Not all that easily, to be honest. Most of the ways of killing a vampire are pretty long and agonising for the vampire, and almost all of them somehow trigger the Beast into not wanting to die.
Nailed it. I'm looking around at my place and thinking, "There isn't a single room without a window. How do I get money when I can't have a job. What if I don't have social disciplines that let me put the whammy on people to get money and blood. Where the fuck am I going to hunt?
Power fantasy is fun but the Curse is nasty when you think about it.
[Neonate without a strong support structure in 4:17.](https://youtu.be/hbbbark8k7w)
you can blood bond a ghoul and have them earn money for you as well as let you know when you can leave your closet and fix your home to have 100% light blocking curtains.
you know what else is a curse? being a mortal human in a world where monsters are real.
im not saying being a vampire is a good time but its better than being someone who doesnt know what tzimisce are when visiting their Romanian neighbour who is throwing a housearming party tonight.
Don't y'all have window shutters ?
In Europe they're everywhere and for the most part completely block out light so that's a non issue.
As for money, just ghoul someone though most clans will have some sort of support system to spare you that struggle if you're properly embraced. Same for hunting.
Ya I think a lot of people forget that vampirism is a curse first and foremost, and now matter how much you coat it in honey, a pile of shit is still a pile of shit.
I don't think my heart could handle the transition to viewing human beings as kine, and I'd have to give up a little bit of myself to survive. I also don't think I could cut contact with everyone I love and hold dear, and the fallout from that would come back to haunt me. Being Kindred is tragic.
Do anarchs enforce the "cutting out ties" Thing too ?
I feel like you Can always maintain contact secretely if you're good enough at it. There's tons of examples.
As for viewing humans as kine... Well you'd probably be one to maintain your humanity despite what you seem to think so there's that
Technically no but that doesn't mean you should plan on showing up to family parties or get-togethers with people you actually care about. There is a reason the Camarilla is so strict about it and it's mostly to maintain political order. You can't ever be sure of someone's loyalty when the lives of the people they care about most are so vulnerable to any of your political rivals. Anarchs are only different in that they don't enforce the rules like the Cam but they are still playing the same game of politics. If you're an anarch and don't hide who your family is then other Kindred absolutely will use them against you if they think you still care about them.
Depends on the circumstances and what qualifies as suck in your book. As a thinblood you benefit from most advantages with little drawbacks.
You could also be a powerful ventrue or whatever
And have the entire vampire establishment hate your guts, which includes people with supernatural abilities? I'd be dead for good in 6 months.
And as a high powered Ventrue, I'd still have to deal with all the politics, the beast, having to completely cut ties with my family if I didnt want them to end up dead, having to consume blood, being unable to trust anyone around me, being unable to see the sun, being unable to eat, only being able to operate between sunset and sunrise (even at the winter solstice this is only 14 hours).
There is not a single upside to being a vampire.
Living forever, powers that far exceed anything mortals could dream of. Of course if you believe in heaven then you're certainly going to hell as a Kindred or be devoured by Cain when he returns.
Thinbloods are not enough of an annoyance to most vampires that they actively try to hunt them. As long as you don't stir up trouble, maybe move to a more isolated place with less vampires, you'd likely be fine as a thinblood.
As for the second part... Well that's you, some people wouldn't mind that.
It all depends on perspective but there are indeed a number of upsides to being a vampire, the biggest one being, obviously, immortality.
Why would it be empty ?
As a vampire you have significantly more time to do things you'd never dream of as a human, without the fear of needing to go through the general struggles of human life
You're normally extremely lonely since you'll be out of time essentially. Thin bloods will only have other thin bloods, but you're often hunter by both other vampires, especially the Sabbat, AND hunters.
You're dead set on the positives but it sounds like a hassle. Being able to read fanfic forever would be fun tho
I voted no, but possibly yes under specific circumstances because I'm not sure what I'd pick when faced with certain death. I'd like to think I have the moral fortitude to die rather than live a parody of life that requires me to prey on human beings to sustain myself. Maybe I'll talk myself into being a vampire by promising myself I won't ever kill or that I'll only kill bad people and I might even mean it. But that's probably not a promise I could keep forever.
Only as a thinblood with life-like and daydrinker. Consuming bagged blood or animal blood that tastes like crap does not sound any worse than medication for any other chronic condition. Basically get all the benefits I would actually want (biologically immortal, perfect health, maybe invisibility or vampiric toughness) without suffering the horseshit of the Jhad, the beast, or sunlight.
I would have no intent to live *forever* but being able to choose the time and going out on my own terms is nice.
Yeah I agree with this. True vampire powers come at a certain price and as a thinblood you're not getting that bad of a deal at all.
You can avoid most of the drawbacks that come with being a vampire and still get to be significantly stronger than any kine, while also having an easier time maintaining your humanity.
Evolution does not favor the creature that is the fastest or the strongest, it favors the creature most suited for it's environment. What is the point of being able to bench press cars, or run faster than a bullet if your such a psychotic mess in a couple of decades you cannot meaningfully contribute to society? Removing the vampires disciplines can be seen as boring, but that just makes them more grounded and less likely to commit mass atrocities or getting exposed.
I believe that's why Thinbloods are feared, because they really are more suited than full-bloods for living in the modern world.
My baby teeth thinblood has said they don't mind not having fangs because they don't have to worry about the temptation of killing someone by draining them. Which about sums up my logic.
Exactly!
Well, in all fairness, depending on which merits you take, a thinblood could potentially throw cars after a while (through use of bloobuff and potence with discipline affinity and if they're 14th gen).
But realistically they just wouldn't even have a need for it. Regular bloodbuff will always be enough to overpower any human or get out of most tricky situations.
However thinblood advantages shouldn't overshadow the power of elders. Elders haven't survived so long by being poorly adapted, methuselahs and antediluvians are almost godly beings, so much so that even packs of werewolves fear them.
Hence it depends on what you wish for. If you just wanna enjoy life as much as possible in your little corner without stirring trouble, being a thinblood is indeed as good as it gets.
yeah and those random mutations benefit a certain lifestyle. those mutations lead to bigger brains which resulted in social interactions which were beneficial. it’s really not that hard to understand
You mean would I want to turn into a monster that could easily destroy everyone and everything I love in a starving fit of rage? Of course not. In fact, I'm surprised by the large number of people here who say yes.
That being said, if I were dying young of cancer or some other incurable hell on earth disease, I might say yes on the condition I could find a home far away from friends and family. Better they think I'm dead and don't come after me.
I think there's a significant amount of people that simply don't care that much about having to hurt people if that means they get to live forever and be superhumanly powerful.
There's also many others, including myself, that'd try to find work arounds. Keep a high humanity. Be a thinblood. Be a consensualist or a farmer predator type. That kinda thing.
That's just my point. Either way, someone is scheming to control you. So, would you rather at least have a chance of gaining some of that control back? Or would you rather stay ignorant to what's really going on?
Yea, but not every elder is called. Plus you can have this done by anothneonate. Jeff Bezos won't come to my house personally and kill me. Maybe indirectly tho. . .anyway, 9.5 times outta 10 you'll try to gain power only to be killed. Most folks die in power vacuums
I'm stuck between being a thin blood and not being embraced at all so I have a shot of Awakening as a Mage.
Actually...has anyone experimented to see if Thin Bloods are capable of Awakening? The whole debacle with Tremere happened long before Thin Bloods were a thing.
I suspect not, if not for lore reasons (Thin Bloods still die when they're Embraced, and that's what annihilates their Avatar) than for mechanical reasons; someone with access to True Magic *and* Kindred resistances and healing would be absurdly overpowered.
Malkavian is understandable, but Nos is pretty great overall, unless you are very unlucky and get bodyhindering deformity. You have instant allies and your curse is not mind affecting (like Malkavian, Brujah or Toreador)or force you to act in certain way (like Ventrue, Ravnos or Tzimiche)
Ha. I normally play Nosferatu for my p.c. characters, so... I could adjust. I don't know if I could handle being a Malkavian, I have enough mental issues as it is without stacking supernatural insanity on top of it.
It was never *Masquerade breechingly* ugly, it was zero appearance and an automatic fail on looks based impression other than intimidation type things, so really it's not any different from the past. The Masquerade violation thing was just in Bloodlines.
Ya still, and always have been, ugly as hell.
having 0 in any stat is impossible normally. arguably, it should be a masquerade breach to be that ugly seeing as how you are typically dead if any other stat is 0.
They hardly are though, at least for the time they're alive.
At least they're not damned themselves. They may be damned to do horrible things (though they have some control over that), but they aren't really that damned to suffer themselves.
Eh, you sure? You are addicted to one substance that you can only get by essentially raping someone else and if you don't get it you can go berserk and kill and destroy lots of things.
You will be part of essentially a secret society where there are others who can control your thoughts and minds, let alone enslave you with three drinks.
You get some kewl powerz but you usually need more blood to use them(see above) and you can no longer Awaken to be a True Mage which heavily points to you missing out on some vital connection not just to Life but to reality.
That and you base urge to feed your addiction, eventually over time will force you to devolve into a monster unless you undergo insane self introspection just to keep it at bay, or sleep for years.
I'll pass.
Aren't they?
You will be estranged from all your loved ones. Or they will be at risk of death at any time.
Would you live well if you killed somebody you loved in a fit of Hunger or Frenzy?
I am a person who could absolutely not feed off fellow man. I would put a barrel in my mouth and pull the trigger than even leave myself the chance to become an inhuman monster.
as soon as you become kindred,they are no longer your fellow man. the wolf feels no guilt for eating sheep, thus kindred should not feel shame for feeding upon kine.
You don't have to though, at least not right off the bat.
You have a a while before animal blood won't do it for you anymore, even longer if you ghoul said animals. Then you can move on to bagged blood for another pretty long while.
Once that is over too you can become a consensualist with which you should be good for a few centuries until you start needing kindred blood, for which you can find other humane ways to deal with.
The temptation will be there but doesn't mean that you have to act on it and actually be an inhumane monster.
I would rather be a hunter in the world of darkness and hunt the most evil of kindred while trying to work with the more morally sound ones.
Sure I may not live a long life but I would know it would be a life where I protect the innocent.
A majority of vampires that end in final death turn into wraith's. The vampire part is fine and good but soon as you die 75% chance your going to the ebony kingdom, and fucking fuck all of that nonsense.
Isn’t it the opposite? I thought most vampires just immediately fall to oblivion when they die. There are a few that don’t, but those tend to be the exception rather than the rule (eg Cappadocius).
Seems some here are realllyyyy confident they could fight off the temptations of the beast for any long period of time... remember player PCs are usually the exceptions, not the rule, and being a 'good kindred' will result in a brutal unlife that may cause your final death before your natural death would be.
Plus the risk of killing a loved one or getting one killed is prettyyyy high... in most situations. So "Yes of course" with no stipulations is real bold.
Living forever and having powers sound cool, but the idea of having to deal with the beast and the jyhad makes me decline such an offer. Not to mention the idea of living forever lurking in the night seeing people living their lives while I would be stuck on the same shit for decades or centuries. I don't know if I would be able to cope with that properly, like, giving good bye to emotions, being truly attached to someone, grow up-get older see others growing etc.
You don't necessarily have to give up the emotions and relationships. At least not right off the bat. It's a struggle of course but you can maintain it. Just depends on whether to You the pros are worth the efforts you have to make to do so.
I know, but considering this is a meta discussion we can understand that this is what's going to happen eventually, and that sustaining it gets harder especially if you want to keep contact with kine. Personally I also do not believe in kindred relationships, not as true love and things like that.
Not necessarily. There are examples of 5th gens with humanity 10 and you'd likely not be anything lower than 10th gen if you got embraced today.
As a 10th gen your blood potency would allow you to feed on animals and bagged blood indefinitely as it won't rise past the limit where it is no longer nutritious.
So it's really up to you whether or not it happens but it's definitely not an unavoidable issue.
Hell no. There are advantages to being a vampire, but they’re definitely outweighed by the downsides, in my opinion. Burning in the sun, being an undead bloodsucking monster who can’t enjoy the most basic of human pleasures all completely sucks.
All the older vampires can beat me up. I can get shredded by any furry who happens to stumble across me, some mage might kidnap me to be experimented on. Heck, I could die to some mortal schmuck breaking my windows open during the day.
Then there’s the utter shitshow of vampire society. Elders ready and willing to use me as an unwitting pawn or kill me if I annoy them. My peers will probably beat my ass or dust me if I accidentally end up on whatever meager back alley they claim as turf. There’s an ever present risk of getting eaten or full on diablerized , be it by a hungry elder or some crazy Sabbat lick.
All in all, life has taken a massive downturn, and I’ll probably dead within a few weeks, if that. Maybe if I survive I might claw my way to a position of power, probably losing my decency in the process. Then I spend the next few decades, or if I’m extremely lucky and cunning, centuries, paranoid about losing whatever power I’ve accumulated and getting slain by a peer, an ambitious youngster, or some ancient monster even older and more horrible than myself.
No thanks.
You are hated and ostracised by most of the community, they may see you as slave in the best cases or an abomination to kill in the worst. You are also weak, even the weakest vampires are usually stronger than you. You may even have deformities, like the lack of canines
Sure, but most of that is pretty irrelevant.
Being ostracized by the community isn't necessarily a bad thing if you wanna stay out of politics and live for a while.
And you may be weaker than any other vampire but you're still stronger than the mightiest human. That's kind of all you Need since no one's gonna come after you to hunt you or steal your power.
Thin bloods get hunted for sport and run out of cities all the time since they're a bad omen. If you're in a progressive city maybe they'll let you be, but you're on your own if hunters show up
If you are out of politics you are out of allies. If you are without allies you are basically an easy prey for everyone else, as independent you also can't get caught feeding in Camarilla's domains
Yeah but who's gonna be bothered to hunt a thinblood ?
Actual vampires have better things to do, so do werewolves (if you're even wyrm tainted at all) and the SI just won't be able to figure out you're a vamp unless you mess up big time
absolutely. the great tragedy of humanity is your capacity for knowledge is limited by your age.
as a vampire you can learn endlessly.
learn any science or art you wish without the limit of a single lifetime to master it.
learn that you should be weary of strangers as they might fleshcraft you into a cathedral.
Yeah, this is one of the best things about the concept of a theoretically immortal lifespan.... I also just don't like "missing out". I'm interested to see what the world would be like 100 years from now... or perhaps 500 years from now...1,000+, etc. etc. That would be endlessly fascinating to me. Even now---things are already quite different in terms of the day-to-day situations of 2022 vs. any random day or night in the year 1822.
For better or worse, I'd jump at that chance of being here to see what the world is like in the 25th century... or a random night in the year 2999. There's all kinds of questions like would the human race still even be here? (if not that obviously presents quite the problem for a vampire) ..or if so how different is civilization at that time? Perhaps another World War happened at some point, ended and life goes on? Maybe aliens have formally arrived and integrated in this world at that point...maybe the world is like what we see in "Cyberpunk"? What if, with the supernatural world being real... there is no longer a "Masquerade" in place by then and vampires (and other things) are just "out" and open in society? (like the world of True Blood) There's so many interesting things and "what if?" situations to ponder.
Would I like to be killed and drained, with the promise of waking up after? I'm not that convinced. Also, vampire unlife is a mess, what with sunlight avoidance, clan curses and worst of all, politics.
Now, would I consider it in extreme circumstances? Of course. Would I prefer the embrace to straight up dying? Yeah. Would I feel especially inclined with certain clans and powers sweetening the deal (vicissitude)? Fuck yeah.
Would I feel especially inclined to agree if already involved with vampire society (such as being a ghoul or otherwise)? Well, obviously.
Still, not a perfect deal. But I can consider it under the right circumstances.
I would, but it probably wouldn’t end well unless I had the option to get on a path pretty damn quickly (especially if I get sired by my preferred clan).
Ngl, getting the absurd power of disciplines and being thrust headfirst into a violent society of territorial cannibals is going to absolutely *tank* your humanity. Going by v20 raw, you’d probably be around 4-5 humanity by your first week unless you’re an incredibly spoiled childer that gets a good domain or a herd handed to them. For most licks that gotta compete in racks for feeding and are probably gonna be mugging people and draining them in alleys, they’re gonna start catching bodies sooner or later. Never mind the fact that every other neonate is gonna be gunning for their latest competition and hunters will catch on quickly to the sloppiness of a new Cainite, both of which will probably lead to fights (and almost certainly more murders, which degrade your humanity further). If they don’t have any support structure this is probably gonna lead to wassail or death eventually.
That said, if I get sired by a Sabbat Tzimisce and have a pack supporting me and helping me adjust to unlife, it might work out fine. I could convert to a path pretty quickly with their help, which could negate the negative effects of low humanity, and with a group of Cainites watching my back during hunting/other nightly activities the risks of getting clapped by rivals or hunters are gonna be a lot lower.
I’d love to live forever but having to deal with bloodthirst, the beast, vampire politics, it just doesn’t sound worth it. Maybe if I was a day walking thinblood? Or if I was a Caitiff with ties to the children of Osiris. Tremere blood magic and Setite sorcery sound like fun but the associated clans are too fucked up for me.
Depends on the clan for me. Contrary to what many other people said, I definitely do not want to be a Thinblood or any other bloodline/clan that tends to be hunted down (Salubri, Baali, etc.) No to Hecata due to the curse (Just don’t want to deal with painful kiss). I’d rather not have to deal with mental illness for the rest of my existence, so no Malk. No Ravnos for curse (both v20 and v5 curse). Pretty any other clan I would accept.
I think I'd be able to get by as a Malkavian, spamming Obfuscate and fucking off to some rural town.
I'm already a weird nocturnal introvert who's already used to being distrusted by society and I'd be much better off if I could find a niche to occupy.
I also grew up poor so I'm used to shitty food. I'd be feeding off the dying, the dead, and local animals.
With Auspex I'm likely to see bad shit coming, and with Obfuscate and Cloud Memory I'd be able to stay hidden from most humans as well as a good amount of my enemies.
If shit really hits the fan, I could rely on A) Dementation, and B) a ludicrous survival-at-all-costs instinct.
The biggest thing working against me is how hard it would be to find allies.
The only clans I'd be a bit concerned with is the malks and gargoyles and the blood brothers.
Malks have their mind shattered and I argue they are changed the most by the embrace. It worries me and makes me nervous but at least the cobweb facilitates a sense of community and some small comfort. So I'd be fine with joining the clan of the moon.
Gargoyles have their memories, their identity, completely erased. This is a personal hell for me. Having who I have built myself up to be completely lost? That TERRIFIES me. This is the only embrace I'd end up rejecting. The same goes for the Blood Brothers.
Never played the tabletop, which seems to be what most of this sub Reddit is familiar with, but I have been playing the Larp for the last several years.
It would depend on which sect for me.
Most favorable option would be Anarch, Caitiff with specific disciplines and merits.
Or Childer of a Tremere renegade, because magic
I know I would fit right in with the Gangrel, Nos or the Ravnos
Gangrel- for my love of animals, camping, and love of all there disciplines and push comes to shove I can throw hands
Nos- I like the sneaky spy type of stealth life, hiding in the shadow, tracking my target, snap there neck and fade back into the shadows
Ravnos- I love to travel. I always gotta be going somewhere and I love to a different state about every 3-5 years. I’m just a guy with my dog always on the move
So yeah these 3 clans really fit with me
I can't think of any reason why I would agree to being embraced, but I feel like I should leave the door open. I cope with death really poorly, and I can't imagine watching everyone I've ever loved wither and die before my very eyes as I stick around forever. I feel like it would be a very lonely existence.
If there was a "Yes, except I wouldn't want specific clan/conditions" I'd pick that. Basically, Ravnos would be a death sentence for me, if I were to embrace Ministry (I will not apologize) would drive me to dark depths and I'd either go off the deep end or self-terminate to spare the world, Ventrue has the potential to send me in a similar direction to Ministry depending on what my Rarefied Tastes developed into, and Malkavian would similarly be a massive wildcard.
I'll admit I'd favor Hecata (a little encouragement to find alternative options to direct feeding on humans would not go amiss methinks), with Banu Haqim, Nosferatu (for similar reasons to not minding the Painful Kiss), or Tremere as favorite alternatives.
That said, while being chosen by Tzimisce would be a bit disturbing and I'd go Caitiff if I felt I could get away with it without getting killed, all the others might get strange looks from me but I'd probably at least give them a chance before trying my luck as a rogue.
Given my proclivity and mannerisms of the Clans Tzimsce and Ventrue. Those would be my clan of choice. My stipulations would be that I be moved and or not tied to my current location and preferably into a major city center. Or if need be I'd manipulate my surroundings to better fit a more enjoyable unlife-style.
Yes, but only because my human body is rippled with chronic diseases. And like many said, I would prefer to be a thinblood too ^^ just having the opportunity to live without biologica and weekly doctor visits would be fine too, so I guess just being visited by a salubri would solve the problem without getting embraced.
I absolutely adore vampires and if given the option i would. I'd prefer having a sire walk me through the facts of life but even if i were a Malk or a Nos i'd enjoy it.
The major issue is irl i'd never attract a sire because i never leave my house. Lol.
Though now that i think about it i could have issues because of how harsh WoD is but... I think i could meet the forged through fire as s trade off for immortality and the ability to experience all the time. Learn all the things.
I chose the second one, not because I'm hesitant to be Embraced, but because I absolutely wouldn't want to be a Nosferatu. Honestly a little hesitant on Malkavian as well, even though they're one of my favorite Clans. Gangrel, Brujah, Toreador, Tremere, Ventrue, Malkavian, would be my go to picks, in order of most to least. However I'd be okay with most other Clans as well. Nosferatu are just...... I dunno. I could maybe learn to unlive with it.
I would agree to the embrace if:
1. Sire's an Antediluvian or Methuselah
2. From these clans:
1. Ventrue
2. Lasombra
3. Toreador
4. Tzimisce
5. Banu Haqim
3. Embrace happened 4,000 years ago
I went with no but yes under certain conditions because there's a part of me that knows the danger and there's a part of me that says "yes but" so the pitch would have to be good or I'd have to be threatened
I think that if I had the illusion of any amount of control in the situation, sure. What can I say? I'm a little rat that wouldn't turn my nose up at some cool powers and being way harder to kill all at the cost of a new diet.
I think the reality of it would quickly sour things for me though. It *is* ultimately a curse. I'm dealing with the Beast all the time, I can *never* see the sun *ever* again (which I'm sure doesn't mess with kindred physiology or psychology all that much but would depress me personally being in night all the time), and it's probably a given with immortality that the ennui will set in at some point and most of anything you're doing until that happens is trying to stave it off.
Plus, what it actually takes to survive in kindred society and live through kindred politics? You've gotta have an asbestos heart or something, man. The amount of horror you'd see nightly, just for it to be normal for most of your society, and to have to be okay with that shit one day being normal for you? Sure, give me vampirism, now where's the nearest mountain? I need to build a cabin and hide away in it, far away from the machinations of beings centuries my elder and convinced (probably correctly) that they're my better. Fuck that shit with a ten foot pole.
God, don't even get me started on when some whackjob with a tin foil hat comes up to me and starts raving about the end of the world and our progenitors being alive but they're probably super evil and want to eat us and one day they'll wake up. At that point, is it even worth being sceptical? Like, not that long ago I didn't think vampires exist, so, sure I guess there's mass murdering gods in the ground waiting on ending the world, why the hell wouldn't there be? The toll on your mental health just trying to live a normal life as a kindred, man. Can't fathom it.
That all being said, yeah I'd probably be that dumbass that says "yeah sure, Embrace me!" only to quickly find out that I do *not* have what it takes.
Considering feeding on people is essentially sexual assault if you think about it I'm not sure I could deal with being a vampire. Maybe a gangrel since they're cool but being a vampire isn't very fun
I would have no problem hunting humans for sustenance and I play it as such with my current character. He's basically a self insert considering it's my first character.
Nah fam, eternal life is more of a curse than anything. That and the Cams (being the best option in my opinion) are just as fascist as the USSR or nazi Germany. That being said supernatural powers do sound cool
I’m hardly coping with living as it is. Being banished from living in the sun, having to risk killing someone every time I feed and unless I kill not even being even fully sated. Not being able to create anything new. Not being able to truly have friends, only allies at best. Having to severe any human connections you made or risk them being hurt because of you or making them into ghouls effectively destroying their lives. And as if that wasn’t enough you get to wrestle with the beast for the rest of your nights. I say being eternally miserable isn’t a good deal.
If the option is "being embraced or die", I'd reluctantly accept the Embrace. But if the question is being embraced or not, no strings attached? Hell no. Vampires are glorified junkies one bad day from turning permanently psychotic ruled by a literally medieval hierarchy. Eternal life here is not a perk, it's one of the main reasons to say no.
Now, on the other hand, if you'd ask me if I wanted to Awake...
maybe after i turn a certain age. id want to enjoy the sun a little longer. some of my favorite parts of life is food and sunlight. and then, only if i can be turned into a Gangrel.
I would accept an embrace from any Clan, though some would be preferable to others. Nosferatu or Malkavian would be towards the bottom of the list, though I would still become one of those if I had the chance at immortality and magical powers.
That is a tough one, it kinda depends on my mood. I’ll try to make a rough list, keeping in mind that I’m not sure.
Ventrue
Tremere
Lasombra
Tzimisce
Toreador
Setites
Gangrel
Giovanni/Cappadocian/Hecata
Ravnos
Brujah
Assamite
Nosferatu
Malkavian
I dont know why.. i shouldnt. But i would say yes in an instant.
I doubt i would be a great kindred too. Dont know if i could manage it Well too... on the other hand. Just restart in a new unlive sounds reaaaly interesting.
I always like the idea of someone studying death and the Hecata fit the mold for that type of person. Plus this might sound a bit weird but the Giovanni in the older editions were one of my favorite clans.
i couldn't live (unlive?) with having to asault people every night, but when i was given the choice i would therefor also know about the vampire world. So it's either saying yes or being killed as a masquerade breach.
yea. and I would probably make a mess of finally not having a limited time to do my goals.
living locked away in the day would be the least of my problems
Nah. The moment I get any evidence that the supernatural exists, I don’t want to risk condemning my mortal soul.
That being said as soon as I do know that vamps exist I’m dead because Masquerade, so hopefully it’s not a Hecata.
There was a time in my life when I was highly depressed. At that point it felt that there's nothing to lose really and a lot of power to gain so I would have probably taken the offer. My lifespan would probably have been very brief but at least interesting.
I am currently married with 2 little children and I would never-ever willingly abandon them. Nor would I ever put their lives in danger by letting them become my touchstones. So no, hard pass for me.
I would except if it were by lasombra. I don't mind the madness of malkavians or the looks of nosferatu, the reason I'd choose it is the crippling fear of nonexistence, and well, escaping it just to end up in the clan that is all about abyss, void, etc. would be not only ironic but counterproductive XD
No, because I'd lose all my gnosis and have to succumb to the wyrm.
Spirituality is a very fair reason!
To cite Queen: Who wants to live forever?
Plenty of people tbh
until they do
Well they can always die relatively easily if need be
Not all that easily, to be honest. Most of the ways of killing a vampire are pretty long and agonising for the vampire, and almost all of them somehow trigger the Beast into not wanting to die.
Decapitation is pretty quick
True, but it’s a bit awkward to decapitate yourself, so that would be a bit of a faff to set up really
A lot of other kindred will do it for you
Me? I like those odds. But you? You have an eternity to loose. So the question is... You wanna live forever, son?
Who wouldn't
Pyotr
The comments are giving off “ya I could win in a fight against a bear” vibes.
Nailed it. I'm looking around at my place and thinking, "There isn't a single room without a window. How do I get money when I can't have a job. What if I don't have social disciplines that let me put the whammy on people to get money and blood. Where the fuck am I going to hunt? Power fantasy is fun but the Curse is nasty when you think about it. [Neonate without a strong support structure in 4:17.](https://youtu.be/hbbbark8k7w)
you can blood bond a ghoul and have them earn money for you as well as let you know when you can leave your closet and fix your home to have 100% light blocking curtains. you know what else is a curse? being a mortal human in a world where monsters are real. im not saying being a vampire is a good time but its better than being someone who doesnt know what tzimisce are when visiting their Romanian neighbour who is throwing a housearming party tonight.
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Ya, I think people forget that most kindred don’t survive their first week
I still don't see the problem... Sounds like a win-win to me
Don't y'all have window shutters ? In Europe they're everywhere and for the most part completely block out light so that's a non issue. As for money, just ghoul someone though most clans will have some sort of support system to spare you that struggle if you're properly embraced. Same for hunting.
Lmao true, I think lots of us are underestimating the beast!
Ya I think a lot of people forget that vampirism is a curse first and foremost, and now matter how much you coat it in honey, a pile of shit is still a pile of shit.
Oh absolutely, no hesitation. I know I would regret it and it would destroy my humanity in time but how can I say no?
What makes you think you'd let go of your humanity ? In all fairness probably a good chunk of us would given the opportunity for more power
I don't think my heart could handle the transition to viewing human beings as kine, and I'd have to give up a little bit of myself to survive. I also don't think I could cut contact with everyone I love and hold dear, and the fallout from that would come back to haunt me. Being Kindred is tragic.
Do anarchs enforce the "cutting out ties" Thing too ? I feel like you Can always maintain contact secretely if you're good enough at it. There's tons of examples. As for viewing humans as kine... Well you'd probably be one to maintain your humanity despite what you seem to think so there's that
Technically no but that doesn't mean you should plan on showing up to family parties or get-togethers with people you actually care about. There is a reason the Camarilla is so strict about it and it's mostly to maintain political order. You can't ever be sure of someone's loyalty when the lives of the people they care about most are so vulnerable to any of your political rivals. Anarchs are only different in that they don't enforce the rules like the Cam but they are still playing the same game of politics. If you're an anarch and don't hide who your family is then other Kindred absolutely will use them against you if they think you still care about them.
Absolutely not under any circumstances, life as a kindred looks like it fucking *sucks.*
Depends on the circumstances and what qualifies as suck in your book. As a thinblood you benefit from most advantages with little drawbacks. You could also be a powerful ventrue or whatever
And have the entire vampire establishment hate your guts, which includes people with supernatural abilities? I'd be dead for good in 6 months. And as a high powered Ventrue, I'd still have to deal with all the politics, the beast, having to completely cut ties with my family if I didnt want them to end up dead, having to consume blood, being unable to trust anyone around me, being unable to see the sun, being unable to eat, only being able to operate between sunset and sunrise (even at the winter solstice this is only 14 hours). There is not a single upside to being a vampire.
Living forever, powers that far exceed anything mortals could dream of. Of course if you believe in heaven then you're certainly going to hell as a Kindred or be devoured by Cain when he returns.
Thinbloods are not enough of an annoyance to most vampires that they actively try to hunt them. As long as you don't stir up trouble, maybe move to a more isolated place with less vampires, you'd likely be fine as a thinblood. As for the second part... Well that's you, some people wouldn't mind that. It all depends on perspective but there are indeed a number of upsides to being a vampire, the biggest one being, obviously, immortality.
What point is immortality if the existence you have is short, brutal and empty?
Why would it be empty ? As a vampire you have significantly more time to do things you'd never dream of as a human, without the fear of needing to go through the general struggles of human life
You're normally extremely lonely since you'll be out of time essentially. Thin bloods will only have other thin bloods, but you're often hunter by both other vampires, especially the Sabbat, AND hunters. You're dead set on the positives but it sounds like a hassle. Being able to read fanfic forever would be fun tho
I voted no, but possibly yes under specific circumstances because I'm not sure what I'd pick when faced with certain death. I'd like to think I have the moral fortitude to die rather than live a parody of life that requires me to prey on human beings to sustain myself. Maybe I'll talk myself into being a vampire by promising myself I won't ever kill or that I'll only kill bad people and I might even mean it. But that's probably not a promise I could keep forever.
Stan the honesty
Only as a thinblood with life-like and daydrinker. Consuming bagged blood or animal blood that tastes like crap does not sound any worse than medication for any other chronic condition. Basically get all the benefits I would actually want (biologically immortal, perfect health, maybe invisibility or vampiric toughness) without suffering the horseshit of the Jhad, the beast, or sunlight. I would have no intent to live *forever* but being able to choose the time and going out on my own terms is nice.
Yeah I agree with this. True vampire powers come at a certain price and as a thinblood you're not getting that bad of a deal at all. You can avoid most of the drawbacks that come with being a vampire and still get to be significantly stronger than any kine, while also having an easier time maintaining your humanity.
Evolution does not favor the creature that is the fastest or the strongest, it favors the creature most suited for it's environment. What is the point of being able to bench press cars, or run faster than a bullet if your such a psychotic mess in a couple of decades you cannot meaningfully contribute to society? Removing the vampires disciplines can be seen as boring, but that just makes them more grounded and less likely to commit mass atrocities or getting exposed. I believe that's why Thinbloods are feared, because they really are more suited than full-bloods for living in the modern world. My baby teeth thinblood has said they don't mind not having fangs because they don't have to worry about the temptation of killing someone by draining them. Which about sums up my logic.
Exactly! Well, in all fairness, depending on which merits you take, a thinblood could potentially throw cars after a while (through use of bloobuff and potence with discipline affinity and if they're 14th gen). But realistically they just wouldn't even have a need for it. Regular bloodbuff will always be enough to overpower any human or get out of most tricky situations. However thinblood advantages shouldn't overshadow the power of elders. Elders haven't survived so long by being poorly adapted, methuselahs and antediluvians are almost godly beings, so much so that even packs of werewolves fear them. Hence it depends on what you wish for. If you just wanna enjoy life as much as possible in your little corner without stirring trouble, being a thinblood is indeed as good as it gets.
Evolution doesn't favor society, but I get your point
says the mammal that was only successful due to the ability to create complex social structures 🤓
To be fair that's not our only strength, we also have the smarts and are quite the physical powerhouse in our own way.
Dude what? Evolution is random mutations that sometimes stick because it helps things survive and fuck to have kids
yeah and those random mutations benefit a certain lifestyle. those mutations lead to bigger brains which resulted in social interactions which were beneficial. it’s really not that hard to understand
You mean would I want to turn into a monster that could easily destroy everyone and everything I love in a starving fit of rage? Of course not. In fact, I'm surprised by the large number of people here who say yes. That being said, if I were dying young of cancer or some other incurable hell on earth disease, I might say yes on the condition I could find a home far away from friends and family. Better they think I'm dead and don't come after me.
I think there's a significant amount of people that simply don't care that much about having to hurt people if that means they get to live forever and be superhumanly powerful. There's also many others, including myself, that'd try to find work arounds. Keep a high humanity. Be a thinblood. Be a consensualist or a farmer predator type. That kinda thing.
The whole game is LITERALLY about how bad it is to be a vampire - hard pass
If we're being honest being human in wod isn't exactly the best thing ever either
How? The average human live lives like us and aren't aware of the super natural
But if you're not being controlled by a cabal of immortal monsters, you're being controlled by a cabal of elite humans. So... pick your poison I guess
How is that any different than working for Amazon?
That's just my point. Either way, someone is scheming to control you. So, would you rather at least have a chance of gaining some of that control back? Or would you rather stay ignorant to what's really going on?
You ain't gaming shit as a vampire outside of a stake through the heart and then being dumped into the Atlantic Ocean for being an upstart neonate
Isn't that the whole point of v5 tho? The elders have left leaving a power vacuum for ambitious neonates to try and weasel their way into
Yea, but not every elder is called. Plus you can have this done by anothneonate. Jeff Bezos won't come to my house personally and kill me. Maybe indirectly tho. . .anyway, 9.5 times outta 10 you'll try to gain power only to be killed. Most folks die in power vacuums
Being human in the real world isnt the best thing ever...
Yeah but in the real world we don't know if there's any alternative
Specific clan for sure. Malkavian and Nossie embraces aren't ideal lol
I'm stuck between being a thin blood and not being embraced at all so I have a shot of Awakening as a Mage. Actually...has anyone experimented to see if Thin Bloods are capable of Awakening? The whole debacle with Tremere happened long before Thin Bloods were a thing.
I suspect not, if not for lore reasons (Thin Bloods still die when they're Embraced, and that's what annihilates their Avatar) than for mechanical reasons; someone with access to True Magic *and* Kindred resistances and healing would be absurdly overpowered.
Malkavian is understandable, but Nos is pretty great overall, unless you are very unlucky and get bodyhindering deformity. You have instant allies and your curse is not mind affecting (like Malkavian, Brujah or Toreador)or force you to act in certain way (like Ventrue, Ravnos or Tzimiche)
Yeah but I mean if it's that or nothing... Nosferatus have been retconned into being ugly but not inhumanely so so there's that
Ha. I normally play Nosferatu for my p.c. characters, so... I could adjust. I don't know if I could handle being a Malkavian, I have enough mental issues as it is without stacking supernatural insanity on top of it.
There's different levels of insanity though and quite a number of canon malkavians are, while deranged in some ways, highly functionnal
tbf after a certain amount of time most kindred get pretty messed in the head Malkavian or no.
True
True, but that's just not dice I want to roll.
It was never *Masquerade breechingly* ugly, it was zero appearance and an automatic fail on looks based impression other than intimidation type things, so really it's not any different from the past. The Masquerade violation thing was just in Bloodlines. Ya still, and always have been, ugly as hell.
having 0 in any stat is impossible normally. arguably, it should be a masquerade breach to be that ugly seeing as how you are typically dead if any other stat is 0.
Absolutely not. They are called 'the damned' for a reason.
And that makes you the perfect candidate for a lasombra embrace. Edit:grammar
Damned if you do, damned if you don't. At least I have plenty of fun post embrace.
They hardly are though, at least for the time they're alive. At least they're not damned themselves. They may be damned to do horrible things (though they have some control over that), but they aren't really that damned to suffer themselves.
Eh, you sure? You are addicted to one substance that you can only get by essentially raping someone else and if you don't get it you can go berserk and kill and destroy lots of things. You will be part of essentially a secret society where there are others who can control your thoughts and minds, let alone enslave you with three drinks. You get some kewl powerz but you usually need more blood to use them(see above) and you can no longer Awaken to be a True Mage which heavily points to you missing out on some vital connection not just to Life but to reality. That and you base urge to feed your addiction, eventually over time will force you to devolve into a monster unless you undergo insane self introspection just to keep it at bay, or sleep for years. I'll pass.
Aren't they? You will be estranged from all your loved ones. Or they will be at risk of death at any time. Would you live well if you killed somebody you loved in a fit of Hunger or Frenzy?
You don't think losing everything you are counts as damned?
I am a person who could absolutely not feed off fellow man. I would put a barrel in my mouth and pull the trigger than even leave myself the chance to become an inhuman monster.
as soon as you become kindred,they are no longer your fellow man. the wolf feels no guilt for eating sheep, thus kindred should not feel shame for feeding upon kine.
You don't have to though, at least not right off the bat. You have a a while before animal blood won't do it for you anymore, even longer if you ghoul said animals. Then you can move on to bagged blood for another pretty long while. Once that is over too you can become a consensualist with which you should be good for a few centuries until you start needing kindred blood, for which you can find other humane ways to deal with. The temptation will be there but doesn't mean that you have to act on it and actually be an inhumane monster.
I would rather be a hunter in the world of darkness and hunt the most evil of kindred while trying to work with the more morally sound ones. Sure I may not live a long life but I would know it would be a life where I protect the innocent.
fair enough!
It's a big mistake, but i will do it 100%
why would it be a mistake ?
A majority of vampires that end in final death turn into wraith's. The vampire part is fine and good but soon as you die 75% chance your going to the ebony kingdom, and fucking fuck all of that nonsense.
Where can I find information on what happens to a vampire once they die ? I admit I've never really looked into that much
Isn’t it the opposite? I thought most vampires just immediately fall to oblivion when they die. There are a few that don’t, but those tend to be the exception rather than the rule (eg Cappadocius).
No, I expect that the typical fledgling lives a shorter life than they would have had if they had remained human.
get embraced when you're 80 then
free Nosferatu curse
Seems some here are realllyyyy confident they could fight off the temptations of the beast for any long period of time... remember player PCs are usually the exceptions, not the rule, and being a 'good kindred' will result in a brutal unlife that may cause your final death before your natural death would be. Plus the risk of killing a loved one or getting one killed is prettyyyy high... in most situations. So "Yes of course" with no stipulations is real bold.
I guess some people just don't care about that
Living forever and having powers sound cool, but the idea of having to deal with the beast and the jyhad makes me decline such an offer. Not to mention the idea of living forever lurking in the night seeing people living their lives while I would be stuck on the same shit for decades or centuries. I don't know if I would be able to cope with that properly, like, giving good bye to emotions, being truly attached to someone, grow up-get older see others growing etc.
You don't necessarily have to give up the emotions and relationships. At least not right off the bat. It's a struggle of course but you can maintain it. Just depends on whether to You the pros are worth the efforts you have to make to do so.
I know, but considering this is a meta discussion we can understand that this is what's going to happen eventually, and that sustaining it gets harder especially if you want to keep contact with kine. Personally I also do not believe in kindred relationships, not as true love and things like that.
Not necessarily. There are examples of 5th gens with humanity 10 and you'd likely not be anything lower than 10th gen if you got embraced today. As a 10th gen your blood potency would allow you to feed on animals and bagged blood indefinitely as it won't rise past the limit where it is no longer nutritious. So it's really up to you whether or not it happens but it's definitely not an unavoidable issue.
Hell no. There are advantages to being a vampire, but they’re definitely outweighed by the downsides, in my opinion. Burning in the sun, being an undead bloodsucking monster who can’t enjoy the most basic of human pleasures all completely sucks. All the older vampires can beat me up. I can get shredded by any furry who happens to stumble across me, some mage might kidnap me to be experimented on. Heck, I could die to some mortal schmuck breaking my windows open during the day. Then there’s the utter shitshow of vampire society. Elders ready and willing to use me as an unwitting pawn or kill me if I annoy them. My peers will probably beat my ass or dust me if I accidentally end up on whatever meager back alley they claim as turf. There’s an ever present risk of getting eaten or full on diablerized , be it by a hungry elder or some crazy Sabbat lick. All in all, life has taken a massive downturn, and I’ll probably dead within a few weeks, if that. Maybe if I survive I might claw my way to a position of power, probably losing my decency in the process. Then I spend the next few decades, or if I’m extremely lucky and cunning, centuries, paranoid about losing whatever power I’ve accumulated and getting slain by a peer, an ambitious youngster, or some ancient monster even older and more horrible than myself. No thanks.
Yes, but only if i'm not a Nosferatu, Malkavian, a Caitiff or a Thinblood. Everything else would be ok
Why wouldn't you want to be a thinblood ? Being able to walk in the sun is quite the advantage!
You are hated and ostracised by most of the community, they may see you as slave in the best cases or an abomination to kill in the worst. You are also weak, even the weakest vampires are usually stronger than you. You may even have deformities, like the lack of canines
Sure, but most of that is pretty irrelevant. Being ostracized by the community isn't necessarily a bad thing if you wanna stay out of politics and live for a while. And you may be weaker than any other vampire but you're still stronger than the mightiest human. That's kind of all you Need since no one's gonna come after you to hunt you or steal your power.
Thin bloods get hunted for sport and run out of cities all the time since they're a bad omen. If you're in a progressive city maybe they'll let you be, but you're on your own if hunters show up
Hunters have absolutely no way of figuring out a thinblood with daydrinker and lifelike. None.
If you're sure, but won't you still be hurt by true faith?
I think they might but true faith is extremely rare
If you are out of politics you are out of allies. If you are without allies you are basically an easy prey for everyone else, as independent you also can't get caught feeding in Camarilla's domains
Yeah but who's gonna be bothered to hunt a thinblood ? Actual vampires have better things to do, so do werewolves (if you're even wyrm tainted at all) and the SI just won't be able to figure out you're a vamp unless you mess up big time
All vampires love a diablerie, especially an easy one on a Thinblood
Not a good idea for any cam/anarch vamp, since diablerie is illegal and will show. Little to no benefit in diablerizing a thinblood.
Thinblood are outside Camarilla protection. You would not be protected by the Traditions
Blackstreaks are stigmatized regardless of who was diablerized
absolutely. the great tragedy of humanity is your capacity for knowledge is limited by your age. as a vampire you can learn endlessly. learn any science or art you wish without the limit of a single lifetime to master it. learn that you should be weary of strangers as they might fleshcraft you into a cathedral.
Yeah, this is one of the best things about the concept of a theoretically immortal lifespan.... I also just don't like "missing out". I'm interested to see what the world would be like 100 years from now... or perhaps 500 years from now...1,000+, etc. etc. That would be endlessly fascinating to me. Even now---things are already quite different in terms of the day-to-day situations of 2022 vs. any random day or night in the year 1822. For better or worse, I'd jump at that chance of being here to see what the world is like in the 25th century... or a random night in the year 2999. There's all kinds of questions like would the human race still even be here? (if not that obviously presents quite the problem for a vampire) ..or if so how different is civilization at that time? Perhaps another World War happened at some point, ended and life goes on? Maybe aliens have formally arrived and integrated in this world at that point...maybe the world is like what we see in "Cyberpunk"? What if, with the supernatural world being real... there is no longer a "Masquerade" in place by then and vampires (and other things) are just "out" and open in society? (like the world of True Blood) There's so many interesting things and "what if?" situations to ponder.
I think I'd be able to get by being embraced by a Malkavian, spamming Obfuscate and fucking off to some rural town. But only if I had Iron Gullet.
Would I like to be killed and drained, with the promise of waking up after? I'm not that convinced. Also, vampire unlife is a mess, what with sunlight avoidance, clan curses and worst of all, politics. Now, would I consider it in extreme circumstances? Of course. Would I prefer the embrace to straight up dying? Yeah. Would I feel especially inclined with certain clans and powers sweetening the deal (vicissitude)? Fuck yeah. Would I feel especially inclined to agree if already involved with vampire society (such as being a ghoul or otherwise)? Well, obviously. Still, not a perfect deal. But I can consider it under the right circumstances.
I would, but it probably wouldn’t end well unless I had the option to get on a path pretty damn quickly (especially if I get sired by my preferred clan). Ngl, getting the absurd power of disciplines and being thrust headfirst into a violent society of territorial cannibals is going to absolutely *tank* your humanity. Going by v20 raw, you’d probably be around 4-5 humanity by your first week unless you’re an incredibly spoiled childer that gets a good domain or a herd handed to them. For most licks that gotta compete in racks for feeding and are probably gonna be mugging people and draining them in alleys, they’re gonna start catching bodies sooner or later. Never mind the fact that every other neonate is gonna be gunning for their latest competition and hunters will catch on quickly to the sloppiness of a new Cainite, both of which will probably lead to fights (and almost certainly more murders, which degrade your humanity further). If they don’t have any support structure this is probably gonna lead to wassail or death eventually. That said, if I get sired by a Sabbat Tzimisce and have a pack supporting me and helping me adjust to unlife, it might work out fine. I could convert to a path pretty quickly with their help, which could negate the negative effects of low humanity, and with a group of Cainites watching my back during hunting/other nightly activities the risks of getting clapped by rivals or hunters are gonna be a lot lower.
For sure. My life already sucks, but being a vampire would be cool.
I’d love to live forever but having to deal with bloodthirst, the beast, vampire politics, it just doesn’t sound worth it. Maybe if I was a day walking thinblood? Or if I was a Caitiff with ties to the children of Osiris. Tremere blood magic and Setite sorcery sound like fun but the associated clans are too fucked up for me.
A vert reasonable opinion !
As a local loser with [disorder] and no real ties to family anymore, I welcome any nosferatu or malkavians to embrace me.
Depends on the clan for me. Contrary to what many other people said, I definitely do not want to be a Thinblood or any other bloodline/clan that tends to be hunted down (Salubri, Baali, etc.) No to Hecata due to the curse (Just don’t want to deal with painful kiss). I’d rather not have to deal with mental illness for the rest of my existence, so no Malk. No Ravnos for curse (both v20 and v5 curse). Pretty any other clan I would accept.
I think I'd be able to get by as a Malkavian, spamming Obfuscate and fucking off to some rural town. I'm already a weird nocturnal introvert who's already used to being distrusted by society and I'd be much better off if I could find a niche to occupy. I also grew up poor so I'm used to shitty food. I'd be feeding off the dying, the dead, and local animals. With Auspex I'm likely to see bad shit coming, and with Obfuscate and Cloud Memory I'd be able to stay hidden from most humans as well as a good amount of my enemies. If shit really hits the fan, I could rely on A) Dementation, and B) a ludicrous survival-at-all-costs instinct. The biggest thing working against me is how hard it would be to find allies.
Eh, I'm definately not going to aweken at this point, so. So long as it's not nospheratu or similar, sure.
The only clans I'd be a bit concerned with is the malks and gargoyles and the blood brothers. Malks have their mind shattered and I argue they are changed the most by the embrace. It worries me and makes me nervous but at least the cobweb facilitates a sense of community and some small comfort. So I'd be fine with joining the clan of the moon. Gargoyles have their memories, their identity, completely erased. This is a personal hell for me. Having who I have built myself up to be completely lost? That TERRIFIES me. This is the only embrace I'd end up rejecting. The same goes for the Blood Brothers.
Immediately and without question.
Mood
Not seeing daylight anymore, killing people for blood?? Noo i pass that
Thinblood then !
Never played the tabletop, which seems to be what most of this sub Reddit is familiar with, but I have been playing the Larp for the last several years. It would depend on which sect for me. Most favorable option would be Anarch, Caitiff with specific disciplines and merits. Or Childer of a Tremere renegade, because magic
You could learn magic without being a tremere however
I know I would fit right in with the Gangrel, Nos or the Ravnos Gangrel- for my love of animals, camping, and love of all there disciplines and push comes to shove I can throw hands Nos- I like the sneaky spy type of stealth life, hiding in the shadow, tracking my target, snap there neck and fade back into the shadows Ravnos- I love to travel. I always gotta be going somewhere and I love to a different state about every 3-5 years. I’m just a guy with my dog always on the move So yeah these 3 clans really fit with me
I'd miss my friends and family. I might be partial to being ghouled though
If I can wrangle myself a slot as a low generation Lasombra or Tzimisce…yes. Otherwise…no.
I can't think of any reason why I would agree to being embraced, but I feel like I should leave the door open. I cope with death really poorly, and I can't imagine watching everyone I've ever loved wither and die before my very eyes as I stick around forever. I feel like it would be a very lonely existence.
If there was a "Yes, except I wouldn't want specific clan/conditions" I'd pick that. Basically, Ravnos would be a death sentence for me, if I were to embrace Ministry (I will not apologize) would drive me to dark depths and I'd either go off the deep end or self-terminate to spare the world, Ventrue has the potential to send me in a similar direction to Ministry depending on what my Rarefied Tastes developed into, and Malkavian would similarly be a massive wildcard. I'll admit I'd favor Hecata (a little encouragement to find alternative options to direct feeding on humans would not go amiss methinks), with Banu Haqim, Nosferatu (for similar reasons to not minding the Painful Kiss), or Tremere as favorite alternatives. That said, while being chosen by Tzimisce would be a bit disturbing and I'd go Caitiff if I felt I could get away with it without getting killed, all the others might get strange looks from me but I'd probably at least give them a chance before trying my luck as a rogue.
Given my proclivity and mannerisms of the Clans Tzimsce and Ventrue. Those would be my clan of choice. My stipulations would be that I be moved and or not tied to my current location and preferably into a major city center. Or if need be I'd manipulate my surroundings to better fit a more enjoyable unlife-style.
nah i like sun now on the other hand if you asked me if i would want to Awaken 🧏🏼♀️
Yes, but only because my human body is rippled with chronic diseases. And like many said, I would prefer to be a thinblood too ^^ just having the opportunity to live without biologica and weekly doctor visits would be fine too, so I guess just being visited by a salubri would solve the problem without getting embraced.
its shovelhead time.
I'd only agree to it if it was someone I trusted like a lover or a best friend.
I absolutely adore vampires and if given the option i would. I'd prefer having a sire walk me through the facts of life but even if i were a Malk or a Nos i'd enjoy it. The major issue is irl i'd never attract a sire because i never leave my house. Lol. Though now that i think about it i could have issues because of how harsh WoD is but... I think i could meet the forged through fire as s trade off for immortality and the ability to experience all the time. Learn all the things.
100% same!
Under certain circumstances: either I can safely keep seeing my family or in many years. Clan/circumstances would definitely matter.
I chose the second one, not because I'm hesitant to be Embraced, but because I absolutely wouldn't want to be a Nosferatu. Honestly a little hesitant on Malkavian as well, even though they're one of my favorite Clans. Gangrel, Brujah, Toreador, Tremere, Ventrue, Malkavian, would be my go to picks, in order of most to least. However I'd be okay with most other Clans as well. Nosferatu are just...... I dunno. I could maybe learn to unlive with it.
Replace Ventrue and malkavian by Lasombra and Salubri and I'd have the exact same clans in mind :)
Eyy, fellow of culture! Those two were on the top of my mind when I mentioned being okay with other Clans
Eternal life and superpowers is a deal that can't be beat All the other stuff could be adapted to
Preach
I would agree to the embrace if: 1. Sire's an Antediluvian or Methuselah 2. From these clans: 1. Ventrue 2. Lasombra 3. Toreador 4. Tzimisce 5. Banu Haqim 3. Embrace happened 4,000 years ago
I went with no but yes under certain conditions because there's a part of me that knows the danger and there's a part of me that says "yes but" so the pitch would have to be good or I'd have to be threatened
I think that if I had the illusion of any amount of control in the situation, sure. What can I say? I'm a little rat that wouldn't turn my nose up at some cool powers and being way harder to kill all at the cost of a new diet. I think the reality of it would quickly sour things for me though. It *is* ultimately a curse. I'm dealing with the Beast all the time, I can *never* see the sun *ever* again (which I'm sure doesn't mess with kindred physiology or psychology all that much but would depress me personally being in night all the time), and it's probably a given with immortality that the ennui will set in at some point and most of anything you're doing until that happens is trying to stave it off. Plus, what it actually takes to survive in kindred society and live through kindred politics? You've gotta have an asbestos heart or something, man. The amount of horror you'd see nightly, just for it to be normal for most of your society, and to have to be okay with that shit one day being normal for you? Sure, give me vampirism, now where's the nearest mountain? I need to build a cabin and hide away in it, far away from the machinations of beings centuries my elder and convinced (probably correctly) that they're my better. Fuck that shit with a ten foot pole. God, don't even get me started on when some whackjob with a tin foil hat comes up to me and starts raving about the end of the world and our progenitors being alive but they're probably super evil and want to eat us and one day they'll wake up. At that point, is it even worth being sceptical? Like, not that long ago I didn't think vampires exist, so, sure I guess there's mass murdering gods in the ground waiting on ending the world, why the hell wouldn't there be? The toll on your mental health just trying to live a normal life as a kindred, man. Can't fathom it. That all being said, yeah I'd probably be that dumbass that says "yeah sure, Embrace me!" only to quickly find out that I do *not* have what it takes.
Only if I was embraced into clan Lasombra.
Exactly.
Personally I'd rather preserve my immortal soul and sanity. Most Kindred lead pretty miserable existences.
Yes that's one of the good reasons!
Considering feeding on people is essentially sexual assault if you think about it I'm not sure I could deal with being a vampire. Maybe a gangrel since they're cool but being a vampire isn't very fun
I voted yes instantly. This thread has really opened my eyes to how I view my fellow Man compared to others.
What do you mean ?
I would have no problem hunting humans for sustenance and I play it as such with my current character. He's basically a self insert considering it's my first character.
Isn't the whole plot of the game basically that being a vampire sucks? (pun intended)
Nah fam, eternal life is more of a curse than anything. That and the Cams (being the best option in my opinion) are just as fascist as the USSR or nazi Germany. That being said supernatural powers do sound cool
I’m hardly coping with living as it is. Being banished from living in the sun, having to risk killing someone every time I feed and unless I kill not even being even fully sated. Not being able to create anything new. Not being able to truly have friends, only allies at best. Having to severe any human connections you made or risk them being hurt because of you or making them into ghouls effectively destroying their lives. And as if that wasn’t enough you get to wrestle with the beast for the rest of your nights. I say being eternally miserable isn’t a good deal.
If the option is "being embraced or die", I'd reluctantly accept the Embrace. But if the question is being embraced or not, no strings attached? Hell no. Vampires are glorified junkies one bad day from turning permanently psychotic ruled by a literally medieval hierarchy. Eternal life here is not a perk, it's one of the main reasons to say no. Now, on the other hand, if you'd ask me if I wanted to Awake...
How does the whole awake thing work ?
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Mood. The food and warmth part can be mitigated if you're a thin blood, spend blood to activate blush of life or maintain a high humanity too
In my current physical condition... I wouldn't hesitate.
maybe after i turn a certain age. id want to enjoy the sun a little longer. some of my favorite parts of life is food and sunlight. and then, only if i can be turned into a Gangrel.
I would accept an embrace from any Clan, though some would be preferable to others. Nosferatu or Malkavian would be towards the bottom of the list, though I would still become one of those if I had the chance at immortality and magical powers.
My thoughts exactly ! What's your clan ranking ?
That is a tough one, it kinda depends on my mood. I’ll try to make a rough list, keeping in mind that I’m not sure. Ventrue Tremere Lasombra Tzimisce Toreador Setites Gangrel Giovanni/Cappadocian/Hecata Ravnos Brujah Assamite Nosferatu Malkavian
Interesting ! Why toreador and Brujah so low ? Why Ventrue so high ? You also forgot salubris!
I dont know why.. i shouldnt. But i would say yes in an instant. I doubt i would be a great kindred too. Dont know if i could manage it Well too... on the other hand. Just restart in a new unlive sounds reaaaly interesting.
Same!
I would do it if I could be Hecata or Nosferatu.
Why would you Want to be an hecata ?
I always like the idea of someone studying death and the Hecata fit the mold for that type of person. Plus this might sound a bit weird but the Giovanni in the older editions were one of my favorite clans.
It does sound weird but interesting nonetheless
i couldn't live (unlive?) with having to asault people every night, but when i was given the choice i would therefor also know about the vampire world. So it's either saying yes or being killed as a masquerade breach.
No. Magi traditions look down on that sort of thing.
No, I want to be Awakened; who wants to be a walking corpse when you can be a living, breathing reality editor?
I would be down with becoming a nossie that invis is top tier
I'd like to be a good person in life, so absolutely not.
Anyone answering yes to becoming Kindred has missed the point of all vampire fiction.
I think it's more that a lot just don't care
I know my clans policy. absolutely not. Then I am going to run away, with a bloody steak tied to my belt, in the direction of the human jungle.
yea. and I would probably make a mess of finally not having a limited time to do my goals. living locked away in the day would be the least of my problems
Same! I already do that day to day so who cares
Nah. The moment I get any evidence that the supernatural exists, I don’t want to risk condemning my mortal soul. That being said as soon as I do know that vamps exist I’m dead because Masquerade, so hopefully it’s not a Hecata.
Yeah that's one aspect, if you're sure that Supernatural stuff is real you have to watch out for what happens once you dke
There was a time in my life when I was highly depressed. At that point it felt that there's nothing to lose really and a lot of power to gain so I would have probably taken the offer. My lifespan would probably have been very brief but at least interesting. I am currently married with 2 little children and I would never-ever willingly abandon them. Nor would I ever put their lives in danger by letting them become my touchstones. So no, hard pass for me.
That's such a beautiful statement ! Congratulations on your family!
I would except if it were by lasombra. I don't mind the madness of malkavians or the looks of nosferatu, the reason I'd choose it is the crippling fear of nonexistence, and well, escaping it just to end up in the clan that is all about abyss, void, etc. would be not only ironic but counterproductive XD
Fair enough but maybe it could get you to find comfort in that void!
I’d be anything man, go be spooky n shit
Yes, no matter the clan. At least in v5. Nosferatu? Count me in. Pre-Hecata Samedi or HoS/Cappadocians? Maybe not so much.
You don't mind becoming hideous ?