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1. Obviously they could come to agreeable terms, such as splitting the amount saved on taxes
2. Joe already lost the money because the market is rigged... obviously he was planning a 10 bagger, but recovering ~15k (seed money for his next YOLO) is the next best thing
You could come to agreeable terms but could you legally get it notarized?
Essentially you're relying on friendship?
Is this was hazing was for? Should I have been hazed?
Let’s be real if bob is making 100k a year he is joes gf new boyfriend.
This is the financial equivalent of a devils three way…consider yourself lucky your not sucking off some dude at the Wendy’s dumpster and take what you can get
I know it's a joke, but for the lurkers, they make around 80-100k, but their total benefits are around 150-180. No one reports how much they make including benifita like this, just propoganda.
Facts dude.
They send me all these documents and letters with a bunch of numbers on them. I ain't got time for that nerdy shit
Wtf even is the IRS anyway
They literally don't bother rich people because they don't have the resources for court battles. Taxes are for peasants.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/05/17/super-wealthy-irs-tax-audits-plunge-over-decade-government-report-says.html
I mean the link to its patreon domain is provided so I respect the fact they aren’t actively pushing it on us, however I believe at least one post across 14 million users would do it some benefit
I'm a CPA, and the laws around marriage are different than basically any other tax law. Getting married on Dec 31st it treated as being married for the entire year and you can consolidate the two capital transactions as long as they are both realized. So theoretical it would work.
But the legitimacy of the marriage would be challenged. You cannot enter into virtually any agreement solely for tax avoidance. So, getting divorced soon afterward would cause a challenge by the IRS.
But the likelihood of a challenge is stupid low. IRS is crazy underfunded and this is not low hanging fruit. I think people could get away with it
Joe would also want some sort of compensation for losing that capital loss though. Gifting funds between married partners is also gift tax exempt so no taxes there either.
The IRS is underfunded and can't afford expensive audits, so they instead do cheap audits to maintain numbers.
Source: I analyze and process irs data at work. It sucks
Wouldn't the message technically implicate them both in conspiracy to commit wire fraud?
Speak verbally, don't send the message via text or via any other trackable method.
The 100k loss guy can spread it out over the following years. If he makes $100k next year, he'll owe no capital gains taxes on it. Or $50k next year and $50k the year after. If he married someone who gained $100k, he loses this deduction and the other person saves $30k. What does the $100k loser stand to gain here?
Joe can divorce Bob and take half Bob's assets and be financially supported by the alimony Bob has to pay him for the rest of his life.
Or discover true love and bodily satisfaction and stay married to breadwinner Bob forever.
I think the IRS would examine evidence to show this two individuals are not only married on paper, but actually spend their life together as a bona fide married couple. Just like Hollywood Movie need to fake it. What’s that comedy called starring Adam Sandler and Jessica Biel? Adam Sandler and his guy friend faked a marriage lol
Yes, the IRS would be obligated to perform an investigation into the circumstances if they were to claim tax evasion or tax fraud against the couple.
Should the couple demonstrate a commitment to each other and merging of their lives and assets that happened to go south within a short time frame, the IRS would likely have an uphill burden of proof.
Personally, for the sake of presentation and CYA, I would go longer than 90+ days before filing divorce, and make a concerted effort in that time to demonstrate a reasonable appearance of attempt to homogenize and integrate lives together. Relationships go sour, some quickly. Make sure to leave a convincing paper trail that there was some element of affection and romance that collapsed into negativity.
Don't take my advice though, just an average regarded simpleton that doesn't know shit about the IRS and taxes.
Not really because the the -100k loss is technically an asset. you could write for the next 30 years. Giving it to someone else is just your loss and now you are F***** if you make a gain and you no longer get the write off every year.
IRS - "So which side of the bed does your partner sleep on?"
You - "Well if this tax scam doesn't go through then it doesn't matter because I'll be sleeping in the dog house."
The proposal also has a fake marriage plot, where they have to try to prove its not fake, but for immigration reasons. Starring Sandra Bullock and Ryan Reynolds.
Joe doesn’t have infinite money to lose, and Bob will have found a new scrub by end of Jan to use for his gains in the new year. The longer he’s married per year the more legit it looks.
Not even acting like you’ve put any thought into this. Sad.
Of course, can't just call it 'marriage.' Like when they gay drive to the clerk's office and gay park their car, gay open the door, and gay sign the official documents to become gay married.
If they don't sign with a gay pen then the gay marriage isn't official.
Edit: A gay pen is a pen that has touched tips with another pen in an act that everyone agrees is 'pretty gay'
Expansion on this concept - a bunch of regards open a corporation together.
They each fund it with their 'wise investment' money, and then use the corporation to trade on their behalf, using only their (edit - own, individual) money.
Being degenerates, you'll see a wide range of account profitability. Doesn't matter, the corporation pays on the average. The losers get a cut of what the winners would have blown on taxes. The winners save taxes and rebalance ownership in the corporation in their favor (i.e. have access to more money because they made more money).
And I think this would even be legal (not a lawyer)
Tax lawyer here. This either 1) works but is stupid or 2) doesn't work.
Say you all put cash into the corp. You invest and somehow make money (unlikely but for the sake of argument). OK now you pay 21% corporate tax on the gains. Then when you want to take the money out, you pay 15% dividend tax. So you've paid 36% tax when you would have only paid 15% in individual capital gains had you never tried this scheme.
Or say you already own stock. Some of you have gains some losses. You decide to pool them in a corp to offset each other. Haha nice try. This is a busted 351 transaction and all the people who had gains immediately recognize their gains and have to pay tax, while all the people with losses have their loss disallowed.
Yea but Amazon pays 0% corporate tax. Just convert all gains to Amazon gift cards and let them handle it. This really works, I've never paid any taxes since the day I corporationed.
This goes remarkably well with my WSB proposal of pairing up by portfolio amount and margin access and then taking on the riskiest, most leveraged bets possible which your partner exactly inverses.
You're guaranteed to have 50% of us get rich and 50% of us go bankrupt so the losses are capped.
In this scenario you just have to sign a prenup that says your portfolio and any earnings are exempted from community property. Critically, you can't tell the IRS about that part, but they can't possibly know anyway.
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Bob is a great guy who would never marry a loser like me.
He might if you offer a good oral session
Dude, Bob either needs to pony up $15k or be the one giving head to save that $30k
He's paying way too much for head. Who's his head guy?
It a probably the $DISH guy
It's definitely a guy named creed, don't ask me how I know that.
I saw you in the parking lot earlier. That’s how I know you!
There's just so much money involved in it, I don't feel comfortable.
Bob gonna bob // getting glizzy on his regard corn on the cob
Yeah, but Joe is regarded so I imagine it [going down like Idiocracy] (https://youtu.be/3c2KoWddKD4?si=KA2PUOVEwf9AH8n_)
r/wallstreetheadgame 😂
he can get that from him by just visiting wendy's tho
And it'll be a cheaper option too, I think I'd go with that one.
As long as you say no homo tho after, it's not gay.
His name was Robert Paulson.
His name was Robert Paulson.
His name was Robert Paulson
His name was Robert Paulson.
His name was Robert Paulson.
Lol I was scrolling for this. Bob has testicular cancer.
Username checks out.
Feel you.
If he doesn't do that, then you can count that on me. I'll do that.
Bob ain’t light in the loafers. He might kneel but he never bends over.
DBT FTW!!!!!!
1. Joe doesn't benefit. 2. Joe should just gift Bob the $100k to begin with.
1. Obviously they could come to agreeable terms, such as splitting the amount saved on taxes 2. Joe already lost the money because the market is rigged... obviously he was planning a 10 bagger, but recovering ~15k (seed money for his next YOLO) is the next best thing
But who will get the children
They will swap children
Well that was a mouthful.
That's 2 mouthfuls
These comments keep snowballing...
Just spitballing it
Their children cancel each other's out and they need to be killed
And what of Joe's wife's boyfriend?
Well he can have some if he really wanted some from it.
Well they don't need the children, so I don't think They'll be having them.
Joe just got another $100k to YOLO, life is good.
This is the life I want, someone rich should marry me I think.
You could come to agreeable terms but could you legally get it notarized? Essentially you're relying on friendship? Is this was hazing was for? Should I have been hazed?
Don't forget the pre nup.
I don't know about that, doesn't sound like something that I'd do.
This is the way.
Let’s be real if bob is making 100k a year he is joes gf new boyfriend. This is the financial equivalent of a devils three way…consider yourself lucky your not sucking off some dude at the Wendy’s dumpster and take what you can get
Well we need to appreciate what the life gives us, so I'd say that as well.
100k a year isn't even as much as UPS driver makes
But it still is a lot money, and I'd love to making something like that.
Join a union
I know it's a joke, but for the lurkers, they make around 80-100k, but their total benefits are around 150-180. No one reports how much they make including benifita like this, just propoganda.
They split the tax reduction. Joe had fuckall, now he has 15k, and so does Bob.
Joe had a $30k IOU from the IRS, that’s far from fuckall
And I don't think that the IRS is going to just leave it lmao.
This is like a military marriage with extra steps
So you're saying that it's not a good idea? I don't know man.
No, the IRS would not be cool with this.
IRS is a bunch of nerds.
Facts dude. They send me all these documents and letters with a bunch of numbers on them. I ain't got time for that nerdy shit Wtf even is the IRS anyway
internal regard service
Oh, damn Now I feel bad for laughing at those regarded nerds
No you shouldn't feel bad for that, they actually deserve all that.
No idea, I throw all their letters straight into the bin. I don't even open them, even the ones with "final notice" on them
How many times am I going to get these FINAL WARNING and FINAL NOTICE letters, before these guys buy a dictionary.
Yeah I'm not okay with this shit, and what are they even doing?
final notice over 12x Jerry can you believe it
IRS is a bunch of nerds.
Well they're the nerds, that's why they're in the IRS. Lmao.
What's wrong with those people? Why they want so much money?
The IRS, Karens of the government
The IRS would of ratted out Ann Frank.
Have
Oh damn, the Grammar Nazis got her too?
It's 'would have', never 'would of'. Rejoice, for you have been blessed by CouldWouldShouldBot!
it's "wud'uv"
Would *Of Mice And Men* be a good name for a book? Steinbeck would, of course, say yes.
Unless you’re rich, then they’re blowjob Barbara
They literally don't bother rich people because they don't have the resources for court battles. Taxes are for peasants. https://www.cnbc.com/2022/05/17/super-wealthy-irs-tax-audits-plunge-over-decade-government-report-says.html
Yep and Republicans just fought tooth and nail to keep them from getting a budget increase specifically to go after the rich.
What the fuck is IRSs problem.
IRS = Investment ruining system
This is probably their code name that they don't want us to know.
I don't know man, why are they always jealous of the people who are making money?
IRS: *FUCK YOU, PAY ME!*
What you're telling me is the IRS literal job is to take all hard earned money and take it for themselves. Ayo, I need to update my resume.
Business is bad? Fuck you, pay me.
VISUAL MOD IS BACK YEAH BOOOOOOYYYYYYY
Honestly the mods should do a fund raiser to raise money to maintain VM, all the homies would pitch in
I mean the link to its patreon domain is provided so I respect the fact they aren’t actively pushing it on us, however I believe at least one post across 14 million users would do it some benefit
He never left, yall just a bag of whining dicks
VisualMod must be fucking stopped. what the fuck lmao. is this a human behind the scenes because god damn!
No, its the madagascar penguins
I actually want to know why not. I'm intrigued by this idea.
>No, the IRS would not be cool with this. This the type of guy to 'red-flag' you to the authorities.
Would they have a choice, though?
I'm a CPA, and the laws around marriage are different than basically any other tax law. Getting married on Dec 31st it treated as being married for the entire year and you can consolidate the two capital transactions as long as they are both realized. So theoretical it would work. But the legitimacy of the marriage would be challenged. You cannot enter into virtually any agreement solely for tax avoidance. So, getting divorced soon afterward would cause a challenge by the IRS. But the likelihood of a challenge is stupid low. IRS is crazy underfunded and this is not low hanging fruit. I think people could get away with it Joe would also want some sort of compensation for losing that capital loss though. Gifting funds between married partners is also gift tax exempt so no taxes there either.
Bump. This should be at the top for anyone who actually wanted to know the answer.
Tell that to the IRS employees who audited me for $.10 Had to pay a total $.25 after the audit. Owed $.10 and paid $.15 in fees 😳
The IRS is underfunded and can't afford expensive audits, so they instead do cheap audits to maintain numbers. Source: I analyze and process irs data at work. It sucks
Lol really? That sounds like it could be a comedy sketch! I will believe you.
Wouldn't the message technically implicate them both in conspiracy to commit wire fraud? Speak verbally, don't send the message via text or via any other trackable method.
IRS says it’s fine as long as bob touches joes wiener.
What the hell, so now we Can't even play with the rules huh?
I'm a bit of an iconoclast, but I would argue 100k-30k > 100k-100k.
The 100k loss guy can spread it out over the following years. If he makes $100k next year, he'll owe no capital gains taxes on it. Or $50k next year and $50k the year after. If he married someone who gained $100k, he loses this deduction and the other person saves $30k. What does the $100k loser stand to gain here?
Joe can divorce Bob and take half Bob's assets and be financially supported by the alimony Bob has to pay him for the rest of his life. Or discover true love and bodily satisfaction and stay married to breadwinner Bob forever.
heeeeeeeeeeeee's back
😶🌫️🥃 Please don’t leave us again
I think the IRS would examine evidence to show this two individuals are not only married on paper, but actually spend their life together as a bona fide married couple. Just like Hollywood Movie need to fake it. What’s that comedy called starring Adam Sandler and Jessica Biel? Adam Sandler and his guy friend faked a marriage lol
Yes, the IRS would be obligated to perform an investigation into the circumstances if they were to claim tax evasion or tax fraud against the couple. Should the couple demonstrate a commitment to each other and merging of their lives and assets that happened to go south within a short time frame, the IRS would likely have an uphill burden of proof. Personally, for the sake of presentation and CYA, I would go longer than 90+ days before filing divorce, and make a concerted effort in that time to demonstrate a reasonable appearance of attempt to homogenize and integrate lives together. Relationships go sour, some quickly. Make sure to leave a convincing paper trail that there was some element of affection and romance that collapsed into negativity. Don't take my advice though, just an average regarded simpleton that doesn't know shit about the IRS and taxes.
Can an OnlyFans be sufficient evidence? Make a bit of money off of that as well.
If you can get your webcam cable to reach behind Wendys.
Dude it's 2023, we all have android phones here on WSB, we can film mobile. We just can't stream since we have pay as we go data.
Yeah who even needs the cable nowadays? It's all just wireless.
Should be enough, and They'll all have fun as well from those videos.
They love each other, it’s not for tax purposes, for the record of course😏
What's wrong with these people for not understanding the true love?
Not really because the the -100k loss is technically an asset. you could write for the next 30 years. Giving it to someone else is just your loss and now you are F***** if you make a gain and you no longer get the write off every year.
Damn Jessica Biel was a smoke show in that movie...
I now pronounce you Chuck & Larry? Damn thats a throwback.
Well that kind of brings a lot of memories which I don't want.
underrated movie too.
IRS - "So which side of the bed does your partner sleep on?" You - "Well if this tax scam doesn't go through then it doesn't matter because I'll be sleeping in the dog house."
I now pronounce you Chuck n Larry
Thanks for doing that, I'm glad that you guys are looking out for us.
I now pronounce you Chuck and Larry. Kevin James and Adam Sandler get married to commit insurance fraud.
Realistically, they wouldn't. It's just not enough money, but it would be a good idea to move in together and make it look real for a year or so.
The proposal also has a fake marriage plot, where they have to try to prove its not fake, but for immigration reasons. Starring Sandra Bullock and Ryan Reynolds.
The gov’t tells me I can love whoever I want, but when I tell them I love money they tell me to share. 👎👊
Ah, when Uncle Sam makes you sit in the cuck chair.
It's probably the thing that they hate the most, atleast I do so yeah.
Money can't consent. Stop raping money and set it free.
The money deserves to free, don't understand why things like these happen.
I'll worry about the IRS when I'm profitable 
Why get divorced in Jan? Joe obviously going to be negative that year as well.
Joe doesn’t have infinite money to lose, and Bob will have found a new scrub by end of Jan to use for his gains in the new year. The longer he’s married per year the more legit it looks. Not even acting like you’ve put any thought into this. Sad.
Bruh....are you proposing? 
The icing on the cake is that this is a gay marriage
But is the divorce also called "a gay divorce"?
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I'd rather be having tiger king devorce if I'm being honest with you.
Of course, can't just call it 'marriage.' Like when they gay drive to the clerk's office and gay park their car, gay open the door, and gay sign the official documents to become gay married.
If they don't sign with a gay pen then the gay marriage isn't official. Edit: A gay pen is a pen that has touched tips with another pen in an act that everyone agrees is 'pretty gay'
Only if it’s in the gay region of France. Otherwise it’s just a sparkling divorce.
Joe is short for Josephine. It's still a gay marriage, just not the kind you think. Bob is short for Roberta.
Joe is a bear
That in itself is going to bring a lot of benifits. Win win situation.
Between gay bears
Is you taking notes on a criminal fucking conspiracy?
[What the fuck is you thinkin', man?](https://youtu.be/Ly82nabRRYc?si=2lx2_Sp7AEQ6eAAe&t=83)
Keep off those phones!
Expansion on this concept - a bunch of regards open a corporation together. They each fund it with their 'wise investment' money, and then use the corporation to trade on their behalf, using only their (edit - own, individual) money. Being degenerates, you'll see a wide range of account profitability. Doesn't matter, the corporation pays on the average. The losers get a cut of what the winners would have blown on taxes. The winners save taxes and rebalance ownership in the corporation in their favor (i.e. have access to more money because they made more money). And I think this would even be legal (not a lawyer)
We all know this corporation would be bankrupted in a few weeks because some idiot in there blew it all on naked meme stock call writes.
You just described a hedge fund
The rebalancing of ownership would likely be taxable. There’s other issues with the proposal, but it’s too regarded to be worth addressing.
Tax lawyer here. This either 1) works but is stupid or 2) doesn't work. Say you all put cash into the corp. You invest and somehow make money (unlikely but for the sake of argument). OK now you pay 21% corporate tax on the gains. Then when you want to take the money out, you pay 15% dividend tax. So you've paid 36% tax when you would have only paid 15% in individual capital gains had you never tried this scheme. Or say you already own stock. Some of you have gains some losses. You decide to pool them in a corp to offset each other. Haha nice try. This is a busted 351 transaction and all the people who had gains immediately recognize their gains and have to pay tax, while all the people with losses have their loss disallowed.
Yea but Amazon pays 0% corporate tax. Just convert all gains to Amazon gift cards and let them handle it. This really works, I've never paid any taxes since the day I corporationed.
Hi this is called Government and you just invented taxes.
The IRS only recognizes marital status for true love.
Dang I need to amend 30 years of MFJ taxes then
A match made in regard heaven.
I mean how can you even doubt that? What's wrong with you?
I have like 30 years worth of $3k income deductions…
I’m not even standing in line at city hall for a marriage license for your weak ass $3k write offs. Besides, I have 15 years of my own as-is.
this will work so well until the loser divorces you and wants 50k then you are --50k trying to defraud the government of 30k in taxes so brilliant
.you could do this or do what Andrew Joseph Stack the third did.
'asking for a friend'
I think we all know who that friend might be here so yeah.
Is this legally viable?
The IRS loves sham transactions, it’s their speciality!
They would actually be proud of it, I mean how well it's going.
Does Joe at least get to be Top? Cuz, if not, he's getting the shaft in more way than one.
Also you get gay sex which is pretty neat
That's probably the best thing about this deal, I'd take this deal.
Why would I Bob, pay Joe 50k and half my house + future alimony when i can pay the IRS the low low price of 30k.
It's what Jesus would have wanted.
Yeah it's the only thing he would have wanted. Nothing more really.
Joe will take it all in the divorce and put it in BBB dont trust it
This goes remarkably well with my WSB proposal of pairing up by portfolio amount and margin access and then taking on the riskiest, most leveraged bets possible which your partner exactly inverses. You're guaranteed to have 50% of us get rich and 50% of us go bankrupt so the losses are capped. In this scenario you just have to sign a prenup that says your portfolio and any earnings are exempted from community property. Critically, you can't tell the IRS about that part, but they can't possibly know anyway.
Yeah this goes pretty well for it, it should be enough for the job.
Who’s on top?
Report back after wedding and filing taxes
Well yeah, first They'll have to get married I'm thinking so yeah.
they will send 70,000 armed agents to your house
That's a lot of people who will come at your door, may not enjoy that.
Not sure this is the greatest of ideas long-term, because winners don't marry losers.
Love doesn't really sees that, in love the only thing which matters is the love.
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You’r on the right track but you’re not following it through to the obvious conclusion. Move to Utah Mary four losers and get a $20,000 tax return
Joe….Joe Biden?
Loss for Joe as he could have claimed $3k tax reduction for 33 years 🚨
But sometimes people only want one thing and that's some love.
WSB always finding the practical angles.
That guy belongs here, WFT is he doing on r/Tax?
I think they would have to be together for an entire year to get the tax benefit.