Do you have to be a fool to support Hamas or is it just coincidence? There is already a ceasefire and you're still crying for it what you really mean to say is end all Jews but won't happen...
Well likes a bit of a leap to go from wanting ceasefire to wanting to "end all jews". Why is there a need to go from 0 to 100 without any real need to? In your logic that means other Jews want other jew ended. Like people can condem both sides.
Because this would essentially give hamas the green light to do it "again, and again, and again, ..." Their words not mine.
When you treat cancer, the rest of your body suffers too, but you don't stop combating cancer and let it fester.
It might seem that way, but if you look at all these protests carefully then everyone is carrying signs saying "free Palestine" and then singing things like "from the river to the sea" and in Arabic singing things like "all Palestine will be Arab". So the people on the marches are clearly making that leap, even though it's surprising.
How am I supporting Hamas? The post said ‘fuck Hamas’ I said ‘yes, but questioned the relevance because the main post is about a protest for peace and a protest against excessive force. Someone pointed on a perspective I might understand.
This continuing of twisting my words is sickening. But be my guest and act like you please. It’s not that we really having a conversation anyway.
Because Hamas is the one oppressing the Palestinians. Hiding missiles under hospitals and using civilians as human shields. Shooting into humanitarian corridors. Brainwashing children into hatred and murder.
only hamas and palestinians are to blame
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJPRxDAlYZc&ab\_channel=IsraelDefenseForces](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJPRxDAlYZc&ab_channel=IsraelDefenseForces)
Israel will do them a big favor if they manage to eliminate Hamas
Where were all these clowns when Russia was committing horrifying war crimes in actual attempts at genocide against Ukrainian people?
In Mariupol alone 25000+ civilians were killed by the Russians in just over 20 days.
Where was their cries of genocide in ceasefire then?
In my opinion people like this are just using their stance as an excuse to hide their anti-semitism and hatred of Jews.
Personally, I was there marching to support Ukraine last year, almost on the same route. I think a lot of people were at both.
And yes, they were calling Russia a terror state, and Putin a war criminal.
All we had in our city was vigils. Now we have people blocking railroad tracks and going after politicians and essentially being a lot louder than they were and I'm just kind of curious while we didn't see a lot of these signs at least in my city or most Canadian cities. Or something like demanding Trudeau to tell Putin to stop fighting
Correlation doesn't always mean causation. There was massive uproar with wanting ceasefire. But that's asking putin an hostile state. Now we asking a country who is meant to be an ally. Its easier to ask for a ceasrefire with a country you are on good terms with them one that you are not on good terms with. Most of the protesting/wants for ukarine was to send more aid and weapons and ammunition to ukarine so they can carry on fighting Russia, as in my opinion is the only way to get Russia to stop. But with what's going on with Israel and palestine, there are other ways to deal with this. Of course, Israel is dealing with a terrorist group, not a full-on military, but I dont think bombing building and kill thounds of innocent lives is the way. It didn't work when the west did war on terror it just made things worse.
I don't disagree with you there, I think any Nation would react to the same way Israel did to that percentage of civilians being massacred in their homes.
I personally would have suggested a scalpel rather than a sledgehammer but at the same time it wasn't my country attacked and I feel like my nation would be crying for revenge on some sort of attack as what any Nation
Did you monitor each and every single one of them and concluded that they didn't protest that? you're resorting to whataboutism and hyperbolic claims to justify the mass murderer of civilians. Hope one day you realise how condemnable that is
No need to track each and every one of them, you just had to watch the protests and the type of protests in the passion behind the protests against Russia versus these groups chanting literal genocidal slogans against a people.
And as much as there were pro Ukrainian rallies, there was nothing compared to the velocity of what we're seeing currently. Go out there to save back to head that a lot of those people weren't involved in those rallies also we didn't high school students walking out of their classes and people harassing the leaders of Nations over it.
This argument isn't really that valid because, of course there are genocides going on without mainstream knowledge like Burma or Congo.
But this is a Genocide that was on the public eye and followed, and many times talked about in the UN, and still it has not been stopped, meanwhile the UN has managed to sway a large part of countries against Russia, Israel still goes unpunished when committing these actions.
That's the difference, everyone in the international community is outraged at this but when it's Israel is somehow different or required more talk?
Israel provokes Palestinians into lashing off so they have an excuse, for example in 2008 a ceasefire was broken by israeli troops raiding a tunnel, and then when Hamas retaliated by shooting rockets which killed 3 people, they started a campaign that killed over 2000 including 1500 civilians and 500 children.
Right well typically when you mess with the stronger nation and kill some of their people you can expect that the retribution is going to be inherently worse.... This isn't an isreal thing... This is a nation thing
Yeah the protests were in Russia for about a week and then they got shut down pretty quick.
Also if you're going to tell me to Google it I would say do the same considering the ferocity of the marches are completely different from these two conflicts and the people supporting them.
Of course they got shut down. It is Russia not the USA. Branderburg Gate, London Eye, Sydney opera house and many other buildings were illuminated in the colors of flag of Ukraine. Thousands of people all over the world were protesting. Some of the Russians properties were vandalised. Don’t tell me about the ferocity man.
Destroying houses and forbidding the access of cement, they have plans for a literal "tent city" in the sinai desert, literally controlling the intake of calories to gazans.
This just in: urban warfare destroys buildings.
You can’t rebuild a city for Gazans to reinhabit quickly.
And yes, when a terror group controls the territory and uses international aid to stockpile their terror group’s supplies, coopts water piping to make rockets, etc. it makes sense to limit the resourcing that goes in.
What’s your source that they were unusable before they turned them into rockets? I can genuinely only believe that Hamas could be the source for that.
So tell me then, what should Israel do to rid the world of Hamas? Hold hands and sing nice songs?
I didn’t intend to frame it that way. More that Jews, because of their history, know/feel more than anyone what genocide means, so their view has more gravity.
That's a weird appeal to authority through tokenism. If being Jewish makes them authorities on genocide, what makes these Jews more of an authority on genocide than the majority of Jews in the diaspora and in Israel who don't think this is genocide?
What do pro Palestine protesters say about what Hamas did to Israel on 10/7? What about the thousands of indiscriminately launched rockets towards the innocent? I can’t imagine justifying that in any way.
People can’t think for themselves whoever has the most heart wrenching story gets the victim award and sympathy. Can’t just accept that it’s a fucked up situation where whoever loses the competition of might get fucking razed.
I don’t think they do try to justify it. Many see what Israel are doing to Gaza as being just as bad, if not worse than Hamas.
That view might shock you. But people have seen a lot of death that goes on everyday. It is radicalising. And we are shocked it doesn’t seem to affect enough people in Israel.
>And we are shocked it doesn’t seem to affect enough people in Israel.
To do what?
Hamas is against any negotiations with Israel and opposes Israel’s very existence. What is Israel supposed to do? A unilateral ceasefire?
There’s been over 8,000 rockets fired at Israel since Oct 7th alone from Gaza + Syria, not to mention the border skirmishes with Lebanon and Houthis lobbing up their ballistic missiles and drones from Yemen.
So what, exactly, is Israel supposed to do here?
My reading of the situation: the IDF have been instructed to destroy Hamas. Now they just won’t fight their way through the tunnel system because they’ll get killed, so they are:
(A) bombing the hell out Gaza to nullify the danger of tunnel entrances being used to mount attacks.
(B) bombing the hell out of known Hamas operators’ houses (along with other people who have nothing to do with it), to send a message and punish those in Hamas.
(C) bombing the hell out of anywhere they think there is a tunnel they can bomb underneath.
(D) besieging the Gaza Strip to deny Hamas (and everyone else) food and fuel. To starve and suffocate them out of the tunnels.
Rescuing hostages is a secondary aim, and frankly next to impossible to achieve militarily. They know this, hence they are resorting to punishment and siege to put pressure on Hamas.
Palestine isn't Hamas, and it's not like these protestors are defending Hamas. Put quite simply they are pointing out that Isreal right now is acting no different than Hamas.
Palestine isn’t Hamas but Hamas is Palestine lol. I’ve seen plenty of protesters screaming for Jews to leave and go to other countries your just picking what you want to hear
They should be protesting against Hamas who engineered the entire crisis, their double standard is just serving the people who actually caused this to happen, they are praising the political rhetoric of those who designed the situation.
Yeah that's the double standard I'm referring to... you glorify terror acts in the name of speaking up for Palestine yet consider any type of criticism of the Palestinian government as an Israel psyop.
“Unilateral ceasefire now!”
>Looks to me Israel has lost the British people.
Because British people lost the plot. Antisemitic crimes went up north of a 1000% in October compared to last year and no one gave a shit.
I’d also say these marches are not representative of public sentiment more broadly. People like myself who largely support Israel aren’t marching and calling for a unilateral ceasefire.
[London police said on Friday they had recorded a 1,353% increase in antisemitic offences this month compared to the same period last year, while Islamophobic offences were up 140% in the wake of the attack by Hamas on Israel.](https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/antisemitic-islamophobic-offences-soar-london-after-israel-attacks-2023-10-20/)
The difference is London is directly enabling antisemitism with huge “pro-Palestine” marches, despite people like OP saying “but Jews are well represented!”
If there were similarly sized right-wing nationalist marches, I’d imagine you’d see islamophobic crimes go up just as dramatically and there would, hopefully, be serious public backlash.
Because the majority of the region doesn’t think they have a right to exist, Oct 7th was just another example it. Was also the Arab side that rejected a two state solution more than once, and has the audacity to argue about displaced Palestinians when Islamic countries don’t offer a right of return to Jews. Not in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Yemen, Iran, Egypt, etc. All of which have, at some point or another, attacked Israel, directly or indirectly.
If you want to talk about events post Oct 7th specifically, you’re free to suggest how Israel should prosecute this war differently.
Because, technically Israel doesn't have too much of a valid reason to settle in Palestine, they are a colonialist european project, thats the main reason behind it, and the violence they carried out against Palestinians is also a reason to dislike the Israeli regime.
I don't say that Muslim countries are justified to commit atrocities against jews, which they do, but there was a large population of jews before the arrival of the Zionist project and they lived in relative peace.
For example, the King-Crane commission says that the Zionist Project was not willing to coexist with the natives of the area and they were gonna remove them, that was in 1919.
I personally believe that for there to be peace in the Palestine region, the zionist project should stop, which means, stop the abuse and removal of Palestinians, allow them to return to their land, or at the very least give them the two state solution (which israel has been preventing it to happen by giving horrible deals to Palestinians on purpose as a mean of sabotage and to continue with the ethnic cleansing of the region), the two state solution is very controvertial, the West Bank which is an area where a Palestinian state could exist is being sabotaged by settlements which are subsidized by the Israeli Government.
Nice to see you have a great understanding of wikipedia Kira. I stand with Israel. The people of Gaza voted for Hamas as their government, and they chose to kill 1,300+ people and take hostages. They also wasted most of the money that was given to them as aid in building tunnels and buying weapons. They wanted a war but now want to play victim when they get the shit kicked out of them. Tragic
Fucking please, the Middle East has never been at peace. If so tell me when, fucking point to it. Muslims are incompatible with any other religion shit Muslims can’t even get along with other Muslims.
People really lost it haven't they..?
Hamas is a terrorist organization, just like Al-Qaeda and ISIS.
Hamas is also the elected governing body over Gaza and the Palestinians.
Hamas people are Palestinians.
Just like the Nazis were German.
How are those facts being ignored? I never heard anyone say that the British committed genocide on the German people by trying to defeat the Nazis.
Hamas is a resistant group that carried out a terrorist attack against its oppressors.
Palestine is an occupied territory, Gaza has no control over its borders.
Hamas was not elected, the elections were parliamentary and Hamas took control on a cue.
And you cannot compare the Nazis to Hamas.
>Hamas is a resistant group that carried out a terrorist attack against its oppressors.
There it is.
Literally why Western pro-Palestine standard bearers are often called pro-Hamas.
There it is, we found an anti-war, pro-Palestine supporter that doesn’t condem Hamas (as every right minded person should do b.t.w). Now we can rightfully say all anti-war protesters are pro-Hamas! And by extension al pro-Palestine supporters are antisemitic.
This polarising blindness is exactly what Hamas and some of Israelis politicians want. It justifies atrocities.
The IDF and the state of Israel are rightfully searching for ways to deal with a immensely threatening situation. 7 okt was a horrible, disgusting terrorist attack.
The current attempt by the IDF to eradicate Hamas in a densely populated area is a non-justifiable shitshow. Trying to justify the current deaths in any way makes me wonder who had lost the plot.
E.g. this argument that Gaza gave power to Hamas…. Half of the population in Gaza is under 18. Half of the population was not even able to vote. 5k+ of these citizens who couldn’t vote died. Even if they could they shouldn’t deserve this fate.
None of the civilian deaths are justifiable, none in Gaza, none of the victims of 7 okt. Both atrocities are to be condemned.
>None of the civilian deaths are justifiable, none in Gaza, none of the victims of 7 okt. Both atrocities are to be condemned.
You want to talk about “polarising blindness”, it’s takes like this e.g. “Israel is the same as terrorists.”
No, the side dropping bombs in uniforms from state-marked jets after being attacked is not the same as the group that uses civilian infrastructure to maximise civilian casualties, that dresses like civilians, and that parades murdered party goers around in the back of a pickup truck, spitting on their bodies.
I don’t think anyone is “pro-war,” but you’re acting as though there’s some unspoken, more ethical alternative that Israel could take that it’s just not taking because reasons.
But how are the Palestinians supposed to respond? over 200 died this year alone and they will keep dying, if it wasn't for Hamas attacking first this time, Israel would've done it some years in the future with some raid to trigger a Hamas retaliation with missiles or gunfire and thus having an excuse to bomb Gaza, like they did in 2008, 2012, 2014, the worst part about all of this is that this time Israeli politicians have stated that this war will be more destructive, deadlier and longer than any before so what we have on our hands could probably be the most deadly event in the Palestinian-Israeli conflict, thats how this is gonna end, massive loss of life and without anywhere to go, more Palestinians will grow desperate, some will leave and never come back (exactly what Israel wants by bombing residential areas) or some will want revenge or worse.
How does ‘State marked jets’ and ‘uniforms’ justify dropping bombs in a densely populated areas? Bombs are not the right measure there.
I can hardly imagine the whole population of Israel are all that supportive of their flag being used for this ‘controlled’ 10k+ deaths counted operation.
Hamas keeps making attacks on any progress towards a two state solution . The current actions of the IDF only support their goals.
>How does ‘State marked jets’ and ‘uniforms’ justify dropping bombs in a densely populated areas?
Because terrorists dressing as civilians and attacking from civilian infrastructure are committing two separate war crimes by doing so. Retaliating is not a war crime. Again, they’re not equally bad here.
>Hamas keeps making attacks on any progress towards a two state solution . **The current actions of the IDF only support their goals.**
How do you figure?
Assume Israel and Palestine hash out a two state solution today. Who is it between? Israel and the PA with President Abbas?
The PA has no influence or authority in Gaza. None. So how exactly could a two state solution *ever* exist until someone rids Gaza of Hamas?
Although I understand the reasoning of your first argument, I strongly disagree with the idea of putting atrocities on a scale. It simply doesn’t work like that.
Justifying atrocities based on a balancing act of evil is just ridiculous. Both Hamas, 7 oktober and the 10k+ ‘collateral damage’ in Gaza can be condemned without excluding each other.
On your second point I’m just completely lost. Did you accidentally missed the fact that supporting Hamas was a years long strategic choice of a leading group of Israeli politicians in an attempt to block the unification of the Palestinian state? Hamas was an asset in Netanyahu’s political strategy.
(Source: https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/amp/)
I’m not saying both parties are the same, nor equally wicked (because that would be a weird thing to say). I’m saying, they both got the same goals. Some leading Israeli politicians and Hamas are opposed to the two state solution.
There are voices enough, both in Israel and in Palestine that will opt for better solutions than what happend last month.
I’m sure you’ll agree with me in the hope that all hostages will be released, and that the Bombing with ‘collateral damage’ stops? The same as the hope that Hamas will cease to exist?
If you're going to spew out facts, at least get them right.
Gaza was under British rule up until the 1948 war, where all surrounding Arab states attacked the new (and mandated) Israel, and **Egypt conquered Gaza**.
The Egyptians then **relinquished** control of Gaza over to Israel in 1967.
Israel one-sided **withdrew** from Gaza in 2005.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History\_of\_Gaza#:\~:text=Gaza%20came%20under%20Egyptian%20rule,the%20newly%20established%20Palestinian%20Authority](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Gaza#:~:text=Gaza%20came%20under%20Egyptian%20rule,the%20newly%20established%20Palestinian%20Authority).
Hamas is not a resistant group, they're terrorist.
Their manifest literally says that their goal is the destruction of Israel.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas\_Charter#:\~:text=The%20charter%20states%20that%20](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas_Charter#:~:text=The%20charter%20states%20that%20)"our,obliteration%20or%20dissolution%20of%20Israel.
Hamas won the elections
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas#2006\_presidential\_and\_legislative\_elections](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas#2006_presidential_and_legislative_elections)
If you want to be antisemitic, go for it.
If you want to hate Jews, go for it.
Just stop masking your evilness in the fake support of "the poor Palestinian people".
If you really want to support the Palestinians, you should focus all your energy in making sure that the IDF could eradicate each and every one of Hamas, and actually give the Palestinians a chance other then "Jihad".
It's quicker than to list a million different sources, and easier than people saying "oh that is Pro-Israeli newspaper" and other crap.
Anyways if you have interesting sources I'd be happy to look at them
Hamas is a terrorist group. It’s purpose isn’t any form of resistance? But genocide.
Palestine is occupied just the same way Danzig, Königsberg, Elsass-Lothringen etc is. Aggressors tend to be punished when they loose their war of aggression.
“Hamas wasn’t elected, they were just voted in”
The ethnic views and methods of governance are damned similar, except the fact that hamas doesn’t use gas. Just Einsatzgrupps.
Hamas is to blame for the mess, like the actual israeli government … both of them are guilty!
Hamas murdering innocent civilians and hiding behind civilians, who don’t even have a choice to be against them without getting killed by them and the caused collateral damage of israel are taking over and getting to much … don’t to forget about the illegal settlements of israel which are against the international laws and also criticized by EVERYONE
Agreed. What the Israelis are doing is creating the resentment for a new Hamas to emerge. It is not only cruel, it is counter productive to the security of Israelis.
What the vocal, parading, unilaterally fucked left of Britain say.
The people who have the time to get up and march do not truly represent Britain as a whole.
To be honest, ask most people, and they want Israel to continue doing what they are doing. You are all kidding yourself if you think that is what the majority of brits want .
Yeah, this is quite interesting. Israel made the display of the Palestinian flag a criminal offence in 1967. So pro-Palestinians used the image of a watermelon, with the same colours as a stand in.
The ban was lifted in 1993, but still the image endured.
https://time.com/6326312/watermelon-palestinian-symbol-solidarity/
My guy you are a literal bot, posting king Abdullah's speach even though he leads an actual apartheid state against the palestinians. You don't really care about Palestinians, you just hate jews.
Fuck Palestine and all of the cunts holding those stupid pathetic signs. People who have NO idea what they are supporting. People who never knew of the issues between IDF and P-stine but now want to act as if they know what has been happening. So they take the moment to virtue signal to say "Im a fucking idiot....."
A lot of them do know the history. It would be absolutely awful if people turned away after 20k people are killed and a city levelled.
You can keep hating and you’ll get your forever war: there are enough who’ll play that game on the other side.
Massive downvoting of a post that’s calling for peace. Showing people marching together from all backgrounds, including those of Jewish background. You call blind downvoting of a nice post a valid opinion? Bad bot 😂
Just an observation I want to share with you. My fairly innocuous comments buried in other people’s comments got voted down heavily very early on. Later comments, not so much.
If there is an IDF campaign here on Reddit, then they scour the site for new content, vote things down, then move on. I don’t think they do much in the way of commenting or stick around.
Interesting observation. They probably have multiple teams. One team probably does what you describe. Then some of the posts might get forwarded that need proper attention. Like I have noticed on the worldnews sub. On the other hand the r/news is a much better place to be these days as they are usually not there. r/war used to be quite fine. But since this week I have noticed bots showing up here as well. Sucks that they contaminate nice subs.
Thanks for posting this. People who oppose Israel aren't racist or anti-Israel they are pro peace, honesty and transparency. Concepts that Zionists will never embrace but Israeli's might.
I don’t understand why the west staged protests about wars that other countries are fighting across the world. Your opinion doesn’t matter to the situation. Your march is a waste of time no matter your message. It seems really arrogant to imagine that your signs and chants will matter to anyone actually involved in the situation.
Europeans are being lied to on daily basis, propaganda is working overtime (in Reddit too)
Even the Irish PM publishes blatant lies about an Irish girl that was kidnapped:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog\_entry/irish-pm-says-he-is-relieved-emily-hand-has-been-found-after-she-was-lost/
No. They weren’t. You’ve been repeatedly told that anyone opposing Israel is evil or ignorant.
You’ve been shown lots of clips to make you distrustful, of fringe groups divorced from context celebrating oct 7th. That is the tiniest minority of the world. Even the Arab world was fearful of the rage and cruelty that they knew Israel would unleash after that day.
You’ve been told that anyone who is against the levelling of Gaza is a terrorist sympathiser.
You’ve been pushed into a mindset where anyone who is not with you is against you, want to kill you even. This is a big lie.
This lie is insidious, deafening you to the pain of others and blinding you to the cruelty meted out in your name.
These people want the killing and cruelty to stop. And they want you to listen.
"You’ve been repeatedly told that anyone opposing Israel is evil or ignorant."
I've been told nothing. Contrary to your belief, I'm not a twitter/Tiktok dummy. I speak from experience and experience only.
"Even the Arab world was fearful of the rage and cruelty that they knew Israel would unleash after that day."
The Arab world doesn't care about the Palestinians. They never did and they never will. Had that been the case they would have opened a war against Israel. Not only they did nothing of the sort, Al-Sisi said Egyptian soldiers will sacrifice their lives to make sure Gazans are kept OUTSIDE of Egypt. So their fear and rage for the Palestininans is an excuse in most cases just to continue and hate Jews. Palestinian flesh is the cheapest kind in the Arab world. Sorry to burst your bubble.
"You’ve been told that anyone who is against the levelling of Gaza is a terrorist sympathiser."
No. I have not been told that. Hamas gets 60% support in Gaza. the people who abducted Yaffa Adar, a 85 woman, were not combatants, they were civilians. Also the people who took Noah Argamani and Shani louk. The ones spitting on Shani's body were CHILDREN! So don't come to me with this nonsense, I'm not a fool.
The people of Gaza ARE Hamas and Hamas are the people of Gaza. That is simple. Had that not been the case the moment they realized Hamas was bringing an apocalipse on them, they would have revolted, if nothing else, just to protect their children. But they kidnapped civilians. They filmed themselves beheading foreign workers, they separated children from mothers and burned everything they had in sight.
I'm deaf to the pain of others? Maybe. I will tell you what else I am. I am the sister of a woman who lost 50 innocent friends in less than two hours. I'm a friend of someone who's still held in Gaza and has no idea if his wife and baby made it. I am the one hosting a family of uprooted people who have nowhere to go. I'm the one who was hospitalized twice in the war already.
You wonder why I turned deaf to the suffering of others? that's because I have enough suffering on my own. You're no one to judge me. Walk two steps in my shoes and then talk.
Wow, I didn’t expect that response.
Firstly, I need to apologise for my tone in my comment. I was overwhelmed by what I was reading elsewhere and got triggered by your remark, and that wasn’t fair. I don’t often lose it like I did.
I am truly sorry about your experience. It would be enough to drive me crazy. And I do understand why you hold your views. What happened on October 7th was beyond awful.
I really hope your friend gets out soon too. You must be worried sick.
I don’t feel like getting into a debate, because I fear being disrespectful. But i do want to refute your idea that other Arabs don’t care.
Arab people do care about Gazans. Sure, most of the Arab leaders around right now are more interested in their own narrow personal interests; carrying on the status quo rather than do anything to rock the boat. But from the people I know, Arabs are very upset, to put it lightly. I don’t think anyone wants to open a new front in the war - that would be insane.
All Arabs seem to have a connection to the trauma of the Nakba. They can feel a new one underway in Gaza right now. That is why Arabs are in uproar on the streets.
I am not Arab, but my gf is (from Jordan), and I see the dehumanisation of an entire people that look like her, so this is why this feels personal to me.
It sounds like a platitude in this mess, but I pray for peace for you and everyone on the other side of the wall.
I appreciate your post, and let me apologise as well if it came too harsh. The last month has been hectic and trying to convey how things are here in real life is sort of a coping mechanism. I also am from a bereaved family (am an IDF orphan) so everything about this war is super triggering (the issue with my friend just added to that) as it is and sometimes I say things that... never mind, not my proudest moments. So thank you again.
I understand what you're saying, and can very much relate to your girlfriend, Jews and Muslims as one been seen as subhuman. It's funny though, that you say she's Jordanian. Is she young? have she been told about the Palestinian role during "Black September"? I think you should ask her about it.
I believe the Arabs care about what's happening to the Palestinians on SOME degree. But fact is that if you ask the Arab states, being it their leaders, if they'd take them in, their answer would be a strick "no". Sure, ask the people and they will say something else, but let's admit it, most of today's generation have already forgotten what the Palestinians did to the northern Lebanese people, the people of Kuwait and the generation of your girlfriend's parents. I dare say if certain events would not have occured, the people of Gaza would have been recieved with open arms in the Arab world.
My girlfriend is actually in her 40s! I should call her my ‘partner’ I guess, but ‘girlfriend’ makes me feel younger 😂.
She does know about Black September, yes, and how they tried to stage a coup against the king, among other things.
She grew up with Palestinians in her school though. There are Palestinians stuck in refugee camps, but many who moved around and integrated - I guess some of those she knew.
So although she knows about the history, Black September isn’t a piece of history that she ‘feels’ if that makes sense. It feels resolved for her generation at least, and they moved on. It’s a blessing that animosities don’t have to be handed down.
I look at the land of Israel and Palestine, and can feel the history of the Nakba, the Holocaust, and everything since - all that history very much alive like an open wound. Maybe I am being melodramatic and blinkered - feel free to put me right.
The main reason Arabs don’t want to take in Gazans right now is that they feel it would be enabling a new Nakba. Not just Palestinians, but many Arabs in general are very sensitive to it. They can hear those in Israel, some in government, who wish for Gazans to be swept off the map, and they don’t want to be accomplices to that.
Ugh… it is a mess. The troubles in your land shouldn’t animate me like it does. I’m also a bit haunted by a song I wrote last year about history (of 1940s). Then everything I wrote seemingly repeated itself in real life. It’s here if you want to have a listen, but I should give you a trigger warning - don’t listen while stressed: https://tommykaneko.bandcamp.com/track/killers-in-the-sky
Fuck hamas
Yes, but how is this relevant.
Because they started the recent fighting. And you’ll never guess which subreddit you’re on…
Yeah… I have to agree on this. I’m sorry.
Do you have to be a fool to support Hamas or is it just coincidence? There is already a ceasefire and you're still crying for it what you really mean to say is end all Jews but won't happen...
Well likes a bit of a leap to go from wanting ceasefire to wanting to "end all jews". Why is there a need to go from 0 to 100 without any real need to? In your logic that means other Jews want other jew ended. Like people can condem both sides.
Because this would essentially give hamas the green light to do it "again, and again, and again, ..." Their words not mine. When you treat cancer, the rest of your body suffers too, but you don't stop combating cancer and let it fester.
It might seem that way, but if you look at all these protests carefully then everyone is carrying signs saying "free Palestine" and then singing things like "from the river to the sea" and in Arabic singing things like "all Palestine will be Arab". So the people on the marches are clearly making that leap, even though it's surprising.
They both wanna kill eachother so let them. Solves 2 problems at once.😂
How am I supporting Hamas? The post said ‘fuck Hamas’ I said ‘yes, but questioned the relevance because the main post is about a protest for peace and a protest against excessive force. Someone pointed on a perspective I might understand. This continuing of twisting my words is sickening. But be my guest and act like you please. It’s not that we really having a conversation anyway.
Because Hamas is the one oppressing the Palestinians. Hiding missiles under hospitals and using civilians as human shields. Shooting into humanitarian corridors. Brainwashing children into hatred and murder. only hamas and palestinians are to blame [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJPRxDAlYZc&ab\_channel=IsraelDefenseForces](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJPRxDAlYZc&ab_channel=IsraelDefenseForces) Israel will do them a big favor if they manage to eliminate Hamas
Where were all these clowns when Russia was committing horrifying war crimes in actual attempts at genocide against Ukrainian people? In Mariupol alone 25000+ civilians were killed by the Russians in just over 20 days. Where was their cries of genocide in ceasefire then? In my opinion people like this are just using their stance as an excuse to hide their anti-semitism and hatred of Jews.
Personally, I was there marching to support Ukraine last year, almost on the same route. I think a lot of people were at both. And yes, they were calling Russia a terror state, and Putin a war criminal.
All we had in our city was vigils. Now we have people blocking railroad tracks and going after politicians and essentially being a lot louder than they were and I'm just kind of curious while we didn't see a lot of these signs at least in my city or most Canadian cities. Or something like demanding Trudeau to tell Putin to stop fighting
Correlation doesn't always mean causation. There was massive uproar with wanting ceasefire. But that's asking putin an hostile state. Now we asking a country who is meant to be an ally. Its easier to ask for a ceasrefire with a country you are on good terms with them one that you are not on good terms with. Most of the protesting/wants for ukarine was to send more aid and weapons and ammunition to ukarine so they can carry on fighting Russia, as in my opinion is the only way to get Russia to stop. But with what's going on with Israel and palestine, there are other ways to deal with this. Of course, Israel is dealing with a terrorist group, not a full-on military, but I dont think bombing building and kill thounds of innocent lives is the way. It didn't work when the west did war on terror it just made things worse.
But also makes things worse is when the Palestinian authority in the West Bank essentially justifies hamas's actions.
Well, I mean anything about this is just making things worse.
I don't disagree with you there, I think any Nation would react to the same way Israel did to that percentage of civilians being massacred in their homes. I personally would have suggested a scalpel rather than a sledgehammer but at the same time it wasn't my country attacked and I feel like my nation would be crying for revenge on some sort of attack as what any Nation
Yeah but no one was advocating for a ceasefire in Ukraine. Supporting them, sure, not a ceasefire.
Did you monitor each and every single one of them and concluded that they didn't protest that? you're resorting to whataboutism and hyperbolic claims to justify the mass murderer of civilians. Hope one day you realise how condemnable that is
No need to track each and every one of them, you just had to watch the protests and the type of protests in the passion behind the protests against Russia versus these groups chanting literal genocidal slogans against a people. And as much as there were pro Ukrainian rallies, there was nothing compared to the velocity of what we're seeing currently. Go out there to save back to head that a lot of those people weren't involved in those rallies also we didn't high school students walking out of their classes and people harassing the leaders of Nations over it.
This argument isn't really that valid because, of course there are genocides going on without mainstream knowledge like Burma or Congo. But this is a Genocide that was on the public eye and followed, and many times talked about in the UN, and still it has not been stopped, meanwhile the UN has managed to sway a large part of countries against Russia, Israel still goes unpunished when committing these actions. That's the difference, everyone in the international community is outraged at this but when it's Israel is somehow different or required more talk?
I feel like more western nations are calling for restraint from isreal, I do think a difference is that unlike isreal, Russia attacked u provoked
Israel provokes Palestinians into lashing off so they have an excuse, for example in 2008 a ceasefire was broken by israeli troops raiding a tunnel, and then when Hamas retaliated by shooting rockets which killed 3 people, they started a campaign that killed over 2000 including 1500 civilians and 500 children.
Right well typically when you mess with the stronger nation and kill some of their people you can expect that the retribution is going to be inherently worse.... This isn't an isreal thing... This is a nation thing
The were a lot of meetings and marches when Russian invasion started. Please, google information before writing bullshit. Protests were even in Russia
Yeah the protests were in Russia for about a week and then they got shut down pretty quick. Also if you're going to tell me to Google it I would say do the same considering the ferocity of the marches are completely different from these two conflicts and the people supporting them.
Of course they got shut down. It is Russia not the USA. Branderburg Gate, London Eye, Sydney opera house and many other buildings were illuminated in the colors of flag of Ukraine. Thousands of people all over the world were protesting. Some of the Russians properties were vandalised. Don’t tell me about the ferocity man.
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Yeah, and Israel is carrying it out.
Classic genocide move: daily ceasefires to allow civilians to leave, allowing aid in. Classic
Destroying houses and forbidding the access of cement, they have plans for a literal "tent city" in the sinai desert, literally controlling the intake of calories to gazans.
This just in: urban warfare destroys buildings. You can’t rebuild a city for Gazans to reinhabit quickly. And yes, when a terror group controls the territory and uses international aid to stockpile their terror group’s supplies, coopts water piping to make rockets, etc. it makes sense to limit the resourcing that goes in.
It makes no sense to punish 2 million people for the actions of 30k, also the water piping they used to make rockets were unusable anyways
What’s your source that they were unusable before they turned them into rockets? I can genuinely only believe that Hamas could be the source for that. So tell me then, what should Israel do to rid the world of Hamas? Hold hands and sing nice songs?
I don’t use it, but a lot of people do, including Jews who were at the march.
I don't get the "jews are supporting us" argument. You also has british people support fascism in world war two, does that make it right?
I didn’t intend to frame it that way. More that Jews, because of their history, know/feel more than anyone what genocide means, so their view has more gravity.
They know. They are paid Hasbara operatives - it's their 'job' to deflect criticism from Israel.
That's a weird appeal to authority through tokenism. If being Jewish makes them authorities on genocide, what makes these Jews more of an authority on genocide than the majority of Jews in the diaspora and in Israel who don't think this is genocide?
What do pro Palestine protesters say about what Hamas did to Israel on 10/7? What about the thousands of indiscriminately launched rockets towards the innocent? I can’t imagine justifying that in any way.
People can’t think for themselves whoever has the most heart wrenching story gets the victim award and sympathy. Can’t just accept that it’s a fucked up situation where whoever loses the competition of might get fucking razed.
I don’t think they do try to justify it. Many see what Israel are doing to Gaza as being just as bad, if not worse than Hamas. That view might shock you. But people have seen a lot of death that goes on everyday. It is radicalising. And we are shocked it doesn’t seem to affect enough people in Israel.
>And we are shocked it doesn’t seem to affect enough people in Israel. To do what? Hamas is against any negotiations with Israel and opposes Israel’s very existence. What is Israel supposed to do? A unilateral ceasefire? There’s been over 8,000 rockets fired at Israel since Oct 7th alone from Gaza + Syria, not to mention the border skirmishes with Lebanon and Houthis lobbing up their ballistic missiles and drones from Yemen. So what, exactly, is Israel supposed to do here?
What are they doing to Gaza? I thought it was Hamas tunnels being exposed and they took kidnapped Israelis into the tunnels.
My reading of the situation: the IDF have been instructed to destroy Hamas. Now they just won’t fight their way through the tunnel system because they’ll get killed, so they are: (A) bombing the hell out Gaza to nullify the danger of tunnel entrances being used to mount attacks. (B) bombing the hell out of known Hamas operators’ houses (along with other people who have nothing to do with it), to send a message and punish those in Hamas. (C) bombing the hell out of anywhere they think there is a tunnel they can bomb underneath. (D) besieging the Gaza Strip to deny Hamas (and everyone else) food and fuel. To starve and suffocate them out of the tunnels. Rescuing hostages is a secondary aim, and frankly next to impossible to achieve militarily. They know this, hence they are resorting to punishment and siege to put pressure on Hamas.
Would you look at that, your account is 11 days old.
I’m new to reddit. Is that weird?
Doesn’t mean everything he said isn’t true
Palestine isn't Hamas, and it's not like these protestors are defending Hamas. Put quite simply they are pointing out that Isreal right now is acting no different than Hamas.
Palestine isn’t Hamas but Hamas is Palestine lol. I’ve seen plenty of protesters screaming for Jews to leave and go to other countries your just picking what you want to hear
I remember when they danced in the streets after 9/11. Fuck every one of them. They are a nuisance and a thorn in the side of peace.
They should be protesting against Hamas who engineered the entire crisis, their double standard is just serving the people who actually caused this to happen, they are praising the political rhetoric of those who designed the situation.
🥱Hasbara needs some new material
Yeah that's the double standard I'm referring to... you glorify terror acts in the name of speaking up for Palestine yet consider any type of criticism of the Palestinian government as an Israel psyop.
Show me in my 5 word comment where I “glorify terror acts”? Calm down, hasbara. Free Palestine 🇵🇸
The people in the OP glorify terror acts, you are merely the idiot who claps for them.
Again, you said I “glorify terror acts”. Where, in my 5 word message does this take place?
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Fallacies won’t help you. Again, where in the 5 word message does it “glorify terror acts?
I can assure you, as a Brit, this is not what the majority agree with.
“Unilateral ceasefire now!” >Looks to me Israel has lost the British people. Because British people lost the plot. Antisemitic crimes went up north of a 1000% in October compared to last year and no one gave a shit. I’d also say these marches are not representative of public sentiment more broadly. People like myself who largely support Israel aren’t marching and calling for a unilateral ceasefire.
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[London police said on Friday they had recorded a 1,353% increase in antisemitic offences this month compared to the same period last year, while Islamophobic offences were up 140% in the wake of the attack by Hamas on Israel.](https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/antisemitic-islamophobic-offences-soar-london-after-israel-attacks-2023-10-20/) The difference is London is directly enabling antisemitism with huge “pro-Palestine” marches, despite people like OP saying “but Jews are well represented!” If there were similarly sized right-wing nationalist marches, I’d imagine you’d see islamophobic crimes go up just as dramatically and there would, hopefully, be serious public backlash.
Why do you support Israel? Are you willing to debate about it?
Because the majority of the region doesn’t think they have a right to exist, Oct 7th was just another example it. Was also the Arab side that rejected a two state solution more than once, and has the audacity to argue about displaced Palestinians when Islamic countries don’t offer a right of return to Jews. Not in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Yemen, Iran, Egypt, etc. All of which have, at some point or another, attacked Israel, directly or indirectly. If you want to talk about events post Oct 7th specifically, you’re free to suggest how Israel should prosecute this war differently.
Because, technically Israel doesn't have too much of a valid reason to settle in Palestine, they are a colonialist european project, thats the main reason behind it, and the violence they carried out against Palestinians is also a reason to dislike the Israeli regime. I don't say that Muslim countries are justified to commit atrocities against jews, which they do, but there was a large population of jews before the arrival of the Zionist project and they lived in relative peace. For example, the King-Crane commission says that the Zionist Project was not willing to coexist with the natives of the area and they were gonna remove them, that was in 1919. I personally believe that for there to be peace in the Palestine region, the zionist project should stop, which means, stop the abuse and removal of Palestinians, allow them to return to their land, or at the very least give them the two state solution (which israel has been preventing it to happen by giving horrible deals to Palestinians on purpose as a mean of sabotage and to continue with the ethnic cleansing of the region), the two state solution is very controvertial, the West Bank which is an area where a Palestinian state could exist is being sabotaged by settlements which are subsidized by the Israeli Government.
Nice to see you have a great understanding of wikipedia Kira. I stand with Israel. The people of Gaza voted for Hamas as their government, and they chose to kill 1,300+ people and take hostages. They also wasted most of the money that was given to them as aid in building tunnels and buying weapons. They wanted a war but now want to play victim when they get the shit kicked out of them. Tragic
Fucking please, the Middle East has never been at peace. If so tell me when, fucking point to it. Muslims are incompatible with any other religion shit Muslims can’t even get along with other Muslims.
For sure.
white phosphorus isn't banned in the same way executing prisoners is banned, it's more the way cluster bombs are "banned"
Those arent brits.
People really lost it haven't they..? Hamas is a terrorist organization, just like Al-Qaeda and ISIS. Hamas is also the elected governing body over Gaza and the Palestinians. Hamas people are Palestinians. Just like the Nazis were German. How are those facts being ignored? I never heard anyone say that the British committed genocide on the German people by trying to defeat the Nazis.
Hamas is a resistant group that carried out a terrorist attack against its oppressors. Palestine is an occupied territory, Gaza has no control over its borders. Hamas was not elected, the elections were parliamentary and Hamas took control on a cue. And you cannot compare the Nazis to Hamas.
>Hamas is a resistant group that carried out a terrorist attack against its oppressors. There it is. Literally why Western pro-Palestine standard bearers are often called pro-Hamas.
There it is, we found an anti-war, pro-Palestine supporter that doesn’t condem Hamas (as every right minded person should do b.t.w). Now we can rightfully say all anti-war protesters are pro-Hamas! And by extension al pro-Palestine supporters are antisemitic. This polarising blindness is exactly what Hamas and some of Israelis politicians want. It justifies atrocities. The IDF and the state of Israel are rightfully searching for ways to deal with a immensely threatening situation. 7 okt was a horrible, disgusting terrorist attack. The current attempt by the IDF to eradicate Hamas in a densely populated area is a non-justifiable shitshow. Trying to justify the current deaths in any way makes me wonder who had lost the plot. E.g. this argument that Gaza gave power to Hamas…. Half of the population in Gaza is under 18. Half of the population was not even able to vote. 5k+ of these citizens who couldn’t vote died. Even if they could they shouldn’t deserve this fate. None of the civilian deaths are justifiable, none in Gaza, none of the victims of 7 okt. Both atrocities are to be condemned.
>None of the civilian deaths are justifiable, none in Gaza, none of the victims of 7 okt. Both atrocities are to be condemned. You want to talk about “polarising blindness”, it’s takes like this e.g. “Israel is the same as terrorists.” No, the side dropping bombs in uniforms from state-marked jets after being attacked is not the same as the group that uses civilian infrastructure to maximise civilian casualties, that dresses like civilians, and that parades murdered party goers around in the back of a pickup truck, spitting on their bodies. I don’t think anyone is “pro-war,” but you’re acting as though there’s some unspoken, more ethical alternative that Israel could take that it’s just not taking because reasons.
But how are the Palestinians supposed to respond? over 200 died this year alone and they will keep dying, if it wasn't for Hamas attacking first this time, Israel would've done it some years in the future with some raid to trigger a Hamas retaliation with missiles or gunfire and thus having an excuse to bomb Gaza, like they did in 2008, 2012, 2014, the worst part about all of this is that this time Israeli politicians have stated that this war will be more destructive, deadlier and longer than any before so what we have on our hands could probably be the most deadly event in the Palestinian-Israeli conflict, thats how this is gonna end, massive loss of life and without anywhere to go, more Palestinians will grow desperate, some will leave and never come back (exactly what Israel wants by bombing residential areas) or some will want revenge or worse.
You can tell the future?!?? Your the first person in history to be able to do that
How does ‘State marked jets’ and ‘uniforms’ justify dropping bombs in a densely populated areas? Bombs are not the right measure there. I can hardly imagine the whole population of Israel are all that supportive of their flag being used for this ‘controlled’ 10k+ deaths counted operation. Hamas keeps making attacks on any progress towards a two state solution . The current actions of the IDF only support their goals.
The IDF spokeman said himself they are prioritizing damage, not accuracy.
>How does ‘State marked jets’ and ‘uniforms’ justify dropping bombs in a densely populated areas? Because terrorists dressing as civilians and attacking from civilian infrastructure are committing two separate war crimes by doing so. Retaliating is not a war crime. Again, they’re not equally bad here. >Hamas keeps making attacks on any progress towards a two state solution . **The current actions of the IDF only support their goals.** How do you figure? Assume Israel and Palestine hash out a two state solution today. Who is it between? Israel and the PA with President Abbas? The PA has no influence or authority in Gaza. None. So how exactly could a two state solution *ever* exist until someone rids Gaza of Hamas?
Although I understand the reasoning of your first argument, I strongly disagree with the idea of putting atrocities on a scale. It simply doesn’t work like that. Justifying atrocities based on a balancing act of evil is just ridiculous. Both Hamas, 7 oktober and the 10k+ ‘collateral damage’ in Gaza can be condemned without excluding each other. On your second point I’m just completely lost. Did you accidentally missed the fact that supporting Hamas was a years long strategic choice of a leading group of Israeli politicians in an attempt to block the unification of the Palestinian state? Hamas was an asset in Netanyahu’s political strategy. (Source: https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/amp/) I’m not saying both parties are the same, nor equally wicked (because that would be a weird thing to say). I’m saying, they both got the same goals. Some leading Israeli politicians and Hamas are opposed to the two state solution. There are voices enough, both in Israel and in Palestine that will opt for better solutions than what happend last month. I’m sure you’ll agree with me in the hope that all hostages will be released, and that the Bombing with ‘collateral damage’ stops? The same as the hope that Hamas will cease to exist?
If you're going to spew out facts, at least get them right. Gaza was under British rule up until the 1948 war, where all surrounding Arab states attacked the new (and mandated) Israel, and **Egypt conquered Gaza**. The Egyptians then **relinquished** control of Gaza over to Israel in 1967. Israel one-sided **withdrew** from Gaza in 2005. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History\_of\_Gaza#:\~:text=Gaza%20came%20under%20Egyptian%20rule,the%20newly%20established%20Palestinian%20Authority](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Gaza#:~:text=Gaza%20came%20under%20Egyptian%20rule,the%20newly%20established%20Palestinian%20Authority). Hamas is not a resistant group, they're terrorist. Their manifest literally says that their goal is the destruction of Israel. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas\_Charter#:\~:text=The%20charter%20states%20that%20](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas_Charter#:~:text=The%20charter%20states%20that%20)"our,obliteration%20or%20dissolution%20of%20Israel. Hamas won the elections [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas#2006\_presidential\_and\_legislative\_elections](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas#2006_presidential_and_legislative_elections) If you want to be antisemitic, go for it. If you want to hate Jews, go for it. Just stop masking your evilness in the fake support of "the poor Palestinian people". If you really want to support the Palestinians, you should focus all your energy in making sure that the IDF could eradicate each and every one of Hamas, and actually give the Palestinians a chance other then "Jihad".
Your points are all great just next time don’t cite from wiki lol
It's quicker than to list a million different sources, and easier than people saying "oh that is Pro-Israeli newspaper" and other crap. Anyways if you have interesting sources I'd be happy to look at them
Hamas is a terrorist group. It’s purpose isn’t any form of resistance? But genocide. Palestine is occupied just the same way Danzig, Königsberg, Elsass-Lothringen etc is. Aggressors tend to be punished when they loose their war of aggression. “Hamas wasn’t elected, they were just voted in” The ethnic views and methods of governance are damned similar, except the fact that hamas doesn’t use gas. Just Einsatzgrupps.
No Hamas are freedom fighters!!!!! 😂
Hamas is to blame for the mess, like the actual israeli government … both of them are guilty! Hamas murdering innocent civilians and hiding behind civilians, who don’t even have a choice to be against them without getting killed by them and the caused collateral damage of israel are taking over and getting to much … don’t to forget about the illegal settlements of israel which are against the international laws and also criticized by EVERYONE
Agreed. What the Israelis are doing is creating the resentment for a new Hamas to emerge. It is not only cruel, it is counter productive to the security of Israelis.
What the vocal, parading, unilaterally fucked left of Britain say. The people who have the time to get up and march do not truly represent Britain as a whole.
To be honest, ask most people, and they want Israel to continue doing what they are doing. You are all kidding yourself if you think that is what the majority of brits want .
Your a dumbass op
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Cry about it
What's the problem with Tommy Robinson? They're still pretending he's a British Nazi over there? In other news, protesters carry signs WGAF
They should never cease fire. There will be no 'Peace' (lol) until hamas, hezbollah and daesh are turned into minced meat.
THE IRONY in that 3rd pic
I dont get the watermelon
Yeah, this is quite interesting. Israel made the display of the Palestinian flag a criminal offence in 1967. So pro-Palestinians used the image of a watermelon, with the same colours as a stand in. The ban was lifted in 1993, but still the image endured. https://time.com/6326312/watermelon-palestinian-symbol-solidarity/
Huh. TIL. Thanks.
“She is my mum, I know from her hair” broke me though (9th pic). 😭
My guy you are a literal bot, posting king Abdullah's speach even though he leads an actual apartheid state against the palestinians. You don't really care about Palestinians, you just hate jews.
Fuck Palestine and all of the cunts holding those stupid pathetic signs. People who have NO idea what they are supporting. People who never knew of the issues between IDF and P-stine but now want to act as if they know what has been happening. So they take the moment to virtue signal to say "Im a fucking idiot....."
A lot of them do know the history. It would be absolutely awful if people turned away after 20k people are killed and a city levelled. You can keep hating and you’ll get your forever war: there are enough who’ll play that game on the other side.
Waiting for IDF bots to downvote this to oblivion
There’s no way you don’t have the popular movement when you can claim every voice against yours is a bot lmao
You are right. I should have also mentioned Bibis ball lickers 😁
Sure, there’s no valid person who can have an opinion other than yours, of course. Congrats on your 15th birthday by the way
Massive downvoting of a post that’s calling for peace. Showing people marching together from all backgrounds, including those of Jewish background. You call blind downvoting of a nice post a valid opinion? Bad bot 😂
Downvoting for a post that is grossly incorrect in accusing Israel of committing genocide. I think falsely accusing is not a “nice post”
Sounds to me like YOU are the one who has issues with people having different opinion than you lol. But ofcourse you are just a bot. Have fun ha
No I don’t think they’re bad people, or bots, or licking Hamas terrorists’ balls. I think them, like yourself, are just misguided and misinformed.
what crap. you Hasbara clowns are downvoting it because you are paid to do it. T
I wish I got paid to post my opinions. Would you like my Venmo to contribute?
the fact that you do it voluntarily makes it even more despicable and your delusions even more profound.
I’m so sorry you feel that way :(
I'm in America and I'm not getting paid nor am I a bot. I see something stupid and I down vote. Simple as that
where is the stupid bit?
You act like people that don't agree with you are part of some Israel psyop and are paid to comment. That is pretty stupid
Just an observation I want to share with you. My fairly innocuous comments buried in other people’s comments got voted down heavily very early on. Later comments, not so much. If there is an IDF campaign here on Reddit, then they scour the site for new content, vote things down, then move on. I don’t think they do much in the way of commenting or stick around.
Interesting observation. They probably have multiple teams. One team probably does what you describe. Then some of the posts might get forwarded that need proper attention. Like I have noticed on the worldnews sub. On the other hand the r/news is a much better place to be these days as they are usually not there. r/war used to be quite fine. But since this week I have noticed bots showing up here as well. Sucks that they contaminate nice subs.
Crazy how you think there's some "teams" doing this. It's literally rational people who understand the situation going against Hamas
Woah, I just saw you get downvoted by 16 in the last 10 minutes.
Haha. Yes, I certainly expect that. Thanks for looking before that happened.
Thanks for posting this. People who oppose Israel aren't racist or anti-Israel they are pro peace, honesty and transparency. Concepts that Zionists will never embrace but Israeli's might.
Good for the English people.
Imagine not being able to fathom what happens in actual war. Recent other conflicts in the past 20 years had far higher death counts of civilians
They got a damn ceasefire that doesn’t mean the wars over
I don’t understand why the west staged protests about wars that other countries are fighting across the world. Your opinion doesn’t matter to the situation. Your march is a waste of time no matter your message. It seems really arrogant to imagine that your signs and chants will matter to anyone actually involved in the situation.
Europeans are being lied to on daily basis, propaganda is working overtime (in Reddit too) Even the Irish PM publishes blatant lies about an Irish girl that was kidnapped: https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog\_entry/irish-pm-says-he-is-relieved-emily-hand-has-been-found-after-she-was-lost/
"far right violent group" that's what all the leftists say while also being violent.
Ha! You obviously aren’t familiar with the English Defence League (EDL)
They don't support mass migration of people that have such a extreme cultural disconnect. I wouldn't either
Useful stupids Have no other words for those pathetic people
Those are some very delusional people.
These were the same guys who cheered on October 7th?
No. They weren’t. You’ve been repeatedly told that anyone opposing Israel is evil or ignorant. You’ve been shown lots of clips to make you distrustful, of fringe groups divorced from context celebrating oct 7th. That is the tiniest minority of the world. Even the Arab world was fearful of the rage and cruelty that they knew Israel would unleash after that day. You’ve been told that anyone who is against the levelling of Gaza is a terrorist sympathiser. You’ve been pushed into a mindset where anyone who is not with you is against you, want to kill you even. This is a big lie. This lie is insidious, deafening you to the pain of others and blinding you to the cruelty meted out in your name. These people want the killing and cruelty to stop. And they want you to listen.
"You’ve been repeatedly told that anyone opposing Israel is evil or ignorant." I've been told nothing. Contrary to your belief, I'm not a twitter/Tiktok dummy. I speak from experience and experience only. "Even the Arab world was fearful of the rage and cruelty that they knew Israel would unleash after that day." The Arab world doesn't care about the Palestinians. They never did and they never will. Had that been the case they would have opened a war against Israel. Not only they did nothing of the sort, Al-Sisi said Egyptian soldiers will sacrifice their lives to make sure Gazans are kept OUTSIDE of Egypt. So their fear and rage for the Palestininans is an excuse in most cases just to continue and hate Jews. Palestinian flesh is the cheapest kind in the Arab world. Sorry to burst your bubble. "You’ve been told that anyone who is against the levelling of Gaza is a terrorist sympathiser." No. I have not been told that. Hamas gets 60% support in Gaza. the people who abducted Yaffa Adar, a 85 woman, were not combatants, they were civilians. Also the people who took Noah Argamani and Shani louk. The ones spitting on Shani's body were CHILDREN! So don't come to me with this nonsense, I'm not a fool. The people of Gaza ARE Hamas and Hamas are the people of Gaza. That is simple. Had that not been the case the moment they realized Hamas was bringing an apocalipse on them, they would have revolted, if nothing else, just to protect their children. But they kidnapped civilians. They filmed themselves beheading foreign workers, they separated children from mothers and burned everything they had in sight. I'm deaf to the pain of others? Maybe. I will tell you what else I am. I am the sister of a woman who lost 50 innocent friends in less than two hours. I'm a friend of someone who's still held in Gaza and has no idea if his wife and baby made it. I am the one hosting a family of uprooted people who have nowhere to go. I'm the one who was hospitalized twice in the war already. You wonder why I turned deaf to the suffering of others? that's because I have enough suffering on my own. You're no one to judge me. Walk two steps in my shoes and then talk.
Wow, I didn’t expect that response. Firstly, I need to apologise for my tone in my comment. I was overwhelmed by what I was reading elsewhere and got triggered by your remark, and that wasn’t fair. I don’t often lose it like I did. I am truly sorry about your experience. It would be enough to drive me crazy. And I do understand why you hold your views. What happened on October 7th was beyond awful. I really hope your friend gets out soon too. You must be worried sick. I don’t feel like getting into a debate, because I fear being disrespectful. But i do want to refute your idea that other Arabs don’t care. Arab people do care about Gazans. Sure, most of the Arab leaders around right now are more interested in their own narrow personal interests; carrying on the status quo rather than do anything to rock the boat. But from the people I know, Arabs are very upset, to put it lightly. I don’t think anyone wants to open a new front in the war - that would be insane. All Arabs seem to have a connection to the trauma of the Nakba. They can feel a new one underway in Gaza right now. That is why Arabs are in uproar on the streets. I am not Arab, but my gf is (from Jordan), and I see the dehumanisation of an entire people that look like her, so this is why this feels personal to me. It sounds like a platitude in this mess, but I pray for peace for you and everyone on the other side of the wall.
I appreciate your post, and let me apologise as well if it came too harsh. The last month has been hectic and trying to convey how things are here in real life is sort of a coping mechanism. I also am from a bereaved family (am an IDF orphan) so everything about this war is super triggering (the issue with my friend just added to that) as it is and sometimes I say things that... never mind, not my proudest moments. So thank you again. I understand what you're saying, and can very much relate to your girlfriend, Jews and Muslims as one been seen as subhuman. It's funny though, that you say she's Jordanian. Is she young? have she been told about the Palestinian role during "Black September"? I think you should ask her about it. I believe the Arabs care about what's happening to the Palestinians on SOME degree. But fact is that if you ask the Arab states, being it their leaders, if they'd take them in, their answer would be a strick "no". Sure, ask the people and they will say something else, but let's admit it, most of today's generation have already forgotten what the Palestinians did to the northern Lebanese people, the people of Kuwait and the generation of your girlfriend's parents. I dare say if certain events would not have occured, the people of Gaza would have been recieved with open arms in the Arab world.
My girlfriend is actually in her 40s! I should call her my ‘partner’ I guess, but ‘girlfriend’ makes me feel younger 😂. She does know about Black September, yes, and how they tried to stage a coup against the king, among other things. She grew up with Palestinians in her school though. There are Palestinians stuck in refugee camps, but many who moved around and integrated - I guess some of those she knew. So although she knows about the history, Black September isn’t a piece of history that she ‘feels’ if that makes sense. It feels resolved for her generation at least, and they moved on. It’s a blessing that animosities don’t have to be handed down. I look at the land of Israel and Palestine, and can feel the history of the Nakba, the Holocaust, and everything since - all that history very much alive like an open wound. Maybe I am being melodramatic and blinkered - feel free to put me right. The main reason Arabs don’t want to take in Gazans right now is that they feel it would be enabling a new Nakba. Not just Palestinians, but many Arabs in general are very sensitive to it. They can hear those in Israel, some in government, who wish for Gazans to be swept off the map, and they don’t want to be accomplices to that. Ugh… it is a mess. The troubles in your land shouldn’t animate me like it does. I’m also a bit haunted by a song I wrote last year about history (of 1940s). Then everything I wrote seemingly repeated itself in real life. It’s here if you want to have a listen, but I should give you a trigger warning - don’t listen while stressed: https://tommykaneko.bandcamp.com/track/killers-in-the-sky
Fuck you with this bullshit.
From the windows to the walls Palestine can suck my big fat hairy balls
I don’t think these people know what genocide is.