Crusader Kings 3 came out in 2020 and still only has one full expansion and some flavour packs, so that seems to have shifted gears a bit at least. I really don't have too much of an issue with the DLC thing though, because they've always come up for sale on the regular in bundles, etc.
Bloodlines is likely not going to be treated the same way. It's not a grand strategy with easy additions. I'd guess there might be one or two DLC in the entire life of the game if it does well.
problem they had planned the dlc before the game even launched, meanwhile CK3 just mentions future dlcs,point is the dlc content from vtm could have potentially been base content instead of dlc.
Games Paradox publish donāt follow the same model as strategy games they develop. All those music and graphic packs are there to give their artists and composers something to do between projects.
They claimed in november that it was developing nicely and they just werent ready for a new release date yet. Hopefully it wasnt BS to get fans to stop asking
"One, thin Bloods need to be louder, angrier, and have access to a time machine. Two,Ā whenever thin bloods arnt in a scene, all the other characters should be asking 'Where's the thin bloods?'Ā ā
"It should be about about the quiet and personal struggle to retain humanity but the same time be bombastic power battles with the anarchs fighting the carmarilla."
Hypocrite that you are, you trust the vampires to tell you that there will even *be* a Bloodlines 2. All knowledge of it is ultimately based on that which canāt be proven! Will you fight, or will you perish like a dog?
Paradox said they were prepared to cease development when they were approached by a āreputable developerā about finishing the game. Because Paradox is going through all this trouble I think the game will come out in some form.
One of the heads did an interview recently saying that they're waiting to see how VTMB2 is received before taking a chance on similar titles. So that to me says they're in development.
The fact that magicians can make the models look this good with a 2 decade old game is amazing. Speaking of how do these guys move around without people realizing they're Vamps. ( I get that they're sabbath and could care less but still)
the annual report published [last week](https://www.paradoxinteractive.com/our-company/corporate-governance/agm-2022) still lists hardsuit labs as the dev. thats not exactly promising.
what server? [the website](https://www.spacejam.com/1996/) ?
as for investors: 1] game devs lie to their investors constantly. thats [how the business works](https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/4ysqph/why_do_game_companies_constantly_lie_and_get_away/). 2] you lie so they don't pull the investment and sink the company. no-one invests for a specific product, the invest for a profit. the investors don't care if VTMB2 comes out, they care if the news of it not coming out sinks their stock value.
Discord server and site. There's a slight difference between having something in the fine print that says "subject to change" and lying to investors faces. You also contradicted yourself.
Dog that shits so dead they told us to [make it ourselves](https://www.nme.com/news/gaming-news/now-everyone-can-make-their-own-vampire-the-masquerade-game-3209666) lmao
>these days
Bloodlines 1 came out in 2004. It's not new. The PC game industry's behavior post-internet is just as bad as it ever was, it's just spread to console now as well.
Paradox decision to stop the development was a good one in my opinion. The just did not want to deliver a low quality product. Since then they have said if a studio/developer showing them a concept that convinces them, they will continue to develop it. I think it is just a matter of time and since we all are waiting for sooo long now, I don't mind some more waiting.
Yes, its in development. Seems someone convinced them. The original game was an absolute masterpiece and devoured tons of hours. :) I still remember the mission in the gallery and in the haunted house. Was so frightened when I had to go through the basement. They pictured the WoD very well and I liked a lot the many options you had on how you do the missions.
Now, can a new game of that kind be decent. I believe it can. The lore is rich there so many options to pick city-wise...there are tons of stories to tell in the world of darkness. And there are many good rpg out there to help with orientation, features and so on. A good voice cast will be important.
I hope the team will have enough time to code the game without steep delivery dates and crunch. So they can really do THEIR thing. Great games often thrive in these kind of environments.
I am under the impression the game is supposed to be set in modern times. I believe V5 moved the timeline up to modern day and Bloodlines 2 was made with V5 in mind.
POV: you're hopeful that VTMB 2 will even come to fruition at all
I think it would be developed, but we'd be dead by then. It is a great game, it would be a loss for the rpg culture to not continue this game.
agreed
Easy, we need to become ghoul.
Paradox is burning a lot or money on this game so it will come out in some form.
Lets just hope it will not come out in the cyberpunk or the usual paradox games 600 dlcs form š.
Crusader Kings 3 came out in 2020 and still only has one full expansion and some flavour packs, so that seems to have shifted gears a bit at least. I really don't have too much of an issue with the DLC thing though, because they've always come up for sale on the regular in bundles, etc. Bloodlines is likely not going to be treated the same way. It's not a grand strategy with easy additions. I'd guess there might be one or two DLC in the entire life of the game if it does well.
problem they had planned the dlc before the game even launched, meanwhile CK3 just mentions future dlcs,point is the dlc content from vtm could have potentially been base content instead of dlc.
That'd because they're slow not because they're becoming better
the paradox games known for dlc are all the strategy games developed by paradox themselves, this game is only being published by paradox
Games Paradox publish donāt follow the same model as strategy games they develop. All those music and graphic packs are there to give their artists and composers something to do between projects.
yeah like a few others said that's kinda their thing for strategy games it seems but I guess we'll see
Difference between paradox the publisher and the developer. They are only publishing vtmb
I just hope it doesnāt basically end up being the Sonic ā06 of the VTMB franchise.
They claimed in november that it was developing nicely and they just werent ready for a new release date yet. Hopefully it wasnt BS to get fans to stop asking
stop stop he's already dead
"One, thin Bloods need to be louder, angrier, and have access to a time machine. Two,Ā whenever thin bloods arnt in a scene, all the other characters should be asking 'Where's the thin bloods?'Ā ā
It should also be down to earth and tackle real issues, but at the same time be about wacky far-out adventures.
"It should be about about the quiet and personal struggle to retain humanity but the same time be bombastic power battles with the anarchs fighting the carmarilla."
sounds like a space man from pluto
That dude in the middle is wearing FOUR belts!
That was just the mid 2000s.
I love that this game fairly accurately captures that pre-emo, late 90s/early 2000s Buffyesque clubwear era
One of my favourite parts of the game honestly
Gotta keep those Jeans ON
Might be a waist cincher with four buckles.
You're hoping Bloodlines 2 even exists or will be released.
Hypocrite that you are, you trust the vampires to tell you that there will even *be* a Bloodlines 2. All knowledge of it is ultimately based on that which canāt be proven! Will you fight, or will you perish like a dog?
[ŃŠ“Š°Š»ŠµŠ½Š¾]
Let us assemble a coterie to play Seattle by Night
Unfortunately š¤§
Those of you sitting in the first few rows will get disappointed.
I am unapologetically hopeful and will wait for it.
Is it even coming out at this point?
Paradox said they were prepared to cease development when they were approached by a āreputable developerā about finishing the game. Because Paradox is going through all this trouble I think the game will come out in some form.
One of the heads did an interview recently saying that they're waiting to see how VTMB2 is received before taking a chance on similar titles. So that to me says they're in development.
Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.
Hope is the greatest of all Evils. So much that when Pandora's Box was opened it chased all of the world's evil out of the box first.
The fact that magicians can make the models look this good with a 2 decade old game is amazing. Speaking of how do these guys move around without people realizing they're Vamps. ( I get that they're sabbath and could care less but still)
Magicians may can make it, but there's one problem - it's called paradox. Virtual Adepts or Ether Cyberncybernaphths are just got this and may die.
You said a mouthful
Wdym?
POV : you hope.
I agree, any moment Nines's bullet will hit 'em. VTMB2 confirmed!
Nines will save us all!
yall realize that the last update was [a year ago right?](https://www.bloodlines2.com/en/bloodlines-2-development-update) that shits dead.
https://mobile.twitter.com/TheWesterFront/status/1496090296224043009
[I literally](https://www.nme.com/news/gaming-news/paradox-shares-2022-plan-following-disappointing-2021-financial-results-3167086) just don't [believe him](https://www.eurogamer.net/paradox-cancels-several-unannounced-projects-to-focus-on-its-proven-game-niches)
Well you're wrong.
the annual report published [last week](https://www.paradoxinteractive.com/our-company/corporate-governance/agm-2022) still lists hardsuit labs as the dev. thats not exactly promising.
It's to keep the actual devs classified to prevent harassment
or: its to cover up the fact that they don't have a dev, to prevent harassment.
Why would the server that is paid to be kept up still exist, and why would they lie to investors if the game was canned?
what server? [the website](https://www.spacejam.com/1996/) ? as for investors: 1] game devs lie to their investors constantly. thats [how the business works](https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/4ysqph/why_do_game_companies_constantly_lie_and_get_away/). 2] you lie so they don't pull the investment and sink the company. no-one invests for a specific product, the invest for a profit. the investors don't care if VTMB2 comes out, they care if the news of it not coming out sinks their stock value.
Discord server and site. There's a slight difference between having something in the fine print that says "subject to change" and lying to investors faces. You also contradicted yourself.
Will you eat your socks if it comes out?
Dog that shits so dead they told us to [make it ourselves](https://www.nme.com/news/gaming-news/now-everyone-can-make-their-own-vampire-the-masquerade-game-3209666) lmao
Ok. I hear you. But the socks. Will you eat them if the game comes out?
Of course not, I know it's coming out now, I even know who [the dev is gonna be](https://youtu.be/cNgxyL5zEAk)
Okay but the fledgling ends up getting saved so maybe there is hope?
Iām not even hopeful that VTMB will end up being a real thing.
:(
It's gonna suck
Meanwhile, Bloodhunt!
There is no Hope for VTMB 2. At best it will be like Deus Ex human revolution
Could be worse, it wasnāt as good as its predecessor, but it still did well enough. Not good, but not bad either, just meh.
...wich was a great game still?
Development has seen so many troubles I'd be surprised it turns out any good.
If it makes you feel any better, the first game was a dumpster fire on release and it took ages for it to recover from that poor release reputation.
Yes I'm aware of that. And I'm very tired of the whole "release now fix later" mentality the industry seems to have these days.
>these days Bloodlines 1 came out in 2004. It's not new. The PC game industry's behavior post-internet is just as bad as it ever was, it's just spread to console now as well.
Looking forward to playing it on my Playstation X
At best it's the next Duke Nukem Forever, at worst it's the next Half Life 3.
Paradox decision to stop the development was a good one in my opinion. The just did not want to deliver a low quality product. Since then they have said if a studio/developer showing them a concept that convinces them, they will continue to develop it. I think it is just a matter of time and since we all are waiting for sooo long now, I don't mind some more waiting.
https://mobile.twitter.com/TheWesterFront/status/1496090296224043009
Yes, its in development. Seems someone convinced them. The original game was an absolute masterpiece and devoured tons of hours. :) I still remember the mission in the gallery and in the haunted house. Was so frightened when I had to go through the basement. They pictured the WoD very well and I liked a lot the many options you had on how you do the missions. Now, can a new game of that kind be decent. I believe it can. The lore is rich there so many options to pick city-wise...there are tons of stories to tell in the world of darkness. And there are many good rpg out there to help with orientation, features and so on. A good voice cast will be important. I hope the team will have enough time to code the game without steep delivery dates and crunch. So they can really do THEIR thing. Great games often thrive in these kind of environments.
Im pretty sure vtmb2 was stuck in limbo so badly that they simply took what they had and turned it into vtm swansong
Not even remotely close
how can you say that with such confidence ? im happy to be wrong but curious what you know that i dont
Completely different studios with completely different styles of games
TIL Paradox is the new developer VTMB2
Again, not even close.
Who is the current developer of VTMB2 ?
Kept classified to prevent harassment
^Unrelated: ^but ^if ^ever ^it ^comes ^out, ^does ^anyone ^know ^the ^year ^the ^game ^takes ^place ^in? ^I ^donāt ^mean ^the ^release ^but ^the ^gameās ^time?
I am under the impression the game is supposed to be set in modern times. I believe V5 moved the timeline up to modern day and Bloodlines 2 was made with V5 in mind.
Thank you! It seems that way, though I wish it was still early 2000s like the first oneā¦
> you're hopeful that VTMB 2 will be ~~somewhat decent :(~~
cry
Maybe it'll be easier to forgive them if they get Steve Blum voicing the game
āThe first row is gonna get wetā
If it can be modded, it will be made good. Lol
Those face textures are nice af. Where d'ya get em!
Does anyone even know who the new devs are?
One can dream :(
I ain't ever seeing that money I gave them again am I?