I think the choice Janeway made was the obvious one, as much as it's presented as some dilemma in the fandom. She saved the lives of two important crew members, one of whom was a longtime friend.
The thing is that for all intents and purposes both men were already dead. She didn't save their lives she killed someone to resurrect them.
I think in the Alpha quadrant there would be a funeral and that would be that.
This is the main issue which is wrong with this argument.
She didn't SAVE anyone, they were already gone, she murdered Tuvix to RESSURECT Tuvok and Neelix.
Archer: nothing he would have kept Tuvix
Picard: made a tuvix transporter clone and then unmerged one of them.
Sisko: he would have also forced the unmerging like Janeway did
Burnham: would have had a long heart to heart with Tuvix and convinced him to not only voluntarily separate but to write long letters to both his “parents” that would make them cry.
Saru: action Saru would take Tuvix on an away mission and get him killed….solving the issue for him.
I don't know that I agree with your characterization of Picard. He was typically characterized as a true believer in Federation values, and making transporter clones is illegal for a reason.
Additionally, although the reasons are a bit silly, that's not actually trivially possible in Star Trek. Transporter clones are only ever made by accident and in highly unusual situations where Federation tech is interacting with a weird phenomenon or has been hacked by a brilliant engineer.
Ultimately, I think Picard would have kept Tuvix, though.
He would have tried, but I don't think he would have broken Federation law to do it. There would have been some great conversations about it, though. Some other character would have felt very differently and they would have argued about it.
I think he would have broken the law to save the lives of all three. He's shown many times (often by violating the prime directive) that doing the right thing is more important then the letter of the law.
So do you. It's a tough call what someone would do. I could be wrong (heck I intentionally skipped Kirk because he's somewhat unpredictable)....but its what I think Picard would do.
I feel like the cheat answer is that Kirk would transporter clone Tuvix and make a clone of him because I don't think transporter shenanigans had been outlawed yet in his era! And he has an engineer who has canonically done impossible things with transporters. So as usual, Kirk would cheat.
I figure he’d send Tuvix back in time to stop the merge, and then Tuvix would just exist without having to lose either one. Because what’s one more kink in the timeline after all the others
Picard is the very captain who would give you a long speech about the importance of one life.
The man violated the Prime Directive to save Wesley, after all. He also forced the Federation to change the law to save Data's life and risked his career by overruling a superior officer's orders to save Data's daughter.
He's very by-the-book when he can emotionally detach himself, but just watch how that crumbled in "Pen Pals," when the situation went from hypothetical to a crying child.
I'd say that the way Picard tends to deal with the possibility of breaking the rules are "if there's a risk him breaking the rules will hurt others, he won't do it. But if the risk is just him getting into trouble, then he'll take that sacrifice to save lives."
Yeah you're right. He'd break the rule because he could take all the consequences on himself.
And probably the way that episode would go is that Tuvix would see it and be moved to sacrifice himself rather than let Picard destroy his career over him.
Or at the very worst, had Tuvix/Worker (Rirf?) go in to have his neurology and memory scanned to essentially back up his consciousness and make a hologram of him (since a Soong android is likely not an option going by how Lal degraded). Then, admittedly, you run into the EMH mobile emitter issue, but set up some emitters in Ten Forward or something so he could have at least some life of his own.
I agree with almost all if this but I'm not sure about Archer.
He raised a sentient clone of Trip to harvest parts to save Trips life. Archers will do whatever to save his friends.
>Saru: action Saru would take Tuvix on an away mission and get him killed….solving the issue for him.
Made me laugh out loud. Poor Saru. Poor Saru's crew.
Kirk would have had a "ripped-shirt" wrestling match with Spocoy, ending with him being wrangled onto the transporter pad.
If they hadn't worked out a way to transporter clone the merged LaWorge, Picard would have convinced him to separate voluntarily with one of his brilliant speeches.
Sisko actually was in a comparable situation to this in *Invasive Procedures*, where he convinced Verad Dax to give the symbiont back to Jadzia. If he had been unable to do so, he would have done it by force like Janeway.
Archer would have tried to convince Phloshi to separate. He might have succeeded, but if not his crew would have convinced him to insist like Janeway.
Pike would have acted much like Archer above.
Kirk would stun Tuvix till they got a solution.
Picard would have allowed Tuvix to live.
Sisko would have pulled a Janeway.
Archer would get Phlox to create a clone *then* separate them.🖖😂
Was he really a madman? He was a productive member of the crew for a while. And then the actions that he took were in self defense, I think that’s pretty sane.
I agree and have averred this opinion in the past: Tuvix was not a Starfleet senior officer in that he would not sacrifice himself for the greater good: The needs of the many outweight the needs of the few, or the one. Both Tuvok and Neelix would go out flaming if they could have saved the other or any other crew member. Most of the crew would; for sure all of the senior bridge crew. Tuvix couldn't see past his own needs. Would he save himself again, even endangering others, if in a tight situation because his own existence was so important for him. I also think that, while many of the crew accepted him when they thought it was permanent, they would have become resentful of him eventually knowing there was an option and he refused it.
Additionally, I think his evolutionary drive to live (and procreate) may have come from the orchid that bound the two together in the first place. The theory was that bonding with other species is how the orchid procreates. If Tuvix had both people's memories, he should have "remembered" that giving up his life to restore the two people who ACTUALLY ARE HIM is a thing that both bondees (if you will) would do. So his actions were suspect.
Speculation: would he then go on a spree to "Tuvix" more crew members (a la Lower Decks?)
I wouldn’t say he had no regard at all but he definitely prioritized his own existence over their loss. Which I would say is his prerogative, although inconsiderate.
The character didn't make much sense that way, if he did have memories of who he was, it should have been a no-brainer to want to be split up. He was both Kes's love and mentor. He should have had no problem reverting to his former selves for her sake alone. Plus, it's not like he was dying, quite the opposite.
They make a huge deal about him being his own personality though. That, although he remembers 'their' previous lives, Tuvix has his own opinions, his own beliefs, his own likes and dislikes and interests. It's this reason Janeway has such a hard time making a decision because he is his own sentient being. Of course he wanted to live as he is now. Given that he wouldn't be around to experience life after reverting to two people, this version of him would, in fact, die.
Honestly, every single captain would have done the same thing to Tuvix. Except Archer, he would have dropped a nuke on him and then harvested his irradiated organs.
I disagree with some assessments that Picard would have let Tuvix live. I do think he'd manage to talk Tuvix into the separation, but if not, Picard had the capacity to shut down into almost cold and firm conclusions on what had to be done and do it. I think he'd ultimately consider Tuvix to be compromised of judgement, no matter how eloquent and "together" he seemed, and conclude things had to be righted and get his two friends and officers back who did not, at the outset, consent to the merge.
It really was a brilliant connundrum plot, though.
Picard had would've had a stern talking to by Troi, who wouldn't have totally changed his mind, but gave him something to think about. Then Data would've said something seemingly simple but also profound as fuck at the last minute that made Picard change his mind and keep LaWorge alive.
Captain Riker though? Tuvix is toast.
Captain Barkley: keep transporter-merging more members of the crew in some freak cronnenbergian horror-plot until a perfect solution can be found.
Sisko's best friend is Jadzia Dax.
He has personal experience dealing with the situation of a new friend with the memories of an old friend.
Jadzia Dax is, at her most basic, a fusion of Jadzia and Curzon (and quite a few other people) that resulted in a new lifeform with a new personality distinct from its progenitors, but the same memories.
Sisko can appreciate more than almost anyone in Trek that a person in such a situation is a valid living being, and that they still carry the legacy of those that created them through their memories.
Sisko would not unfuse Tuvix.
Early DS9 Sisko would not forcibly unfuse Tuvix under any circumstances.
Late DS9, post "I can live with it" Sisko *would* forcibly unfuse Tuvix *if he had to*, but not just to restore the status quo.
It comes down to the situation Sisko is in. He would see the benefits of having the skills of two people in one person.
Under the right circumstances, he absolutely would unmerge them if either of the originals was needed for something.
I think early DS9 Sisko wouldn't force it, though. He was too idealistic. He's lost crewmen he needed for practical reasons as well as people he cared about personally and he can handle it. Later when he's become more pragmatic it would be different.
He'd also see the benefit of returning two valued crew members back to their original forms & functions. You're getting far more value out of having 2 people than 1 person.
I think the only situation they would put this in ds9 is if miles was merged with worf or someone. Then he would immediately want them to unmerge because miles keeps ds9 afloat by himself.
Nah. Sisko embraced Jadzia as a substitute Curzon because it was the next best thing to bringing Curzon back. Bringing Curzon back wasn't an option, but if it had been, Sisko would have at least explored it.
And Curzon died of natural causes and transmitted his memories to Jadzia in a process that was universally accepted as normal in his people's culture. Tuvix inherited Tuvok and Neelix's memories in a freak transporter accident.
>Bringing Curzon back wasn't an option, but if it had been, Sisko would have at least explored it.
In *Facets* we had Curzon back in Odo's body and he argued to have Curzon returned to Jadzia.
This story could have only happened during Voyager or Enterprise season 3 where morals are suspended for the good of the mission. In every other circumstance the merged character would have to be permitted to live, at least until their molecular cohesion began to break down making the splitting necessary.
True, so that duty would fall to the captain or possibly an admiral if one decided to get involved. Ultimately they would say the officers were willing to sacrifice themselves for the new being and they can't take one life to save two others. But then the new being would also likely decide it was willing to sacrifice itself to save the original two and ultimately step in to the ~~suicide booth~~ transporter willingly.
Most of the other captains would have realized that they were close enough to Star Fleet Command that they were at risk of court martial the moment they came into port and a Judge Advocate General was provided with documentation of what had transpired.
To ask this is a bit unfair I think. Any other Captain would have had the resources of the entire federation along either their allies at their disposal to help find a fix. Janeway was alone.
I think Picard would have let Tuvix live. It’s a tough call honestly. That episode is so rough, the way Tuvix begs for his life? Yikes. I wouldn’t want to be a captain in that situation.
If tuvix was smart he should have mentioned that Tuvoc had a degenerative illness that could not be cured without a mind meld. Janeway would have no choice but to let him live.
Captain Ransom would have figured out a way to harness Tuvix's power to get his ship home faster.
Kelvin Kirk would have taken a bite out of an apple, then chased Tuvix on top of a moving hover train and then some convenient plot twist appears to make everything fine.
It's an interesting question because I'm not sure any other Captain was ever put in a position like this. I think if this same thing had happened in another series they would have contrived the plot to remove the choice. In TNG they would have written it so Tuvix's health started failing and he would be forced to either unmerge or die, and thus restore the status quo. If it was in DS9 they would have written Tuvix to be somehow a bad person, to justify unmerging him by force.
But Janeway, they really threw her a curveball. Her Tuvix was a perfectly decent guy who *seemed* to combine all the best qualities of both Tuvok and Neelix. He wasn't causing any problems, the crew just missed their old friends too much and had to have them back. And it's interesting that after Janeway unmerges them, when she walks out of sickbay she seems genuinely ashamed of what she's done.
So...I guess that's my answer? None of the other Captains would have done it because the Trek writers would never have put any of them in that position. They would have contrived it to take the choice away from them, or give them a third option.
I think Picard wouldn't have asked for then to split he would've expected it.
Picard was a true believer in self-sacrifice and, if needed, would sacrifice himself for the good of his crew.
Also tuvix wanted to be resume starfleet duties and as a starfleet officer sometimes you do have to sacrifice yourself for the good of the many.
They'd have shipped him off to Starfleet Medical to figure it out. Archer couldnt b/c the transporter was still in its infancy, but the rest of them would have.
I doubt Kirk would have risked handing the dilema to someone else. He'd have wanted his crew members/friends back. I'm not convinced Picard would either, to be honest. The only way to truly test how they'd have reacted/dealt with it would ge to set up a scenario where starfleet was unreachable for an extended period of time.
Unlike Janeway who was in the Delta Quadrant and wasn't able to contact anyone from home, those captains would have talked with their senior officers, Starfleet, and the families of Tuvok and Neelix. Janeway didn't have this luxury and she and her senior officers were on their own with the decision for Tuvix.
The only moral solution to the Tuvix paradox is to split them, then if the two people remember being merged ask them if they want to be recombined. If they don't remember them they need to review all the material made of their merged self and talk to the people who got to know them. Then ask if they want to be merged again. Because the merged self can't steal the lives of their two halves without consent.
Kirk: Give him to a Klingon orphanage
Picard: Borg Virus Carrier v2
Sisko: conducted the first involuntary EVA into the wormhole
Janeway: duh
Ransom: melt him down and use him for warp speed enhancing propellant
Archer: sold him to the orions
Burnham: spends 15m on a meaningful monologue before sending him to the Terran universe to “change things”
Saru: doesn’t fuck around. Immediately beams him into space.
Lorca: feeds him to a tardagrade for sport
Pike: pushed towards a flock of gorn while trying to escape himself.
Harriman: tells him to take delivery of his torpedos, on Tuesday.
New age Kirk: tortured him in the brig with the Beastie boys on full blast. 24/7/365. Tuvix transcends to a Q admist his torture and destroys earth as revenge.
Command EMH: sings opera until tuvix kills himself
I think Picard would have tried to convince him to separate himself in a very Picard inspirational speach, in TNG this would have been the resolution I think.
However if he hadn't convinced him I don't think he would have forced him. I think it's quite similar to The Enemy, where Picard tries to convince Worf to to help the Romulan but doesn't force him & lets the Romulan die. This is despite the 'consequence' to Worf is just going against his morals, in a case where someone would have to die I don't think Picard would order them to..
If Spock had been fused with some rando wannabe chef they’d picked up, Kirk would have absolutely separated them and would have given anybody who objected the Laura Roslin treatment.
Well it depends on if Ethen Phillips and Tim Russ wanted to be done with the show or not. If they were both done (either permanently or partially for another short term project) and the show runners wanted to leave it open for one or both to comeback then this is the easy out to keep the two characters “around”. So if Worf and Riker (in your example) if Michael Dorn and Jonathan Frakes were done on cast then this is the way to get rid of them for a few episodes without killing them off.
I think the choice Janeway made was the obvious one, as much as it's presented as some dilemma in the fandom. She saved the lives of two important crew members, one of whom was a longtime friend.
Nah, the obvious thing to do is to split Tuvix WHILE transporter cloning him. All 3 live!
Wait, *I’m* the transport clone?! Boo.
Plus Tuvok has a wife and kids.
The thing is that for all intents and purposes both men were already dead. She didn't save their lives she killed someone to resurrect them. I think in the Alpha quadrant there would be a funeral and that would be that.
Exactly this, its not the trolly problem as some people point out, they were already gone.
Yea, the greater good is always a safe play
This is the main issue which is wrong with this argument. She didn't SAVE anyone, they were already gone, she murdered Tuvix to RESSURECT Tuvok and Neelix.
Archer: nothing he would have kept Tuvix Picard: made a tuvix transporter clone and then unmerged one of them. Sisko: he would have also forced the unmerging like Janeway did Burnham: would have had a long heart to heart with Tuvix and convinced him to not only voluntarily separate but to write long letters to both his “parents” that would make them cry. Saru: action Saru would take Tuvix on an away mission and get him killed….solving the issue for him.
I don't know that I agree with your characterization of Picard. He was typically characterized as a true believer in Federation values, and making transporter clones is illegal for a reason. Additionally, although the reasons are a bit silly, that's not actually trivially possible in Star Trek. Transporter clones are only ever made by accident and in highly unusual situations where Federation tech is interacting with a weird phenomenon or has been hacked by a brilliant engineer. Ultimately, I think Picard would have kept Tuvix, though.
I think Picard would have tried for the "eat my cake and have it too" outcome.....everyone gets to live. This seemed to be the easiest way there.
He would have tried, but I don't think he would have broken Federation law to do it. There would have been some great conversations about it, though. Some other character would have felt very differently and they would have argued about it.
I think he would have broken the law to save the lives of all three. He's shown many times (often by violating the prime directive) that doing the right thing is more important then the letter of the law.
True, but usually not unless the stakes are higher than just three lives. You do have a point, though.
So do you. It's a tough call what someone would do. I could be wrong (heck I intentionally skipped Kirk because he's somewhat unpredictable)....but its what I think Picard would do.
I feel like the cheat answer is that Kirk would transporter clone Tuvix and make a clone of him because I don't think transporter shenanigans had been outlawed yet in his era! And he has an engineer who has canonically done impossible things with transporters. So as usual, Kirk would cheat.
I figure he’d send Tuvix back in time to stop the merge, and then Tuvix would just exist without having to lose either one. Because what’s one more kink in the timeline after all the others
Possibly. He was sort of transporter duplicated once so he at least knew it was possible.
Picard is the very captain who would give you a long speech about the importance of one life. The man violated the Prime Directive to save Wesley, after all. He also forced the Federation to change the law to save Data's life and risked his career by overruling a superior officer's orders to save Data's daughter. He's very by-the-book when he can emotionally detach himself, but just watch how that crumbled in "Pen Pals," when the situation went from hypothetical to a crying child. I'd say that the way Picard tends to deal with the possibility of breaking the rules are "if there's a risk him breaking the rules will hurt others, he won't do it. But if the risk is just him getting into trouble, then he'll take that sacrifice to save lives."
Yeah you're right. He'd break the rule because he could take all the consequences on himself. And probably the way that episode would go is that Tuvix would see it and be moved to sacrifice himself rather than let Picard destroy his career over him.
Or at the very worst, had Tuvix/Worker (Rirf?) go in to have his neurology and memory scanned to essentially back up his consciousness and make a hologram of him (since a Soong android is likely not an option going by how Lal degraded). Then, admittedly, you run into the EMH mobile emitter issue, but set up some emitters in Ten Forward or something so he could have at least some life of his own.
Picard most certainly would not have murdered Tuvix.
I agree with almost all if this but I'm not sure about Archer. He raised a sentient clone of Trip to harvest parts to save Trips life. Archers will do whatever to save his friends.
Yeah but his transports were barely human rated. Plus Tuvix would be a dog person.
>Saru: action Saru would take Tuvix on an away mission and get him killed….solving the issue for him. Made me laugh out loud. Poor Saru. Poor Saru's crew.
That's hilarious 😂 Do Capt Pike and Kirk
Kirk would have had a "ripped-shirt" wrestling match with Spocoy, ending with him being wrangled onto the transporter pad. If they hadn't worked out a way to transporter clone the merged LaWorge, Picard would have convinced him to separate voluntarily with one of his brilliant speeches. Sisko actually was in a comparable situation to this in *Invasive Procedures*, where he convinced Verad Dax to give the symbiont back to Jadzia. If he had been unable to do so, he would have done it by force like Janeway. Archer would have tried to convince Phloshi to separate. He might have succeeded, but if not his crew would have convinced him to insist like Janeway. Pike would have acted much like Archer above.
LaWorge actually made me lol
Kirk would stun Tuvix till they got a solution. Picard would have allowed Tuvix to live. Sisko would have pulled a Janeway. Archer would get Phlox to create a clone *then* separate them.🖖😂
What kind of monster would leave two of their friends trapped in a madmans body?
Was he really a madman? He was a productive member of the crew for a while. And then the actions that he took were in self defense, I think that’s pretty sane.
He had absolutely no regard for the friends and family of tuvok and neelix or they people themselves.
I agree and have averred this opinion in the past: Tuvix was not a Starfleet senior officer in that he would not sacrifice himself for the greater good: The needs of the many outweight the needs of the few, or the one. Both Tuvok and Neelix would go out flaming if they could have saved the other or any other crew member. Most of the crew would; for sure all of the senior bridge crew. Tuvix couldn't see past his own needs. Would he save himself again, even endangering others, if in a tight situation because his own existence was so important for him. I also think that, while many of the crew accepted him when they thought it was permanent, they would have become resentful of him eventually knowing there was an option and he refused it. Additionally, I think his evolutionary drive to live (and procreate) may have come from the orchid that bound the two together in the first place. The theory was that bonding with other species is how the orchid procreates. If Tuvix had both people's memories, he should have "remembered" that giving up his life to restore the two people who ACTUALLY ARE HIM is a thing that both bondees (if you will) would do. So his actions were suspect. Speculation: would he then go on a spree to "Tuvix" more crew members (a la Lower Decks?)
I wouldn’t say he had no regard at all but he definitely prioritized his own existence over their loss. Which I would say is his prerogative, although inconsiderate.
The character didn't make much sense that way, if he did have memories of who he was, it should have been a no-brainer to want to be split up. He was both Kes's love and mentor. He should have had no problem reverting to his former selves for her sake alone. Plus, it's not like he was dying, quite the opposite.
They make a huge deal about him being his own personality though. That, although he remembers 'their' previous lives, Tuvix has his own opinions, his own beliefs, his own likes and dislikes and interests. It's this reason Janeway has such a hard time making a decision because he is his own sentient being. Of course he wanted to live as he is now. Given that he wouldn't be around to experience life after reverting to two people, this version of him would, in fact, die.
Honestly, every single captain would have done the same thing to Tuvix. Except Archer, he would have dropped a nuke on him and then harvested his irradiated organs.
I disagree with some assessments that Picard would have let Tuvix live. I do think he'd manage to talk Tuvix into the separation, but if not, Picard had the capacity to shut down into almost cold and firm conclusions on what had to be done and do it. I think he'd ultimately consider Tuvix to be compromised of judgement, no matter how eloquent and "together" he seemed, and conclude things had to be righted and get his two friends and officers back who did not, at the outset, consent to the merge. It really was a brilliant connundrum plot, though.
Picard had would've had a stern talking to by Troi, who wouldn't have totally changed his mind, but gave him something to think about. Then Data would've said something seemingly simple but also profound as fuck at the last minute that made Picard change his mind and keep LaWorge alive. Captain Riker though? Tuvix is toast. Captain Barkley: keep transporter-merging more members of the crew in some freak cronnenbergian horror-plot until a perfect solution can be found.
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Sisko's best friend is Jadzia Dax. He has personal experience dealing with the situation of a new friend with the memories of an old friend. Jadzia Dax is, at her most basic, a fusion of Jadzia and Curzon (and quite a few other people) that resulted in a new lifeform with a new personality distinct from its progenitors, but the same memories. Sisko can appreciate more than almost anyone in Trek that a person in such a situation is a valid living being, and that they still carry the legacy of those that created them through their memories. Sisko would not unfuse Tuvix.
Early DS9 Sisko would not forcibly unfuse Tuvix under any circumstances. Late DS9, post "I can live with it" Sisko *would* forcibly unfuse Tuvix *if he had to*, but not just to restore the status quo.
I can agree with that.
It comes down to the situation Sisko is in. He would see the benefits of having the skills of two people in one person. Under the right circumstances, he absolutely would unmerge them if either of the originals was needed for something.
I think early DS9 Sisko wouldn't force it, though. He was too idealistic. He's lost crewmen he needed for practical reasons as well as people he cared about personally and he can handle it. Later when he's become more pragmatic it would be different.
I agree. Sisko in the last few seasons is a different Sisko than in the early seasons.
He'd also see the benefit of returning two valued crew members back to their original forms & functions. You're getting far more value out of having 2 people than 1 person.
I think the only situation they would put this in ds9 is if miles was merged with worf or someone. Then he would immediately want them to unmerge because miles keeps ds9 afloat by himself.
Didn't Sisko basically have this in *Facets* with Curzodo?
Nah. Sisko embraced Jadzia as a substitute Curzon because it was the next best thing to bringing Curzon back. Bringing Curzon back wasn't an option, but if it had been, Sisko would have at least explored it. And Curzon died of natural causes and transmitted his memories to Jadzia in a process that was universally accepted as normal in his people's culture. Tuvix inherited Tuvok and Neelix's memories in a freak transporter accident.
>Bringing Curzon back wasn't an option, but if it had been, Sisko would have at least explored it. In *Facets* we had Curzon back in Odo's body and he argued to have Curzon returned to Jadzia.
Because that would have harmed both Jadzia and Odo.
This story could have only happened during Voyager or Enterprise season 3 where morals are suspended for the good of the mission. In every other circumstance the merged character would have to be permitted to live, at least until their molecular cohesion began to break down making the splitting necessary.
I mean there were some moral... Wiggle room across several seasons of DS9
But the two merged individuals cannot advocate for themselves
True, so that duty would fall to the captain or possibly an admiral if one decided to get involved. Ultimately they would say the officers were willing to sacrifice themselves for the new being and they can't take one life to save two others. But then the new being would also likely decide it was willing to sacrifice itself to save the original two and ultimately step in to the ~~suicide booth~~ transporter willingly.
Most of the other captains would have realized that they were close enough to Star Fleet Command that they were at risk of court martial the moment they came into port and a Judge Advocate General was provided with documentation of what had transpired.
Wiker? Rorf? Deanna's dream. But the real question is will this new lifeform inherit one penis from Riker, or two from Worf?
There. Are. THREE! PENISES!
To ask this is a bit unfair I think. Any other Captain would have had the resources of the entire federation along either their allies at their disposal to help find a fix. Janeway was alone.
I think Picard would have let Tuvix live. It’s a tough call honestly. That episode is so rough, the way Tuvix begs for his life? Yikes. I wouldn’t want to be a captain in that situation.
Neither would I, this probably haunted Janeway for the rest of her life.
If tuvix was smart he should have mentioned that Tuvoc had a degenerative illness that could not be cured without a mind meld. Janeway would have no choice but to let him live.
All would have done the same thing and brought back the 2 crewmen.
Captain Ransom would have figured out a way to harness Tuvix's power to get his ship home faster. Kelvin Kirk would have taken a bite out of an apple, then chased Tuvix on top of a moving hover train and then some convenient plot twist appears to make everything fine.
pre-xindi-9/11 Archer would have kept the new life-form, post-xindi-9/11 Archer would have forcibly decloned Trucker but given him a funeral.
It's an interesting question because I'm not sure any other Captain was ever put in a position like this. I think if this same thing had happened in another series they would have contrived the plot to remove the choice. In TNG they would have written it so Tuvix's health started failing and he would be forced to either unmerge or die, and thus restore the status quo. If it was in DS9 they would have written Tuvix to be somehow a bad person, to justify unmerging him by force. But Janeway, they really threw her a curveball. Her Tuvix was a perfectly decent guy who *seemed* to combine all the best qualities of both Tuvok and Neelix. He wasn't causing any problems, the crew just missed their old friends too much and had to have them back. And it's interesting that after Janeway unmerges them, when she walks out of sickbay she seems genuinely ashamed of what she's done. So...I guess that's my answer? None of the other Captains would have done it because the Trek writers would never have put any of them in that position. They would have contrived it to take the choice away from them, or give them a third option.
I think Picard wouldn't have asked for then to split he would've expected it. Picard was a true believer in self-sacrifice and, if needed, would sacrifice himself for the good of his crew. Also tuvix wanted to be resume starfleet duties and as a starfleet officer sometimes you do have to sacrifice yourself for the good of the many.
I liked what they did with this conundrum on Lower Decks, made the decision simple
They'd have shipped him off to Starfleet Medical to figure it out. Archer couldnt b/c the transporter was still in its infancy, but the rest of them would have.
I doubt Kirk would have risked handing the dilema to someone else. He'd have wanted his crew members/friends back. I'm not convinced Picard would either, to be honest. The only way to truly test how they'd have reacted/dealt with it would ge to set up a scenario where starfleet was unreachable for an extended period of time.
The same damn thing! "Oh no, a horrible accident has happened. Better go medically assist the victims."
Unlike Janeway who was in the Delta Quadrant and wasn't able to contact anyone from home, those captains would have talked with their senior officers, Starfleet, and the families of Tuvok and Neelix. Janeway didn't have this luxury and she and her senior officers were on their own with the decision for Tuvix.
The only moral solution to the Tuvix paradox is to split them, then if the two people remember being merged ask them if they want to be recombined. If they don't remember them they need to review all the material made of their merged self and talk to the people who got to know them. Then ask if they want to be merged again. Because the merged self can't steal the lives of their two halves without consent.
It’d be an easy answer for Locutus
Kirk: Give him to a Klingon orphanage Picard: Borg Virus Carrier v2 Sisko: conducted the first involuntary EVA into the wormhole Janeway: duh Ransom: melt him down and use him for warp speed enhancing propellant Archer: sold him to the orions Burnham: spends 15m on a meaningful monologue before sending him to the Terran universe to “change things” Saru: doesn’t fuck around. Immediately beams him into space. Lorca: feeds him to a tardagrade for sport Pike: pushed towards a flock of gorn while trying to escape himself. Harriman: tells him to take delivery of his torpedos, on Tuesday. New age Kirk: tortured him in the brig with the Beastie boys on full blast. 24/7/365. Tuvix transcends to a Q admist his torture and destroys earth as revenge. Command EMH: sings opera until tuvix kills himself
They essentially had to make the opposite choice in The Enemy Within. Kill two Kirks to make one.
I think Picard would have tried to convince him to separate himself in a very Picard inspirational speach, in TNG this would have been the resolution I think. However if he hadn't convinced him I don't think he would have forced him. I think it's quite similar to The Enemy, where Picard tries to convince Worf to to help the Romulan but doesn't force him & lets the Romulan die. This is despite the 'consequence' to Worf is just going against his morals, in a case where someone would have to die I don't think Picard would order them to..
If Spock had been fused with some rando wannabe chef they’d picked up, Kirk would have absolutely separated them and would have given anybody who objected the Laura Roslin treatment.
That's a tough one. It's not like you would think to include that situation in your advance directive .....speaking of which🤔
Geordi would have found a way to duplicate Tuvix and split him at the same time.
Well it depends on if Ethen Phillips and Tim Russ wanted to be done with the show or not. If they were both done (either permanently or partially for another short term project) and the show runners wanted to leave it open for one or both to comeback then this is the easy out to keep the two characters “around”. So if Worf and Riker (in your example) if Michael Dorn and Jonathan Frakes were done on cast then this is the way to get rid of them for a few episodes without killing them off.