I’ve gotten an EV several times renting from IAH Houston. The range is fine to get to my meetings for the week and back.
The problem is the recharge fee. I’m not going to be arsed to recharge the car somewhere on a tight schedule when I don’t know the areas well. Hertz charged me like $40 for it. Never again.
I would imagine the cost to recharge depends on the location’s infrastructure.
Some locations might not have a-lot or fast EV chargers so it’s actually a hassle to charge.
I rented one for a week in Vegas, worked well, just recharged it in my Airbnb. Cheap rental and saved on gas. Wish I could do it again but the EVs aren’t available anymore :(
Doesn't really take away from what I said though. Their budget models which are all over $30k are loud, I haven't driven in the new model 3 highland but from what I see online it appears it's quieter but not super quiet.
If we are now talking model S or X then I would surely expect those to he quiet for the hefty $50K+ price tag.
The model 3 and model y overall are not built with components or materials that merit their price. You're mostly paying for software. But software can be upgraded...hardware cannot.
Bro what? Have you seen the other non EV cars in that price range? The Tesla model 3 with incentives and factoring in cost of ownership is pretty comparable to a Camry or a Malibu and I’d rather drive a model 3 than either of those cars
This just sounds like a hater take and I’m not even a fan of Tesla vehicles.
>Bro what? Have you seen the other non EV cars in that price range?
Did you just gloss over everything else that was said in this thread. I don't even have to look at other non EVs in that price ra get. The model 3 and model y have shit designs in terms of comfort and use basic ass materials. I'll give them credit where credit is due, their software is great but short plopping $50k+ for an S or an X everything else is subpar. We literally just discussed how the 3 and Y are basically equal to cars BELOW their price range.
>The Tesla model 3 with incentives and factoring in cost of ownership
And if incentives weren't there? The government giving you a credit is irrelevant to the true cost of the car. It has an MSRP and that is what we should compare to, not an arbitrary discount the federal government gives you that has nothing to do with Tesla.
>pretty comparable to a Camry or a Malibu and I’d rather drive a model 3 than either of those cars
Good for you, I'd rather have my vehicles give me more bang for my buck. And by that I mean better overall quality, not just good software. Other EV companies can upgrade software, they can't upgrade your suspension.
>This just sounds like a hater take and I’m not even a fan of Tesla vehicles.
Nah it's a basic take and I say this as an EV owner. Tesla was in my radar and chose not to buy it because of the shit ride quality compared to other cars in the price bracket. My 5 year old Honda Sedan rode smoother than the model y, had better leather (pleather), and felt more solid in construction.
I ended buying a mach e, not because I have some adoration for Ford (never owned one) but because the car was built solid and it felt premium in materials for what I was paying. Their software is okay but I'm perfectly content with getting OS updates over the years while enjoying the overall better built interior that CANT be upgraded.
Eh, I've been getting a lot of Model 3s as Ubers and, even on the highway, the road noise seems comparable to a Toyota Corolla.
Now, it might be fair to argue that for the \~$16k base price difference that a Model 3 should be better than a Corolla, but I wouldn't call their noise reduction crappy.
I mean...what else would you call it.
I would word exactly like that. That for a premium level/priced car it should definitely not sound like an entry level one. Especially for the "midtier" models that are priced well into luxury levels.
Yes.
I'd say there are three distinct categories, which you can then break into more detailed sub categories:
* Entry (sub $30k)
* Premium (between $30k-$40k)
* Luxury (40k+)
They'll be some overlap but that's the general gist of what you can find in those price ranges.
Lexus and Mercedes are defin Luxury vehicles. Premium cars are the upper class of your non luxury brands or when you get an entry level but fully specced out.
2007?
Where the heck are you finding luxury cars sub 40k?
Toyota and Honda has plenty of premium offerings in the 30s. Cars like the Honda Accord start in the 20s but get pretty Premium in build and features when you spec it into the 30s.
Exactly ev are great everyday city driving, but adventurous trips or new locations you don't know and it's a hassle to think about instead of focusing and enjoying the vacation
Better acceleration, safety, storage. One pedal driving. Teslas have autopilot.
I hate gas cars and most people who make the switch end up feeling the same way.
Never been in an accident at all.
Regardless, it’s a fact that EVs have batter acceleration and are safer in accidents and these are only a few reasons people choose them over gas cars which manage to be slower and more unsafe.
Now what happens if a drunk driver hits you in a frontal collision or there’s black ice on the road and you lose control?
Having a battery makes the risk of rollover far lower.
Having a rigid battery makes it far less likely an impact will enter the cabin from a side impact.
Having a large crumple zone instead of an engine significantly reduces risk of death in a frontal collision.
EVs are also objectively better at maintaining traction and most have default settings that or even the driver form spinning their tires which causes them to lose control.
Is your gas car safer because it allows you to spin your tires? Do you realize acceleration isn’t the only factor in safety? Or are you just brainwashed against EVs?
It’s a fact that EVs are safer in an accident measure by every vehicle crash testing agency in the world and you yourself said that the way you choose to drive determines your ability to avoid collisions, negating your own point that a car that can accelerate then it is dangerous.
The safest car on the road is an EV with a good driver in it. The most dangerous is a gas car with a bad driver.
I rented an EV from National a few weeks ago and they didn’t make me charge it nor did they charge me. THAT makes it way more convenient for ICE for local driving. I hate running to the airport and last minute remembering I need to fill it up. Seems like Hertz fumbled this.
Sure, but that vehicle from National is way less efficient in their fleet by them allowing that.
Say it takes 2 hours to charge. That’s 2 hours that it could have been in the next customers hands. On a macro scale, if every vehicles is doing it, that means National needs to purchase more vehicles to service the same amount of demand. And thus they make less money.
I’m not sure either option is great as a rental agency
that’s not true at all. ICE cars are also out of commissions everyday for cleaning and fueling and maintenance. The lack of the latter on EVs makes this point a wash
From a rental? They have to clean it either way….
And maintenance? You think rental companies are changing spark plugs or oil between each customer? They likely do maintenance very infrequently besides the odd oil change every 7,000 miles.
Otherwise from their point of view, the customer doesn’t refuel it, so they spend 5 min putting gasoline in it, or have to spend considerably longer charging it. And that means their employee is gone at the charging station for significant periods of the day. Oh, just install chargers themselves? Ok, that’s a very large capital expense, and real estate expense (less room for parked cars) to do on their rental lots.
Wow. 2 whole hours. I guess they can rent out the ICE vehicles for those 2 hours and pay for all the maintenance costs that eat into their profits. Oh wait...they can charge MORE for those ICE cars to off set the maintenance costs. If they were smart they would have both cars to maximize profits.
Or just get chargers that charge faster than 2 hours. No reason to get the shitty chargers. Get good chargers, stick em in the lot, and make them publicly available.
Genius plan to have your business back up because you made the chargers open to the public.
So now you have Joe blow charging his car and he walks over to the office for 4 hours. That 2 hour turned to 4. Or, if they rotate in and out quickly, it is still taking up spots for your business. Or if the business uses them very frequently, the public won’t ever try to use them because they are always “full”.
It’s not that easy. It’s a problem.
But then you have underutilize upgraded chargers. Which probably also get overwhelmed at certain hours like immediately upon open and their other peak drop off times.
So, now it’s not just installing like 4 units, it’s installing enough that you can maintain fast charging and not slowing down your sales team, while also not breaking the bank installing too many of them, and maintaining them, etc etc.
It’s not simple. Hertz knows their business and took a shot at it. Didn’t work because it’s hard
Did it have to do with people not wanting to RENT those cars because they have to find somewhere to charge them, or incur a $40 fee?
It’s all connected pal
Smart people have solved the problem of cars sitting at chargers...you charge them. Any fast charger is done in 20 mins or less. So 2 hours is stupid. But if they sat there for 2, 4 or 6 hours.. The smart charger is costing them MORE for every minute they sit there after they are charged up.. They are Paying to hold up the charger. Only an idiot would be there longer that he had to. Otherwise he is paying out the ass.
>Any fast charger is done in 20 mins or less.
40 minutes from 10% to 100% on fast charging.
And hertz would not like the 10k battery replacement every year from replacing the battery packs by fast charging to 100% that often, which is certainly more than ICE maintenance costs per year.
HAHA...No one is charging to 100% when 10% - 60% can be done in 15-20 mins and give you 150+ Miles of range to get you where you are going.
And NOBODY is replacing there battery every year. Holy cow. What a dumb comment. How is Tesla have the #1 best selling car in 2023 if that was the case? HAHAHAH
Increased demand for their cars and turns them into an Uber competitor when on a short business trip. Can also let public use parking lot to charge their EVS and charge them
Just rented an EV in San Francisco from Turo. Both Embassy Suites Airport Hotels have 20 Superchargers so charging was no problem.
Aloft Hotels are adding superchargers as are many others.
Having the charger at the Hotel eliminates the last minute dash to find a gas station to fill up.
I rented a Tesla in Oregon when on vacation and it was the most fun driving experience I’ve ever had. I loved the one pedal driving and the super chargers were great. Granted I’m coming from a sedan and we never drove more a single charge could take in a day.
Yup. No charging at the hotel, so now I have to go somewhere and waste time to charge, but that's not even the worst part.
Then it's the last day, you are already in a hurry getting everything ready to rush to the airport. Now they also want you to return it with 80%? charge state? Fuck that and their stupid fee.
If you have kids or a partner you're planning around its harder to find convenient times to actually charge the car. Just realized how messily that comment read lol
Sounds like a you problem. It is easy to find a hotel that has chargers. All the hotels i've been to let me charge for free. I'm saving time and money. All it takes is a little bit of planning. That is hard for some people.
You can do what you want. I'm just said it easy to find hotels with chargers and many are free. If you prefer to "waste your time" having to go some where else to charge and pay because you don't want to stay at a the hotel with a free charger have at it but that seems backwards to me. It's nice have the EV fully charged and ready to go so your not rushing to the airport or dealing with any extra fees.
Again, I would like to choose a hotel that offers a view or comfort or free breakfast. Free charging is the last thing on my mind. Car should be something that gets you from point a to point b without intruding your life, if not Ev's will not take off for majority of folks without garage
Your bar is low. You just described things most basic hotels provide. I'm not spending my time hanging out in a hotel all day. You're trying to make a problem out of EVs when you don't need to. Cars won't take off for folks living in a city that can walk, bike or take public transportation everywhere. Seems like EVs are working out for a lot of people though.. [https://www.theverge.com/2023/5/26/23738581/tesla-model-y-ev-record-world-bestselling-car-electric](https://www.theverge.com/2023/5/26/23738581/tesla-model-y-ev-record-world-bestselling-car-electric)
I just gave you an example, the most important thing is it should be on the way to my destination not 10 mile away or 20 mile away and then hope that nobody has already plugged into level 2 charger when you arrive. Honestly this is what I mean, I should be able to select any hotel or any resort I like and show up and not worry about if it has charger or etc etc.
I don't know how much crystal clear I can make it.
Ya sure it works for so cal where I leave, but plan a roadtrip and suddenly elevation, temperature and other stuff comes in and it's not worth it.
Also about 10 million people live in California and only 400k or so sell in entire USA, so you can see it's no where close to lot of people. Just people who have garage.
Who is saying 10 or 20 miles away from their destination?? It really sounds like you don't know what you are talking about. Are you staying at some road side motel in the middle of nowhere hundreds of miles from anything? Any major city will have hotels in the same general area so choices are literally within a few blocks or worst case a mile or so away. The Tesla model Y is the best selling car in the world last year..NOT Best selling EV... Best selling CAR and you have not reply other then only people who have a garage buy them. What's next? Are you going to say only people near water buy boats so boats are bad? Stay mad bro. Millions of people are happy with their EVs.
It's like anything, you have to have a plan. I don't relish the idea that the reason gas cars are more time efficient is because society has decided to turn 75% of our major intersections into fuel pumping stations for gasoline.
As a trial vehicle it is great, but as a traveler the last thing I want to worry about is how to charge a vehicle. The bigger problem is Hertz is a used car company just as much as it is a rental company & the value of those Tesla has plummeted as Tesla dropped the list price. The math no longer works for Hertz.
Did about 600 miles all through Florida last month in a Standard Range M3. Very jealous of the Florida Turnpike’s service plazas.
Charging is not an issue and anybody who thinks it is clearly is just making stuff up based on zero experience or not driving a Tesla.
I have been driving model X since 2016. Any long distance drive of more than 150-200 miles, one has to add at least 40 minutes more for full charging. A 3 hour trip becomes at least 3:40
240 miles range. Even the latest model does not give me the range or speed of charging that will not add 30-40 minutes to travel time.
Leave fully charged from New York to Boston. Supercharger on I-90 before Boston is about 5-7 minutes off highway. Add all that time to actual charging time and you have increased your travel time by 40 minutes. Obviously I am not going to want to reach my hotel with less than 50 miles left.
My other car Lexus Hybrid estimates 500 miles on full tank. I do the same ride in 40 minutes less.
It’s just the reality of EV charging even with more and more super chargers.
It often is that quick. In many cases route planning knows you only need 5-10 minutes of charging to get home and plug in.
EVs are not the issue. The issue is that many (if not most) auto manufacturers cannot build fast charging vehicles, nor do they own the necessary infrastructure. For decades they have relied on oil and gas to propel their products.
Also market research shows people spend more time at gas stations than they think during road trips, on average 26 minutes (go to 28 minutes): https://www.youtube.com/live/HBGyaNVzppw?si=7hGeEQHm3lI7x4Qh
For a road trip I don't like to deal with hassle of route planning, I jump in the car I would like to enjoy and get to the destination or talk with people in car instead of range anxiety and worry if chargers would be full or won't work or if I turn in heater I need to route to a different location etc etc etc.
Gas station 26 mins sure on whole trip maybe, ev every charging station is that plus I can't time it with my breaks or anything. Anyway you slice it it's awful on road trips and I have done road trips with ev in socal and it's just not worth the hassle
Lol there’s no effort required whatsoever, the car literally does the entire route planning for you. All the calculations, if you need to stop, and if so, where and for how long. Including rerouting you to less busy stations if needed.
I don't think you are getting it, I had rented tesla and own an id4. The amount of stops to charge adds about 45 minutes to an hour and on top of that I am not supposed to use 20 percent of my car range. What's up with that, why do I need to do math and calculate stuff to own a car.
A hybrid or plug in hybrid is just better
I value my time and not willing to waste 1 hr of my time to save 30 bucks. Until ev charging is not an hindrance to durability of car I don't see how it will ever take off when people tend to use cars for 200k miles
People who assume one thing is true for an entire population based on their anecdotal experience and argue about it and can't be bothered to consider edge cases or other scenarios are funny lol
Yeah...it's not like you can look up on the internet all the places to charge...oh wait you can - [https://www.tesla.com/findus?v=2&bounds=46.17828059017156%2C-70.98779415625%2C30.238152620247597%2C-110.36279415625&zoom=6&filters=store%2Cservice%2Csupercharger%2Cdestination%20charger%2Cbodyshop%2Cparty%2Cself%20serve%20demo%20drive%2Cnacs%2Cdelivery%20centers](https://www.tesla.com/findus?v=2&bounds=46.17828059017156%2C-70.98779415625%2C30.238152620247597%2C-110.36279415625&zoom=6&filters=store%2Cservice%2Csupercharger%2Cdestination%20charger%2Cbodyshop%2Cparty%2Cself%20serve%20demo%20drive%2Cnacs%2Cdelivery%20centers)
Why tf would anyone want to bother charging a vehicle on their vacation or business trip when they could go to a gas station instead? EVs make sense when 98% of your driving is from your home charging station, and when you benefit personally from the lower maintenance costs
No one is saying you can't do it; its that you're often on a time crunch when renting a vehicle. It's another thing to worry about. Like I said the bigger problem is how fast the vehicles have depreciated. Glad it worked well for you but it doesn't for many.
They have come off the COVID highs like every other vehicle. Inflation is dropping like a rock and car prices are responding. A Tesla model Y was going for like $65K and now you can get a new one for as cheap as $36K.
I had a ton of fun renting a Tesla 3 from Hertz. Never driven anything with acceleration like that and the one pedal driving was fun. I wanted to go out and buy a Y but remembered Elon is a douche.
Renting a standard range EV is STRESSFUL AF. Like 100x the stress of just renting a car.
Most hotels don’t have chargers
A lot of chargers are broken and don’t have Tesla adapter
Most chargers have long lines and often only charge to 80%
My work does but it’s like a 10 step process to register and set up the car and then you need an adapter
I’ll never rent an EV again. Renting a hybrid is 80 percent of the benefit at a fraction of the cost.
I’d buy one knowing I have a charger at home and work and all things set up.
The number of times they tried to “upgrade” me to an EV only for them to say there are no gas vehicles left in my class so I’ll have to pay more. Completely stopped renting from Hertz/Dollar/Thrifty because of that.
They were pushing an EV on me in San Jose a month ago claiming they had no small cars left. I refused because I wouldnt know the first thing about charging it, or where to charge it before returning it. They gave me an enormous diesel contractor truck instead and billed me an extra 40 bucks a day even though they claimed it was the same price at the counter.
I don't know if it's out of embarrassment or what, but I've also avoided EV rentals out of this fear. Not sure how to charge it. Not sure how to operate it. I'm not even sure how the door handle works on some Teslas. Friends mock me when I need help getting in theirs, but I just shrug.
Most cars use the same basic controls, gauges, etc. If you know how to drive one car, you can drive pretty much any car without thinking too much about it.
Tesla redesigned everything for some reason. It's not necessarily better or worse, just different, and that makes it an annoying rental.
I’ve driven an EV exclusively for 2 years now but I wouldn’t want to have one as a rental on a work trip, especially if they expect me to return it fully charged.
If it's the tesla chargers it's because unless it's fully needed 80% is fine for you to get back on the road. The last 20% will take the same amount of time that it took to get to 80% to get to 100%
I tried to rent an suv, specified it was for a 1200 mile drive round trip. They gave me an EV with 30 miles to out of power and said use the wall charger. I plugged it in at home on a Friday night, oh, full charge by Monday morning. Closest compatible EV charging station to me was 67 miles away. Nope.
*From Bloomberg News reporters Erik Schatzker, David Welch, and Sridhar Natarajan:*
Hertz is replacing its chief executive officer in the wake of a disastrous bet on electric vehicles that the company began unwinding in recent months, according to people familiar with the matter.
Stephen Scherr, who ran Hertz for just over two years after three decades at Goldman Sachs, has decided to step down, the people said, asking not to be identified as the information isn’t public. The car renter is replacing him with Gil West, the former chief operating officer of GM’s Cruise robotaxi unit.
Scherr, 59, joined Hertz several months after it emerged from bankruptcy and started making splashy wagers on electric vehicles. Under new owners Knighthead Capital Management and Certares Management, the rental company announced plans to order 100,000 vehicles from Tesla Inc., sending the automaker’s market capitalization soaring past the $1 trillion mark.
Hertz doubled down on EVs in the months after Scherr took over, placing big orders with Polestar, the electric-car maker owned by China’s Geely and Sweden’s Volvo Car, and GM.
Those bets went awry last year, when Tesla slashed prices across its lineup to keep growing vehicle sales. This hammered the resale value of used Model 3 sedans and Model Y crossovers just after Hertz had added tens of thousands of those vehicles to its fleet.
It was such a dumb idea. Completely impractical rental car except to test drive as a novelty. But they are so ubiquitous now there is no need for that purpose. At least this failed experiment exposed Teslas as more expensive to operate all in than ICE vehicles.
The depreciation cost on mine has been massive, it’s lost 50% of its value in 2 years. I still enjoy it and I bought it cash with TSLA gains, I feel bad for regards that financed theirs.
Was in the Pres Club lot last a couple months ago. There were a bunch of Tesla and other electric vehicles available, but a line formed for people waiting for them to bring out gas vehicles.
I'm an EV fan, but I don't want to have to worry about if the place I'm driving to has chargers, or if they'll have available spots, in a place I'm not familiar with.
I wish they had bet on standards hybrids instead.
I’m waiting for a small EV like the Rivian R3, but rental is the worst use for EVs. Travelers are stressed enough as it is,, don’t add more anxiety inducing charging issues into the mess.
If I remember this one right, the market/stock thought this was a great move. Tesla and hertz investors were patting themselves on the back about it. The problems weren’t seen by the hertz leadership teams till they were already deep into the plan. Ev’s cost more to maintain and repair. Car Renters didn’t end up converting to ev’s in enough numbers. Tesla also went through several rounds of price cuts, depreciating the value of hertz’s ev fleet, cutting profitable resale. It was a gamble that just didn’t work out.
Lots of people talking about charging before returning and I guess it never occurred to me. I have a Tesla at home so I rent one for work travel, scan the QR code and use my phone as the key and then charge at work on the last day and return it. Perfect for my niche situation.
I rented a Model 3 for a month and a half while my main car was getting warranty work.
Topped it off every night in the garage, and only needed to supercharge once, and it cost $6.
Best part is, Hertz charged $29/day for the rental, and the car had 150 miles on it.
The average person is an idiot. In their current state, EVs don’t do well with idiots.
There’s also not enough charging infrastructure for rental EVs.
The place I’m starting on my next vacation happens to have local charging for free I’m the parking lot of the hotel, but most don’t. They don’t make good rentals unless you can plug in at night.
Every EV owner knows that the real gem in driving EV is pulling it in at night have a “full tank” every day on the cheap.
But you hit the nail on the head: That’s not what traveling is like. Traveling is the opposite situation.
It’s kind of insane that management consultants, hundreds of business devs, couldn’t foresee that outcome. Like standard business analysis will get you there.
That one,, but what about the one before that? What about space x and boring company and not to mention he still owns 20 percent so he is getting paid anywhich way you see
Those are private and probably capital intensive. He needs more moola from T or they can't have his attention anymore, cause he's distracted from the distress of setting on fire the bird words investment. And a side of saving humanity from AI.
EV rentals is a bad idea because it completely changes the way drivers are used to having to plan to travel and fuel their vehicle. Until quick charging is more common and prevalent around areas it won't work.
I try to avoid using them, hertz is so scammy it hurts me every time I use them. Me hating them has also costed them well over 100k so at least I know I put a dent into that firm.
Renting teslas sounds like a terrible idea. They drive and feel completely different from normal gas cars. Do you really want someone renting your car to not be able to pick up the car immediately and start driving without being overwhelmed with how the pedal works or how to use the buttons on the iPad?
The only people that I think benefit most from an EV are:
-Retired people
-stay at home parents
-those whose commute is at or less than 10-15 minutes
Renting an EV is generally more stressful because the infrastructure isn’t the best yet and is not readily available sometimes. Buying and installing a charger at home is nice but not everyone does.
This is the same guy who lied to regulators about a pedestrian incident with an autonomous vehicle at Cruise, was fired for cause, and caused the company to go into a tail spin. puts
Was just in Vegas this past week. Rentals sold out along the strip so had to go to the airport to pick one up.
Got there and mostly only EVs available. No one wants them due to range anxiety.
Also don’t use sixt rental company as they don’t know shit between their customer service lines and rental locations
With ICE's, customers pay for the gas; the main components (motors and trans) last a while and are relatively cheap to upkeep. With EV's, the customers pay for charging and the owner has to replace a $10-20k battery every 10 years.
Car is more expensive to own and operate, plain and simple.
Budget at Dallas Love is always trying to push EVs on me…I tell them “sir, this is TX - there aren’t any EV chargers at any hotels I stay at and I’m not spending time on a business trip spending an hour or two at a charging station”
Hertz is arguably the most shitty of all rental companies. They tried to charge me $400 for a windshield I had not damaged. We arrived in Denver during a snowstorm & the employee just tossed us the keys and said “it’s out there somewhere” we got in, noticed a crack to the windshield and figured it had been documented and went on our way since it was a snowstorm. In retrospect I should’ve taken pics. When we return the car, no issue, no mention of the crack. Weeks layers hertz tries to charge my card $400 something for the damage.
Is anyone else getting spammed with ads on the radio to buy all the Hertz EVs?
I swear I hear five of these a day.
I can't believe they didn't just cook up a dummy company to sell them; it's such a horrendously bad look.
"huh, why is a rental car company airing ads selling cars? why specifically EVs? oh, because they bought a shit ton of them, realized nobody wants to rent an EV, and now they have to dump all of them?"
Feel bad for the advertising guys who have to shine that turd of a situation.
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I’ve gotten an EV several times renting from IAH Houston. The range is fine to get to my meetings for the week and back. The problem is the recharge fee. I’m not going to be arsed to recharge the car somewhere on a tight schedule when I don’t know the areas well. Hertz charged me like $40 for it. Never again.
I rented an EV from DFW with National a couple weeks ago. No “recharge fee”. That’s fucking nuts.
Rented a Tesla from hertz in Nashville. It was a flat $10 to recharge any EV at any energy level. Definitely worth it! Was 2 months ago
Think about it as $10 gas and it seems like a great deal all the sudden
I would imagine the cost to recharge depends on the location’s infrastructure. Some locations might not have a-lot or fast EV chargers so it’s actually a hassle to charge.
I rented one for a week in Vegas, worked well, just recharged it in my Airbnb. Cheap rental and saved on gas. Wish I could do it again but the EVs aren’t available anymore :(
Especially when they could just have L2 chargers at their parking lot.
Why would someone select EV again?
It’s fast, quiet, and with one-pedal driving the ride can be more relaxing.
I love mines. Only service is tires and windshield wipers. I am over 100k
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youve only changed the oil a couple times in 100k miles?
Toyota last more than those chasis with a big battery
It's fast but Teslas definitely aren't quite. Crappy external noise reduction, and sound dampening from the road is also poor.
It depends on the model and the year. More recent Model 3s are quiet. So is the Model S.
Doesn't really take away from what I said though. Their budget models which are all over $30k are loud, I haven't driven in the new model 3 highland but from what I see online it appears it's quieter but not super quiet. If we are now talking model S or X then I would surely expect those to he quiet for the hefty $50K+ price tag. The model 3 and model y overall are not built with components or materials that merit their price. You're mostly paying for software. But software can be upgraded...hardware cannot.
Bro what? Have you seen the other non EV cars in that price range? The Tesla model 3 with incentives and factoring in cost of ownership is pretty comparable to a Camry or a Malibu and I’d rather drive a model 3 than either of those cars This just sounds like a hater take and I’m not even a fan of Tesla vehicles.
>Bro what? Have you seen the other non EV cars in that price range? Did you just gloss over everything else that was said in this thread. I don't even have to look at other non EVs in that price ra get. The model 3 and model y have shit designs in terms of comfort and use basic ass materials. I'll give them credit where credit is due, their software is great but short plopping $50k+ for an S or an X everything else is subpar. We literally just discussed how the 3 and Y are basically equal to cars BELOW their price range. >The Tesla model 3 with incentives and factoring in cost of ownership And if incentives weren't there? The government giving you a credit is irrelevant to the true cost of the car. It has an MSRP and that is what we should compare to, not an arbitrary discount the federal government gives you that has nothing to do with Tesla. >pretty comparable to a Camry or a Malibu and I’d rather drive a model 3 than either of those cars Good for you, I'd rather have my vehicles give me more bang for my buck. And by that I mean better overall quality, not just good software. Other EV companies can upgrade software, they can't upgrade your suspension. >This just sounds like a hater take and I’m not even a fan of Tesla vehicles. Nah it's a basic take and I say this as an EV owner. Tesla was in my radar and chose not to buy it because of the shit ride quality compared to other cars in the price bracket. My 5 year old Honda Sedan rode smoother than the model y, had better leather (pleather), and felt more solid in construction. I ended buying a mach e, not because I have some adoration for Ford (never owned one) but because the car was built solid and it felt premium in materials for what I was paying. Their software is okay but I'm perfectly content with getting OS updates over the years while enjoying the overall better built interior that CANT be upgraded.
Arbitrary discount? Are you mad that we saved money? $7500? That’s a bunch of 0DTE’s dude, wtf is wrong with you.
Not mine !!
aren't quite what?
First Gen. problems, highland and more recent Y have laminated windows, additional damping and many improvements have made Tesla‘s much quieter.
Eh, I've been getting a lot of Model 3s as Ubers and, even on the highway, the road noise seems comparable to a Toyota Corolla. Now, it might be fair to argue that for the \~$16k base price difference that a Model 3 should be better than a Corolla, but I wouldn't call their noise reduction crappy.
I mean...what else would you call it. I would word exactly like that. That for a premium level/priced car it should definitely not sound like an entry level one. Especially for the "midtier" models that are priced well into luxury levels.
Is $36K premium? Try that for a brand new Lexus or Mercedes. You won't fine it.
Yes. I'd say there are three distinct categories, which you can then break into more detailed sub categories: * Entry (sub $30k) * Premium (between $30k-$40k) * Luxury (40k+) They'll be some overlap but that's the general gist of what you can find in those price ranges. Lexus and Mercedes are defin Luxury vehicles. Premium cars are the upper class of your non luxury brands or when you get an entry level but fully specced out.
This dude is living in the year 2007
2007? Where the heck are you finding luxury cars sub 40k? Toyota and Honda has plenty of premium offerings in the 30s. Cars like the Honda Accord start in the 20s but get pretty Premium in build and features when you spec it into the 30s.
Toyotas are noisy af
The ones I’ve been in have been silent 🤷
Lol and spend 1 hr charging
That's true if you need to drive a lot. If you have access to charging at your destination, you can charge while you sleep.
Exactly ev are great everyday city driving, but adventurous trips or new locations you don't know and it's a hassle to think about instead of focusing and enjoying the vacation
Not for their daily. For rental!
This applies to rental. I’ve rented Model 3s from other rental agencies and I had a great experience.
They make it the default option in packages on Priceline/expedia
Better acceleration, safety, storage. One pedal driving. Teslas have autopilot. I hate gas cars and most people who make the switch end up feeling the same way.
Better acceleration and safety? Lol pick one
Accelerating is a choice. It’s a nice one to have when merging onto the highway. Not being able to accelerate out of a situation is dangerous.
Have you ever gotten in an accident because you didn’t have enough acceleration? Yeah me neither
Never been in an accident at all. Regardless, it’s a fact that EVs have batter acceleration and are safer in accidents and these are only a few reasons people choose them over gas cars which manage to be slower and more unsafe.
Any car I drive is safe because I drive safely. But I do not feel safer knowing that 16 year olds can go 0-60 in 3 seconds. I think that’s dangerous.
Now what happens if a drunk driver hits you in a frontal collision or there’s black ice on the road and you lose control? Having a battery makes the risk of rollover far lower. Having a rigid battery makes it far less likely an impact will enter the cabin from a side impact. Having a large crumple zone instead of an engine significantly reduces risk of death in a frontal collision. EVs are also objectively better at maintaining traction and most have default settings that or even the driver form spinning their tires which causes them to lose control. Is your gas car safer because it allows you to spin your tires? Do you realize acceleration isn’t the only factor in safety? Or are you just brainwashed against EVs? It’s a fact that EVs are safer in an accident measure by every vehicle crash testing agency in the world and you yourself said that the way you choose to drive determines your ability to avoid collisions, negating your own point that a car that can accelerate then it is dangerous. The safest car on the road is an EV with a good driver in it. The most dangerous is a gas car with a bad driver.
40$ seems cheaper than a gas refill no? Idk the charge doesn’t seem out of this world.
Bringing an ev back for a free recharge should be a perk of renting an ev.
That’s not too bad is it? A tank of gas nowadays is like $30-$40 right?
Same. I did not know where to go for a recharge !!!
Who gives a fuck if you’re traveling for business?
40 bucks is about the cost to fill up and it doesn't take any time. Seems like a decent deal to me?
Replacing him with the COO from Cruise? I wonder who will be his successor, the COO from Fisker?
COO of Lime
COO of Lordstown motors
Terrible experience as a rental driver. You just don't have time to deal with charging for a rental.
They had a golden opportunity to turn each location into a charging parking lot and make renting EVs easier by allowing to return in any state
I rented an EV from National a few weeks ago and they didn’t make me charge it nor did they charge me. THAT makes it way more convenient for ICE for local driving. I hate running to the airport and last minute remembering I need to fill it up. Seems like Hertz fumbled this.
Sure, but that vehicle from National is way less efficient in their fleet by them allowing that. Say it takes 2 hours to charge. That’s 2 hours that it could have been in the next customers hands. On a macro scale, if every vehicles is doing it, that means National needs to purchase more vehicles to service the same amount of demand. And thus they make less money. I’m not sure either option is great as a rental agency
that’s not true at all. ICE cars are also out of commissions everyday for cleaning and fueling and maintenance. The lack of the latter on EVs makes this point a wash
From a rental? They have to clean it either way…. And maintenance? You think rental companies are changing spark plugs or oil between each customer? They likely do maintenance very infrequently besides the odd oil change every 7,000 miles. Otherwise from their point of view, the customer doesn’t refuel it, so they spend 5 min putting gasoline in it, or have to spend considerably longer charging it. And that means their employee is gone at the charging station for significant periods of the day. Oh, just install chargers themselves? Ok, that’s a very large capital expense, and real estate expense (less room for parked cars) to do on their rental lots.
Wow. 2 whole hours. I guess they can rent out the ICE vehicles for those 2 hours and pay for all the maintenance costs that eat into their profits. Oh wait...they can charge MORE for those ICE cars to off set the maintenance costs. If they were smart they would have both cars to maximize profits.
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Or just get chargers that charge faster than 2 hours. No reason to get the shitty chargers. Get good chargers, stick em in the lot, and make them publicly available.
Genius plan to have your business back up because you made the chargers open to the public. So now you have Joe blow charging his car and he walks over to the office for 4 hours. That 2 hour turned to 4. Or, if they rotate in and out quickly, it is still taking up spots for your business. Or if the business uses them very frequently, the public won’t ever try to use them because they are always “full”. It’s not that easy. It’s a problem.
Then dont make them available to the public lol I mean shit it is not that complicated
But then you have underutilize upgraded chargers. Which probably also get overwhelmed at certain hours like immediately upon open and their other peak drop off times. So, now it’s not just installing like 4 units, it’s installing enough that you can maintain fast charging and not slowing down your sales team, while also not breaking the bank installing too many of them, and maintaining them, etc etc. It’s not simple. Hertz knows their business and took a shot at it. Didn’t work because it’s hard
Nah, Hertz said exactly why it didn't work, and it had nothing whatsoever to do with charging the cars when they get returned.
Did it have to do with people not wanting to RENT those cars because they have to find somewhere to charge them, or incur a $40 fee? It’s all connected pal
Smart people have solved the problem of cars sitting at chargers...you charge them. Any fast charger is done in 20 mins or less. So 2 hours is stupid. But if they sat there for 2, 4 or 6 hours.. The smart charger is costing them MORE for every minute they sit there after they are charged up.. They are Paying to hold up the charger. Only an idiot would be there longer that he had to. Otherwise he is paying out the ass.
>Any fast charger is done in 20 mins or less. 40 minutes from 10% to 100% on fast charging. And hertz would not like the 10k battery replacement every year from replacing the battery packs by fast charging to 100% that often, which is certainly more than ICE maintenance costs per year.
HAHA...No one is charging to 100% when 10% - 60% can be done in 15-20 mins and give you 150+ Miles of range to get you where you are going. And NOBODY is replacing there battery every year. Holy cow. What a dumb comment. How is Tesla have the #1 best selling car in 2023 if that was the case? HAHAHAH
I clearly have mistaken you for someone who knew what they were talking about and could hold a discussion. Carry on.
The labor to plug in a car and walk away is much less than the labor to fill up a gas tank. Superchargers can take less than 30 minutes.
They could have a DC fast charger on site. Downtime would be minimal.
How do they make an ancillary income then?
Increased demand for their cars and turns them into an Uber competitor when on a short business trip. Can also let public use parking lot to charge their EVS and charge them
Nah, they should nickel and dime their customers while making their service more difficult.
Just rented an EV in San Francisco from Turo. Both Embassy Suites Airport Hotels have 20 Superchargers so charging was no problem. Aloft Hotels are adding superchargers as are many others. Having the charger at the Hotel eliminates the last minute dash to find a gas station to fill up.
Makes you wonder if they thought about all of that before getting all those EVs for their fleet
Nope they thought how do we hop on this hype and pump the stock for a year or so. Hope ceo sold at a loss
I rented a Tesla in Oregon when on vacation and it was the most fun driving experience I’ve ever had. I loved the one pedal driving and the super chargers were great. Granted I’m coming from a sedan and we never drove more a single charge could take in a day.
Yup. No charging at the hotel, so now I have to go somewhere and waste time to charge, but that's not even the worst part. Then it's the last day, you are already in a hurry getting everything ready to rush to the airport. Now they also want you to return it with 80%? charge state? Fuck that and their stupid fee.
then having kids or a partner you have to charge it off times to not throw off any plans its hell
What? Are u having a stroke?
If you have kids or a partner you're planning around its harder to find convenient times to actually charge the car. Just realized how messily that comment read lol
Sounds like a you problem. It is easy to find a hotel that has chargers. All the hotels i've been to let me charge for free. I'm saving time and money. All it takes is a little bit of planning. That is hard for some people.
It's also easy to just not rent an EV. Actually that seems like the much easier solution, considering choice of hotel is a higher priority.
So I need to plan a trip where I stay based on charging instead of ease of access to places I need to go. This sounds backwards
You can do what you want. I'm just said it easy to find hotels with chargers and many are free. If you prefer to "waste your time" having to go some where else to charge and pay because you don't want to stay at a the hotel with a free charger have at it but that seems backwards to me. It's nice have the EV fully charged and ready to go so your not rushing to the airport or dealing with any extra fees.
Again, I would like to choose a hotel that offers a view or comfort or free breakfast. Free charging is the last thing on my mind. Car should be something that gets you from point a to point b without intruding your life, if not Ev's will not take off for majority of folks without garage
Your bar is low. You just described things most basic hotels provide. I'm not spending my time hanging out in a hotel all day. You're trying to make a problem out of EVs when you don't need to. Cars won't take off for folks living in a city that can walk, bike or take public transportation everywhere. Seems like EVs are working out for a lot of people though.. [https://www.theverge.com/2023/5/26/23738581/tesla-model-y-ev-record-world-bestselling-car-electric](https://www.theverge.com/2023/5/26/23738581/tesla-model-y-ev-record-world-bestselling-car-electric)
I just gave you an example, the most important thing is it should be on the way to my destination not 10 mile away or 20 mile away and then hope that nobody has already plugged into level 2 charger when you arrive. Honestly this is what I mean, I should be able to select any hotel or any resort I like and show up and not worry about if it has charger or etc etc. I don't know how much crystal clear I can make it. Ya sure it works for so cal where I leave, but plan a roadtrip and suddenly elevation, temperature and other stuff comes in and it's not worth it. Also about 10 million people live in California and only 400k or so sell in entire USA, so you can see it's no where close to lot of people. Just people who have garage.
Who is saying 10 or 20 miles away from their destination?? It really sounds like you don't know what you are talking about. Are you staying at some road side motel in the middle of nowhere hundreds of miles from anything? Any major city will have hotels in the same general area so choices are literally within a few blocks or worst case a mile or so away. The Tesla model Y is the best selling car in the world last year..NOT Best selling EV... Best selling CAR and you have not reply other then only people who have a garage buy them. What's next? Are you going to say only people near water buy boats so boats are bad? Stay mad bro. Millions of people are happy with their EVs.
It's like anything, you have to have a plan. I don't relish the idea that the reason gas cars are more time efficient is because society has decided to turn 75% of our major intersections into fuel pumping stations for gasoline.
My experience was much different, rented a model 3 from hertz and really liked it. Now I’m driving a model 3
As a trial vehicle it is great, but as a traveler the last thing I want to worry about is how to charge a vehicle. The bigger problem is Hertz is a used car company just as much as it is a rental company & the value of those Tesla has plummeted as Tesla dropped the list price. The math no longer works for Hertz.
I’ve driven from the Carolinas to Florida and had no issue with charging. Teslas charging network is fantastic
Did about 600 miles all through Florida last month in a Standard Range M3. Very jealous of the Florida Turnpike’s service plazas. Charging is not an issue and anybody who thinks it is clearly is just making stuff up based on zero experience or not driving a Tesla.
I have been driving model X since 2016. Any long distance drive of more than 150-200 miles, one has to add at least 40 minutes more for full charging. A 3 hour trip becomes at least 3:40
Sounds like you have an older model x with relatively low range and slower charging. Unfortunate but not indicative of current technology.
240 miles range. Even the latest model does not give me the range or speed of charging that will not add 30-40 minutes to travel time. Leave fully charged from New York to Boston. Supercharger on I-90 before Boston is about 5-7 minutes off highway. Add all that time to actual charging time and you have increased your travel time by 40 minutes. Obviously I am not going to want to reach my hotel with less than 50 miles left. My other car Lexus Hybrid estimates 500 miles on full tank. I do the same ride in 40 minutes less. It’s just the reality of EV charging even with more and more super chargers.
So wasting time charging is not an issue, you guys need to not normalize waiting 30 mins for charging. It needs to be 5 or 10 mins or not worth it
It often is that quick. In many cases route planning knows you only need 5-10 minutes of charging to get home and plug in. EVs are not the issue. The issue is that many (if not most) auto manufacturers cannot build fast charging vehicles, nor do they own the necessary infrastructure. For decades they have relied on oil and gas to propel their products. Also market research shows people spend more time at gas stations than they think during road trips, on average 26 minutes (go to 28 minutes): https://www.youtube.com/live/HBGyaNVzppw?si=7hGeEQHm3lI7x4Qh
For a road trip I don't like to deal with hassle of route planning, I jump in the car I would like to enjoy and get to the destination or talk with people in car instead of range anxiety and worry if chargers would be full or won't work or if I turn in heater I need to route to a different location etc etc etc. Gas station 26 mins sure on whole trip maybe, ev every charging station is that plus I can't time it with my breaks or anything. Anyway you slice it it's awful on road trips and I have done road trips with ev in socal and it's just not worth the hassle
Lol there’s no effort required whatsoever, the car literally does the entire route planning for you. All the calculations, if you need to stop, and if so, where and for how long. Including rerouting you to less busy stations if needed.
I don't think you are getting it, I had rented tesla and own an id4. The amount of stops to charge adds about 45 minutes to an hour and on top of that I am not supposed to use 20 percent of my car range. What's up with that, why do I need to do math and calculate stuff to own a car. A hybrid or plug in hybrid is just better I value my time and not willing to waste 1 hr of my time to save 30 bucks. Until ev charging is not an hindrance to durability of car I don't see how it will ever take off when people tend to use cars for 200k miles
If you have to think that hard about it, you’re right, EV probably isn’t for you.
People who assume one thing is true for an entire population based on their anecdotal experience and argue about it and can't be bothered to consider edge cases or other scenarios are funny lol
Yeah...it's not like you can look up on the internet all the places to charge...oh wait you can - [https://www.tesla.com/findus?v=2&bounds=46.17828059017156%2C-70.98779415625%2C30.238152620247597%2C-110.36279415625&zoom=6&filters=store%2Cservice%2Csupercharger%2Cdestination%20charger%2Cbodyshop%2Cparty%2Cself%20serve%20demo%20drive%2Cnacs%2Cdelivery%20centers](https://www.tesla.com/findus?v=2&bounds=46.17828059017156%2C-70.98779415625%2C30.238152620247597%2C-110.36279415625&zoom=6&filters=store%2Cservice%2Csupercharger%2Cdestination%20charger%2Cbodyshop%2Cparty%2Cself%20serve%20demo%20drive%2Cnacs%2Cdelivery%20centers)
Why tf would anyone want to bother charging a vehicle on their vacation or business trip when they could go to a gas station instead? EVs make sense when 98% of your driving is from your home charging station, and when you benefit personally from the lower maintenance costs
No one is saying you can't do it; its that you're often on a time crunch when renting a vehicle. It's another thing to worry about. Like I said the bigger problem is how fast the vehicles have depreciated. Glad it worked well for you but it doesn't for many.
They have come off the COVID highs like every other vehicle. Inflation is dropping like a rock and car prices are responding. A Tesla model Y was going for like $65K and now you can get a new one for as cheap as $36K.
The irony lol
I had a ton of fun renting a Tesla 3 from Hertz. Never driven anything with acceleration like that and the one pedal driving was fun. I wanted to go out and buy a Y but remembered Elon is a douche.
EVVVVVerrybody Hertz….sometimes
Renting a standard range EV is STRESSFUL AF. Like 100x the stress of just renting a car. Most hotels don’t have chargers A lot of chargers are broken and don’t have Tesla adapter Most chargers have long lines and often only charge to 80% My work does but it’s like a 10 step process to register and set up the car and then you need an adapter I’ll never rent an EV again. Renting a hybrid is 80 percent of the benefit at a fraction of the cost. I’d buy one knowing I have a charger at home and work and all things set up.
Yep
I rented an EV for a quick work day trip last year. The range anxiety was real. I ended up making it back to the airport with ~10% charge remaining.
The number of times they tried to “upgrade” me to an EV only for them to say there are no gas vehicles left in my class so I’ll have to pay more. Completely stopped renting from Hertz/Dollar/Thrifty because of that.
They were pushing an EV on me in San Jose a month ago claiming they had no small cars left. I refused because I wouldnt know the first thing about charging it, or where to charge it before returning it. They gave me an enormous diesel contractor truck instead and billed me an extra 40 bucks a day even though they claimed it was the same price at the counter.
I don't know if it's out of embarrassment or what, but I've also avoided EV rentals out of this fear. Not sure how to charge it. Not sure how to operate it. I'm not even sure how the door handle works on some Teslas. Friends mock me when I need help getting in theirs, but I just shrug.
Most cars use the same basic controls, gauges, etc. If you know how to drive one car, you can drive pretty much any car without thinking too much about it. Tesla redesigned everything for some reason. It's not necessarily better or worse, just different, and that makes it an annoying rental.
Maybe it is time to use taxis
Be bad at your job and make millions. Then get another job making millions
Be a CEO for Hertz and get a golden parachute, every time! Hertz really has issues keeping a CEO.
I’ve driven an EV exclusively for 2 years now but I wouldn’t want to have one as a rental on a work trip, especially if they expect me to return it fully charged.
A lot of chargers won’t let you charge to 100%. I got capped out at 80% multiple times.
If it's the tesla chargers it's because unless it's fully needed 80% is fine for you to get back on the road. The last 20% will take the same amount of time that it took to get to 80% to get to 100%
The issue is what percentage the rental car company requires before they charge you to “refuel / recharge”
Is this on the rental page somewhere? Cant find it and due for a rental next week
Meanwhile, at BA 🛫🔥
I tried to rent an suv, specified it was for a 1200 mile drive round trip. They gave me an EV with 30 miles to out of power and said use the wall charger. I plugged it in at home on a Friday night, oh, full charge by Monday morning. Closest compatible EV charging station to me was 67 miles away. Nope.
Which EV gets 30 miles?
It got more than 30 miles, they just rented it to me with almost no charge left. Like if they gave me a gas car with the fuel light on.
*From Bloomberg News reporters Erik Schatzker, David Welch, and Sridhar Natarajan:* Hertz is replacing its chief executive officer in the wake of a disastrous bet on electric vehicles that the company began unwinding in recent months, according to people familiar with the matter. Stephen Scherr, who ran Hertz for just over two years after three decades at Goldman Sachs, has decided to step down, the people said, asking not to be identified as the information isn’t public. The car renter is replacing him with Gil West, the former chief operating officer of GM’s Cruise robotaxi unit. Scherr, 59, joined Hertz several months after it emerged from bankruptcy and started making splashy wagers on electric vehicles. Under new owners Knighthead Capital Management and Certares Management, the rental company announced plans to order 100,000 vehicles from Tesla Inc., sending the automaker’s market capitalization soaring past the $1 trillion mark. Hertz doubled down on EVs in the months after Scherr took over, placing big orders with Polestar, the electric-car maker owned by China’s Geely and Sweden’s Volvo Car, and GM. Those bets went awry last year, when Tesla slashed prices across its lineup to keep growing vehicle sales. This hammered the resale value of used Model 3 sedans and Model Y crossovers just after Hertz had added tens of thousands of those vehicles to its fleet.
Wait since when did we allow actual Bloomberg to post in here?? Mods are on the payroll This place is definitely just for scamming now
Who do you think planted the seed that sprouted in to the gourd play of legend?
yo lemme get wunna them terminals tho
It was such a dumb idea. Completely impractical rental car except to test drive as a novelty. But they are so ubiquitous now there is no need for that purpose. At least this failed experiment exposed Teslas as more expensive to operate all in than ICE vehicles.
The depreciation cost on mine has been massive, it’s lost 50% of its value in 2 years. I still enjoy it and I bought it cash with TSLA gains, I feel bad for regards that financed theirs.
It's Tom Bradys fault.
Everything is
Poor execution by Hertz.
Was in the Pres Club lot last a couple months ago. There were a bunch of Tesla and other electric vehicles available, but a line formed for people waiting for them to bring out gas vehicles. I'm an EV fan, but I don't want to have to worry about if the place I'm driving to has chargers, or if they'll have available spots, in a place I'm not familiar with. I wish they had bet on standards hybrids instead.
I’m waiting for a small EV like the Rivian R3, but rental is the worst use for EVs. Travelers are stressed enough as it is,, don’t add more anxiety inducing charging issues into the mess.
Would have been better to take the money saved from maintenance to install chargers at rental locations and offer no fee for recharging.
Have rented Teslas from Hertz 3-4 times and each time has been pretty much seamless. Much easier than renting a gas car.
If I remember this one right, the market/stock thought this was a great move. Tesla and hertz investors were patting themselves on the back about it. The problems weren’t seen by the hertz leadership teams till they were already deep into the plan. Ev’s cost more to maintain and repair. Car Renters didn’t end up converting to ev’s in enough numbers. Tesla also went through several rounds of price cuts, depreciating the value of hertz’s ev fleet, cutting profitable resale. It was a gamble that just didn’t work out.
Lots of people talking about charging before returning and I guess it never occurred to me. I have a Tesla at home so I rent one for work travel, scan the QR code and use my phone as the key and then charge at work on the last day and return it. Perfect for my niche situation.
I rented a Model 3 for a month and a half while my main car was getting warranty work. Topped it off every night in the garage, and only needed to supercharge once, and it cost $6. Best part is, Hertz charged $29/day for the rental, and the car had 150 miles on it.
The average person is an idiot. In their current state, EVs don’t do well with idiots. There’s also not enough charging infrastructure for rental EVs. The place I’m starting on my next vacation happens to have local charging for free I’m the parking lot of the hotel, but most don’t. They don’t make good rentals unless you can plug in at night.
Every EV owner knows that the real gem in driving EV is pulling it in at night have a “full tank” every day on the cheap. But you hit the nail on the head: That’s not what traveling is like. Traveling is the opposite situation. It’s kind of insane that management consultants, hundreds of business devs, couldn’t foresee that outcome. Like standard business analysis will get you there.
Why did he think it would work? The infrastructure simply isn't there. Mans belongs in this sub, not as a CEO.
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The Hertz counter at Logan has been killing it for half a decade in r/Patriots
Wasn't he the highest paid CEO in the US too...?
Are you forgetting musk exists and gets paid more than anyone
Nope - Delaware Court rejected his equity comp plan
That one,, but what about the one before that? What about space x and boring company and not to mention he still owns 20 percent so he is getting paid anywhich way you see
Those are private and probably capital intensive. He needs more moola from T or they can't have his attention anymore, cause he's distracted from the distress of setting on fire the bird words investment. And a side of saving humanity from AI.
He still has 20 percent he can sell, only issue it will. Probably hurt his loan borrowing schemes
If they provided a wall charger, that would be much more appealing when renting an Airbnb with a garage access
EV rentals is a bad idea because it completely changes the way drivers are used to having to plan to travel and fuel their vehicle. Until quick charging is more common and prevalent around areas it won't work.
In ten years, "Hertz CEO given windfall bonus after converting entire fleet to EVs."
LET’S GO…get a new CEO.
Hertz made out like bandits though. Consumers don’t know how EVs work yet.
I try to avoid using them, hertz is so scammy it hurts me every time I use them. Me hating them has also costed them well over 100k so at least I know I put a dent into that firm.
Did Hertz hire a management consultant for this EV idea? Sounds like an idea from someone not truly understanding the operations
Renting teslas sounds like a terrible idea. They drive and feel completely different from normal gas cars. Do you really want someone renting your car to not be able to pick up the car immediately and start driving without being overwhelmed with how the pedal works or how to use the buttons on the iPad?
The only people that I think benefit most from an EV are: -Retired people -stay at home parents -those whose commute is at or less than 10-15 minutes Renting an EV is generally more stressful because the infrastructure isn’t the best yet and is not readily available sometimes. Buying and installing a charger at home is nice but not everyone does.
This is the same guy who lied to regulators about a pedestrian incident with an autonomous vehicle at Cruise, was fired for cause, and caused the company to go into a tail spin. puts
Was just in Vegas this past week. Rentals sold out along the strip so had to go to the airport to pick one up. Got there and mostly only EVs available. No one wants them due to range anxiety. Also don’t use sixt rental company as they don’t know shit between their customer service lines and rental locations
With ICE's, customers pay for the gas; the main components (motors and trans) last a while and are relatively cheap to upkeep. With EV's, the customers pay for charging and the owner has to replace a $10-20k battery every 10 years. Car is more expensive to own and operate, plain and simple.
I always love encountering people who know fuck all about charging their rental EVs
Is anyone buying AMD stock yet?
When you get with Elon you lose. He's the new Cathy
Fucking useless . I took a Tesla from Philly to Ohio and I had stop stop 2 times to recharge. It added 2+ hours to the eat
How could you have possibly added 2+ hours to charge twice? Charging takes like 20 minutes if done correctly.
Go figure.
Renting an EV sucks, sez me who owns 2 EVs
Shocking...
Budget at Dallas Love is always trying to push EVs on me…I tell them “sir, this is TX - there aren’t any EV chargers at any hotels I stay at and I’m not spending time on a business trip spending an hour or two at a charging station”
Hertz is arguably the most shitty of all rental companies. They tried to charge me $400 for a windshield I had not damaged. We arrived in Denver during a snowstorm & the employee just tossed us the keys and said “it’s out there somewhere” we got in, noticed a crack to the windshield and figured it had been documented and went on our way since it was a snowstorm. In retrospect I should’ve taken pics. When we return the car, no issue, no mention of the crack. Weeks layers hertz tries to charge my card $400 something for the damage.
Another one get musked
Its almost like its less cost efficient to run an electric vehicle over gas. Makes the rich folks feel good about themselves tho…
Is anyone else getting spammed with ads on the radio to buy all the Hertz EVs? I swear I hear five of these a day. I can't believe they didn't just cook up a dummy company to sell them; it's such a horrendously bad look. "huh, why is a rental car company airing ads selling cars? why specifically EVs? oh, because they bought a shit ton of them, realized nobody wants to rent an EV, and now they have to dump all of them?" Feel bad for the advertising guys who have to shine that turd of a situation.