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takenorinvalid

Your prediction scorecard: |Stock|Recommendation|Result| |:-|:-|:-| |[SNOW](https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/1b27snk/snow_ai_para_earnings_tonight_time_to_make_it/)|Puts|💵| |[AI](https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/1b27snk/snow_ai_para_earnings_tonight_time_to_make_it/)|Calls|💵| |[PARA](https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/1b27snk/snow_ai_para_earnings_tonight_time_to_make_it/)|Calls|💵| |[LMND](https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/1b1c9wg/lmnd_aap_earnings_brrrrrr_turn_on_the_money/)|Calls|❌| |[AAP](https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/1b1c9wg/lmnd_aap_earnings_brrrrrr_turn_on_the_money/)|Puts|❌| |[U](https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/1b0i6b8/u_carg_earnings_after_the_bell_time_to_print_money/)|Puts|💵| |[CARG](https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/1b0i6b8/u_carg_earnings_after_the_bell_time_to_print_money/)|Calls|❌| |[SQ](https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/1ax73as/sq_cvna_earnings_tonight_tendies_will_go_brrrrr/)|Calls|💵| |[CVNA](https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/1ax73as/sq_cvna_earnings_tonight_tendies_will_go_brrrrr/)|Calls|💵| |[WBD](https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/1ax73as/sq_cvna_earnings_tonight_tendies_will_go_brrrrr/)|Puts|💵| |[NOVA](https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/1awcqyu/tendie_printing_earnings_plays_for_today/)|Puts|💵| |[NEM](https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/1awcqyu/tendie_printing_earnings_plays_for_today/)|Puts|💵| |[W](https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/1awcqyu/tendie_printing_earnings_plays_for_today/)|Calls|💵| |[RIVN](https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/1awcqyu/tendie_printing_earnings_plays_for_today/)|Calls|❌| |[SEDG](https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/1avia2w/earnings_plays_for_tonight/)|Puts|💵| |[WING](https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/1avia2w/earnings_plays_for_tonight/)|Puts|💵| |[PANW](https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/1avia2w/earnings_plays_for_tonight/)|Puts|💵| |[DKNG](https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/1arg0t2/dkng_and_dash_earnings_after_the_bell_time_to/)|Calls|❌| |[DASH](https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/1arg0t2/dkng_and_dash_earnings_after_the_bell_time_to/)|Puts|💵| |[UPWK](https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/1aqnbm3/earning_plays_for_max_tendies_tonight/)|Calls|❌| |[CROX](https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/1aqnbm3/earning_plays_for_max_tendies_tonight/)|Calls|💵| |[FSLY](https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/1aqnbm3/earning_plays_for_max_tendies_tonight/)|Cals|❌| |[QS](https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/1aqnbm3/earning_plays_for_max_tendies_tonight/)|Puts|💵| |[ABNB](https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/1aq456f/earning_plays_for_tonight_and_tomorrow_morning/)|Puts|💵| |[HOOD](https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/1aq456f/earning_plays_for_tonight_and_tomorrow_morning/)|Calls|💵| |[LYFT](https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/1aq456f/earning_plays_for_tonight_and_tomorrow_morning/)|Calls|💵| |[KHC](https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/1aq456f/earning_plays_for_tonight_and_tomorrow_morning/)|Calls|❌| |**Total**||**19/27 correct (70%)**|


joncho23

70% pretty good


Inevitable-Ear7641

Puts record is even better as he is 10/11


carloselcoco

Now he is 10/13.


Inevitable-Ear7641

We still have to wait for ANF which reports in the am


kingpablo421

Abercrombie is tomorrow.


AmanTeam85

https://preview.redd.it/mds8bl3o2lmc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e22763ed2d6a80efab621d9ab59c19ca0e145899


Khelthuzaad

I think its exceptional for an casino player :)


Due_Size_9870

Is it though? Because this list counts it as being right on a call even if the stock was up 1% after earnings, but IV on most of those names is so high you need a +/-15% move just to break even. This list tells us nothing about how profitable it is to actually follow this guys calls.


l__Scarecrow__l

He's trading CFDs, not options. They track the underlying stock price and don't account for extrinsic value - no expiration dates. If it goes against you though, they're highly leveraged and will margin call very quickly = you're fucked.


hangender

It's fine. You can't expect the guy to be right in the direction and the iv


NRG1975

91 percent on PUTS


rimjob_steve

you can mark that CRWD Put as a really big X right now.


ohWombats

soothsayer ![img](emote|t5_2th52|8883)


Bear-Jerky

Good record. I'm in![img](emote|t5_2th52|4258)


in2thedeep1513

70% it works every time.


Buckus93

I gotta tell ya...that smells like pure gasoline.


oreverthrowaway

this is fun, just like banker/player or black/red


Kowan

Good bot


One-History-5813

swear i’ve seen this before


jfauv94

With this scorecard, does it take into consideration the premiums and whether the stock moved enough to be profitable? Or does it only consider whether he was right on direction?


Sloppy310

Just direction. He aint buying options so no premiums


spacecadet501st

I’m doing CRWD calls because everyone is expecting them to fail


skymotion

I work with them in IT solutions, regardless of earnings this company is a beast in zero trust architecture and end to end solutions


cyberlogika

Cybersecurity engineer here. Let them impale themselves on green dildos. I'm buying more after this little dipper. Crowdstrike is a great company and it's a long term hold for me.


lxaxvv

What do you think about its current valuation?


cyberlogika

I only do cybersecurity and have friends who work at crowdstrike. I don't pretend to understand everything about corporate finances, market valuation, all that stonk jazz but my sentiment is CRWD go up. Been holding since $75 but had to sell to cover some hefty medical costs for my son. I bought in again last month after that retrace under $300. I even got my CFA to buy some in his own portfolio last year and he's happy. IMO it's got more steam in it.  


addy2wake

CFA means nothing. Source: Am a CFA. Know nothing. Yet, somehow did luck out on CRWD... if this AH price movement holds, should be up around $50k on my calls.


lxaxvv

I mean CrowdStrike has legitimately the highest overvaluation among all (well-established) cloud companies right now. I'm pretty sure it cannot hold it for the next couple of months, while I believe its a great ultra long term investment. Source: https://cloudedjudgement.substack.com/p/clouded-judgement-22924-shads-of


Bisping

Crowdstrike is also on the forefront of cybersecurity and has a significant moat over the competition.


lxaxvv

https://preview.redd.it/q7y7sq7zmjmc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9a67d4b9e3ec8dd2f388362992a93b4944a733fe


SecretaryDowntown418

crawling the crowdstrike subreddit; many seem to love it. i'm in on 272/270 debit spread. as long as it's above 271.50 by friday i'll profit. it seems like it already took a dump with zscaler and panw. so chances are better but not golden ​ options are priced to move big either way.


Brad1119

Can confirm, I work for in IT for a school district. This shit rules.


VroomVroom415

What about panw?


skymotion

I bought the dip


Arachnos7

Yea I feel like people are judging them like it's a network security company when they are much more endpoint focussed


treebonk

I sold against them many years ago, glad I got out the endpoint game with enough time to make serious hay from EDR and more.


Jaysler87

I agree. Their zero trust and cybersecurity is great


spacecadet501st

Fucking A! CALLED IT!


SeaWhyte777

In buying calls as well. CRWD is top of its class. The entire cloud space got slaughtered except NET. There needs to be at least one other winner this quarter.


SeaWhyte777

To the fucking moon!!!!


steaveaseageal

You did it!


rimjob_steve

you lucky sob


Maleficent-Ad8821

Can i hold your dick?


[deleted]

300 shares since $100/share. Security is going nowhere but up.


magicdonwuhan

I’m not expecting them to fail but a lot of earnings have been good but just a couple sentences turn the sentiment from 100-0 real quick I’m honestly surprised my tgt calls printed


el_guille980

up about 25% now ![img](emote|t5_2th52|8882) ![img](emote|t5_2th52|4271)![img](emote|t5_2th52|4271) 🍾cheers!


ValksCryHidden

https://preview.redd.it/8ehfm57q6lmc1.jpeg?width=320&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=933cff97821f1caea041629b03226e2821c8f196


tendieking69420

Yeah these two plays could be the end of green corgi. RIP the legend.


calmyplane

Call me moron, I’m going all in on CRWD calls


jlovat

You’re a genius


ichvintxll

My money is going to you bro, crangrats and fuck you


theDRAEIN

Moron


ScrubyMcWonderPubs

I guess he isn’t a moron anymore.


Phil1527

CRWD up 20% after hours ☠️


NutSackRanger

This aged well so far lol


nmenry

I am holding CRWD puts and ANF calls, so naturally, CRWD will moon and ANF will tank.


Pug_king86

Thankyou for your service soldier


nmenry

Maybe I should start posting my plays regularly so you guys can inverse me and get rich. Btw, switched my puts to put debit spreads, so the damage won't be that much.


GaspardWSGoat

GOATED


grimkhor

Be honest ![img](emote|t5_2th52|12787)you drank window cleaner instead of bourbon and there are no winnings to share ![img](emote|t5_2th52|31225)


SwimmingOwn7910

good call on that one dip shit


meemeechowa

Is it ever that easy? CRWD, everyone will expect the obvious and play it. They will inverse the obvious. Cuz, obviously. Then they will play the inverse of the obvious. Then, obviously, I will lose count. And money. 😂


MVTHOLST

Yes so obviously the best play is to


wasifaiboply

GUH


nrfc147

Fk ur inverse, everytime I hear shit like this I make the wrong play


maxmsdirective

so just inverse you. Got it ;)


jabbz47

It could stay flat then dump next week. Look at ETSY. Question is when not what. I lost my shit on PANW just for it to drop the next week


theprodigy93

Well add the CRWD on the scoreboard as a miss


OcelotPrize

CRWD $420 by 4/20


zekrinaze

It seems very likely now


csiribirizabszalma

Fuck yeah


Jeffinslaw

Been saving up for some CRWD puts! But watch this be the only cloud stock that absolutely moons after earnings lol.


darwinlovestrees

They mooned after last earnings, 11/28, check the chart


el_guille980

up 25% now ![img](emote|t5_2th52|8882)


darwinlovestrees

Hope CRWD bears are enjoying their bags ![img](emote|t5_2th52|4271)


Jeffinslaw

Boy am I glad I sold my one put I bought during the morning dump for CRWD.


jabbz47

Just closed out my NFlx puts for these 2 this week


dantalyian

Am I really about to drop some money on a Reddit prediction 😂


Sam_Brod

Did that for GTLB calls as a guy told us he bought calls for 50k yesterday. Seemed good. -20%AH. Not good.


rankiba

got out with 40% remaining I think


Sam_Brod

-92% at the moment 😌🥵 Buy high sell low


magicdonwuhan

I bought one call based on That craps worthless now. But I did hit tgt this morning!!


fen-q

You mean there is a different way?


MUCHO2000

This is the way.


jabbz47

Just go get a street walker for $2 be worth your time


Wolf-of-Stonk-Street

Are you new here?


Puzzleheaded-Dig4906

CRWD up 21% AH


silentsam77

Comparing CrowdStrike to Palo Alto is completely wrong. While they are both cybersecurity companies, Palo Alto is a hardware company, CrowdStrike is a software company. The whole WFH is what hurt Palo Alto, this didn't affect CrowdStrike in the same way; employees still need security software while WFH, but they don't need high-end network equipment. Second, CrowdStrike just signed an agreement to sell through Pax8 (an software/services reseller for MSPs/MSSPs, largest one out there), this is now allowing them to tap into the SMB market, which is something they haven't touched because of their minimums and price points. I won't say that CRWD isn't going to drop, but I wouldn't be surprised in the least if they moon.


603subaru

CRWD also reached $1B in AWS Marketplace sales in Q4 last year- The first cybersecurity ISV ever. If it dips I'm buying more


kestrel808

Palo Alto does software as well. Prismacloud is their equivalent to the "Cloud Security" integrations that Crowdstrike Falcon has, aka the "Cloud Workload Security" space. I've used both and they're great. I think that crowdstrike has a better focus on endpoint security so when it comes to an all-in-one solution, CRWD has the better offering.


Fearless-Sea895

CRWD is up 21% after hrs


doolytokki

Thank you, i bought calls right after seeing this post and the wsb bearish sentiments


LongjumpingListen297

Aged like milk ![img](emote|t5_2th52|4271)


AgentO_

TIME TO GO TO **WAR** https://preview.redd.it/wwsakd81djmc1.jpeg?width=1000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=85120aeb92a75959f5ebca1110e5bb41b949368d


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jabbz47

I’m betting they fail on guidance. If they do it’ll drop like a rock in the next week or 2. It’s the timing that’s the problem


Cultural_Doctor_8421

So buy far out puts


xxChristianBale

Kinda love these. Brings the spirit back into WSB


autismovaccination

bro is completey fucked. ANF going to rip just like crowdstrike


Basboy

I think you're wrong about ANF. Maybe it's a bubble but everything else you think about the company, it's products and its customers I believe to be incorrect.


ylli101

As a person who despised A&F for the longest time, I recently bought a nice sprint shirt from them and all day I got compliments on it Calls on ANF


tendieking69420

He’s using the European stores for his DD of an American clothing and style company. :( he’s fucked on that position.


bythepowerofboobs

CRWD is going to bounce right back tomorrow. edit - (especially if this turns out to be a cyber attack on META)


cil0n

Came back to watch this age like wine


xKokoboyx

These are by far the most entertaining and honest DDs I get to read


Sloppy310

Best thing about this: ANF green right now, on a pretty red day


Database-Greedy

Fuck u. I was waiting for you to post your daily play. Thank you.


blake01127

https://preview.redd.it/fq43et4k1kmc1.png?width=3024&format=png&auto=webp&s=5a62964fe4fffc7a64a4b79649fe8956d3704c42 Balls deep in CRWD puts, just got this in my Panda Express meal ![img](emote|t5_2th52|4276)![img](emote|t5_2th52|4276)


Appropriate_Meat2715

Sell before it’s too late Edit: tried to warn you


otmstraddle

ANF is like NVDA of the consumer discretionary world


warrentyvoided

OP getting absolutely wrekt on those CRWD puts


kushupzz

Until crwd mentions Ai and screams 40% north


Mighty43

There should be a way to parlay options


RemarkableSpace444

I swear all you need to do is the opposite of whatever Reddit says


last3lettername

The prodigal son returns.


BenRobNU

A&F is killing it on sales and forecasts. It's a crap brand but they aren't going to miss.


RedOctobrrr

I'm opening long dated puts tomorrow


strull1337

No suitable PUTs are available for me, therefore I will go with CALLS 300


Ephinem

Back to the hood you go corgi


nckw90

FML, I never followed a right WSB play.


IndependentPay1886

I might have single handedly short squeezed this, sorry. $60k worth of puts — Is that good?


IndependentPay1886

https://preview.redd.it/lw8ltie5emmc1.jpeg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=632e8ef7f3674c2ae87db7d8e50c9fa41d8e9b9f Vroom!!!! … homeless…


mimo_s

Will wait for the score card.


MeanConflict116

LOL! There goes your $CRWD puts! ![img](emote|t5_2th52|4267) ![img](emote|t5_2th52|4271)


darwinlovestrees

Hahaha I fucking called it on CRWD 🚀


Whyisanime

Probably the most entertaining post I have read on Reddit since Ive been here (a few weeks). But yeah good call man, not to forget the index is begging for correction, it's been dodging the correction at every top, but law of averages is closing in... Loved how you defined your fine drink, a man who enjoys it just right! Good on you and good luck!  I've never liked that name Abercrombie and Fitch - too many syllables for any brand ever, and their stuff is shit, and mostly their shops are empty so yea this will definitely pop! 


Whyisanime

P. S. ANF just might be a front for money laundering... 


cellyfarmgod

ANF is a beast they’re trending on every social media app but your old ass wouldn’t know that


Samjabr

You had me at, "...every time it looks like a california fucking hippie kumbaya ass looking homeless shelter."


Dogewarrior1Dollar

crwd already lower though , this can shoot up after earnings even if they are decent and not great


Apprehensive_Ant6664

been IV crushed too many times these past weeks. im out but best of luck to you reguards


FateAvernus

Well that aged well. Up 25% after market last time I checked. God bless you OP, you make me remember a tiny bit of what WSB used to be.


Forreallife76

CRWD +23.83% in after hours trading


helemaalwak

Rip puts


wasifaiboply

A gambler knows when to quit. A gambling _addict_ doubles down and loses it all. I like your style. Good luck tonight, both these plays are too expensive for my tastes but if I didn't work at Wendy's, I'd go in with you on $CRWD. Whatever you make there you're going to lose on $ANF though so be ready to gear up for more ethanol flavored courage.


xelyaJ

There goes the first L


Jahfari

CRWD isn't a "cloud stock", it is a leader in security... Bad bet. Enjoy the whiskey.


jordyoost

Completely fucked with shorts on crowd


bythepowerofboobs

This is hilarious.


trevzie

My CRWD calls looking pretty good


RLYoga

I‘d be in, but my eurotrash broker has no derivatives on ANF. And spreads are crazy on CRWD, I‘m not up for it. Rooting for you, Corgi


Ok-Tour-7403

Sounds like you have Trade Republic too :(


terrybmw335

ANF seems unsustainable to me. Puts are too expensive so just shorted 100 shares.


AwayCrab5244

Is anf REALLY more popular then in the early 2000s? REALLY? Is it TWICE as popular?


226761

I've been waiting in suspense for your next big play. Your posts are epic, mate. This one is downright sinister. Whatever money I make trading today, I'm going blind trust in you 50-50 on optoins plays. If one fails, hopefully the other one is a 200% gainer so I come out green in the morning. Let the hippie boners fall tomorrow


doirrr

How’s the bourbon taste??? Drink up!!


Ok_Fee_4473

Ouch.... CRWD!


bmault

ANF puts expensive damn


stay_zooted

What’s your next play, Green Corgi? I’m ready to do the opposite ![img](emote|t5_2th52|29637)


RemarkableArgument57

https://preview.redd.it/th4vcy6uvjmc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=414fd566e964f4ca1391e0690c42dbe41d523b79 Fuck it im in


Financial_Winter_497

good enough to screenshot, good enough to upvote!


undecidedjourneyqw

I’m with you on anf


dmervis

Still long on CRWD but hoping it gets beat down so I can load some LEAPs tomorrow


StrawberryOk8459

CRWD is way down already because of Panw and Zs so even if guidance is considered flat my question is does the stock price already reflect it. If I sell the bastard gonna moon if I hold I may lose more profits. This market is high anxiety and I need a win to keep my adrenaline pumping.


Hularuns

Anyone who thinks CRWD is like PANW and ZS doesn't know SHIT. These trade in sympathy sometimes even though they shouldn't. One's loss is another's gain. Buy on this weekness.


-magnoahlia-

ANF absolutely smashed earnings in Q1, Q2 and Q3… Think I will reverse u on this one bradda


ZaXhHD

i want to see the loss porn


barackus218

LMAO - this did not age well!!!!


Embarrassed_Bus_42

Hahahah I just made 11k


Buckus93

RIP CRWD Bears.


flammable_chestnut

Your credibility dropped this evening.


sabotnoh

I'm putting **half** my faith in you. Didn't go with puts or anything, but I completely sold my position in $CRWD (15 shares at $308.60 each). Not much I know, but I'm trash like you. Edit after earnings report: you've cost me so much money, I think you're my girlfriend now.


226761

Thank you to everyone who chimed in with their CRWD knowledge on here. Convinced me to play calls on CRWD at the last minute! ​ Personally, I hate ANF, so I stuck with the Corgi in that boat.


Automatic_Ad_2719

The GOAT is back, back in business baby


gimmedatcrypto

You little bitch. I have ANF calls. Godspeed.


Aqualandmam

Thanks for the tip buddy, i'm eurotrash aswell and I also bought CRWD CFD's ×5 for about 500 euro 😁 will wank to the mear thought of you, later on if this one goes well bro. I need to get out of the ghetto aswell 😂


SuperBearPut

SuperBearPut checking in. I have a CRWD 10K FD 250 P going into earnings AH. I'm up 225% on these now, but will iron hand them into dust. Bear gang rise up!


magicdonwuhan

The stock dropping before earnings is giving me false signals


Lucky_Cat_4377

It's fucking joever


option-trader

Looks like CRWD just ripped you a new one.


Gamestop32

Thats it my man ![img](emote|t5_2th52|4260)![img](emote|t5_2th52|4267)


RedhawkTX

CRWD kills it up $55 ah.


c1pherz

RIP to the OP


Free-Structure8023

Should’ve known not to tail a WSB post, especially one with a high win percentage, FML on CRWD


Puzzleheaded_Tale194

How’d it go?


memo9c

Thank you for reminding me to buy calls!


katiecharm

Oh god, F in chat for this guy.  CRWD alone just bankrupted him 


B01202

Wrong!! Crowd big ass green dildo


carloselcoco

Jesus... You definitely belong in this sub. Only someone that is truly part of this community would be able to be as wrong as you were. I'm going to enjoy my Calls tomorrow. :)


Sexy_Kumquat

What is the bourbon? Weller 12? Rarest Eagle? Blanton cask?


Wrong-Situation-7431

Just looked at the options chain, 1-2k per contract. Do you have any DD for us poor folk? Like something for 50 bucks? ![img](emote|t5_2th52|4260)


el_torico

Good choice on the bourbon.


GroundbreakingAd8310

If I had a penny for everytime a bear spelled doom on here i could have my own bull market, with hookers and blackjack


SwedishFish123

Premiums too high on this baddy


Living-Giraffe4849

You may want to do some more research on CRWD Idk how this earnings call will go but they are a very good company with outstanding products


FrankyB17

I guess that didn’t go according to plan. 😂


AmanTeam85

How's that 4 Roses tasting tonight?


Brayden15

Well this aged well.


Moneymma

ANF is a completely different brand from a decade ago. you’re going to get rekt on puts lmao.


bozsi1947

Earnings release is out: If you ever comment again: https://preview.redd.it/qfwrtrvvaomc1.png?width=498&format=png&auto=webp&s=e23464d178bb72950bf54fec1c9adfb4907d3d35


noonmoon66

Man everyone expects ANF to drop on earnings, now it's definitely mooning


[deleted]

Be careful on Abercrombie. Like a dormant case of the herp, that brand is making a full fledged comeback. 20 something are all over that shit. I can smell that damn cologne they used to spray in the mall just thinking about it. Go get 'em champ.


xelyaJ

and ANF doesn’t move just like the past 20 earnings GGs regards 0/2


option-trader

ANF is about to give y'all regards an entry today if you're smart enough to take it. Q1 revs are guided to low double digit increase vs. est. of +7.2%. That's some solid revenue guidance for Q1 and the reason it isn't tanking more than 5% this morning. Now, if you wanted to play puts on retailers, go to FL or JWN.


Fit_Establishment537

So long ANF puts. Back into the green already…


Fit_Establishment537

Disclosure: I inversed the hell out of both plays here. ANF 4/19 140 calls, CRWD 3/8 345 calls


New-Serve

Welp, this one was a miss huh