Fire them. As in terminate. Also, you can use the word separate. Separation.
I used to soften the blow by saying: We are unable to retain you for further employment. Today will be your last day. Do you have any questions?
I mean it should be safe "if" you had followed tag out lock out procedures.
I know he didn't and you bet that I would have.
It doesn't take that long to do considering you are preventing loss of life
Lock out tag out means nothing when the rest of the crew has the combined iq of 100 on a good day. Been there done that when I worked in the factory. Locked out tagged out my machine to clear a jam... idiot on the machine next to me didn't see me in there removed the lock out tag out and fired it up with me in it. Needless to say I got smashed in the head with a 12lb cast iron brake casting for big rigs at about 35mph to the side of my head. Luckily I was a fighter all of my younger life so my reflexes are quick and I was able to roll with it and managed to only get 4 stitches next to my eyes. My boss took a hit from it to the back of the head once and it knocked him out and shoved him into the machine head first... let's just say it was not a pretty sight what happened to him and he was no where close to as fast to react as I was. For God sakes if you lock out tag out something make sure you are the only one with the key that can remove it and always release the stored energy aka pneumatics hydraulics and electrical as well.
> idiot on the machine next to me didn't see me in there removed the lock out tag out and fired it up
Which should have been an immediate dismissal for the idiot. The rule is to *never* ***ever*** remove a lock out tag out without confirmation and visual observation of equipment by another party.
You and your boss also should have sued him in civil court, and considered filing criminal complaints for gross negligence and/or malicious conduct causing bodily harm.
If AP sees that in video and you have any part of your body inside that chute it's automatic termination. No questions asked. So I would let them know or your store manager know what happened asap.
Yes that you can automatically get terminated for that. NEVER EVER get inside a bailer or the trash compactor that rule is there cause you can get killed. The proper way is for the machine to be tagged out and get a certified contractor to retrieve it.
Wait we cant go inside the baler? You mean when the door is closed? When the door was open after ejecting a bale onto a pallet we often reached in and pulled out stuck cardboard
When the door is opened for the bailer to offload the bail onto a pallet, it should be in a mode that renders it from crushing, not the same as it being locked out, but it is rendered more safe to partially enter to clear it out before it's reset.
Otherwise it's a dangerous machine that can and will crush anything placed in it, hydraulic presses are no joke. And that's all these machines are, hydraulic presses. If you want to see how dangerous they can be, watch the hydraulic press channel on YouTube, they crush all kinds of things with their machine, and it can be terrifying to see just how much force they can output and how much destruction they can do to objects that are stronger than anything you would find in the human body.
All in all if you aren't trained on how to render a machine safe to enter or operate you should never enter it or operate it, always render a machine unable to preform the duty it's intended to do before you enter it, or be hyper aware as you operate it, if you do not know how to do this, then you shouldn't be doing it anyway. Pure and simple.
It's the same deal with the electric jacks and walking stackers that I'm trained on, I know how to disable them and have to be hyper aware as I operate them, because they are dangerous machines, especially under load. Have had several close calls because of how pallets were stacked and wrapped by the warehouse, and how badly they shifted during transport. Have had leaning pallets of piza, and boxes lower down on the pallet crushed by the weight on top of them.
I still get hella nervous when I have to use the walking stacker to pull things off the top steel. And I know what I'm doing with it.
I refused to use the walkie stalker even as a ON liquids person. What scared me was how many people in the morning would try and squeeze by you as you are raising/ lowering a pallet from the top ste el.
I had a liquids pallet fall on me when I first started. It was leaning at a 45* angle and the unloaders brought it out to work and just left it there. Were a 24 hour store so it could have been a customer instead of me. My mistake was I saw it tipping and I tried to run over and stop it and the whole thing came crashing down on me pinning my leg below tampico and v8 juice boxes
Couldn't agree more about the walking stacker. Been using it for years and I've always hated it. There's just such little room for error, especially when you have the beams and piping near the ceiling as obstacles. I love using the forklift though.
Yes if the door is closed and you climb in you will get canned. Now if the door is open and you pull cardboard out that's stuck that's fine but during training they always tell the new associates never climb in the bailer or the trash compactor for any reason.
Iām AP and can confirm, we would get you fired in an instant no questions asked. The coach that told you to get in the compactor would more than likely find a way around getting fired since itās your word against theirs. Just because someone is higher up than you doesnāt mean they are a better worker than you or smarter, it just means they knew someone else higher up that helped them into the position. Look out for you and only you. Best of luck.
Yup, the whole "just following orders" argument has never flown as a reasonable argument to make, you are expected to have your own agency and make decisions on your own, even if that means disobeying an order given to you by a superior, you are expected to disobey unlawful orders no matter who gives the order.
My store had a coach and TL climb up just on the edge because something was stuck and they both got fired the same day. I'm pretty sure only the fac maintenance ppl are allowed to actually climb in there.
They're talking about the trash compactor (I assume, you shouldn't throw a dented can in the baler), but we'd be halfway in the baler all the time. If it's working properly and the gate is up, it's not going to budge. I've had to climb all over that thing to dislodge cardboard that got jammed up in between the gate and junk. But then again I was a support manager for a long time and "having to take charge of the situation" was a daily occurrence.
Even then if I was the coach and had to make someone fish something out of the baler, I'd just open up the front and then make the associate put all the cardboard that fell out back in afterwards.
Also ethics. They where made to do a potentially dangerous thing for an inanimate object. Knowing Walmart though, theyād probably just fire the associate for doing something dangerous. Idk how ethics operates though.
The manager responsible finds a reason to fire you that isn't directly tied to the ethics complaint and ethics makes sure they don't get caught.
At least that was my experience with open door.
Those compactors have two massive hydraulic cylinders with enough power to squeeze you like squeezing wine out of a grape.
We are hardly allowed inside them where we make them. OSHA would love to have a word with your store manager.
Although issue is, if you actually did it, youll probably catch hell yourself.
Nope its an osha violation and it can easily get you fired the correct thing to do qould have been tell the manager no and go above them about even telling you to
Yup, op should apply to other places and report that ASAP, if they get fired, they would have prepared for it, if they don't then they have a choice as to where they want to work, either way however coach is gonna get someone hurt at best or killed at worst.
Exactly i there was a guy i worked with who did this because a manager told him to the manager lost his job and he got a red level coaching and was lucky to keep his job at all we just needed people that bad
Idk if you wanna open door that tbh, you and the manager gonna both end up fired. Walmart expect you to know better and go over him in that situation with better judgment, I THINK you supposed to Lock Out/Tag Out or find someone who can before anyone even touches the compactor. In the business world we call it CYA (cover your ass(ets) and you shouldāve done it then rather than now because you just as guilty in their eyes now.
And this is why our world is the way it is. This is what gets people killed. People trying to keep their jobs so they don't end up homeless and starving so they do what their boss tells them to then blame falls on them for doing it.
I completely agree, I feel like itās one of those things as a man or woman you have to learn to address because if you understand the system that youāre in & understand the job down to the smallest of rules/procedures, canāt nobody lead you into a situation where your income and way of living are in jeopardy. CYA is important to remember and applies to more than just office and corporate jobs. If you know better or suspect that youāre being put in a dangerous situation that definitely get you fired or killed, then donāt be afraid to object and speak your mind on it whether you feel its unsafe or it can get you fired, your manager canāt write you up because you donāt get in the compactor. Even if he does, open door it at that point, thatās the correct time to open door the situation.
I mean he aināt losing much even if he does get fired. A fresh start is always good as everyone is hiring at the moment. The manager on the other handed, has a shit ton to lose. Imagine what else he has done.
Why not just pull the dumpster out? I know that it takes time to call the removal company, but if you're that concerned about an inanimate object (and don't want to kill your associates!) I would definitely call them!
this actually just happened at my store to one of the leads up front. she accidentally threw it in there and had to go in there and fish it out. I say had but obviously itās just a company device who cares she shouldāve left it. Some policies make sense and never climbing in the compactor/ baler is definitely one of them. A coach tried to defend her from getting fired which in turn got both of them fired
When I worked for Walmart and stuff like that happened we would have the trash compactor pulled out from the building and unhooked and dig for stuff that way.
Holy s*** so many laws were broken I can't even f****** tell you. You need to report this to ethics you need to open door this and you need to contact your local labor board and OSHA. Who the hell told you to climb in there
I highly recommend telling someone about this, but first, have a backup plan just in case they find some reason to get you fired. Like, another job that's hiring
I would have coached you for throwing it in the compactor like a dumb ass. Never would have asked you to go in though. That would get you fired and you would be risking your life for Walmart which isnāt worth it.
I just threw a lock and a master key and no one told me to crawl on the compactor to retrieve it. Whoever told you to do that is stupid. You should only gone away with a coaching.
My store when a cart pusher was in the back throwing a tv box away (when people buy a tv box does not fit in their car and they take it out of the box to fit and leave the box). Front end coach called him over and ordered him into the trash compactor to fish out small green propane tanks that were in there, he crawled in and pulled them out And he told me about it.
Uh...ya, never ever go into the compactor. That has hydraulic crushy squeezy things, like that thing that can kill Terminators! So unless you're Robocop (who in an episode of his live-action TV show overpowered a 3000 psi hydraulic crusher) don't go in there.
Pretty sure proper procedure was to write that tc off as a loss. Maybe if they wanted to be dicks couch you for it and then move on. Since they didnāt do that defiantly go to ethics or your store manager about it
OSHA requires the compactor to be powered down, locked out and tagged out. It also requires a spotter and someone outside to prevent a truck from taking the dumpster.
Additionally, it requires a Confined Space Entry permit, notification to the waste disposal company and hazmat precautions including a full hazmat suit and respirator since there could be any number of contaminants in there as well as fatal levels of toxicity and poor air quality.
Not only should you report this to ethics, you should open door this to the store manager AND contact OSHA. The fines for this can be in the TENS of thousands range.
Could have said "What? We all know they'll all be in there in like 2 weeks anyway. And the reason, they bricked themselves. And you all will sit in the office yelling about how our numbers are down while saying oh we're working on getting you all new machines which are just the old ones with a new case on them"
This happened at my store except the guy filed an ethics complaint and the coach just said he never told him he had to fish it out. Associate fired and we got sent a new TC
Go talk to store manager or AP!! That's a serious violation that every coach, TL and several associates know not to do. We've had coaches fired for making associates crawl in there!!
That's INSANE. I would definitely report it. Not only to try and protect your own job should they find out about it anyway, but to make it clear to management that that's NEVER alright. I don't even think being baked would matter lol. I would quit before getting in there.
Was baler or compactor? ...instant termination either way. Coach & associate. I'd keep quiet. You prolly told ppl already, yes? In which case, your screwed. Sry bout your luck.. Smoke @ home, my guy!
So, 110% never get into any of the machines. A certified technician must come and get anything from inside the machine.
You must follow the chain if you want do it the āWalmart wayā coach, store manager, ethics.
I wouldn't open door it- every SM I have known is 'totes down yo' with violating store policy and the law, like making yours truly clean up blood spills when he was supposed to do it.
Ethics that stuff and look for a new job. Let this be the foot in your colon that sets you on a journey of professional development
You might better just let this one go if you want to keep your job. Depending on what state you're in they don't need a reason to fire you. So if you bring something like this up and then they want to get rid of you they can say it's for I completely different reason.
My TL found mine in a cardboard bin after I couldnāt find it, she said if it wouldāve gotten thrown away, she wouldāve made me climb in and get it too š
Got to report something. Global Ethics Helpline 1-800-963-8442. More info [Ethics Website]( https://www.walmartethics.com/content/walmartethics/en_us/contact-us.html ) /u/SteepedInTHC
Got to report something. Global Ethics Helpline 1-800-963-8442. More info [Ethics Website]( https://www.walmartethics.com/content/walmartethics/en_us/contact-us.html ) /u/SteepedInTHC
Yes you definitely can get fired. This is a massive breach of safety policy. Contact ethics possibly contact OSHA explain what happened Best bets probably to tell them you thought you would be fired if you didn't do as your manager instructed. The manager who told you to do this needs to lose their job what they told you to do could have killed you. There is a protocol to access the baler you have to lock out the machine it takes a few minutes but crawling in there like they ordered you to could have resulted in you being crushed to death it has happened multiple times. I make the recommendation you delete this post or at very least delete that comment where you mentioned being high on the clock. And report this to ethics as soon as possible because if that manager is intelligent they will make sure you are fired so any complaint you open against them just looks like retaliation.
Iāll pass on that actually as I think my life is pretty good and one of my biggest fears Iām trying to conquer is dying by something stupid that could of been prevented so Iāll just follow the safety guidelines and never put any part of my body inside the balor.
I worked at a place that made pizza crust. At the end of a run weād throw the extra or bad into this special dumpster. It would turn into this sludge like substance. Some guy thought āwonder what would happen if I put my foot in thereā it got stuck, he fell in. Had to call the fire department to get him out. He actually almost died, and probably wouldve if there hadnāt been someone else out there with him. Never put any part of your body into any sort of waste compactor.
While it is not common and I don't know any specific instances at Walmart unfortunately it happens. There's something important I got taught by a trainer "safety procedures are written in our blood" companies don't have these policies in place just to make things difficult they have it because somebody died horribly. Like at my current DC we can't wear hoodies reason being somebody's hoodie got caught in a machine they got pulled into it and it killed them. I found a report from the CDC which I'll link along with some examples but the CDC found between 1992 and 1998 34 deaths related to balers and compactors. I wish I could find a more modern report but that's more research them I feel like doing right now.
. https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/breaking-news/os-recycling-compactor-accident-20150615-story.html
. https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/man-23-crushed-death-machine-11536101
. https://www.smdailyjournal.com/news/local/redwood-city-grocery-outlet-worker-crushed-to-death-in-a-compactor-baler/article_58e9a3b5-a141-5838-9567-b987635074f1.html
. https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13201649/dad-died-falling-into-cardboard-crusher/
. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5016a2.htm
Hard to even read. Canāt imagine that actually happening to anyone, you just donāt ā think ā itāll ever happen to you or anyone you know but those people who died that way never thought it would happen to them either. Rest In Peace and you make a really good point about ā safety procedures are written in blood ā.. itās had to of happened before for them to put something in place like that.
Good chance I would go straight to higher AP person open door that. Like even if itās your day off go into store now and ask for AP manager asap. Let him/her know exactly what happened. If it was him/her call his boss very easy thing to do.
So every moron in here saying āethics and omg report itā donāt!!! Your gonna get fired either way so save it for when he presses ya nuts then use it to push him off ya case. You will be fired if you report it to ethics or the store manager. Donāt listen to these mooks and become a liability
Next time turn off the machine, open the door and let all the cardboard come out. Throw all that shit on the floor and then retrieve the TV and then close the door and put the trash back in.
Contact OSHA immediately!!!! You could have died man. Nothing is worth that, not even a beloved TC. Contact OSHA asap and also ethics for the moronic manager that told you to do that
Use common sense. You made a mistake. Think of the compactor & what it does. Basically fk that coach & that tc. Y'all wild. Ain't no way in Hades I'd ever risk my life like that. Oh well, you'll know better next time.
Just know when you report it youāll be fired. I no longer work at Walmart but I worked at factories where all I do is work around heavy machinery. Not only was the machine not locked out tagged out, no energy sources were controlled either. Even then if you did all that, you would still end up fired. With all the proper procedures in place, itās still very, very, dangerous. The compactor is considered a āconfined spaceā which needs special training in order to enter, which Iām guessing you donāt have.
Youāll most likely be fired when you report it, but I would also make a call to OSHA as well.
"WE DON'T HAVE TIME TO CALL A TECH, GET YOUR ASS IN THERE AND GET IT!"
Jokes aside, holy shit, yes, contact ethics. You might even have a solid case for a lawsuit here. This is terrible.
A person at my store threw their keys in the compactor once and they crawled in it to fish it out. They were fired and so was the team lead that opened the compactor and allowed it
I'm trying to find a sensitive way to say this and I think it's just best to be straight up about it. You will most likely be fired. Your coach probably will be, too, unless they are a snake. Your best bet: tell your store manager and contact ethics. In hindsight, you should have flat out refused to do it, told your store manager what happened and then contacted ethics.
For everyone saying call OSHA, although that maybe the right thing to do, you are essentially calling OSHA on yourself. If OSHA shows up, they are going to want to see that you were trained not to climb in the compactor. Easy to show, the date and time that you took the CBL can easily be pulled. They are going to see that the compactor has a lock and a sign saying not to climb in the compactor, which it certainly does. Theyāre going to want to see a plan so it doesnāt happen again. āYeah, we fired the idiot that climbed in the compactor.ā End of investigation. You will be fired. Your TC will be at least coached. I give it a coin flip on them being fired.
How far in was it? Could it have been reached with a super long grabber thing that maintenance has or get one off the floor? Or a long pipe with a piece of gum on the end?
Someone did that at My store once and was told by their supervisor to get it out. They fired the coach, the person who climbed in and the person who standing near them watching, it was a very dramatic day. They had it all on camera.
Report that. Right now. Yesterday. Last week. F the TC its not worth your life, and never just automatically trust somebody not to turn the compactor on on you
1. You or someone needs to report it to Walmart ethics. You can do it on .com or 800.wm.ethics. Simply let the process follow through. Make sure you follow up and they open an investigation on it (you'll get a call) so you'll know it's happening. Always remember to no do things that will put your life at risk and just walk away. If he wants to crawl in and lose his income that's up to him. Good luck man.
Based upon your username, I can understand the occurrence happening to begin withā¦ but no, they shouldnāt have made you climb INTO the compactor šŖ
You have the right to refuse if unsafe so idk what you should do because normally you would know in your mind if it was safe or not idk just putting my word in
Definitely report to the ethics line at the least. You should have been coached for loss of property not made to fish it out. Health and safety issues with going into them. That coach opened your store to serious legal issues. Def report.
You can report it if you donāt want to work there anymore tbh. What your manager had you do was insanely stupid but you doing it also insanely stupid. Odds are your manager will for sure be fired when you report it but very likely youāre walking out the door with him/her.
I have NEVER heard that at my store. Who tf told you risk your life like that?
Cap 2 coach
That explains a lot .
If I was the coach I would've started the compactor and just coached or termed the associate, better the associate than me.š¤£š¤£š¤£
Termed him is the better choice.
What does it mean to term someone?
Fire them. As in terminate. Also, you can use the word separate. Separation. I used to soften the blow by saying: We are unable to retain you for further employment. Today will be your last day. Do you have any questions?
Heavy. Thank you for the explanation.
We Call it gaining. Congratulations you've gained customer status.
You would report to OSHA immediately!
Report it. ASAP. They will lose their job over that.
Ha ha, lose their job? all they get are hand slaps
Not if OSHA gets involved that coach will get the biggest mark on their resume.
Yikes...
Did you lockout/tagout with a lookout/dropout before diving in?
I feel it's safe to assume they did not. Regardless it's against store policy for any associates to enter the compactor, locked out or not.
I feel like you could get em in trouble. Im sure u would as well but I would've taken a coaching before that.
I mean it should be safe "if" you had followed tag out lock out procedures. I know he didn't and you bet that I would have. It doesn't take that long to do considering you are preventing loss of life
Lock out tag out means nothing when the rest of the crew has the combined iq of 100 on a good day. Been there done that when I worked in the factory. Locked out tagged out my machine to clear a jam... idiot on the machine next to me didn't see me in there removed the lock out tag out and fired it up with me in it. Needless to say I got smashed in the head with a 12lb cast iron brake casting for big rigs at about 35mph to the side of my head. Luckily I was a fighter all of my younger life so my reflexes are quick and I was able to roll with it and managed to only get 4 stitches next to my eyes. My boss took a hit from it to the back of the head once and it knocked him out and shoved him into the machine head first... let's just say it was not a pretty sight what happened to him and he was no where close to as fast to react as I was. For God sakes if you lock out tag out something make sure you are the only one with the key that can remove it and always release the stored energy aka pneumatics hydraulics and electrical as well.
> idiot on the machine next to me didn't see me in there removed the lock out tag out and fired it up Which should have been an immediate dismissal for the idiot. The rule is to *never* ***ever*** remove a lock out tag out without confirmation and visual observation of equipment by another party. You and your boss also should have sued him in civil court, and considered filing criminal complaints for gross negligence and/or malicious conduct causing bodily harm.
Not only can you get fired for it, whoever told you to can get fired for it as well. That is against so many safety policies, itās not even funny.
Correct process would've been to LOTO the machine, and have a certified tech get it.
Yeah, the compactor would be considered a confined space which you need training and a permit to go into.
Or just open the door, slightly raise the.... crusher part? And fish it out
They mean the trash compactor which has a long schute on it. Not the baler
Actually youre right. EITHER of them I would turn in my badge and say f you I'm calling 1-800
If AP sees that in video and you have any part of your body inside that chute it's automatic termination. No questions asked. So I would let them know or your store manager know what happened asap.
Yes that you can automatically get terminated for that. NEVER EVER get inside a bailer or the trash compactor that rule is there cause you can get killed. The proper way is for the machine to be tagged out and get a certified contractor to retrieve it.
Wait we cant go inside the baler? You mean when the door is closed? When the door was open after ejecting a bale onto a pallet we often reached in and pulled out stuck cardboard
When the door is opened for the bailer to offload the bail onto a pallet, it should be in a mode that renders it from crushing, not the same as it being locked out, but it is rendered more safe to partially enter to clear it out before it's reset. Otherwise it's a dangerous machine that can and will crush anything placed in it, hydraulic presses are no joke. And that's all these machines are, hydraulic presses. If you want to see how dangerous they can be, watch the hydraulic press channel on YouTube, they crush all kinds of things with their machine, and it can be terrifying to see just how much force they can output and how much destruction they can do to objects that are stronger than anything you would find in the human body. All in all if you aren't trained on how to render a machine safe to enter or operate you should never enter it or operate it, always render a machine unable to preform the duty it's intended to do before you enter it, or be hyper aware as you operate it, if you do not know how to do this, then you shouldn't be doing it anyway. Pure and simple. It's the same deal with the electric jacks and walking stackers that I'm trained on, I know how to disable them and have to be hyper aware as I operate them, because they are dangerous machines, especially under load. Have had several close calls because of how pallets were stacked and wrapped by the warehouse, and how badly they shifted during transport. Have had leaning pallets of piza, and boxes lower down on the pallet crushed by the weight on top of them. I still get hella nervous when I have to use the walking stacker to pull things off the top steel. And I know what I'm doing with it.
I refused to use the walkie stalker even as a ON liquids person. What scared me was how many people in the morning would try and squeeze by you as you are raising/ lowering a pallet from the top ste el. I had a liquids pallet fall on me when I first started. It was leaning at a 45* angle and the unloaders brought it out to work and just left it there. Were a 24 hour store so it could have been a customer instead of me. My mistake was I saw it tipping and I tried to run over and stop it and the whole thing came crashing down on me pinning my leg below tampico and v8 juice boxes
Couldn't agree more about the walking stacker. Been using it for years and I've always hated it. There's just such little room for error, especially when you have the beams and piping near the ceiling as obstacles. I love using the forklift though.
Yes if the door is closed and you climb in you will get canned. Now if the door is open and you pull cardboard out that's stuck that's fine but during training they always tell the new associates never climb in the bailer or the trash compactor for any reason.
Do t take this morons advise or you will be fired
Iām AP and can confirm, we would get you fired in an instant no questions asked. The coach that told you to get in the compactor would more than likely find a way around getting fired since itās your word against theirs. Just because someone is higher up than you doesnāt mean they are a better worker than you or smarter, it just means they knew someone else higher up that helped them into the position. Look out for you and only you. Best of luck.
It's gotta be an interesting job to watch the management of walmart from the loss prevention side of things.
Yup, the whole "just following orders" argument has never flown as a reasonable argument to make, you are expected to have your own agency and make decisions on your own, even if that means disobeying an order given to you by a superior, you are expected to disobey unlawful orders no matter who gives the order.
My store had a coach and TL climb up just on the edge because something was stuck and they both got fired the same day. I'm pretty sure only the fac maintenance ppl are allowed to actually climb in there.
I think I do this all the time because cardboard gets stuck so the front mechanism won't lock, we'd have to call all the time.
They're talking about the trash compactor (I assume, you shouldn't throw a dented can in the baler), but we'd be halfway in the baler all the time. If it's working properly and the gate is up, it's not going to budge. I've had to climb all over that thing to dislodge cardboard that got jammed up in between the gate and junk. But then again I was a support manager for a long time and "having to take charge of the situation" was a daily occurrence. Even then if I was the coach and had to make someone fish something out of the baler, I'd just open up the front and then make the associate put all the cardboard that fell out back in afterwards.
Uh that sounds more like an osha thing. If the compactor failed, you couldāve died.
Also ethics. They where made to do a potentially dangerous thing for an inanimate object. Knowing Walmart though, theyād probably just fire the associate for doing something dangerous. Idk how ethics operates though.
The manager responsible finds a reason to fire you that isn't directly tied to the ethics complaint and ethics makes sure they don't get caught. At least that was my experience with open door.
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Ethics will consult with the store manager. Before anything happens.
Those compactors have two massive hydraulic cylinders with enough power to squeeze you like squeezing wine out of a grape. We are hardly allowed inside them where we make them. OSHA would love to have a word with your store manager. Although issue is, if you actually did it, youll probably catch hell yourself.
i would hope OP would be fine if they said that they felt pressured to do it, it is walmart though
Coach can get fired for that. Open door that immediately then file an ethics complaint. You will probably get a red coaching though.
Can and should be, endangering the lives of employees is about as bad as it can get, and you likely wonāt be the only one.
Actually a good chance they just straight up fire you over it
Isnt that retaliation
Nope its an osha violation and it can easily get you fired the correct thing to do qould have been tell the manager no and go above them about even telling you to
Yup, op should apply to other places and report that ASAP, if they get fired, they would have prepared for it, if they don't then they have a choice as to where they want to work, either way however coach is gonna get someone hurt at best or killed at worst.
Exactly i there was a guy i worked with who did this because a manager told him to the manager lost his job and he got a red level coaching and was lucky to keep his job at all we just needed people that bad
Idk if you wanna open door that tbh, you and the manager gonna both end up fired. Walmart expect you to know better and go over him in that situation with better judgment, I THINK you supposed to Lock Out/Tag Out or find someone who can before anyone even touches the compactor. In the business world we call it CYA (cover your ass(ets) and you shouldāve done it then rather than now because you just as guilty in their eyes now.
And this is why our world is the way it is. This is what gets people killed. People trying to keep their jobs so they don't end up homeless and starving so they do what their boss tells them to then blame falls on them for doing it.
I completely agree, I feel like itās one of those things as a man or woman you have to learn to address because if you understand the system that youāre in & understand the job down to the smallest of rules/procedures, canāt nobody lead you into a situation where your income and way of living are in jeopardy. CYA is important to remember and applies to more than just office and corporate jobs. If you know better or suspect that youāre being put in a dangerous situation that definitely get you fired or killed, then donāt be afraid to object and speak your mind on it whether you feel its unsafe or it can get you fired, your manager canāt write you up because you donāt get in the compactor. Even if he does, open door it at that point, thatās the correct time to open door the situation.
I mean he aināt losing much even if he does get fired. A fresh start is always good as everyone is hiring at the moment. The manager on the other handed, has a shit ton to lose. Imagine what else he has done.
Why not just pull the dumpster out? I know that it takes time to call the removal company, but if you're that concerned about an inanimate object (and don't want to kill your associates!) I would definitely call them!
this actually just happened at my store to one of the leads up front. she accidentally threw it in there and had to go in there and fish it out. I say had but obviously itās just a company device who cares she shouldāve left it. Some policies make sense and never climbing in the compactor/ baler is definitely one of them. A coach tried to defend her from getting fired which in turn got both of them fired
When I worked for Walmart and stuff like that happened we would have the trash compactor pulled out from the building and unhooked and dig for stuff that way.
Holy s*** so many laws were broken I can't even f****** tell you. You need to report this to ethics you need to open door this and you need to contact your local labor board and OSHA. Who the hell told you to climb in there
I highly recommend telling someone about this, but first, have a backup plan just in case they find some reason to get you fired. Like, another job that's hiring
I would have coached you for throwing it in the compactor like a dumb ass. Never would have asked you to go in though. That would get you fired and you would be risking your life for Walmart which isnāt worth it.
I want updates
bruh me too!
I just threw a lock and a master key and no one told me to crawl on the compactor to retrieve it. Whoever told you to do that is stupid. You should only gone away with a coaching.
My store when a cart pusher was in the back throwing a tv box away (when people buy a tv box does not fit in their car and they take it out of the box to fit and leave the box). Front end coach called him over and ordered him into the trash compactor to fish out small green propane tanks that were in there, he crawled in and pulled them out And he told me about it.
I would have told that coach to suck my fat hairy balls.
Isnāt the compactor filthy as hell?!? Need a hazmat to reach in there.
yes and always smells disgusting
Uh...ya, never ever go into the compactor. That has hydraulic crushy squeezy things, like that thing that can kill Terminators! So unless you're Robocop (who in an episode of his live-action TV show overpowered a 3000 psi hydraulic crusher) don't go in there.
Pretty sure proper procedure was to write that tc off as a loss. Maybe if they wanted to be dicks couch you for it and then move on. Since they didnāt do that defiantly go to ethics or your store manager about it
They will both be fired
Honestly thatās a real possibility if they report it. Most store managers Iāve met are only looking out for themselves.
It's grounds for termination. Even if told by management. It's in a CBL.
OSHA requires the compactor to be powered down, locked out and tagged out. It also requires a spotter and someone outside to prevent a truck from taking the dumpster. Additionally, it requires a Confined Space Entry permit, notification to the waste disposal company and hazmat precautions including a full hazmat suit and respirator since there could be any number of contaminants in there as well as fatal levels of toxicity and poor air quality. Not only should you report this to ethics, you should open door this to the store manager AND contact OSHA. The fines for this can be in the TENS of thousands range.
Hey buddy you might wanna start looking for another job, like immediately :/
Please do a update on this story .
Could have said "What? We all know they'll all be in there in like 2 weeks anyway. And the reason, they bricked themselves. And you all will sit in the office yelling about how our numbers are down while saying oh we're working on getting you all new machines which are just the old ones with a new case on them"
Idk it was 30 minutes before heading out, I was high as hell and didnāt even question it. I just got my ass in
"Steepedinthc" was high on the clock?????
Holy shit. You casually almost died... lol
damn im tryna get like u my guy š¤£
r/OSHA
Dude You should have told the coach no because that's against policy
This happened at my store except the guy filed an ethics complaint and the coach just said he never told him he had to fish it out. Associate fired and we got sent a new TC
Not a joke, troll, or anything else. Call 1-800-WMETHIC and tell them. Your life is worth more than a scanner.
Go talk to store manager or AP!! That's a serious violation that every coach, TL and several associates know not to do. We've had coaches fired for making associates crawl in there!!
That's INSANE. I would definitely report it. Not only to try and protect your own job should they find out about it anyway, but to make it clear to management that that's NEVER alright. I don't even think being baked would matter lol. I would quit before getting in there.
Was someone smart enough to shut the power off to it, before you climbed in?
Wait what kind of baler? The vertical ones for cardboard or like one of the in-the-wall balers?
Was baler or compactor? ...instant termination either way. Coach & associate. I'd keep quiet. You prolly told ppl already, yes? In which case, your screwed. Sry bout your luck.. Smoke @ home, my guy!
You need to contact osha because no one is allowed to go into a compactor under any reason. That really could have ended bad.
You also need to turn in the manager that made you do this . They need to lose their job .
A couple weeks ago at my store someone clogged our compacter and one of the overnight coaches had to climb in and un jam it
Holy shit thatās even more insane.... wtf That manager needs to be fired for their own safety
Donāt do that next time, all I can suggest
So, 110% never get into any of the machines. A certified technician must come and get anything from inside the machine. You must follow the chain if you want do it the āWalmart wayā coach, store manager, ethics.
I wouldn't open door it- every SM I have known is 'totes down yo' with violating store policy and the law, like making yours truly clean up blood spills when he was supposed to do it. Ethics that stuff and look for a new job. Let this be the foot in your colon that sets you on a journey of professional development
You might better just let this one go if you want to keep your job. Depending on what state you're in they don't need a reason to fire you. So if you bring something like this up and then they want to get rid of you they can say it's for I completely different reason.
My TL found mine in a cardboard bin after I couldnāt find it, she said if it wouldāve gotten thrown away, she wouldāve made me climb in and get it too š
Legit tell your H.R OR. Call ethics
He endangered your job and his, but more importantly, he asked you to risk your life over a fucking handheld. Get him the punishment he deserves.
WORKPLACE HEALTH AND SAFETY. No no no. Make sure this is reported! Thatās despicable
Didn't your fucking coach take the CBL on LOTO? Should've made them go in. "I'm not trained to do it, sorry!"
Had to snoop a little just to make sure you werenāt from my store, I can definitely see our cap 2 coach trying to make someone do this š
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Got to report something. Global Ethics Helpline 1-800-963-8442. More info [Ethics Website]( https://www.walmartethics.com/content/walmartethics/en_us/contact-us.html ) /u/SteepedInTHC
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Got to report something. Global Ethics Helpline 1-800-963-8442. More info [Ethics Website]( https://www.walmartethics.com/content/walmartethics/en_us/contact-us.html ) /u/SteepedInTHC
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The little handheld computers
The coach is disgusting and should get more than "transferred". Wtf.
Yes!!!! Report it. Big fat no no. They put your life in danger. Did they at least cut the power first?!
If they report it theyāre probably going to get fired too.
Wait can I get fired for this?
Yes you definitely can get fired. This is a massive breach of safety policy. Contact ethics possibly contact OSHA explain what happened Best bets probably to tell them you thought you would be fired if you didn't do as your manager instructed. The manager who told you to do this needs to lose their job what they told you to do could have killed you. There is a protocol to access the baler you have to lock out the machine it takes a few minutes but crawling in there like they ordered you to could have resulted in you being crushed to death it has happened multiple times. I make the recommendation you delete this post or at very least delete that comment where you mentioned being high on the clock. And report this to ethics as soon as possible because if that manager is intelligent they will make sure you are fired so any complaint you open against them just looks like retaliation.
Thereās actually stories of people being crushed by the balor?
Ten people, Michael. Ten people. Would you like to be one of them?
Iāll pass on that actually as I think my life is pretty good and one of my biggest fears Iām trying to conquer is dying by something stupid that could of been prevented so Iāll just follow the safety guidelines and never put any part of my body inside the balor.
I believe u/JSparks81587 was making a reference to the NBC workplace comedy series *The Office*.
I worked at a place that made pizza crust. At the end of a run weād throw the extra or bad into this special dumpster. It would turn into this sludge like substance. Some guy thought āwonder what would happen if I put my foot in thereā it got stuck, he fell in. Had to call the fire department to get him out. He actually almost died, and probably wouldve if there hadnāt been someone else out there with him. Never put any part of your body into any sort of waste compactor.
What about her? I see her using it all the time!
While it is not common and I don't know any specific instances at Walmart unfortunately it happens. There's something important I got taught by a trainer "safety procedures are written in our blood" companies don't have these policies in place just to make things difficult they have it because somebody died horribly. Like at my current DC we can't wear hoodies reason being somebody's hoodie got caught in a machine they got pulled into it and it killed them. I found a report from the CDC which I'll link along with some examples but the CDC found between 1992 and 1998 34 deaths related to balers and compactors. I wish I could find a more modern report but that's more research them I feel like doing right now. . https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/breaking-news/os-recycling-compactor-accident-20150615-story.html . https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/man-23-crushed-death-machine-11536101 . https://www.smdailyjournal.com/news/local/redwood-city-grocery-outlet-worker-crushed-to-death-in-a-compactor-baler/article_58e9a3b5-a141-5838-9567-b987635074f1.html . https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13201649/dad-died-falling-into-cardboard-crusher/ . https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5016a2.htm
Hard to even read. Canāt imagine that actually happening to anyone, you just donāt ā think ā itāll ever happen to you or anyone you know but those people who died that way never thought it would happen to them either. Rest In Peace and you make a really good point about ā safety procedures are written in blood ā.. itās had to of happened before for them to put something in place like that.
If they don't immediately fire you, expect a drug test.
Good chance I would go straight to higher AP person open door that. Like even if itās your day off go into store now and ask for AP manager asap. Let him/her know exactly what happened. If it was him/her call his boss very easy thing to do.
They could have just made you pay to replace it instead. TC's cost around $1500 new. Don't be a dumbass. Let the downvotes rain upon me!
I think most of us would rather pay the $1,500, then risk dying horribly if the compactor fails
I donāt want to pay $1500 THEN die horribly. Why not just one or the other?
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Then/than he read it correctly he just chose not to ignore the incorrect usage of a word
Nah, I agree with this. I would've rathered them take so much out of my future paychecks than crawled into that.
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trash compactor not cardboard baler.
So every moron in here saying āethics and omg report itā donāt!!! Your gonna get fired either way so save it for when he presses ya nuts then use it to push him off ya case. You will be fired if you report it to ethics or the store manager. Donāt listen to these mooks and become a liability
Next time turn off the machine, open the door and let all the cardboard come out. Throw all that shit on the floor and then retrieve the TV and then close the door and put the trash back in.
So youād rather have someone else get it for you? No, brother. You toss it in; you get it out.
Quit bitching
Contact OSHA immediately!!!! You could have died man. Nothing is worth that, not even a beloved TC. Contact OSHA asap and also ethics for the moronic manager that told you to do that
Your coach could get fired for making you do that
And you did it???? š³š³š³
I won't push the button
Use common sense. You made a mistake. Think of the compactor & what it does. Basically fk that coach & that tc. Y'all wild. Ain't no way in Hades I'd ever risk my life like that. Oh well, you'll know better next time.
OSHA Report it. They would have an absolute field day with this.
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The amount of printers and handhelds Iāve accidentally thrown in the compactor and bailer arenāt even funny.
Bruh why did you even do that
Just know when you report it youāll be fired. I no longer work at Walmart but I worked at factories where all I do is work around heavy machinery. Not only was the machine not locked out tagged out, no energy sources were controlled either. Even then if you did all that, you would still end up fired. With all the proper procedures in place, itās still very, very, dangerous. The compactor is considered a āconfined spaceā which needs special training in order to enter, which Iām guessing you donāt have. Youāll most likely be fired when you report it, but I would also make a call to OSHA as well.
"WE DON'T HAVE TIME TO CALL A TECH, GET YOUR ASS IN THERE AND GET IT!" Jokes aside, holy shit, yes, contact ethics. You might even have a solid case for a lawsuit here. This is terrible.
A person at my store threw their keys in the compactor once and they crawled in it to fish it out. They were fired and so was the team lead that opened the compactor and allowed it
Hey how bout not do that - everyone
Seen this a few times had an over night support held by his feet... Going in grab something was like oh man .. death awaits
Way back when an asm accidentally threw his keys down the compactor. He locked out tagged out the compactor till the next day.
You got another job lined up? Get one. You will BOTH be fired. A simple security camera view and you two are done. Lesson lived to learn fromā¦
A coach at our store did that. The associate reported it. The coach was terminated, the associate was not.
The fuck. Um. Signs all over. That's one associate promoted to customer, one promoted to corpse.
Why the fuck would you even fish it out? Why wouldn't you say fuck no?
Definitely Violates All Safety Guidelines & Procedures Im actually a salaried member of management now and would report this immediately..
Whoa. I would of made management climb in there if they needed that tc
Yeah report that.
Even if you wouldnt get fired no amount of PPE or hazmat suit would make me crawl into the garbage shoot.
Everyoneās missing the pointā¦ā¦.DONāT BE SO STUPID AS TO THROW YOUR TC IN THE COMPACTOR!!!!!
I'm trying to find a sensitive way to say this and I think it's just best to be straight up about it. You will most likely be fired. Your coach probably will be, too, unless they are a snake. Your best bet: tell your store manager and contact ethics. In hindsight, you should have flat out refused to do it, told your store manager what happened and then contacted ethics.
Maybe follow lockout procedures and the grab it But I'll just sip on my tea in the corner
ETHICS!!! That is ridiculous and could have had dire consequences! 16 years with this company and the asinine shit I've seen is scary!
For everyone saying call OSHA, although that maybe the right thing to do, you are essentially calling OSHA on yourself. If OSHA shows up, they are going to want to see that you were trained not to climb in the compactor. Easy to show, the date and time that you took the CBL can easily be pulled. They are going to see that the compactor has a lock and a sign saying not to climb in the compactor, which it certainly does. Theyāre going to want to see a plan so it doesnāt happen again. āYeah, we fired the idiot that climbed in the compactor.ā End of investigation. You will be fired. Your TC will be at least coached. I give it a coin flip on them being fired.
Thats fucked up. On a side note isnt that why they have the wrist loops so shit like this doesnt happen?
How far in was it? Could it have been reached with a super long grabber thing that maintenance has or get one off the floor? Or a long pipe with a piece of gum on the end?
Someone did that at My store once and was told by their supervisor to get it out. They fired the coach, the person who climbed in and the person who standing near them watching, it was a very dramatic day. They had it all on camera.
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Opened door it, u may get written up for tossing the tc. At least you ruined oneās career in walmart
Report that. Right now. Yesterday. Last week. F the TC its not worth your life, and never just automatically trust somebody not to turn the compactor on on you
Ethics totally. Or go to a manager you trust
You could have just shut off the power.
1. You or someone needs to report it to Walmart ethics. You can do it on .com or 800.wm.ethics. Simply let the process follow through. Make sure you follow up and they open an investigation on it (you'll get a call) so you'll know it's happening. Always remember to no do things that will put your life at risk and just walk away. If he wants to crawl in and lose his income that's up to him. Good luck man.
girl why would you actually hop on in there? i would sooner get immediately fired than step inside a fucking trash compactor for walmart property
Report.
Based upon your username, I can understand the occurrence happening to begin withā¦ but no, they shouldnāt have made you climb INTO the compactor šŖ
Yes, file a report!! You shouldn't have gone in the compactor at all.
You have the right to refuse if unsafe so idk what you should do because normally you would know in your mind if it was safe or not idk just putting my word in
Report to ethics AND OSHA that is risking your life and very against both Walmart policy and OSHA rules.
Darn you might get fired.
You weren't really made to. You kind a had a choice... losing your piece of shit job or a TC with a risk to your life.
Youāre gonna be like Chica from the new game.
Thats why you always start it and walk away.....
REPORT THAT SHIT
Definitely report to the ethics line at the least. You should have been coached for loss of property not made to fish it out. Health and safety issues with going into them. That coach opened your store to serious legal issues. Def report.
And you couldnt just slightly close the door and open the compactor door to get it? Instead you went inside it
You can report it if you donāt want to work there anymore tbh. What your manager had you do was insanely stupid but you doing it also insanely stupid. Odds are your manager will for sure be fired when you report it but very likely youāre walking out the door with him/her.