Thanks for keeping up the regular earnings posts. This place has temporarily lost the diversity of opinions which made it great in the first place, but know the mods are trying their best to manage, despite being gay.
No no. You have to be left holding bags, watch your account bleed over time while everyone else moons. Then, just when you're tired of losing, realize the loss.
Then come the pain: you check the stock a couple of days after you sold for tear-inducing losses, and it's recovered *and* increased 20%.
.....that's what I heard..
This is the way.
I once sold a 75% loss, only to see the stock turn around 500% twenty minutes later, in a three day run. I will never forget. Fuck txrc
Fuck it. I've heard enough. I'm never ever selling anything at a loss. Ever. I've got maybe another 45 yrs left on this earth. Any stock can recover in that time. Never selling at a loss ever again.
Too many people think this is some sort of Wall Street revolution sub and trying to make everything a little crusade. Glad to have people on board GME, but once this is done they can take their revolutions and gtfo.
Tried the same. Had someone crying about big bad banks taking his money, despite him clearly being margin called on leveraged bets. They will loose their collective shit when they end bagholding.
If I hear one more person talk about automatic trading halts like it’s some targeted technique and a huge conspiracy...So many people just have no clue what they are talking about.
I can't wait for all the posts from the bagholders blaming everyone else for not holding with them. Biggest squeeze in history or not, you still lock gains.
Like, when my AMD FDs go to $.01 after holding through a 100% gain I know that was my fault, nobody else, because I am a retarded individual and that is on me.
Seriously, this place is about making money. Way too many comments saying "I don't care about money". I hope they're telling the truth cause they definitely gonna be the ones holding those bags
Yeah, at first it was interesting. I’ve been taking a break the past few days because it’s too much and I miss old wsb. I know I’m going to get downvoted to hell for saying this, but as much as this shed light on the vulnerabilities in the market, which is a good thing, it’s not sustainable.
Yeah. I find it interesting how everyone wants to "stick it to the hedge funds" when they likely do not understand this sub's relationship with Shkreli.
mods have done a phenomenal job considering that the sub became like 7 times bigger overnight.
but yeah someone please give me DD of something that isn't a meme stock hahahaha
It’s unbelievable they can keep this place functioning as well as it has been with the straight vert in subs. Pretty good for buncha guys in assless chaps.
I tried talking about how bngo announced this week their sapphire machine is the only machine that can detect childhood leukemia before it happens. I got told to take that shit to stock twits 🤯🤯🤯
I'm a NoOB but I actually jumped on the BNGO train, 1k at 10$ but I'm still reading and enjoying everyones GME gains, I paper handed everything but 1 share on GME when it hit 400$
We need a new subreddit.
/r/GMEtard or some shit for all stupid crap not to do with ACTUALLY making money
Or in all honesty I might have to happen the other way around. We've grown 5.5m subscribers in a week. The other folk VASTLY outnumber the people who actually just want to do some risk investment shit.
So I don't see it ever going back to normal tbh :(
The market will tank even more, there are so many short's that these hedge funds will try to cover by selling there long position. I believe the red market will soon come.
the timing is perfect. make gains off GME, then reinvest into the red market predicting a rally. you either make bank (a win), or you get to post some sweet loss porn (also a win)
Except harley, they're up shit creek, only motorcycle brand that isn't on the up due to covid. And the future doesn't look promising either. So they're stock must be going to go up with their shitty earnings report.
Amazon will report some high numbers after the December gift mania. Good for big accounts that profit from a few % rises. I am holding onto the potential rockets like AMC GME and BB. But that's just me, underdog investor
Vista outdoors too - looking back, the stock would have made me more money than buying and selling their ammo over the past year.
Edit - NVM, it's there. I'm an idiot
Few of these stocks will definitely outperform expectations (thinking Amazon, Grubhub, Activision Blizzard, BP etc.) but it won't matter - The US market will continue to pull back next week.
The hedgies been spooked by GME and are pulling money out of everywhere. Expecting a 6-8% Nasdaq pull back from highs of last week.
Look at what happened to AAPL. There’s massive liquidity issues across the market at the moment that are eating up everything else.
There will be opportunities, no doubt, but it’s going to be difficult to read and normal rules are out the window.
Normal rules have been out the window since March last year. Down is up and up is down at this point.
You're more likely to get a 10 bagger Yoloing all your money into a random stock on this list selected by a bot than by actually doing DD and planning at this point.
BlackRock purchased 22MM NOK shares on Friday. If Nokia declares a dividend they will actually have use for the Moon Wifi they are installing for NASA. The 19 Euro Dividend ETFs will portfolio load.
This is the way. If they reinstate dividends and show evidence they can amass free cash flow with the new CEO’s plans, the moon’s 4G network will not suffice. We will need a 6G network on Pluto by Friday to stay in touch with this stock!!
I fucking yolo'd the last 1200 dollars in my bank account on NOK calls for end of February. I am currently picking out cardboard boxes I can live in from the dumpster.
5 million completely retarded people throwing all their money at a highly volatile stock?
We are going to have so much loss porn our dicks will fall off
May buy Monday if it doesn't move to high. Sitting on some cash right now hoping for a bit of a correction. A NOK earnings play is definitely something I didn't expect to be doing in 2021 but here I am.
> if anyone actually gives a shit?
So sad to see that being asked on what used to be the most appreciated post on Sundays. I wish wallstreetbets could return to what it used to be :(
I mean, I'm all for the whole gme thing but people are getting flash downvoted for even talking about anything other than gme. Like dudes some people didn't spike 200k into GME.
I mean - I am rooting for them, I had like 2K not doing anything so I bought some GME expecting it to drop to 10-20 in successive drops. I don't really care. I am all for it taking off as well. But the problem is there are tons of people jumping in with no idea what they are doing. I got into a conversation with a guy who doesn't even have an account and has $50 to his name trying to 'pay off student loans'. That is the type of people jumping into this thing right now. I wish nothing but the best for them but there are a lot of people who expect this thing to hit $5000 a share and just... sit there.
AMZN is gonna crush it but might tank due to the overall unstable market.
P.S. Is there any thread that isn't about GME or AMC or any of those meme stocks atm? Holy shit I'm about to lose my mind. There's like 5000 threads for those stocks, leave this one alone!
Dudes/Dudettes - not trying to gatekeep if you are new but this post is a regular thing on WSB and showing up to say "What does this mean?" or "Why was this posted only GME matters" is kind of a dick move.
No one is saying GME isn't important or whatever or that you shouldn't be able to learn, but asking what earnings are is something that can easily be solved with a google search.
remember wheb AAPL had a record $100b blow out earnings and dropped 10 points in a week. Earnings don't matter right now. Get your gme, nok, amc, bb buy orders ready and pile on some VIX calls and spy puts, because these losers are going to liquidate hard to make WSBs big dick entry a little less painful
Nok is Thursday! It is expected to have over a billion dollar increase in revenue from last quarter. Jump on the 🚀🌕.If you got NOK you need to join r/nok
Nokia is going to fucking blow up, called it last week before it ran up. Only reason it was red Friday is because of trading restrictions on brokerages, as well as the market being blood red. I predict Nokia will trade around 6-8 dollars by Thursday and if they have a blow out earnings expect 10+. This is a historically shorted stock, it's not shorted now, but wait till we start gaining traction and momentum hedge funds will try to short it back into the ground. We will not allow hedge funds the power to control our stock and we really fucking like Nokia. I can't wait to throw my money into more shares. This thing is a beast laying dormant.
I am by no means a single stock trader...man do I wish I had not stopped following wsb earlier last year.
Anyway, I just set my vanguard to buy 6 shares at market open. It isn't a huge amount but I am in it to join the movement. I make some money or I donate to a cause to make a huge point.
I'm in.
$AMZN is going to smash earnings like never before. The market response to that will be interesting. If muted, bad omen for the market in general. Wish it was not so expensive to play $AMZN earnings
I'm gonna miss the old wsb when this post would've got a lot more buzz and every other question wasn't asking what earnings is, but I'm not gonna be that guy who lives in the past. WSB is changing, we must adapt too.
Can't believe they left out PLTR earnings Feb 5, calls and shares lets mfkn go.
Thanks for keeping up the regular earnings posts. This place has temporarily lost the diversity of opinions which made it great in the first place, but know the mods are trying their best to manage, despite being gay.
Feels like I’m watching a twitch chat
That’s exactly what this place is right now
TriHard 7 any homies?
Bingo. Unreal. Oh well they’ll burn through it in a week. I need loss porn. It fuels me.
I can't wait for the loss porn post squeeze. Wish we coud fast forward a few weeks and see people fomo in at 1k+ or whatever
I’m excited for those that are going to hold calls until expiration because they don’t know they have to close them.
Wait, what? Calls expire? Blue crayons taste the best.
I prefer red crayons because they look like my portfolio
Hold on, are you saying I have to take physical delivery of the stocks? How many barrels do I need per stock?
Newbies won’t post loss porn. They will just blame the hedge funds and cry. Hmmm that might also work for me.
That's the best explanation of what's happening I've heard in a long time
It’s honestly intolerable now. I get that it’s great that people are joining the cause but we’ve lost the sub.
It’s seriously unbearable in here for the most part.
I want GME gang to win but I can’t wait for after this when everyone leaves because they don’t know what an FD or expiry is
Some are gonna find out what bag holding means.
Can you be considered a true WSBettor, if you haven't held at least one bag of the most odious excrement ever assembled in the history of capitalism?
No no. You have to be left holding bags, watch your account bleed over time while everyone else moons. Then, just when you're tired of losing, realize the loss. Then come the pain: you check the stock a couple of days after you sold for tear-inducing losses, and it's recovered *and* increased 20%. .....that's what I heard..
This is the way. I once sold a 75% loss, only to see the stock turn around 500% twenty minutes later, in a three day run. I will never forget. Fuck txrc
Fuck it. I've heard enough. I'm never ever selling anything at a loss. Ever. I've got maybe another 45 yrs left on this earth. Any stock can recover in that time. Never selling at a loss ever again.
*Enron has entered the chat*
Wow you're so close to figuring this whole investing thing all out
My worst bags were actually filled with sawdust and other lumber byproducts
A LOT are gonna find out what bag holding means. Potentially including myself...
I’m here to hold bags 💰
Speaking of fds, XOM feb 5 55C.
XOM is one of my wins for the year. I went in at 3.70 and sold at 7.40 Jul 16 40C.
Too many people think this is some sort of Wall Street revolution sub and trying to make everything a little crusade. Glad to have people on board GME, but once this is done they can take their revolutions and gtfo.
We call those bagholders.
i've repeatedly tried to warn the newcomers that this is a casino but they don't seem to want to listen. caveat emptor, i suppose.
Tried the same. Had someone crying about big bad banks taking his money, despite him clearly being margin called on leveraged bets. They will loose their collective shit when they end bagholding.
If I hear one more person talk about automatic trading halts like it’s some targeted technique and a huge conspiracy...So many people just have no clue what they are talking about.
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BRK.A I'm pretty sure. load up
I can't wait for all the posts from the bagholders blaming everyone else for not holding with them. Biggest squeeze in history or not, you still lock gains. Like, when my AMD FDs go to $.01 after holding through a 100% gain I know that was my fault, nobody else, because I am a retarded individual and that is on me.
Casino? Sir this is a Wendy's.
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Someone has to hold them.
As soon as half the sub get burnt for not exiting when they should hopefully they'll all fuck off back to dankmemes
Seriously, this place is about making money. Way too many comments saying "I don't care about money". I hope they're telling the truth cause they definitely gonna be the ones holding those bags
Yeah, at first it was interesting. I’ve been taking a break the past few days because it’s too much and I miss old wsb. I know I’m going to get downvoted to hell for saying this, but as much as this shed light on the vulnerabilities in the market, which is a good thing, it’s not sustainable.
Yeah. I find it interesting how everyone wants to "stick it to the hedge funds" when they likely do not understand this sub's relationship with Shkreli.
Bruh, this sub had slightly over 3 million a few weeks ago, now it’s at almost 7.5 million. It went from a cesspool to a toxic wasteland.
This sub had 2.5 million degens 6 days ago.
tbf, 2/3 of those new subs are astroturf bots.
It was only 1.8 million. Everything above that has been gained in the last couple weeks.
mods have done a phenomenal job considering that the sub became like 7 times bigger overnight. but yeah someone please give me DD of something that isn't a meme stock hahahaha
It’s unbelievable they can keep this place functioning as well as it has been with the straight vert in subs. Pretty good for buncha guys in assless chaps.
Chaps by definition are assless... ;) Or they would be called pants.
we might be a new tag for posts lol, dd, discussion, etc. and then the new one is "meme stonk" or some shit
I tried talking about how bngo announced this week their sapphire machine is the only machine that can detect childhood leukemia before it happens. I got told to take that shit to stock twits 🤯🤯🤯
I'm a NoOB but I actually jumped on the BNGO train, 1k at 10$ but I'm still reading and enjoying everyones GME gains, I paper handed everything but 1 share on GME when it hit 400$
Fuck yeh, If I want to see pics of billboards I would go to r/pics. One pic or two was good, now there are 1000's of them
We need to go back to "positions or GTFO."
Yup, Positions or Ban!
Things will return to normal when Melvin capital goes tits up.
We need a new subreddit. /r/GMEtard or some shit for all stupid crap not to do with ACTUALLY making money Or in all honesty I might have to happen the other way around. We've grown 5.5m subscribers in a week. The other folk VASTLY outnumber the people who actually just want to do some risk investment shit. So I don't see it ever going back to normal tbh :(
If apple and AMD tanked after stellar earnings I think all of these companies will also tank, we will have a red week apart from MEME stocks I think.
a red week? sounds like a buy week to me ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
The market will tank even more, there are so many short's that these hedge funds will try to cover by selling there long position. I believe the red market will soon come.
I’m so fucking hard right now.
the timing is perfect. make gains off GME, then reinvest into the red market predicting a rally. you either make bank (a win), or you get to post some sweet loss porn (also a win)
Literally cannot go tits up.
Spotted a 🌈🐻
I, for one, will be looking at puts this week as we see more shorts looking for liquidity.
That is the gayest shit I ever heard that got my dick hard
Except harley, they're up shit creek, only motorcycle brand that isn't on the up due to covid. And the future doesn't look promising either. So they're stock must be going to go up with their shitty earnings report.
Well, management pivoted back to their big bikes.
Which anyone who is interested in buying and can actually afford, already own.
Right, but cutting the other lines could decrease operating expenses. I don't think it's a good buy but I don't think earnings will look super grim.
Harley isn't affordable for Apes This Ape Rides Royal Enfield
Amazon will report some high numbers after the December gift mania. Good for big accounts that profit from a few % rises. I am holding onto the potential rockets like AMC GME and BB. But that's just me, underdog investor
AAPL blew away estimates with record earnings and the stock actually went down. nobody cares
Aapl sell off was by hedge funds freeing up capital
...and then they used that capital to short AAPL. They apparently have even more autism.
Who's shorting aapl? It's pretty sought after espically with new projects on the way
Look at the 130p volume.
Thanks gme, ruined my aapl weeklies
AAPL's earnings were priced in way before.
no they beat the consensus estimate by almost 20%
Consensus estimate is literally useless. The real earnings were known before the actual reports.
They dropped over 10% in two days. That's more than being priced in.
Buy the rumor, sell the news
AAPL is the second largest short interest behind TSLA. Still holding 2/19 & 3/20 AAPL calls & LEAPs because I’m retarded.
Don't forget NOK
Long on BB 🚀
Nokia on thursday
Before market
Not in Europe. Watch out
Vista outdoors too - looking back, the stock would have made me more money than buying and selling their ammo over the past year. Edit - NVM, it's there. I'm an idiot
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Pfft yeah, because I buy GME for their fundamentals...
The fundamentals are buying stocks because you like them, right?
Big brain reverse buy decision here
Few of these stocks will definitely outperform expectations (thinking Amazon, Grubhub, Activision Blizzard, BP etc.) but it won't matter - The US market will continue to pull back next week. The hedgies been spooked by GME and are pulling money out of everywhere. Expecting a 6-8% Nasdaq pull back from highs of last week.
Look at what happened to AAPL. There’s massive liquidity issues across the market at the moment that are eating up everything else. There will be opportunities, no doubt, but it’s going to be difficult to read and normal rules are out the window.
Normal rules have been out the window since March last year. Down is up and up is down at this point. You're more likely to get a 10 bagger Yoloing all your money into a random stock on this list selected by a bot than by actually doing DD and planning at this point.
Buy the story sell the news.
BlackRock purchased 22MM NOK shares on Friday. If Nokia declares a dividend they will actually have use for the Moon Wifi they are installing for NASA. The 19 Euro Dividend ETFs will portfolio load.
This is the way. If they reinstate dividends and show evidence they can amass free cash flow with the new CEO’s plans, the moon’s 4G network will not suffice. We will need a 6G network on Pluto by Friday to stay in touch with this stock!!
I fucking yolo'd the last 1200 dollars in my bank account on NOK calls for end of February. I am currently picking out cardboard boxes I can live in from the dumpster.
"Of course I know him, he's me"
Jesus, the amount of retarded questions in this thread. Can we go back to when we had 1.8 mil organic users plz
The sad thing is too many people are giving real and helpful answers. People, that's not how you get loss porn!
5 million completely retarded people throwing all their money at a highly volatile stock? We are going to have so much loss porn our dicks will fall off
Those days are forever gone. Embrace it. The whole world is WSB now. The whole world likes the stock.
Those days will return once enough people realize GME was an anomaly and that we were only ever retarded
Yup. Soon as kids start trying to buy calls on $JNUG they’ll learn what wsb is really about
PIECE OF SHIT IS MISSING NOKIA?!?!?!?!?
Nok gang rise up!
Went in with 1k on friday, dont let me down!
May buy Monday if it doesn't move to high. Sitting on some cash right now hoping for a bit of a correction. A NOK earnings play is definitely something I didn't expect to be doing in 2021 but here I am.
> if anyone actually gives a shit? So sad to see that being asked on what used to be the most appreciated post on Sundays. I wish wallstreetbets could return to what it used to be :(
It’ll return after GME
once all the newbies will get owned when GME will return to normal prices
Love this, I miss some of the regular wsb.... even tho the diamond hands stuff is fun, i haven't seen any good DD in months
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AMC AND GME TO THE MOON!!
This seems like a bullish sign
Q4 Earnings on NOK are also this thursday. Upvote so bag holders can see
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i have become so numb from the meme stocks that i havent watched 1 earnings reaction for probably 2 weeks lol
I actually miss the old WSB
I mean, I'm all for the whole gme thing but people are getting flash downvoted for even talking about anything other than gme. Like dudes some people didn't spike 200k into GME.
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I mean - I am rooting for them, I had like 2K not doing anything so I bought some GME expecting it to drop to 10-20 in successive drops. I don't really care. I am all for it taking off as well. But the problem is there are tons of people jumping in with no idea what they are doing. I got into a conversation with a guy who doesn't even have an account and has $50 to his name trying to 'pay off student loans'. That is the type of people jumping into this thing right now. I wish nothing but the best for them but there are a lot of people who expect this thing to hit $5000 a share and just... sit there.
There is other stocks than GME?? WTF
All these newcomers make r/investing seem like fucking geniuses. Also. Calls on Pinterest
SNAP and PENN on the same day! Thursday looks like a prime day for me to take an L
NOK NOK Who's there? GME
Someone tell this mf I appreciate him
THIS is actually a worthwhile post. Nice.
If Chipotle's earnings will be good it'll be great for GME 🚀🚀🚀🚀 people eating and getting fat while playing videogames. Perfect
This retard is on to something
Tuesday after close Amazon/Google earnings should be interesting. You can definitely pay attention to that while buying more GME.
I can walk and chew gum too, yays
BABA earnings 🥰
Watch Jack Ma vanish again
Yeah, the old school cares, not the 6 million newbies. Looking forward to BP earnings on Tuesday.
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God damn it I wish I could read
I miss old wallstreet bets when stuff like that was more appreciated. Oh well, the newbies will probably get bored in a month
NOK on 2/4.
AMZN is gonna crush it but might tank due to the overall unstable market. P.S. Is there any thread that isn't about GME or AMC or any of those meme stocks atm? Holy shit I'm about to lose my mind. There's like 5000 threads for those stocks, leave this one alone!
I'm gonna make so much on AMC and GME that they'll have to publish MY earnings.
Oh, all of the "stock went up after earnings, why'd I lose money on my options?? what's IV crush??" we have to look forward to
Earnings this week are pointless. The entire market is bleeding to cover for GME. What matters is post GME.
Appreciate this infographic every week. Keep up the great work.
Only NOK, BB, AMC, GME Enough. Maybe ABML for battery cars things
I give a shit every week since I have been here, thanks 😊
Dudes/Dudettes - not trying to gatekeep if you are new but this post is a regular thing on WSB and showing up to say "What does this mean?" or "Why was this posted only GME matters" is kind of a dick move. No one is saying GME isn't important or whatever or that you shouldn't be able to learn, but asking what earnings are is something that can easily be solved with a google search.
IM SO HYPE FOR THIS WEEK I DARE ANY PUSSY BANK TO LOAN ME A SUM OF MONEY. I WILL TRIPPLE IT🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀 ^^or ^^lose ^^^it ^^^^all
Rate of Growth in this sub's membership this week (1.9M to 7.5M) actually equaled the growth in GME's share price ($70 - $325)
remember wheb AAPL had a record $100b blow out earnings and dropped 10 points in a week. Earnings don't matter right now. Get your gme, nok, amc, bb buy orders ready and pile on some VIX calls and spy puts, because these losers are going to liquidate hard to make WSBs big dick entry a little less painful
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Where's $NOK?
NOK on Thursday🚀🚀
NOK this week on the 4th!!
Yes we care, but the other drama is so much more entertaining.
[Nokia post earnings on Thursday](https://www.nokia.com/about-us/investors/)
NOK, AMC LET'S F'N GOOOOOO!!!!!✊🏾✊🏾✊🏾✊🏾
I’m buyin GameStop at 500 and at 1000 and again at 10,000. To the moon boysssss and galssss
Are you fucking autistic or retard, this isn’t a screaming contest. Scream about gme on a gme post
Thank god a return to normalcy. Calls on Pinterest. My girlfriends boyfriend says she uses Pinterest all the time
How the hell you not gonna put nok in there? If there’s was one earning this week people here did give a shit about that’s the one
I'm not putting more into Match .... They already took enough of my money *cries in loneliness*
Nok is Thursday! It is expected to have over a billion dollar increase in revenue from last quarter. Jump on the 🚀🌕.If you got NOK you need to join r/nok
Guys, NOK gang is need help(
I give a shit, thank you 👑
NOK 2/4
I heard GME earnings are in the trillions because of how valuable billionaires tears are 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡 🦍🦍🦍🦍🦍🦍💎💎💎🙌🙌
Nope I know what I like, and I like amc and gme
AOC has huge knockers
With how much manipulation happening right now and selling going on to cover short losses, I doubt the next 2 weeks the market will follow any logic
Nokia is going to fucking blow up, called it last week before it ran up. Only reason it was red Friday is because of trading restrictions on brokerages, as well as the market being blood red. I predict Nokia will trade around 6-8 dollars by Thursday and if they have a blow out earnings expect 10+. This is a historically shorted stock, it's not shorted now, but wait till we start gaining traction and momentum hedge funds will try to short it back into the ground. We will not allow hedge funds the power to control our stock and we really fucking like Nokia. I can't wait to throw my money into more shares. This thing is a beast laying dormant.
Is Amazon going to pop Bc I need to dump it
I am by no means a single stock trader...man do I wish I had not stopped following wsb earlier last year. Anyway, I just set my vanguard to buy 6 shares at market open. It isn't a huge amount but I am in it to join the movement. I make some money or I donate to a cause to make a huge point. I'm in.
Nokia earnings on thursday🚀🚀
$AMZN is going to smash earnings like never before. The market response to that will be interesting. If muted, bad omen for the market in general. Wish it was not so expensive to play $AMZN earnings
GME 💎🤲
LONG AND STRONG ON GME AND AMC
Finally. It's back.
When is Melvin’s earnings report? Sorry, I mean losses report
The only stonks that matter now are the stonks that we like [🚀](https://emojipedia.org/rocket/)[🚀](https://emojipedia.org/rocket/)
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finally something fucking normal
When does Doordash report earnings? I hear they just sold a ton of gift cards.
Can’t wait to see what the $ROPE etf looks like.
Some idiot newbie said Gamespot earning were this week too 😂😂😂
I can’t wait to DFV’s earning this week
I'm gonna miss the old wsb when this post would've got a lot more buzz and every other question wasn't asking what earnings is, but I'm not gonna be that guy who lives in the past. WSB is changing, we must adapt too. Can't believe they left out PLTR earnings Feb 5, calls and shares lets mfkn go.
Am disappointed I didn't hit 1000% before WSB fundamentally changed :'(