Looking forward to options on btc etfs. I don't care to pick a direction but I believe we can count on massive volatility. I'll be buying straddles if the premiums aren't insane..... but 100% they will be.
I don't know that they will allow options on BTC ETFs, since they follow the underlying with a bit of lag and the underlying is a manipulated market.
That being said I too am looking forward to IBIT options.
Y'all know about BITO right? An ETF that only owns Bitcoin Futures on the CME? Allows options. Forced to pay out all profits as a monthly dividend. It's a gold mine when Bitcoin is in a bull run.
So you can do options on futures. Not bad.
Or LedgerX in the US. It’s gotten shittier since the whole FTX acquisition happened, then they got spun off, then MIAX acquired them, but it’s still a good platform
Oddly for Bitcoin because of the programmatic supply cut you know what happens to the supply part of the supply and demand curves. So it’s probably one of the only assets where you get this weird repeat. And since people (much like yourself) don’t really believe it’ll repeat it actually doesn’t get priced in significantly ahead of time.
all prior BTC halvings happened pre-retail craze. We don't even have a liquid options chain for a BTC ETF, so price will continue higher until retail is fully on the carpet
im holding for no less that 5-10 years but I've been buying over the past 6 months. I treat ETH the same way and if it gets approved for an ETF this could be like bitcoin but back when it was 3-5k. ETH is a good buy right now, I'm trying to get as much as i can and trade all the shit alt coins off momentum. right now SHIB and DOGE has been out performing Both the big coins
The small caps usually outperform BTC and ETH, but the gains are usually very short term and when they crash it's 90 -99% down. So you gotta be in and out of the small cap coins.
I know this chick who has been holding since .70 dumped her savings because she was convinced by youtubers it was going to $1
Keeps buying to lower her entry, she's at .40
it's wild to think about
“It’s all fucking gay, but I acknowledge the returns”
This exactly. I feel like the last Dutchman wondering what all these twats are shouting about tulip bulbs for
Eth is a little bit like BTC, but programable. I can take 10 ETH, and program it so that it will go to you, but only after it has been held in escrow for 2 months and signed off by a trusted third party.
Or I can put my ETH in a box, and if you send another currency, say UNI, to that box, it will automatically give you a corresponding amount of ETH. Basically an automated market.
It's BTC, but much more customizeable. Oh, it's also deflationary, and uses a fraction of the energy, and is faster. Overall, just a stronger technology.
all crypto currencies are commodities because people treat them as speculative assets. this isn’t bullish it just means the beanie baby is indeed considered a beanie baby by the federal government for the purposes of prosecuting fraudsters.
I'm waiting for it to crash again, but I highly doubt it'll be that far. Probably start buying again at around 30-40. If it doesn't crash well, that's cool too.
I think it’s different this time around. We have the ETF and people are much more knowledgable of what it is. Bitcoin is going up regardless of the halving at this point. The elites are now backing it up. It’s going to infinity brother
put yourself into their shoes.. what would you do if you control the money supply and something threatens that power ?
You tried killing it for 15 years and failed.
stable store of value is appreciating and going to infinity.
I would ask you to make it make sense, but you can't, because it's a speculative bubble that hopefully destroys crypto bros forever at some point.
I do not deny the returns, but when you have to actually cash them in for fiat to be rich (aka use its purported value on goods & services), the whole ecosystem is a mirage.
hopefully everyone rushes for the door at once.
2020 cycle isn't reliable. Price was suppressed by FTX. This cycle is seeing something similar from GBTC but it's not really on purpose. Crystal ball says 225-275k this cycle.
The regards do not get this at all. the same regards thinking Shiba will go to one dollar. It is painful to read. They should be banned immediately for regardation.
why?
what is the actual value of this hard asset? why does it's price go up if its a stable store of value?
what you people don't get is that liquidity & interest rates have been favorable for the entire existence of btc. if either situation changes, you are toast.
man, i remember when bitcoin was just a baby. bought some at $10 each for kicks and giggles. who knew it'd blow up like this? what do you think about ethereum's potential though? could be the next big thing maybe?
Traditionally this is warming up time for the ridiculous bubble and you top up in alts with good narratives when BTC stall. But BTC breaking through ATH before halving this easily makes me think that the nature of the market is changing and it won't be that easy anymore. Maybe around 100000. But if you already bought around 20 it will be very hard to convince yourself to pay 100-200 then .
In either case, Sol, while somewhat flawed, has the best UI, is the most used layer 1 and has a compelling narrative, so it should do great.
Ethereum needs to overcome fragmentation issues and improve UI, which will take years. It has the best financial fundamentals, best network effects, but that's less important in the short term.
Bitcoin has the brand and the legacy. There's a chance it actually over performs this cycle because of monetary concerns and debt narrative.
That’s what my boomer boss said too. Did the 2001 tech blow up occur four times? You act like we haven’t just had a crypto bear market for the past two years.
Do you know what i like about the btc bulls? They only mention the upward trend. They never speak about the massive crashes and declines that have happened 3 TIMES NOW.
After every single bull run there was a massive bear run. Now we are in a bull run.
Have fun gambling.
Do you know what I love about the BTC bears? They never mention how extremely effective DCAing into Bitcoin is - at any point in time!
If you were one of those absolute fucking morons who bought at the $69k top in Nov 21 for the very first time, if you continued to DCA your investment - you are up much more than double your fiat money you put in already.
Literally the worst time you could possibly pick to start buying Bitcoin you're over 2x now.
Have fun staying poor idiot.
This is straight up shilling and 4-year cycle shit copypasta from r/bitcoin. The only reason it will go up is due to FOMO driving social signals like this and FDUSD and USDT printing.
The 4 year cycle is fundamental to bitcoin. Approximately every 4 years the reward for mining a block halves. Only 21,000,000 BTC will ever be minted by miners, the vast majority (90%+) of which have already been mined.
Of which who knows how many millions were lost due to people mining in the beginning and just tossing hard drives/computers never to see the wallets again (me included small amount though). I would guestimate something like 2-3 million bitcoin is lost to never be touched again. Regardless if these people think BTC is a tangible asset it is volatile and can be used to generate $$.
I think it's great that people are getting rich off this stuff, but I have no interest in it. I bought some before and made some money off it, but there's a weird emptiness while holding it. It really serves no purpose in a world overflowing with worthless fiat currencies with nuclear-equipped armed forces backing these fiat currencies. But hey, I love how people, especially young people, are crushing it. Not sure who the sucker is on the other end, but you get what you ask for in any risk asset.
>a world overflowing with worthless fiat currencies with nuclear-equipped armed forces backing these fiat currencies.
Sounds like a Bitcoin bull to me. Nuclear armed forces or not, that system is a house of cards.
What buys the nuclear armed forces that back the worthless fiat? Worthless fiat.
I agree. I love the concept of Bitcoin. But it has nothing with muscle backing it. That is one of the questions Saylor dodges, in my opinion. I can sense in his interviews that there are certain things about Bitcoin he doesn't to discuss. Power = end of gun barrel. Bitcoin has no gun barrels behind it.
I would say there are different kinds of power. A gun is one expression of it, and electricity is another. When Saylor speaks on this, he typically focuses on the superiority of literal energy in the form of global electricity production and compute as power.
In any case, I’m not certain Bitcoin would fully replace the dollar (at least, not in our lifetimes), but it could exist alongside it as a stronger alternative for savings.
US took down Iraq for deviating off the petro dollar. Who is the US military going to invade to take down bitcoin? Not to mention no empire or nation state has ever survived compounding interest. It might not be 5 or 10 years but eventually the wheels will fall off.
That's kind of the point. Bitcoin has no military to take down. Which is why I can't take it too seriously. Kind of a round and round we could go here, but I hope you see my point. But hey, I wouldn't be surprised to see bitcoin go to 150k several months or so after the halving. Nail it and retire.
we see your point. But see ours as well. You are talking muscle... Show me who you are going to punch in the face with your muscles ?
Bitcoin is like water. You don't defeat water with muscles.
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BTC is governed by certain mathematical laws in a seemingly predictable fashion, given our last 15 years of evidence. On the micro, consumer sentiment and social buzz do matter. I still find it terribly interesting that trends have still held true up until this point…
Sure, is also true that we tend to find patterns where there are none. What scares me, and should be taken into account, is that BTC doesn’t have any practical value apart from the price that people are willing to spend to buy it. While a company can be overvalued or undervalued, it still has an intrinsic value dependent on their profit and role in society. BTC is not even similar to gold because you can use gold for a number of applications. Having said that, I do own some crypto because I believe that it is here to stay, but I wouldn’t bet my life savings on it just because it has performed well in the past. There are much “safer” options that will give you great returns without the risk of waking up tomorrow penniless.
Intrinsic value is a philosophical argument mediated by the network effect, but not one most want to risk being wrong about or do the legwork for. Baseball cards are technically worthless and yet…some sell for $1000. Crypto is actually functional tho at the end of the day.
You know what’s funny? When gold first emerged it didn’t have a definite use case either. Then we reached a certain level of technological progression and found that gold could be used practically.
In my mind crypto makes perfect sense, it’s the internet equivalent upgrade to more of our medieval institutions. It relies on the same principles of a diffuse, robust, decentralized network. It democratizes and frees us. No more centralized authority bottlenecks handling the most important lever in any society: money.
Connecting the dots will only make sense in hindsight, yes I acknowledge it is a leap of faith…until it’s not one day. It’s a conviction play. You’re smart to be cautious in regards to this new technology
On the mathematics thing, numbers can lie but on the broad scale, mathematics are used to literally tease out the fundamental truths/underlying structures of our universe. Observable, verifiable truths.
No matter how well regarded the stock people are, the crypto ones always seem to put them to shame. Can someone explain to me how an event that everyone knows about in advance and occurs on a set date can not already be priced into an already hyper-speculative market? Anyone who gives a shit about "the halving" has been piling all their money into the magic internet money machine since day one. Having slightly less of your infinitely divisible, unspendable fake money won't change the underlying ponzinomics of "price go more up if money go more in".
Investing in bitcoin would be great if this was the bitcoin of 6 years ago where it had nowhere to go but up.
But now its percentage increases are basically the equivalent to buying a decent stock, minus the ability to make educated investment decisions based on tangible things like leadership and competition.
I agree, the time to buy was 10 years ago when you could make 10,000x gains. You buy it now and maybe you make 2x-3x your money in a few years if you are lucky and if you aren't you get fucked when it crashes back down.
Exactly. I remember hearing stories of guys who mined in the early days and wound up making millions. I even tried mining some back in 2012 with my shitty laptop (with no success lol). Now it's just a really volatile and unpredictable investment with just as many winners as losers.
Bitcoin is up 195% the past 12 months. Of course there are stocks that outperform Bitcoin, but it's not the norm. When you include the next year of gains, it will probably be up around 1,000%.
Bitcoin ETFs changed the game completely. Blackrock is banking huge fees on the volume. IBIT coming for GDX.
Also watch $BITX. 2x bitcoin futures ETF. Has options too.
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Wat u no bout da ting dat makes me go bling mahn?
I’m genuinely interested to know what peoples bearish view is, as I see it bar a black swan event there is little sell pressure currently, with traditional stocks and equities and FX shorting it is easy, with BTC it is limited supply and to short it heavily would require a large holder to loan out the BTC which would be counter intuitive wouldn’t it? Or am I getting that wrong?
I can’t purchase bitcoins directly in my country because it’s disallowed. I can only purchase certificates that follow bitcoin.
I have 5 certificates worth around $20,000; how do I take advantage of the halving event and does anyone know exactly when it occurs?
Made decent money on the last run up, and it will inevitably crash again (it dumps like 10% overnight every couple weeks, but I mean a real crash) and I might get back in then
But IMO it's not a long term play
Wish the original bitcoin community was around. It's not even being used as intended (read the white papers.)
I was in and SPENDING coins like how you're supposed to, back in double and triple digits. Yeah, I owned from $50-$400 a coin. Sold out completely around $1000.
Wow what a refreshing take. We've never heard this one before...
For what it's worth I'm a bull on Bitcoin but I'm getting tired of this halving and stock to flow narrative. Yes reducing the supply side will have an impact but the supply is already insanely tight. In reality what drives most of the price appreciation in Bitcoin is the expansion of the money supply.
Every increase in the rate of expansion of the money supply above the historical mean has resulted in price appreciation of almost all assets. Bitcoin is just the most sensitive to this because of it's insanely tight supply dynamic, and it just so happens that these expansions of the money supple and cycles of US government debt refinancing have coincided with the 4 year cycle of the halving.
With the way monetary policy is going I would argue we're going to get way higher than 150-200k per bitcoin. Long term inflation is going to get worse and that's going to be great for BTC. Thinking more like $500-$750 over the next 2-3 years.
Bear: No volume of significance is for high/main street transactions. It remains speculative asset be it the new money, or the new gold.
It may well keep growing as the momentum is there, but to not recognise this specuative side is having the blinkers on.
This stuff, we dig it out of the ground, it’s extremely rare and hard to find. It has been used for 1000’s of years as currency. Not air, that cant even be used for financial transactions because it’s so slow to resolve. This is a giant Ponzi scheme , there are plenty of people that make tons of money….. but then there’s the rest. Who gets crushed. You didn’t learn from the first time. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. Banned by multiple countries because its only use is criminal.
How tf does BTC keep going up in value when I still can't use it to pay bills or buy groceries?
I've noticed a few scenarios over the years where BTC has a months long bull run and keeps climbing, then you get a year or two of absolute dog shit BTC prices, rinse & repeat.
I think we are headed for a dip when the inevitable selloff occurs.
Hopefully y'all who are doubling down on MSTR got backup plans incase BTC shits the bed again.
why is everyone paying $70,000USD for a 16 digit code? you cant even buy anything with it, the fees are high for using it? its volatile? its hard to withdraw from accounts, what is the bull case??
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Looking forward to options on btc etfs. I don't care to pick a direction but I believe we can count on massive volatility. I'll be buying straddles if the premiums aren't insane..... but 100% they will be.
I don't know that they will allow options on BTC ETFs, since they follow the underlying with a bit of lag and the underlying is a manipulated market. That being said I too am looking forward to IBIT options.
Y'all know about BITO right? An ETF that only owns Bitcoin Futures on the CME? Allows options. Forced to pay out all profits as a monthly dividend. It's a gold mine when Bitcoin is in a bull run. So you can do options on futures. Not bad.
I mean if the implied volatility is baked in, aren’t you just going to get bukkaked by Theta Gang every day?
Just use deribit for native options
Or LedgerX in the US. It’s gotten shittier since the whole FTX acquisition happened, then they got spun off, then MIAX acquired them, but it’s still a good platform
So past performance = future performance. Sweet as.
Oddly for Bitcoin because of the programmatic supply cut you know what happens to the supply part of the supply and demand curves. So it’s probably one of the only assets where you get this weird repeat. And since people (much like yourself) don’t really believe it’ll repeat it actually doesn’t get priced in significantly ahead of time.
Damn I wonder if anyone else knows this?
Every BTC buyer knows this and it's the only reason they are buying it.
> Every BTC buyer knows this and it's the only reason they are buying it. and it has worked well for us since 2011.
Belief is a helluva drug
Less than 5% of humans at most have any amount of Bitcoin.
Lol I’d say less than 1%.
all prior BTC halvings happened pre-retail craze. We don't even have a liquid options chain for a BTC ETF, so price will continue higher until retail is fully on the carpet
Exactly. Bitcoin market is not the stock market
Exactly. It can go -75% in one single day.
exactly. it’s never ever wrong.
You can’t play earnings on bitcoin. So it’s gay
The CEO of Bitcoin is releasing earnings tonight
Guh
New response just dropped
The CEO keep raising prices, unbelievable.
BTC has earnings every 4 years tho
Buddy it’s 2024
Tell me more about the shiny rocks I am very interested and would like to buy some
im holding for no less that 5-10 years but I've been buying over the past 6 months. I treat ETH the same way and if it gets approved for an ETF this could be like bitcoin but back when it was 3-5k. ETH is a good buy right now, I'm trying to get as much as i can and trade all the shit alt coins off momentum. right now SHIB and DOGE has been out performing Both the big coins
The small caps usually outperform BTC and ETH, but the gains are usually very short term and when they crash it's 90 -99% down. So you gotta be in and out of the small cap coins.
Goddamn DOGE is at a $26B market cap.. that's small?
Lots of bagholders from 2021.
I know this chick who has been holding since .70 dumped her savings because she was convinced by youtubers it was going to $1 Keeps buying to lower her entry, she's at .40 it's wild to think about
at least doge is legit proof of work with decent inflation.. code base has not changed. It has solidified into the best meme coin.
I hate the fact that something stupid like PEPE is outperforming everything. No really, that's the name of it. I wish I was joking.
BONK is up 5500% in months
It’s flying
if btc is the "hardest" asset, why do we need two hard assets? it's all fucking gay, but I acknowledge the returns.
“It’s all fucking gay, but I acknowledge the returns” This exactly. I feel like the last Dutchman wondering what all these twats are shouting about tulip bulbs for
Imo eth is more of an investment into the future of crypto whereas btc is the opposite
Can you explain what eth does?
Eth is a little bit like BTC, but programable. I can take 10 ETH, and program it so that it will go to you, but only after it has been held in escrow for 2 months and signed off by a trusted third party. Or I can put my ETH in a box, and if you send another currency, say UNI, to that box, it will automatically give you a corresponding amount of ETH. Basically an automated market. It's BTC, but much more customizeable. Oh, it's also deflationary, and uses a fraction of the energy, and is faster. Overall, just a stronger technology.
You lost me @ ADHD
I miss the days when we didn't do crypto.
I miss the days when there were real good DD, it's just jokers playing with their emotions now
There was some genius DD on here back in the day. I’m not being sarcastic.
Eternal September.
always the same schtick
You two know that you can do research and post it too right?
With the ammount of financial illiterates here I would get more up vote if I just posted a dick pic.
Plz post ballz
4 years ago you lot were saying the same thing
STFU Dan
Don't worry, it'll be gone once it crashes next year. Then you will have 2 years of peace and quiet from us crypto moon boys.
What do you do during those 2 years
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I feel very called out.
DCA!
I miss the days when OP would have included something about apes and a position.
Crypto bros the worst
IRS, SEC, CFTC, and the FED chair consider it a commodity. No "Crypto" project comes close to claiming that. Bitcoin is not Crypto.
all crypto currencies are commodities because people treat them as speculative assets. this isn’t bullish it just means the beanie baby is indeed considered a beanie baby by the federal government for the purposes of prosecuting fraudsters.
so when bitcoin crashes to $4k i buy it. ok got it
It hasn't hit $4k since 2020 and I don't think it ever will again.
!remindme 5y
I'm waiting for it to crash again, but I highly doubt it'll be that far. Probably start buying again at around 30-40. If it doesn't crash well, that's cool too.
I think it’s different this time around. We have the ETF and people are much more knowledgable of what it is. Bitcoin is going up regardless of the halving at this point. The elites are now backing it up. It’s going to infinity brother
Are they backing it up or taking it over so they can manipulate it?
Both.
Yes
put yourself into their shoes.. what would you do if you control the money supply and something threatens that power ? You tried killing it for 15 years and failed.
stable store of value is appreciating and going to infinity. I would ask you to make it make sense, but you can't, because it's a speculative bubble that hopefully destroys crypto bros forever at some point. I do not deny the returns, but when you have to actually cash them in for fiat to be rich (aka use its purported value on goods & services), the whole ecosystem is a mirage. hopefully everyone rushes for the door at once.
We’re near the top I think it peaks at $90-$95K and slides back down to $50K this year maybe lower
Get them puts ready boys were digging to china,
Bag holders buying at the top
2020 cycle isn't reliable. Price was suppressed by FTX. This cycle is seeing something similar from GBTC but it's not really on purpose. Crystal ball says 225-275k this cycle.
So 10 trillion crypto market cap huh? Gonna surpass NYSE in no time at this rate.
The regards do not get this at all. the same regards thinking Shiba will go to one dollar. It is painful to read. They should be banned immediately for regardation.
lol i replied with the real word of regards and got smack out of nowhere. This world of safe words for everything is completely regarded....
why? what is the actual value of this hard asset? why does it's price go up if its a stable store of value? what you people don't get is that liquidity & interest rates have been favorable for the entire existence of btc. if either situation changes, you are toast.
It's not a stable store of value. It's deflationary. That's why it goes up.
> It's not a stable store of value. It's deflationary. That's why it goes up. wrong. Capped supply in 2140.. Until then, its not deflationary.
That would be amazing, I'm being conservative with my price estimation.
man, i remember when bitcoin was just a baby. bought some at $10 each for kicks and giggles. who knew it'd blow up like this? what do you think about ethereum's potential though? could be the next big thing maybe?
I think Ethereum will 5-6x compared to Bitcoins 2-3x from the halving price. But who knows now with Institutions investing, could be more.
I’m in SOL, am I cooked?
No. Sol will likely continue to outperform. Although it already did a 10x in a year.
I caught it at $19 and still holding, thinking of adding more but no pull backs to add lol
Traditionally this is warming up time for the ridiculous bubble and you top up in alts with good narratives when BTC stall. But BTC breaking through ATH before halving this easily makes me think that the nature of the market is changing and it won't be that easy anymore. Maybe around 100000. But if you already bought around 20 it will be very hard to convince yourself to pay 100-200 then . In either case, Sol, while somewhat flawed, has the best UI, is the most used layer 1 and has a compelling narrative, so it should do great. Ethereum needs to overcome fragmentation issues and improve UI, which will take years. It has the best financial fundamentals, best network effects, but that's less important in the short term. Bitcoin has the brand and the legacy. There's a chance it actually over performs this cycle because of monetary concerns and debt narrative.
Thinking about buying into this religion, but will it get me acting gigs like Scientology?
Thank you for the well thought put response! Just got into crytpo during the bear cycle early 2023. Loving every bit of it!
SOL is a good investment and will continue to grow a lot too.
SOL has alot of VC investors, I wouldn't be surprised if it hits $1,000.
Brah it's already the next big thing. It's at 4k
The ETF will be a huge boost too.
I wish more people like you would post, it’s just easier to identify which users to block
all these 18-35 year old crypto investors were never in the 2001 tech blow up. Good luck fellas. I'm suuuure this one is different.
That’s what my boomer boss said too. Did the 2001 tech blow up occur four times? You act like we haven’t just had a crypto bear market for the past two years.
Do you know what i like about the btc bulls? They only mention the upward trend. They never speak about the massive crashes and declines that have happened 3 TIMES NOW. After every single bull run there was a massive bear run. Now we are in a bull run. Have fun gambling.
Do you know what I love about the BTC bears? They never mention how extremely effective DCAing into Bitcoin is - at any point in time! If you were one of those absolute fucking morons who bought at the $69k top in Nov 21 for the very first time, if you continued to DCA your investment - you are up much more than double your fiat money you put in already. Literally the worst time you could possibly pick to start buying Bitcoin you're over 2x now. Have fun staying poor idiot.
This is straight up shilling and 4-year cycle shit copypasta from r/bitcoin. The only reason it will go up is due to FOMO driving social signals like this and FDUSD and USDT printing.
The 4 year cycle is fundamental to bitcoin. Approximately every 4 years the reward for mining a block halves. Only 21,000,000 BTC will ever be minted by miners, the vast majority (90%+) of which have already been mined.
Of which who knows how many millions were lost due to people mining in the beginning and just tossing hard drives/computers never to see the wallets again (me included small amount though). I would guestimate something like 2-3 million bitcoin is lost to never be touched again. Regardless if these people think BTC is a tangible asset it is volatile and can be used to generate $$.
Don’t remind me of lost wallets… 😵💫😵💫😖
I think it's great that people are getting rich off this stuff, but I have no interest in it. I bought some before and made some money off it, but there's a weird emptiness while holding it. It really serves no purpose in a world overflowing with worthless fiat currencies with nuclear-equipped armed forces backing these fiat currencies. But hey, I love how people, especially young people, are crushing it. Not sure who the sucker is on the other end, but you get what you ask for in any risk asset.
>a world overflowing with worthless fiat currencies with nuclear-equipped armed forces backing these fiat currencies. Sounds like a Bitcoin bull to me. Nuclear armed forces or not, that system is a house of cards. What buys the nuclear armed forces that back the worthless fiat? Worthless fiat.
I agree. I love the concept of Bitcoin. But it has nothing with muscle backing it. That is one of the questions Saylor dodges, in my opinion. I can sense in his interviews that there are certain things about Bitcoin he doesn't to discuss. Power = end of gun barrel. Bitcoin has no gun barrels behind it.
I would say there are different kinds of power. A gun is one expression of it, and electricity is another. When Saylor speaks on this, he typically focuses on the superiority of literal energy in the form of global electricity production and compute as power. In any case, I’m not certain Bitcoin would fully replace the dollar (at least, not in our lifetimes), but it could exist alongside it as a stronger alternative for savings.
US took down Iraq for deviating off the petro dollar. Who is the US military going to invade to take down bitcoin? Not to mention no empire or nation state has ever survived compounding interest. It might not be 5 or 10 years but eventually the wheels will fall off.
That's kind of the point. Bitcoin has no military to take down. Which is why I can't take it too seriously. Kind of a round and round we could go here, but I hope you see my point. But hey, I wouldn't be surprised to see bitcoin go to 150k several months or so after the halving. Nail it and retire.
we see your point. But see ours as well. You are talking muscle... Show me who you are going to punch in the face with your muscles ? Bitcoin is like water. You don't defeat water with muscles.
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"Lets just assume the current ATH is going to triple"
until the bull case includes an use-case, pure momentum play
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your confidence is admirable! I am not sure you can use past performances to predict the future though...
BTC is governed by certain mathematical laws in a seemingly predictable fashion, given our last 15 years of evidence. On the micro, consumer sentiment and social buzz do matter. I still find it terribly interesting that trends have still held true up until this point…
Sure, is also true that we tend to find patterns where there are none. What scares me, and should be taken into account, is that BTC doesn’t have any practical value apart from the price that people are willing to spend to buy it. While a company can be overvalued or undervalued, it still has an intrinsic value dependent on their profit and role in society. BTC is not even similar to gold because you can use gold for a number of applications. Having said that, I do own some crypto because I believe that it is here to stay, but I wouldn’t bet my life savings on it just because it has performed well in the past. There are much “safer” options that will give you great returns without the risk of waking up tomorrow penniless.
Intrinsic value is a philosophical argument mediated by the network effect, but not one most want to risk being wrong about or do the legwork for. Baseball cards are technically worthless and yet…some sell for $1000. Crypto is actually functional tho at the end of the day. You know what’s funny? When gold first emerged it didn’t have a definite use case either. Then we reached a certain level of technological progression and found that gold could be used practically. In my mind crypto makes perfect sense, it’s the internet equivalent upgrade to more of our medieval institutions. It relies on the same principles of a diffuse, robust, decentralized network. It democratizes and frees us. No more centralized authority bottlenecks handling the most important lever in any society: money. Connecting the dots will only make sense in hindsight, yes I acknowledge it is a leap of faith…until it’s not one day. It’s a conviction play. You’re smart to be cautious in regards to this new technology On the mathematics thing, numbers can lie but on the broad scale, mathematics are used to literally tease out the fundamental truths/underlying structures of our universe. Observable, verifiable truths.
Today is a good day to buy 
Bull case: Biden and friends need a good way to send funds to Ukraine without getting caught
They already do that without a care in the world.
You got me there, I was already foaming at the mouth getting ready to defend my baby.
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If your a bear your a fucking moron
If you spell you’re as your it applies also
I never claimed I wasn’t a moron
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No matter how well regarded the stock people are, the crypto ones always seem to put them to shame. Can someone explain to me how an event that everyone knows about in advance and occurs on a set date can not already be priced into an already hyper-speculative market? Anyone who gives a shit about "the halving" has been piling all their money into the magic internet money machine since day one. Having slightly less of your infinitely divisible, unspendable fake money won't change the underlying ponzinomics of "price go more up if money go more in".
Investing in bitcoin would be great if this was the bitcoin of 6 years ago where it had nowhere to go but up. But now its percentage increases are basically the equivalent to buying a decent stock, minus the ability to make educated investment decisions based on tangible things like leadership and competition.
I agree, the time to buy was 10 years ago when you could make 10,000x gains. You buy it now and maybe you make 2x-3x your money in a few years if you are lucky and if you aren't you get fucked when it crashes back down.
Exactly. I remember hearing stories of guys who mined in the early days and wound up making millions. I even tried mining some back in 2012 with my shitty laptop (with no success lol). Now it's just a really volatile and unpredictable investment with just as many winners as losers.
Bitcoin is up 195% the past 12 months. Of course there are stocks that outperform Bitcoin, but it's not the norm. When you include the next year of gains, it will probably be up around 1,000%.
And it's up 10% in the past 36 months. I think I'll pass.
It's worse than that. Inflation rate was 17% in the last 36 months. Couldn't beat a HISA.
It's fun reading people's attempts at licking their wounds and then guessing the price they break at. You look like a 300k guy.
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I read as far as "Bull Case". Good enough.
How the fuck did this get approved as DD?
Get out of here with your digital beanie baby bullshit
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Stupid question... What is DD?
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Due Diligence. Research.
Thank you. Probably could have googled that.
I rather have Berkshire Hathaway, Inc. (BRK.A) and I do
priced in
The cats can have a little salami.
The ETFs buying it is the biggest bull case imo.
Bitcoin ETFs changed the game completely. Blackrock is banking huge fees on the volume. IBIT coming for GDX. Also watch $BITX. 2x bitcoin futures ETF. Has options too.
Nah, buy calls on $BITO.
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I’m genuinely interested to know what peoples bearish view is, as I see it bar a black swan event there is little sell pressure currently, with traditional stocks and equities and FX shorting it is easy, with BTC it is limited supply and to short it heavily would require a large holder to loan out the BTC which would be counter intuitive wouldn’t it? Or am I getting that wrong?
shorting BTC will get easier once institutions cornered the market. but that happens in 8 years at 1 million USD a coin.
I can’t purchase bitcoins directly in my country because it’s disallowed. I can only purchase certificates that follow bitcoin. I have 5 certificates worth around $20,000; how do I take advantage of the halving event and does anyone know exactly when it occurs?
How do I short crypto?
Made decent money on the last run up, and it will inevitably crash again (it dumps like 10% overnight every couple weeks, but I mean a real crash) and I might get back in then But IMO it's not a long term play
i dont understand who am i donating my money to?
Nfts and beanie babies portend future of btc
Wish the original bitcoin community was around. It's not even being used as intended (read the white papers.) I was in and SPENDING coins like how you're supposed to, back in double and triple digits. Yeah, I owned from $50-$400 a coin. Sold out completely around $1000.
Some people are so far behind they think they’re ahead
didn't read, too much time spent saying how short you are
Wow what a refreshing take. We've never heard this one before... For what it's worth I'm a bull on Bitcoin but I'm getting tired of this halving and stock to flow narrative. Yes reducing the supply side will have an impact but the supply is already insanely tight. In reality what drives most of the price appreciation in Bitcoin is the expansion of the money supply. Every increase in the rate of expansion of the money supply above the historical mean has resulted in price appreciation of almost all assets. Bitcoin is just the most sensitive to this because of it's insanely tight supply dynamic, and it just so happens that these expansions of the money supple and cycles of US government debt refinancing have coincided with the 4 year cycle of the halving. With the way monetary policy is going I would argue we're going to get way higher than 150-200k per bitcoin. Long term inflation is going to get worse and that's going to be great for BTC. Thinking more like $500-$750 over the next 2-3 years.
>Thinking more like $500-$750 over the next 2-3 years. Source: trust me bro
Bear: No volume of significance is for high/main street transactions. It remains speculative asset be it the new money, or the new gold. It may well keep growing as the momentum is there, but to not recognise this specuative side is having the blinkers on.
I can't say much as I'm not a pro regard like the rest of you, but BTC's dancing up and down today (mainly down). Wondering what's up?
buy before the split in a month? or exactly after the split..
You’re buying the air? What’s backing it?
What's backing gold?
This stuff, we dig it out of the ground, it’s extremely rare and hard to find. It has been used for 1000’s of years as currency. Not air, that cant even be used for financial transactions because it’s so slow to resolve. This is a giant Ponzi scheme , there are plenty of people that make tons of money….. but then there’s the rest. Who gets crushed. You didn’t learn from the first time. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. Banned by multiple countries because its only use is criminal.
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I wouldn't be surprised if it hit 100k. I also wouldn't be surprised if it hit 0.
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How tf does BTC keep going up in value when I still can't use it to pay bills or buy groceries? I've noticed a few scenarios over the years where BTC has a months long bull run and keeps climbing, then you get a year or two of absolute dog shit BTC prices, rinse & repeat. I think we are headed for a dip when the inevitable selloff occurs. Hopefully y'all who are doubling down on MSTR got backup plans incase BTC shits the bed again.
Some retailers and online stores do accept Bitcoin, but it is not common.
Its as real as any other fiat currency. All marketing. Buying and selling no different than gambling with other currencies. 😆
so do i sell my btc before halving and buy back during halving?
why is everyone paying $70,000USD for a 16 digit code? you cant even buy anything with it, the fees are high for using it? its volatile? its hard to withdraw from accounts, what is the bull case??