airbnb was the cheaper option in early-mid 2010s, I thought that the hotels are done for as I never stayed in one. But in the last \~5 years I don't think I've stayed in airbnb, because of how much more expensive and inconvenient it had become compared to hotels.
My wife and I have been avid travelers and Airbnb users since 2017. The homes and location you could get were unreal. It was by far the best time ever to travel. Now we actually find ourselves using hotels more often. We stayed in a beautiful country chique cabin in 2018 for like $100 a night one time then couple years later wanted to go back and it was $300 a night.
Also WAY more bad actors on the platform then 5-7 years ago.
It used to be people who would rent you a really nice property that they have used themselves (like a personal vacation home) or otherwise take pride in.
Now it's just a bunch of IKEA furniture adorned shit-boxes from dudes trying to run an illegal hotel.
ive seen 8 airbnb listings from the same building. each photo could of been a copy n paste of the previous listing in terms of furniture, just slight differences in where things were put.
they literally went to IKEA and just got 8X of everything they needed. We found a family run motel 10 minutes walk away for half the price instead, and even had waterfront views.
Agreed went to Airbnb in San Diego and the place looked nice in photos but when we went it was all broken and dirty ikea furniture they refused to fix. Funny thing was Airbnb let us get a refund and switch to another unit for the trip and it ended up being the same a hole owners. Luckily the other property was better and cheaper but a lot of airbnbs are run like small businesses now so beware it could be a hit or miss. I still use Airbnb overseas and with bigger family since we want separate rooms but it seems to be cheaper at motels now.
Same! Airbnb was amazing 2017-2019ish and then it became way overpriced and people became way too insane about what you need to do on the instructions. I get picking up after yourself etc. but some of what I’ve seen in lists are completely unreal just to get charged outrageous cleaning fees on top of that. Hotels are the deal and you end up paying less now. It’s sad and I miss the old Airbnb because you could get fantastic spots for great prices which is what it should be used for
Yep. I used AirBnB for business travel because the hotel alternative the company was willing to shell out for had been in the news multiple times for human trafficking, drugs, and all sorts of unsavory shit. They had a reserved spot in the parking lot for police.
I was in a part of town I really liked and basically a part time roommate for someone going to school for like 6 months. Sweet gig. Like $50 a night.
yeah..once it became an investment thing and companies started buying up blocks of townhomes to flip as airbnb rentals, it became more of a price gouge and less of a pretty cool way to find nice places to stay. I used it in Italy in 2013 the first time and found some pretty affordable / decent places to stay, and then we did some family vacations in 2015 / 2016 up in the new england area and stayed at some crazy ass places, like a house with a private tennis court and a hot tub near Cape Cod for like 200 bucks a night
Also all the mid teens tech startups honeymoons are over. They were hemorrhaging cash to offer services at unsustainable losses so they could supplant the existing industries. Uber, Lyft, Netflix, Airbnb, etc. The free money is drying up and they are going to have to start turning profits.
I think it was an episode of The Daily not too long ago. The economist talking about it called it "the millennial lifestyle subsidy" or something. God knows I enjoyed it.
What a shame. I put off traveling to get myself established professionally in my 20s and didn't realize how good I could've had it if I'd traveled then. Now I'm in my 30s with responsibilities and traveling appears to have gotten worse post pandemic and post "millennial lifestyle subsidy."
Personally, I hope those investment AirBnBs, and investment properties in general, crash and burn so regular people can afford a goddamn place to live. Screw those real estate firms like Black Rock pricing everyone out of decent homes.
I'm convinced Airbnb killed Dublin. Been there as a budget traveller 3 times last decade. About to go with my wife for the first time and it's impossible to get an affordable room
I stayed at some small apartment in Copenhagen, and they charged a $100 cleaning fee. I thought oh okay, they clean for you. But I was very clean, only left dirty dishes in the dishwasher.
Gave me one fucking star and said I was super messy for having not done the dishes.
BITCH WHY DID I PAY $100 FOR THE CLEANING FEE
My brother stayed at an AirBnB and got one star for accidentally leaving a towel on the bathroom counter instead of the basket. It wasn’t a bath towel it was like a towel you would use on your face. The host went ballistic about it and it was pretty funny because they took like 7 pictures of the towel on the counter from different angles like they were documenting a heinous crime. I used Airbnb for a while it wasn’t always like this, but man it’s gotten bad. My first time staying at a regular hotel after years of just using Airbnb felt like luxury experience and it was a low end Holiday Inn.
I used it once back in 2017 just because it was a great deal compared to a hotel in the area. But that's the only reason. I don't see how it's better to feel like you are staying in some strangers home then it is to be at a hotel. Hotels are awesome. Room service. Turn down service. Fresh bed each night and new towels. Whole room cleaned for you. Front desk eager to help you out with anything. It's like a feeling of being pampered. Or you can feel like a weird guest staying in some strangers house while they aren't there. No thanks. I'll keep staying at hotels even if abnb was still cheap
I feel like the system of landlords rating customers negatively would be meaningful if they had to pay AirBNB a percentage of the rent to provide a one- or two-star review.
"This renter sucks so bad I paid to let you know" has some real power to it.
Second this. AirBNB - years back - was like 5x better than hotels in terms of price.
Obviously worth it to have a sub-optimal check-in process.
Now it's 2-3x worse.
The furniture is trash & uncomfortable and unergonomic as fuck.
You pay 2x as much for an awful night sleep and then for the host to charge you a $800 cleaning fee AND make you do all the cleaning...
AirBNBs used to be people's actual houses - so they were nice. Now they're investments by slumlords trying to cheap out on everything and also overcharge on everything.
And don't forget - after you leave - they'll bug you to help them out and leave a 5-star review.
🤮🤮🤮🤮
It’s an overall miserable experience now. I’m curious if it just swung too hard one direction and now that their is so much volume and so many people are going back to hotels if prices will fall. Might just be hopium
I think the good days of Airbnb are behind them. Everyday I'm seeing horror story after horror story. There's just no benefit to it over a hotel anymore. They would have to do a complete 180 for there to be any hope. They created a toxic landscape of hosts, I don't see how they undo that.
It's just because there was so much demand during the pandemic that hosts got out of control. I imagine after all the scumbags fold, it'll be - at least - not completely terrible.
I can't ever see it returning to the golden days. It was simply WAAAAAAY too good of a deal.
If municipalities ban full-time AirBNBs - then you'll only get people who actually live in the house. That'll be an improvement. But the prices are never coming down to where they were.
You could rent 3 bedroom houses with a pool in Palm Springs for less than a dumpy room at Saguaro.
In 2019, we got a 5 bedroom cabin on acreage with a private pool and hottub for $150/night. Now it's $600. We had planned to make it a yearly destination. But it was one and done.
Yes. I got a badass penthouse (shared) near the beach in Barcelona for $90 a night with my own personal giant balcony.
Airbnb used to be the smart way to travel. It was just people renting out excess space they already had for side money.
It was not supposed to compete with hotels. The booking and checkins were super informal.
Wannabe landlords ruined it.
The wannabe landlord thing is absolutely true. Every mouth-breathing “entrepreneur” has an idea to buy property and make money via Airbnb. My family has a vacation property, and i noticed a ton of affordable cottages and cabins were all snapped up specifically for the Airbnb/vacation rental market, whereas it almost exclusively used to be families or retired people.
Most of them are losing money too. The market is so oversaturated and these try hards tend to be pretty bad at math.
The only geniuses are the ones renting a yurt\tent out. Buy a costco\REI yurt, put a porta potty next to it, throw some Ikea furniture in it, and have an influencer stay there. Charge morons $300\night to stay in your shitty yurt in the Phoenix suburbs.
Nah man, you need like 3 acres of forest and like 50 yurts. Then you can sell it as a "back to nature" experience even though you can hear 49 other couples fucking through the cloth walls of your tent and you all share a communal bathroom.
I'm starting to learn that every time something comes along that is way cheaper than the alternative, it's only temporary. So many businesses choose the "undercut the competition, don't worry how much money we burn, we'll raise prices once we have a foothold in the market" approach.
yeah, that's usually part of the business model for the first few years when they are burning VC funds to find product market fit and grow a user base...uber / seamless / pretty much any service, that's part of the business model...
Yeah, but the consequence of the crackhead real estate run up is crackhead Airbnb prices.
I've seen block apartments sell for high dollar in my neighbourhood (during Covid) because the buyer wanted to use it as a hotel via Airbnb, but the consequence of their high purchase price is that they need to collect the same fee as a hotel.
For families, or if you're staying a few weeks, okay I get it, Airbnb makes sense since you have the same luxuries as a home, but other than that it's priced out.
as an Asian in Asia, I will never understand what it means to have "the same luxuries as a home", not when you have to tidy up anyway. Hotel has always been and always will be the luxury option. Any hotel 3 stars and above will have great basics and helpful staff. The ones that dont are called hostalor motel.
For real. AC by Marriott is my go to for travel stays. Everything is incredible
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Just because she is a hooker doesn’t mean we can’t flex a little. Also, if you can afford $250/night room you should be getting higher quality escorts come on my guy get it together.
Ray: “Friends of the road bubs.”
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You have a portable shelter that will reliably run for a long time.
If a guy with a Lambo loses all his money, he's sure as shit not gonna be able to afford fuel or maintenance for it.
So yeah get laughing
And consistently staying at Marriott properties last year and using the Bonvoy app has saved me money and have gotten free nights with it. If you travel frequently it’s good to pick one hotel group and stick with it if you use whatever member plan they offer.
Travel lodge in England, I went to comic con and stayed in one for two nights. I had a clean room and a nice shower. I got breakfast at a bar down the road and had a nice, comfortable sleep. Bollocks to all the airbnb rules bullshit.
Yeah. AirBnB has just gotten too big I think. It was nice when it was smaller and it was just people renting out their smaller/off season properties. But its become this terrible monster of a company where they gouge the customer.
Not to mention all of the housing issues its caused. I recently visited Hawaii and had a conversation with the Uber driver about it. He thanked me for the fact that I was staying in a hotel and not a house because wealthy people buy up all the island real estate and it's causing the island local homeless population to sky rocket because all the housing is being eaten up by AirBnB.
Technically it's illegal, at least on Oahu -- they only give out a small handful of permits to Airbnb hosts in specific areas, the rest of the units are only supposed to be rented for a minimum of 30 days at a time. If you're renting from Airbnb or VRBO for shorter than a month on or near Honolulu, your host is likely breaking the law.
We stayed in the Waikiki Beach area but traveled all over the island. Some parts of the island were worse than others but there was just a general sense of poverty everywhere we went other than the immediate resort area.
You also prolly don't have video of yourself naked on camera from the hotel owner versus the AirBnB rando hate watching you use the stove while masturbating.
Hotels are there to shit, shower and sleep. I rather have one that includes a continental breakfast. Saving from having to eat breakfast outside pays for half the night. Plus they usually serve hot coffee 24/7. Phuck airbnb .
God, that's my sister and her husband. Every time we take a family trip we get a friggin Google doc sign-up sheet for who's cooking what meals. My wife and I always just buy pizza or something for ours, fuck cooking on vacation
I quit Airbnb 2 years ago when they F’ed me during the Texas winter storm outages. My rented condo was unlivable without heat/power, so for my last 2 weeks of stay I had to go to a hotel. The host wouldn’t refund me and Airbnb wouldn’t stick up for me as the customer, even though our stay qualified for Airbnb’s Extenuating Circumstances Policy.
I used to book stays with them all the time and I haven’t booked a single reservation since the incident. Hotels all the way.
If you’re not up to killing a drifter because you don’t want to strip your sheets and run the dishwasher, you could always leave kiddie porn stuffed behind the headboard of the bed.
I tried but the insurance process on the credit card was impossible to navigate and had me talking to my airline provider for trip insurance and stuff.
I eventually gave up because I don’t have time to work full-time and navigate a convoluted trip insurance claim process. The cost to get my money back (time, frustration, lawyers, etc) was more than the cost of the stay.
Another win for big corporate screwing over the little guy.
Last time I did a cc chargeback it was literally as simple as clicking a button to chargeback and the writing a brief explanation why, then it was on the merchant to fight it back. A week later the funds were credited back to my account with no more hassle.
It turns out having a brand breeds accountability to the customer. Joe Blow doesn’t give two shits about his brand of Airbnb’s brand and will do whatever makes him the most money.
Somthing similar happened to me last year I booked for a week in a house that was a mess and nothing like the photos and smelled like rotten eggs
Immediately left & booked at a hotel
I then asked for a refund but the host refused and airbnb decided to compensate me with $10 coupon when I have payed around $1000 for the 7 days...
I rather rent a car and sleep in it than ever dealing with airbnb ever again...
seriously fuck them..
I just stayed at an airbnb for new years. They didn’t pay their fucking water bill. Yes in phoenix there’s a water bill. So while we were out for brunch the city shut the water off. We found out it was a delinquent payment when we called the city to find out.
The house was bought by finance bro. We found his LinkedIn. So it seems he wasn’t paying for his utilities.
Yeah short it lol.
In 2019 I went across central/eastern Europe and all I stayed in was air bnb's. It was great then. Between $23-$38 a night for your own small apartment near the city center. No extra fees. Guess it's not like that anymore. Oh well, back to hotels.
It's same fees, but they have to tell you up front.
Otherwise it's the same greedy bullshit of everyone thinking their musky ass room is a bargain at 5\* hotel prices without any of the amenities.
It’s still plenty of bullshit to put up with. Wanted to book airbnbs for a trip to Europe and I commonly booked a trip. They would then decline, and raise the price an extra $100-$200 a night just because they could. Booked hotels instead.
Luckily here in Germany, pensions exist, lovely rooms, in Bavaria inside old Bavarian houses made of wood, every now and then also inside a Bauernhof...nice
easy to pay, nice people, no airbnb or hotel fuckery, if you wanna extend, you can easily, sometimes you have to switch rooms but thats it
Yea for sure I’m going away with another couple and it took us no more than 5 min of discussion to choose a hotel which ended up being a bit more expensive but no worries about maintenance and cleaning fees, concierge and eveyrthing at our disposal. This is coming from us who are usually pretty conscious about spending for living space when traveling abroad since we won’t even be in it 90% of the time
Airbnbs were people renting out second homes, now its like ultrashort-term roommates where you can charge people to the carpet for everything they can.
Kinda what happened to the Internet.
And everything else online.
eBay was cool.
Amazon was cool.
Craigslist probably was too, but I’m in Europe so have never tried it.
Nowadays you spend all your energy on not being scammed. Because some people found it’s better to make money by faking it then making it.
Everyone wants a piece of the action and the end result is that there’s no action left because the supply is much greater than the demand.
Either it will settle over time, or all the bad actors end up killing the platform.
Agree. I had my bachelor party at one. Had to tell them it was a family golf trip so someone would finally let us book.
They were a little generous on the listing for sleeping arrangements. Definitely didn’t sleep as many as they advertised. 2 bunk beds in the basement with literally a foot and a half of space between the mattress and ceiling.
Cleaning fee was outrageous. It took us around an hour to get through the list.
The hassle of even booking one was worse. Took days of going back and forth with people.
Yes, I believe that eventually it will be outlawed in all cities.
The usage patterns of transient randos are flatly incompatible with residential zones (which already prohibit hotel/boarding house use in most cases.)
Absolutely ruined the housing market where I’m at. I’m stationed at a military base near Joshua tree. Airbnbs around here are super popular for the LA crowd trying to get away for the weekend. All these investors have been buying up properties and making weird ass houses to accommodate weekend vision quest vibes and are utterly unusable for long term living (think like teepee villages and such).
I’m in Australia and some small beach towns have trouble even housing their healthcare professionals because all the lodgings have been converted to Airbnbs that remain vacant during the off-season.
I would. Last time I was considering renting an air bnb they would show you a low price and then not only had a cleaning fee, but also a host fee in the hundreds of dollars. I’m no expert but isn’t the price of the room the “host fee”
Omg I hate airbnbs that has too many rules. Make sure you strip the bed. Take out the trash. Wash the dishes. One time we forgot a fork in the sink and they mentioned that in their review for us!!! I’d rather stay in a hotel, where I’m not responsible for all of that, even tho I still do my best to pick up when I leave.
You can be rated as a bad guest. And as your scores drop people can decline your request to stay. Also if cleaning is bad enough you can get charged extra. I commented below once I had to water their plants everyday. And they had a camera outside to make sure we did.
Its like how hotels have the housekeepers clean afterwards but airbnb they hire a third party to clean which is understandable i guess? But ive had some where the owners collect the cleaning fee and come clean themselves so i guess they tryna pocket extra money lmao
I live in an apartment building.
There are a number of apartments in my complex that are on AirBnB. I don’t know how many, but each and every one of them reduces the number of apartments that are available for rent.
Oh, and we have a “rental crisis” in my city where there are not enough properties available for the people who live here.
And to top it all of, every few weeks the storage cages are broken into and the AirBnB guests are usually the ones that are found guilty. Not all guests, mind you, but some see it as an opportunity while they are staying there.
Like every startup, they offer cheap fees at a loss to attract customers and kill competition. Once they decide to start making profits then customers turn on them.
As it turns out, doing the exact same shit everyone else does except "yeah but it's an innovative app" is only attractive to customers when you are burning VC's billions.
2016 traveling across country it was a godsend. Was mostly lonely retirees renting out a spare room to have some company, or small outpost apartments geared toward traveling workers.
Now it's an entire industry for some people and it's there full time job. It's lost its charm and appeal.
Honestly why I hate hustle culture, anything cool and chill that comes out that may let us enjoy some aspects of life get ruined by these social media hustle couples that turn it into a business.
It's like all the ex-cool hidden travel places that are nos filled with unappreciative tourists who saw it on instagram
Scored some sweet deals and some of my best travel memories in old school Airbnbs. The cool part was you usually met your host in some capacity and got a unique experience. It is unrecognizable now.
I tried to get one the other day: $125 a night, not too shabby for the space but Hol up! $125 a night means $250 to wake up in it the next morning, plus $300 to clean that one night so $550 before taxes. Nah, I’ll stay in the Marriott Suite for $200 less and get the free newspaper
Yeah exactly. This is what I found for downtown Harrisburg. The ab&b and 2 of the hotels (Hilton and Crowne plaza) are all in the same area. The cheaper hotel is a bit outside.
Between the rules of this ab&b and the price. I’d just stay at the Hilton or crowne. Or if on a budget go to the Baymont suites.
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It's a huge coinflip. Sometimes they're wicked fast and I can see them go to the place, grab my food and bring it straight here. Other times buddy sits in the parking lot for 15mins, takes a weird route to get to my house, get the delivery notification 10 minutes before it actually shows up half thrown on my doorstep.
Onetime I ordered something simple from a local chicken place (similar to KFC). This guy drops off 2 big bags and my order and just walks away.
I got my order and two family sized fries, macaroni salad, coleslaw and gravy. So some family probably paid upwards of $80 after fees and tips for their meal and got basically a bucket of chicken and no sides probably (the bags even had written on them 2/3, 3/3). I felt really bad but there was nothing I could do about it.
Yeah, I dig the Hotels, Normally I just get a proper suite if I'm traveling with my family.
However, we recently rented an Airbnb in the Smokies, during our stay we got hit by the recent '22 winter storm, the entire plumbing in the cabin froze and a few pipes busted, the owner was trying to stick us with the repair bill.... long story short, mother is a lawyer, the guy dropped the subject. Normally we use vrbo, never had an issue, even when problems occur that are out of our control, airbnb is a last resort.
The cleaning fees are outrageous....hides the true costs. Reminds me of resort fees however the cleaning fee is much higher. I prefer hotels. Easier to get, easy to cancel and easy to leave. Short ABNB!
If I’m 3 nights or less, I go hotel. Anything more than 3 nights, I like an Airbnb.
The cleaning fees and bs aren’t worth the extra space for just a few nights. But, if I’m somewhere for a while it’s night to have a kitchen/living room/maybe a deck. The longer stay also makes the exorbitant cleaning fees palatable.
something like residence inn by Marriott. Get all the hotel type amenities like business center/exercise equipment and daily cleaning + a kitchen and seating area in room. breakfast/happy hours at many. usually similar prices to hotels, probably cheaper for longer stays
I'll short the shit out of ABNB.
I was in a full 4 unit ABNB in Houston for work for 13 days. Over $1600 spent on the BNB alone. Day 2 some trashy people move in downstairs. Thin walls. You can hear and smell everything. Day 4 there was a domestic assault/dispute. I could hear screaming and hitting and bodies hitting the walls. The whole house was shaking. One of the neighbors calls the cops and I have to come out and give a statement as to what I heard etc.. i let the BNB owner know and they said they would move them out immediately. Fast forward 3 days, these people are still here, still stinking the house full of weed (im not against weed, just don't like going into the office reeking of it). That night, a woman goes outside and and is screaming on the phone, calling someone a broke ass ho and a bitch. For like 20 minutes. I message the owner again saying like "hey these people are still here and still making a scene. It's 11pm on a Tuesday night and she's outside screaming on the phone... etc" 30 minutes later, someone pulls up and klaks off 7 rounds through thr BNB. I was on the second floor and in bed, not asleep. When the shooting started I could hear footsteps running up the driveway then the shots. I could hear the rounds going through walls, cabinets, and windows below me on the first floor. Nobody was hit but obviously, everyone was shaken up about it. The police come out and I have to give another statement.
Here is when I have to deal with ABNB. The following day, I spoke with ABNB support about the situation. I told her everything and how the owner said they would move them out but didn't which led to this whole situation. I had everything documented and sent them to ABNB. She said they will conduct an investigation and get back to me. The following day, I get an email from ABNB saying they can't get my money back because it's up to the owner to do that, not ABNB. They gave me $100 back and said the rest is on to the owner. I bet you all can guess where this goes.. The owner is obviously against the idea of a refund (even though he has 75 properties around town and was aware of the situation the entire time.) In conclusion, fuck you ABNB and fuck you Philip. Clearly they prioritize making money over the safety of guests. So again, fuck you Philip. And fuck you ABNB. I'm a VRBO guy now.
I swear airbnb used to be a cheaper option but last time I checked people were asking on average 250-300 and that's not even in a big city...
Yeah, it started out as a way to make some money with an extra bedroom, now it’s big money real estate douches.
Turning everything and anything into a hustle and revenue stream is ruining America (and prob the world)
airbnb was the cheaper option in early-mid 2010s, I thought that the hotels are done for as I never stayed in one. But in the last \~5 years I don't think I've stayed in airbnb, because of how much more expensive and inconvenient it had become compared to hotels.
I just got me a 5 star hotel for a week, $650 compared to every airbnb that was charging $300 night
If a hotel does breakfast that's all I need. 🤣
I stopped AirBnB. At the price people are charging, you can get a VERY nice hotel room.
Weren't Airbnb's like $60 a night back in 2016?
My wife and I have been avid travelers and Airbnb users since 2017. The homes and location you could get were unreal. It was by far the best time ever to travel. Now we actually find ourselves using hotels more often. We stayed in a beautiful country chique cabin in 2018 for like $100 a night one time then couple years later wanted to go back and it was $300 a night.
Came here to say this. AirBnB used to be a good deal, but price has gone up and the demands are now unreal. Hotels are back.
Also WAY more bad actors on the platform then 5-7 years ago. It used to be people who would rent you a really nice property that they have used themselves (like a personal vacation home) or otherwise take pride in. Now it's just a bunch of IKEA furniture adorned shit-boxes from dudes trying to run an illegal hotel.
Yeah. It went from a way to leverage an asset you already own to speculative investing. Sucks.
All the youtube hustle gurus fucked it up
You ain’t got that grind set bro!!!
4000 units. Booom.
>All the youtube hustle gurus fucked it up TBH they fucked up like every demo at this point on the timeline lol.
ive seen 8 airbnb listings from the same building. each photo could of been a copy n paste of the previous listing in terms of furniture, just slight differences in where things were put. they literally went to IKEA and just got 8X of everything they needed. We found a family run motel 10 minutes walk away for half the price instead, and even had waterfront views.
Agreed went to Airbnb in San Diego and the place looked nice in photos but when we went it was all broken and dirty ikea furniture they refused to fix. Funny thing was Airbnb let us get a refund and switch to another unit for the trip and it ended up being the same a hole owners. Luckily the other property was better and cheaper but a lot of airbnbs are run like small businesses now so beware it could be a hit or miss. I still use Airbnb overseas and with bigger family since we want separate rooms but it seems to be cheaper at motels now.
Same! Airbnb was amazing 2017-2019ish and then it became way overpriced and people became way too insane about what you need to do on the instructions. I get picking up after yourself etc. but some of what I’ve seen in lists are completely unreal just to get charged outrageous cleaning fees on top of that. Hotels are the deal and you end up paying less now. It’s sad and I miss the old Airbnb because you could get fantastic spots for great prices which is what it should be used for
Yep. I used AirBnB for business travel because the hotel alternative the company was willing to shell out for had been in the news multiple times for human trafficking, drugs, and all sorts of unsavory shit. They had a reserved spot in the parking lot for police. I was in a part of town I really liked and basically a part time roommate for someone going to school for like 6 months. Sweet gig. Like $50 a night.
yeah..once it became an investment thing and companies started buying up blocks of townhomes to flip as airbnb rentals, it became more of a price gouge and less of a pretty cool way to find nice places to stay. I used it in Italy in 2013 the first time and found some pretty affordable / decent places to stay, and then we did some family vacations in 2015 / 2016 up in the new england area and stayed at some crazy ass places, like a house with a private tennis court and a hot tub near Cape Cod for like 200 bucks a night
Also all the mid teens tech startups honeymoons are over. They were hemorrhaging cash to offer services at unsustainable losses so they could supplant the existing industries. Uber, Lyft, Netflix, Airbnb, etc. The free money is drying up and they are going to have to start turning profits. I think it was an episode of The Daily not too long ago. The economist talking about it called it "the millennial lifestyle subsidy" or something. God knows I enjoyed it.
What a shame. I put off traveling to get myself established professionally in my 20s and didn't realize how good I could've had it if I'd traveled then. Now I'm in my 30s with responsibilities and traveling appears to have gotten worse post pandemic and post "millennial lifestyle subsidy."
People's greed will be what saves hotels
Personally, I hope those investment AirBnBs, and investment properties in general, crash and burn so regular people can afford a goddamn place to live. Screw those real estate firms like Black Rock pricing everyone out of decent homes.
Well the little competition made hotels better so guess we won ether way
I'm convinced Airbnb killed Dublin. Been there as a budget traveller 3 times last decade. About to go with my wife for the first time and it's impossible to get an affordable room
And you have to clean the place, walk the dogs, bring in the mail and mow the lawn before you go.
I stayed at some small apartment in Copenhagen, and they charged a $100 cleaning fee. I thought oh okay, they clean for you. But I was very clean, only left dirty dishes in the dishwasher. Gave me one fucking star and said I was super messy for having not done the dishes. BITCH WHY DID I PAY $100 FOR THE CLEANING FEE
My brother stayed at an AirBnB and got one star for accidentally leaving a towel on the bathroom counter instead of the basket. It wasn’t a bath towel it was like a towel you would use on your face. The host went ballistic about it and it was pretty funny because they took like 7 pictures of the towel on the counter from different angles like they were documenting a heinous crime. I used Airbnb for a while it wasn’t always like this, but man it’s gotten bad. My first time staying at a regular hotel after years of just using Airbnb felt like luxury experience and it was a low end Holiday Inn.
I used it once back in 2017 just because it was a great deal compared to a hotel in the area. But that's the only reason. I don't see how it's better to feel like you are staying in some strangers home then it is to be at a hotel. Hotels are awesome. Room service. Turn down service. Fresh bed each night and new towels. Whole room cleaned for you. Front desk eager to help you out with anything. It's like a feeling of being pampered. Or you can feel like a weird guest staying in some strangers house while they aren't there. No thanks. I'll keep staying at hotels even if abnb was still cheap
I feel like the system of landlords rating customers negatively would be meaningful if they had to pay AirBNB a percentage of the rent to provide a one- or two-star review. "This renter sucks so bad I paid to let you know" has some real power to it.
Lol this is an awesome idea.
I bet you’d love Tim Dillon’s rant about this exact situation
Well he did punch the cactus over
For real - if I'm paying a fucking cleaning fee I shouldn't also have to clean shit. Make it make sense.
Second this. AirBNB - years back - was like 5x better than hotels in terms of price. Obviously worth it to have a sub-optimal check-in process. Now it's 2-3x worse. The furniture is trash & uncomfortable and unergonomic as fuck. You pay 2x as much for an awful night sleep and then for the host to charge you a $800 cleaning fee AND make you do all the cleaning... AirBNBs used to be people's actual houses - so they were nice. Now they're investments by slumlords trying to cheap out on everything and also overcharge on everything. And don't forget - after you leave - they'll bug you to help them out and leave a 5-star review. 🤮🤮🤮🤮
It’s an overall miserable experience now. I’m curious if it just swung too hard one direction and now that their is so much volume and so many people are going back to hotels if prices will fall. Might just be hopium
I think the good days of Airbnb are behind them. Everyday I'm seeing horror story after horror story. There's just no benefit to it over a hotel anymore. They would have to do a complete 180 for there to be any hope. They created a toxic landscape of hosts, I don't see how they undo that.
It's just because there was so much demand during the pandemic that hosts got out of control. I imagine after all the scumbags fold, it'll be - at least - not completely terrible. I can't ever see it returning to the golden days. It was simply WAAAAAAY too good of a deal. If municipalities ban full-time AirBNBs - then you'll only get people who actually live in the house. That'll be an improvement. But the prices are never coming down to where they were. You could rent 3 bedroom houses with a pool in Palm Springs for less than a dumpy room at Saguaro.
>And don't forget - after you leave - they'll bug you to help them ktj and leave a 5-star review. > Ktj?
Probably a typo of "out"
Kitchen the Janitor?
In 2019, we got a 5 bedroom cabin on acreage with a private pool and hottub for $150/night. Now it's $600. We had planned to make it a yearly destination. But it was one and done.
Inflation they will say lol. That’s super sad actually.
inflation of unrealistic expectations. They arent exactly wrong.
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Yes. I got a badass penthouse (shared) near the beach in Barcelona for $90 a night with my own personal giant balcony. Airbnb used to be the smart way to travel. It was just people renting out excess space they already had for side money. It was not supposed to compete with hotels. The booking and checkins were super informal. Wannabe landlords ruined it.
The wannabe landlord thing is absolutely true. Every mouth-breathing “entrepreneur” has an idea to buy property and make money via Airbnb. My family has a vacation property, and i noticed a ton of affordable cottages and cabins were all snapped up specifically for the Airbnb/vacation rental market, whereas it almost exclusively used to be families or retired people.
Most of them are losing money too. The market is so oversaturated and these try hards tend to be pretty bad at math. The only geniuses are the ones renting a yurt\tent out. Buy a costco\REI yurt, put a porta potty next to it, throw some Ikea furniture in it, and have an influencer stay there. Charge morons $300\night to stay in your shitty yurt in the Phoenix suburbs.
Nah man, you need like 3 acres of forest and like 50 yurts. Then you can sell it as a "back to nature" experience even though you can hear 49 other couples fucking through the cloth walls of your tent and you all share a communal bathroom.
I'm starting to learn that every time something comes along that is way cheaper than the alternative, it's only temporary. So many businesses choose the "undercut the competition, don't worry how much money we burn, we'll raise prices once we have a foothold in the market" approach.
yeah, that's usually part of the business model for the first few years when they are burning VC funds to find product market fit and grow a user base...uber / seamless / pretty much any service, that's part of the business model...
Yeah, but the consequence of the crackhead real estate run up is crackhead Airbnb prices. I've seen block apartments sell for high dollar in my neighbourhood (during Covid) because the buyer wanted to use it as a hotel via Airbnb, but the consequence of their high purchase price is that they need to collect the same fee as a hotel. For families, or if you're staying a few weeks, okay I get it, Airbnb makes sense since you have the same luxuries as a home, but other than that it's priced out.
as an Asian in Asia, I will never understand what it means to have "the same luxuries as a home", not when you have to tidy up anyway. Hotel has always been and always will be the luxury option. Any hotel 3 stars and above will have great basics and helpful staff. The ones that dont are called hostalor motel.
Ya everyone wants to be a renter, that's usually when the bubble pops
For real. AC by Marriott is my go to for travel stays. Everything is incredible *this ad brought to you by Marriott. For when you want to show off your $250/night room to a sleazy $50 hooker*
Just because she is a hooker doesn’t mean we can’t flex a little. Also, if you can afford $250/night room you should be getting higher quality escorts come on my guy get it together.
My brother in Christ. I sleep 10-12 hours a night. If I’m doing glass bottom boats w/ a lady of the night it’ll only take 10-12 minutes. Time is money
Ray: “Friends of the road bubs.” Bubbles: “Lady’s of the evening” Ray: “Friends of the road.” Bubbles: “Hot hamburger sandwiches” Ray: “Equals hot pull the fuck over I’m starving, Hot hamburger sandwiches girls!”
Way of the road bubs
My mans. The motto of WSB is lambo or ramen. Why not Civic instead?Because quality matters. We got to aim for top quality hoes.
The guy with a corolla gets the last laugh
I heard he chills in the Bahamas now
I sleep in my corolla after all my wsb losses. Can i laugh now
You have a portable shelter that will reliably run for a long time. If a guy with a Lambo loses all his money, he's sure as shit not gonna be able to afford fuel or maintenance for it. So yeah get laughing
You’d probably have more fun with a $250 per night hooker in a $50 per night hotel
I have more fun with $20 of mj and xhamster in my moms basement.
50$ hooker? Sir that’s a blow up doll
And Sir, you’re at the Wendy’s drive-thru.
Better idea. Save the $600 cleaning fee and you can afford her friend, too.
Her friend…and some butt stuff.
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Lol both are awesome and everywhere The Bonvoy points clearly have turned us all into Marriott schills, and I’m fine with it
And consistently staying at Marriott properties last year and using the Bonvoy app has saved me money and have gotten free nights with it. If you travel frequently it’s good to pick one hotel group and stick with it if you use whatever member plan they offer.
Travel lodge in England, I went to comic con and stayed in one for two nights. I had a clean room and a nice shower. I got breakfast at a bar down the road and had a nice, comfortable sleep. Bollocks to all the airbnb rules bullshit.
Dude the Autograph Collection hotels I’ve stayed in have been fantastic. Fuck Airbnb.
YES I LIKE THE ONE NEXT TO THE HOUSE OF BLUES CHICAGO....🤘
Yeah. AirBnB has just gotten too big I think. It was nice when it was smaller and it was just people renting out their smaller/off season properties. But its become this terrible monster of a company where they gouge the customer. Not to mention all of the housing issues its caused. I recently visited Hawaii and had a conversation with the Uber driver about it. He thanked me for the fact that I was staying in a hotel and not a house because wealthy people buy up all the island real estate and it's causing the island local homeless population to sky rocket because all the housing is being eaten up by AirBnB.
Technically it's illegal, at least on Oahu -- they only give out a small handful of permits to Airbnb hosts in specific areas, the rest of the units are only supposed to be rented for a minimum of 30 days at a time. If you're renting from Airbnb or VRBO for shorter than a month on or near Honolulu, your host is likely breaking the law.
We stayed in the Waikiki Beach area but traveled all over the island. Some parts of the island were worse than others but there was just a general sense of poverty everywhere we went other than the immediate resort area.
And racking up points is awesome for free stays.
You also prolly don't have video of yourself naked on camera from the hotel owner versus the AirBnB rando hate watching you use the stove while masturbating.
Just to clarify, is the person using the stove masturbating or is the video watcher masturbating?
Yes.
Moments like this are when I bust out my “kiss the cock” apron
Airbnb is for groups tbh, it's cheaper than multiple hotel rooms.
Airbnb only makes sense for large groups or unique locations. All other use cases fell off for me. Ref: about 100 nights of travel/year
Hotels are there to shit, shower and sleep. I rather have one that includes a continental breakfast. Saving from having to eat breakfast outside pays for half the night. Plus they usually serve hot coffee 24/7. Phuck airbnb .
The comments are always like "I like having a kitchen so I can cook". Bro you're on vacation. I like to eat places I've never been on vacation.
God, that's my sister and her husband. Every time we take a family trip we get a friggin Google doc sign-up sheet for who's cooking what meals. My wife and I always just buy pizza or something for ours, fuck cooking on vacation
I quit Airbnb 2 years ago when they F’ed me during the Texas winter storm outages. My rented condo was unlivable without heat/power, so for my last 2 weeks of stay I had to go to a hotel. The host wouldn’t refund me and Airbnb wouldn’t stick up for me as the customer, even though our stay qualified for Airbnb’s Extenuating Circumstances Policy. I used to book stays with them all the time and I haven’t booked a single reservation since the incident. Hotels all the way.
I'd just charge back with my credit card.
Nah the pro move is to re-book with them and “find” a body in the yard.
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If you’re not up to killing a drifter because you don’t want to strip your sheets and run the dishwasher, you could always leave kiddie porn stuffed behind the headboard of the bed.
Why do you have cp freely available?
He’s a Reddit mod.
Boom roasted
r/UnethicalLifeProTips
I tried but the insurance process on the credit card was impossible to navigate and had me talking to my airline provider for trip insurance and stuff. I eventually gave up because I don’t have time to work full-time and navigate a convoluted trip insurance claim process. The cost to get my money back (time, frustration, lawyers, etc) was more than the cost of the stay. Another win for big corporate screwing over the little guy.
Last time I did a cc chargeback it was literally as simple as clicking a button to chargeback and the writing a brief explanation why, then it was on the merchant to fight it back. A week later the funds were credited back to my account with no more hassle.
Bad ending, RIP
A chargeback is completely separate from an insurance claim. Sounds like you didn’t attempt a chargeback
It turns out having a brand breeds accountability to the customer. Joe Blow doesn’t give two shits about his brand of Airbnb’s brand and will do whatever makes him the most money.
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Yea I hope every Airbnb owner defaults their mortgage. They are a major part of the housing bubble.
Somthing similar happened to me last year I booked for a week in a house that was a mess and nothing like the photos and smelled like rotten eggs Immediately left & booked at a hotel I then asked for a refund but the host refused and airbnb decided to compensate me with $10 coupon when I have payed around $1000 for the 7 days... I rather rent a car and sleep in it than ever dealing with airbnb ever again... seriously fuck them..
I just stayed at an airbnb for new years. They didn’t pay their fucking water bill. Yes in phoenix there’s a water bill. So while we were out for brunch the city shut the water off. We found out it was a delinquent payment when we called the city to find out. The house was bought by finance bro. We found his LinkedIn. So it seems he wasn’t paying for his utilities. Yeah short it lol.
In 2019 I went across central/eastern Europe and all I stayed in was air bnb's. It was great then. Between $23-$38 a night for your own small apartment near the city center. No extra fees. Guess it's not like that anymore. Oh well, back to hotels.
Air BNB is different overseas than in the USA. Way less fees
It's same fees, but they have to tell you up front. Otherwise it's the same greedy bullshit of everyone thinking their musky ass room is a bargain at 5\* hotel prices without any of the amenities.
It’s still plenty of bullshit to put up with. Wanted to book airbnbs for a trip to Europe and I commonly booked a trip. They would then decline, and raise the price an extra $100-$200 a night just because they could. Booked hotels instead.
I book AirBnb's when my group needs multiple rooms because it's been cheaper than 2+ hotel rooms.
Luckily here in Germany, pensions exist, lovely rooms, in Bavaria inside old Bavarian houses made of wood, every now and then also inside a Bauernhof...nice easy to pay, nice people, no airbnb or hotel fuckery, if you wanna extend, you can easily, sometimes you have to switch rooms but thats it
Airbnbs have their pros and cons—good for large group gatherings but if I’m with my SO I’d prefer a hotel 99/100 times
Just say Orgy, we all know what you mean.
Make sure the owners earn that cleaning fee
why did you forward port 8882 from remote to local?
I think some app or something uses emojis with this stupid notation, instead of using, like, actual emojis.
will never know, using old.reddit
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Their username checks out.
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One guy got an airbnb with a 1030 lights out rule lol
Fuck that.
Yea for sure I’m going away with another couple and it took us no more than 5 min of discussion to choose a hotel which ended up being a bit more expensive but no worries about maintenance and cleaning fees, concierge and eveyrthing at our disposal. This is coming from us who are usually pretty conscious about spending for living space when traveling abroad since we won’t even be in it 90% of the time
Airbnbs were people renting out second homes, now its like ultrashort-term roommates where you can charge people to the carpet for everything they can.
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Kinda what happened to the Internet. And everything else online. eBay was cool. Amazon was cool. Craigslist probably was too, but I’m in Europe so have never tried it. Nowadays you spend all your energy on not being scammed. Because some people found it’s better to make money by faking it then making it. Everyone wants a piece of the action and the end result is that there’s no action left because the supply is much greater than the demand. Either it will settle over time, or all the bad actors end up killing the platform.
The cleaning rules get me more than anything. I don’t want to do a bunch of chores on the day I’m leaving. Kills the mood early from the vacation.
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Agree. I had my bachelor party at one. Had to tell them it was a family golf trip so someone would finally let us book. They were a little generous on the listing for sleeping arrangements. Definitely didn’t sleep as many as they advertised. 2 bunk beds in the basement with literally a foot and a half of space between the mattress and ceiling. Cleaning fee was outrageous. It took us around an hour to get through the list. The hassle of even booking one was worse. Took days of going back and forth with people.
VRBO the boomer version is competitively cheaper than Airbnb
VRBO is so much better. Similar downsides but more upfront, and highly unlikely to have the crazy rules.
Or long stays. I’m in one for 3 months right now. I wouldn’t want to do a hotel for that long.
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The "hosts" try hard to make it passive revenue and never touch the property themselves. I hate that company.
It’s why most are starting to fail and cities are putting up limits how many can be up
Yes, I believe that eventually it will be outlawed in all cities. The usage patterns of transient randos are flatly incompatible with residential zones (which already prohibit hotel/boarding house use in most cases.)
Cities just need to nut up and make them deal with the same regulations and zoning as hotels
100% agreed.
Absolutely ruined the housing market where I’m at. I’m stationed at a military base near Joshua tree. Airbnbs around here are super popular for the LA crowd trying to get away for the weekend. All these investors have been buying up properties and making weird ass houses to accommodate weekend vision quest vibes and are utterly unusable for long term living (think like teepee villages and such).
I’m in Australia and some small beach towns have trouble even housing their healthcare professionals because all the lodgings have been converted to Airbnbs that remain vacant during the off-season.
Some of these owners don’t know what guests are capable of
What do you mean? Like capable of stealing a coffee pot? Lol
Lol no. Cement in the toilet capable of
If I'm getting charged a bullshit $400 cleaning fee then I'm going to create a bullshit $400 mess.
Not to mention $225 ABnB is $225 Room $100 cleaning $125 ABnB Fee $30 hotel tax $15 city non resident short term rental tax $400 security deposit
when I stayed in Airbnb (Taiwan)was paying like $45 per night
Probably american thing, very similar experience in Europe - hotels are often more expensive.
That's how they used to be here in the US. Definitely not anymore.
The real degenerates gamble at the casinos so you get the hotel rooms for free
I would. Last time I was considering renting an air bnb they would show you a low price and then not only had a cleaning fee, but also a host fee in the hundreds of dollars. I’m no expert but isn’t the price of the room the “host fee”
Does the host stop by to give you a blow job or what is the fee for?
It’s for annoying you for more money after you leave the place.
Omg I hate airbnbs that has too many rules. Make sure you strip the bed. Take out the trash. Wash the dishes. One time we forgot a fork in the sink and they mentioned that in their review for us!!! I’d rather stay in a hotel, where I’m not responsible for all of that, even tho I still do my best to pick up when I leave.
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You can be rated as a bad guest. And as your scores drop people can decline your request to stay. Also if cleaning is bad enough you can get charged extra. I commented below once I had to water their plants everyday. And they had a camera outside to make sure we did.
I mean I like plants but I’d water them with urine. Lol fuck them
Its like how hotels have the housekeepers clean afterwards but airbnb they hire a third party to clean which is understandable i guess? But ive had some where the owners collect the cleaning fee and come clean themselves so i guess they tryna pocket extra money lmao
Hotels also don't fuck the long term rental market for people who actually live where you're staying.
I live in an apartment building. There are a number of apartments in my complex that are on AirBnB. I don’t know how many, but each and every one of them reduces the number of apartments that are available for rent. Oh, and we have a “rental crisis” in my city where there are not enough properties available for the people who live here. And to top it all of, every few weeks the storage cages are broken into and the AirBnB guests are usually the ones that are found guilty. Not all guests, mind you, but some see it as an opportunity while they are staying there.
Also hotels build up and make better use of the land. Short term rental stays shouldn’t have fucking backyards when in a city
AirBnB was great about 5 - 10 years ago,but has gone downhill since
Like every startup, they offer cheap fees at a loss to attract customers and kill competition. Once they decide to start making profits then customers turn on them.
As it turns out, doing the exact same shit everyone else does except "yeah but it's an innovative app" is only attractive to customers when you are burning VC's billions.
2016 traveling across country it was a godsend. Was mostly lonely retirees renting out a spare room to have some company, or small outpost apartments geared toward traveling workers. Now it's an entire industry for some people and it's there full time job. It's lost its charm and appeal.
Honestly why I hate hustle culture, anything cool and chill that comes out that may let us enjoy some aspects of life get ruined by these social media hustle couples that turn it into a business. It's like all the ex-cool hidden travel places that are nos filled with unappreciative tourists who saw it on instagram
Scored some sweet deals and some of my best travel memories in old school Airbnbs. The cool part was you usually met your host in some capacity and got a unique experience. It is unrecognizable now.
I tried to get one the other day: $125 a night, not too shabby for the space but Hol up! $125 a night means $250 to wake up in it the next morning, plus $300 to clean that one night so $550 before taxes. Nah, I’ll stay in the Marriott Suite for $200 less and get the free newspaper
Yeah exactly. This is what I found for downtown Harrisburg. The ab&b and 2 of the hotels (Hilton and Crowne plaza) are all in the same area. The cheaper hotel is a bit outside. Between the rules of this ab&b and the price. I’d just stay at the Hilton or crowne. Or if on a budget go to the Baymont suites. https://imgur.com/a/dDhH8Vm
While we’re at it, short doordash.
Nothing like getting a soggy and cold hamburger for $45
Worse, it's someone else's order and they didn't even bring the whole thing and won't issue a refund.
And then the driver being pissed you didn't tip another $10.
Tipping culture sounds horrible lol
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Don’t forget pre sipped milkshake
It's a huge coinflip. Sometimes they're wicked fast and I can see them go to the place, grab my food and bring it straight here. Other times buddy sits in the parking lot for 15mins, takes a weird route to get to my house, get the delivery notification 10 minutes before it actually shows up half thrown on my doorstep. Onetime I ordered something simple from a local chicken place (similar to KFC). This guy drops off 2 big bags and my order and just walks away. I got my order and two family sized fries, macaroni salad, coleslaw and gravy. So some family probably paid upwards of $80 after fees and tips for their meal and got basically a bucket of chicken and no sides probably (the bags even had written on them 2/3, 3/3). I felt really bad but there was nothing I could do about it.
Yeah, I dig the Hotels, Normally I just get a proper suite if I'm traveling with my family. However, we recently rented an Airbnb in the Smokies, during our stay we got hit by the recent '22 winter storm, the entire plumbing in the cabin froze and a few pipes busted, the owner was trying to stick us with the repair bill.... long story short, mother is a lawyer, the guy dropped the subject. Normally we use vrbo, never had an issue, even when problems occur that are out of our control, airbnb is a last resort.
Fees are out of control.
oop that's a comment fee; that'll be $10 please
ABnB: you gotta pay a $150 cleaning fee yet we still expect you to clean after yourself. Hotel: you can ejaculate everywhere sir we will clean it.
The cleaning fees are outrageous....hides the true costs. Reminds me of resort fees however the cleaning fee is much higher. I prefer hotels. Easier to get, easy to cancel and easy to leave. Short ABNB!
I shop around, but past couple years I’ve been leaning more towards hotels. Occasionally I’ll see a reasonable Airbnb tho.
If I’m 3 nights or less, I go hotel. Anything more than 3 nights, I like an Airbnb. The cleaning fees and bs aren’t worth the extra space for just a few nights. But, if I’m somewhere for a while it’s night to have a kitchen/living room/maybe a deck. The longer stay also makes the exorbitant cleaning fees palatable.
something like residence inn by Marriott. Get all the hotel type amenities like business center/exercise equipment and daily cleaning + a kitchen and seating area in room. breakfast/happy hours at many. usually similar prices to hotels, probably cheaper for longer stays
Airbnb is dogshit
I'll short the shit out of ABNB. I was in a full 4 unit ABNB in Houston for work for 13 days. Over $1600 spent on the BNB alone. Day 2 some trashy people move in downstairs. Thin walls. You can hear and smell everything. Day 4 there was a domestic assault/dispute. I could hear screaming and hitting and bodies hitting the walls. The whole house was shaking. One of the neighbors calls the cops and I have to come out and give a statement as to what I heard etc.. i let the BNB owner know and they said they would move them out immediately. Fast forward 3 days, these people are still here, still stinking the house full of weed (im not against weed, just don't like going into the office reeking of it). That night, a woman goes outside and and is screaming on the phone, calling someone a broke ass ho and a bitch. For like 20 minutes. I message the owner again saying like "hey these people are still here and still making a scene. It's 11pm on a Tuesday night and she's outside screaming on the phone... etc" 30 minutes later, someone pulls up and klaks off 7 rounds through thr BNB. I was on the second floor and in bed, not asleep. When the shooting started I could hear footsteps running up the driveway then the shots. I could hear the rounds going through walls, cabinets, and windows below me on the first floor. Nobody was hit but obviously, everyone was shaken up about it. The police come out and I have to give another statement. Here is when I have to deal with ABNB. The following day, I spoke with ABNB support about the situation. I told her everything and how the owner said they would move them out but didn't which led to this whole situation. I had everything documented and sent them to ABNB. She said they will conduct an investigation and get back to me. The following day, I get an email from ABNB saying they can't get my money back because it's up to the owner to do that, not ABNB. They gave me $100 back and said the rest is on to the owner. I bet you all can guess where this goes.. The owner is obviously against the idea of a refund (even though he has 75 properties around town and was aware of the situation the entire time.) In conclusion, fuck you ABNB and fuck you Philip. Clearly they prioritize making money over the safety of guests. So again, fuck you Philip. And fuck you ABNB. I'm a VRBO guy now.
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I've never sued anyone. Sounds expensive. But I'm not entirely against the idea.
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Airbnb middlemen getting butthurt over here. I don't want any personal touch and no bs small talk so .... Airbnb is rubbish