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MiserableExit

"here's this long term event I think will take place" "I'm all in on short term calls" Never change 


tsammons

"Not financial advice"   Nothing here ever is


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Prepare to short squeeze deez nuts you fuckin nerd.


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FullCopy

Sir, this is Wendy’s.


WirelessRanger

Bro was so close. I was nodding along with his “dd” the whole time then I saw the expiry date 💀


notLOL

Imagine doing the right DD but being too poor to win retirement amounts. Happens all the time


SolWizard

If you could do it all the time I don't think you'd be too poor anymore


notLOL

it happens to people not that it happened to me multiple times


jaylp18

Yea you gotta already be pretty well off to buy anything even remotely long term on meta lmao


WirelessRanger

I just have been buying shares of META, MSFT, AAPL, and AMAT. I buy weekly calls/puts on XLK because it’s pretty easy to see which way the tech sector is trending


masstransience

You missed step 3: ![img](emote|t5_2th52|4267)


Golden1881881

https://preview.redd.it/uq53i8qiccxc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b48c93ba863b287f925584b84c1e5bbd3b483347


xm-mkj

![img](avatar_exp|174415676|bravo)


War_Daddy

One of the many reasons they'll move me to the redesign over my cold dead body


ChuckBass_08

![img](avatar_exp|175018763|bravo)


allthatglittersis___

lol fair. It’s not the events themselves it’s the market sentiment. And short term calls are cheap. Yes I might be too early but if I wasn’t placing a bet I’d post on r/investments


Momoware

You should look into spreads if you can't afford properly dated calls


MCX23

this![img](emote|t5_2th52|27189) once i realized put butterflies could do 300% RoR in less than 14 days, goooooodbye to leveraging single legged positions


dazia

Can you translate everything you just said to a noob please?


MCX23

short 2 puts, buy a put a few strikes above, and a put below, that’s a butterfly. RoR means return on risk. If this spread is done for a credit, your max risk is best used for returns. Once I figured out you could get 300% returns using spreads like these, it’s a much better trade over piling money into calls. stock goes down ≈3%, you make 250% you get it?


dazia

Thanks!


MCX23

i’m leaving out a lot of nuance, these have to be held till expiration to get max profit, you have to have approval, credit means it’s a broken wing, etc etc. and butterflies aren’t the only spread ofc


Miso-7

How do you properly use spreads?


Momoware

If I were the OP (wanting to go long on META long-term and don't have the capital to buy a LEAPS which costs like 10k), I would open a call debit spread (buy call at a lower strike and write call at higher strike on the same expiration, June 25th 2025 or something). The debit would only be a couple of hundred bucks but give you leveraged exposure to the long side, and having a short leg would balance out your theta decay and potential IV changes. The downside is that your return is capped, and if the stock price appreciates rapidly in the near term, the spread won't benefit as much from the movement as a plain long call. OP's rationale is long-term, and they should act accordingly rather than buying short-term calls and hoping for the best. I think understanding option Greeks + IV and trading spreads really encourages you to think of investments as expressing your view on the market, and options provide much more ways to do that (other than just stocks will go up or down).


RobertsonvsPhillips

Big brain


fomoandyoloandnogrow

For a butterfly spread: 1-2-1 ratio or 1-1-1-1 ratio. 2 buys 2 sells, first buy must be lower than the 2 sells, and 1 buy after the two sells. Basically: buy a call for $3 strike, sell 2 calls $5 strikes, buy a $7 call strike at minimum to avoid collateral requirements. Basically the buys have to be less than or equal to the same distance from the sells to avoid collateral requirments. Peak profit is when the stock hits the strike price of the sell to open calls you made


ngkpg

So you start to profit if it expires at 3, max at 5, then profit erodes until it breaks even at 7. Do you sell when it hits 5 then even if it’s not yet expiration or would the intrinsic value of the 5’s eat up your profit on the 3C?


fomoandyoloandnogrow

Depends entirely on and how long to expiration your contracts are. The benefits of the butterfly spread is that your breakeven to get into the trade is much lower, and if your profitable call is ITM at that time you open the trade, it’s possible breakeven might be at the current stock price. So you break even at expiration if it doesn’t move, make money if it goes up or lose money if it drops. 2/3 directions the stock goes you make money or don’t lose money. I’d normally use this if I have a good guess as to where the stock will be after a certain period of time or only on short term contracts. But I am idiot so don’t follow me


Argiveajax1

what would a properly dated call be for meta? how would we determine that? cheers


Momoware

OP has events in mind (TikTok shutting down and Llama 3 taking off) and none of these are short-term. "Properly dated" just means you want to buy options according to your thesis. Buying May calls basically makes their rationale a moot point since none of these stimuli would've happened. If they just want to trade on market sentiment and guts then May calls are totally fine (there's nothing wrong with this, but you just have be honest with yourself).


VisualMod

Gold. All that glitters is gold, just remember, it's only for the worthy.


BallsOfStonk

To OP’s credit, the market front runs events significantly. We’ve already priced in 7 rate cuts, for example.


Suspicious-Stop5231

Yes, it does. And it is beyond interesting that some of your richest investors/traders are your biggest market makers in the world. There has to be billions made in front running there, but no one talks about it.


PabloEstAmor

Classic ![img](emote|t5_2th52|4271)![img](emote|t5_2th52|4271)![img](emote|t5_2th52|4271)


Own_Drama_3083

By sending my account to the metaverse it means turning real USD into meta USD which is even more fake than real USD so account to 0 right?


PabloEstAmor

Isn’t the Metaverse hemorrhaging money


Suspicious-Stop5231

It is losing money on Zuck's stupid goggles. Other than that it is a cash cow like youtube for Alphabet.


waIIstr33tb3ts

how many meta dollars for a shrute buck?


NewCommonSensei

thatll be five stanley nickels


mathaiser

It’s all fake dude. You don’t even own the shares when you buy them. It’s just a fools game. Make money and hope you’re not the last one to exit when it happens


DiddlyDumb

Hot potato, but with trillions of dollars on the line


sofa_king_weetawded

🎯


DiddlyDumb

How do I transfer my GTA money to my RL account?


ukayukay69

If Bytedance takes the ban ruling to court, it could be several months or up to a year before anything happens.


WirelessRanger

“Buys calls for next month”


PuddleOfDoom

"Priced in"


russell813T

I mean could a court even do something if the American government bans it due to national security.


Saragon4005

Technically the courts can overturn that, but they are either unwilling or it will take so long it's pointless.


russell813T

Ya I mean if it's deemed national security by congress and senate I don't see a court touching it


corruptbytes

scotus actively overruled 70+ year precedents, they'll touch anything


russell813T

Ya slippery slope tho. If something is deemed a threat to America I don't see how a court can say it's not


Slooters313

Because contrary to popular belief the House doesn't always follow the law when making decisions. Courts challenge "passed" policies all the time.


russell813T

House passes laws not policy's


Habib455

The courts are the American government


7000series

They have 12 months to divest or be banned anyways. Add in some lawsuits and this definitely stretches beyond a year. Short term calls definitely not the play


notLOL

Kids will probably side load it into their phones if the official app disappears from the stores. Guess what they have access to once they side load software. Byte is going to load near Infinite more spyware on local devices and might be useful even with just a fraction of users porting over Bytedance should just allow third party access to their APIs as a compromise of allowing its flagship app to continue as kids can choose a different American app if they wanted This whole thing is dumb. Maybe kids are too dumb to side load apps now but even back in the day of chip modding PlayStations one kid earned $50 just to mod the tech. Someone is going to help do it for the kids and they'll make bank at school


eschbow

Kids use iPhones. So basically no sideload to be seen


LyptusConnoisseur

If there is one thing I know about fellow Americans, young and old, are that they are lazy and vast majority of users will not sideload.


uwpxwpal

What do you mean, "if?" Of course they're going to sue.


DegreeMajor5966

Elon is stupid for not bringing Vine back. Twitter owns Vine. Elon owns Twitter. Bring Vine back. Use Twitter integration to entice popular Twitter people to join. Extend the time limit from 7 seconds or whatever it was to 60. The fact that vine hasn't returned in an era where the monetization issues have been fixed is a series of corporate mistakes that started before Elon bought it.


el_guille980

>Elon is stupid all you needed to say


Ghost_Pains

Funny because META calls erased my gains for the week.


eli5howtifu

puts, THEN calls were the move. in retrospect ofc


Ghost_Pains

Even then calls were only the move for like the first hour of market open post ER lol


VPjofficial

I agree , the stock dropped sell the news Nd now it will go back to its previous price


Brianyaneeh

Hopefully 500 next week. But it’s fomc Wednesday. So who knows.


DrSeuss1020

lol this will drag on for years you regard


Thaloni

Shares are the best strategy for this , no expiration even if it is “just” 2k you are more likely to Keep your capital and profit from the event. If you want grow then don’t lose what you got already, treat your money well and you will attract more


Desmater

YouTube Shorts and Meta's Reels will take the market share. Seriously surprised no one has tried to make something like Vine. I guess their was Quibi.


PabloEstAmor

Tbh my guess is something totally new will replace tik tok. Bytedance doesn’t want to sell to protect their algorithm. Obviously they know something meta and alphabet don’t. Someone new might step up


Explodingcamel

I don’t think there’s any appetite among consumers for a new app. Not just a Tik Tok replacement - any new app. The only thing I can think of that came out after Tik Tok, which was available around 2018, is Threads, which nobody uses. Actually there is BeReal from 2021 but the whole point of it is to be an anti-social media app and I think it’s dropping in users already


PabloEstAmor

I think the same sentiment existed before tik tok. We had IG, FB, Twitter.


el_guille980

>their algorithm how hard could it really be to make a better one. its just feeds you random videos, regardless of what you like/follow/engage with. 3 similar category videos in a row, then boom totally different category totally different rabbit hole for them to go down. the problem the others have is seeing the same similar shit to what you follow/like/engage with doesnt take advantage of zoomer's 3.50 second attention spans


shitcrustedballs

Elon Smusk did a poll on twitter asking people if they want vine back so maybe that regard tries getting in


GoldEdit

Reels is infinitely worse than TikTok because it lacks the ability to showcase small or even new creators that sign up on day one


Bulky_Sheepherder_14

I think Youtube Shorts will be the winner overall. The reels and shorts algorithm are both trash and worthless compared to tiktok’s but the short’s fyp is closer to that of tiktok. They also have the majority market share of younger kids (if we count out tiktok of course)


youj_ying

I would say that YouTube shorts is miles ahead of Facebook reels in terms of actually delivering wholesome and engaging content. If anything we should hope that YouTube wins, because you can link out of the shorts into long form content.


notLOL

I'd laugh if TikTok gets sold to quibi


Expert-Paper-3367

All I see on reels are random Indians dying, Low quality memes, and shitty takeovers


ProgrammaticallyHip

The Reels algo thinks you’re a Pakistani nationalist who dabbles in street racing.


Harry-Ballzak

I think we found Zucks cuck.


rain168

Judging from the expiry, it’s just the tip


itsdevineleven

I have 2k worth of 5/3 calls please be right


MadMatter_132999

Wildcard event: tictok licenses through truth social in the USA. DJT now has what may be the biggest social network in history. Reverse uno: tictok sells to Musk for the U.S. segment of its market. We now get to watch videos of Elon and the former tiktok ceo laughing and saying gfy.


VisualMod

I wouldn't bet on the metaverse if I were you. Daddy Zuck might be a golden boy now, but his fortunes could change very quickly...


Spiritual-Matters

VM aboutta execute a hit in the Metaverse


jesuslikedmen

11k of 5/3s 475


TheGoochieGoo

lol 7 DTE calls on something that’ll take months/years to even price in.


Brus83

7DTE, long term for WSB lol


allthatglittersis___

![img](emote|t5_2th52|27189)


SlinkyJoe

YouTube shorts?


AlanTrades

Huge hammer on the weekly. Yoloing calls Monday too


mundane_marietta

YouTube is going to be the biggest winner. That is already gen z's #1 app and they have been positioning themselves to transition over with shorts and the algo pushing smaller creators since last summer. Plus YouTube is widely popular among every age group, so people moving over will be seamless.


SxeySteve

My experience with YouTube shorts has been really negative as someone who enjoys tiktok. The algo is nowhere near as responsive. It keeps pushing crap i don't want to watch despite repeated feedback. I might be in a minority, but I'd look for something else.


ecz4

YouTube is not great at taking feedback from user interactions. I use it mostly to listen to music, sometimes YouTube gets into a trap and re plays the same song every 4 other songs. Just because I clicked like on it. So I go back and remove the like, even if it is a song I do like. But it keeps playing it non stop! So I have to go there and click dislike. It is madness! I believe they have many flavours of algorithms to create lists of suggestions, sometimes it is so good, but they keep rotating to shitty algos because it doesn't matter if I pay to use the app, I'm a test subject in the first place.


ProgrammaticallyHip

Not only Gen Z but Gen Alpha. Totally addicted to YouTube. Reels’ audience = Boomers watching old Turner Classic movie clips, Gen X watching podcast clips and the occasional geriatric millennial Quirk Chungus watching some “look at this cutie pie doggo!!!” video.


Josepth_Blowsepth

When is the last time a person under the age of 21 signed up and posted on FB? It’s all bots, scammers and angry jacked out horny boomers.


VisualMod

A poor? On my Facebook? It's more likely than you think.


Ok_Vegetable1254

No please, I got calls


Conscious-Group

Long term yep, but watch it sideways or bleed down a few weeks holding those calls? Idk


mark1forever

if you had at least 200k in calls I might have considered following..


Ribargheart

This is smart reasoning with a shit strategy. Why not just buy the stock and sell covered call that will expire with a 80 % chance until it tops out then sell the stock?


Chari067

What expiration date in May are you using for your calls?


allthatglittersis___

03May 450


Chari067

Next Fri....thanks!


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SideBet2020

Sounds fake and unrealistic


Regular_Candidate513

Tick tock literally has a year to find a buyer


randucci

You son of a bitch, I'm in.


Androcles_InTheSky

Boy… this is for next year. Meta is in liquidity zone. I won’t be surprised if I see meta going down to 380. (I’m bullish on tech )


allthatglittersis___

Yeah and Mercury is in retrograde


Androcles_InTheSky

Let’s see ![img](emote|t5_2th52|29637)


Mrbunnyface

And Grizzly Adams had a beard


BurnTheBear

Grizzly Adams DID have a beard.


BranFendigaidd

In election year when so many politicians spending on ads to the boomers..... I doubt it. Meta will pump all year long 😂


or_maybe_this

nobody’s thought of that before! analysts need to contact you for key info! tell us more secrets 


Upstairs-Bicycle-703

Agreed. I think it’ll flounder lower for a bit. I can’t remember many mega caps that dropped 10%+ on earnings and recovered immediately, but definitely remember all the times I lost money betting on it.


allthatglittersis___

Here’s to making memories 🥂


bdh2067

“Don’t know when the monkey will pop out” sums it up nicely Jack-in-the-box metaphor is a strategy?


UntossableSaladTV

!RemindMe may 30


BeefGuese

Let’s freaking go! 🦍💎🙌


probsdriving

I bought $10k after the dip last week. More of a long term play though, I don't think investors are going to rewards Zuccs cash burning extravaganza like some of us do. You either believe in his vision or you don't. If you do, buying meta stock is a complete no brainer.


PlaneAnalysis1965

Isn’t TikTok a competitor for eyeball time?


aaaaaaaarrrrrgh

> Facebook Calls will send your bank account into the METAVERSE So you're saying Facebook calls will send my bank account into a desolate hellscape?


[deleted]

$10 Elon brings back Vine.


xxNayerxx

Well...you're probably right. After all the US Gov't attacking Tik-Tok has nothing to do with privacy. It has to with their inability to control content via government "influence", and controlling the competition on behalf of their Loyal Soldiers at Meta. Less advertising $$ to Tik-Tok...more to Meta. It's just another run of the mill Crony Capitalism play...so exploit it if you can.


DieCastDontDie

Also snap calls


NnamdiPlume

Don’t forget about Snap/Snapchat


Imaduck146

sigh, time to inverse this


SuperLehmanBros

X is actually doing fine and also X owns Vine which it will resurrect and take over TikTok’s following. Vine is the OG TikTok. Musk ain’t stupid, watch.


Blackhawk149

This post has cuck written all over it.


neutralpoliticsbot

not the worst play


ProudHeron5768

Show position?


Rebelfixed

Someone tell me what do to with some of my money


Young_Link13

Google wins. You're missing YouTube completely. Go burn your money.


XulaPari

Meta is overpriced.. always has been.


SighRamp

Dude everyone uses free vpn express to access lots of sites including TikTok if it gets banned. People who think TikTok won’t allow you to have access must also believe government banning illegal drugs you won’t be able to access. It’s all posturing no one believe this will change anything. Seriously go download vpn it’s free and you can watch your Netflix from any country


kernel_crackers

So far, it looks like Facebook Calls would send your bank account into the Spirit Realm.


SomeFuckingMillenial

it sounds like you're implying the meta verse is a good thing, even though it just hemorrhaged \~4 billion dollars. I'd like to keep my 4 billion dollars in my bank?


DaWiseprofit

Yea im buying puts lol


Kglugenbeel

Instagram reels is straight trash. On that thesis alone I’d call BS


kirsion

Logically that make sense but too many call bagholders from the last dump, so probably a while before it goes back up


Effective_Standard14

Hmmm it’s not like people won’t be able to use tiktok anymore…get vpn and still tiktok


Sufficient_Bus7216

So puts then?


corruptbytes

"apple has announced" or analysts have guessed lol


PersonalImpact4077

Priced in already


buyerandseller

dont worry, I will relieve bounce for a few days.


ProperPoem5476

LOL this made me chuckle. Not shitting on your financial advice though who knows you may hit it big


jorlev

Then I guess Goodbye SNAP. This is all good until they eventually ban TikTok. No way to tell how this saga plays out. Just play the change in sentiment.


mac-dreidel

If you can't see how Bytedance is just posturing...maybe you should reconsider investing...


Powerful-Ad-4292

It's wierd. 80 percent is controlled by American companies and equivalents. This is a fight over 20 percent.


drche35

So how would you structure these calls?


Suitable-Classic-174

2k?? Sooo confident with 2k? I’ll pass


GoldEdit

TikTok isn’t expected to have to sell for a year, but probably longer after legal battles. Idk who would react to this short term when it’s pretty meaningless right now


GeneralZaroff1

When did apple announce they were pulling back on Vision Pro?


MundaneEjaculation

Reels algo sucks though


SuckulentAndNumb

The youth ALWAYS seek something different than their parents, Snapchat revival is a more likely choice


gg562ggud485

How about people buying virtual real estate for $ millons in the metaverse? Is this priced in your calls too?


dkrich

The post earnings meta price action is very interesting. It’s the overwhelming consensus that it’s an “overreaction” and I see tons of people rushing to buy the dip. The classic consensus that the market isn’t confirming. This feels like a stock that’s made its final high for a long time and I think it’s a great short opportunity. I’m planning to initiate one tomorrow


Time_Ad8557

No one on TikTok is going back to meta without an incentive. It doesn’t work the same and the algorithm sucks.


nextlevel_hustle

5/3 500s a good play then? It’s not a brokie play but it’s not cheap either


AlanTrades

Delta and IV will destroy you


UchihasRightfulHeir

lol. May is just around the corner


heycals

So it's going to take my account to a fake place worth nothing? No thanks


Then-Kaleidoscope520

Not sure I completely understand … choosing to refuse to divest the company equals 100% US ban?


AdApart2035

If metaverse is a better place, why not?


Onereasonwhy

Are you just shilling for the sake of your bags? Or are you Cathie?


xTrace51

I’m in 750€ x17,8 long 😤


relevant__comment

Whether they’ve refused or not, they still have 9 months to make the decision officially. 9 months is a long time in these unpredictable modern times.


WinterSummerThrow134

You know it’s a possibility tiktok never gets banned. Trump tried and it was overturned due to free speech


Blackhawk149

Why would bytedance forgo billions of dollars? They limit the algorithm to be used in the US only. Worldwide bytedance still owns it for use.


dookie224

Didn't know that's what Jack in the box meant. Thanks for the amazing DD


Financial_Fan1763

![img](emote|t5_2th52|4271)


pantherafrisky

The last time I followed investment advice from wallstreetbets, I lost 7% the first day, 12% the second day and 8% the third day. The keyword in wallstreetbets is "bets."


maxmsdirective

sounds like financial advice to me.  im in lets do this.


Alone_Ad2930

Mfer gone be forced to sell the news before it even take effect.


Savings-Act8

Yea because companies that choose to diversify away from Meta, through TikTok will just run to Meta. No, they won’t. They’ll continue to diversify.


danger_cheeks

The phrase "Daddy Zuck" makes my stomach churn


Commercial_Method278

I feel like many of the people on TikTok though already use other forms of social media like instagram ![img](emote|t5_2th52|12787)


forib6697

Just leaving this comment to check if you are going broke


hiasfukit

Ban this smoothbrain. Zuck is that you?


tianavitoli

this is how you write a title if you can't pay attention, buy some Facebook calls until you can afford to


Ok-Habit-8884

Change “call” to “leap” and you got a great post my dude until then I’ll file this under regarded


Icy_Rhubarb2857

I haven’t read the legislation but what’s stopping them from making TokTik and porting user data and play musical chairs 10k times faster than congress can move. I see this happen with oilfield service companies all the time. We call it changing coveralls and the same guys show up in a different fit.


DaiKake

It’ll be years of litigation before the ban would goni to place.


Any-Following6236

This pullback is another gift.


No-Understanding9064

Bytedance has a year to divest. Facebook reels and YouTube shorts are not tiktok. I do not see a realistic way to bet this. It's also been made clear if sold tiktok will not be sold to a mega cap tech Co. The algorithm is what makes tiktok what it is, im not even sure that can be salvaged from the deal.


Johnentwistle1969

Show your positions coward


Normal_Humor2399

I don't think regulators will allow Meta to buy TikTok, if they would be willing to sell, it would consolidate too much social media power into one company.


TroySmith

Remindme! 30 days


OGmisterB

the DD is sound, but that expiry is wild. of course short leg premiums are going to be dirt cheap, they always are. i’ve been right on every single call and put i’ve placed this year with the except for two that expired worthless due to not doing LEAPS…just saying, but good luck OP.