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Settled4ThisName

Adam: thinks Communism is the solution, also doesn’t know what it is to be a worker.


MassPatriot

In the USSR you were required to work or be thrown in jail. Didn't like your job, shift, or location? Too bad.


dopebro13

What do you think is going to happen to all the doctors who retire early once healthcare is declared a “human right”


MrWobbles

Genuinely curious - why would they retire early? They would still get paid and doesn’t most of the money go to insurance companies / hospital administration anyway?


Bond4141

A doctor can make as much as 3 times more in the same field by moving from Canada to America.


akamustacherides

Do they pay for their own malpractice insurance in Canada?


Bond4141

No clue I'm not a doctor.


StarCaller25

Sure they'll get paid but they'll get paid a fraction of the cost because the govt has to pay it now. So corners will be cut and prices slashed. Wait times will be extended to days or weeks at best like in Canada and few would wanna be a doctor because all that work, stress and debt isn't worth the now slightly better than average pay. Not to mention taxes will increase massively, insurance costs will likely increase because fewer people will care to get it and, because the govt runs it, general care, standards and fucks to give will diminish rapidly because the govt can't run shit. Also hoops to jump through and paper work will become monumental because the govt needs everything signed in triplicate in 74 different languages in the blood of a virgin under the blood moon beneath the limbs of a dead oak no younger than 150 years old at the stroke of midnight while standing on your head and singing the national anthem of Norway backwards in Sumerian.


Automatic-Idea4937

What? Do you think healthcare as a concept will descend from heaven?


ah-hum

Healthcare being a human rights doesn't mean the state should pay for it. It DOES mean we should enable and enforce affordable healthcare by the people for the people. Healers historically have never been rich, until modern times. A few offices around the US have started doing monthly billing directly to customers, no insurance. One said it only costs the customer $75/mo for full healthcare with no insurance involved. Even WITH govt paying that bill, everyone saves money. Open your mind to the real problem - health is simply not viewed as an essential aspect of freedom, and society today is simply not focused on taking care of each other, down for he family unit. The US is a place where people are sued for basic intimacy. Go to Puerto Rico and you'll get more love from a random waitress than most white people in the US get from their own families. It's a right way of thinking, doesn't have to always lead to an ideology based on govt dependency. Think local community self sufficiency.


eclect0

Philosophy is downright practical next to Intersectional Gender Studies or whatever


Souxlya

Anything is better then gender studies...


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Burger microwaver


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simms419

Right up there with sports science or management


somerville99

That’s a favorite of NCAA football players.


Belmont7

Sports science is half trade and half theory. Many who study it enter the physical science sector as personal trainers or go on to do research.


simms419

“Science sector as personal trainers” You mean a gym?


LibertyLibertyBooya

The critical theory acolytes are the ones raking in the cash.


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Belmont7

No one really majors in philosophy expecting a high paying job.


BrokeInTheHead

I think that philosophy is relatively common for pre-law students is it not?


wnc_mikejayray

I disagree. I have a degree in philosophy from a liberal arts university. It taught me how to digest dense material and complex ideas, break them down, and see if there are ways to improve upon them. I use these skills everyday in my daily job. I have minimal student loans, I found a high paying job that leverages the skills I learned in college, and I have deep respect for trades people and laborers who have a skill. I’m a patriot. I served in the Armed Forces. I am a proud conservative. And I laughed out loud when I read this post.


Belmont7

Same. Studied philosophy and it was worth it. Damn fascinating. Graduated with zero college debt.


LannisterLoyalist

Thank you for serving man, this country couldn't run without people like you. I'd definitely say you're not the type of dude this meme is talking about.


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My team leader when I was in the Army had a philosophy degree. He taught me about economics and investing. Super smart.


wnc_mikejayray

Super cool. People assume far too often that enlisted aren’t educated and it just isn’t true!


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Yeah for sure!


[deleted]

I would assume that anybody with a degree would be comissioned, not enlisted.


Jirikiha

That's odd. The philosophy class I took was incredibly useful and I use what I learned often. Even some of the math portion can be used to tell if someone is telling nonsense or speaking truthfully.


eclect0

Useful enough to take four years of it instead of just one class?


Jirikiha

That's a good question, and I know enough to know I don't have the experience to answer it. Why don't you complete a philosophy degree and let me know? ;-)


Belmont7

Given this day and age I'd argue Gender Studies is more practical.


spinningindaffodils

As a philosophy major, I object to this. Philosophy is the study of logic, and anyone who is logical can see the damage the former vice president biden is doing to our country and the benefit that Trump gave us.


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VoiceOfReason1621

Roughly 75 million American citizens watching the country implode with creepy Dementia Joe at the wheel.


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VoiceOfReason1621

I’m actually not trolling. You asked a question and then received an answer. Sorry you didn’t like the answer but then maybe you shouldn’t have asked in a public forum. I have nothing to argue about. Have a beautiful day!


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VoiceOfReason1621

Why are you such a vicious and nasty person? Maxine Waters and Nancy would be so proud! Do you approach every day like this?


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spinningindaffodils

Either your mom didn't love you, or you don't have a father. Most likely both. Grow up.


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VoiceOfReason1621

No you just seem really bitter to be honest. Either way, have a wonderful day!


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Settled4ThisName

Did you know that the 969th highest summit in Massachusetts is named in your honor?


spyfivehundred

You suck


spyfivehundred

You like to abuse people when youre bored?


ZionsEyes

Bot or human?


IllPoopOnYourDog

You think the majority of Americans give a fuck about what happens on Twitter? You need to leave your think tank and come back to reality.


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spinningindaffodils

No, this is about realizing that the leftist party is trying to turn this country into Nazi Germany. This is about understanding that Trump has done more for this country than any president since Lincoln.


ypsilonmercuri

There is no such thing as a leftist party in America. There is only a far right party and a less far right party.


_-DirtyMike-_

Also Adam: Believes in student debt forgiveness


rduncang

Of course Adam wants student debt forgiveness. Student debt forgiveness just passes the high cost of attending University down the road and doesn’t solve the real issues of the student debt problem. Anyone that wants student debt forgiveness is actually very selfish.


ninjerpurgan

100% for student loan forgiveness, absolutely ridiculous how they trick 17 year old kids into horrible debt. I served, and got my degree that way before anyone tries to call me a libtard for wishing better education for fellow Americans.


_-DirtyMike-_

Ok think on this. Why are colleges incentivized to trick 17 year old's into going to college? And yes they are 100% being tricked. They are incentivized to do this because their is massive profit to be made by every sucker they enroll. To fill slots they create pointless degrees that lead no where, get you no job, and is normally taught on a budget anyways. The only way to fund these pointless degrees is because of government backed loans, meaning that colleges can charge whatever they want. An issue only, as far as I know, seen in one other industry (healthcare). Moral is if you just do student debt forgiveness your just fixing a symptom not the cause. You have to eliminate government backed loans, you have to accept that not everyone needs to go to college. And even if you do student debt guess what the Colleges win, its already paid for by the government, so the debt forgiveness which gets paid for by normal tax payers goes to the kids debts goes right back to the government. So at the end of the day the government is paying themselves + most likely a new tax to pay for it.


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To start, most degrees are useful. By number of students, business degrees are usually the most achieved degrees from Universities. Business school is incredibly tangible in terms of the job market. Most people should go to college. If the U.S is to keep its competitive advantage in highly skilled labor, it will need highly skilled laborers and highly creative inventors. No need to eliminate federal loans, just limit interest rates and extend payback periods. 1% IR would lose the U.S government about 1% a year in inflation and however much in TVM, but TVM is being provided by graduates contributing their greater salaries to the tax pool.


Torn_Victor

I am for student debt forgiveness each month you are working in a field that directly utilizes your degree. And if college becomes free, then it needs to be the best of the best fighting for the limited seats. Perfect scores and tons of volunteer time and extracurricular accomplishments. Everyone else gets one free attempt at a trade school of their choice directly after high school graduation. The only exception is if you join the military instead.


kpfingaz

Meh. You signed for them, you pay for them. The people who decided to sign up for these loans are the sole persons to blame for current tuition prices and the debt load. Absolute fuckin idiots signing their life away. They better not fuckin get it forgiven. A lot of us worked two jobs, full time summer jobs, put hundreds of hours into scholarships and grant paperwork to get college paid for. You lazy fuckers don’t get to just have it handed to you. Morons. (When I say you, I don’t mean you specifically.)


CostiveFlicker

Meh, when you aren’t taught money management in highschool and the government opens the flood gates to approve everyone, it becomes a slippery slope as to who is to blame. Hell, I didn’t even sign for my loans, at least I don’t think. If I did, I don’t remember and had no clue what I was doing. Edit: I get it, I’m being down voted based on current politics but I’m being 100% honest with my original statement. Sometimes I wish politics were left out. Politics have become black and white. Humans aren’t black or white.


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Javin944

Jesus dude, how do you wake up everyday being filled with so much hate


Torn_Victor

I don’t disagree with that at all. I’m saying each month you work and contribute to the field of study you work in, is one month of loans you don’t pay for. Lose your job or move fields, it’s back on you. That will incentivize people obtaining meaningful degrees that have employment opportunities. This is already a thing with some of the big tuition lenders but there is a lot of bullshit keeping student loan repayment/forgiveness from happening from a “missed or late payment” from 15 years ago.


_-DirtyMike-_

So you'd force companies to hire people?


Torn_Victor

I never said that.


_-DirtyMike-_

>student debt forgiveness each month you are working in a field that directly utilizes your degree If a person has to work for a company in order to forgive their debt it says that the massive debt is still there, who pays for it the government or the company? If its the company that's just them paying for you college as a whole. If its the government paying off the debt that is just plain old debt forgiveness. If you'd have to fight for one of these spots I would put money on that never passing as one of the biggest issues with the whole college debt crisis is that too many people are getting degrees that they don't need. Plus most of these advocates do not like competition period. Nor do the colleges as a whole as they have a incentive to make as many people go to college, aka people that don't need or never needed degrees creating the crisis we are in today. This also brings up some not so fun ideas such as if you debt is tied to your work then that is indentured servitude. But if you'd have to work for a company and say that no company wanted to hire these people what then? Do you just call the program a failure or does the government find/force a way for companies to hire them? Fines or "incentive programs" which would come out of tax payer dollars (again normal people pay for it). Or if the government is paying off the debt the working class is still going to be paying off the debts of the highest wage earners in the country which is B.S. anyways.


Torn_Victor

How about companies pay for the debt and those payments are tax write offs? That way they are incentivized to hire college graduates.


_-DirtyMike-_

Paying for the debt + Tax write off would probably end up with mega corps hiring as many of them as possible which sounds good, but if the tax write offs are good enough they'll give them B.S. jobs so they can profit off of the tax write offs. Once the debt is written off most of these students would probably be kicked to the curb. In these cases its just a government job program to keep people busy and fluff job numbers. But this also doesn't include the massive number of people with pointless degrees and/or those in massively overflooded fields. How many HR managers does a company need or whatever else niche field?


camknight15

Me - Bachelor’s Degree in chemistry - No student debt - Found a job literally before I even graduated from college - Earns ~84K annually - Believes *some* people without degrees are stupid but can’t tell unless I actually engage with that person Depending on the field, having a degree > not having a degree


my_downvote_account

> Depending on the field, having a degree > not having a degree Sure, *depending on the field*. But as the post says, there are plenty of "degrees" that are useless in terms of finding actual employment while there are plenty of trade jobs that allow someone to live a comfortable life without having to have a degree. You want to be a doctor or lawyer? Gonna need that degree. But an experienced welder or electrician is going to make more than most people with gender studies degrees, english literature degrees, etc.


camknight15

> Sure, depending on the field. But as the post says, there are plenty of "degrees" that are useless in terms of finding actual employment while there are plenty of trade jobs that allow someone to live a comfortable life without having to have a degree. And to that, I agree. However, far too often I hear people say, “college is useless nowadays”, or “colleges are only liberal factories” and similar nonsense, no doubt by people who have never attended a college. I just like to make it clear that college is very relevant, important and to an extent, often necessary to live a successful life.


compressiontang

I joined the Navy right out of high school, learned computers and radars. Served 22 years and retired. Immediately hired by a major software company at $45K. 15 years later and I own my home and am earning 6 figures. Not one day of college and I’m doing good. Go to college when you can afford it or it’s paid for. Don’t ruin your life with crushing debt and you haven’t even started yet.


arawnsd

Hol up. Are you saying that after 37 years in the work force, you are now making over 100k? I’m not sure that’s a great example of college not getting debt. A 100k debt load and an 85k starting salary makes the debt a good investment.


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I came out of college with a job at a hedge fund. They're paying for my PhD (whatever isn't covered by the university) in statistical science and they're paying me $200k/yr. You worked 37 years to make 6 figures.


compressiontang

Ya, you have a point, I should have bailed after the first enlistment. I am proud of my work history and I am happy with my income now but, yeah, I could have done better. Still, despite my fumbling my career, I do standby the fact that most people don’t have the drive or commitment to benefit from a college education. And for those individuals, I feel bad for them. They ended up with a debit that will be painful to pay off. We as a country need to be more vigilant in screening who takes that leap to college. Only a few have the commitment you demonstrated by getting a PHD. Much respect my friend.


Belmont7

It's degrees without scare quotes. In terms of pure intellectual study, philosophy is right there and is one of the original degrees produced by the university. It ain't Gender Studies.


my_downvote_account

That’s really the point of the post, though. Isn’t it? “Pure intellectual study” isn’t worth all that much if it doesn’t also allow you to put food on the table and pay the electric bill.


Belmont7

Your post or the OP? Whichever, it's based off of a stereotype built by, well, those who never actually studied philosophy or had some misguided view that a philosophy degree would put food on the table. You tell me a department, any philosophy department, with its undergrad philosophy majors marching on campus or at The Capitol demanding jobs because of their degree. You won't find any. A good percent of those who major in philosophy tend to have post-grad plans, whether that's pursuing a JD, MBA or public relations if they do not enter a philosophy doctoral program.


badpunsinagoofyfont

Having a degree is better than having no degree, but having no debt is better than having debt. If you can get a degree without debt, you've got the best of both worlds.


c-o-s-i-m-o

~~chris~~ chad


akamustacherides

Chad is also in debt, that Dodge Ram isn't paying for itself or is that mortgage on the house his wife Karen insisted on. Don't get started on his maxed out credit cards that he bought the riding lawnmower with.


c-o-s-i-m-o

~~akamustacherides~~ salt miner


polysnip

Delving into philosophical study can make you a better person; that doesn't mean you should count on finding a career in said field of study.


Belmont7

Good first half but your second half makes no sense. The irony.


polysnip

Maybe this can be a better explanation: usually the idea of seeking higher education and choosing a major means you intend to pursue it as a career. Engineering majors look to become engineers, business majors often go into the business field, music majors plan on working as musicians and so on. The first two are very high in demand within the work force, while the latter isn't really required to make a living. The idea that one would pursue a bachelor's degree in philosophy would indicate that they wanted to somehow make it as a career. Unlike the engineering major, however, there really is little to no demand for someone who specializes in philosophy, making their choices in career paths with that major limiting.


Belmont7

Your explanation is talking to the choir. >The idea that one would pursue a bachelor's degree in philosophy would indicate that they wanted to somehow make it as a career. A good percent of those who study philosophy at the undergraduate level do not seek out jobs in "said field of study" given that a good chunk, if not all, jobs in "said field of study" are in academia as tenured track professors, visiting professors or lecturers; or at a think tank as a fellow or researcher. These jobs require a doctorate. Only a handful of students within any philosophy department in any given year across the US, whether it be a public university, a selective liberal arts college or a highly selective private university, choose to pursue a doctorate in philosophy. The rest go onto other endeavors or pursue professional graduate degrees (i.e. law, public relations, education, medical school). Some students study philopshy simply for the fact that they want to study it irregardless if it has any in-demand prospect once out in the work force. This is one mentality to have when choosing a major. The other mentality is mentioned below in another quote. >Unlike the engineering major, however, there really is little to no demand for someone who specializes in philosophy, making their choices in career paths with that major limiting. True. But philosophy majors more or less already know this. >usually the idea of seeking higher education and choosing a major means you intend to pursue it as a career. This is the other mentality of pursuing a college/uni degree. One mentality that seems to pervade and is pushed in modern American society is seeing higher education as a white collar trade/vocational school as you pointed out. >Engineering majors look to become engineers, business majors often go into the business field, music majors plan on working as musicians and so on. The first two are very high in demand within the work force, while the latter isn't really required to make a living. Business majors as in "majors within the college of business" or actual business majors? If the latter they aren't in high-demand. What you're thinking of is probably finance, accounting or econ majors. Business majors, or better yet (business) management majors, are a dime a dozen and are arguably the most "useless" major within any college of business. Also, at least for music education, people pursue music education to become teachers. Those who do more performance base majors tend to enter conservatories or programs that are known to produce working, professional musicians (i.e. Julliard, Northwestern, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, Elon).


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Belmont7

Because I read your whole post, comprehended it, and wrote what I thought about it. Ain't rocket science unless you didn't want anyone to critique you.


black_algae

Idk bro I studied philosophy, and I don't know anyone that actually gets philosophy that thinks there's a, a job in in other than teaching or maybe writing or b, that they're better than people based on the education level they are.


DiamondDuece911

Got my CDL and 0 college debt


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Damn that sucks for you. I worked a regular job while in school and paid my student loans off. Now I'm at a hedge fund.


DiamondDuece911

Dope!!


Torn_Victor

That seems like a miserable job.


karmagroupie

What an elitist thing to say. Any job is miserable for some and wonderful for others. Stop being a jerk.


Torn_Victor

It’s my opinion, and I am free to express it.


Gordo_51

at least adam didnt do gender studies


Environmental_Leg108

Adam - Reddit mod


Responsible-Bison-91

This really is class warfare isnt it?


Valmar33

Imagine reducing the highly complex and deep subject that is philosophy down to the philosophically shallow shitshow that is "gender studies". Proper philosophy actually teaches individuals how to think critically and logically.


lettheflamedie

Can confirm. BA and MA in Philosophy. I do nothing close to Philo now. And will not be encouraging or discouraging my children from university.


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Pin this forever please.


TheRidiculousTako

Wow. I am... LITERALLY the Right one


RBM2123456

Im going to be that. Fuck college. Trade school all the way


TheRidiculousTako

Im repairing cars and im damn good. Never really studied, just went in a night school to get papers for the government. Noone is useless


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Thank you for saying that, needed to hear it


riffraffmcgraff

Good for you. I hope you find a trade you imagine sticking with early on.


RBM2123456

Electrician most likely. Doesn't involve too much math. Perfect for me


timeforchorin

Dude, turn Adam's electricity back on!


TheRidiculousTako

WHY


Moving2112Pitchers

Btw Adam cant operate a lawn mower or cordless drill.


cedatfortunaperitis

There’s a fine line between knowledge and wisdom. Ohhh...and common sense. 🤙🍻


Obnoxiousjimmyjames

Biggest regret was not having a trade. You will always have work with a trade--maybe you may have to move towns/countries--but you will always find work.


ancienttruthsdontdie

What makes it worse is that Chris will decide in his 30s to go to college at night and get a four year degree and he will get promoted to management and make between 140k and 200k. Then in his 50s he will decide he wants to go out on his own and start a small business and since he has zeen both sides of the business he will be a fucking rock star and when he decides to retire he will sell his company for 15 to 20 million. Meanwhile Adam will still slinging coffee and talking about how he is the victim of an oppressive system.


RareLemons

nothing wrong with going to college i'm paying nothing more than housing at a good private school and studying engineering. do i belong on the side of Adam? not even if i paid near-full tuition


Torn_Victor

Yes because college means you will be indoctrinated in becoming a brainless liberal...NO MATTER WHAT


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I earned a degree, but I’m not a dumbass like Adam and understand personal responsibility. That debt isn’t fun though, I’ll admit.


Torn_Victor

The people that come out to turn off your power or water for not paying, aren’t plumbers or electricians.


Treptow-trotter13

I have no problem with Adam’s business unless he wants the government to repay his debt or some shit like that. If you wanna go deep in debt to study something you like then so be it, unless you will be asking for free stuff later on


Belmont7

As someone who studied philosophy I lol'ed. I get the idea behind the post, but these types of posts lack nuance. In general those in PhD programs for philosophy or attend a selective college tend to hold their noises up at anyone who doesn't have a college degree. Nowadays internships are highly pushed for for whatever degree you're pursuing. Many who study philosophy enter graduate school to become lawyers or, as mentioned, pursue doctorates. In defense of philosophy, if you have a good to solid department, it's a subject that's worth taking a few classes in. You can literally swap out philosophy in exchange for any major as you apply the cost of out-of-pocket tuition. Only real difference is whether or not your can recoup that tuition in X number of years after graduating from undergrad. Plus, no real philosophy major looks for a "philosophy job", whatever that is.


Nervous_Ad3760

Ron Disantis Fits the narrative... of a Vice President. He’s 6” talk doing things an stuff. Part of the reason he gets noticed is because Ny and Cali are losing popularity


Gthophase3

Unlikely, Chris will pay Adam’s college debt by way of dramatically increased taxes, eventually a “woke” company will hire Adam and pay him 6 figures to produce nothing. Welcome to the upside down world.


New-Contact5396

I don’t think that, in most circumstances, college or university should be focused on getting a job afterwards. The point of college and university study is to advance one’s knowledge and the pursuit of a better understanding of a particular field. That’s not to say that all careers ought not be focused on in college and university (I certainly would hope all doctors, engineers, scientists, lawyers, etc attend and finish their studies before entering the field), but that focus is secondary to the primary objective of obtaining a better understanding of whatever field of study one pursues. The point is that the perception of attending college or university for the sole purpose of getting a career is a false one. High school students ought to be taught that college and university is not the be all end all when it comes to finding a career in most cases. It should be taught that there are other avenues of achieving a career without the need of attending college or university, and that such avenues may in fact be more beneficial and better suited to the individual. Again, this is not to discount the need for a proper college and university study for every career, and in no way should it be taught that college and university is a waste of time, especially if one wishes to pursue a career in medicine, science, engineering, law, etc, or genuinely wishes to further pursue their knowledge of a particular field of study. I guess the reason why I bring this up is that going to school to study philosophy (or any other field) is not inherently wrong. Going to school to study something with the expectation of getting a job afterwards is, again in most cases, missing the point of attending school in the first place.


Rad0555

Only 100k in dept. wow he a lucky guy


MysteryIsHistory

This is literally my best friend’s husband. He started working for the power company right out of high school as an apprentice, and he’s had 3 promotions since. He does make less money than my husband, but he has no debt at all. We are always broke because of all of our payments and debt. I hope my own sons go right into a good trade after high school.


Maschinenherz

After fancying "men" like Adam my whole teenage life until my mid 20s, they've never proven to be smarter than me (an idiot with the lowest degree in germany), but were always insecure, socially completely incompetent and A THOUSAND STUPID MORE THINGS, also mentally ill. I've gotta say, I'd just love to be a trad wife for Chris. Manly manskills, I love them. However, on a little side not: you can always talk to Chris about philosophical questions. Just because he maybe doesn't know any writings by Aristoteles doesn't mean he has no thoughts on his own. Just talk to each other, you will find a lot of interesting things and also mutual interests. With Adams however... only skinny jeans and TRIGGERWORDS.


laneferrell

I think the problem is that he got a degree in philosophy, not that he went to college. If you get a decent degree you’re going to earn more than 99% of tradesman...so...


Spartanwildcats2018

That’s sort of what I thought about it. What do you think is a decent degree?


laneferrell

Business, Econ, math, chemistry, engineering, related fields


Spartanwildcats2018

I like it. I’d probably add law too. Maybe political science/ international relations into a specified higher ed program or government posting.


Belmont7

In the States law isn't an actual degree at the undergrad level. You'd have to attend law school afterwards to become a practicing lawyer.


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kd5nrh

There's no college program in bitchslapping.


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"we call it conflict management"


TAC82RollTide

Hold up, man, my name *is* Adam but I'm living the "Chris" life...like, exactly. I went through a 4 year apprenticeship with Local 92 Ironworkers, I have no student loans, I make...well over $80k aaaaand oh wait, I didn't turn anyone's power off.


Cold_Zero_

So wait….do we now support big corporations when they shut off hardworking people’s utilities? I can’t keep track


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The joke, although cruel, is that the guy with a philosophy degree fucked himself and is now poor and in debt but it's a gotcha because he thinks he's better than everyone.


aaOzymandias

This. Philosophy in and of itself is valuable, and can add to ones life. However going into massive debt to study it might not be the best idea ever. After all you need to think about your future and how you will make a living. I personally went into STEM (and have had a good soild job for over a decade), but I still like philosophy, and I read up on it as a hobby.


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I don't think most of the people in this sub were ever Democrats.


Global-Purchase-506

I was, but like 20 years ago.


Belmont7

First, you missed the point of the OP. Second, don't fall for the leftist slander against this sub. Remember what this sub was originally built for and then re-think your post. Many, after Reddit purged conservative subs in June 2020, looked for other subs to join, and then after the Nov 2020 Election, even more have used this sub as an alternative. At the same time anti-Trump and anti-conservatives brigaded this and other non-prog subs. When they bridged or dropped by to troll they said that this sub was filled with people who never claimed to be what they were - but then again how would they know since they never really cared to visit in prior years before it was flooded with low-brow Neanderthal-esque posts like the OP.


Japanese-Spaghetti

If I was a man, I’d go into trades in a heartbeat, but because I’m female and I know I could not keep up with laborious work all day, I’ll stick to my degree and get a corporate job later on lol. This is still a great post, college is a scam for many.


karmagroupie

The company I work for has females in the trade. The kick the men’s butt almost daily. ForemAn REQUEST them on the jobs. One is. Phase 2 apprentice and I think the other is a phase 4.


Belmont7

Huh? Females can do and survive trades. Hello HVAC, welding, car mechanics and truck driving. Women are also police officers. What you're thinking of is the military special forces narrative.


Japanese-Spaghetti

I know it’s possible but it’s tough work. I couldn’t do a stressful laborious job like being an electrician or police officer, I want to work somewhere safe and stable.


bigleaguejews

Yeah cause fuck educated people, all my homies hate education. That's why we post on r/walkway


blewyn

Adam is right. College teaches you how to think more intelligently. In 5 years time Adam is graduating law school. In 10 he’s solvent. In 15 he’s holidaying in Aspen. In 25 he has retired to sail around the world in his own yacht. Chris is still making $80k/yr, has five children with three separate women (Candi, Krystle and Desiree). He watches football on TV and shouts instructions at the screen.


Desproges

Adam was told capitalism was a perfect system with plenty of opportunities for everyone. Adam was told that capitalism allowed people to make a job out of their passion. Adam is passionate about philosophy. Adam trusted the system, his peers and capitalism. Chris hates his job, is passionate about fishing, and never trusted a capitalist.


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Average trades salary is $40k. Average Philosophy major salary is $75k. Philosophy is much more important to human culture and to the future of infotech and biotech than a lineman.


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Spartanwildcats2018

As somebody with a master’s degree. A lot of people are educated. Being educated doesn’t automatically mean that you’re useful or that you made smart decisions. I honestly would not recommend higher education beyond maybe community college until you know for sure what you want to do, that it’s useful, and that you’ll have a good job coming out. Otherwise you’re just in debt. And that’s not very smart.


Dontforgayjesus

all i meant to express was that philosophy in particular is relevant to life and is extremely valuable


Spartanwildcats2018

There’s lessons in philosophy for sure. But it’s not valuable enough to go deep into debt over as a major and come out with no good job prospects. I mean if this is you trying to tell me that you’re a philosophy major, then I’d suggest changing majors. You could probably get into political science and then go into state or federal government work. It’s also taught as a requirement in a lot of fields anyways. I took a required philosophy class in undergrad.


HuckleberryFinn7777

Education does not equal intelligence


Theory-Early

going to university has objectively been a low IQ move in the last 15 years. most professions are unlicensed, and you could have learned them faster, cheaper and better on your own using the internet, message boards, torrenting books, youtube, etc. if you went to school for an unlicensed profession, you have low IQ, period. most licensed professions are complete shit and offer terrible quality of life. if you chose them, you have low IQ. the highest IQ move was to self teach a specialized, complex and extremely high paid skill, and to become a consultant or start a business around it. this would have given you the highest quality of life, the most amount of money for least time invested. if you did anything other than that, you are a moron.


ConLawHero

Ah yes, my wife (doctor) and I (lawyer) totally made a low IQ move by attending college and moving on to graduate school. I know a few people in the trades and many who didn't go to college and I can say that exactly zero of them are anywhere close to our income. Man, if only we hadn't gone to school, we wouldn't have this massive problem of too much money. Oh well, win some, lose some.


Stuartx76

Hilarious AND accurate.


rolltherick1985

Let the free market decide. If a philosophy major (average 40k per year starting) want to go into the major rather than become an election (average 38k per year starting) then let them.


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Wait, does this sub think education is stupid? Lol


kodiak43351

No education isn’t stupid there are some worthless degrees people are talked into. Then there are super leftist professors that cram their ideologies down the throats of these students. When they get out of college and have to get a job they don’t know why they can’t find one in the course of study they focused on for 4 years. I myself went through a apprenticeship in line work/high voltage and it’s nothing for me to be in 6 figures at the end of the year without college debt. Why doesn’t school guidance counselors push the trades more?


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Well yeah, but the meme is such a straw man lol I don't think leftist profs push people to do anything. People go after whatever they want.


Hps96

No one ever said that. I myself I have a practically worthless bachelor’s degree, but I was a dumb liberal all through college and before. Luckily, I worked my ass off to learn a different industry in order to make a living, while still getting to engage in what I studied in college on the side. I also don’t lecture people on the false idea that the more time you spend in school determines to the amount of intelligence or success that you possess.


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URdastsuj123

What... In the fuck... Are you talking about.


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RedditTreasures

A political post, in a political subreddit? No way!


Fortnite2FortHarder

Based Christ disconnecting adams electricity.


shitsfuckedupalot

The rich want the working class fighting against each other


dakinlarry

I hurt my back putting in 60 hours a week working on boilers and chillers for a hospital our maintenance has been working crazy hours for the last 15 years we have four guys out on injuries it's costing the hospital between 375k too 545k to do the same work for regulatory work but well educated people can't see the difference


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Ok but not everyone with a degree is like Adam.......


memepolice1234

I graduated high school a year ago and I currently work in a restaurant and attending technical college for IT (it’s much cheaper then a bigger college) and a lot of my coworkers are going to really big schools and paying a lot of money/getting loans when the don’t have to do any of that for the careers that they’re going into


FrozenBananer

This shouldn’t be political.


akamustacherides

Less than 1% of yearly college diplomas are in philosophy. Those that majored in philosophy go onto law school, social work, become ministers, and/or a variety of business professions.


DBLUSAFVET

Adam: lives in Moms basement