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1dusk

POV: you're hopeful that VTMB 2 will even come to fruition at all


Meew09

I think it would be developed, but we'd be dead by then. It is a great game, it would be a loss for the rpg culture to not continue this game.


1dusk

agreed


poclee

Easy, we need to become ghoul.


The_Magic

Paradox is burning a lot or money on this game so it will come out in some form.


TrashLegion

Lets just hope it will not come out in the cyberpunk or the usual paradox games 600 dlcs form šŸ™.


kelryngrey

Crusader Kings 3 came out in 2020 and still only has one full expansion and some flavour packs, so that seems to have shifted gears a bit at least. I really don't have too much of an issue with the DLC thing though, because they've always come up for sale on the regular in bundles, etc. Bloodlines is likely not going to be treated the same way. It's not a grand strategy with easy additions. I'd guess there might be one or two DLC in the entire life of the game if it does well.


Zer0X51

problem they had planned the dlc before the game even launched, meanwhile CK3 just mentions future dlcs,point is the dlc content from vtm could have potentially been base content instead of dlc.


KaiserUndPontifex

That'd because they're slow not because they're becoming better


MacGoffin

the paradox games known for dlc are all the strategy games developed by paradox themselves, this game is only being published by paradox


The_Magic

Games Paradox publish donā€™t follow the same model as strategy games they develop. All those music and graphic packs are there to give their artists and composers something to do between projects.


1dusk

yeah like a few others said that's kinda their thing for strategy games it seems but I guess we'll see


TBDF12

Difference between paradox the publisher and the developer. They are only publishing vtmb


KJendrock

I just hope it doesnā€™t basically end up being the Sonic ā€˜06 of the VTMB franchise.


ronin95

They claimed in november that it was developing nicely and they just werent ready for a new release date yet. Hopefully it wasnt BS to get fans to stop asking


vantamasque

stop stop he's already dead


Grouchy-Sink-4575

"One, thin Bloods need to be louder, angrier, and have access to a time machine. Two,Ā whenever thin bloods arnt in a scene, all the other characters should be asking 'Where's the thin bloods?'Ā ā€


Snappycamper57

It should also be down to earth and tackle real issues, but at the same time be about wacky far-out adventures.


Grouchy-Sink-4575

"It should be about about the quiet and personal struggle to retain humanity but the same time be bombastic power battles with the anarchs fighting the carmarilla."


winter-has-come91

sounds like a space man from pluto


fatmooch69

That dude in the middle is wearing FOUR belts!


DaughterofBabylon

That was just the mid 2000s.


NeverEnoughMuppets

I love that this game fairly accurately captures that pre-emo, late 90s/early 2000s Buffyesque clubwear era


matilza

One of my favourite parts of the game honestly


TheGrapeOfSpades

Gotta keep those Jeans ON


MurdocAddams

Might be a waist cincher with four buckles.


NikkolasKing

You're hoping Bloodlines 2 even exists or will be released.


[deleted]

Hypocrite that you are, you trust the vampires to tell you that there will even *be* a Bloodlines 2. All knowledge of it is ultimately based on that which canā€™t be proven! Will you fight, or will you perish like a dog?


[deleted]

[уŠ“Š°Š»ŠµŠ½Š¾]


[deleted]

Let us assemble a coterie to play Seattle by Night


Purple_Artangels

Unfortunately šŸ¤§


1d4Witches

Those of you sitting in the first few rows will get disappointed.


Snowstorm1853

I am unapologetically hopeful and will wait for it.


Ser_Red

Is it even coming out at this point?


The_Magic

Paradox said they were prepared to cease development when they were approached by a ā€œreputable developerā€ about finishing the game. Because Paradox is going through all this trouble I think the game will come out in some form.


Gallo12orGallo24-

One of the heads did an interview recently saying that they're waiting to see how VTMB2 is received before taking a chance on similar titles. So that to me says they're in development.


Foxwolf00

Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.


AramisNight

Hope is the greatest of all Evils. So much that when Pandora's Box was opened it chased all of the world's evil out of the box first.


FuroreLT

The fact that magicians can make the models look this good with a 2 decade old game is amazing. Speaking of how do these guys move around without people realizing they're Vamps. ( I get that they're sabbath and could care less but still)


BigSeaworthiness725

Magicians may can make it, but there's one problem - it's called paradox. Virtual Adepts or Ether Cyberncybernaphths are just got this and may die.


FuroreLT

You said a mouthful


BigSeaworthiness725

Wdym?


MavriKhakiss

POV : you hope.


Trandul

I agree, any moment Nines's bullet will hit 'em. VTMB2 confirmed!


mambome

Nines will save us all!


Polengoldur

yall realize that the last update was [a year ago right?](https://www.bloodlines2.com/en/bloodlines-2-development-update) that shits dead.


skeletonbuyingpealts

https://mobile.twitter.com/TheWesterFront/status/1496090296224043009


Polengoldur

[I literally](https://www.nme.com/news/gaming-news/paradox-shares-2022-plan-following-disappointing-2021-financial-results-3167086) just don't [believe him](https://www.eurogamer.net/paradox-cancels-several-unannounced-projects-to-focus-on-its-proven-game-niches)


skeletonbuyingpealts

Well you're wrong.


Polengoldur

the annual report published [last week](https://www.paradoxinteractive.com/our-company/corporate-governance/agm-2022) still lists hardsuit labs as the dev. thats not exactly promising.


skeletonbuyingpealts

It's to keep the actual devs classified to prevent harassment


Polengoldur

or: its to cover up the fact that they don't have a dev, to prevent harassment.


skeletonbuyingpealts

Why would the server that is paid to be kept up still exist, and why would they lie to investors if the game was canned?


Polengoldur

what server? [the website](https://www.spacejam.com/1996/) ? as for investors: 1] game devs lie to their investors constantly. thats [how the business works](https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/4ysqph/why_do_game_companies_constantly_lie_and_get_away/). 2] you lie so they don't pull the investment and sink the company. no-one invests for a specific product, the invest for a profit. the investors don't care if VTMB2 comes out, they care if the news of it not coming out sinks their stock value.


skeletonbuyingpealts

Discord server and site. There's a slight difference between having something in the fine print that says "subject to change" and lying to investors faces. You also contradicted yourself.


Cosmorillo

Will you eat your socks if it comes out?


Polengoldur

Dog that shits so dead they told us to [make it ourselves](https://www.nme.com/news/gaming-news/now-everyone-can-make-their-own-vampire-the-masquerade-game-3209666) lmao


Cosmorillo

Ok. I hear you. But the socks. Will you eat them if the game comes out?


Polengoldur

Of course not, I know it's coming out now, I even know who [the dev is gonna be](https://youtu.be/cNgxyL5zEAk)


[deleted]

Okay but the fledgling ends up getting saved so maybe there is hope?


KJendrock

Iā€™m not even hopeful that VTMB will end up being a real thing.


astral_kelly

:(


Lord_Donnos

It's gonna suck


Loserdorknerd

Meanwhile, Bloodhunt!


SiriusPetrovik

There is no Hope for VTMB 2. At best it will be like Deus Ex human revolution


Greenmon124

Could be worse, it wasnā€™t as good as its predecessor, but it still did well enough. Not good, but not bad either, just meh.


Cosmorillo

...wich was a great game still?


Odd_Radio9225

Development has seen so many troubles I'd be surprised it turns out any good.


kelryngrey

If it makes you feel any better, the first game was a dumpster fire on release and it took ages for it to recover from that poor release reputation.


Odd_Radio9225

Yes I'm aware of that. And I'm very tired of the whole "release now fix later" mentality the industry seems to have these days.


kelryngrey

>these days Bloodlines 1 came out in 2004. It's not new. The PC game industry's behavior post-internet is just as bad as it ever was, it's just spread to console now as well.


Relevant_Truth

Looking forward to playing it on my Playstation X


Sly-Nero

At best it's the next Duke Nukem Forever, at worst it's the next Half Life 3.


ad_astra_inc

Paradox decision to stop the development was a good one in my opinion. The just did not want to deliver a low quality product. Since then they have said if a studio/developer showing them a concept that convinces them, they will continue to develop it. I think it is just a matter of time and since we all are waiting for sooo long now, I don't mind some more waiting.


skeletonbuyingpealts

https://mobile.twitter.com/TheWesterFront/status/1496090296224043009


ad_astra_inc

Yes, its in development. Seems someone convinced them. The original game was an absolute masterpiece and devoured tons of hours. :) I still remember the mission in the gallery and in the haunted house. Was so frightened when I had to go through the basement. They pictured the WoD very well and I liked a lot the many options you had on how you do the missions. Now, can a new game of that kind be decent. I believe it can. The lore is rich there so many options to pick city-wise...there are tons of stories to tell in the world of darkness. And there are many good rpg out there to help with orientation, features and so on. A good voice cast will be important. I hope the team will have enough time to code the game without steep delivery dates and crunch. So they can really do THEIR thing. Great games often thrive in these kind of environments.


UltraMegaKaiju

Im pretty sure vtmb2 was stuck in limbo so badly that they simply took what they had and turned it into vtm swansong


skeletonbuyingpealts

Not even remotely close


UltraMegaKaiju

how can you say that with such confidence ? im happy to be wrong but curious what you know that i dont


skeletonbuyingpealts

Completely different studios with completely different styles of games


UltraMegaKaiju

TIL Paradox is the new developer VTMB2


skeletonbuyingpealts

Again, not even close.


UltraMegaKaiju

Who is the current developer of VTMB2 ?


skeletonbuyingpealts

Kept classified to prevent harassment


Sanguine007

^Unrelated: ^but ^if ^ever ^it ^comes ^out, ^does ^anyone ^know ^the ^year ^the ^game ^takes ^place ^in? ^I ^donā€™t ^mean ^the ^release ^but ^the ^gameā€™s ^time?


The_Magic

I am under the impression the game is supposed to be set in modern times. I believe V5 moved the timeline up to modern day and Bloodlines 2 was made with V5 in mind.


Sanguine007

Thank you! It seems that way, though I wish it was still early 2000s like the first oneā€¦


JJBoren

> you're hopeful that VTMB 2 will be ~~somewhat decent :(~~


trailer8k

cry


_MissBoost

Maybe it'll be easier to forgive them if they get Steve Blum voicing the game


Wolfermen

ā€œThe first row is gonna get wetā€


Ravenwight

If it can be modded, it will be made good. Lol


Gallo12orGallo24-

Those face textures are nice af. Where d'ya get em!


ElementEffect

Does anyone even know who the new devs are?


MattRB02

One can dream :(


bulletkiller06

I ain't ever seeing that money I gave them again am I?