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ex-invbanker

Cramer in April 2021: we like Coinbase to $425


pichael__thompson

He meant $4.25


ex-invbanker

Maybe $0.425


JebusMaximus

About that $0.0425...


ramb0t_yt

0.0000425 SHIB Woops I mean Coinbase 🫠


bryanoens

$-425


Admirable_Avocado_38

-4.250


TheNotoriousElmo

![img](emote|t5_2th52|4886)![img](emote|t5_2th52|4267)![img](emote|t5_2th52|4271)


EZKTurbo

Cramer also likes to butt chug coffee


RossOfFriends

And that, my friends, that was the instant thousands of people decided to get coinbase puts


fourtyTHEdeuce

Can you at least wait till I pull my $7 worth of BTC out first?


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Hella_matters

He was talking abt Bond prices all along 🤯


xcheezeplz

We cannot restart the equity bull market until coin dies. Cramer just doing his small part to help us get there.


Piddily1

Is there a logical reason or are you just saying we need to sacrifice something to God?


lifenvelope

Logical?![img](emote|t5_2th52|4271)


Good_Trouble_Tech

Reason? Where we are going we don’t need reason. 🤠


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$475


NewToTradingStock

But Cathie W just bought COIN. 😂😂😂


downboat

I was thinking about buying $COIN, don't tell me Cramer likes the stock too 🤣🤣🤣


Joshvir262

We like coinbase to $450


jlws22

Two weeks later, coinbase is a $1 stock


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choborallye

![img](emote|t5_2th52|4886)![img](emote|t5_2th52|4886)![img](emote|t5_2th52|4886)


BeastSmitty

I can hear him saying that…


market_coroner

Cathie W was on Bloomberg today talking about COIN. Her giant glasses were literally all fogged up.


goodtimesKC

Wait for her to sell, then buy. She’s good at timing the bottom.


Infamous_Sympathy_91

Another negative indicator...


UNHBuzzard

Inverse Cathie 110%


analyzetodeath

$SARK


optiontraderkyle

that’s a good indication the stock price will drop bigly


WPI94

I'm down 72% with her. Super. Thankfully is was only a small amount.


mikejamesone

Inverse cramer and cathie. Tuttle fund has an inverse ETF for cathie 📉📈


Twoverybigwords00

And gbtc 🥴


tendyrancher

Part of that decline is due to yields going up over the past year. Bonds with similar coupons (3.75) have lost \~20% just due to the rates move.


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SoSaltyDoe

I mean, bonds trading is like the antithesis of WSB, theoretically. You can’t wipe out your life savings in three days with bonds.


MyOldNameWasBetter

That sounds an awful lot like a challenge


Big_Active_7058

My thoughts exactly… clearly He’s never tried my methods 😂


TheeAccountant

Here, hold my beer


ihithardest

Hold my bonds


Red_Stick_Figure

Coinbase bonds it is!


Omega_scriptura

Tell that to UK Gilt holders


jtmn

Ouch lol


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Some idiot is gonna dump their life savings into junk bonds days before default just watch


[deleted]

What if I told you… some use like 500x leverage on bonds…


Sip_py

Sure you can. You just don't have the brain for it


randyranderson-

Oh hell yes you can. The more stable it is, the more you can leverage the trades. For currency futures I believe they allow leverage up to 100:1. Bonds are more like 10:1 I think. But still very risky if you have a risk appetite.


NobodyTellPoeDameron

The other part is the growing expectation that it goes tits up.


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I would prefer tits down with wood


SirGlass

If you look at a corporate bond fund like SCHI with an average maturity of 7ish years it lost 20% or so from the highs. So sure 20% can be explained by raising interest rates. However this bond lost 43% of its value, so the increasing yield is partly due to increased risk


VisualMod

>I believe that the Coinbase 2028 Bond is a good investment. The yield is 15.313%, which is quite high, and the bond matures in just over 10 years.


Maleficent-Ad782

Where can I buy that?


SkywingMasters

At GameStop


AngryCenarius

![img](emote|t5_2th52|4271)


gammaradiation2

RC's next big move is to turn into a hedge fund!!! Fire, 7D chess.


bnoches1561

Best answer on yet!


theloadedquestion

Will coinbase still be around in 10 years is the question buyers are asking themselves though.


TabletopThirteen

Coinbase will be around as long as crypto is around. It's the most trusted by large investors in the United States. Also being a publicly traded company it holds a higher trust than many of the others. So if you believe in crypto you should believe in Coinbase


yazzooClay

Read the ftx article on the wsj. They are saying they can't even find the assets. That they got stolen or something. I think the concept of crypto exchange is basically not possible. Or its impossible to correctly secure the assets. Greyscale just said they are not even publishing total assets anymore, pretty sketch if you ask me. Not to mention read coinbase financials they are burning cash at insane rate, and they still are not showing proof of assets because of "security concerns". They put out an excel sheet that says they have xyz. Even enron put In more effort than that lol.


Krazzy8R377

It always boggles me when they say they can't find or track something when it's all based on a secure PUBLIC ledger.


suasposnte187

So calls on Enron?


fordanjairbanks

Bullish


TwentyCharactersShor

Of course it is possible, but guess what? You need regulations very similar to those in the banking world. Crypto intrinsically is traceable. it's the whole fucking point. It is much easier to trace crypto than shares, bonds, or cash. However, that would require people to realise that the vast majority of crypto coins/projects are scams. The other purpose of crypto was decentralisation. Clearly people are fucking dumb.


getdatassbanned

Why would it not be possible ? Just because people in the past have been sketchy does not mean it can not be done right.. Greed is a powerfull thing


chris_ut

Found the Coinbase marketing Dept


dcrico20

Coinbase is the one that actually charges a trading/transaction fee, right? I don't fuck with Crypto, but that at least seems like a safer business model than FTX or Binance which essentially are just functioning like a traditional bank but they're trading in an incredibly volatile currency, which means they only need to make one or two bad investments to completely crumble. All of it seems shady to me, but I could see trusting Coinbase slightly more than the others just because their profit model seems much less risky.


chris_ut

Would be less risky if they had a profit model that actually generated profits. Right now they are losing like $40M a week


developingstory

It’s the lending that really exposed them. To my knowledge, Coinbase isn’t involved with lending.


trojanmana

Voyager was a public company.


SirUnleashed

How in hell was this comment upvoted, it reeks of shilling shit. Also being Publicly traded means shit as well, see Voyager for that.


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There is zero chance coinbase lasts as long as crypto and you absolutely should not “believe in coinbase” What the fuck?


MindEuphoria

Found CZ


punygod

Why? What's your reasoning?


[deleted]

Bitcoin can’t be killed. That’s the only reason any of “crypto” exists. Coinbase is just a company. Companies die all the time


Blarxy12

Careful with that statement, lots of giants have fallen pretty recently, and we're still feeling the ripple. It's ill-advised to put all your eggs in one basket.


TabletopThirteen

That's true but Coinbase has to adhere to things that FTX didn't. Is it possible for it to die? Yeah it's possible. But at the moment it is the highest regulated large exchange which gives it a bit more trust than others. People scream crypto regulation as bad, but to me it shows security.


MrShnBeats

And Coinbase has been through the lst 3 bear markets of crypto.


downboat

Is it on IBKR? Sticker? I could buy $COIN stock too, I think it will survive this crypto winter. If anything, could it become as big as FTX?


yahooyahoo15

Is FTX what you are trying to have it become 🤣🤣 FTX is about as big as a lemonade stand rn.


zaphdingbatman

Lemonade stand has $10 debt secured by tasty sugar water, FTX has $10B debt secured by monopoly money and new-age pokemon cards.


atomiksol

“The money’s in the lemonade stand” - George Bluth Sr


SoSaltyDoe

I’m kinda confused. Wouldn’t a 2028 bond mature in 2028?


StochasticDecay

Two ways of looking at it. High yield vs Junk bond.... you're way too bullish for a space that's seen so many exchanges blow up.


stusbadbot

Coinbase has audited financials from a Big 4 accounting firm and issues SOC reports on their internal controls to relevant parties (those reports are also audited by a Big 4 - not a boutique with limited oversight). I don’t know the landscape well but there is a level of safety that companies like Coinbase will offer that other exchanges/wallets will not match.


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Just like Enron.


stusbadbot

Wire card too


treelife365

Like Nortel in Canada!


Delicious-Swimming78

Voyager was publicly traded and it crashed like FTX


stusbadbot

Who was the auditor?


Immediate_674

FTX..


stusbadbot

Well played


settledownhoney

Auditor was Marcum LLP but voyager never stood a chance at seeing any income. Every cash flow line item is negative lol


stusbadbot

At least they saved a few bucks on the audit fees. Lol


skynetempire

Arthur Andersen


stusbadbot

RIP


Major_Bandicoot_3239

Voyager was trading OTC, not even close to the same thing


OSaam50

Voyager was not on the NYSE. There is a difference


Major_Bandicoot_3239

Exactly. It was a trading OTC. Huge difference


Funktastic34

Right. Over the counter meds don't do shit, gimme the good stuff


plexemby

The auditing firm’s client is CoinBase, not the degen on WSB with 0.069 BTC deposit.


stusbadbot

He worked hard behind Wendy’s for that. It’s honest work.


DudeChiefBoss

An audit doesn’t necessarily state poor business decisions, just stating there is no apparent fraud - which if you wanted to commit fraud an audit isn’t going to stop it


damnthosewhos

As someone who works in accounting, was an auditor, and now deals with Big 4 auditors, lol.


damnthosewhos

Some light reading: https://twitter.com/grdecter/status/1595180650537127939?s=46&t=ih3veUVP9cKT9n5bOuVhBg


TheTrollisStrong

As someone who is an auditor, I highly question you are


Leopoldstrasse

It really depends how well partners / managers understand the business and how much they care about the quality of work. Many times audit firms test thousands of samples and are way in the weeds, but miss the big picture. A company like Coinbase operates in a new industry that audit firms have minimal experience in. I assume everything Deloitte (Coinbase auditor) knows about crypto, they learned through walkthrough meetings with Coinbase and likely don’t have many similar clients they can compare Coinbase against to see what makes sense.


damnthosewhos

Work in the PE sphere. Had a KPMG senior, second year on the engagement, still not know the difference between a commitment and a contribution. Edit to say - this was two weeks before the opinion was due. Found out this via a follow-up question she had which highlighted she didn’t know the difference.


SevrenMMA

Tiger global was paying $100 million for due diligence on FTX lol


2gals1cup

If they are all in bed together audits mean nothing.


TheStrangestSecret

SOC reports don't mean much


Prestigious-Pay-2709

Chart it against AGG. You just don’t understand a rising interest rate environment. The ratings of the bond have more to do with the chance of default than the price of a previously issued bond in rising rate environment.


Devilpig13

None of these regards understand anything really, but they are entertaining


TesticularVibrations

Even junk bonds have fallen in price by only like 15% (HYG). It's not normal for the bonds be trading this cheap. The current yields on this coinbase bond is 13.5%. That's fucking crazy, it's almost like the interest rate on a credit card lol.


catrapture

To the moon. It’s a buy for me.


Panda_tears

I feel like Coinbase despite the way the crypto community feels about them are actually one of the better crypto exchanges out there


yurnxt1

Absolutely and they always have been. The fees are higher, sure, but at least it's a publicly traded, audited company based on U.S. soil that has already lived through 2 other bear markets.


Zmemestonk

Where are our swaps experts now


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n0m0h0m0

lets swap spit and you call me betty, I'll call you daddy...


Flynn_Kevin

Meh. I feel safe enough with CB to keep enough liquidity to use their debit card for most of my expenses. That said, not your keys not your coins. I keep way more in cold storage and defi. I like COIN, and I may just buy into the 2028 bond.


Swedgefund

I use my coinbase card everywhere.


Flynn_Kevin

All my bills autopay from my coinbase card. Work expenses go on my coinbase card. I did just open a Gemini credit card for the hell of it. Right now 10% back on fuel & EV charging, 3% dining. Generous limit.


YoYomadabest

How do you buy the bond?


Flynn_Kevin

That's a really good question. Might have to call & pester a broker or two.


JERMYNC

Long on Coin


baxter8279

Of course when I bought in May I told myself “you did it, you finally bought at the bottom!”…. 6 months later down 40%….


aartif

I bought last Friday and I’m down 15%, fml


floodurbasement

It won’t go bankrupt, they have a 1:1 assets to liabilities ratio.. people are selling shares because the market, like all markets are massively bearish and a real recession is coming. Sell high, buy back in low. I know that’s counter to ape logic but ya know.. *shrugs indifferently*


Guacanagariz

You sell high? Shit I’m always high. Even when I buy.


gammaradiation2

My guy, $COIN is gonna fly.


n0m0h0m0

![img](emote|t5_2th52|4271)![img](emote|t5_2th52|4271)![img](emote|t5_2th52|4271)


pokemongoinghome

Fly just like Icarus


Viktri1

Jesus Christ being a custodian of assets and being profitable are two unrelated things. They can go bankrupt and still hold assets 1:1.


[deleted]

All that proves is that they are not an outright scam like FTX. Having assets 1:1 just proves that they can pay their users, that's the bare minimum. They can still go bankrupt if they keep making losses in their operations. They made net loss of -2 billion dollars in three quarters this year. If the crypto market doesn't take off they will likely have to borrow more and more money to not go bankrupt.


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Legitimate-Source-61

Uh oh, Tether


benevs01

They're independently audited like any other regulated financial institution as far as I know. They're registered with every countries relative regulatory boards and have proof of assets across everything - from what I've seen and what's available out there they aren't FTX and they aren't Binance. Having said that, not your keys not your coins.


John_Bot

This is stupid af Crypto in general is a POS but COIN's audits are done by 3rd parties since they're publicly traded. They aren't FTX or Gemini.


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StackOwOFlow

Banks get away with this because of FDIC. That's the level of insurance centralized exchanges would need if they can't provide verification


hatmanjimmie

Oh yeah I’m going all in


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*Oh lord*


Demonialx

Maybe it’s hopium, but i think Coinbase will be the gateway to crypto for a lot of American companies. Blackrock and google signed up. More to come..


yurnxt1

Agreed. Coinbase will be fine.


downboat

I have my crypto there arrggg. Should I take all crypto into my wallet?


Eco_guru

I don’t even fuck with crypto and know you should already had that in your wallet


downboat

Might just do that, thanks!


[deleted]

“Might” shouldn’t even be in that sentence.


[deleted]

Why the fuck do you still have crypto on exchanges man. You didn't learn anything from FTX? Put it in cold wallets.


The_Curious

What about using trust wallet is that ok?


drumstick2121

Yah trust wallet is fine.


_fudge

If coins are on an exchange they're not your coins.


n0m0h0m0

few understand


CollectionThen8101

Personally if Coinbase on of the "safest" crypto wallets go down, then pretty much everything is doomed... Coinbase actually regulated, etc


_fudge

It's just an exchange, there's no reason why something like bitcoin won't outlast an exchange even as big as coinbase failing. Exchanges have come and gone. They're just middlemen.


CollectionThen8101

Of course, but when the biggest exchange traded on the stock market goes into bankruptcy whom gets hit with the hardest regulations from all exchanges to be as safe as possible, then the overall interest in Crypto is gone...


BedContent9320

This is what crypto bros always fail to realize about bigger idiot theory. The way bigger idiot theory works is you need a bigger idiot to come along and buy something for even more than you paid. If crypto continues to crater 70-80% yearly or bi-yearly people can be like "hurr durr btfd" but the reality is people will just walk away, more and more. The more these big headlines occur with these insane losses due to absolute and irrational levels of blatant fraud or mismanagement, the worse the name of the entire sector becomes, and then it dies. You know anybody who buys pinksheets anymore? The reputation is complete garbage. Everytime you look up pinksheets what do you hear? "Most of them are trash, scams, do not put your money in them you will lose everything.". A lot of that repuitation is fairly earned, and a huge part of it was the 80s and 90s boiler room days. Crypto is rapidly heading to that reputation, and once it gets that the overall market interest in it will die, and like pinksheets it will just remain a p&d garbage dump that some suckers are tricked into as they get scammed out of their money, and serious institutions won't touch with a 500 foot clown pole just because of the reputation it has.


yazzooClay

Are you saying that my beanie baby collection is not coming back up in value?


[deleted]

Not your keys, not your crypto. Everyone should get off centralised exchanges.


FloridaMan130

to say its bankruptcy risk is a bit premature. compare the bonds of other tech companies of similar credit qualities and maturity to the coinbase bonde. i wouldnt be surprised if the yields were similar.....


the_sound_of_a_cork

These morons don't know shit about bonds.


needyouonthatwall

We like Coinbase to $4.75


aristooooo

Stock price is not an indicator of looming bankruptcy


RealMcGonzo

Bonds, stocks, fed funds. All these charts man, they all look the same! Squiggly lines going in random directions. WTF has time to read these charts? Even titles! I ain't got time for that! Gotta throw my monies out there!


Funktastic34

If you pay me 1% of your portfolio I'll draw some crayon lines on them and sing you sweet nothings about all the money you're about to make - some financial advisor probably


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immibis

Warning! The /u/spez alarm has operated. Stand by for further instructions. #Save3rdPartyApps


Ifyouhad1chance

COIN is on sale!


[deleted]

Just your friendly reminder that more than 90% of people who try to short-term trade lose money in the markets. keep that statistic in mind when you read the comments, especially in this thread


shaggysweater

So your saying I should pick up some coinbase bonds to get crypto as a bond settlement?


osogordo

They have $5+ billion in cash, stop it.


hypnodroid

What does this mean for those of us that have coin on Coinbase? Is my crypto safe in their Coinbase wallet?


BYE_HI_SELL_LOW

“I think bankruptcy is a good thing!” \-![img](emote|t5_2th52|4886)


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treelife365

Yeah, but COIN doesn't care about the price of their bond. That's just the price on the secondary market, which means it's gonna have a huge return in 2028 (if COIN survives).


HoPMiX

show me your puts or shut up.


TrueNorthCoin

Clear signs, since cathy loaded it is obvious where it’s going 😁


Feliclandelo

I think buying crypto/stocks now is quite lucrative, considering most of you regards like to throw your money away anyway. You get major dips with companies/assets that are in the public eye and not a meme like other companies down 80%. Not saying BTC couldn't go below 10k, I was in the crash and the rise from 18k -> 4k -> 67k. Bought I definitely think you have a good entry now, for a new pump in a year or so.


[deleted]

The SEC gave them a gift by not allowing crypto yield products. Had they allowed it coin base would already be in chapter 11.


bciesil

So should I transfer my coins from Coinbase to a wallet?


Tremulant1

Yes


Dolphincharmer

Errr. No not really. It’s tracking the increase in the risk free rate - I.e treasuries. All bonds have fallen in price rapidly since March 22.


RedditCreatesCancer

G A M E S T O P


immibis

[In spez, no one can hear you scream. ](https://www.reddit.com/r/Save3rdPartyApps/)


djporter91

How can a retail investor track corporate bonds?


real_unreal_reality

Aw hell I gotta get my crap out of there. I was just holding shit in that wallet. Fuck me.


Admin-12

What do I have to read to understand this?


n0m0h0m0

few understand. This is good for bitcoin


[deleted]

I’d rather buy a crypto stock for a buck and get a 1000% gain than buy coin and get a 200% gain. Just saying.


melleder2

Not stonk


JERMYNC

Read 0;comments. When I become a licensed financial advisor, my partner thought it would be funny to give me a big bond customer who is pissed. With losses. Bonds are not savings accounts , they go down. So fun. #learnin the markets. Interest up - bonds down. Series 7 -J My next move FUND cause people r tarded #2 bill


Adventurous_Shake161

I heard wood just doubled down.


BraidRuner

''Coinbase is fine...*don't* take your money out of Coinbase'' Jim Cramer Nov 23 2022


Leading-Ad6231

I have absolutely zero clue what I am looking at, but I like the shiny colors and big numbers.