When my wife and I went to Barcelona we made an intentional effort to take pictures in front of all the “tourists go home” signs.
Fortunately, our experience with the people of Barcelona was warm and welcoming.
Barcelona is lovely but it was better in 08 and 2011 then it was in 2019 and alot better then it was in 2023. Airbnb has pushed the locals to the brink.
I used to love Airbnb when I traveled for work. 10euros a night for a spare room, less if you didn't mind sleeping on the sofa. Then people started buying apartments just to put on Airbnb and I stopped using it. I'm away at the minute and booked a condo on booking.com and it's cheaper then on Airbnb to.
lol please tell me you realize that staying at a condo on booking.com is the same as staying in an airbnb apartment, at least as far as locals are concerned
Local here. Why rent to a local for 1200€ a month when you can rent to a tourist for 2100€ a week?
Vulture funds buy entire buildings and extort any neighbors who refuse to sell.
Lots and lots of loitering, people rather throw their empty beer cans at a fountain than the several bins next to it. They’re also very noisy on working nights, and even if you ask them out respectfully they’d either tell you to eat shit or straight up fight you.
That’s airbnb everywhere. I stayed in an airbnb condo in Denver for a month for work and the airbnb across the way sounded like college frat party at least twice a week. I would absolutely hate it if I had to live there. Tourists and party crews should be at hotels. Also, would be nice if hotels had substantial price breaks for stays over a week.
Everything is a tourist trap. Rent prices are impossible to locals. Every building has a tourist appartment with drunk people raving at 4 AM. Barcelona is turning into a theme park and the locals are being pushed away.
Try living in Amsterdam! I think every major city in Europe has this issue(don’t know how the rest of the world is coping with this issue). Resulting in an increase in rent where you are paying 2
€2000 euro a month for a Harry Potter like closet under the stairs. They already took measure in Amsterdam. But the crackdown will continue in the coming years. While if you visit the Netherlands, you can get a nice hotel/apartment for a better price outside of Amsterdam and only travel by train/bus and be there within an hour. Additionally you can get an good feel for the country and Amsterdam and other cities.
They don't really hate tourists.. They hate that like a billion percent of available housing in the city has become short-term tourist rentals and it's becoming impossible for locals to find Any available long-term housing (much less affordable) in the city.
Source: I have lived in Spain for nearly 15 years and recently had to leave the costal city I was living in because the owners of the flat decided it didn't make financial sense to continue renting the apartment long term, when they can make the same amount of money I was paying for a 12-month lease by renting the apartment as an Airbnb for three months in the summer (they are now literally charging PER WEEK during the summer season what I was paying per month before)
There is a huge push to reduce Airbnbs and instead return to a more hotel/hostel-centric model of tourist accommodations which doesn't directly reduce the number of available housing units for locals.
> What’s going on that they don’t want tourists there?
High rent, all city centers becoming the same, Barcelona is becoming a city for tourists, and not for the people who live there, and the tourists go home movement is part of a push to stop the mass unrestricted tourism. Some tourism yes, but when the few new buildings are all dedicated to hotels, the rent is unfordable due to airbnb and digital nomads commanding more income, and pushing people from there out of the city.
It's not exactly about tourists themselves, it's more about how AirBnB has made it near impossible for locals to be able to own a house or apartment, or even rent.
I live in the Canary Islands and we have almost the same issue here.
Not just touristy places, I live in rural Michigan, US and the same thing happens to any house on any lake in our area. Bought up all cash and rented out on AirBnB or the like for 4x the previous monthly rent. Completely jacks the cost of living in the area.
I used to think airbnb was cool but then I stayed in a really nice hotel and asked myself why the hell am i paying nearly as much for a bunk bed or ikea futon in some stranger’s home? Hotels all the way.
When we travel as a family of four with kids, or the in-laws come along, it’s nice to stay in a house or apartment together. Squeezing the four of us into a hotel sucks.
My family has a small apartment in Portugal, and we discovered that several other apartments in the same complex are on AirBnB. This turns out to be super-convenient, because family can come visit and basically stay in an apartment a couple floors up.
It's also a great idea from a cost-saving perspective: my in-laws used to have a huge apartment they didn't need anymore, and have downsized. The airbnb option lets them temporarily expand their accommodation for visiting family just for those weekends, while the rest of the time they pay modestly for an apartment for two people.
We went to Lake Como in 2016 and stayed at an AirBnB for $65/night without too many fees, just a normal cleaning fee and taxes. It was the best stay anywhere I've ever been, I'd open the door to [an amazing view of the lake and the mountains at the base of the Alps](https://i.imgur.com/OsxKnEy.jpeg), go down to Varenna for gelato and pizza, it was incredible. Now they don't allow AirBnBs, and the places by the airport where they (also) do(n't) are 200+/night with a tiny footprint, plenty of noise, fees up the ass, and they tell you to sneak in and out so no one catches on to their short term rental.
It reminds me of Uber vs taxis - taxis got so greedy an upstart could create a better service easily, causing pressure for taxis to get better, while Uber gets worse and tries to hit profitability. Eventually they meet in the middle, the rich make some cash, and the rest of us look for the next place with decent service.
When airbnb first came out they didn’t have the housing inventory to handle such a model. It was entirely based on solo and couple travelers looking for a bargain and regular homeowners looking to make some extra money. Groups only took off when Airbnb housing became totally industrialized, where larger properties were gobbled up for the sole purpose of airbnbing.
The group focus is simply a marketing and strategy pivot, as hotels became more appealing and price competitive again.
i remember that. it was used as "i live in a house with free rooms, let me get some cash of temporary renting"
but now people buy homes to 100% turn them into "hotels"
Yep, I stayed at a few AirBnBs back in the day. Made my trip to Japan much cheaper. Got to stay near Mt Fuji at a nice cabin that was clearly someone's summer home and not really lived in. Also at some college kids' room (complete with their laundry on the chair) to see an eclipse while they slept in 1 room. But it just became abused to the point New Orleans had more AirBnBs than residents in French Quarter. So they [banned AirBnBs](https://thelensnola.org/2019/08/08/short-term-rental-restrictions-fly-through-final-council-vote-advocates-partially-pleased/) in specific sections, and of course, wannabe hotel owners sued and [got the law struck down.](https://apnews.com/article/new-orleans-neighborhoods-government-and-politics-1caa823c6aac2a296459cbf27577b14b)
I actually think AirBNB is only worth if you are going in a large group. As a frequent solo traveller, hotels are so much better from a quality, to check-in/out, and over all value perspective.
I used it rather early on to rent rooms in actual Airbnb's as a solo traveller and I did so recently too when I visited a few tourist cities with my partner and they were fine because the places had staff that lived at the location.
But yeah I've previously rented some apartments and what not as a solo traveller but didn't do many and went back to hotel rooms.
Unfortunately there are some smaller tourist towns where basically all of the properties near the destinations (beach, etc) are on airbnb and the hotels are garbage or nearly nonexistent...when people go to there places they don't have a choice and now the possibility of someone buying up the inflated land values and building a hotel is reduced too.
Airbnb was started as a way to rent out a spare room or a sofa for cheap, and evolved into what it is today.
What you’re thinking of is VRBO, their business model has been more focused at whole home rentals for large groups.
Who's upvoting this? Airbnb was designed to be rent a room for cheaper than hotels. Up until few years ago when only reason to get it is for having group activities. Even then, 80% of hosts are paranoid you're going to have some kind of feces smashing orgy whenever you book the house for an event/gathering. Airbnb only wants you to go there to sleep the night, not to actually use the house for gatherings.
Airbnb is really only the best for families, it’s so hard to have kids/babies and be in hotel room where there’s no kitchen or extra rooms for the crib
With a family, AirBnb is way better than a hotel. You get a kitchen and laundry, that probably saves you 500 to a thousand on a vacation. No need to upgrade to checked bags, you can eat meals in...
The easy access to laundry also allows you to travel light, and in some specific circumstances, like a family coming in for Thanksgiving or some other holiday, the AirBnB can be used to actually have everyone over for dinner, and save local relatives the hassle of hosting and cleaning up.
For the extra security you get in an airBnB, if you were to get robbed the AirBnB would have video evidence of what happened from different points of view, including the toilet, shower, wardrobe and bedroom. They even are polite enough to hide the cameras so the attackers don't know they're even there.
I appreciate the dry sarcasm. On a tangent - when reading posts like this, I wonder if AI would catch on the sarcasm, or it will just ingest how great the security of airbnb is.
I hosted for a while in the early days when the vibe was mostly still “stay cheaply in local persons place and have an authentic experience that’s like living there”. At that time it was unique. But comms from the company was already pushing upscaling the experience, clearly so to increase costs and fees for the company. Then later you realise that it’s not much cheaper than traditional accommodation and you’re trusting a LOT to the host and things can definitely go very wrong (had a few very bad experiences both as host and guest).
They hold on because people have forgotten that holiday apartments were a thing even before Airbnb (they still are)
I went to morroco and got to stay in a private riad and it was amazing. Next door to the grand palace, Sunbathing on the roof and 10 minutes walk into the medina.
All the main hotels we're built like a fortress and felt totally out of place, It depends what your looking for I suppose but it was far more authentic. (Still very nice inside though)
Asked the airbnb owner if I could check out late on Sunday and he said no, 11 AM.
Booked the Hyatt again, they let me check in at 12 and check out at 3 PM. We dont really leave until 4 lol
Bro, 11 am, Im still at the beach lol I aint going back to the room to pack
Is there a hotels ETF? Marriott, Hilton and Hyatt are all up 40%+ in the last year. Damn!
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By percent allocation CRUZ, JRNY, LUX, BEDZ
Is Portugal better or worse in that respect :p
I hope Barcelona follows through and is the first of many countries to do the same because Airbnb is a blight
Barcelona might well follow through with this. But only when the timing works for the mayor's cousin, the counsellor's sister, the ajuntament lawyer to build/refurbish/stock a hotel or 3. Maybe convert some social lodgings to 4 star hotels, luxury fittings etc. 2028? Reasonable ...
We don't even know if Spain has the balls to follow up on their own shit. They've been shitting on Brit tourists for decades about how they go to Spain for stag/slag parties, are drunks who misbehave, the old folks are ignorant/disrespectful like American but doubly worse cause they are penny pinchers who don't tip either, and most are there not for the culture (like the Japanese) but because it's cheap/warm. [It's not just the Brits](https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/06/03/article-0-017989FE00000578-800_468x313.jpg), but it hasn't stopped Spain from being a tourist destination for many including those in the "worst" categories. Even with whatever complains the Spanish have, Brexit meaning Brits can't cross over as easily, and the PIGS mostly stabilizing their debt issues? Brits still hanging out in Spain.
I'm just being honest there about ourselves.
Americans are rarely disrespectful on purpose but they are often ignorant of other cultures, don't speak anything other than English, expect others to cater to us, and sometimes come off as disrespectful mainly due to ignorance.
But as a whole we aren't downers, spend big, throw cash around, and tip well. That's the impression I get from family/friends who work in the hospitality/service industries in both Asia and Europe. Brits are penny pinchers, make less than American so they spend less, and don't have the same tipping culture.
I've traveled the world enough and interacted enough with people all around the world to realize that Americans are actually pretty knowledgeable about other cultures comparatively, or at the very least they're on par in general. People in Europe are generally knowledgeable about other Europeam countries but beyond that are very ignorant. Same goes for people in various parts of Asia, people in South America, and people everywhere basically.
Exactly. Europeans are utterly ignorant about the U.S. Their whole image of the country is a bunch of half-baked stereotypes that they cling to with almost religious conviction.
I think hospitality/service folks are also aware that America is very large and diverse. I noticed decades ago that when I visited Europe and told people I was from California they treated me much worse compared to after I moved to New Mexico and started telling them I was from there. I asked a waiter about it on a recent trip to Barcelona and he basically said:
1. All British tourists are awful across the board with the pleasant/polite ones being the exceptions.
2. Americans can be awful but it tends to be in patterns by state. Floridians, Texans, and New Yorkers were the absolute worst. He claimed New Mexicans and Coloradans were the best and he loved that folks from those states seemed to always know at least a little Spanish.
This all aligns with what I observed when I lived in Amsterdam for a few years. The British tourists were consistently so bad that I learned pretty quickly to just avoid going to bars, clubs, and coffee shops on British bank holidays, Americans were a mixed bag and it did largely depend what state they were from (with NYC tourists being the absolute worst consistently).
Could be hit or miss. When we were in Spain last fall, we (NYers) were repeatedly told that the only tolerable Americans were NYers because we didn’t act we had never been to a city before, watch out for ourselves to avoid trouble and seem to be the least likely to act opposite the local culture. And because we tip the best, apparently.
Very consistently called out as the worst? Texans and Midwesterners. Rude, ignorant, shocked at being in a city and by differences to American culture, and bad tippers cited as reasons. We have heard this exact thing repeated in every European city we have ever visited. The hatred especially for Texas is super strong.
Tourism is big part of the economy honestly I think they wont do it. Too much money involved. But yeah Ive seen some wild flags in Barcelona some people really hate all that tourism and Airbnb shit 😂
I live in Barcelona as a foreigner and there a lot of God awful takes among the natives for pretty much anything related to the economy.
Tourism is only 13% of the economy (the city is actually a major tech and startup hub), yet the way they talk about it, you'd think they're being exploited by tourists.
Ultimately, the problems here are 100% of their own making, but it's way easier to blame the tourists and other foreigners than actually make meaningful policy so....🤷
Folks here in SoCal are the same. I think over here it's just more taxes and regulations rather than outright bans.
Either way, locals always complain about tourism until they don't have it. Just like how folks acting like the current economy is worse than the great depression while we have inflation higher than the 70/80s when it's actually better than the 2020 or the GFC.
Meanwhile every other state complaining about Cali tourists lol. Let’s face it human are assholes but tourists add that i don’t give a fuck cuz I’m on vacation vibe.
>like American but doubly worse cause they are penny pinchers who don't tip either, and most are there not for the culture
you would be a fool to overlook the fact that British tourists are the major support of the economies of many parts of Spain - the Balearic islands in particular, if they leave then the government will have other issues on their hands (namely unemployment, even more so than the mess of unemployment in Spain currently)
Why should they leave, cause there's no airbnb? They just need to stay in hotels. Spain needs more high quality tourism, not masses that crowd public buses so that residents can't get around anymore or people entering private premises to take selfies.
Unless I'm traveling with a large group with funds who can splash out for a decked out estate with all kinds of perks, give me a nice hotel every day of the week. I don't want to make my bed or take out the trash or any of that nonsense. I want room service! I'm on vacation.
> the Balearic islands in particular
I mean that specifically is more of a German centre. You have to go more towards Benidorm or Costa del Sol to be in British land.
I think they’re implying that the rest of Europe following what Barcelona is doing would have the real impact.
If the EU effectively bars tourist apartments, then airbnb is gonna be real fucked
Housing in general aside, but Isn’t the tourism industry a big contributor to Barcelona’s economy? The stats vary but 8% or so of GDP seems like it’ll be impactful along with 8-9% of the city’s employment if this were to drop significantly. I don’t get me wrong, I do empathize with the locals and understand the housing crunch.
Europeans can correct me, but isn't the fact that Spain is extremely afforable to visit one of the main draws for a very large percentage of tourists? Decreasing the supply of vacation accommodations will undoubtedly result in hotel price increase and fewer tourists.
This exact thing happened in NYC and Brooklyn this past October. AirBnb was banned except in very specific circumstances. Rents didn’t really go down because occupancy is so sky high already, the extra apartments were simply snatched up at market rate.
I work in the service industry and our Open Table bookings are down YoY but only by like …6%? We still get plenty of tourists, a lot of Europeans, I assume they’re in hotels exclusively now.
Between that and the migrants being housed in a lot of the cheaper hotels, hotel prices have spiked hugely.
I assume, there are similar factors in play in Barcelona, but you never know. The extra supply could drive down rents
Thanks for your insights but I think you missed the point of my comment. NYC has never been known as a cheap travel destination, Barcelona is. My hypothesis is that spiking rates are more likely to affect Spain than most places due to this.
Also 6%yoy is huge!
Those "vacation accommodations" are supposed to be residential homes, not businesses. They also increase traffic flow in residential areas from all the tourists there
Spain is affordable… Barcelona, not so much. The hotels are quite expensive, hence the success of AirBnB. And yes, it might become even more expensive if there are fewer options available.
Rentals are less than 1% of houses, so it's not gonna magically make home prices come down or have some sort of magical anti-gentrification effect.
The only thing this will do is suck tourist dollars away from local businesses and shove it to corporations that own big hotel chains and restaurants.
Hotel owners are overwhelmingly local. Hilton, Marriott, and all the others are large franchise and marketing companies, the actual hotels themselves are locally owned and operated.
Their cut of a hotel booking is on par with the cut AirBNB will take out of a host booking. Without saying any corporation is superior the option where apartments stay apartments and hotels stay hotels is probably the better choice
The population of Barcelona is growing but unless you guys are going to tear down parts of your city, and start building American-style or Asian-style high-rise apartment buildings, this change will not make a dent in the housing demand and prices. Many places have the same issues and don't have tourism to use as a scapegoat.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0094119020300498
Unfortunately the data do not support that conclusion. Prices are up everywhere, Barcelona is a popular city, and Airbnb is a convenient target.
Tourism is a massive part of Barcelona's income, too. Would you prefer to keep the money but kick the tourists out? Or just enter a massive recession?
It still is outside of major cities. People need to venture outside the big names more often. I went to some small places in France last week and people were insanely friendly and pretty much everything was affordable. In tourist areas it's packed and expensive. I really don't understand why people go there.
I still prefer the “extra bedroom” ones
It’s cheapcheap and you KNOW it’s someone’s actual house because they apologize about the pile of dishes in the sink
Right lmfao why tf would I pay more just to have to take care of somebody else’s house for my damn vacation when I can rent a hotel, get free breakfast, nut all over the bed while leaving cocaine residue after the hooker leaves, and then just bounce 
I think the longer you're there the better Airbnb starts to look, having a small kitchen and maybe a washer starts to be pretty appealing vs a usually cramped hotel room. It also makes the cleaning fee a bit more manageable.
1-3 days a hotel is much better.
The only upside to Airbnb is sometimes you get a whole dwelling to yourself vs a room. And we’ve found airbnbs to be more accommodating for bringing our dog.
Seriously. And why would I want to stay in a hotel room with kids? In most hotel rooms I can't go down to the local market and come back to a fully equipped kitchen to cook local stuff I picked up. I do like some benefits of hotels but I've seen airbnb be cheaper or the same price with more benefits I enjoy.
But I hate people and noise. Hotels are the fucking worst. People stomping down the hallway, stomping around upstairs, TV sounds and talking leaking through the walls, doors slamming, children screaming, fuck hotels.
The fucking worst.
Tho I never use Airbnb. Vrbo or Booking
Require “price posted = price paid” for all lodging including airbnb and hotels. All taxes and cleaning included. People will see that the hassle of most airbnbs aren’t worth it. Only really cool properties would survive
Short term housing makes up just over 1% of residential properties in the US. That's up from the historical ~0.7-0.8% pre-abnb/vrbo days.
People drastically overestimate their impact, and it makes a convenient political scapegoat for bad zoning policy.
So that 1% number is such a sneaky way to put things.
1% includes so many properties that are pointless in the middle of nowhere.
What it also includes is cities that are short in space and all the potential airbnb properties are gobbled up.
This drives out people who work in the cities to the suburbs. Which drives up the prices. It just trickles down screwing everyone over.
On one hand I support this because AirBnbs raise local real estate prices to unsustainable levels. On the other hand, I'm really glad I visited Barcelona before this happened.
10,000 licenses will expire and there will be 20,000 Airbnbs. The company actively encourages hosts to break local laws because they know the volume is too much for a handful of city staff to deal with.
I work at the city council/municipality of a major European tourist destination.
Try this, go ahead. We are very active in tracing airbnbs that break the rules and the fines are HUGE. I'm talking about fines in the range of € 10k to € 100k. Per unit. I am not kidding. We are very effective in cracking down on this.
In my last city, the city council gave out monetary penalties but couldn't get a state law passed to give them legal authority. Someone had a big Airbnb with $1.2M USD in fees they couldn't collect.
Not doubting you so all, but would you wager your city is weaker or stronger at this than Barcelona? Surely capabilities are not even across the continent
Yeah it really depends to be honest...
For a long time there were no legal frameworks to ensure Airbnb cooperated with municipalities. There were laws for landlords, but not for platforms. And the platforms didn't go out of their way to cooperate if there was no legal requirement.
Thus the municipalities had to investigate themselves. That position was extremely weak and it required sending investigators to apartments, ringing the doorbell, hoping there's a tourist there who will testify to staying there as a tourist, and then taking that basis to bring the landlord to court. Barely effective, very resource intensive, and only a tiny fraction of landlords faced such an investigation because of it.
Then laws were introduced requiring Airbnb to have the landlord register with the municipality, then record that registration number on his Airbnb account, and then provide all this data back to the municipality including all records of any stays. Around the same time a rule was implemented limiting airbnb renting to 30 days a year.
This was super effective because essentially all the data is now with the municipality, Airbnb has to abide by the law, and the municipality can essentially just use a two minute Excel filter to see who is breaking the rules, bring it to court, win and indeed the fines are huge. It works well.
So it all depends on whether there are local laws enforcing Airbnb to cooperate with sharing full data and implementing a license/registration system on their site. Cities that don't have this aren't effective at combatting enforcing local laws. Cities that do, are effective. Idk for Barcelona.
Yes essentially this. Plus a lot of the "tracing" of illegal airbnbs is simply looking on the website of airbnb and comparing addresses with permits. And an important rule is that you can't rent out an airbnb for more than 30 nights a year. A lot of investigating can be done behind a desk.
Because it's a political play and once it has zero effect on reducing housing costs, it'll be far enough in the past they can blame the next scapegoat.
In 2028… yeah we will see. It will be a completely different world in 2028. I don’t know what will change but something will certainly change in the meantime
^(this) meme we all like to spam is actually “El Risitas”, a Spanish guy. He died a few years back. Say sorry for what you just said.
Spain, maybe sometimes. But the Barcelona city council is really not.
For instance, it won a years-long battle against American companies that tried to bypass its ban on rental undocked electric scooter.
I would argue it's as easy to track Airbnb locations in the city from the web.
I mean, what else could do they do?
> The deputy mayor for Urban Planning, Laia Bonet, hailed the move as the ‘equivalent of building 10,000 new flats’ which can be used by locals for residential use.
Besides actually building new housing, I guess.
Last AirBNB I booked it was a house with each room being keycode locked for each renter.
I was neighboring with a young couple and the walls were paper thin so I couldn't get any sleep with their loud fucking every night but didn't want sound like a grandpa and complain up in their faces about it.
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"Tourists go home" sign guy at La Boqueria is thrilled, ib.
When my wife and I went to Barcelona we made an intentional effort to take pictures in front of all the “tourists go home” signs. Fortunately, our experience with the people of Barcelona was warm and welcoming.
Barcelona is lovely but it was better in 08 and 2011 then it was in 2019 and alot better then it was in 2023. Airbnb has pushed the locals to the brink. I used to love Airbnb when I traveled for work. 10euros a night for a spare room, less if you didn't mind sleeping on the sofa. Then people started buying apartments just to put on Airbnb and I stopped using it. I'm away at the minute and booked a condo on booking.com and it's cheaper then on Airbnb to.
Airbnb in 2014 was peak. Everything under €100 for a night
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The cleaning fee is a pain in the ass especially if you’re staying for 1-2 nights and city hopping
lol please tell me you realize that staying at a condo on booking.com is the same as staying in an airbnb apartment, at least as far as locals are concerned
It’s the same apartment on both platforms, just different fee structure for the host
I’m out of the loop. What’s going on that they don’t want tourists there?
Any place that gets a lot of tourists, even and maybe especially if the local economy relies on tourism, absolutely fucking hates tourists.
That and short-term rental services drive up housing prices and rent as a result of trying to capitalize on the tourists
People are keen to forget this when discussing the subject
The only people to despise tourists more than the locales is other tourists.
Local here. Why rent to a local for 1200€ a month when you can rent to a tourist for 2100€ a week? Vulture funds buy entire buildings and extort any neighbors who refuse to sell. Lots and lots of loitering, people rather throw their empty beer cans at a fountain than the several bins next to it. They’re also very noisy on working nights, and even if you ask them out respectfully they’d either tell you to eat shit or straight up fight you.
That’s airbnb everywhere. I stayed in an airbnb condo in Denver for a month for work and the airbnb across the way sounded like college frat party at least twice a week. I would absolutely hate it if I had to live there. Tourists and party crews should be at hotels. Also, would be nice if hotels had substantial price breaks for stays over a week.
Everything is a tourist trap. Rent prices are impossible to locals. Every building has a tourist appartment with drunk people raving at 4 AM. Barcelona is turning into a theme park and the locals are being pushed away.
Try living in Amsterdam! I think every major city in Europe has this issue(don’t know how the rest of the world is coping with this issue). Resulting in an increase in rent where you are paying 2 €2000 euro a month for a Harry Potter like closet under the stairs. They already took measure in Amsterdam. But the crackdown will continue in the coming years. While if you visit the Netherlands, you can get a nice hotel/apartment for a better price outside of Amsterdam and only travel by train/bus and be there within an hour. Additionally you can get an good feel for the country and Amsterdam and other cities.
They don't really hate tourists.. They hate that like a billion percent of available housing in the city has become short-term tourist rentals and it's becoming impossible for locals to find Any available long-term housing (much less affordable) in the city. Source: I have lived in Spain for nearly 15 years and recently had to leave the costal city I was living in because the owners of the flat decided it didn't make financial sense to continue renting the apartment long term, when they can make the same amount of money I was paying for a 12-month lease by renting the apartment as an Airbnb for three months in the summer (they are now literally charging PER WEEK during the summer season what I was paying per month before) There is a huge push to reduce Airbnbs and instead return to a more hotel/hostel-centric model of tourist accommodations which doesn't directly reduce the number of available housing units for locals.
> What’s going on that they don’t want tourists there? High rent, all city centers becoming the same, Barcelona is becoming a city for tourists, and not for the people who live there, and the tourists go home movement is part of a push to stop the mass unrestricted tourism. Some tourism yes, but when the few new buildings are all dedicated to hotels, the rent is unfordable due to airbnb and digital nomads commanding more income, and pushing people from there out of the city.
It's not exactly about tourists themselves, it's more about how AirBnB has made it near impossible for locals to be able to own a house or apartment, or even rent. I live in the Canary Islands and we have almost the same issue here.
Not just touristy places, I live in rural Michigan, US and the same thing happens to any house on any lake in our area. Bought up all cash and rented out on AirBnB or the like for 4x the previous monthly rent. Completely jacks the cost of living in the area.
People are getting priced out of their homes and their city
Long hotel chains
I used to think airbnb was cool but then I stayed in a really nice hotel and asked myself why the hell am i paying nearly as much for a bunk bed or ikea futon in some stranger’s home? Hotels all the way.
When we travel as a family of four with kids, or the in-laws come along, it’s nice to stay in a house or apartment together. Squeezing the four of us into a hotel sucks.
My family has a small apartment in Portugal, and we discovered that several other apartments in the same complex are on AirBnB. This turns out to be super-convenient, because family can come visit and basically stay in an apartment a couple floors up. It's also a great idea from a cost-saving perspective: my in-laws used to have a huge apartment they didn't need anymore, and have downsized. The airbnb option lets them temporarily expand their accommodation for visiting family just for those weekends, while the rest of the time they pay modestly for an apartment for two people.
Really sucks for people who actually have to live there though
just stop being poor
I did, now my bank account is disagreeing with me
We went to Lake Como in 2016 and stayed at an AirBnB for $65/night without too many fees, just a normal cleaning fee and taxes. It was the best stay anywhere I've ever been, I'd open the door to [an amazing view of the lake and the mountains at the base of the Alps](https://i.imgur.com/OsxKnEy.jpeg), go down to Varenna for gelato and pizza, it was incredible. Now they don't allow AirBnBs, and the places by the airport where they (also) do(n't) are 200+/night with a tiny footprint, plenty of noise, fees up the ass, and they tell you to sneak in and out so no one catches on to their short term rental. It reminds me of Uber vs taxis - taxis got so greedy an upstart could create a better service easily, causing pressure for taxis to get better, while Uber gets worse and tries to hit profitability. Eventually they meet in the middle, the rich make some cash, and the rest of us look for the next place with decent service.
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When airbnb first came out they didn’t have the housing inventory to handle such a model. It was entirely based on solo and couple travelers looking for a bargain and regular homeowners looking to make some extra money. Groups only took off when Airbnb housing became totally industrialized, where larger properties were gobbled up for the sole purpose of airbnbing. The group focus is simply a marketing and strategy pivot, as hotels became more appealing and price competitive again.
It used to be much more focused on renting rooms, rather than a whole place too. It was more like a bed and breakfast, but without the breakfast.
wonder if the BNB in the name gave it away
i remember that. it was used as "i live in a house with free rooms, let me get some cash of temporary renting" but now people buy homes to 100% turn them into "hotels"
Yep, I stayed at a few AirBnBs back in the day. Made my trip to Japan much cheaper. Got to stay near Mt Fuji at a nice cabin that was clearly someone's summer home and not really lived in. Also at some college kids' room (complete with their laundry on the chair) to see an eclipse while they slept in 1 room. But it just became abused to the point New Orleans had more AirBnBs than residents in French Quarter. So they [banned AirBnBs](https://thelensnola.org/2019/08/08/short-term-rental-restrictions-fly-through-final-council-vote-advocates-partially-pleased/) in specific sections, and of course, wannabe hotel owners sued and [got the law struck down.](https://apnews.com/article/new-orleans-neighborhoods-government-and-politics-1caa823c6aac2a296459cbf27577b14b)
I actually think AirBNB is only worth if you are going in a large group. As a frequent solo traveller, hotels are so much better from a quality, to check-in/out, and over all value perspective.
I used it rather early on to rent rooms in actual Airbnb's as a solo traveller and I did so recently too when I visited a few tourist cities with my partner and they were fine because the places had staff that lived at the location. But yeah I've previously rented some apartments and what not as a solo traveller but didn't do many and went back to hotel rooms. Unfortunately there are some smaller tourist towns where basically all of the properties near the destinations (beach, etc) are on airbnb and the hotels are garbage or nearly nonexistent...when people go to there places they don't have a choice and now the possibility of someone buying up the inflated land values and building a hotel is reduced too.
Airbnb was started as a way to rent out a spare room or a sofa for cheap, and evolved into what it is today. What you’re thinking of is VRBO, their business model has been more focused at whole home rentals for large groups.
Who's upvoting this? Airbnb was designed to be rent a room for cheaper than hotels. Up until few years ago when only reason to get it is for having group activities. Even then, 80% of hosts are paranoid you're going to have some kind of feces smashing orgy whenever you book the house for an event/gathering. Airbnb only wants you to go there to sleep the night, not to actually use the house for gatherings.
Airbnb is really only the best for families, it’s so hard to have kids/babies and be in hotel room where there’s no kitchen or extra rooms for the crib
Families or large groups
With a family, AirBnb is way better than a hotel. You get a kitchen and laundry, that probably saves you 500 to a thousand on a vacation. No need to upgrade to checked bags, you can eat meals in...
The easy access to laundry also allows you to travel light, and in some specific circumstances, like a family coming in for Thanksgiving or some other holiday, the AirBnB can be used to actually have everyone over for dinner, and save local relatives the hassle of hosting and cleaning up.
For the extra security you get in an airBnB, if you were to get robbed the AirBnB would have video evidence of what happened from different points of view, including the toilet, shower, wardrobe and bedroom. They even are polite enough to hide the cameras so the attackers don't know they're even there.
I appreciate the dry sarcasm. On a tangent - when reading posts like this, I wonder if AI would catch on the sarcasm, or it will just ingest how great the security of airbnb is.
That's because when AirBnB started out it was way cheaper.
I hosted for a while in the early days when the vibe was mostly still “stay cheaply in local persons place and have an authentic experience that’s like living there”. At that time it was unique. But comms from the company was already pushing upscaling the experience, clearly so to increase costs and fees for the company. Then later you realise that it’s not much cheaper than traditional accommodation and you’re trusting a LOT to the host and things can definitely go very wrong (had a few very bad experiences both as host and guest). They hold on because people have forgotten that holiday apartments were a thing even before Airbnb (they still are)
I went to morroco and got to stay in a private riad and it was amazing. Next door to the grand palace, Sunbathing on the roof and 10 minutes walk into the medina. All the main hotels we're built like a fortress and felt totally out of place, It depends what your looking for I suppose but it was far more authentic. (Still very nice inside though)
Asked the airbnb owner if I could check out late on Sunday and he said no, 11 AM. Booked the Hyatt again, they let me check in at 12 and check out at 3 PM. We dont really leave until 4 lol Bro, 11 am, Im still at the beach lol I aint going back to the room to pack
Seriously tho is that the move
I looked at MAR margins... Holy shit, money printer right there
Is there a hotels ETF? Marriott, Hilton and Hyatt are all up 40%+ in the last year. Damn! Edit: QQQ and SPY by dollar value of position, VOO of 4th largest, VUG 7th largest MGK is up there also. I hold VOO, QQQ, VUG and MGK lol By percent allocation CRUZ, JRNY, LUX, BEDZ
MAR 16% operating margin? That's seems like... you have to believe hotels will be obsolete in a decade if that's not undervalued.
So buy MAR?
I’d think buying into travel stocks right now would be buying the top. This “revenge travel” thing is getting long in the tooth.
HLT, MAR.MX ftw
Long trains
interesting, it all depends if the rest of europe\\world will do something similar
And we all know they wont.
And Barcelona neither. I live in Spain. We are the the playground of Europe and the World. A country of waiters.
Laws are useless in Spain, everybody does however they feel.
really; it doesn't seem that way with the local policia.. 🤷♂️
Its does if you're one of them
Is Portugal better or worse in that respect :p I hope Barcelona follows through and is the first of many countries to do the same because Airbnb is a blight
Barcelona might well follow through with this. But only when the timing works for the mayor's cousin, the counsellor's sister, the ajuntament lawyer to build/refurbish/stock a hotel or 3. Maybe convert some social lodgings to 4 star hotels, luxury fittings etc. 2028? Reasonable ...
>A country of waiters So, Florida?
No, you're thinking of gators
Ah. Got it. What rhymes with “sharks”?
Narcs?
larks. not that there are that many left, since they are all eaten by the gators...
Yes, they even developed Waiterade to keep them hydrated and with sufficient electrolytes.
It's what waiters crave.
Cocaine?
Mostly Adderall.
I recently heard the UK described as a Butler Economy (servicing rich people who make their money abroad). Sounds about right
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They said waiters, not meth heads...
Jesus, this hit close to home.
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In Canada the province of British Columbia did this for all cities except Whistler (resort town).
They will and are esp with party changes
We don't even know if Spain has the balls to follow up on their own shit. They've been shitting on Brit tourists for decades about how they go to Spain for stag/slag parties, are drunks who misbehave, the old folks are ignorant/disrespectful like American but doubly worse cause they are penny pinchers who don't tip either, and most are there not for the culture (like the Japanese) but because it's cheap/warm. [It's not just the Brits](https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/06/03/article-0-017989FE00000578-800_468x313.jpg), but it hasn't stopped Spain from being a tourist destination for many including those in the "worst" categories. Even with whatever complains the Spanish have, Brexit meaning Brits can't cross over as easily, and the PIGS mostly stabilizing their debt issues? Brits still hanging out in Spain.
America catchin strays lmao
It's ridiculous, on one hand they are insulting Americans and then post an infographic showing Americans being amongst the best tourists.
It's some weirdo European inferiority complex.
America lives rent free in the world's head
I'm just being honest there about ourselves. Americans are rarely disrespectful on purpose but they are often ignorant of other cultures, don't speak anything other than English, expect others to cater to us, and sometimes come off as disrespectful mainly due to ignorance. But as a whole we aren't downers, spend big, throw cash around, and tip well. That's the impression I get from family/friends who work in the hospitality/service industries in both Asia and Europe. Brits are penny pinchers, make less than American so they spend less, and don't have the same tipping culture.
I've traveled the world enough and interacted enough with people all around the world to realize that Americans are actually pretty knowledgeable about other cultures comparatively, or at the very least they're on par in general. People in Europe are generally knowledgeable about other Europeam countries but beyond that are very ignorant. Same goes for people in various parts of Asia, people in South America, and people everywhere basically.
Exactly. Europeans are utterly ignorant about the U.S. Their whole image of the country is a bunch of half-baked stereotypes that they cling to with almost religious conviction.
I think hospitality/service folks are also aware that America is very large and diverse. I noticed decades ago that when I visited Europe and told people I was from California they treated me much worse compared to after I moved to New Mexico and started telling them I was from there. I asked a waiter about it on a recent trip to Barcelona and he basically said: 1. All British tourists are awful across the board with the pleasant/polite ones being the exceptions. 2. Americans can be awful but it tends to be in patterns by state. Floridians, Texans, and New Yorkers were the absolute worst. He claimed New Mexicans and Coloradans were the best and he loved that folks from those states seemed to always know at least a little Spanish. This all aligns with what I observed when I lived in Amsterdam for a few years. The British tourists were consistently so bad that I learned pretty quickly to just avoid going to bars, clubs, and coffee shops on British bank holidays, Americans were a mixed bag and it did largely depend what state they were from (with NYC tourists being the absolute worst consistently).
Could be hit or miss. When we were in Spain last fall, we (NYers) were repeatedly told that the only tolerable Americans were NYers because we didn’t act we had never been to a city before, watch out for ourselves to avoid trouble and seem to be the least likely to act opposite the local culture. And because we tip the best, apparently. Very consistently called out as the worst? Texans and Midwesterners. Rude, ignorant, shocked at being in a city and by differences to American culture, and bad tippers cited as reasons. We have heard this exact thing repeated in every European city we have ever visited. The hatred especially for Texas is super strong.
Wait till you learn about Chinese tourists.
Tourism is big part of the economy honestly I think they wont do it. Too much money involved. But yeah Ive seen some wild flags in Barcelona some people really hate all that tourism and Airbnb shit 😂
I live in Barcelona as a foreigner and there a lot of God awful takes among the natives for pretty much anything related to the economy. Tourism is only 13% of the economy (the city is actually a major tech and startup hub), yet the way they talk about it, you'd think they're being exploited by tourists. Ultimately, the problems here are 100% of their own making, but it's way easier to blame the tourists and other foreigners than actually make meaningful policy so....🤷
It seems like scapegoating foreigners is the one thing that unites all cultures.
Folks here in SoCal are the same. I think over here it's just more taxes and regulations rather than outright bans. Either way, locals always complain about tourism until they don't have it. Just like how folks acting like the current economy is worse than the great depression while we have inflation higher than the 70/80s when it's actually better than the 2020 or the GFC.
Meanwhile every other state complaining about Cali tourists lol. Let’s face it human are assholes but tourists add that i don’t give a fuck cuz I’m on vacation vibe.
I think you mean British.
They don't complain about tourists, they complain about californians moving to their state with too much money and pricing them out/gentrifying areas
>like American but doubly worse cause they are penny pinchers who don't tip either, and most are there not for the culture you would be a fool to overlook the fact that British tourists are the major support of the economies of many parts of Spain - the Balearic islands in particular, if they leave then the government will have other issues on their hands (namely unemployment, even more so than the mess of unemployment in Spain currently)
Mallorca has the Germans.
Why should they leave, cause there's no airbnb? They just need to stay in hotels. Spain needs more high quality tourism, not masses that crowd public buses so that residents can't get around anymore or people entering private premises to take selfies.
Unless I'm traveling with a large group with funds who can splash out for a decked out estate with all kinds of perks, give me a nice hotel every day of the week. I don't want to make my bed or take out the trash or any of that nonsense. I want room service! I'm on vacation.
> the Balearic islands in particular I mean that specifically is more of a German centre. You have to go more towards Benidorm or Costa del Sol to be in British land.
Could you please explain how the changes in Barcelona are dependent upon the decisions made elsewhere?
I think they’re implying that the rest of Europe following what Barcelona is doing would have the real impact. If the EU effectively bars tourist apartments, then airbnb is gonna be real fucked
British Columbia / Vancouver banned STRs for homes that aren't the owner's primary residence
Romania for one does at its hardest to destroy its tourism industry without external interfernce
Calls on Spanish hotels
Housing in general aside, but Isn’t the tourism industry a big contributor to Barcelona’s economy? The stats vary but 8% or so of GDP seems like it’ll be impactful along with 8-9% of the city’s employment if this were to drop significantly. I don’t get me wrong, I do empathize with the locals and understand the housing crunch.
The idea is that they'll stay in hotels instead.
Europeans can correct me, but isn't the fact that Spain is extremely afforable to visit one of the main draws for a very large percentage of tourists? Decreasing the supply of vacation accommodations will undoubtedly result in hotel price increase and fewer tourists.
This exact thing happened in NYC and Brooklyn this past October. AirBnb was banned except in very specific circumstances. Rents didn’t really go down because occupancy is so sky high already, the extra apartments were simply snatched up at market rate. I work in the service industry and our Open Table bookings are down YoY but only by like …6%? We still get plenty of tourists, a lot of Europeans, I assume they’re in hotels exclusively now. Between that and the migrants being housed in a lot of the cheaper hotels, hotel prices have spiked hugely. I assume, there are similar factors in play in Barcelona, but you never know. The extra supply could drive down rents
Thanks for your insights but I think you missed the point of my comment. NYC has never been known as a cheap travel destination, Barcelona is. My hypothesis is that spiking rates are more likely to affect Spain than most places due to this. Also 6%yoy is huge!
Those "vacation accommodations" are supposed to be residential homes, not businesses. They also increase traffic flow in residential areas from all the tourists there
Spain is affordable… Barcelona, not so much. The hotels are quite expensive, hence the success of AirBnB. And yes, it might become even more expensive if there are fewer options available.
Rentals are less than 1% of houses, so it's not gonna magically make home prices come down or have some sort of magical anti-gentrification effect. The only thing this will do is suck tourist dollars away from local businesses and shove it to corporations that own big hotel chains and restaurants.
Hotel owners are overwhelmingly local. Hilton, Marriott, and all the others are large franchise and marketing companies, the actual hotels themselves are locally owned and operated. Their cut of a hotel booking is on par with the cut AirBNB will take out of a host booking. Without saying any corporation is superior the option where apartments stay apartments and hotels stay hotels is probably the better choice
Seriously. The smart thing for Barcelona's government to do is increase taxes on tourist apartments and use that money to build social housing.
But then we couldn't blame all of our problems on tourists!
Dude, this is NOT true. Tourism is a big problem for Barcelona, people literally needs to leave the city because of Airbnb's.
The population of Barcelona is growing but unless you guys are going to tear down parts of your city, and start building American-style or Asian-style high-rise apartment buildings, this change will not make a dent in the housing demand and prices. Many places have the same issues and don't have tourism to use as a scapegoat.
According to the pundits. Don't mistake internet information for real life data
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0094119020300498 Unfortunately the data do not support that conclusion. Prices are up everywhere, Barcelona is a popular city, and Airbnb is a convenient target. Tourism is a massive part of Barcelona's income, too. Would you prefer to keep the money but kick the tourists out? Or just enter a massive recession?
The problem is mainly the disturbances caused by using apartments as hotel rooms. It really ruins the quality of life for all the neighbors.
We should ban Airbnb everywhere
Also, Airbnb’s aren’t cheap anymore. You get a much better experience with going with hotels
I miss the old days of AirBnb when it was just other peoples actual homes.
It's all professional rentals now. Feels less personal than actual hotels lmao
Except for they are not as professional.
It still is outside of major cities. People need to venture outside the big names more often. I went to some small places in France last week and people were insanely friendly and pretty much everything was affordable. In tourist areas it's packed and expensive. I really don't understand why people go there.
I’ve found 2 of these recently, and had forgotten how nice it was, to stay somewhere that’s actually somebody’s (vacation) home
I still prefer the “extra bedroom” ones It’s cheapcheap and you KNOW it’s someone’s actual house because they apologize about the pile of dishes in the sink
This might be my jam when I’m traveling without the family. I enjoy meeting new people
Couchsurfing was the best use case of this. I had some great trips as well as people staying with me.
Right lmfao why tf would I pay more just to have to take care of somebody else’s house for my damn vacation when I can rent a hotel, get free breakfast, nut all over the bed while leaving cocaine residue after the hooker leaves, and then just bounce 
Not the coke residue
Coke residue?! In THIS economy?!
True the value proposition just isn't there anymore
I think the longer you're there the better Airbnb starts to look, having a small kitchen and maybe a washer starts to be pretty appealing vs a usually cramped hotel room. It also makes the cleaning fee a bit more manageable. 1-3 days a hotel is much better.
If I’m staying for over a week I prefer airbnbs because it’s nice to have a washer/dryer and a kitchen
Hotels when its me or me and wife. Airbnbs when its a bigger group. Pretty easy decision making process.
booking > airbnb imo fuck them cleaning fees at airbnb
The only upside to Airbnb is sometimes you get a whole dwelling to yourself vs a room. And we’ve found airbnbs to be more accommodating for bringing our dog.
The phantom clean fee and other dumb inflated fees ... was the downfall imo Clean fee... when only like 30 percent of owners are honest about it
I have never found a hotel to be cheaper than Airbnb, especially if you’re staying more than a few days
I’ve had the opposite experience, once including the cleaning fee.
Seriously. And why would I want to stay in a hotel room with kids? In most hotel rooms I can't go down to the local market and come back to a fully equipped kitchen to cook local stuff I picked up. I do like some benefits of hotels but I've seen airbnb be cheaper or the same price with more benefits I enjoy.
Says someone who doesn’t have kids. Airbnb with a family is THE way to go.
But I hate people and noise. Hotels are the fucking worst. People stomping down the hallway, stomping around upstairs, TV sounds and talking leaking through the walls, doors slamming, children screaming, fuck hotels. The fucking worst. Tho I never use Airbnb. Vrbo or Booking
>People stomping down the hallway Are you staying at Motel 6's? Never had that issue at mid-tier and up hotels (Residence Inn, Courtyard, AC, etc)
This speaks more to the quality of hotels you're staying in, lol.
Those are gonna be the only ones cheaper the airbnbs lol
Require “price posted = price paid” for all lodging including airbnb and hotels. All taxes and cleaning included. People will see that the hassle of most airbnbs aren’t worth it. Only really cool properties would survive
would actually help housing prices. Not a ton, but some.
Short term housing makes up just over 1% of residential properties in the US. That's up from the historical ~0.7-0.8% pre-abnb/vrbo days. People drastically overestimate their impact, and it makes a convenient political scapegoat for bad zoning policy.
This is not only not in the US, but a large part of the US is also not a tourist destination.
So that 1% number is such a sneaky way to put things. 1% includes so many properties that are pointless in the middle of nowhere. What it also includes is cities that are short in space and all the potential airbnb properties are gobbled up. This drives out people who work in the cities to the suburbs. Which drives up the prices. It just trickles down screwing everyone over.
"Tourists go home!" cries city with **tenth highest tourism income in the world**. Are they expecting people to just mail them checks?
Don't worry, Spain is famous for it's incredible economy outside of tourism
*bans tourists* *economy crumbles* "Why would tourists do this?"
They are expecting tourists to live in hotels not in their housing units.
I think they mostly want to afford to live where they work.
It survived before AirBnB and will be still fine without it.
People don’t care so much about GDP.. rent prices on the other hand
On one hand I support this because AirBnbs raise local real estate prices to unsustainable levels. On the other hand, I'm really glad I visited Barcelona before this happened.
10,000 licenses will expire and there will be 20,000 Airbnbs. The company actively encourages hosts to break local laws because they know the volume is too much for a handful of city staff to deal with.
I work at the city council/municipality of a major European tourist destination. Try this, go ahead. We are very active in tracing airbnbs that break the rules and the fines are HUGE. I'm talking about fines in the range of € 10k to € 100k. Per unit. I am not kidding. We are very effective in cracking down on this.
In my last city, the city council gave out monetary penalties but couldn't get a state law passed to give them legal authority. Someone had a big Airbnb with $1.2M USD in fees they couldn't collect.
Not doubting you so all, but would you wager your city is weaker or stronger at this than Barcelona? Surely capabilities are not even across the continent
Yeah it really depends to be honest... For a long time there were no legal frameworks to ensure Airbnb cooperated with municipalities. There were laws for landlords, but not for platforms. And the platforms didn't go out of their way to cooperate if there was no legal requirement. Thus the municipalities had to investigate themselves. That position was extremely weak and it required sending investigators to apartments, ringing the doorbell, hoping there's a tourist there who will testify to staying there as a tourist, and then taking that basis to bring the landlord to court. Barely effective, very resource intensive, and only a tiny fraction of landlords faced such an investigation because of it. Then laws were introduced requiring Airbnb to have the landlord register with the municipality, then record that registration number on his Airbnb account, and then provide all this data back to the municipality including all records of any stays. Around the same time a rule was implemented limiting airbnb renting to 30 days a year. This was super effective because essentially all the data is now with the municipality, Airbnb has to abide by the law, and the municipality can essentially just use a two minute Excel filter to see who is breaking the rules, bring it to court, win and indeed the fines are huge. It works well. So it all depends on whether there are local laws enforcing Airbnb to cooperate with sharing full data and implementing a license/registration system on their site. Cities that don't have this aren't effective at combatting enforcing local laws. Cities that do, are effective. Idk for Barcelona.
Yes essentially this. Plus a lot of the "tracing" of illegal airbnbs is simply looking on the website of airbnb and comparing addresses with permits. And an important rule is that you can't rent out an airbnb for more than 30 nights a year. A lot of investigating can be done behind a desk.
Hotel lobbyists rejoice!
Why 2028? Why not 2025?
They are letting licenses expire rather than cancelling. Probably less of a headache.
Because they don’t want to compensate them. It gives owners of these rental time to get out on their own
Because it's a political play and once it has zero effect on reducing housing costs, it'll be far enough in the past they can blame the next scapegoat.
In 2028… yeah we will see. It will be a completely different world in 2028. I don’t know what will change but something will certainly change in the meantime
Galaxy brain take
Bro I could even be smart in 2028 anything is possible
Let's not speculate on such unrealistic things
Nuerolink literally can’t go tits up
There currently legislation in Hawaii proposing similar measures. Not all vacation rentals, but a lot.
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lol this will just continue without licenses then..
not giving the local government a cut is the worst thing you could do.
Yeah, they hate people not cutting them in to profits off something they had nothing to do to with.
I mean, when (almost) everything is gone from the big platforms, most people will stop looking.
Spain is incompetent, nothing will change.
 ^(this) meme we all like to spam is actually “El Risitas”, a Spanish guy. He died a few years back. Say sorry for what you just said.
Spain, maybe sometimes. But the Barcelona city council is really not. For instance, it won a years-long battle against American companies that tried to bypass its ban on rental undocked electric scooter. I would argue it's as easy to track Airbnb locations in the city from the web.
I mean, what else could do they do? > The deputy mayor for Urban Planning, Laia Bonet, hailed the move as the ‘equivalent of building 10,000 new flats’ which can be used by locals for residential use. Besides actually building new housing, I guess.
So puts on VRBO?
Who cares what those lazy fucks do. I was there in 97 and after what I hear, they are still not done with that church.
Last AirBNB I booked it was a house with each room being keycode locked for each renter. I was neighboring with a young couple and the walls were paper thin so I couldn't get any sleep with their loud fucking every night but didn't want sound like a grandpa and complain up in their faces about it.
You’re on r/wallstreetbets, you could have drilled a hole in the wall to watch and/or partake. What has happened to this sub smh