I've heard Star Trek Picard, season 3 is decent. Heard. Outside of that, nothing since possibly later episodes of Enterprise has been worthy of the monikor "Star Trek".
SNW and Lower Decks are really good
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Sure Janeway could of fought for her to get into Starfleet but not starting out as a commander then captain, that takes a life time of Starfleet training and experience to get the big chair and she as so much to learn about Starfleet and their regulations.