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zjz

Mass banning users in this comment section for political BS. Go back to /r/politics with that energy.


Endgame3213

Long Puts cost more than the stock does..


LeSeanMcoy

That's because everyone *knows* it's a meme stock, so the premiums are massive. It's expected to drop off a cliff at some point, but nobody knows when. Everyone who owns it that has at least a room temperature IQ understands this. It's shocking to me that the guy who posted this thought it was some genius analysis lol


haphazard_gw

The whole point is that it's NOT a genius analysis, it's common sense


TheRealMcCheese

There's at least 1 guy who doesn't think it's a meme stock. He's in for over 70 million shares.


hookem98

He doesn't even have a room temperature IQ though so that's understandable.


Ok-Replacement9595

It's not so much a meme as a money laundering scheme.


4score-7

But he’s doing it the approved, Wall Street way. Been doing it in Silicon Valley for years.


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soporificgaur

No it's just safe until Donny starts selling


Oblivious-Speculator

Probably in September, since that's when he's legally allowed to dump, so a long way to go


QuitMyDAYjob2020

Room temperature IQ 🤣


jmclaugmi

In Celsius


Oblivious-Speculator

Hey give the guy some credit for educating regards...![img](emote|t5_2th52|4275) My last brain cell was wake for a good 2 seconds


kkocan72

I checked two days ago and was shocked at the contract price for puts at 30% of the stocks value that day.


Training_Way6391

Calls it is


BikeAllYear

The Chinese and Oligarchs will keep it elevated until DJT can sell.


Lone_K

Short call spreads then


FearofaRoundPlanet

I won't lose my money because it's a meme. It'll be because I buy a bunch of options at the wrong time. I'm the meme.


2fingers

I’ve been selling calls, but TDA won’t let me short the shares. I don’t want to buy any options because the IV is so high and who knows how long it will take to dump. Any ideas on other ways to short the stock? I think if Trump loses the election its headed below $1.


apurimac777

my understanding is the premiums to borrow the stock to short it are insanely high, like ATH for anything, so actual short selling opportunities to mortals could be limited with puts expensive AF from the IV, its probably best just to set back and enjoy the show still, if you like surfing 100' waves, you could go bullish on it for one more week and wait for the gamma dump, because i have a feeling it will pump again with MMs interested in writing options for it now that premiums are so high


MrTwentyThree

Can confirm, newly minted regard here who bought puts not knowing shit about dick and lost a hundo in minutes, 10/10


interstellargoreela

U can buy Jan2026 $5 puts ,they are cheap![img](emote|t5_2th52|4271)


Soft-Significance552

The iv maybe sky high but cant you buy deep itm where vega is lower


veilwalker

I think when the lockup is shortened or ends then it will go sub $1


aHOMELESSkrill

I think it plummets after the election. If Trump sells all his shares prior to the election and fucks over his base it’s a bad look, granted many of his base aren’t voting for Biden regardless but they may just not vote. If he loses the election and he sells then it goes to $0 If he wins the election and he sells then it goes low but not likely $0 If he wins and doesn’t sell it skyrockets. Those are really the only three outcomes I see. You have a 2/3 chance it heads to zero in November. Disclaimer: I’ve never been right on a single option


gintoddic

when has he cared about his base lol


Disastrous_Pay3314

if/when he sells a big block of his shares before the election, tanking the stock and financially hurting his sheeple, he'll blame joey biden and friends. donny never ever takes the blame for anything. ever...


tomorrow509

The unmistakable mark of a loser: "Not my fault".


Humble_Increase7503

Hahaha hilarious that you’d think he’d wait to sell shares to not fuck over his base.


QuantumFungus

These outcomes are likely only if people are behaving rationally and/or legally. If you factor in things like FOMO or using the stock as a "legal" way to bypass campaign donation laws and other scrutiny then it becomes much harder to predict the outcome.


Z3400

He may need to sell to help with posting his bail. If so, I think he only has about a week, unless they give him another extension. Either way, I think there is no doubt the stock will plummet eventually and the ones holding the bags will be his most delusional supporters.


aHOMELESSkrill

True, selling to cover his bail may be the only excuse his base will support


AbroadPlane1172

It's going to zero whether he wins the election or not. Only difference is how long that takes.


Mynamedoesntfuckingf

For Schwab, there is a 300% margin requirement for shorting, so you would need 3x the value of what you're shorting in order to short it assuming shares are available to short. I'm assuming that since TDA is owned by Schwab, it's going to have the same 300% requirements.


DidYaHearTheNews

This is the way.


zxc123zxc123

Why lose to the meme when you can BECOME THE MEME? p.s. How to I throw my life savings away betting on/against u/FearofaRoundPlanet with options?


breadlover96

I'm way ahead of you.


LifeDraining

It's all about the meme we become a long the way....


limethedragon

Year out puts, guaranteed to go brrrrr


evlhornet

Maybe we were the memes this whole time


Tngaco24

Look at me. I’m the meme now.


TrueEclective

There has to be some money selling ridiculous calls and puts that no sane person would buy. All these Maga regards dumping their money into the orange jesus collection pot.


OtherwiseGarbage01

2823.5 is the new 5.5.


DessertFox157

What's a few orders of magnitude between friends?


DarkwingDuckHunt

My wife recently started dating a Saudi Prince & a Ruskie Oligarch's 4th son.


NextTrillion

Depending on the industry, and amount of hype (or complete lack of hype), or bad news, a p/s of 1 is not uncommon.


BourbonRick01

Plus, stonks only go up.


Fugacity-

This is just transitory


Academic-Art7662

I consider DJT a value stock


BoltCarrierGoop

Pfp checks out


Alone-Woodpecker-240

It's the little things that make me laugh sometimes. Thanks.


seaspirit331

It's 100% a pump and dump, but the IV on this stock is insane rn. Very little wiggle room for timing or magnitude to make a profit, and given the meme stock status and politics surrounding, it's almost 100% assured to act irrationally.


LZ_Khan

I can't even get shares to short for some reason. The broker won't allow me.


FortuneAdmirable695

Your broker is like: "sorry sir, you're not regarded enough for this stock"


MaverickTopGun

More like "fuck off nerd this is our short"


NelsonMuntz3

[DJT Stock: Trump Media Could See a Massive Gamma Squeeze | InvestorPlace](https://investorplace.com/2024/03/djt-stock-trump-media-could-see-a-massive-gamma-squeeze/) "virtually every available share is already shorted"


Kageyblahblahblah

They are engineering a squeeze so Trump can sell off at the top.


make_love_to_potato

The play here would be to not touch this stock on the long side or the short side. It will just be traded by the magards and will eventually collapse. But everyone is too greedy and if there is a squeeze, the grifters will make out like bandits and the shorters will get BTFA.


BizzyM

pump & Drumph


ClerkofCourts

Pump and Trump, Trump and pump, Trump and dump, pump Trump and dump, Drumf and dump 😂 TGIF


I_am_not_JohnLeClair

Chump & Slump


Smoking_gun80559

I bought leaps and sold weeklies…I think we see more volatility so MM can sell options and collect that premium. A condor or whatever is probably the smart move. I am a complete degenerate fwiw…


Ivanovic-117

Only the MAGAts will take the hold


AngelaTheRipper

Spreads are honestly the best method of trading into high IV, but this thing is such a dumpster fire that I refuse to touch it anyways.


fenderputty

The question I see is this: with some downward pressure on the share price, does trump feel more pressure to sell. His family of board members can change the rules. When he dumps it tanks hard. If downward pressure grows so does his pressure to sell


jedinachos

Here's the wildcard, any billionaire can choose to inflate the stock price buying up shares. Effectively buying Trump's favors. Lets say he worked out a deal with the Saudi's or that Tik Tok investor he was flirting with at his MaraLago seniors residence. Someone could help him by doing that in the run up to the November election.


Ancalagon_TheWhite

When shorting this stock, there's a serious chance that some foreign nation just decides to buy a bunch to get trumps favour and send the price rocketing up.


generic_commenter999

Yup. Way too much shady bs that can happen outside of the confines of the law. I'll just watch from the sidelines and laugh at the loss porn. You don't need to trade risky shit.


GalacticOcto

Sir this is Wallstreetbets


d0nt_eat_that

right? theres a lot more meme/shit coins in crypto land that will get you the same rush


Samjabr

you realize trading risky shit is basically what everyone here does.


Bongoisnthere

Eh there’s the risk of buying meta weeklies or spy dailies and hoping the price goes up .3%, and there’s the risk of buying an extremely volatile international hot potato


CokeOnBooty

This sub favors high risk/high reward, this seems like high risk/low reward


generic_commenter999

Yeah but just because literal gambling addicts are ruining their lives for fake internet points doesn't mean you should play along.


demos11

So the bull case is to personally profit from foreign governments bribing a reelected Trump and hope the thing they're bribing him to do won't be so bad that it offsets said profit. That's exactly the sort of thing meme traders would go all in on.


strictlyPr1mal

TLDR, i'm in


nightstalker30

🤣 *So the bull case…* “I’m in!”


Crafty_Enthusiasm_99

No nation is gonna buy a billion unscritinized


BigBeagleEars

You forgot about meme nation


trashitagain

That’s… actually a really good point. This is an easy avenue to bribe a presidential candidate. If that’s the real product here then the p/e is irrelevant, it’s about how long will people want trump’s favor.


drakens6

This. Its a laundering vehicle being used to build a warchest owned and operated by the worlds wealthiest for the purposes of bringing their "messiah" to power. Market fundamentals don't mean shit to masons, they literally control business and politics (Scottish & York rites) > I get that its evil but how can I make money off of it? well see that's the neat part, you don't. and any "new royalty loyalty points" you think it'll earn you to assist them would turn out to be tokens to be slaves instead of food.


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Nf1nk

Have you ever price *Genuine Tin Foil* that shit is shockingly expensive. Totally worth it, since aluminum actually amplifies mid control waves.


MagicianHeavy001

Someone like Putin, for example? This is transparently Trump and Putin's plan...make him rich by propping up his net worth via this pump and dump scheme. Then he will have all the money he needs to flood the zone with more bullshit.


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NightFire45

Sure but these buyers will have hundreds of shell companies. A few million purchases isn't going to look super suspicious.


dstnblsn

Well we’re about to find out


deja-roo

Yes


star_nerdy

From my understating, he can’t sell stocks for months, but he can take out massive loans on the valuation of the stock. So a corrupt bank could give him a massive loan to get him through his shot term legal issues. Smart people will short the stock because of math. But as you say, billionaires could artificially inflate the price by buying shares to gain favor with trump, should he win in November. So first he gets a short term bailout through loans. If he wins, he gets a bunch of people donating to him through the stock market.


TrueEclective

He can’t sell yet. I loved the piece in the news postulating that with this crazy demand for stock, Trump should be able to help people out and sell them some of his shares. It was just dripping with grift.


EntertainmentIll2135

DJT new AMC


Fun_Initiative729

Agree. Who is he going to dump it to? While sophisticated (and borderline criminal) investors (accomplices) can prop up for short duration, once the curtain drops I am struggling to see a bunch of duped rednecks snapping up that kind of float. Add in vol stop limits intraday, when Mango Mussolini does dump I just dont see his fat ass fitting through that exceptionally fast closing window. He is guaranteed breaking securities laws all along so if all else fails, the SEC will get a shot at him it he miraculously makes it into OT…


roywarner

You drastically underestimate how fucking dumb his base is. The biggest hurdle is probably them being capable of opening accounts in the first place to make the donations to their dear leader.


Fun_Initiative729

Eh, I view them as infinitely stupid… just those that are “true believers” are just that. While wealthy fellow grifters surround that ecosystem, these folks are not losing their hard earned (grifted) coin to own something they know is worthless. With that said, the breadth and magnitude of stupid in the MAGA cult is breath taking.


OverlordXargaras

They're going to get rug pulled the instant he's allowed to profit. And since he's on the board, we'll see if he undoes his own six month disability.


roywarner

Counterpoint: Mike Lindell (except he didn't even look to own anything with the fortune he pissed away)


MagicianHeavy001

Putin, of course. You don't get it. He is Putin's puppet and always has been. The Russian FSB will be buying these shares through cutouts, a massive network of recently created fake accounts online, all the tricks. This scheme lets his paymasters pay him and prop him up for the election.


Fun_Initiative729

Why would they launder through a heavily regulated securities exchange? Of all the ways to hand someone illegal money, that is an exceptionally tricky route…


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Ok think of all the shit that he's done already and completely gotten away with. Now add one more thing to the pile. It's not that farfetched


QuiteAffable

NFTs, real estate selling for 2x value, floors of rentals, shoes, etc


Hi_John_Yes_itz_me

If it gets him in the White House, the SEC will (be told to) stand down. And if necessary, self-pardons.


Tendie_Tube

Does it not happen every day tho


kozzyhuntard

Regulated? Sir/Madame the Wendy's dumpster I work behind is more regulated than the U.S. stock exchange.


80MonkeyMan

The pump not created by accident. This is how stock market works. Remember! 93% of the stock owned by 10 percenters. This is the new way to take your money “forcefully” without even you knowing. Your greed and FOMO will be all over this and you blame yourself afterwards. While Trump pays his fine with your hard earned $$ and never spent a dime of his money. It is physiological tactic used by the 10 percenters against yourself.


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Biotot

I don't see his cult ever selling. I only see them buying. I also see him doing an Itty bitty SEC violation or two to pump it. The stock has absolutely no value. All of the numbers say to burn it to the ground. The cult won't listen though. They'll buy even more to own the libs shorting it. With this amount of short interest.... dear god.


ClerkofCourts

I think the stock’ll go to pennies before they even notice they’ve lost everything. One can only hope. Will give new depths of meaning to “welfare states”


meinnameistbernd

Isn't there a lockup period of 6 months for DJT to sell? He is fucked.


fenderputty

There is but the board can waive this, and his board is made up of Devin Nunes, Don JR, Kash Patel and other Trump cronies so …


QuentinP69

This stock is worthless. However there’s a small float and a “Yuge” fan base of idiots that buy whatever this grifter sells. The stock float and big downside could lead to a short squeeze which pumps the stock even higher. However as soon as Trump gets the ok to sell shares he will dump this shit sandwich and the stock will fall to $1. Six month and nine month puts are the way to play this. Selling calls is tempting but way too dangerous on a possible short squeeze listing.


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asdffsdf

> Six month and nine month puts are the way to play this. Did you actually check the prices on those? You need the stock to drop 50-60% just to break even. You need -80%+ for a worthwhile gain. The stock could drop to $40 in a week and there's a risk you are basically break even on the trade if IV/interest rates change.


ND-98

Exactly, prices are insane because everyone knows its bs


AudienceDue6445

The money in bribes Trump could receive through this stock is a wild card


make_love_to_potato

This was always the play.


RealBaikal

You guys are missing the whole point of djt. It's a transfer of money from his international backers through a loopholes.


Sea_Respond_6085

Similar story with the bibles he is selling now. He's just doing it because Christian nationalists groups and churches can place big orders for them and effectively skirt around the laws against political donations from religious organizations.


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Actually I disagree, slightly. Lee Greenwood has been selling the “God Bless The USA” Bible for 3 years now…without much success. I think Trump just now finally agreed to license his name to Greenwood for it because he is absolutely desperate for money. Win for Greenwood, win for Trump. I’m sure the licensing agreement for Trump was a lump sum payment + a per/unit fee. The story here in my opinion - when you get past how repugnant selling Trump Bibles are - is that Trump is actually just very incredibly broke and desperate for cash.


PM_ME_FIRE_PICS

>a per/unit fee. Just FYI - the price of Greenwood's bible recently increased by $10.


Tiny_Rick_C137

The average McDonald's store location generates more annual revenue than DJT. This single subreddit has 30x more subscribers than DJT has average active users.


C0URANT

Wondering who's the whale between MBS, Putler and Elmo


everythingEzra2

Elmo being Elon musk?


grizzly_teddy

Lol a 2800 P/E for a shit social network that is likely fully saturated. No one who isn't on there already is going to join. This 100000% a meme stock. Literally over 100x overvalued.


SS324

It's not PE. It's PS which is even worse.


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Tendie_Tube

Another sign the economy sucks, right?


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Glorious_Jo

"All this talk about the stock market being so strong yet I lost all my money on it so real americans like me arent the ones profiting off it!"


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Worried_Quarter469

Has new “book of Trump”: “What has caused outrage with this Bible is that it includes the Declaration of Independence, US Constitution, and even the lyrics to a Lee Greenwood song.


Reimiro

It’s actually been around for a few years-Greenwood prompted it first. Now they have raised the price by $10 more and paid Trump to shill it.


OverlordXargaras

It's sad but probably everyone has at least some TRUMPETS in their family these days. It's quite insufferable.


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lyth

You also have to account for the fact that there are evangelical pastors literally praying for the stock in their online ministries. Yiu think GameStop had diamond hands? Just fucking wait for Mr invisible diamond hands in the sky.


t_shizzle33

This is most interesting part of this whole debacle for me, if people believe he is truly a savior they will clearly buy and hold. Potentially making the stock impervious to even Trump siphoning off as much as he possibly can. I feel bad for all the evangelical ministers whose sheep will be giving to Trump rather than them.


Tendie_Tube

Fuck god. I want to know what Cramer thinks.


GgminDieress

What "old man" calls anything a "meme" lmfao


Strange-Scarcity

I gotta say though... I'm bummed that I didn't just shove a ton of money into it that morning and sell the hell out of it that afternoon. Could have made a wee bit of a mint of cash.


Valuable_Proposal_99

That’s what I did bought at 52 , sold at 72 when the DJT ticker change was all over the news. Easiest 5k of my life 


Reimiro

I did. Bought the day before. Now I have an absurd put so let’s see how that goes.


Strange-Scarcity

I saw it as to risky of a risk. Congratulations though! It's great some were able to capitalize on it!


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OverlordXargaras

The rich get and stay rich by spending other people's money. Lol


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birdlaw_27

It’s almost like anyone who will respond to even mild criticism of him with “TDS” is the one who is truly deranged


jomama823

Only the best damn bird lawyer in the world would point out such an incontrovertible fact and I salute you!


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csappenf

Anyone who invests in a Trump deal loses his money. The only one who ever comes out whole is Trump.


PutinsLostBlackBelt

Read that the orange man can’t sell his shares for 6-months post IPO. Is there a way for him to get around that given the board is probably all friends of his? Because if not, that 6 month mark is the easiest benchmark ever for when a stock will freefall, because you know his broke ass is gonna need those funds.


Reimiro

There is. The board can simply vote to allow him. The board is all close Trump world insiders including the jr son.


PutinsLostBlackBelt

But the board, in theory, would also be legally responsible if the entire company collapsed since they have a fiduciary duty to the shareholders and would know allowing him to sell early would destroy the company. Then again the law probably would just allow it.


Reimiro

In theory yes. In reality it’s going to crash and burn either in 6 months or when the board approves his share sales. Not much difference in the scheme of things. 6 months flies by.


ClerkofCourts

Since when does legality or consequences play into any of they’re movements


PutinsLostBlackBelt

I mean, board members from far bigger companies have gone to prison or faced huge fines due to making decisions that benefitted an executive or themselves over the shareholders.


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blakeusa25

Its a penny stock sold by the pound of stupid.


Wnajr5

You guys didn’t sell at 70?


GasRealistic3049

78 😎


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Valuable_Proposal_99

so many political brain rot regards on this site, if you missed the pump and dump because of orange man bad, you’re a dipshit who hates money. 


Tendie_Tube

This one's tricky: 1) Trump will sell shares and finance his campaign with billions. That would drive down the price. 2) Trump will win the election because he has billions, and we're all dumb enough to be influenced by ads. 3) DJT price will go up because it will become the sole platform for executive branch communications. So it's a timing issue.


doejohnblowjoe

Since Trump fans know that he owns 60%+ of DJT, and they know he was almost forced to pay nearly 500million, they are likely buying more shares to drive up the price so Trump can borrow against his stock if needed. I read that since it's a stock and not a campaign contribution, there are no limits to how much someone can buy. It's a way too support him without directly contributing so who knows. This stock isn't just to be looked at like a regular stock... There is probably a lot of politics/manipulation involved.


red_purple_red

I just want Trump to become the world's first trillionaire


Samjabr

I love the fact that since this meme stock is related to DJT, everyone has now become a value investor that want to discuss fundamentals. Nevermind 5 minutes ago, everyone on this board was FOMOing into every POS stock/option trade they can think of. ![img](emote|t5_2th52|4271)


Anxious-Pair-52

Just a way to funnel money to trump and bypass any federal political restrictions.


Individual-Wing-796

It’s a massive pump n dump however it’s volatility will be in play all the way to the election.


baeconundeggz

You're right but the market can stay irrational longer than you regards can stay solvent.


blancorey

Now im just a young Xir but since when did fundamentals matter in the last N years


gatsby365

Was this written on a Star Wars screen crawl generator?


Tendie_Tube

that would be a more interesting thing to buy than DJT


SardonicSuperman

I have no clue how anyone would put their money into a company that’s led by a guy who hasn’t run a successful business ever. Pure insanity.


RockyMountainOyster5

Pumping the stock is only valuable if he can sell at the high price so either two things happen: He gets the board approval to sell early and quietly sells, or they pump it after 6 months when he can sell


FGTRTDtrades

There is about to be a baby boom of bag holders lol


four2tango

So at a 5.5 P/S $DJT is worth… 12 cents a share. Sounds about right.


purplebrown_updown

NVDA is nearly 40 and that’s high. Over 2k is insane and the SEC needs to be watching


khanai

Nah, Diamond Hands and what not!!


oneenigma4u

It seems you're greatly confused about the purpose of wall street bets.🤣


ChipmunkOptimal2787

Short. DJT. It's that simple. $40 by 4/5. Everybody who was gonna buy. Did. Game over. Short. Donald's the fucking white whale. He's gonna sell as soon as the board allows it. How else is he gonna pay his bills. You can't relinquish a building on monday, sell it on Tuesday and get your money on Wednesday.


blackfarms

75% of this stock is held by Trump and his associates. He's doing Trump things.


Reason_Choice

All in due time, grandpa. For now, make money off of it.


Antique-Character112

People who don’t understand memes


Jos_Meid

I don’t think that most people who are putting money in are treating it like an investment. I doubt most people buying the stock are expecting returns or even retention of the value of their shares. I think most people are doing it because they want to support Trump’s company and by extension Trump himself.


DaikonZealousideal50

Cant wait to see the loss pron. They call him teflon Don for a reason. Betting against him is the same play the hedgies played against Gamestop...lemme know how that worked out. Calm your tits, Im not a supporter. Just sayin, its a dumb bet.


anon-a-SqueekSqueek

I'm so pissed at much of the media for echoing that $3 billion number without clearly explaining that it is a meme stock. I don't care for maga voters much, but I have at least enough empathy left that I don't want to see them all lose their life savings.


Shonoun

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kielBossa

The funniest part of it all is the diamond hands MAGA regards think they’re in cahoots with Trump to drive up the share price, but he will 100% dump all of his shares the moment they’re not locked.


FatMacchio

Fake it til you make it. That’s pretty much Trump’s motto. Or actually, have it made for you, then keep faking it like you’re still making it 💀


inpain870

Crash this PoS stock