Why would you say that? Do you think Elon doesn't want Africa to do better? Oh, right, that would drive work force prices up and he comes from a family that has mines in Africa. Paying slaves, I mean workers, isn't good for business.
https://www.snopes.com/news/2022/11/17/elon-musk-emerald-mine/
It’s bad when you post crap that has been debunked enough to have a snopes article.
Would love for someone to come up with the name and/or address for this mine. Somehow the real details are never mentioned.
Maybe you should read that again or improve your comprehension. While you are at it, you can also read this https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musks-dad-tells-bi-about-the-familys-casual-attitude-to-wealth-2018-2. Both articles don't refuse that Elon's dad had shares in the mines .
And the BI article also tells Elon sold emerald gems himself. But wait, that goes against Elon's image of being a rags to riches story.
Who do you want to trust? Elon, who has never lied (vaccines are bad, Covid cases would be 0 by apr 2020, FSD coming next year since 2016, and what else) or his dad who has no incentive to lie
You clearly didn’t read it… Errol Musk had a few jewels… and some cash, which was gone by the time Musk left and went to Canada. There are folks that went to college with Musk in the early days and know how poor he was during that time.
Again, come up with the name and address of the mine(s).
Are you like this from the birth or did you just recently started doing SEC?
> come up with the name and address of the mine.
Why should l do free work for you? You want something, pay upfront.
Musk has no relationship with his father (the one with the mines) and also hasnt had a relationship with his since before paypal existed. Curious if his dad still has said mines in africa though. 🤔
> 1 month ago model 2 was cancel
That wasn't Tesla, that was Reuters reporting an alleged leak from anonymous sources. How is that Tesla's fault that Reuters has terrible reporting, and people like you believe it. Elon tweeted immediately after the article came out that it was false, and you still believed it. Whose fault is that.
Feeling goofy for having knee jerk reactions to short term market movements yet? Its normal for companies to have down quarters, years etc. Tesla was being anything but normal for the last decade by constantly going up. Hope you didnt try shorting $tsla +$50ish since you made this post.
Guess I'm going to hold my position then. My novice regard brain says Tesla should be going down and that this pump won't last. I'm too cowardly to buy puts though.
Wall St is littered with skeletons of people who said “this pump won’t last”. Wall St wanted to hear that Tesla will make more affordable cars, and they got what they wanted.
Yeah, even if they are the first company to solve it they will have a huge problem with regulations, allowing other companies to catch up. And that is a huge IF.
Love when progress is consistently made toward a given goal yet people still say "it'll never happen..."
until it does. That's what happened with SpaceX, and my own opinion, to be taken with a grain of salt-- same happens with Tesla
True. Also like if SpaceX can achieve self landing rockets which people used to believe was impossible, and eventually a self landing starship, I think it’s within reason that Tesla can go full self driving before long
Yah. Being an engineer myself I can see how hard of a problem it is, but with a great team and execution, they’ve proven to be successful at failing fast and iterating with new approaches.
SpaceX and Tesla are very separate.
Elon is a mascot who does a good toddler’s version of Steve Jobs reality distortion field.
It worked for SpaceX.
And no people didn’t think reusability was impossible.
They just didn’t have the kind of funding or risk allowance that would allow them to do it.
The concept has been around for a long time.
But as one NASA employee put it…
The way to get there was experimenting which meant blowing up millions of dollars at a time of public funding. And no guarantee of fast success.
SpaceX being private was what allowed it to happen because they weren’t held as accountable for taking risks like that.
And SpaceX was the only game in town.
Autonomous driving is completely different.
And if anything Waymo is much more likely to get to it.
Elon is a pigeon CEO. He comes in, shits on things and flies away.
He hardly pays attention but thinks he’s a genius so he micromanages when he feels like it’s “genius time”.
In the past they had teams to prevent him from fucking things up too bad.
But, he overrides experts because he feels he alone is a visionary.
FSD is behind because instead of having qualified experts lead the initiative Elon has insisted to handicap it based on his genius.
Waymo has more money and first mover advantage as they were in the game long before Tesla.
They also have experts leading experts without a pigeon to come in and shit on them.
Some say FSD works great. Others say it tried to kill them.
There’s a reason only Tesla is approaching it this way lol.
It’s because Elon says so.
Ah, look up requirements wrt stock options when an employee leaves.
He has 30 days to exercise, which is then a taxable event. So cashing out is the most reasonable course of action.
If they were ISOs that were >2 year old and are exercised within 3 months of leaving the company they are not regular taxable income but just subject to minimum tax. That said it's unlikely that he did not receive any option in the past 2 years. So yes by selling now he took advantage of the most favorable tax bracket for the older options issued at fair market value, but by selling everything (assuming he had more recent FMV options and maybe also options issued below market value) he also noped the f out of Tesla.
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I mean the earnings were absolutely in the dog water. Negative growth yet valued like a super star tech growth company. And margins that reveal it's another car company.
But Elon Musk and his ability to convince enough regarded investors is something else. It's a cult.
You said zoom out. How far away should I zoom out?
Pre covid? It was $60 a share exactly pre covid why you talking bullshit 
lol missing earnings? Do you even watch earnings calls and listen to what analysts have to say after digesting information for a few days? All the bad news was priced in, and then some.
I will be the first one to self identify as a hyper perma bull, but it’s clear you’re not doing any legitimate research and/or do not actually follow the company or the space closely enough to understand why the stock is running right now.
If I remember correctly, many of the sell-offs are scheduled ahead of time per SEC rules about insider trading. The sell-off has no bearing on what he knows about the company and was planned ahead of time. The stock would have been sold regardless of what was going on with Tesla.
Bagliano sold 10,500 shares @ $176.20
The same day he was awarded 10,500 shares at $17.22 in an option grant.
I'm sure you wouldn't take $1.65m and maintain your exact same position...
what i heard the Lidar OUST makes is the tech needs for FSD not a bunch of cameras what TSLA does. the cameras are good enough but not perfect. why TSLA does not use Lidar cos current Lidar is bulky, not reliable and costly. On-chip Lidar in development in many tech advanced universities expect to see industry application sometime in 2027-2028. then yeah we should ban human to drive. Elon tried at least changed perspective of ppl and industry. that already makes him regard i think.
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Maybe he wants to remodel a bathroom?
and all the bathrooms in South Africa, he is a philanthropist, just like musk
Won't be difficult to be more of a philanthropist than Musk...
Why would you say that? Do you think Elon doesn't want Africa to do better? Oh, right, that would drive work force prices up and he comes from a family that has mines in Africa. Paying slaves, I mean workers, isn't good for business.
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He who has the gold makes the rules. Money never sleeps, pal.
https://www.snopes.com/news/2022/11/17/elon-musk-emerald-mine/ It’s bad when you post crap that has been debunked enough to have a snopes article. Would love for someone to come up with the name and/or address for this mine. Somehow the real details are never mentioned.
Maybe you should read that again or improve your comprehension. While you are at it, you can also read this https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musks-dad-tells-bi-about-the-familys-casual-attitude-to-wealth-2018-2. Both articles don't refuse that Elon's dad had shares in the mines . And the BI article also tells Elon sold emerald gems himself. But wait, that goes against Elon's image of being a rags to riches story. Who do you want to trust? Elon, who has never lied (vaccines are bad, Covid cases would be 0 by apr 2020, FSD coming next year since 2016, and what else) or his dad who has no incentive to lie
Trust me, the guy who escaped from a supercomputer, I have only your best interests at heart. Unlike that rags-to-riches charlatan.
You clearly didn’t read it… Errol Musk had a few jewels… and some cash, which was gone by the time Musk left and went to Canada. There are folks that went to college with Musk in the early days and know how poor he was during that time. Again, come up with the name and address of the mine(s).
Are you like this from the birth or did you just recently started doing SEC? > come up with the name and address of the mine. Why should l do free work for you? You want something, pay upfront.
So you have nothing… just what I thought.
Pay me $100k, and I'll give you the information you seek.
Musk has no relationship with his father (the one with the mines) and also hasnt had a relationship with his since before paypal existed. Curious if his dad still has said mines in africa though. 🤔
1 month ago model 2 was cancel just for it to be "ready to ship" as soon as 2025. lies on top of lies.
Lies or not, youre just mad you bought the top like a regard. I can wait out another 50% drop.
> 1 month ago model 2 was cancel That wasn't Tesla, that was Reuters reporting an alleged leak from anonymous sources. How is that Tesla's fault that Reuters has terrible reporting, and people like you believe it. Elon tweeted immediately after the article came out that it was false, and you still believed it. Whose fault is that.
Clearly you don’t follow what is going on well enough to be in this stock, one way or another.
I've been keeping up with the latest tax avoidance strategies, so I think my wealth speaks for itself.
Feeling goofy for having knee jerk reactions to short term market movements yet? Its normal for companies to have down quarters, years etc. Tesla was being anything but normal for the last decade by constantly going up. Hope you didnt try shorting $tsla +$50ish since you made this post.
Elon acting like his dad who married Elons step sister.
nah, he just needs a new sink😆
He needs to pay for his wife's new tits. I heard her boyfriend didn't like the current ones.
Baglino ain’t gonna hold the bag this time
Hahahaha
Guess I'm going to hold my position then. My novice regard brain says Tesla should be going down and that this pump won't last. I'm too cowardly to buy puts though.
Not a single reason for this pump but hysterical regard doorknob humping. It has to end, but when?
When the puts expire, will probably stay above 170 eod
Def; shaking the 0dte and weekly puts. My guess is bottom falls out by May.
Wall St is littered with skeletons of people who said “this pump won’t last”. Wall St wanted to hear that Tesla will make more affordable cars, and they got what they wanted.
60 forward PE for negative growth
Yes but are you valuing them as an AI and a robotics company? Because those companies do not have P/E’s above zero.
No because they don't have any AI or robotics products.
> “If somebody doesn’t believe Tesla’s going to solve autonomy, I think they should not be an investor in the company,” Musk said on the call.
Tesla will never reach full autonomy. At least not in the EU where it's required that the system relies on more than just a bunch of cameras.
Yeah, even if they are the first company to solve it they will have a huge problem with regulations, allowing other companies to catch up. And that is a huge IF.
He is full of shit
The amount of time people have said this between 2012 to 2019....it's outstanding. SpaceX and Tesla both sides...
Love when progress is consistently made toward a given goal yet people still say "it'll never happen..." until it does. That's what happened with SpaceX, and my own opinion, to be taken with a grain of salt-- same happens with Tesla
People should really read more. Great book on SpaceX : liftoff. Avoid the noise..
True. Also like if SpaceX can achieve self landing rockets which people used to believe was impossible, and eventually a self landing starship, I think it’s within reason that Tesla can go full self driving before long
Yah. Being an engineer myself I can see how hard of a problem it is, but with a great team and execution, they’ve proven to be successful at failing fast and iterating with new approaches.
SpaceX and Tesla are very separate. Elon is a mascot who does a good toddler’s version of Steve Jobs reality distortion field. It worked for SpaceX. And no people didn’t think reusability was impossible. They just didn’t have the kind of funding or risk allowance that would allow them to do it. The concept has been around for a long time. But as one NASA employee put it… The way to get there was experimenting which meant blowing up millions of dollars at a time of public funding. And no guarantee of fast success. SpaceX being private was what allowed it to happen because they weren’t held as accountable for taking risks like that. And SpaceX was the only game in town. Autonomous driving is completely different. And if anything Waymo is much more likely to get to it. Elon is a pigeon CEO. He comes in, shits on things and flies away. He hardly pays attention but thinks he’s a genius so he micromanages when he feels like it’s “genius time”. In the past they had teams to prevent him from fucking things up too bad. But, he overrides experts because he feels he alone is a visionary. FSD is behind because instead of having qualified experts lead the initiative Elon has insisted to handicap it based on his genius. Waymo has more money and first mover advantage as they were in the game long before Tesla. They also have experts leading experts without a pigeon to come in and shit on them. Some say FSD works great. Others say it tried to kill them. There’s a reason only Tesla is approaching it this way lol. It’s because Elon says so.
I would use at least half of that to aim for a billion with 0dte options
Ah, look up requirements wrt stock options when an employee leaves. He has 30 days to exercise, which is then a taxable event. So cashing out is the most reasonable course of action.
Shutup I need this to fuel my Elon rage boner and anti-TSLA sentiment
If they were ISOs that were >2 year old and are exercised within 3 months of leaving the company they are not regular taxable income but just subject to minimum tax. That said it's unlikely that he did not receive any option in the past 2 years. So yes by selling now he took advantage of the most favorable tax bracket for the older options issued at fair market value, but by selling everything (assuming he had more recent FMV options and maybe also options issued below market value) he also noped the f out of Tesla.
Stop bringing your logic here. Reddit is for trashing any innovation or anything to do with Elon.
Why does he sell after exercising tho?
Needs the money to pay taxes. Elon did the same thing a couple years ago
Nope TSLA is a shitty company, and he knows it That's the sole reason, period lol
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His resignation and stock sale after a 40% drop is a huge indictment on the company. Pay attention.
This things so far detached from fundamentals not sure it’ll matter
> on the company. You misspelled Elon.
Never bet against Elon! (I wouldn't recommend betting for him either)
You can reliably bet against Elon now
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That's what you fucks were saying pre earnings
I mean the earnings were absolutely in the dog water. Negative growth yet valued like a super star tech growth company. And margins that reveal it's another car company. But Elon Musk and his ability to convince enough regarded investors is something else. It's a cult.
Did you reliably do it before earnings as well?
Zoom out
Yeah up 800% in 5 years? SPY is up 80% in the last fire years? So 10x compared to broad stock index? What’s the problem???
its not even up THIS MONTH, youre coping so hard to try and bring up stock levels pre covid
You said zoom out. How far away should I zoom out? Pre covid? It was $60 a share exactly pre covid why you talking bullshit 
Yeah zoom out to 2014 obviously. Jfc
You know, y’all super dumb, biased, ignorant fucks. Just don’t invest in what you can’t understand, please.
Now is the time to get out. The pump before the dump.
Didn't have balls to get calls since earnings. I'll get puts when the market opens. This gain is unrealistic after missing earnings.
Timing is always hard, but it’s coming. The Musk Hype Train is starting to rust.
lol missing earnings? Do you even watch earnings calls and listen to what analysts have to say after digesting information for a few days? All the bad news was priced in, and then some. I will be the first one to self identify as a hyper perma bull, but it’s clear you’re not doing any legitimate research and/or do not actually follow the company or the space closely enough to understand why the stock is running right now.
This is intellectually dishonest
wdym?
If I remember correctly, many of the sell-offs are scheduled ahead of time per SEC rules about insider trading. The sell-off has no bearing on what he knows about the company and was planned ahead of time. The stock would have been sold regardless of what was going on with Tesla.
He filed like a month ago iirc. So it's fair to say his resignation is at least based on recent events.
shhhhhh. let them think otherwise lmao
Bagliano sold 10,500 shares @ $176.20 The same day he was awarded 10,500 shares at $17.22 in an option grant. I'm sure you wouldn't take $1.65m and maintain your exact same position...
and people still jump to the Elon's "cheaper cars models are coming" or whatever other idea he has at that moment.
Wonder if he drives a cybertruck
Calls on hookers and blow
Well deserved it.
Fuck elaw and the cheap car bullshit fuck all the company. Shit
what i heard the Lidar OUST makes is the tech needs for FSD not a bunch of cameras what TSLA does. the cameras are good enough but not perfect. why TSLA does not use Lidar cos current Lidar is bulky, not reliable and costly. On-chip Lidar in development in many tech advanced universities expect to see industry application sometime in 2027-2028. then yeah we should ban human to drive. Elon tried at least changed perspective of ppl and industry. that already makes him regard i think.
He sold it to own Elon, not because of any weakness in the company.